Jamie's Luwian Hieroglyph That Makes You Say Moo |

When we presented Jamie Fraser with the task of choosing the 'Best Bovine Object', he went a little left field. Not only did he choose something not instantly recognisable as something relating to cows, bulls or oxen, but he also chose an object covered in ancient hieroglyphics that AREN'T from Egypt. Regardless of any of this, it's still one of the beefiest objects we've ever come across. Watch to find out why
Curators Cornered is a series born of necessity: a necessity to find the best object of every conceivable category from the British Museum Collection... also we were all stuck working from home...
Don't forget to like this video if you'd like to see more from Jamie and the Ancient Levant and Anatolian Collections.
#CuratorsCornered #Heiroglyphics #Moo

[@britishmuseum]

A number of you have asked where you can learn to read, or just learn more about, Luwian. Jamie's recommendation is: Hieroglyphic Luwian: An Introduction with Original Texts by Annick Payne ISBN: 344706109X, 9783447061094 The aim of this book, in the author's own words are: 'This book has been written for beginners studying on their own and assumes no prior knowledge of the subject. It begins with the history of the language and its discovery and decipherment up to the present day. It contains a clearly structured concise grammar which offers much original material on Luwian syntax. Twelve reading exercises introduce the basic grammatical principles and are carefully graded to allow the reader to build up a knowledge of common signs and vocabulary as well as giving a broad introduction to Hieroglyphic Luwian literature. Grammatical analysis, commentary, vocabulary notes and a revision section accompany each text. Additionally, the book includes the most extensive up-to-date vocabulary available and a complete sign list. Both will serve the reader as invaluable tools for any further study of the subject.'

[@ElmoRitter]

Hey quick question, how do you acquire your artifacts? It's something I've always wondered about. Were they donated? Purchased? Thanks :)

[@sean659]

How about return the artifacts you looted? You Brit have no shame to display looted items. Are you proud you looted so many stuffs?

[@chegeny]

These videos are so thoughtfully presented. It's obvious how much the creators love their collections.

[@patyeaman]

I love the passion in the eyes of BOTH of these curators when they talk about the items in their care. Congrats to the British Museum for finding (and hiring) these people and for creating a platform for them to share their knowledge with us in such and enjoyable way. (Of course Irving Finkel is among these superstars of passion, fun and education.)

[@adaman-tathair-siorai6555]

The manner of reading is fascinating - from right to left, then directly underneath and back to the right - and something had not come across before. And congratulations to those people who Disliked the presentation before it even began: you're special.

[@setavulos]

I love seeing more attention on ancient Anatolia! Luwian hieroglyphs are one of my favorite writing systems and it was great to see Jamie talking about it. :)

[@censusgary]

That’s pretty cool that a calf’s head represents the sound “ma,” while an ox’s head represents “moo.” Please tell me they used a cat’s head for “mew” and a dog’s head for “arf.”

[@helenamcginty4920]

In England dogs say woof woof. Here in S Spain they go wow wow. Human versions of animal noises seem to change but this is mooooo. Lovely.

[@pallasproserpina4118]

Many linguists actually think that the Egyptian word word “mjw” meaning cat, and the name of the Egyptian mau, one of the first domesticated cat breeds, comes from ancient Egyptians mimicking the sound cats make

[@censusgary]

@@pallasproserpina4118 “Mau” was the ancient Egyptian word for “cat.” And “the Great Mau” was part of the Egyptian pantheon.

[@JaesadaSrisuk]

In Thai, the word for “cat” is แมว, which is pronounced “mæw” - basically, “meow”.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Where do you come from where they say "arf" for barking?

[@manorueda1432]

I've already said this in the other video, but here it is again... it's funny how you both managed to include some reference to Irving Finkel in your videos 👍😉. Man, you can certainly sell ice cubes to an Eskimo... that was the most contrived and twisted way to present a cow related object that I could have imagined. Well done! 😄

[@ramona14220]

The cuneiform said "vote for me"!

[@geekdivaherself]

@@ramona14220 Nah, it said, "Vote for mmMOOOOOoooOOOO!"

[@Geraldine76]

Thank you so much for this subject matter! I was not aware of any of this and now I have something new to dive into. Those glyphs are so beautiful. And thank you for expanding my vocabulary 😄🙏🏻

[@youremakingprogress144]

Sorry, but I'm liking both videos. I love the information and Jamie's personality and presentation, and the animations added a lot of fun. I love this channel.

[@britishmuseum]

Round Moo of Curators Cornered has begun! If, as some of you have expressed, you really want to like both videos, we'll post a Community Post Poll after both videos have Premiered,. We''ll take both that and likes into account when totting up the votes. If you're looking for Julia's Best Bovine it's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIPRoZ1vm7qJhLM Happy voting!

[@classicambo9781]

Thank you and loved the T-shirt.

[@sean659]

How about return the artifacts you looted? You Brit have no shame to display looted items. Are you proud you looted so many stuffs?

[@tuchomendez]

Really enjoyed the video and the whole series of the #CuratorsCornered.

[@donaldasayers]

Boustrophedon also explains why we read right to left and other Arabic cultures read right to left despite having common roots, a fact that is hard to explain otherwise. I traverse a supermarket using a boustrophedon and mow the lawn in a similar manner. There is some evidence to suggest that reading a boustrophedon is quicker as we waste time going back to the start of the next line. I am rather fond of the word.

[@Bamx333]

This is really cool! More of these pls!

[@ramona14220]

Julia's was good,but "Makes you say moo" did it for me.

[@jeffkeith637]

Yes that mootivated ma vote also.

[@jimbrittain402]

So as he's talking about the boustrophedon, didja catch how they reversed the frame? I see what you did there!

[@britishmuseum]

5 points to Jim! I originally had the frame physically flip, but then thought that made it too easy.

[@martyheresniak5203]

I did notice he started out 'reading from the top right' using _his_ right. When I learned educational methods way back in the ancient mid-20C CE we were taught to reverse from our perspective to the viewer's perspective during lectures. I still do it to this day. I noticed the 'corrected' direction, but didn't notice it was not he who changed it. The frame flip was an easy way to correct. We also learned to write on blackboards without taking our eyes off the class, but British Museum audiences are so well behaved that is not necessary.

[@sayeager5559]

I liked them both, rules be damned.

[@jodywetmore8702]

Excellent video. Such a handsome curator as well. Xo

[@willowfarmer6550]

Please continue this series! One of my favorites on KZbin

[@thinking_toomuch]

Great to see that the quality of green screen has improved so fast😁👍 Good job 👏👏 Also, I love Nick's shirt💜

[@DianeKovacs]

I love them both. I slightly prefer the Firedog but I can't not vote this one up also.

[@DianeKovacs]

Beloved...

[@tamaracarter1836]

@ملقرت ملك صور Why are you so triggered that people like the Firedog (I’ve seen 3 of your comments on this video saying similar things)? If you cannot see the value and wonderful appeal of the other ancient artefact, then you are very ignorant indeed.

[@charlotteillustration5778]

Fascinating, thank you!

[@lovingmayberry2000]

Fascinating!

[@mrde0mrsai]

This is truly delightful!

[@MH-sk8qs]

Well presented in great detail. It was a stretch which you led us to, to reach the /ma/ and /moo/, but worth it in the end. A convoluted trail of Moo is a worthy consideration.

[@geekdivaherself]

Moo-trail! Dunno why that makes me laugh.... Maybe because every moo-trail is also a poo-trail....

[@jwash7614]

I think that is Super Cool! Keep up the good work. Thank you for all that you do. :-))

[@madaug5101]

This is absolutely terrific.

[@RealSalica]

That was so interesting , I never heard about it before .

[@susanwoodcarver]

Sorry mate...gotta vote for the smiling cows, and the woman who used pipe cleaners to describe the iron age. Brilliant!

[@robertcochran7103]

It is very worthwhile watching this video. I've watched it twice so far and will watch it some more, but this time writing notes as I go. Long years ago I took an elective class in high school about the ancient Egyptians. It touched a little bit on the peoples of Mesopotamia and there is so much to learn about these ancient peoples. Perhaps Jamie can tell us more about the king Pisiri and how he ruled. What was it like to live from day to day in his kingdom?

[@seharmon]

As an historical linguists working on an Indo-European language family (Romance), I have to pick this one! I never knew of the Luwian Hieroglyphs; now I want to learn more!

[@HiharaKazukisan]

Wonderfully explained. Like listening to the next Irving Finkle! Looking forward to more Luwian curse words thrown at the Greeks by the Trojans? 🤯Mind blowing. Always thought ‘heliographs’ only referred to ancient Egypt.

[@singing-sands]

I liked your brilliant attempt, but liked the smiling cows just as well (if not more 🤔) Mooo!

[@cj4631]

My winner....fascinating and related to the theme in a brilliant way. I imagine the brief was a follows...”you’ll need to find your best cow related object”....”oh I have waited so long to share this with the world!” ...there are other reasons for clicking like here but they are completely unrelated to the battle and of a wholly personal nature ha ha

[@julesschultz2910]

This is hilarious and so exciting at the same time!

[@joedavis4150]

... British museum, interesting. Thank you. In case your people are on the ball, the most interesting bovine related article would be a psilocybin cubensis mushroom, which grows on cow pies. It is now known that not just humans eat these mushrooms For entheogenic experiences. The cows eat them too. This is likely partly why cows are so calm And well adjusted.

[@joedavis4150]

... Continued... and the cows will have been eating these magic mushrooms for longer than we humans have. This is why cows beat us out for calmness and Sanity.

[@njones420]

You should read "in Search of the Magic Mushroom" by Jeremy Sandford, very interesting book! :)

[@njones420]

@AAH Replies as my dad once told me "you don't have to learn all the edible mushrooms, just the few that are poisonous" ... he is a toxicologist though. We only get psilocybe semilanceata in the UK as far as I know, but usually in "patty-fields", and same deal.

[@juliaconnell]

Oh this is *tough* - I learnt so much from this - (well from both) - and I really like knowing NEW stuff - the language - the way it is read - and the cows are cool & so important to these people, their culture, they're included in this royal & godly (hmm more goddessly 🤔) inscription

[@susansouthern6704]

Nice job Julia but this was so much more fun so this time this one wins for me

[@stepstar6187]

Mooooooving! ❤️BM curators corner

[@finndre]

love this! moo

[@mch12311969]

Can't say that this makes for the best bovine artifact, but I do appreciate hearing the history of it.

[@martyheresniak5203]

I want to live in Jamie's mind. So long to set up the joke, so groaningly worthwhile when he gets there.

[@Jess-bee]

😂 this gets my vote, absolutely!

[@le13579]

Wonderful, thank moo.

[@msaditu]

Loved this so much! I would give it 10 likes if I could.

[@martyheresniak5203]

Why didn't these curators cornered videos continue? They're so much fun.

[@RealUlrichLeland]

love the asdf shirt

[@Raatcharch]

I like every video and I'm not sorry about it.

[@juliaconnell]

Really enjoying the setup:- the ominous voice was silly pins & other humor - looking forward to round two ! Did we get the results from round one? (Though i think that was a gemme since one curator had an existing fanbase)

[@momostewart9771]

Fascinating, but I'm loving the pipe cleaner replica. Sorry. Moo-ooo.

[@californiaclaire8558]

I LOVE COWS! So this was a no brainer for me!!!!!

[@lorawaring883]

cool

[@2bit8bytes]

Much better than the Firedog imo. But both are very interesting.

[@SpeakShibboleth]

You know, this video was more interesting to me but it was significantly less cow related so I liked the other one.

[@anonymousanon3055]

Lovely vid, informative and well presented and the choice of object is fun! (Also beside the point but i love the I love trans shirt!)

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

Hi. Jamie. (Hello from the USA). You're really cute and I love your passion. Without seeing the second object, I'm going to vote for you now. *Best Bovine Object*

[@Tabtabtabtoycollection]

The like is for the trailer hahaha so compliant to labour law 🥸

[@Tabtabtabtoycollection]

A-🐮-sing

[@geekdivaherself]

@@Tabtabtabtoycollection I see what you mooed there.

[@bacul165]

Wow. It's been years since I last heard the word boustrophedon. Such a cool word, too... Anyone got an idea how to casually use it in conversation?

[@saxlaxdm10]

It only makes sense for Jamie Frasier to be a historian/archeologist. As a time traveler, he would know a lot about the past.

[@mojosbigsticks]

Irving Finkel!

[@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647]

the hieroglyph bowl with the feet mean to bring

[@alocino96]

This time i will vote the other video, mostly because she went out of her way to make the model of the fire dog that depicts cows, but i must be honest this time the choice was really difficult both objects were really good, and both pertinent to the theme for this week videos. let's wait for the next video, and is there going to be a loser bracket in the tournament ? this way we can have more videos.

[@geekdivaherself]

Brilliant and mooving suggestion! Curators, don't be cowed by the extra work and throw a ranch in this suggested plan. Just get some calfeine and horn right in on the finals!

[@juandavidrestrepoduran6007]

Idk how or why but I want Mr. Finkel over here

[@wolfiemac32]

Hilarious 🤣

[@Acquavallo]

Just gotta say that Nick has beautiful hair

[@britishmuseum]

Cheers dude, I grew it myself!

[@sean659]

@@britishmuseum How about return the artifacts you looted? You Brit have no shame to display looted items. Are you proud you looted so many stuffs?

[@ShepStevVidEOs]

Does having an archaeological site in 2 different countries make it harder to dig there?

[@ashleighg.3366]

Honestly this makes me a little upset about ancient kemetic because the only cows we have referred a pharaohs and that's like the atheist bullet all that or the sacred cow from spell 17 from The book of the Dead but hathor who's depicted as both the wife of Horus and some mythological groupings but she have her own hieroglyphics is mood too like that I mean sorry my favorite animal actually is a cow as well but that's just that's the coolest thing I've heard today!

[@professorsogol5824]

And to inaugurate that staircase, King Pisiri would have had a hecatomb.

[@nilo70]

I think we have a winner

[@philliumo]

I don't know, that seems pretty tenuous.

[@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647]

hook and horns Tx U, even though I bleed Crimson and White Roll Tide

[@Sunflowrrunner]

Love the host's shirt.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@margo3367 firstly why is someone's identity political Secondly do you realise how stupid the sentence "politics have no place in a museum is". Thridly why are you so adverse to having to think about it, doesn't it show you how fluid gender is that this guy wearing a t-shirt alone, made you question what sex he was born etc.

[@tres7733]

So, anyone has some suggestions on a manual to learn luwian hieroglyphics? Happen to be watching this video after encountering some rare seals

[@britishmuseum]

Just spoke with Jamie, and apparently the best starting point is: Hieroglyphic Luwian: An Introduction with Original Texts by Annick Payne ISBN: 344706109X, 9783447061094 Description of the book is: 'This book has been written for beginners studying on their own and assumes no prior knowledge of the subject.' So it sounds like a really good starting point.

[@tres7733]

@@britishmuseum thank you very much!

[@sean659]

@@britishmuseum How about return the artifacts you looted? You Brit have no shame to display looted items. Are you proud you looted so many stuffs?

[@maaritlarinen9056]

Aside from the interesting topic, I gotta say I appreciate the shirt - I just came out as a trans woman last week and just seeing a shirt like that pop up randomly in a video about nerdy subjects I care about is just what I needed right now!

[@geekdivaherself]

Congrats, sweetie! I wish you and yours well.

[@cindypagano]

♥️

[@classicambo9781]

Tough times now and ahead but hoping this is a massive step towards being truly happy. Much love, hope and strength to you and congratulations!

[@thornsilverhollysong1715]

I feel the same as a nonbinary trans man. What a nice bonus to an interesting topic!

[@rhoddryice5412]

Who won the last matchup?

[@britishmuseum]

The Sue-perb Medieval buckle

[@rhoddryice5412]

@@britishmuseum The buckle got my vote. And I like the approach this time with combining likes and a poll.

[@sean659]

@@britishmuseum How about return the artifacts you looted? You Brit have no shame to display looted items. Are you proud you looted so many stuffs?

[@sybilvane645]

I liked the idea ( fact) that that primal sound went back so far.

[@Stakersitaemo]

Devuelvan el moai 🗿🇨🇱

[@teddysalad8227]

“Sexiest cow related artifact”. Some things should remain in your private life.

[@ankhailick]

Moo

[@jakobraahauge7299]

Is everybody working at The British Museum just unreasonably attractive?

[@orsettomorbido]

Nice shirt!

[@sjain8111]

like your shirt Nick

[@kena3234]

The shirt distracts from the subject of the video

[@WontonTV]

❤ to the video guy for the pro-trans shirt!

[@patavinity1262]

That T-shirt is 10/10 cringe

[@sunitathind8440]

What about giving back treasures plundered from lands not belonging to uk!

[@christianfrommuslim]

The trans shirt, or other political slogan, is not appropriate for this setting.

[@MarkMackenzievortism]

That T-Shirt is going to age badly.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

How? Trans exceptance is going up

[@josephinemiller68]

I don’t hate trans people. But why do I have to think about it when I want to just learn about history? Inappropriate, dude! That would be like wearing a T-shirt that said I love Jesus while Introducing these videos. Why?

[@martinc9215]

Hate the t-shirt as it conflates the work of the museum with intersectionalist posturing. I’m sure I’m not the only person who is sick and tired of this. If you are what you are, you don’t need to keep ramming home the message to all and sundry.

[@geekdivaherself]

You're making a mountain out of a moohill.

[@martinc9215]

@@geekdivaherself time will tell.

[@user-ur2po3vp2u]

from time to time it's just nice to see someone acknowledge your existence, you know.. You dont have to understand, but it's also not doing you any harm, so just keep walking.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Firstly I don't think you know what intescectionalist means Secondly by you making this comment you are posturing more than him wearing the shirt. Thirdly you are sort of proving the need for this. A T-shirt in 2 videos of 100s of videos, has a joke t-shirt in it and that means it's being rammed down your throat, because 1 t-shirt in 2 video upsets you.

[@ArimaSenne1]

im trans and i agree with you lol

[@twdll]

Trans on your shirt. OK. But stop trying to shove it down everyone's throat. No pun intended.

[@sandrat9309]

@Did I think? The answer is no you didn't!

[@Whoiskevinjones]

The "I Like Trans" t-shirt offends me and has no use in these videos posted by the British museum. Please keep your woke politics private.

[@MissMagic]

No need for political tshirts dude even if it is "pride" month.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Why is someone identity inheritantly political?

[@sandrat9309]

sorry someone's identity is so political to you

[@suzaynnschick158]

Eh, it took almost 10 minutes to get to the point. Pass

[@user-sw5bq3ek8q]

00:57 HITTITES ARE NO RELATED TO TURKS. HITTITES HAD BECAME HELLENIC SPEAKING POPULATION, SINCE HELLENISTIC TIMES. WHEN TURKS CAME TO ANATOLIA FROM CENTRAL ASIA ( 11TH CENTURY), HITTITES HAD ALREADY A GREEK IDENTITY, LONG BEFORE. LEARN SOME HISTORY

[@creepykylie1017]

You are telling qualified historians and archaeologists to 'learn some history'. Also he never said the Hittites were related to the Turkish people, just that they came from the area that is now known as Turkey.