How bad is Twilight really?

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

"If Twilight is the worst book you've ever read, I don't think you have read that many books" _James Tullos (2019) This goes right to my notebook of memorable quotes

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Or you just read the right one by luck.

[@henriettaanneeles490]

That is honestly true

[@henriettaanneeles490]

...Or you could have just made sure to surround yourself with good literature . Good quote, but it needs to be more complete

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

@@henriettaanneeles490 that's kind of a snobby attitude, only surround youself with good literature... I mean, most of the time you don't gonna know if a book is good or not until you read it (critics aren't enterely trustworthy and even some "literary classics" have more value for it's historic significance that for it's artistic quallity) ... After all, if we take Sturgeon's Law for true, having read only good books means you have read only, at best, 1% of all what literature has to offer

[@spacewinter]

I've read worse books than twilight, but that's because my friends give terrible reccomendations.

[@trevorgarey5646]

Never once in my entire life have I heard a single person say they expected Twilight to be like Harry Potter but with vampires.

[@jhalfbone9009]

Same! Maybe it's a demographic thing? When it became popular where I live, everyone I knew understood it for what it was- a vampire romance series. I only read it because I was going through a vampire kick and had very much enjoyed Cirque du Freak. I wanted to try a light read vampire romance series, but it turns out I'm just not that into romance novels lol

[@jamilelucato4230]

I'm from Brazil and when the last twilight movie came out, everyone was like "oh it's another battle of Hogwarts". So maybe just here, but a lot of people compared the battles of the movies when the movie came out

[@conserztasfia0078]

Comparing harry potter with Twilight us luke comparing lion with a rat But pretty sure it would have been better and more famous if Twilight was like harry potter like vampire school vampire magic and stuff

[@TupocalypseShakur]

I just thought it was going to about a vampire society

[@cha0sxiii63]

Honestly, that _was_ the impression I got the first time I saw the trailer for it, but shortly after I got a gut feeling that it wasn't. Fortunately, I listened to my instincts and passed on it when it came out.

[@YukitsuTimes]

"It didn't end civilization." feels like high praise for something in 2020.

[@antimatter175]

Underated comment lmao

[@-NavedKhan]

Hmm.

[@ChrisRitty]

Yes because some shitty virus that can’t even kill normal healthy people is civilization ending. Imagine if we lived during a time with an actual plague, you guys would freak the fuck out

[@NobleRaider2747]

@@ChrisRitty ah yes, covid can't kill people yeah sure buddy

[@ChrisRitty]

@@NobleRaider2747 read my comment “buddy”

[@egg9206]

kristen stewart was an amazing actor in twilight. she portrayed bella exactly as she was in the books: blank, unemotive, and awkward as all hell

[@katytyrell406]

That’s literally not true. Bella is Very emotional in the books

[@cassielynn1175]

You’ve clearly never read the books, the movie version of Bella was nothing compared to the books

[@tsuki3752]

the above commenters are right. kristen stewart made bella a lot more likeable than she was in the books. but maybe that’s because we didn’t have to hear every single one of her thoughts. lol

[@Priya-cm3tr]

No she didn't. When I read the books I can always imagine others in the movies as those characters except for Bella and Jacob. Bella's Internal dialogue and tone didn't translate to the movies at all.

[@Cruizinelli12]

The book version of Bella was a hell of a lot more shallow than the movie version. In the book, she was constantly judging her new friends for their appearances, and how they all (for some reason), treated her like she was the most special, beautiful girl in the world. They were nothing but nice and accepting towards her from day one, and she saw them as little more than accessories once sparkles entered her life.

[@LandelRey]

"Aro laughed, "Ha, ha, ha", he giggled." -Stephenie Meyer, new moon

[@FunnyFany]

Wait, holy shit. Is that quote from Dipper Goes to Taco Bell a god damn Twilight reference?!?! I'm having an anneurysm.

[@nessyness5447]

i am now sure 100% that michael sheen made that ridiculous laugh for aro intentionally.

[@annie-dx7zg]

Lmao Oml

[@christiegreenwood2642]

@@nessyness5447 Michael Sheen is a cookie. He totally did that on purpose.

[@cassandra.wladyslava]

It’s clear he had fun/didn’t give a fuck, lol. I love his New Moon interview.

[@maximusmedia8412]

Not a very big fan of the introduction song, but it doesn’t take up a big length of time

[@derAlphabet]

I'd rather have it longer than not at all.

[@FraserSouris]

r/increasinglyverbose

[@blazrrr-4082]

Well actually, I quite like the introduction song! I do think it's a tad long though.

[@theaceofspace6110]

I love that song

[@bambi20082148]

i hate it the first second but the second and third are good tier

[@notsteve5927]

I think that vampires are so romanticized in modern culture that if they actually existed, there would be no point in hiding for them, as they would gather a personality cult around their personas like some K-POP stars, with teenage girls fainting and begging to turn them or at least suck their blood. That is actually a great book idea for someone who wants to write an ironic “hidden vampire world” fiction, where vampires come out in the spotlight and bask in fame.

[@MasticinaAkicta]

There was Lestat having that rockband of his... "come out come out wherever you are" But you are right, the way the vampire stories/myth is used these days they are just sex gods.

[@robinhoodproductions5102]

I'm a guy and honestly I'd love to join a big tiddies vampire cult

[@fairycat23]

@@robinhoodproductions5102 But what if the vampires were rock-hard like the Meyerpires? Would vampire tiddies also be hard? Can vampire tiddies jiggle?

[@justnick200]

That's True Blood

[@Lavapulse]

@@justnick200 Came here to say the same thing; basically the Sookie Stackhouse books/True Blood.

[@Ana-rt6dg]

honestly, I can tell you that my mom is a grown woman and she can't tell the difference between the behavior in fifty shades and real life; she thinks having someone tracking your location through your phone is just as "romantic" as in the books. So, yeah... no, I don't think being an adult means you can separate things, and being a teenager means you have no idea regarding what's abusive and will just reproduce any behavior or ideology you see anywhere. It's quite sad when people think that just because you're a teen you have no criticism towards the things you read, and just because you're an adult the content you consume can't influence you in concerning ways.

[@lesteryaytrippy7282]

Ah yes, I agree. I haven't read either volumes, except only Twilight the book and...couldn't continue because the diction and pacing was the one I realized was not very good, but I digress. Yes, I guess that kind of thinking is their fantasy, wanting to be desired, but the different nuances in a stalker vs. perhaps a concerned person who genuinely had to follow you may fly off their radars unnoticed or ignored.

[@rocketqueen2470]

@Hannah Smith oh god. she likes the Percy Jackson movies? OH NO

[@yashveersingh6857]

loooooool

[@flip.flap.]

I can tell you that I read the Twilight saga when I was 10 or 11, and so did my sister and several of our friends, so I think his point about it painting a bad picture for impressionable kids is still very valid. Also, there can be a world of difference in the maturity/impressionableness of a person at age 13 versus at age 18, and "teenager" can refer to either, so that's something to consider.

Yes, but when is about grown women they probably already had that mentality. Teenagers adquire it

[@itskatleo]

As someone who was in high school when Twilight was first published, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with the idea that Twilight wasn't big until the movies came along. That book was everywhere.

[@ca-ke9493]

I read twilight in 2008 cos it was so talked about in my primary school. So many people had the entire series (I borrowed mine from a guy classmate, btw). I was 11, I think gender wasnt that big of a deal yet lol, there wasn't an idea of girly books i mean my guy classmates openly read twilight and cathy cassidy those were the times man.

[@noelbernabe8704]

The one thing I think people need to give Twilight credit for is that it was like the equivalent of a literary gateway drug. It got a lot of kids who normally don't read to pit it up. Even if it's not a literary masterpice by any stretch of the imagine, it still got a lot of people to pick up a book and read. And that was worth it's weight in gold.

[@machirim2805]

@@noelbernabe8704 Considering that we now live with TikTok and other 20 second mindless entertainment that drastically decrease attention spans, I’m more grateful for these YA novels, as cheesy and ridiculous as they are.

[@matthewradabaugh1635]

It was big in its demographic. It became a harry potter-esque phenomenon with the movies.

[@rainingcomplete3018]

I’m also gonna disagree with people misunderstanding the marketing.

[@elektra81516]

"you nicknamed my daughter after the Loch Ness monster?" Is this meant to be a comedy? I'm sure it's not but that one seemed like a joke.

[@anushribhende1086]

I'm assuming that her attacking Jacob was the joke 😕 Also I don't get why it was a big deal, Nessie is a cute enough nickname

[@royalarmy2547]

@@anushribhende1086 look at it like this how would feel if someone called your child a monster I'd be mad as hell to 😂😂

[@alexradice8163]

@@royalarmy2547 learn English first. No one thinks of "Nessie" as a monster

[@royalarmy2547]

@@alexradice8163 I've never been outside the line of America I don't know any other languages except for English question what language am I speaking to you in 💁 because I don't think you fully understand what I meant

[@alexradice8163]

@@royalarmy2547 oh so you're just a little kid or something

[@samuelbarber6177]

With some rewriting this could be really good. A young woman moves in with her father in a small town gripped in the midst of a conflict between supernatural monsters? Seriously, this could be a great book.

[@egg9206]

i saw someone argue once that it could be great with a genre switch-instead of supernatural romance, it could become urban horror and really lean into the scarier aspects of the story. would’ve whipped ass

[@briandaaranda9735]

Not to mention that Edward is the least interesting of the Cullens. A mind reader? A soldier in the vampire civil war? A bride to be who killed her abusers? Sign me up for a deeper exploration of those stories! For crying out loud, we never even get what Esme's "power" is. I want to know!

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

kinda sounds like shikki

[@HelghastStalker]

@@egg9206 I heard someone once come up with the premise that, what if the Cullen clan was protecting the town, and Charlie Swan as the Chief of Police was also this secretly badass Vampire Hunter? That would have been a story worth looking at.

[@tsuki3752]

@@briandaaranda9735 isn’t edward the mind reader? or am i reading your comment wrong lol. he’s definitely interesting but we get him at the end of his character development meanwhile we see the others (mostly rosalie and jasper) in the midst of theirs.

[@renaultr3565]

But if I don't loudly hate something how will I validate my existence!?

[@thesneakymemedealer5071]

short answer: YOU CAN'T long answer: it's up to you to find meaning in your life no one else can if thats religion, work, or loudly hate something on the internet go right ahead. but PLEASE don't actively go out and hurt people.

[@Gaburierairuze]

Lol people really be like that

[@557deadpool]

Nice strawman

[@JT044-iz1cv]

But if I dont make shitty comments insulting everyone who hates my crappy novel series of sparkling emo vampire shits,how will I validate my existance and crappy tastes?!

[@rayray2528]

@@JT044-iz1cv lol...yes

[@imnothere6696]

She doesnt even look happy when shes getting married.

[@saphirawinters7028]

She has that face that screams "Oh, I'm getting married, sucks."

[@skyt5264]

I mean, her and Robert Pattinson (guy who plays Edward ) did break up due to her cheating before they did the scene. Imagine acting like you're marrying your ex. Wouldn't be fun for anyone.

[@ayezanawaz9999]

@@skyt5264 she was not supposed to play herself she was supposed to play bella

[@skyt5264]

@@ayezanawaz9999 Obviously, but their still people at the end of the day. Couldn't imagine the emotions of acting as if you were getting married to a recent ex.

[@BlueUnicorn1265]

Ok not to be "that" kind of annoying person, but I am currently re-reading eclipse and Bella just doesn't want to get married. She I guess doesn't believe in the promise of ever after that marriage means and is only marrying Edward in order for him to turn her into a vampire and have sex with her. Plus she didn't want a big party and was pressured by Alice to have one. So it does make sense for her not to be happy to get married.

[@Parrot5884]

So, my review of the Twilight Saga goes as follows: Enjoyment: 5/5 Quality: 1/5 It’s trash, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love it

[@natalie9796]

what do you include in the "quality" criteria? imo the most problematic part with the twilight series is the books and scenario. but the other aspects such as ost, actors, production (esp. the first movie, others became worse and worse, unfortunately) are very good, aren't they?

[@Parrot5884]

@@natalie9796 We're on the same page as quality goes for the films. The books (especially, New Moon) were pretty low quality as far as writing goes. Especially Jacob's character arc and the imprinting cop-out at the end of Breaking Dawn. Would've been so cool to have a whole werewolf-vampire standoff. So much tension was built and then it just fizzled out. I would've loved to have the vampire-werewolf predicament to be the climax instead of the Volturi thing. One can only dream 😂

[@sandranorman5469]

I am so ashamed -am 73 years old..

[@gremlinfifty2308]

you should watch seven deadly sins

[@conserztasfia0078]

My rating would be Story line 0/5 Quality 2/5 Enjoyment 2/5 (I enjoyed the first few moments and some werewolves moments but other wise its trash)

[@Sajirah]

You’re giving the readers of 50 Shades a bit too much credit. 50 Shades books tended to attract a certain kind of reader (usually bored housewives) and those women often looked upon Ana and Christian’s relationship as not only hot but also romantic. Many of the women I’ve met over the years who loved those books thought Christian was the perfect romantic partner. The only people I met who didn’t see him that way were people who hated the books. I mean, there’s a reason the trilogy (and the movie tickets) sold very, very well in the Deep South. Sex education is almost nonexistent there and traditional gender roles are a lot more prevalent so you have generations of women who grow up there who often have unfulfilling sex lives and skewed ideas of what a healthy relationship is supposed to look like and then they hear about a ‘naughty’ book about raunchy sex and romance. Of course they’re going to love it.

[@Matt-ik2uq]

i’m honestly so disappointed on sex ed in the south, people don’t even talk about it. sex ed for the most part is focused on abstinence and it’s horrible. parents are taught to ridicule their children for partaking in such action instead of helping by encouraging safety, and they hold a lot of religious belief above everything. not to mention the homophobia (intended or not) within the sex education system and among the population of the south in general. it’s ridiculous how little people know about anything, for the most part everyone believes that sex is only one way, and many are afraid of it. GROWN ADULTS are afraid of it. absolutely insane.

[@athenajaxon2397]

You're absolutely right I read Twilight when I was around 12 and while I thought there were many problematic elements I ended up enjoying the series and never felt any disgust I read 50 shades when I was 15 and felt DISGUSTED with Christian and Ana's relationship I was screaming internally for Ana to leave him and even at 15 recognized they're entire relationship was built on sex and nothing more even my friend who like me also liked Twilight hated Christian, the movies aren't quite as bad my mom caught them on TV and thought they were ok I've only seen the first one and I found it laughably bad but not quite as offensive as the books

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

Perfect reply.

[@Helperbot-2000]

Sums it up perfectly

[@randomperson8571]

Honestly, Charlie is like, the best character in this entire damn series (objectively speaking, subjectively speaking I'm a Carlisle stan in terms of character and will adamantly stand by the fact that "Twilight" should have been written about him, not Edward/Bella) and Billy Burke was, like, the best actor in the movie. Just saying.

[@frankwest5388]

that sounds like a really fun premise for a story. A similar supernatural romance story, but from the perspective of one of the parents. He could go through all the fun emotions. He could be distrustfull towards the monsters, bordeline racist even, supportive of his child. Maybe he could even have an arc where he meets someone from that supernatural group himself and falls for them. Which both connects him to his child but also kind of ruins the childs relationship somehow. Maybe the child only dated the monster because it knew it would piss the parent off, or maybe the child realizes how weird the relationship is, once it tells its parent that him being with a 3 thousand year old egyiptain mummy is creepy.

[@RilianSharp]

write a fanfic about Carlisle. fans of the books will undoubtedly love you for it. there's a LOT of good plots hinted at in twilight.

[@RilianSharp]

if you write it, i want to read it, so please leave a link here.

[@tyroneblackmann]

Nah dude, best character is the CGI baby before it became a little girl.

[@afia7425]

Charlie? Umm no, I can't get over the scene where jacob kissed Bella without her consent, which is sexual harassment, then Bella tried to defend herself which resulted in Bella breaking her hand, then the only thing her father, who is also one of the two policemen in the town heard, just laughed it off and congratulated Jacob, her abuser. Great message to put in a book targeted for teenage girls

[@malena5026]

Bella is boring yes but Kristen isn’t that bad of a actress it’s just the character that’s plain

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

She did the same kind of performance in Huntsmen

[@cWjkL8ysxOkrH66]

oh no baby the only actor we can save from this franchise is RobPatt

[@amberalysonRIP]

@@ZakanaHachihaCBC Maybe try to watch her in something else then bad fantasy movies. Like "still Alice" or "Camp X-Ray"

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

venus as a boy Anna Kendrick survived

[@bfbvouabeorbvoaervure963]

brushfyr That’s literally Bella personified

[@lizzybuttons3832]

This is Voldemorts fault, if he hasn't killed Cedric, he wouldn't of become Edward - A sparkly boy on drugs, wearing his sister's body glitter

[@teal2111]

🤣🤣🤣 brilliant comment..

[@yourneighborhoodmegalomaniac]

God damn it Voldemort didn't kill Cedric, he ordered Wormtail to do it lmao

[@huhulili9021]

@@yourneighborhoodmegalomaniac he masterminded it, so he had a hand in killing, so technically snake boi did kill cederic

[@yourneighborhoodmegalomaniac]

Huhu Lili that is a good point lmao

[@akshays3]

An extremely underrated comment 😂😂😂

[@lynnthomas8457]

Adding in my own two cents, but my experience with these books was very, very different. I picked it up before the movies were announced, and my middle school classmates and I all knew going in that it was a romance with vampires. At first, we all *loved* it, we were just entering into puberty, looking at the dream of romance, and all obsessed with magic after a childhood of kid fantasy novels, so Vampire Boyfriends hit all the right boxes. We all wanted so desperately to be pulled away from the world of bullying into a fantastical world with a perfect guy waiting there for us. The whole Edward about to commit suicide because Bella died after he left her bothered me, but I was willing to overlook it because "love." Then book three happened, and the love triangle started turning off some of us, the lack of anything really going on became more apparent. That and the whole "Edwards vs Jacob" debate became *very, very disturbing*. When book four came out, I dragged my mom to the midnight book release, where I was surrounded by both teens and moms drooling and screaming over these fictional characters, salivating at the mouth, near ripping other fan's heads off for not agreeing why one supernatural boyfriend was better than the other. There was an employee-led debate over which boy Bella should end up with, basically feeding into the fires for fun. But it also pointed out how cheap her romance with Edward was at that point because the only thing going for them was the back and forth. Before I even picked up book four, my experience with it was soured by the absolute rabid behavior of the *fanbase*, over a plainly average book series. The borderline pedophilic nature of Nessie being the soulmate to Jacob just TURNED BY STOMACH. I have a ten year age gap with my youngest brother, and the idea of someone in highschool looking at my baby brother like that made me want to punch someone. That point made me evaluate the whole series. By this time the movie was out, and the hate train had started. I started hearing about terms like "abuse" and "victimization" for really the first time in a way I could understand. Before that abuse was specifically being beaten by your parents, not the kind of psychological and social control we see in Twilight. When I boarded the Twilight Hate train at the ripe, stupid age of fourteen, it was because I was disgusted by the fandom, and felt betrayed by something I was so emotionally invested in. The fact that so many people, myself included, had bought into this dream of being abused and dominated really scared me. The level of obsession was really comparative to Bella, how she was abused and led around by a carrot, and *that was us*. That was all of us. We were obsessed with the books the way Bella was obsessed with her boys, over something that was not all that great in the first place. I went into high school and watched friends end up in abusive relationships with boys *almost immediately* because they thought obsession was romantic, and I felt like we, as an entire generation, had effectively been groomed by these books. A close friend of mine had skipped a grade, so she was emotionally less mature, and a lot shorter than our classmates for most of elementary and middle school. She starts high school at thirteen, ends up in a romantic relationship with a seventeen-year-old by September, and he takes her virginity at homecoming. This scumbag strung her around for all of our freshman year, and a year after as he went on to college. My friend's reaction to being told anything negative about her one true love was the *same* reaction that we all had during the Edward vs. Jacob wars. The same obsession, and the same mindlessness. I can't say if its cause or effect, but I can say the books did normalize this mentality for us. Anyway, that's why I still don't like these books.

[@gudegudemeh5195]

This is the main reason I really hate these books as well. I don’t particularly care about bad storytelling or unreasonable world-building. It’s how they romanticize abuse. So many girls read these books and think it’s romantic to be overprotected and controlled by their lovers because that’s how people who love each other do. Of course the books aren’t the only reason, but like you said, they certainly play a part.

[@PriyaPans]

@@rainbownebula102 healthy* but yeah I agree, these books were already a dangerous enough to young girls and women also. Then the fact that it "inspired" fifty shades just added on top of it. And there was no disguise or excuse with supernatural creatures... It was mental trauma and abuse allegedly disguised as kink, but truly it was just awful. There's many booktubers that have covered those books (my faves are Dominic Noble and alizee) and movie reviewers that have done the same (Amanda the Jedi) and it truly highlights how those books and movies become multi million things that probably destroyed so many young women's romantic relationships and damaged what people's perception of healthy relationships were supposed to be. I just hope that this doesn't continue to be perpetuated.

[@apocryphalbebop]

NGL, Charlie Swan (at least in the films) is a character I really enjoy because he loves his daughter very much yet still has this sort of apathy that is EXTREMELY common among Fathers. My own father and my best friend's father have the exact same awkward yet kind personality and it makes Charlie seem so believable.

[@TheHowlingEye]

he should be the POV

[@froggywithaheart]

@@TheHowlingEye there's a youtuber who does povs of different characters... she did his tooo!

[@radicalraddish6292]

I had been more or less part of the twilight hate wagon until I actually decided to watch the damn movies. And I oddly enough found myself enjoying some aspects of them. So then I said "what the heck" and actually gave the books a chance. And after reading them I found myself really disagreeing with a lot of the analysis the character have gotten over the years. Are the books high art or anything? No. But they are rather enjoyable when you just accept them for what they are as a run of the mill gooey love story with paranormal trappings. It's like sitcoms. They're not great and don't expand your mind interacting with them but you can see why people like them and hating them with any real fervor makes you look like an ass

[@kyoujinkrista2]

I agree

[@kennaw7198]

The over analyzing blows the story way out of proportion. It’s a silly enjoyable YA novel. Nothing more, nothing less. (I also like that it’s pretty age appropriate. The violence and intimacy aren’t super overboard like in a lot of YA books. Save that for adult fiction lol.)

[@authoralysmarchand4737]

The movies downplayed a lot of issues and changed the pacing and added some things. Did you notice how the first two were much faster paced than the last two? (The one in the middle was kinda between, figuratively and literally.) Meyer herself took the helm for the last two, and they draaaaaaagged. The first two movies were hilarious. I hate the books, but I'll watch the first two movie (and first half of the third is funny as well.) But these aren't like the books, and should be seen as separate. Many fans of the Lord of the Rings movies, for example, don't care for the books. Changes made for film can change the experience enough that some may love the books and hate the movies, and vice versa.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

Not really. Every single piece of.litersture is over analyzed. To hold these books in a higher position is stupid and ridiculous. Bella is a terrible character. Jacob is a terrible character. Edward is a terrible character. The plot, theres no plot really, just a toxic relationship between two or three toxic people. And every character surrounding these characters are infinitely more interesting but are never given any importance.

[@Mr.BluePants]

I've only watched the movies and I while I don't think they're particularly good movies, I also still enjoyed aspects of them. That whole romance got a bit too obnoxious a lot of times for my taste, but y'know... it's the kind of shit teenage girls enjoy watching I guess... Cringy and overly edgy "romance", so to say. (*cough cough* kinda like Riverdale and 13 Reasons Why *cough*) What really interested me in that whole franchise was definitely the world in which the characters live in and I did find the whole concept of the Volturi and "vegan" vampires relatively creative at least. The world had a lot of potential for way better stories.

[@erinbailey7940]

But WHY did no one vote for “Animorphs was weird”

[@opticalyoutube5597]

I know. It is weird.

[@pythonjava6228]

I KNOOOOW! it was super weird and one of my favourite book series as a kid

[@thesneakymemedealer5071]

what you guy talking about! I read Animorphs and I found "nothing out of the ordinary" i them.

[@QaysSyed]

We just got it lol

[@adnannaemaz1989]

I’m just amazed as you are

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

“Harry Potter with vampires” wait..aren’t vampires a thing in Harry Potter lore?

[@mental_decay_]

More focus on vampires

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

In the lore? Yes. In the actual story? No. Never, beyond simply being mentioned at a rare few instances. I remember that Quirrel alledgedly wore his turban because of some phobia related to a vampire he fought, even though that was just a rumour/cover story, that means that vampires are at least a thing.

[@opticalyoutube5597]

@@ZenoDovahkiin in the sixth book, Harry goes to a party thrown by the Potions teacher Horace Slughorn. There, he meets a guy who lived with a few vampires and even brought one to the party, actually. But beyond that, and a few mentions in History of Magic classes and O. W. L.s, there wasn't much else.

[@opticalyoutube5597]

@@aralornwolf3140 oh yeah I remember that!

[@giovanac4820]

There's that vampire who lives at the Burrow

[@_LilRascal_]

4:42 “It’s extremely long, has a very steep learning curve, the world is very strange, there’s tons of violence” *Man, you just described life perfectly*

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

James Tullos: "How bad is _Twilight_ really?" KrimsonRogue (hollering from the hospital while in Intensive Care for Acute _Empress Theresa_ poisoning): It's _technically_ not the worst book ever!

[@obsessivefangirl5055]

Ok I understand the hate for twilight might've been too harsh but GOT s8 deserves every single bit of hate it ever got.

[@revuesdeminuit4071]

obsessive fangirl same with Rise of Skywalker

[@unicornbarfingrainbows7599]

What is s8?

[@Dani_1012]

@@unicornbarfingrainbows7599 Season 8

[@unicornbarfingrainbows7599]

Dani _9539 oh, thank you for the clarification

[@LabGirl_00]

100% Twilight was terrible from the get go, but at the same time it gave the audience what was promised...a romance involving vampires and all that stuff. As bad as it was, that’s what it was about from the first scene/page to last one. GoT on the other hand was completely destroyed throughout the seasons, it started really good with a exciting stories and ended so terribly rushed bc, apparently, the writers just didn’t wanna do their job. It’s infuriating.

[@melodramatic7904]

Edward's stalker her was also an issue. He broke into her room every night to watch her sleep (without her consent)....for MONTHS.

[@liacastrobugliossi8792]

Yeah, and detail: a supposed 150 year old stalking a 17 year old girl.

[@pyroparagon8945]

@@liacastrobugliossi8792 never read it, but he's mentally and physically still 17 from what I hear, Soo not quite the hebephile tone you're implying. Still creepy though

[@cait3196]

@@pyroparagon8945 still has the experiences of a 150 yr old..

[@sweeyangchen3710]

I prefer the jacob ship

[@starwarfan8342]

@@pyroparagon8945 so by that logic if a 30 year old man got some plastic surgery and acted like an immature teenager, it would be totally acceptable for him to chase a high school girl?

[@oliviu-dorianconstantinesc288]

That intro song's not too great, but it's not too long. ... Please don't change it.

[@thilsiktonix]

...

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

It's catchy.

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION SONG!!! IT'S NOT VERY GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT TOO LONG!!! Total banger.

[@tacomaneternal6926]

In my opinion when I figure out that my crush is a thousand year old vampire with superpowers and a big ego thats really a turnoff for me

[@cam4636]

yeah I mean no offense to those who are different but finding out someone's an undead immortal murderer really makes me reevaluate where our relationship is going

[@tylorfox783]

Twilight is actually what got me into writing. I was in middle school when the movies came out, and a lot of the girls I hung out with decided that they were going to write Twilight clones. I saw the ads for the movie, and I began my own book, which was more dark, edgy werewolf story. After nearly 10ish years I’ve been writing since.

[@needfoolthings]

Edward's tiny personality fills out Bella's tight emptiness just nicely.

[@irishpoacher917]

Uh wow I have a dirty mind

[@dinathefossilfighter]

Same.

[@irishpoacher917]

@@dinathefossilfighter if I were Meyers agent after reading the draft I would say "Stephanie take that draft and flush it down the toilet"

[@riftvallance2087]

@@irishpoacher917 Wouldn't make a good editor then as they both went on to make a mountain of money after with them

[@o0Scarrow0o]

Honestly I thought bella had a handful of funny lines

[@CharcharoExplorer]

The Volturi in the story acknowledge that modern human weapons can actually kill them. We never are told what exactly can harm them, but power scaling these creatures means that most anti-material rifles, flamethrowers, tanks, APCs, HMGs, rockets, missiles, nukes, grenades (depends on filling) can kill them. Pistols and shotguns and less powerful assault rifles would likely be of limited effectiveness.

[@hulmhochberg8129]

Aren't they really vulnerable to fire?? Less than humans of corse but still

[@CharcharoExplorer]

@@hulmhochberg8129 They are very vulnerable to fire but you need to disable them first else they will run away / put the fire out.

[@hulmhochberg8129]

@@CharcharoExplorer yeah, but I am not sure they can do that if u spray them with napalm

[@leru556]

Technically, they can be killed by any weapon that causes a firey effect. However, the only real problem is that their speed and senses; they are so fast, they could avoid any upcoming missile, and because of their heightened senses, no one could actually sneak up on them.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

@@leru556 Overwhelming firepower and range can overcome this. Plus, they are 200 miles tops in speed. That is not enough against modern weapons.

[@alessiabanu9271]

,,Holy shit I forgot Rami Malek was on this movie" We all did, James, we all did

[@alexdinu589]

Jacob: Why bella chose you? Edward: Because I'm Batman!

[@SirToaster9330]

Yes! That is him

[@patty4349]

I am thinking of the Buffy episode where the evil guy is resurrected. He looks at Buffy and intones "No weapon can slay me!" Her sassy reply is "Yeah. That was then.... This is now." She then shoots him with a rocket launcher blowing him into many tiny pieces! The Vulturi are wise to hide at least in the modern era.

[@azuregriffin1116]

Imagine a flipped version of that 'hidden world' trope. Like, the supernatural person gets lost in the 'real' world...

[@KOT_AMV]

so....the devil is a part timer basically?

[@azuregriffin1116]

@@KOT_AMV oh... I saw that, long ago...

[@powmarti2305]

Lucifer alike

[@Penguin-iy4hz]

@@KOT_AMV Season 2 hype!

[@vardiganxpl1698]

That one disney movie where a fantasy princess finds herself in modern new york? or the Live action Smurfs movie?

[@willowdove6703]

I can’t say who this “we” is who expected another Harry Potter. Speaking as someone who was a teenage girl (the intended audience) at the time I absolutely knew I was signing up for a paranormal romance, not an action adventure, and I was thrilled about it. As were pretty much all the other teenage girls, and even a lot of older women- my aunt was the one who first got me and my mother both into the series. My personal experience contradicts the notion that the majority of people could have been surprised by Twilight’s genre; it seemed to me like most people were in fact familiar with the source material before the movie came out

[@mystii8134]

Willowdove as a young but intellectual child, I would beg my parents to let me read it from the age of 8, I finally read at 12 when outsmarting my parents by getting my grandmother to let me watch it at 11. Little did they know I read far more graphic novels and I was just like “all this hype for nothing”. It was rather disappointing.

[@blakchristianbale]

A lot of the ads for the first movie definitely focused more on the action than the actual movie did. Don't have hard data or anything but I don't find it hard to believe a lot of people (who weren't aware of the books) went in expecting Harry Potter

[@lesteryaytrippy7282]

@brushfyr if you've watched the video, the video OP acknowledges that Twilight's demographic would be young females and that is fine for him. I do agree with OP that I thought Twilight was going to be a supernatural adventure as well, but more gothic than Harry Potter's more school-adventure genre, so he was right. By the time Twilight the film became a sensation, however, both my male and female classmates were on board and felt more comfortable reading and watching the Twilight series than Harry Potter. I asked one (a boy) and told me, "It's easier to understand and it's relatable to watch it". While he knew I was a HP fan and said he'd go have a look at HP soon, ehhh I knew that wasn't his cup of tea. Given, I didn't have a study on how big the population of students found Twilight the best thing, but from my observation back in 2007 onwards, Twilight and its series was a hit.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Yeah, I heard about Twilight as specifically some trash that teenage girls went mad about. My view towards it nowadays is that Stephanie Meyer's books are the female equivalent of harem anime. You know, pure, "trashy" wish fulfillment for teenagers. Or I guess you could also say that it's the teenager equivalent of rom coms and romance novels targeting adult women. Which, by the way, I think is fine. Not every book, film or TV show needs to be a Charles Dickens novel that carries important social commentary or a Tolkienesque epic that builds upon a world that is so intricate that thousands will try and fail to replicate it. It can also just be silly or unimpactful entertainment, there's clearly a market for it, and there's nothing wrong with enjoying such stories, even if the specific story is deeply flawed. *_But_* even then flawed works that become popular will receive criticism, and if they are within a niche, art form or genre that is generally already considered "trashy" or of low or no "real" value, it may become cool and trendy to hate on it. You can compare this situation to Sword Art Online to see another example. SAO is also a result of very flawed storytelling and world building which is deserving of criticism, but is still commercially successful because just like Twilight effectively delivers an escapist wish fullfilment fantasy to teenage girls, it does the same for teenage boys. And in a very similar way, it is something that was cool to hate while it was relevant, because it was successful dispite being only that.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

@brushfyr I don't think horror is a good example, if you want a genre that is much more successfull among male audiences, I'd say the number one case study would be adventure stories and heroic narratives, which are liked by women, but for each women who's into a story like that, there's ten men who are into it. I think that's also why we must have a romantic subplot in everything mainstream, it's the corporate way to try appealing to women in media most of them might otherwise not care about, which is stupid since if they want a love story they can get a better one in a different film or book. Case in point: What Hollywood did to my boy Kili.

[@connorhennessey1316]

"How bad is Twilight really?" Short Answer: They're Bad. Long Answer: They're bad, but inoffensive. They're a pretty basic YA supernatural romance that had decent success thanks to there "readability" and subject matter; Then colossal success when Hollywood found out you could market the shit out of mediocre YA book franchises and make a killing (Harry Potter was no fluke). I would not recommend the books to anyone but the first movie at least had quite a few scenes that were so bad there good (I'm looking at you "Sparking makes me a monster", random camera pans around a Piano, and "I like to watch you sleep"). All-in-all, the franchise is bad but it only become a punching back for a certain sub-sect of Nerdom do to who the fan base was made out of.

[@glanni]

They are pretty stupid though. And not because I hate romance about magical creatures or think escapism is bad for young women. But, because this perverse, abusive relationship is held to such high regards. And this even started a whole family of Twilight copycats.

[@faulkner8831]

no it contains a lot of things that are actually shit but its still fun to read

[@riley8385]

@@glanni I mean, there are a lot of pieces of media with unhealthy relationships played as romantic. Han and Leia, to name a pretty iconic one. Most nerds don't have a real standard for what constitutes a healthy relationship. The vitriol mostly came from being a popular franchise which was cool to hate and being targeted towards teenage girls.

[@glanni]

@@riley8385 Han and Leia is not something I would compare to a literal blood sucking (old as fuck!) demon possessing a depressed teenage girl who apparently has no interest in life, at all. I'm not the moral police about representation, and I don't have a problem with media showing relationships that are less than ideal, or even problematic. I'm also not triggered by ships that I'd rather not see together (like Mai and Zuko in A:TLA; I think Mai doesn't really support him most of the time. But it's not that I'd rather ship Zuko with Katara). I'm relatively aloof about ships, they are rarely the main hook for me in movies, only when they are really exceptional. (I don't even worship Jack Frost x Elsa, despite what my profile might imply) But Twilight.. is a whole different story. It's not that it's problematic, it's that it's existential horror.

[@SysterYster]

I wouldn't say they're not offensive. But they could be worse. I mean, they DO basically tell girls: Hey, love people based on how they look and please, don't care about their personality. That's not important at all. Blerrgh. But other than that they're just a bland romance story with boring characters. And I keep saying, it would have been much more interesting and original if the vampires had been energy-sucking fairies. Also, it'd explain the glittering without ruining vampires for a full generation. :P

[@KikiYushima]

"I'm not the target demographic and I don't think many of the haters are either." I was part of the target demographic and I enjoyed the first three books when they came out. I was in high school and female. I didn't think they were _fantastic_ but I liked them okay. Then Breaking Dawn happened and I went full-on anti. It wasn't blind hatred on my part, at least. I listened and repeated a lot of the criticisms (abuse, lack of character, etc). I spent _so_ much time on the anti-Twilight Probards forums during that period. Honestly, it was a pretty fun time. Most of us were pretty chill even if we all hated the same thing. I honestly think the hatedom back then was more reasonable than the hatedom today is. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Midnight Sun comes out later this year.

[@adesays]

Fun fact: in Midnight Sun (the “Twilight from Edward’s pov” Book) Edward asks Carlisle to take care of the rapists. Although, his reasoning did involve expressing “how it is wrong to let them free because they could hurt another man’s woman” instead of “because they can hurt women” but 🤷‍♀️

[@MissGraves6]

I never ever saw this marketed as a second Harry Potter, and I was a teen girl Harry Potter crazy when this came out. Everyone around me (mostly other teen girls) knew this was romance with supernaturals in it.

[@leqaf]

I agree it wasn't marketed for the Harry Potter crowd but it wasn't marketed as a romance either.

[@alexandra1695]

I low key want to see The Mortal Instruments video

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

I shouldn't had bingewatched The Authentic Observer's 7 videos on why the Shadowhunter series is bad... It killed my interest on reviews of the Mortal Instruments

[@alexandra1695]

@Hans Hanzo Me too. I read the first book was kinda boring for me. The series after the first season is actually pretty good. And Malec is one of the best couple I've seen on television.

[@fangirldreamer748]

Kora C. Crab Gal there are many books that have to do with the overarching universe. So if you dropped the books you wouldn’t get to know more of the universe or the characters.

[@izzigriffiths7429]

Kora C. i was literally thinking that too

[@greysen3859]

But can we get a round of applause to the writers for staying with the books unlike OTHER YA MOVIE ADAPTATIONS

[@robertgronewold3326]

I'll give them that much. In the last 20 years, it seems only The Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Twilight have truly adapted their source material.

I agree. It's sad to watch a movie only to find out the rest of them don't exist, even if the first one was objectively bad

[@eveelima1]

Yes, they nailed it!

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@robertgronewold3326 and Hunger games

[@gracie9658]

@@athenajaxon2397 Eh, we could argue about that one.

[@nateds7326]

It never occurred to me that the vampires in twighlight are literally unkillable unless your a wherewolf or a vampire. Guess garlic allergies just dampers Edward's sex apeal.

[@mossy1379]

Moral of the story: we want a book about anyone that isn't Bella, Edward or Jacob.

[@9annax]

The only thing that can kill a vampire is another vampire... Kinda like in JoJo's bizarre adventure only a Stand can defeat another Stand. Twilight vampires are Stands

[@user-mh9dx7nz2r]

Knew I'd find a Jobro/sistand in arms. Check the earliest comments or anything made on the last day of January and you'll see the only vampires I like are the time stopping ones and the Aztecs with vampiric characteristics.

[@Nemamka]

I did not expect to find a fellow man of culture here but I honestly feel so validated now

[@sauwurabh]

wth 😂😂

[@jdk2535]

The shapeshifters ("werewolves") in Twilight can also kill vampires. And it's implied that humanity could kill vampires if they really wanted to, Carlisle's father was a priest who hunted them for Christ's sake (no pun intended). Also, from my limited knowledge of JBA, Stands are abilities. The equivalent of an ability unique to each person already exists in Twilight. Edward's mind reading, Alice seeing the future, and plenty more. Vampires aren't guaranteed an ability, but there are a myriad of characters with them. Especially at the end of the series. Comparing those abilities to Stands would work better, though still fall flat due to the fact that these abilities don't have to be countered, or in many cases are passive and have no counter. In conclusion: No.

[@jamesthomasrosky6299]

@@jdk2535 I would compare the twilight powers more to the iterview with the vampire series, which came first, and had this thing where some vampires had a dark gift or something. And stands are basically superpowers that normal people can't interact with at this point in the series, because the concept of a stand has become so abstract, a fishing rod that travels through walls is a useful stand.

[@TheFlauschig]

Until this video, I wasn't aware that people mistook Twilight as a Harry Potter replacement. Might be, because I read the books when they came out...but still.

[@blakchristianbale]

SomeSeal if your first exposure to the franchise was the trailer for the first movie it was pretty easy to mistake it for something it wasn't

[@blakchristianbale]

SomeSeal if your first exposure to the franchise was the trailer for the first movie it was pretty easy to mistake it for something it wasn't

[@politereminder6284]

29:00 Bella did not suffer from depression, but from grief. Of course, restoring what was lost resolves her issues.

[@BrieannaKeogh]

Exactly grief! This is how I handled my own grief and even though I didn't like that book as much as the others, those three pages were really done well.

[@agentwisconsin3184]

Can never hate this series it started my love of reading and made me go from a 3rd grade reading level in 9the grade to a college in 10th

[@Boraheartsss]

I was a young girl who Twilight was aimed at and I loved it. Still love it as a paranormal romance. Didn’t read it for it to be amazing at worldbuilding or plot or even well written main characters. I read it to escape to a fantastical romance. Not something real or even perfectly healthy? It’s fantasy. I did not grow up thinking that how love was supposed to be. I look back at it fondly like “omg that part made my heart race”. And then I grew up 😃 That’s about it. I never really followed things in fantasy to depict real life... but I guess I’m alone here 😅

[@starsign0805]

No, same. When I was 12-13 I was absolutely obsessed with the Twilight series, specifically the 1st book. I tend to love most stories that mix horror and romance because those are my favourite genres, so you can imagine how I was completely enamoured by this story and the world it created. The whole thing was super immersive, romantic and fantastical. At 12 I definitely hadn't matured enough to read deeply into literature or characters, all I knew was that it was one of those gripping love stories and I enjoyed the high morality of the concept of vampires who didn't want to harm human beings or be monsters. It really appealed to me. At that point, I remember thinking this was a mature story because of it. But, as much as I wished something as romantic as it would happen to me, I was always aware that the story had no connect to reality in any way. As I've grown over the years, as a feminist, student of Cinema, avid reader, someone with interest in psychology, I can understand people's issues with the story, but I will never understand the blind hate. Twilight was never perfect, neither was it intellectual cinema or literature, it's wish fulfilment at its core, but it's fun and I still enjoy it till date. It has problematic moments, but I never see the extreme toxicity of it. At the end of the day, this is just one of those things that people love to hate and alot of the hate it gets unfortunately has a bit of sexism behind it.

[@swatisaini6447]

Same here. Never got influenced by twilight in real life but enjoyed reading it a lot

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

The one criticism of Twilight that I think is the least relevant, but which got by far the most attention, is "It depicted vampires *WRONG!!!"* I'm not a fan of the way Twilight did vampires either, but it wasn't exactly the first vampire romance, or the first thing to depict 'good' and 'evil' vampires, or the first thing to depict half-vampires, or even the first thing to depict vampires not being destroyed by sunlight (even the novel Dracula doesn't do this.) And vampire lore has literally NEVER been consistent in fiction. Changing what vampires are is so common that you could probably make a drinking game out of it. Take a drink every time a character in a vampire movie says something like, "They don't turn into bats! That's just superstition!" There have been so many different kinds of vampire with different characteristics and different powers that it's literally the premise of Vampire: The Masquerade. And yet the Twilight backlash still resulted a mini-wave of gory vampire horror movies that were praised for depicting "REAL vampires."

[@josephdavis9234]

Agreed. I have literally never seen two unrelated vampire stories that had the same rules for vampires.

[@kerrychristensen7204]

👏😔 Mmm, hmm. *Truth.*

[@hulmhochberg8129]

Yeah the real gory vampires,... Who can't cross a body of water, and need to be invited into your house... Lol

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

@@hulmhochberg8129 Or who can be foiled by scattering seeds on the floor that they're compulsively forced to count.

[@hulmhochberg8129]

@@PassTheMarmalade1957 lol right forgot about that... Hahaha

[@RilianSharp]

vampires do have sexual desire. that's why Alice and Jasper, etc, are a couple.

[@apet6752]

Yeah they have innsanneee sex drives, edward just doesn't like to be teased bcs he's so afraid of bella getting hurt :D and also his no-sex-before-marriage -thing

[@vylbird8014]

Desire, but no blood pressure... hmm. I wonder why the book never addressed that issue?

[@RilianSharp]

@@vylbird8014, i heard that venom controls their sexual arousal. basically every bodily function is controlled by venom.

[@vylbird8014]

@@RilianSharp It wasn't arousal I was thinking off, but a more physical issue: The human penis is a hydraulicly-driven organ,and Edward has no pulse, thus no pump to power it. He should be impotent. There are medical ways around that - he could use a vacuum pump and a ring, or an implantable device - but the books and movie seem to shy away from answering the question.

[@nessyness5447]

@@vylbird8014 well to be fair i think the only vampires with romance thing that i have seen to properly give an explanation is tvd. it is explained that vampires absord into their veins the blood they drink and their hearts pump that blood, and as long as vampires drink blood regularly their bodies work more or less with normality. their hearts beat and their skin feels warm( they even blush) this helps them to pass unnoticed among humans and mixing with them much easier. also they it allows them to eat and well, have erections. the only thing they don't have is the capacity to reprduce because they can work organs and body parts that depend on the circulatory system by using the blood they drink to make it work, but they can't generate new cells so they can't generate sperm or ovules. also if they stop drinking blood for a while they don't get new blood in their body and they start to disicate like mummies. is overall a pretty good explanation that also gives a good reason for the need of drinking blood that vampires have.

[@JeevesAnthrozaurUS]

Ultimately how I feel about Twilight: Not as bad as I remember, but I really, *really* don't care to re-read it

[@lizardfishbird]

Twilight would have been better if it was Charlie Swan: Vampire Hunter

[@noelbernabe8704]

GIven Charlie really has no chance whatsoever slaying a vampire, I'm not sure how well tha would have worked out.

[@ptheorist4670]

As someone who had to "fight" my love for Twilight when I was a teen because of the hate it was getting, it's so refreshing to see people nowadays talk about it with a more open-minded view. I fully agree that it's bad from certain aspects, but as you said, it didn't deserve the hate it - and even worse, its fans - got.

[@kimberlylatrice1981]

❤❤❤❤

[@sandranorman5469]

Am a 72 year old woman-and I still love the “Twilight “ movies. My daughter tried to get me to read the books. Sorry but the only one I really hated was Breaking Dawn Part 2.

[@sandranorman5469]

Am a 72 year old woman-and I still love the “Twilight “ movies. My daughter tried to get me to read the books. Sorry but the only one I really hated was Breaking Dawn Part 2.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Kind deserves some hate.

[@cait3196]

@@fightingmedialounge519 right! it romanticizes a toxic and abusive relationship while being geered towards teens.. (remember edward stalking her and watching her sleep at night w/out consent, breaking her car to stop her from seeing friends, jacob forcefully kissing her even though he knew she didnt like him like that)

[@desi1790]

Book wise I thought Alices backstory was way more interesting

[@ca-ke9493]

I love Alice, best character

[@kyojuroswife4112]

Jane's too

[@beesbrownies]

Honestly? It's just a comfort book to me at this point. When I'm having panicked days or a year ago when I was in an unhealthy state of mind, it was just mindless fun if that makes sense

[@echobean5222]

That's how I feel about Throne of Glass. It has a ton of negative reviews but I dont even care. It's what I pick up if I cant sleep every time. Gotta have an ole faithful, even if it's bad😂

[@thechainwarden]

Totaly respect your love of the book but it's kind of funny that your escape when in an unhealthy state of mind is a book with an unhealthy relationship.

[@wormrights883]

That’s valid bro

[@newwavepop]

i never joined in on that BS. i never read the books, i never heard of the books before the film and before the second film had even come out i was already so sick of listening to everyone talk crap on the Twilight films. when i finally watched the films i thought they were perfectly fine, they were not good enough or bad enough for all the attention they revived. and i never once gave a crap about the Vampires sparkling, SO WHAT! this persons fantasy universe isnt going to infect all your favorite other peoples fantasy universes.

[@zionhacker1]

2020 and people are still talking about twilight. This franchise will keep living.

[@VicenteMarinho]

Did you just claim Anna Kendrick had no career after this series? Am I reading that correctly?

[@kerrychristensen7204]

*shots fired*

[@lasttoparty7570]

Anna Kendrick's "Oh yeah, I forgot I was in Twilight" tweet - perfection😍.

[@fairycat23]

Pretty sure he was claiming Anna Kendrick was the only one in that screenshot who had a career after this series--which is untrue; Justin Chon was in the KPOP parody band BgA. (I'm. I'm joking about that last part. I mean, he _was_ in Boys Generally Asian, but I'm joking that it alone counts as having a career.)

[@jubileegonzalez]

fairycatLJT i think yall are forgetting boo boo stewarts glo up 😍 went from popular movie franchise to disney channel cringe movies !!!!! King!! (Sarcasm love him still tho)

[@sammyruncorn4165]

What about Robert Pattinson? He got off the big blockbuster business for years, put on some interesting (most often a bit weird) roles in indie movies and improved his actor skills. He's going to play Batman in the next WB movie AND got a role in Christopher Nolans "TENET" for 2020. Seems like his career is going to skyrocket next year if he doesn't screw up completely in those. I'm not a fan of his (neither his movies, nor his appearance), but one has to admit he got over the Twilight thing and shows great potential now.

[@joemaster5756]

Have you considered a review of "My Immortal"?

[@TheLacunae]

That's a horrible idea. He should do it.

[@molliethomas2585]

You are evil. And I love it 😁

[@MasticinaAkicta]

We only can hope he does and does it right. Diving deep into the story and the mighty fine written characters, the well woven storyline(s) and the expert use of grammar, spelling and yes tension.

[@fairycat23]

omfg

[@candeeartist8590]

*Tom Bombadil flashbacks*

[@princekyle4132]

My sister, who treats the Twilight movies like comedies, says that the first one was the best one because it was more like an indie movie, though it’s still very much shit. I saw the first one and it’s just hilariously bad. But she also said that it was the only movie to accurately portray the awkwardness of teenagers and I just started laughing. Edit: Okay I’m realizing this sounds mean now. My bad.

[@egg9206]

seriously! they honestly nailed every single flavor of awkward teen in that movie and they really deserve props for it. every single teen character was completely believable

[@dv.c3700]

the "Edward being an old man" thing was already covered in the comments so i'll just maybe correct some other stuff. 1.vampire (in this series) DO get "horny" . Edward alludes to it multiple times he just holds back. 2.he doesn't dangle vampirism he actively tries to convince her NOT to turn. SHE keeps pushing the idea & eventually agrees with him to wait until theyre married . 3.vampires in this series hide themselves because human technology has progressed so far that they're aware they can actually be hurt by us now. (tht & the voltori kind of just want to sit and study and lowkey don't care about ruling) both things are stated in he books...which im guessing needs to be re-read LOL?

[@natalie9796]

agree! and also i truly can't understand why the author called Bella passive when she actually gets everything she wants from the beginning. she wanted to be a vampire - check. she wanted sex with Edward - check. she wanted to be with Edward even though Jackob and Edward himself and others told her to be with the nice human guy Jackob - check. she insisted to be closer to Edward and live that life because she couldn't find herself in conventional human life. is this relationship healthy? hell no, but it's her choice and it kinda works for her.

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

He may not have been "dangling" vampirism, per se, but he did use it to coerce Bella into marrying him.

[@sheepsdog]

also most of the reason they hide from humans from what i remember is because they sparkle and have red/gold eyes...he definitely needs to reread 😭

[@kyojuroswife4112]

Finally someone with a brain, these twilight haters are not it

[@natalie9796]

@@ska3521 that's not true either considering the fact that she literally didn't agree to believe in what he told her to believe (aka gaslighting). If Bella were that passive she'll just stop at the moment when Edward told her that he pushed the car because of adrenaline. But she didn't stop at that Moment because Bella is not passive, she just wanted different things: be immortal and beautiful and have immortal and beautiful bf lol

[@mushovers3006]

"when the rise of skywalker comes out" yeah.. that aged well

[@SirToaster9330]

Check the audience ratings

[@bardolphers3003]

god why DISNT ANYONE PICK ANIMORPHS?????

[@JamesTullos]

idk, but become a patron and we'll see where it takes us :)

[@brookebennett6006]

Lol same I loved those weird books

[@farmerboy916]

Because Schadenfreude

[@yggdrasil3]

I remember seeing the books in the school's library, were they good?

[@bardolphers3003]

@@yggdrasil3 depends on if you like psychological horror

[@SpektralJo]

The color grading in the films bothers me. This is supposed to be a romance, not a thriller

[@nessyness5447]

right? they have this sad and depressing tone even in the happiest scenes because the color thing

[@fukro7557]

I mean, they're vampires, cold and deadly. And the plot isn't only about romance. So I guess that's why

[@swagromancer]

Ironically though, if it WAS framed as a thriller, the story could work so much better.

[@nessyness5447]

@@swagromancer right? they could have gone so many ways with that, from bella being the hero who is the only one who knows vampires and werewolfs exist in the town and decides to pitch them against each other to save the humans, or bella being evil and manipulativa and using edward to become a vampire, or bella being a victim under vampiric hypnosis and her father and jacob ( who could be her boyfriend that she doesn't remember for the hypnosis and that could fix the fact that he passes from being a sweetie to be a pushy asshole who force kisses her) are trying to rescue her. so many options, and meyer picked the worst one.

[@lunali7209]

its an emo romance .. at that time emo rock music and tumblr were really popular so they went with those aesthetics and that mood

[@courtneythompson6179]

As a person who read the books before the movie, I can’t relate to people thinking it was similar to HP lol

[@raerivers]

I hate when people judge twilight just because the vampires sparkle because it misses the entire point. Sure, it’s kind of funny, but that’s basically the point, it’s not scary. If you saw someone start sparkling the way he’s described to, you’d be so entranced and confused- and like Bella said, think it’s beautiful- all of this means that you wouldn’t be scared them and wouldn’t run away, leaving you vulnerable to being attacked, fed on and/or killed by one of the vampires.

[@TMTM7]

That's a solid point

[@cam4636]

I also felt like "oh, and they sparkle--that's why they stay out of the sun and also why so many people find them beautiful" was the one new idea in the entire story, and yet it's the part so much "look at this dumb thing!!!" criticism focused on. "vAmPiReS dOnT sPaRkLe!!!!1" I've got good news for you Kyle, you're correct: the nonexistent mythological monsters do not sparkle. You're truly an unrecognized genius for figuring it out.

[@briankaslewicz6130]

Also an easy fix would be to say vampires are descendants of fallen angels. Ryo/Satan from Devilman Crybaby doesn't look like the version of Satan made famous by South Park or Tim Curry, he's a sparkly handsome twink.

[@noelbernabe8704]

I never understood why people take with with the fact that they sparkle instead of combusting in sunlight. To me that just means they're far more powerful and dangerous than traditional vampires, since they have none of their weaknesses. I'd sooner face almost any other species of vampire than a Twilight vamp, because I might still have a chance against them. Twilight vamps are pretty much unkillable unless you're another vampire or a werewolf.

[@briankaslewicz6130]

@@noelbernabe8704 I think that's another complaint, they're so OP, why haven't they just taken over the world outside of the Volturi having some influence in the Vatican?

[@BlackSheepNara]

Edward doesn’t use vampirism to manipulate Bella. Edward doesn’t want her to change at all. Bella constantly made threats to have Alice do it. Edward finally gave in after two full books of her threatening him and said he’d change her if she married him. Bella is s**ually aggressive with Edward, too. Bella also thought if Edward ever tried to leave, she’d purposefully put herself in danger to make him stay. If the genders were reversed that’d be mentioned.

[@jasondeutschbein8102]

I never read the books, but watched the movies. I identify with Bella's lack of character a lot, the blank slate is what I believe to be an aspect of neglect on her father's side. That's what leads to the dominant, assertive behavior of Edward to be far more comforting than the awkward, over-compensating father. Also, I wanted to point out that the Volturi are modeled after a masonic/vatican cult type deal. The entire reason they don't want humans to know of their existence is because they have dedicated infrastructure in place to feed their "bureaucratic elite" with blood. Giving humans a legitimate cause for fear/panic would cause a massively negative effect on their blood market, humans would develop their own infrastructure AGAINST vampires. This is of course in comparison to supposed secretive blood-thirsty capitalistic depictions of said masonic/vatican organizations.

[@politereminder6284]

Her father was not neglectful though 🤔

[@ILoveBonbons1]

That’s a good explanation, but I doubt Meyer thought through all of that

[@canvas_125]

Jason Deutschbein Belle’s blank slate is due to the self insert narrative Meyer was going for. She wrote the books based on a dream she had and went with that. Belle is supposed to be the reader. That’s why she’s so boring and one dimensional.

[@jasondeutschbein8102]

@@canvas_125 I am not familiar with the novels. In the movie, the relationship between Bella and her father is strained. As someone that suffers from neglect, I see her father's concern more as a selfish thing. He wants to be a good father, but frankly, I see little attempts on his part to fully understand or really get to know his daughter. (it has been a LONG time since I've seen the movies so most of this is based on the general feeling I got from said movies)

[@fightingmedialounge519]

No, he makes several attempts to try to connect with her.

[@matheusrodrigues7921]

I just wish the craze of "hey let's try to put a romance on everything" that twilight started would go away. Changing the subject a bit, I would really like if you did a video like you the one you made for Rick Riordan for Cresscida Cowell. Her "How to Train your Dragon Series" is my favorite childhood book franchise and I would like to see your thoughts on it.

[@MateusAntonioBittencourt]

You think that the "hey let's try to put a romance on everything" started with Twilight? Oh boy... you must be very young. Twilight is not even responsible for making it popular. This exists since ever.

[@matheusrodrigues7921]

@@MateusAntonioBittencourt I really think that twilight made it really popular cause I don't remember being that much "put romance on everything" books before that. At least it made the problem surface

[@cai0409]

Pesquizeru Most things are centered on romance and that is not just a 10 year old trope. Look at Titanic for example. It’s literally based on a real life tragedy but they made it largely about romance. And honestly, it makes sense. Almost everyone’s main goal in life is to fall in love and start a family. But it does get annoying for everything to be about that.

[@matheusrodrigues7921]

@@cai0409 I know many stories are centered around romance or are actual love stories. The point I'm making is that, different from Titanic, the romance in Twilight (or many of those YA series) doesn't feel like an actual romance, they're simply not well developed. They're something to the author and the audience to project themselves into. The problem is that they aren't actual love stories and just some requirement that every book nowadays needs to have; they need to have those teenagers or YA that have barely met, just instantly fall in love with each other just like that. Sorry if it came off as a rant or being rude I was just trying to get my point across and hope I was able to achieve that.

[@cai0409]

Pesquizeru In my opinion, I still don’t think Twilight made this popular. I guess a better example for what you’re talking about is those romance novels for middle aged women and they always have that shirtless, long-haired man on the cover. Maybe those aren’t being made into movies, but there’s a billion of those books and you’ll see one in every mother’s bookshelf.

[@james4727]

some of this can be explained by the author being mormon, themes around abortion and sex tie in strongly with her personal beliefs and would have resonated with a large part of the audiance who she would have expected to read the books

[@berlineczka]

Paradoxically, however, the movie is pro-choice. The core belief behind a pro-choice stance is that a womb owner decides what will happen with the pregnancy. It was Bella's decision, and Bella's alone. Sometimes the choice is to keep the pregnancy that endangers your life, and that is also a valid choice. As long as it's made by the person in question.

[@nessyness5447]

@@berlineczka yes and no, becauad she makes it look like bella is taking the right choice even if it ends her life and that the others telling her to end the pregnancy because of the danger are " bad" or " selfish" in fact once edward senses the baby is good he is on board with bella' s decision of having it like if he was only against it because he thought the baby was evil. i mean if bella stuck to her choice but it had been shown like something negative because it was going to kill her with no guarante of her child surviving either it would be fine. but the fact that they make it look like everyone who tells her to end the pregnancy is wrong and selfish in wanting to prioritize bella's life and bella is right in giving her life for maybe being able to give birth to a baby that is basically eating her from the inside is like saying " no matter how bad it is or even a risk to your life,and how much your own family says you should abort to save your life, abortion is bad a good mother gives her life to give birth if needed". is not the sutation in itself or the choice she makes as much as how it is portrayed

[@nessyness5447]

ironically, mormons would probably think the story is evil because vampires and werewolfs are things of the devil.

[@james4727]

@@nessyness5447 lol what, not at all, i dont think you are familiar with mormons at all. When i use to be part of the church pretty much all the youth group were big fans. Theres nothing like that in their doctrine.

[@nessyness5447]

@@james4727 it was a joke, cause mormons are a christian group...and there is a lot of exagerated christian people in all kind of christian groups who would think that.

[@calicotaylor7888]

11:45 in midnight sun smeyer revealed that Edward had Carlisle sedate the men, drive them a state over and leave them in an alley outside a police station, then call and report them. They were arrested and all that the next morning.

[@Robert-vk7je]

I love Twilight for the "Still a better lovestory" - meme. :)

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

Twilight: Still better love story than Twilight. I’m starting a kickstarter for an advertisement banner with this in white Times New Roman on black background.

[@fleurnightingale]

Alice is and will always be my favorite character in this series. Also I wished that Bree Tanner joined the Cullens.

[@kimberlylatrice1981]

YYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!! Or that she and the big guy and the guy she liked would've became the new James, Victoria, and Laurent trio!

[@katerinalinville]

In the midnight sun draft (twilight from edward’s perspective) he sends his dad after the rapists and at least one of them gets put in jail

[@OfSoundMind]

Wait.. this exists?!

[@katerinalinville]

Of Sound Mind yeah you can read it free online

[@CelticLibra]

Rewriting from another characters PoV is just as bad as the whole "Dumbledore is gay" fiasco.

[@funkyfranx]

@@CelticLibra I mean it's not, but... ok

[@literallygaston2489]

CelticLibra I’ll defend that Dumbledore is gay because that came out because the director of Half-Blood Prince wanted to add a female love interest to Dumbledore and JK was like “dude no, he’s gay”. I won’t defend the fact that it wasn’t in the books tho. This whole thing now looks bad and fake only because now JK keeps adding bullshit and claiming that she was always this woke like, sure Jan.

[@RilianSharp]

twilight wasn't *about* james. that was just one thing that happened. you could interpret it as fulfilling Edward's fear that Bella is in danger simply by being with him.

[@majimagoro383]

What Bella heard from Jacob's sentence when he was explaining his imprint on Renéesme: "Tbsvcj thdvxu sjjsjdidcb *NESSIE* shcbduej!" Bella: "..." "yOu NiCk-NaMeD mY dAuGhTeR aFtEr ThE lOchNeSs MoNsTeR?!" Edward: lmao

[@anubhabghosh8706]

Personally, I think the best character is Carlisle(due to his backstory). He has a passion of learning, and he has unlimited time to do since he became a vampire. And also, his self-control of resisting the temptation to drink human blood is truly depicted in New Moon on Bella's Birthday. This self-discipline also inspires us to do the right thing and say no to our unnecessary pleasures

[@emeryrachelle224]

It's interesting that you said Eclipse was the best of the series. I actually hated that one most, because I felt the toxic traits in Bella's relationships with both Jacob and Edward were most prominent in that book (my favorite was Breaking Dawn, if we're not counting the Bree Tanner novella). I think this is a great example of the disconnect between marketing/positioning and the intended genre and audience. I'm a young woman who read it for the paranormal romance - I first read and watched Twilight after all the hype had ended so I knew exactly what I was in for, and I think that's a big part of why I enjoyed and didn't hate the series.

[@lasttoparty7570]

Eclipse can be considered the best written book of the four, in that it was the most tightly plotted - it had very interesting plots that were carried all throughout the book (the development of the love triangle and the threat of the newborn army). The worse elements of the book, like the abusive tendencies of the characters, don't take away from that.

[@nae4073]

I agree! I really didn't like Eclipse either :/

[@noelbernabe8704]

I have a sort of love/hate relationship with Eclipse. I think it was the shallowest story where nothing happened, in that if Bella said yes to Edwards proposal at the end of New Moon you arguably could have skipped directly to Breaking Dawn (Victoria being the sole plot thread dangling). But despite that, I always found it the funnest movie in a popcorn flick sort of way. It arguably had the most action of any Twilight flick, and the drama was over the top in a telanovela sort of way. It was dumb fun.

[@Yana-qq7yc]

I actually like how some are x-men. It's cool how some details of their human lives are amplified. I get Edward (empathy), Bella(protective), and Alice's (gut feelings) the (other three from that picture are all how they used to manipulate other). But how the hell do get to control all of the elements?

[@shadeddreamer6864]

This video reminded me that Michael Sheen was in Twilight.

[@stevencundy4501]

And was automatically the best part.

[@user-dj4cq2ru9v]

Rami Malek as well!

[@Schlimmscht]

God knows I love this man but his laughter in breaking dawn 2 keeps me up at night

[@nessyness5447]

but luckily now we have good omens, so we can see him in a good role and show.

[@gou0630]

I remember when I went with my friends to watch this movie, they got mad at me when I burst into laughter at some scenes. I apologized but seriously glitter vampires?

[@robertdullnig3625]

I think the books were pretty popular before the movie. And I never heard anyone describe them as "Harry Potter with Vampires."

[@entertain7us148]

ye i think the biggest thing to take away from this is that Charlie is the best character in Twilight.

[@noelbernabe8704]

I might have agreed prior to Eclipse. But once he congradulated Jacob for sexually assaulting his daughter, he lost a lot of points in my book.

[@ZerudaDensetsu]

I read the books, it’s for teenage girls. The books are boring for adults, I’d rather read twilight again than read 50 shades of grey.

[@davidwilson8432]

5:43 NO. the witches in harry potter world have no strong reasons to hide from muggles too. the muggles pose no threat at all to the witches; it's even laughable. it's the contrary. the muggles attempted to burn them, but if any, the fire just tickled them (when harry read "history of magic" in the first book) voldemort wanted to rule the muggles out of racist hatred; so did grindelwald (he even rose better and stronger arguments for it). and they could do it easily and like Alexander Yordanov said in the comments "The Volturi in the story acknowledge that modern human weapons can actually kill them. We never are told what exactly can harm them, but power scaling these creatures means that most anti-material rifles, flamethrowers, tanks, APCs, HMGs, rockets, missiles, nukes, grenades (depends on filling) can kill them. Pistols and shotguns and less powerful assault rifles would likely be of limited effectiveness. "

[@cait3196]

you could bomb wizards.. they mention the history of some muggle/wizard war a long time ago which is why american wizards are even more strict w their magic use.

[@literallygaston2489]

Caitlyn Malfoy But why would anyone want to bomb wizards is my question.

[@caitlynr7295]

RzultaMorda Religious people, especially in Abrahamic religions, still often beat or kill gay people because their holy books have a few lines against homosexuality. Those same holy books are WAY more upfront with their hatred of witches/witchcraft. Do you really not think religious zealots would want to destroy them? And use the average person’s fear of the unknown to convince the general population that wizards are the enemy? Because I could definitely see that happening.

[@liv97497]

I mean, it's not amazing, but it's not the worst book I've ever read. And it's by far not the worst teen romance I've ever read. I also think the first movie is the best adaptation out of the bunch - it's moody and weird and kind of emo, and everything my 13-year-old self wanted out of the movie and loved about the book. Also the soundtrack slaps. That counts.

[@Fazikku]

"why does James bother to keep himself hidden" literally next sentence: "the Volturi kill off all vampires that threaten to expose their existence to humans" also idk if you've read all the books/watched all the films (if you're gonna do a video like this, maybe you should?) but Aro mentions in Breaking Dawn that humans have given birth to weapons that are powerful enough to kill vampires, most likely meaning nuclear weapons. so their immortality is no longer a given. also also, like others have pointed out already, KStew's not a bad actress. Bella's just a very plain, bad character. it's hard to play a character like her well.

[@sunstream4]

while I don't imagine any governments are about to nuke Italy just because there are a bunch of vampires, that's actually a fun explanation. reminds me of that episode in buffy where they fire a rocket at this 'all-powerful' vampire lol

[@Potassiumkloride]

I'd argue that Bella isn't truly a plain or bad character in the books, it's just that a lot of her personality is conveyed through the internal dialogue the reader is privy to due to the writing being from her POV. Bella is the kind of character who has a lot going on in her thoughts, but doesn't show a lot of it externally, which is fitting for a character who's meant to be average. Unfortunately, translating that to film meant they had to cut out a lot of what made her interesting and they really didn't bother to add something to replace what was lost.

[@eveelima1]

I don't think it would even take a nuclear bomb to kill a vampire. A potent regular bomb could do it, although I'm not sure how fast bombs really work. It could be fast enough to set a vampire on fire if they are not prepared for it. If their entire body is on fire I'm pretty sure they would die.

[@jimie6838]

im sorry, the semi-multi-incestuous love triangle relationships of the mortal instruments are not better than twilight.

[@fangirldreamer748]

jimie Crab Gal there are many books that have to do with the overarching universe. So if you dropped the books you wouldn’t get to know more of the universe or the characters.

[@jimie6838]

@@fangirldreamer748 i guess they get better after some time, everyone can get better with practice, but still, the first books are not better than twilight. if they're not equal in bad writing and bland characterization, the mortal instruments might be worse, since i really can't keep with the incest-not-incest thing going on with claire-jace-sebastian or whatever. You can say its a theme or just a plot device to get cheap drama, but it happened twice. Claire smooched her 'brother' twice and its weird that it happened twice.

[@jimie6838]

its two times too many

[@raitorino7520]

@@jimie6838 I agree. That whole subplot was just drama for drama's sake just so they could have a reason for not being together after Alec was okay with it. It sucked. I don't really remember well if they ever got together after finding out they were "siblings". There was just some weird tension going on and I honestly couldn't care less because it was so damn obvious they would be together in the end and it was all just a lie blah blah.

[@jimie6838]

yeah, if it was one time of the drama for drama's sake, but then you have sebastian. I really dont know why cassandra kept making claire kiss her siblings

[@ariitheway]

Twilight was bad, but not THAT bad. Nowhere near the level people tried to make it seem. It was just sort of a your average mediocre romance. But I would just like to point out tho that at no point does Edward isolate Bella from her friends. Neither in the books nor the movies, especially not in the books. In the books, he encourages her a few times to spend time with her human friends and even makes an effort to "try to be apart of her world" by sitting at lunch with her friends and attempts to befriend them. Bella is the one who isolates herself; from what I remember, she didn't already feel much of a connection with the people she met in Forks and after falling for Edward, becomes super enamoured with him and his family and just wants to be with them all the time. It's not healthy at all, but that's kinda on her.

[@politereminder6284]

12:40 I think you confuse 50 Shades of Gray with Twilight. Edward was creepy, but not controlling if I remember correctly 🤔. He didn't want to have sex because of 1) his religious /cultural beliefs concerning extramarital sex combined with 2) his desire to protect Bella from physical pain of sleeping with a vampire 3) his protection of Bella from the fate of becoming a vampire and thus "losing her soul", again, a religious belief he holds. 27:14 saying that he holds it over her head to manipulate her and claiming that Abrahamic religions place blame for sexual deviance on women is also a huge misinterpretation.

[@julieeverett7442]

well considering 50 shades WAS a twilight fanfic first, no there was no confusion!

[@thechainwarden]

@@julieeverett7442 Because fanfic is so well known for strictly keeping with the intentions of the source material.

[@flebflimpson9082]

I remember at one point Edward prevents Bella from leaving her house to visit Jacob by disabling her car, so there's one solid example of him controlling her. I'm pretty sure this is in Eclipse, but I don't remember where exactly. If he truly wanted to protect Bella he shouldn't have started a relationship with her in the first place, and he completely ignores that the Alaskan vampire group has sex with humans without hurting them regularly

[@politereminder6284]

@@flebflimpson9082 I don't remember any of this. 🤔

[@flebflimpson9082]

@@politereminder6284 Eclipse, pages 61-64 for the whole "Edward disabling her car" thing. There's a scene in Midnight Sun where Edward talks to one of the Denali vampires about how she became a "vegetarian" so that she could sleep with human men without killing them, not quite sure where that is in the book. The twilight saga wiki mentions this visit as being in the original draft version, so it's not new content. From the wiki: "The three sisters then searched for pleasurable company of men to deal with their loss, and subsequently are the originators of the "succubus" legend; a demon in the form of a beautiful woman who has sexual intercourse with men before killing them. Eventually, they grew lonely over the years by the scarred pain of their deceased mother and some of the men they'd killed. Tanya decided to try a vegetarian diet to see if she could gain control to avoid killing men while sleeping with them. The method proved effective, and Kate and Irina joined her. The sisters then relocated to Denali for its wide population of animals, and they learned to avoid killing men during sexual intercourse over the centuries."

[@jojoolagues5371]

so basically, jacob was simping the whole series

[@reagame8700]

The Way of Kings is an amazing book! Brandon Sanderson is my absolute favorite author.

[@neoriv9468]

C´mon... you were expecting just that, when you include that option.

[@RenaDeles]

I was always very annoyed at people who got stuck on the sparkling for example. Vampires are one of the most flexible fictional creatures, and it's a shame how homogeneous it's gotten in recent times It's not a very useful feature, but nor was a lot of the traits Dracula has in the book. And a hell of a lot of the mocking rang of the standard treating teenage girls as the butt of all jokes. Joe the middle aged dude can be way into football and it's fine, but heaven forbid a girl be allowed to have fun. The books are bad, but still with better quality writing then some other things they get trashed with, and I love the movies dearly for being the interesting messes they are.

[@vihaze6725]

I completely agree. People trash everything that teenage girls like. Meanwhile, men and boys get away with liking the dumbest shit.

[@msjkramey]

Exactly this. Thank you!

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I'm fine with the sparkling myself. Makes sense because it'd be more difficult to write a vampire-human romance story. If vampires can die simply by being exposed to sunlight.

[@raexrockstar]

Tbh the overwhelming hate towards the sparkling aspect always confused me. Like it’s not a horrible concept. In fact it’s one of the few things that came out of twilight I even liked. I was kind of vibing that cool new take on vampires as a teen. It was beautiful and I can see how it would be great for attracting humans towards them. But alas it’s always the most hated aspect apparently 😂

[@courtneythompson6179]

RaexBear I it came from the fact it made vampires less serious/scary

[@jeongyeonandnayeonarelover1582]

Tbh fanfictions are way better than the movies itself lol. And I only liked Jasper and Alice as characters and the volturi was the only interesting thing lol.

[@garrondumont7891]

I completely agree with your assessment of Meyer pushing an agenda as marriage being the be all end all of life, even as an LDS myself. I think it's fine that she wants to write characters with certain values, but I don't like that she uses that to push an agenda. It feels like she's silently judging people who aren't members/perfect members of church, which is ironic considering she wrote a sex scene. Let people live how they want, and don't judge, it's not your job. Above all else I think writing should be realistic, and the way she deals with marriage/sex isn't imo.

[@Selet101]

11:40 they did deal with the would be rapists. It's never explicitly brought up in the core book of Twilight, but there was a line on the news the morning after that attempt about a Lonnie being arrested. It's expanded upon in the unfinished Midnight Sun book where Edward and Carlisle tracked them down after he dropped off Bella, and Carlisle drugged them and dropped them at the police station.

[@TheRukisama]

Honestly, after watching the movies with Rifftrax a few times (which were hilarious), I have to admit that beyond the sparkling, the vampire and werewolf lore in the series is actually...kinda cool.