Jammed stabilizer after departure | Southwest Boeing 737-800 | Baltimore, Real ATC

[@tomriley5790]

ATC was hugely polite and understanding. Great work! Love that he also declared an emergency for them :-)!

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@creigiihtondenynis39]

You are so correct! If you cannot fly the airplane as advertised and have run through the specific check list declare an emergency and put airplane on the ground! And especially in light of recent accidents with jammed and run away flight controls (elevator/Stabilizer) caution with these particular failures is so important!!!!

[@wandanedd9392]

@@YouCanSeeATC èeè

[@Valor_73737]

As a retired SWA pilot I can say professionally and perfectly handled by the crew and ATC.

[@hollymrhodes]

The first controller is my husband! He’s a good one.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Yup, he is.😎👍

[@gunnyd8135]

You married a pro. Kudos!

[@johncox4273]

Tell your husband he did an excellent job!

[@mikeybhoutex]

Constructive criticism... I would not interrupt a current situation with a 'coming soon'. Very jarring. We'll be there to watch it, no need to do that, but if you must, perhaps at the end or maybe beginning, please? Thanks.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Appreciate that, thank you.

[@rcdogmanduh4440]

Got to agree, sort confused me for a second or two.

[@omaralamoudi6301]

If I hadn’t read your comment before watching, I would have been so confused lol!

[@TomCook1993]

I second the OP

[@leedizzle3321]

Yeah, that really doesn’t work here. Thanks for listening.

[@todd9324]

I do not know anything about aviation but all parties sure seemed professional and confident in their duties, very comforting.

[@Celtkin]

Wow, the controller did an awesome job I loved that the pilot monitoring gave the controller kudos!

[@nightdesigns395]

Props to that controller for staying way ahead of the situation.

[@MichaelKingsfordGray]

Says the anonymous infantile coward.

[@irisfields1659]

Good job

[@chrisstromberg6527]

Except he cleared the crew to intercept a LOC that was NOTAM'd OTS, LOL. Otherwise they all did fine.

[@blancolirio]

Good grief!! Declare the Emergency Already!!!! (The controller is doing it for you).

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Hey, sometimes it happens. Thank you for your comment 🙂

[@OTRTrader]

Im glad this ended the right way, but still, memories of Alaska Air Flight 261 instantly come up. 😥 ✈️

[@magmorales842]

Great, well trained pilots and a blessed airline makes the difference in an emergency. 🙏🏽

[@davidp2888]

Great work by ATC and the pilots.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@thefloodist]

@@pubgpickle 100% that guy was like chatting about his thoughts while they're trying to do checklists and then giving them constant 10 deg heading tweaks. Atrocious really.

[@Milkmans_Son]

​@@pubgpickle The flight was 55 minutes long, so it's not the controller you should be annoyed with.

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@YouCanSeeATC The comments by​ @PUBG Pickle and @thefloodist should be telling you something.

[@johncox4273]

@@YouCanSeeATC I thought ATC did a fine job. Very calm and collected, as was the crew. True, there was lots of chatter, but the crew and ATC wanted to keep near the airport, and ATC had to give them vectors to do so. Since SW never declared an emergency they did not totally clear the area of other traffic and ATC needed to understand when they would be ready to land. The fuel and souls on board question is for crash rescue planning and is usually asked if the situation is not dire. I was a bit surprised that the controller didn’t know or recall that the localizer to 28 was out of service, but SW reported the airport in sight and was cleared for a visual approach, which doesn’t require lateral guidance. Just use the old eyeballs! I think that with a stuck stabilizer having some vertical guidance would have been helpful, which I believe is why the controller mentioned using the RNAV approach to 28. This safe outcome is why pilots and controllers do all their training. 😎

[@cargone6428]

Top shelf Approach controller!

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Yes, i like him too. Great job. At first I wanted to do a title based on great work if this controller but later i decided to concentrate on the issue.

[@dianericciardistewart2224]

It's always good to know aircraft is safely back on the ground! Kudos to all!! 👍✈✈👍

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@SeligTiles]

A jammed stabilizer is a flight control problem.

[@shreddder999]

I was extremely confused by that engine failure call in the middle of the video.

[@kx4998]

that seems to be another video that is coming soon. Kind of weird to put it in the middle of the video.

[@ahgflyguy]

I like the difference between the mostly casual vectoring and then the landing clearance. "yeah, just turn wherever, altitude is your discretion, I'll try to keep the cessnas out of your way" vs "okay, we have to use the precise words for landing clearances because the runway is a lot smaller than the sky"

[@toddw6716]

That’s good ATC work

[@UAL320]

This is absolutely an emergency situation. I’m shocked they didn’t declare right away.

[@thomas.leitner]

Well as such videos and explanations of pilots show: When the situation allows to run checklists, then the emergencies are declared due to the checklist. The controller vectors them anyways, while they try to fix things by the checklist, before triggering the whole emergency process on >>the ground

[@UAL320]

@@thomas.leitner ….Ever been in a 737 simulator with a stabilizer problem? Didn’t think so…… This isn’t a redundant flight control failure, like failure of A or B system. Yes, there is a checklist for jammed stab, like many other abnormals, but as we saw with Alaska 261, a jammed stab really ruin your day….or your life.

[@thomas.leitner]

@@UAL320 "Ever been in a 737 simulator with a stabilizer problem"... these pilots are in an actual plane and are able to judge and deal with their problem. "a jammed stab really ruin your day", sure, and it's not like a declared emergency would fix this other than having trucks standing by.. for hot brakes..

[@cjmillsnun]

@@thomas.leitner The aerodynamic forces on the aircraft are huge. Whilst they may be able to judge and deal with the problem, for now, an untrimmed aircraft is a flight control problem and is going to sap the energy out of them as can be heard by 3:38. I hate the US term "Declaring an emergency" because people only think it's for an immediate risk to life in ICAO terms a MAYDAY. That was an emergency situation but in ICAO terms would've been declared as a PAN-PAN. Meaning, something is broken, we're going to need to land ASAP, but we can handle it for now.

[@thomas.leitner]

@@cjmillsnun Hmm, I am actually not sure why you are explaining me this. I just said the controller handles this as a PAN-PAN from the beginning.. The emergency procedures on the ground >don't< help with the "aerodynamic forces on the aircraft", and are only as much of a help when the plane actually >lands

[@bobstern7827]

Looks like they flew over my house on the Eastern Shore. Glad that they had safe landing and the controllers were excellent.

[@N1120A]

The controller asked the fuel and souls questions so smoothly. What a pro.

[@Lee_Lee1776]

The controller did outstanding.

[@billmorris2613]

Good evening and HAPPY 4th of July to all from SE Louisiana 4 Jul 22.

[@kevinheard8364]

Please, no trailers... it "degrades" the "authenticity" of your channel

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Just tried for the first time.

[@N1120A]

@@YouCanSeeATC I think a trailer at the end would be fine, but it was very intrusive in the middle.

[@ilikenothingtoo]

I like that Baltimore tower was 100% some from Baltimore.

[@ExaltedDuck]

I'm less than a week away from boarding a cross-country flight on Southwest... I'm not sure whether to be concerned or reassured. Concerned, because something like this could be indicative of broader maintenance issues but reassured because that crew (and ATC) handled it like true aces.

[@Milkmans_Son]

The math says this flight should have no effect on your confidence level whatsoever.

[@Porsche4life]

Your last statement should decide that the pilots and arc did great. I’m sure in the back of Everyones one’s head there is that intrusive thought that my plane could have an issue but don’t cloud your judgment with things like that! You’ll be good 👍

[@gregorcutt1199]

Southwest has had exactly one--ONE--passenger fatality in its entire history. It's the safest major airline in the country.

[@ExaltedDuck]

@@gregorcutt1199 that's one of the reasons they're my preferred carrier. Used to always go JetBlue before I flew much but had a job a couple years ago with enough flying involved that JetBlue's itineraries just weren't cutting it (LAX to PIT via BOS was just no bueno, especially with the BOS-PIT leg in an Embraer - and my legs jammed injuriously into the seat back in front). Also, as a pretty big guy, Southwest's kindness in that regard is something I've never seen before.

[@kenknowles51]

Listening but not watching the video... for a minute throught dang they're having a bad day - then realised it was a tailer!

[@YouCanSeeATC]

I'll try to show that situation in the next one

[@sarahalbers5555]

I thought ATC did a great job, pilots, too.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@CounterFleche]

Seems like transponders should be updated to transmit fuel remaining and passenger count (entered by Pilots prior to rakeoff).

[@christerry1773]

What “degree” was the stabilizer stuck in? I would think that what would play a large role in terms of controllability. Aside from the stress on the controls, could you apply some level of elevator trim to help counteract?

[@MichaelKingsfordGray]

Elevators are stabilizers as well!

[@ExaltedDuck]

Alaska Airlines 261 is a pretty famous case where bad maintenance work led to a jammed elevator on a 737. The air crew was able to compensate briefly with the trim control, but then the jack screw that controls the elevator stripped completely and doomed the flight. It will ultimately depend on the perceived problem and the flight crew's training and skill to determine best course of action but if they're able to maintain stable flight in their present state, sometimes it's safest to leave it be and limp home.

[@kenneth6382]

@@ExaltedDuck Thanks Duck, i was literally typing same thing.....sounds like a TRAGEDY avoided huh?? I bet left & right seat were on MAX PUCKER!!

[@bucc5062]

@@ExaltedDuck Are you sure about that 737 statement. As I remember it was MD-83 with a t-tail. It was tragic and the movie Flight was loosely based on that accident. Of course Denzel and Hollywood made inverting a success. Fun fact, they tried that accident in the simulator and it turns out they would not have been able to complete the inversion in time to save anyone.

[@kevinfinnerty8414]

The Alaska 261 pilots noticed a problem right away after leaving Mexico. But foolishly didn’t turn around and land. Instead troubleshooted their way into the ocean. If I get on the freeway, and notice something unusual with my car and it’s not performing properly. I don’t keep driving. I get off the damn road.

[@jamesjohnson8661]

I live in Baltimore and had no idea Tracy Morgan was atc here

[@dougehrhard6307]

That Departure controller must have had a copy of the SW operations manual.

[@kevin1873]

Atlanta Center, this is SouthJet 227. We are inverted. I repeat we are inverted. SouthJet 227, did you say inverted?

[@mjaviation17]

Scary when I have been on that aircraft just a month prior…

[@RLTtizME]

How would one even remember that.

[@bboucharde]

Folks: Please clarify: (I am not a pilot.) I presume that a jammed stabilizer (as in Alaska 261) is different than a jammed stab *trim.* Please confirm or correct me. Thanks.

[@TjeRod]

The stabilizer is to 'trim' / 'balance' the aircraft during flight. So, generally, a jammed stab or a jammed stab trim is the same.

[@bboucharde]

@@TjeRod TR, Thanks.

[@eugeneroberson1153]

Excellent job by all involved. It would be nice if there were no commercials or ads for upcoming videos, etc

[@Crafting_Through_Life]

Unless you're going to cash app them hundreds of dollars per video they need to get paid for their hard work.

[@johnsturges3139]

What great controllers!

[@herkloader34]

I’m truly not trying to armchair quarterback this one, but I’ll never understand the hesitation to declare an emergency for something like this. A jammed stabilizer is a flight control malfunction. They ran the proper checklists, informed ATC of the situation, and made the right decision to return. However, flying in circles at 4,000 feet with an unknown stab situation sure constitutes an emergency.

[@Harry_Gurvich]

Like the channel, just subscribed, but must tell you i didn't like the promo at 1:20. meant as constructive criticism

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Thank you. I put that for the first time.

[@msjdb723]

I pay 10 bucks a month to never see a KZbin ad. Might find this annoying here if it weren't for the fact that You Can See ATC is obviously unable to function as an air traffic controller in Ukraine anymore. So I'm all for him getting all the contributions he can!! But I did get your point.

[@pontmercy8]

Yup really annoying I don’t always watch the video and just listen, a very unwelcome interruption.

[@RLTtizME]

Would you be interested in buying a slightly used Hoover vacuum? Call me.

[@raylopez99]

Wow I don't know much about airplanes but it seems the pilots were resisting declaring a mayday / panpan until forced into it by the ATC. They kept their cool tho, give them credit for that. SW Air flights old planes to save money and perhaps this is the reason for the jammed stabilizer?

[@ThatWasLoud]

What’s the QRH checklist for a Jammed Stabilizer?

[@CLR2TKF]

The pilot on the radio sounds 100.

[@donnafromnyc]

ATC both departure and tower superb over real time which was 1 hour. (This vid condensed)Departure extra helpful and gave SWA plenty of time to work the checklists, sorted out the long runway, positioned emergency equipment right at the start, plus kept SWA out of the way of other VFR traffic. Checked and communicated the out of order localizer right away on the long runway they needed. BWI is not a JFK but busy traffic control area.

[@pesto12601]

Why didn't they just put the plane into a hold pattern rather than give vectors?

[@Milkmans_Son]

Traffic?

[@pesto12601]

@@Milkmans_Son Nope - even if other planes were in a hold - the pattern is made for multiple planes to hold. Also, there are other holds available for the area..

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@pesto12601 Is the pattern made for multiple planes both with and without flight control problems? He asked to maintain 4000, for vectors around Baltimore, and a 15 mile final... and that's what he got. But you know better.

[@speedomars]

SWA906: Just got a jammed stabilizer. < THIS IS A USELESS REMARK. Which stabilizer? Vertical or horizontal...it is CRITICALLY NOT THE SAME. If vertical the worst that happens is a little yaw. if horizontal then they cant climb or descend.

[@tkeuvelaar9689]

It is impossible to have a jammed vertical stabilizer on a Boeing 737. It’s fixed and doesn’t move. You are confused with the rudder. The worst that can happen with an uncommanded rudder input is loss of aircraft control. These pilots were calm, maintained aircraft control, followed the QRH and landed the jet safely on deck. That’s a win.

[@speedomars]

@@tkeuvelaar9689 If true then it proves my point, unless he noted the horizontal stabilizer was stuck then it was not possible to understand the nature of their emergency.

[@Mr2white2fight]

I think this might be a case of ATC overcomunicating

[@festivus6466]

The flight was actually an hour in duration. This was condensed to 7 minutes, so that’s why it seems like a lot of over communication.

[@Mr2white2fight]

@@festivus6466 gotcha good to know

[@jeffrose5622]

If you aren't going to declare emergency then just proceed to your destination! Do pilots get a bonus if they don't declare emergency?!?!

[@zidoocfi]

Am curious to know if any airline pilots reading this thought that there were too many small turns thus bugging the pilots every minute or two, or whether this was better than a small number of bigger turns on the order of 90 or 180 degrees.

[@adamrosales3617]

These arc recordings are sped up

[@davidbeckenbaugh9598]

Were they trying to 'avoid the Cessna's'?

[@alexdaley7616]

This flight was in the air about hour. So, all the "action" you hear in this 7-minute video is massively condensed.

[@RLTtizME]

Or a smaller number of bigger turns or alternatively a larger number of smaller turns combined with an average number of smaller turns with only occasional bigger turns worked in between the smaller and average turns, not withstanding smaller turns take less time than bigger turns but bigger turns can be less irritating to all concerned but bigger and smaller turns should take priority over ease of communication in those instances where average turns can not be logically used.

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@RLTtizME Thanks for clarifying.

[@the3rdid485]

Without knowing enough, it SEEMS like all those constant minute turns and course corrections would add to radio traffic and flying workload for the pilots and be constant interruptions if they're trying to checklist items. I feel like it would be better to just put them on big long legs like an oval? Basically like a holding pattern.

[@Lee_Lee1776]

I think the creator sped up and/or cut out dead air.

[@alexdaley7616]

As Leslie notes, the recording is massively condensed. According to FlightAware, this flight departed at 8:46am and arrived back at BWI at 9:54am. So, this was about an hour-long flight that got condensed into a 7 minute video.

[@Hopeless_and_Forlorn]

We have a jammed stabilizer but the flight controls are okay? Not really.

[@jalanperak]

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I wondered if a "jammed stabilizer" isn't as bad as it sounds.

[@N1120A]

What they quite obviously meant is they were able to control the airplane in a stable manner.

[@cjmillsnun]

@@jalanperak It's horrible. It's an untrimmed aircraft.

[@jalanperak]

@@cjmillsnun I see :-) In fairness, when I hear "jammed stabilizer" I think of Alaska Flight 261, not a jammed trim tab

[@Sjacoby2]

@@jalanperak On Alaska, the Stabilizer was separated from the jackscrew, different system (MD-80) . On the 737 a jammed stabilizer just means no elect. trim, have to manual trim. The FO's arm gets tired. Stay slow.

[@errorsofmodernism7331]

I wonder if it was a737 jackscrew failure again LOL

[@rallyden]

I wasn't there but when one is in such a predicament why are pilots so shy on just declaring an emergency. And in this case to state the opposite....not at this time. It is a common trait of pilots to downplay the seriousness of their troubles, or delay the inevitable.

[@rtmdlawncare5774]

Paperwork. Reporting. If it’s not needed it’s not needed. Situation was always under control just a jammed control surface.

[@markg7963]

Well, other than getting some ATC priority, there is t really any advantage to declaring the emergency. ATC is already doing their job of keeping us clear of traffic, but truth be known, we shouldn’t think like that. Because all the other entities need as much heads up as possible. I personally like to get all that squared away at the beginning as much as possible. But when these things start out they are very chaotic. And interruptions in dealing with outside entities can be very dangerous if we don’t get the flying part right at the beginning. So that’s why you see so much variability in how these things play out. Circumstances and people change. It’s very dynamic. Never the same thing twice.

[@chrisstromberg6527]

Your number one job is to "FLY THE AIRPLANE", it takes precedence over radio communications, and pretty much everything else! It may seem like they are ignoring the air-traffic controller by not being forth coming with information, but there are a multitude of other things that need to me done before talking to ATC.

[@thomasdalton1508]

Does anyone know if the autopilot can handle a stuck stabiliser or would they have been hand flying that whole time? That's a heavy workload if you are hand flying.

[@ltpenniss6691]

depends on trim function

[@Steve-pk9ok]

I would fly with those pilots anytime.

[@JetStreamDream]

This will be reported immediately to the NTSB.

[@Milkmans_Son]

What will be reported?

[@JetStreamDream]

@@Milkmans_Son That they had a flight control malfunction. These issues should be reported immediately to the NTSB. www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap7_section_7.html

[@gpslightlock1422]

When pilot says stabilizer does he mean elevator? IIRC stabilizer is a fixed part of the aircraft, sort of like a fixed wing at the tail.

[@mar_man813]

He means stabilizer. The stabilizer actually moves -- this is how you "trim" the aircraft. Elevators are for pitch control. Stabilizer for trim.

[@cruisinguy6024]

No, the elevator is a different part of the aircraft.

[@PilotChris]

On these planes the whole stabilizer moves for trimming. The back of the stabilizer has the elevator which moves for pitch control. On smaller aircraft, the stabilizer is fixed and there is a small trim tab on the elevator for trimming.

[@shreddder999]

@@PilotChris not always. Examples: Piper Cherokee; Schweizer SGS 2-32.

[@PilotChris]

@@shreddder999 On those planes the whole control surface moves to control pitch, so it’s called a Stabilator and not a Stabilizer which is usually more or less fixed, unless in this case I guess on the larger aircraft where you can make small changes for trim

[@robertATC60]

I would declare emergency for this aircraft.

[@theHDRflightdeck]

100%

[@stevepackard8542]

Jammed stabilizer is what brought down that Alaska flight. I think it was a bad jack screw.

[@Sjacoby2]

@@stevepackard8542 That's not true,, uncontrolled stabilizer, big difference. You just have to manual trim. Not a big deal.

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@stevepackard8542 That wasn't a 737

[@ben_doom1958]

Ooof... stabilizer issues ... and it is no 737 MAX? Strange....

[@RLTtizME]

We were waiting for this comment and Benji did not disappoint. We would have been disappointed either way tho sweetie.

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@RLTtizME Now we just need to hear about how the merger made Boeing a bunch of psychopaths and all will be right in the world.

[@RLTtizME]

@@Milkmans_Son You are so much like your brother Charles. Sad really.

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@RLTtizME the first step is to admit you have a problem.

[@christerry1773]

Seriously! Did you really just go there?!!

[@msjdb723]

👍🏻

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@briansmyla8696]

Runway28 Cleared. To. Land. This Tower controller needs a gold star. None of this cletlan hurried rushed and mumbled bullchit.

[@Dstew57A]

a pan pan pan would have been appropriate

[@RLTtizME]

Screaming Mayday is the standard....mumbling pan is not. One can combine the two...I bet you didn't know that. Bottom line....IT DOESN'T MAKE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE. Thank you.

[@MrJONES925]

“ Pan Pan “ which means the scenario is urgent but not an emergency is superfluous. No need to scream Pan Pan , the pilot will just tell you the problem . It’s hardly ever used in the US. Controllers really don’t care if it’s urgent and there’s no priority service for an urgent matter. In this case the controller correctly declared an emergency after the pilot explained the problem . Saying Pan Pan is just not necessary

[@maesc2001]

I feel it’s getting crazier and crazier with those long checklists; plane can burn to the bone before landing. I know, I know, it was not burning…

[@chrisschack9716]

For a non-standard landing if not under time pressure, go ahead and take the time to do the checklists. If there's a problem making it urgent to get down NOW, do so.

[@maesc2001]

@@chrisschack9716 sure, get that, but, with all the computer systems to-day, I wonder why all the checking still is so time consuming. But, hey, no critique here to the pilots. Thanks for your answer.

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@maesc2001 The computers make the checklists longer, not shorter.

[@christerry1773]

@@Milkmans_Son you be often thought that too. Especially with Airbus, as fascinating as they are, the technology arguably makes things more complicated when there are emergency situations.

[@peteconrad2077]

@@christerry1773 not really. It means you have the checklist immediately to hand and get a handy summary of the aircraft condition at the end.

[@wandanedd9392]

3³èe

[@cruisinguy6024]

Absolutely asinine to insert the “coming soon” garbage. Put that trash at the end of the video if you must.

[@RLTtizME]

Just like the trash comments.

[@highflyerl23]

Don't do the coming soon shit in the middle of the video. It's fuckin distracting. You will lose viewers. Do it at the end or something logical like that.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍 Okay.

[@RLTtizME]

Call your Mom. She is quite put out with you....if not disgusted.

[@highflyerl23]

@@RLTtizME awww was that supposed to hurt?

[@RLTtizME]

@@highflyerl23 We see you are a masochist. LOL. Mommy was too strict...wasn't she...and you are still resentful all these years later. Give her a call sweetie. (She does not approve of your filthy commentary...tho.)

[@coonagh1]

Mayday, Mayday Mayday!!! Request a block altitude and take up a fuckin hold. This isn’t hard stuff!!! Cowboy pilots.

[@cedarkey]

It’s the gung-hoo way seen far too often among US carriers. Just declare an emergency and hold , rather than this ridiculous ‘headings’ nonsense.

[@RLTtizME]

Mom would like you to give her a call. You defile the family name. You are in trouble.

[@Sjacoby2]

@@RLTtizME Do you know the B-737? sounds like you don't

[@RLTtizME]

@@Sjacoby2 You are very confused Stevie. Perhaps these videos are not good for you. Go back to Facebook and see if that helps. Cheers.

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@RLTtizME He'll call his mom when he's done with your mom.