Stupid Internet Gun Stuff - Pretty Hollowpoints

[@jonnytaylor8215]

I was told the gel is just to have a standardized test, I’d say something like Paul Harrel’s meat target is pretty scientific. Or a pig carcass?

[@jago668]

I like his, because it has bones in it. Everything that you need to hit in a person is behind bone. So makes sense to me.

[@tomrkba4685]

Gellatin is good for comparison between rounds and checking performance in gellatin. It gives an idea of behavior, but as he said: coroner reports are more important.

[@CoGhostRider]

I looked up the reports of the hydra shock bullets and it was ridiculous how many people were shot point blank and still didn’t die. If that bullet hit anything hard there was a very high chance that the person shot could still harm you.

[@jman0701]

Keep telling it as it is!!!! Bullet placement first ..., everything else is secondary by a mile.

[@alexcardosa8079]

Placement that is what matters unless the round is so big that limbs come off when hit.

[@Drakkmar13]

There is a fellow on KZbin that uses a "meat target" to test hollow point expansion. It seems about as close as you can get to a clothed torso as you can get.

[@justsomeguy3931]

In his book "Guns, bullets, and gunfights" Jim Cirillo talked about the same thing. How any time he, his partners, or guys on the Stakeout Unit shot someone, they were always eager to see the autopsy and poke around to examine the effectiveness of their bullets. It creeped out the morticians, who dubbed Jim and his friends "the ghouls." If you wanna learn good stuff about revolvers, Jim's books are excellent.

[@JB.1371]

What about the Hornady Critical Duty with the polymer tip to prevent clogging?

[@0neTwo3]

Death blossoms..... the first flowers delivered to a funeral 😉

[@josie4065]

Wow I never thought of that before.

[@mchenryjeremy]

I have always thought the lighter loads expanded better due to velocity and thinner material. Which is why I shoot 100% 115gr loads. Target and self defense loads. Thank you for confirming.

[@scorch2020]

This is james yeager reminding you that your responsibility to talk Common Sense never ends

[@mithrandir1313]

the original intent for the 556 was a tail heavy bullet with low spin rate so the bullet would turn sideways upon entering the enemy and cause bigger wound channel...

[@The-Skinn]

How does one access these reports? I don’t think autopsy reports are public records.

[@timothybarber9849]

Still my favorite video. It’s like getting advice from the grandpa that gives no fucks about your feelings.

[@jme92685]

We miss you, James.

[@thomasmcozart1093]

James, Just wanted to say thank you so much for stopping by our booth yesterday.

[@blacklove79]

Great point

[@emeraldguy6494]

Thats a very good point. Ive heard you mention corbon a few times, and I'm curious; is there any real life data available on the efficacy of their pow'rball handgun ammunition. More specifically, is there any conclusive evidence that the ballistic tipped hollowpoint works correctly more often than the open hp ammo? Thanks

[@RemingtinArms]

Still carry good old 9bple. Super light, super fast, super long track record.

[@stevevanhorn9275]

Thoughts on the extreme penetrator bullet? The one that looks like a Phillips head screwdriver and is a solid bullet? Seems like a winner to me....retains 100% mass, goes deep, and tears up a nice wound channel. No doubt shot placement is key, throw a buick at them in the propper place and game over

[@480i2]

THANK YOU. That stupid ass RIP round is the perfect example of this.

[@wmcwane01]

But where do we find these said coroner reports?

[@rickquist3992]

Try finding a coroner's report that goes into specific details such as, "115 gr Federal HST +P fired from 12ft through a 4" barrel"! I've had *no luck*

[@clemsonalum98]

The firearms industry reminds me of the martial arts, there is so much woo woo nonsense and so many experts and so many jelly donut commandos who know a “death touch”. These videos are really helpful to cut through the bullshit.

[@bassboy99091]

Proper hole placement is better than any ammo selection put the hole in the right place

[@thomaslopez2427]

Thank you for this! Didn't realize the expansion rate was so low.

[@Da219StarWarsGuy]

Hmm, I wonder how my coroner will react when I call him up and ask that question? Lol

[@Customsouthernarms]

No phone call needed. Use the open records act request. As long as it isn't an active case you're good.

[@josie4065]

Your coroner? After you're dead? LMAO

[@Da219StarWarsGuy]

@@josie4065 we elect the coroner in our county. So yes, my coroner.

[@cml44spec1]

Elmer Keith who was the gun guys gun guy used to test his loads on game. the gelatin gives us a relative testing medium. the guy I learned to load from was an undertaker for 50 years. that give great insight

[@fathernsoncarsngunsfscg9747]

I would like to see you test the Lehigh defense Xtreme defense and Xtreme Penetrator rounds against the Corbon to see which is better in all conditions. IE with clothing, barriers and such.

[@zachaklysdefense2274]

As folks have said , shooting stuff is fun . Sometimes that's all it is . Collecting good data points is often really tedious . Thanks for helping to explain the mythology behind bullet development and testing

[@sabotagecat573]

I’ve never considered that point of view. Thank you for your perspective.

[@keyup2626]

Absolutely you’re 100% correct it’s the damage done to human flesh, it’s the damage done to sinew fat bone and internal organs is the best example of a hollow point bullet. But we have a lack of volunteers to test them on lol.

[@real_fjcalabrese]

I didn't know that human beings consisted of only flesh with a consistent density.

[@fullfire0]

Gel is organic and has bones and stuff in it for an average density, including bones and everything else a person has. It's not 1 to 1 but it is great to compare one round to the next. What performs well in gel has a correlating effectiveness on the street

[@thomasginter2827]

I know shot placement is key. But what handgun calliber would you recommend? What handgun Cal bullet kills with the least amount of rounds fired?

[@bigclen5206]

James is dead , but he would ALWAYS recommend 9mm for the simple fact of being able to put more shots on target quicker.

[@BaconSlayer69]

He did say that with modern ammunition they do all the same 9mm is recommended or 45ACP

[@motomogul4023]

James, I had been using Corbon since I got my carry permit in 1995 but can't seem to find it locally anymore (DE). Any suggestions? Thanks

[@motomogul4023]

Thanks

[@ssspencerjr]

@@TacticalResponseCrew I didn't know they went out of business, but I just looked up their facebook page and they posted 18 hours ago from Shot Show saying they're back.

[@glocktard-ei8is]

What do you think about the Underwood extreme defender class of bullets.

[@BigJon94]

I'm enjoying this series. You're really cutting the crap on all this stuff.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

I do my best.

[@UnApologeticPatriot]

Serious question. If hollow points are so unreliable in their expansion (and I'm agreeing with you that they are) why hasn't something like the Lehigh Defense extreme defender gotten more traction? Again, just off of gelatin tests for comparison, I've seen them deliver consistent penetration with good temp and permanent wound cavities in the gel, again in comparison to hollow points. Thanks in advance for the info.

[@rogerdarev7374]

Been enjoying the videos. Still working on getting the money to take some classes. I was wondering though, if we were to put some ammo up for a rainy day is it better to put up some hollow points or would the FMJ be alright? Just wondering you thoughts. Im thinking either is good but also thinking you can get a few more FMJ's for the same price. It would be what I practice with. Keep up the good work and hope to take a class soon.

[@modernmarksmanshiptraining9706]

Took a deer with a 124 grain gold dot +p this year at 50 yards and it opened but that's a sample size of 1 so not exactly a good test Haha

[@jacobmccandles1767]

The gold dot was the bees knees in the 1990s.

[@JulietBravo90]

When you do your gel tests, would you consider testing Winchester white box hollow points/ Remington hollow points to see how they work compared to the high end ones?

[@surveillanceoperatorzero1569]

i carry the corbon 115 grain +p in my canik

[@mohamadaisha5260]

James i like you . You know what you talk about and not just talking to talk. I want your opinion on the ruger 1911 45 auto hand-gun as a personal defence pistol.

[@carlmillinder2704]

I get what you're saying, but at the same time, I'd expect older bullet designs to be more prevalent in coroner's reports than something expensive or new, just because it hasn't had the time to even out yet.

[@elijahanderson6736]

I got Hornady XTP 115 +p for stupid cheap. Bought a ton, shot it, it works. It’s in my Glock 19. Don’t even think twice about it. I got training and practice often. People get to caught up in feeling cool and loooking pretty

[@thomasmcozart1093]

Very good point sir.

[@carloparisi9945]

Do you remember the "Strasbourg test"? I still feel sorry for those animals to this day. Was it even true?

[@ramonanzures9780]

9mm is a good cartridge but also overrated in terms of performance

[@timcoleman2371]

Just came across this first time. This is great information except for one fundamental flaw. Not one coroner’s report was posted.

[@RustyKnucks]

Like on those ancient weapons testing shows that have a gel body n bones n organs and they look crazy hit they hit em with stuff

[@budstermcgreen6360]

Totally agree...I've done some "testing" on deer..and most bullets do not perform as advertised..I've had federal .308 hunting rounds just blow straight through an animal. Believe it or not..the best one I've seen through my 30.06 was Remington corelock...dumps all energy on impact and can usually find the bullet. Some however just hit bone and explode into many pieces. As you said..shot placement is everything. ✌

[@jacobmccandles1767]

There is no 30-06 or .308 150gr - 180gr classic cup-n-core bullet that will fail to perform if placed in a deer's vitals from more or less broadside. I have tested this over 170 times, and the results have not varied.

[@lanchesterrailfanner266]

Knowledge is power. Thanks again.

[@bryanoliver5550]

Those Add`s sure are confidence builders , some people may even sleep better at night , best of luck to all you out there .

[@DrtyDiesel]

What's your opinion on people who brag about "This round has xxx amount of energy". I think a lot of people get hung up on velocity and energy rather than looking at real world results.

[@DrtyDiesel]

@@troydodson4837 you got that right.

[@EveryBodySucks100]

DrtyDiesel I would agree with you to a degree, I mean mass x acceleration is energy, and yeah, sudden deceleration, penetration, precision matter almost as much, so I would from my limited experience carry the fastest or heaviest round I can shoot good with. Not having a monster round even if I shoot like a fag with it, nor bringing a pea shooter to a .41 magnum fight.

[@EveryBodySucks100]

Troy Dodson Can't argue with that, as Papa Clint once said "Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns at the right distance with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit and spray it on the floor". God bless his soul.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

People that have training don't say silly shit.

[@JosephVeee]

@@troydodson4837 with that ridiculous level of thinking then all rifle rounds suck. bring a damn 30mm GAU cannon if you need to fight... or an M777.

[@zszs123]

Sheer knowledge and wisdom thanks for your teachings sir...

[@LucianLacroix]

Please do one on frangible ammo.

[@JacobJones-sd6ly]

Speaking the truth tip gets clogged with anything an those types of bullets will not expand like people thinking hollow points will punch thru anything an tears shit up not all the time hell not even half the time lol

[@douglascuvillyed.s8211]

Federal HST??

[@jadedclone6728]

Just love the content. Are you Clint Smiths nephew or something? You guys speak very similar and are like minded.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Just friends.

[@ericday2072]

Which defensive round do you use ?

[@elblancobasura]

Corbon's of some kind. "That's why I've carried Corbon's for over two decades." @ 1:55

[@ericday2072]

Thanks, I went back and listened again.

[@ericday2072]

Thanks

[@BaconSlayer69]

9mm or 45ACP

[@goldrushpro]

300 WinMag with Nosler ballistic tips ALWAYS expand :)

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Negative

[@goldrushpro]

@@TacticalResponseCrew It was just a joke - but, seriously - every deer or elk I've shot with this combo, the bullet was turned inside-out ;)

[@cursethefall]

I think ballistic gel tests are the scientific ones and actual shooting through meat and bone are the real deal.

[@justinwest7765]

The hollow point whoha is mostly marketing hype, I use hollow point rounds but I could really care less if it expands or not, the shot placement and amount of shots is what kills bad guys not your overpriced special silver vampire killing Bigfoot flipping hollow point. Couldn’t agree more Yeager! Thanks!!

[@kodiakarcher]

James you are right and wrong. Gel doesn't always prove and you are correct on that. Where you are wrong is believing coroner's reports. Sure you can look at this but scientifically the rounds sold the most are always going to show up. It's a unintentional bias. Of course the round that is most sold is always going to be the most affective just because of the numbers so that alone makes a coroner's report invalid as far as it being a fact. But to be honest there is no good way to prove one round being better and you kind of admit that and kudos to you for saying it. If it was possible, and you were able to analyze different rounds used by the military and see which ones expanded the best then perhaps one would get good valid scientific results.

[@kodiakarcher]

@@newerest1 not what he said though. I agree he never said number but he just said coroner reports and i take that as the number not the damage done.

[@tripleog9557]

James I like the info cuz u always try to shoot us straight . I can’t wait to come and take some classes as soon as I get some free time. Thanks for the content....👍🏼👏🏻😊

[@Jason-id8nc]

How many coroners reports do you have on gorilla silverback James?

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Several

[@Jason-id8nc]

If you had a choice, would you carry the gorrila or corbon if you could still get it.

[@SierraBravo347]

Bullet Nerds put WAY Too Much thought into this shit....like you said, getting shots in CRITCAL AREAS is what Kills. A bullet's a bullet. The heart or Lungs or Arteries DON'T CARE what kind it was......

[@ChadHuey79]

To bad 357 sig never got popular. Sounds like it's the best bullet for the job. Small and fast.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

It's horrible.

[@ChadHuey79]

@@TacticalResponseCrew why is it horrible? To fast? Over penetration? Something else? Just curious.

[@JerryMac007]

'What really matters is coronors reports ' ...... keep it simple brother

[@ShootinArn]

James, when you do your gel tests, find some slabs of pig ribs with the skin on them and attach that in front of the block.

[@Deltron6060]

I carry Gold Dots because it works for police.

[@JoshuaDomoslai]

Except humans aren’t made of gelatin. They wear many layers of thick clothes, with a layer of skin, fat, muscle, bones, fluids etc

[@tristanr8597]

So, pig carcasses?