Z6 III vs R6 II | Nikon is the Clear WINNER, Or IS IT!?

[@victorlim5077]

Great comparison, Jan. Really hoping the bird AF comes to the Z6iii. I tested the Z6iii with the 180-600 and it was amazing.

[@jgates]

11:40 Awesome image!

[@bailey.nt86]

Great job with this video. I don't really think you can go wrong either way. It really comes down to personal preference. I shoot nikon, I have almost every ai-s lens ever made, so I still own Nikon DSLRs. I love manual focus shooting.(for everything besides birds 😂) After all these years even the Z8 feels right at home in my hands. Even if I was starting off fresh with no gear, I wouldn't hesitate with either canon or nikon tbh. Skill is the most important thing here. Actually the most important thing is having fun! I love shooting and photography. So give me any camera and I'll be happy.

[@jan_wegener]

Well said

[@mw-wc4vw]

If my memory serves me well, both Z9 and Z8 were upgraded to improve bird af. Really hope this will happen to Z6III, too. Great review!

[@TomJoseManikath]

Buddy, Kudos - You wrapped it very well. And seemed entirely unbiased. Thanks, and the absolute Bests

[@photographydiscourse1185]

Hi Jan - I really appreciate your comprehensive and non-biased approach to reviews. I know you were more of a Canon guy in the past, but unlike many other KZbin reviewers, you have always given Nikon an unbiased and objective review whereas many others can most definitely not say as much. Personally, I am a Nikon guy - been shooting Nikon since the 80's but I fully respect Canon and agree that all the offerings are excellent these days. Although I am not a bird photographer (I shoot portraiture, environmental portraiture and events as well as general photography), It is clear that any photographer who has any degree of skill should be able to "get the shot" with either of these excellent offerings. Your point as to deciding which issues are most important to any particular person's use case is the most important point here. Canon is no longer better than Nikon - Nikon is no longer better than Canon - Sony is no longer better than either of the others and vice versa - now there are simply different offerings from these different companies that all have slightly different design philosophies and the one that is best for any end-user is the one whose design philosophy best matches the end user's use case. Thanks for the interesting and comprehensive review/comparison! -PD

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

"Canon is no longer better than Nikon" at least for AF, this is still the case, although Nikon has finally woken up

[@photographydiscourse1185]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 By all rights Canon AF is not better than Nikon. It may be on the R6II as compared to the Z6III (and ONLY for bird photography), but it is not the case versus the Z8/9 and Nikon AF (if you know how to use it) is amazing now for general photography/event etc. and yes I have compared with Canon and Sony in these ways. Once again however, they are all excellent and getting the shot with any of them is no longer an issue, so what is the relevance of the discussion at this point anyway??? -PD

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@photographydiscourse1185 "but it is not the case versus the Z8/9 and Nikon AF" - sorry, most people who use both systems say exactly the opposite. You can love Nikon, but the facts are facts. I know about your microgroup of Nikonians, but somehow your members are dwindling, because they don't want to keep pretending that "Nikon is the best". Finally, it is also clearly visible on the market share - how much does Nikon have 11%? Canon 46 and Sony 32? That says it all... 😁

[@photographydiscourse1185]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 WOW!!! Not sure what you are objecting to here??? My general comment was how all the systems are excellent these days. You seem like a very small angry person to have reacted in this way. For the record: Market share and technical prowess are causally unrelated, so your argument is a fallacy and a joke out of the gate. I stated clearly that I believe all the systems to be great at this point - essentially offering different design ideology that leads to better or worse outcomes for specific use cases - nevertheless, one, with any modicum of skill, can get the shot for any use case with any of the offerings from all the majors; it is just that some may be more tailored than others to a specific use case. I wonder if you have ever used a Nikon Z8 or Z9??? You make claims like you know what you are talking about - but you obviously don't. Several serious birding/wildlife photographers that use all the systems have decidedly indicated that the Z9 is now on par and in some ways superior to Sony in bird AF mode for bird photography - see Wild Alaska - see Steve Perry - personally - I don't care as I don't shoot birds and don't intend to. That said, I have used all the systems for what I do, and I can definitively say that for portraiture and event the Nikons are, for all intents and purposes, as good at AF as their Sony and Canon counterparts - AF just isn't the differentiator anymore which I know kills Sony shills like yourself as this was what Sony shills always hung on to to 'prove' their superiority - while ignoring their obviously inferior mount and build quality (objective fact on both - not opinion). Again, I DON'T CARE - shoot whatever you want! Finally, as I have stated time and again - all the systems are great at this point and any of them now smoke any offering of just 5 years ago - so everyone is a winner - so you can celebrate and let it go. I am not interested in your response, unless it is civil and you can show some of your work - as you have stated you are 'familiar' with me so my work is not in question and can be easily found - I am curious what you shoot - what systems you actually have tried and why you are so upset? If you can be civil, we can have a discourse - if not... all the best. -PD

[@Mr.Deeds.]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 lol...these are bodies....that will eventually be replaced. I have an EOS R and it's AF is shit. Oh...but now they have the R6 and R5's and want me to buy their stupid expensive lens.....nah i'll pass...Although I stil have all my canon bodies and glass...I have moved on.....See the sales in Japan...canon is going down.

[@JaredHoyman]

R6 ii is a great bang for your buck. I suspect we will see some killer refurbished deals on it closer to the fall.

[@jburroughs6645]

Great video. I honestly think Nikon left bird detection out initially so they can add it in later during a firmware update. This will allow the Z6 III to be talked about again at a later date. Simply marketing. I like both cameras a lot. Can’t go wrong with either. I currently shoot Nikons but would have no issue going back to Canon.

[@philnind6702]

Was ready to buy the Z6iii upon release but no dedicated Bird AF was a deal breaker for me. Maybe reconsider if it gets it in a firmware update.

[@bigboi36]

its coming i heard. Nikon doing some tweaks.

[@carlmcneill1139]

There's a few other things to factor in. Canon may have more lenses for wildlife but some of them are slower lenses. I think one of their primes is an f/8 lens and another one is an f/11 or something like that. Nikon doesn't have any that slow. Most of Nikon lenses don't have focus breathing. From what I've heard, some of Canon's do. That can be an issue if you focus stack or shoot video. Nikon has done something with the z6 III to make it one of the best mirrorless cameras for auto focus on low light. I could be wrong but I think the bird detection will be added later. If you pair the low light auto focus with the bird detection you'll have an awesome affordable setup. One last thing, Nikon z mount can adapt almost all other brand lenses. So if Nikon doesn't have the lens you want you might can find it from another brand.

[@DidIDoThaat]

Thanks to countless months watching your videos I went witht the r6 markii. It was on sale for $2000 and with the extra money saved I bought the 28-70 F2 L lens. Although you use the r5 alot and occasionally r3 im a beginner photographer and this is my first camera and lens. Eventually ill upgrade to one of those.

[@sicr626]

@@DidIDoThaat begginers dont buy 4k worth of gear...if you find out this is not for you, it will be an expensive mistake :P

[@Kellysher]

It looks like a great rig. Congratulations! I’ve been shooting with the R5 for 2.5 years. There is still a lot to learn depending on what type of photography I’m doing. I shoot mostly wildlife with the RF 100-500. I can’t say enough good things about this lens. Sharp, light, and versatile. Can shoot macro- ish photos too. If you get into wildlife, check it out. It’s a financial stretch, but worth it. Happy shooting!

[@UnluckyNewbie]

No, because of canon - it sells like hot pie in used market ​@@sicr626

[@PaulBienvenu1]

the R6 ii has pre-recording in video which is a HUGE feature, no need of atomos Ninja + SSD + battery + cable + the weight and space in my backpack. No need to record continuously which is a pain ! Got my R6 ii like new for 1899€ while the Z6 iii is 2999€ in France. The price difference allowed me to buy the adapter and the 60-600mm sigma lens !

[@18yearsoldnot]

But with z6iii it has cfexpress so much less likely to fail and more video storage capacity… (like an ssd) . prerecording is only good for filming sharks jumping out of the water

[@PaulBienvenu1]

@@18yearsoldnot R6 ii has dual recording so it's not that an issue for a card fail I guess you don't do a lot of wildlife, it's very useful for a lot of scenarios, like a bird coming back to its nest every 3 hours

[@18yearsoldnot]

@@PaulBienvenu1 but evf on r6ii is shockingly bad so you will not be able to manual focus on a complex set of branches

[@Chris_Wolfgram]

Great video Jan :) I think if these were my choices, I'd probably go with the R6 Mk II + the 200-800 (which I should have in a week ! Whoo Hoo :) But instead, I will definitely be holding out for the R7 Mk II. Even if it were not "quite" as strong as these two full frame cameras in other areas, my number one priority is still reach.

[@TheChadWork2001]

Jan there is a battery grip for the R6m2. I have one. Did you mean you can’t get one in Australia?

[@lbeetech]

It's the same as the R5. He already has one, I suspect.

[@TheChadWork2001]

@@lbeetech It is. It works. Thanks.

[@TooGood79]

I think he meant the grip is not available brand new from Canon anymore. They stopped selling them since the new grips are coming out. He mentioned purchasing a Used version tho.

[@lbeetech]

@@TooGood79 Amazon has them brand new, so...

[@jan_wegener]

The grip was officially discontinued a while ago. That’s what I meant

[@SteveP_2426]

I'm sure both cameras are great and would expect the Z6iii to be in front in more aspects because it's newer. I can say though as a pretty inexperienced bird photographer I recently used my R6mkii with a hired RF200-800mm to shoot puffins and was amazed at how the autofocus and 40fps worked.

[@martingrierson1152]

Many thanks for your excellent and useful comparison

[@eugenegirshtel]

I was waiting for this video! Great job on the comparison. As a current Fuji shooter, I'll wait another 6 months before thinking about purchasing either camera.

[@steveparent8788]

Fair review Jan ! For me bird shooting is key so autofocus and dynamic range are extremely important for me so I would go with the R6 II.

[@michaelpeppersack8599]

I use the canon r6 m2 for my bird photography , It seems like the last camera for photos I will need

[@santhiraraj5869]

Hey jan you have access to the nya evo backpack, please do a review of shimoda action backpacks and compare them with the nya evo backpack if you can.

[@樹爸爸-b4l]

I am a beginner here and going to buy Canon R6 Mark II. What will be the best lens to take photo/video for school sport activities (e.g. tennis) and indoor stage performance?

[@j4kke046]

Curious as an R6ii owner 😃

[@cjm8160]

True. Always nice to know what the competition is doing

[@CraigEggleton]

Appreciate your balanced reviews.

[@jan_wegener]

Glad you like them!

[@bigboi36]

There is (somewhat) a third wheel for the Z6III. Assign the third (iso, Aperture or shutter) to the ring dial on the lens.

[@randallbrander8157]

I have been hearing for a long time of photographers wanting the Nikon Z6III. It finally came out and they didn't buy it for 1 to 1.5 stops of less Dynamic Range or not enough megapixels. I own both cameras and love them to death. I will say that I am more invested in the Nikon Ecosystem but it doesn't prevent me in trying other camera brands gear. I usually find problems but figure how to work around them to get the best performance. Important thing I enjoy is having the opportunity to use them. Cheers!

[@goldenstasgs]

Jan great review as always! But let me inform you. Readout sensor speed for R6m2 is 14,73ms, for z6 iii is 14,41 ms. Its almond identical despite partly stacked Nikon sensor.

[@timog7358]

great video. it was both informative and a pleasure to watch

[@Muehlema1]

I think Nikon has the avantage. I sold my Canon R6 gear for the trade size and weight. I was tired of lugging heavy gear to mountains and airshows. R6 with 300L is usm iii and 400f4 do ii, certainly is a great combo. But looking at size and weight, puuh. Now i got z6iii plus 300f4 pf and 500 f5.6 pf and both tc render excellen image quality. On to of this i git my 300pf for 600 bucks and the 500pf for 1000. Like new condition. While the two Canon lenses were over 3500 each 😉 Look at the nice 400Z4.5 its a gem. 1100gr weight. Try to find a native 400mm RF at 1100gr.

[@Mr.Deeds.]

I think people only see the canon AF advantage, as it's the best thing in the world. Certainly the Z6III AF is more than enough to take amazing pictures. You hit the nail in the head. Lenses are the most important aspect of any system. I'm a canon and Nikon shooter since the begining. I have always seen nikon as the best bang for the buck, with real quality lenses that can take a beat. Canon got greedy with all this RF expensive glass. Nikon has come out with very good lens and bodies at reasonable prices, and amazing quality. Any system is good enough. The weakest link is always the photographer.

[@baljindersinghsidhu3959]

I've used both Nikon and Canon.. other than faster AF in Canon, i don't feel Canon is better than Nikon.. Hence, I'm Nikon shooter now.. I am currently using Z6ii and will be switching to Nikon Z8 soon.. it is best in the league..

[@naturealbums]

Great review I prefer going with Z8 but I think the 4K120 in the Z6III is pretty important vs the R6II. The lenses! Nikon really have done amazing work for us bird/wildlife people. Canon gone a bit lame F9/11 is too slow for normal UK light conditions. I still prefer my old adapted Canon 300mm F2.8LIS and converters.. 600mmF5.6 and 420mmF4 still excellent sharpness.

[@lucianparshall8063]

Jan - when you get your R5M2 would you do a comparison of the in-body 4x upscale vs.Topaz upscale

[@thephotosandvideos1773]

Hi! What about rolling shutter with birds at electronic shutter?

[@jklbd4815]

Really great review. I personally think that Nikon is better and hope they add the bird AF then it'll be a even better offering... Love your reviews

[@jan_wegener]

Thanks for sharing

[@gaza4543]

I took the canon over the Nikon, just becasue of the DR problems the Nikon faces and other little problems with picture quality like pulsing shadows. The canon's AF from what I have seen is a little sticker as well but we're pulling hairs here both are pretty good for general photography cameras and If I where taking pictures of wildlife id use a higher MP sensor. Things id change In the MK3 body of the canon is it sorely needs a higher res EVF I came from a 5.6million dot fuji and the difference is clear. CF express slot, and a fully stacked sensor.

[@anthonystonehouse]

Do they have similar build quality? I noticed the z6iii is quite a bit more plasticy than the z8 and z9 plus I understand Nikon only gives a 2 year warranty while Canon has 5 years? So after sales support might be better either way Canon?

[@jss27560]

I'm still looking at the Z6iii in part I’ve been a nikon shooter for a long time. As you mentioned the Nikon doesn’t have a bird mode but if you look at the history of firmware upgrades by Nikon they add a lot of improvements. Not sure how Canon is on firmware updates.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

Canon has great AF out of the box, so no FW massage needed 😂😂😂

[@CORSAIR001]

It will be interesting to compare Nikon Z6III with the new Canon R6III. I have to buy a new camera specially for video. This Nikon or new Canon?

[@jan_wegener]

have to see an R6III first ;)

[@lbeetech]

There is a battery grip for the R6 mark ii, it's the same as the r5...

[@jan_wegener]

Yes, but it was discontinued

[@lbeetech]

@jan_wegener It's in stock on the Canonusa website, no mention of a discontinuation. They have plenty of old model battery grips available, FYI. That grip is available to whomever.

[@mitchellweitzman9329]

@@jan_wegener B&H Photo's product info states that the new BG-R20 grip (that just came out alongside the R5 MKII) is also backwards compatible with the R6, R6 II, and R5

[@cameraprepper7938]

For Landscape Photography I would get a Nikon Z 7 II (or wait for a Z 7 III), if I had the Nikon system, I would use a Z7 II for ALL kinds of Photography !

[@lesgregory4469]

they both have their place. I have both and although I seem to grab the Z 6lll more often now that may be just where its new, well I do see the advantage in the autofocus for sure, but I have to be honest I do miss the resolution when I use the Z 6lll.

[@shade599]

Both amazing camera

[@luka_III]

What do you need for forward facing screen?

[@brianmiller921]

I wish it weren't so difficult and costly to switch systems. I prefer the Canon bodies but Nikon lenses for bird photography. Why can't Canon put out faster lenses for bird photography? A 150-600mm f/4.5-6.3 or a 200-600mm f/5.6 or the PF style lenses at f/6.3. The 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 is ok but too short on the FF bodies and the 1.4x is awkward to use with it. For that matter why didn't they design the teleconverters to work properly with the 100-500 or at all with the 70-200? I often used a 2x on my 70-200 when traveling on a non-birding specific trip to get a 140-400 f/5.6 for when I would see a few birds while touring a city. I have been really disappointed by the lens offering since switching to Canon from Nikon last year. At the time I did it Nikon still hadn't released the Z8 or any decent birding lenses and then 2 months later they did. :(

[@brianmiller921]

@@codebunnies I shot Nikon for about 30 years but gave up on them when they weren't producing a decent mirrorless camera. The Z9 was out but I am too old to carry a full pro body anymore. I waited forever for the Z8 and gave up 2 months too soon. lol

[@brianmiller921]

@@codebunnies would be amazing if they did. From your fingers to Canon's eyes. lol.

[@christophercarlimages9003]

​@@codebunniesthey released the 400 DO II ten years ago. Looks like that ship has passed. Their answer to lightweight telephoto primes were those fixed aperture f11 gimmick lenses. Meanwhile, Nikon making incredible PF telephoto lenses. I wouldn't wait on Canon for anything.

[@roland-heine]

Great and excellent review. Thank you so much for your effort. Best wishes Roland

[@jan_wegener]

Many thanks!

[@baljindersinghsidhu3959]

For me, it would be Nikon Z6III, best.. Currently, I'm using Z6IIn in planning to switch to Z8 this month..

[@emptyskullify]

Appreciate if there were more footage of the EVF while you're shooting on the z6iii

[@pvlogs9572]

How to compare 2 and 3 ?

[@ADof28]

Right about time mate. Good to know that Z8 is best in class in terms of bird AF in video. I'm so fed up with my A7SIII which has no bird AF at all.

[@jonasgillmann]

I'm really tempted to go for the Z8 as well. I originally planned to buy the Canon R5 Mark II but I was shocked to find out that Canon still limits 8K oversampled 4K to only 30fps even though Nikon gave us 8K oversampled 4K60p YEARS ago and even Canons own R5C had 8K oversampled 4K60p. Canon seemingly artificially limits the R5 Mark II to protect the R5C and leave 8K oversampled 4K60p as an exclusive feature for this camera. Hopefully, Canon fixes that with a firmware update for the R5 Mark II. If they don't I will definitely get the Nikon Z8. I would prefer the Canon RF100-500 though as it's sharper and more compact than the Nikkor 180-600 and the Sony 200-600. Or I wait for the a1 ii from Sony but then again. The RF100-500 is a great lens so I hope that Canon gives us a firmware update for the R5 Mark II because I won't buy the R5 Mark II without 8K oversampled 4K60p like Nikon had for YEARS now!

[@ADof28]

@@jonasgillmann Both Sony and Canon have their cinema line hence limiting their hybrid cameras. Nikon doesn't have similar concern. Moreover, Nikon just bought out RED so probably will pack more video feature into their hybrid camera, either with new models, or preferably, firmware update? Lens option for birders is a big win for Nikon too. I'm really tempted.

[@bladerealm124]

Jan have you seen anything to suggest that the R5II bird AF in video has been improved? Do you think it will match or exceed the Z8?

[@SuomiFinland78]

Z8 is far to have the best autofocus.

[@jan_wegener]

I assume it will be very good in the R5 ii, too

[@photographerespengundersen8746]

i just got my nikon z6iii :) i can waite to test it out on animals :) thanks for the video :)

[@colintraveller]

Wonder if you've seen the video by an owner of a Z6 mrk 3 who shows issues when taken video

[@sergiofilippini9905]

The third wheel on the Nikon is on the lens, the programmable ring...

[@b.g.4277]

R5 MKii looks like it has passed the R6 MKII in AF and that is saying a lot. Can't wait to get your thoughts, but based on my limited experience it is a big upgrade over the original R5.

[@BrianHallmond]

Tempted to jump to Nikon. Can't believe the R5 mark ii still has the video to photo switch on the left.

[@borocotochacha]

Curiously KZbinrs never said how good Z6II DR was over R6 (Had both). After Canon been mostly real bad with DR, since launch of R3 and R5 is where Canon has catch up. Today not better DR on Z6 III is making much more noise than ten years of low DR at Canon´s.

[@michelecintramika8482]

R6 Mark II has DR.

[@borocotochacha]

@@michelecintramika8482 meant Z6 I or II (same DR ) VS R6 I

[@planetfun85]

They changed the paradigm. When z7 had the best IQ, it didn't matter.

[@markusbolliger1527]

As I need an all-round camera not specialized on wildlife photography the Canon is the clear winner to me. For that reason I changed from Nikon to Canon one year ago, and I never looked back. Canon offers three cheap primes with F/1.8 which focus very close to 1:2 - very practical, you will not find that in the Nikon line up. Also there are two rel. lightweight Canon RF 70-200mm lenses, one with F/4 and the other with F/2.8 - Nikon doesn't have a F/4 at all, and the 70-200mm F/2.8 is distinctly heavier than the Canon. Also the ergonomics of the Canon bodies is better than those of Nikon in my experience.

[@edowijaya8603]

Nikon z lens less price than sigma lens. Z 17-28mm f2.8, Z 28-75mm f2.8, Z 70-180mm f2.8, Z 35mm f1.4, Z 50mm f1.4

[@stesmith7373]

R6 mk2 has a dedicated battery grip or did I miss hear 🤔

[@jan_wegener]

It has but it was discontinued a while ago

[@stesmith7373]

BG - R10 is still available according to the Canon website ​@@jan_wegener

[@stesmith7373]

​@@jan_wegener. According to the Canon UK website the Battery grip is still available

[@skyrunr]

I would add that Nikon has much better firmware support and continuous development. Nikon has a handy ISO and exposure Compensation access option. This gives you the ability to reset them when you power off/on or change modes, and NOT have the settings not match the dials. We're living in a pretty exciting time for sure. PS Nikon has affordable native f2.8 "Tamrikon" zooms, and the 70-180 can be used with zTC's.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

"I would add that Nikon has much better firmware support and continuous development." Only because they were significantly behind in the case of Z9 as well (until FW4). Let's look the FW updates for the following cameras now, that they are competitive in the AF and video department lol

[@skyrunr]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 I have a very long reply I don't want to type out, not everything is an argument. The Nikon I's and II's weren't that bad, just not as good as the latest DSLR's or competition. People forget that they were late to the game, other than the N1 series. Those lit up end displays in the Target stores were pretty slick. Always buy a camera that does what you need today.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@skyrunr sorry, but if you are, for example in sport, "not that bad, just not as good as the competition" YOU ARE PRETTY BAD 😂🤣😆 "just not as good as the competition" is a definition of BAD lol

[@skyrunr]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 In perspective, we're talking 85% hit rates versus 95% or higher. I shot airshows, sports, and more with a Z7II and Z50 without much trouble. Often getting 92% hit rates. It is all relative to what you're shooting, your experience, and what your budget is. At the same time I wouldn't use a gen1/gen2 Nikon for weddings, but MANY have. But what works best for you. Japanese cars are statistically MUCH better than American or German cars (TCO,) but people still buy American cars. Peace, I'll be out using my "crappy" sub-par Z6III. LOL

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@skyrunr I shoot airshows as well and the keeper/hit rate depends on many things - first of all, on your position relative to the plane - incoming, passing by... You can evaluate how good the AF is especially in the incoming phase. Other thing is, are you always, where the others are? If so, nothing special, I am never - I don't need same images, as the other 200 guys. Another thing is speed of the aircraft, color of the paint, is it shiny or not... How well the AF focuses can be seen very well on the canopy - if it is clear, it is OK. Here and there family photos as well. Here you can see even better, what is the AF capable of - especially on the kids. How to say it gently? Nikon's AF likes eyelashes and cheeks... I don't really care if you use the Z6 III, that's not my business, but if I had to decide, I'd rather pay a few hundred extra and have a much better camera - the Z8. The AF on the Z6 III is not bad, but the same applies as in the last 5-6 years - Nikon lags behind the competition. It was different in the days of DSLRs. Happy shooting with the Z6 III :)

[@pgsanta]

Can't wait until the R6 III as Canon responds to the Z6 III.

[@lavawolf666]

Greate review

[@jan_wegener]

Glad you liked it!

[@destinyangel5]

R6MkII still with rolling shutter is limiting , It's the superior Z8 especially for birds and fast jets for sure no rolling shutter super fast shutter speeds even with the super high 45mp this is way better for cropping and Z8 price too close to Z6III in Australia and USA . D850 is now obsoleted by Z8 except D850 has the best 45mp dynamic range over Z8 for stills. Z6III is priced too high in Australia by over $500USD when asking price is converted $4500 this equals $ 2990.00 USD in Australia crazy price .

[@bsc001]

Prices will drop, give it 6-9 months.

[@sicr626]

R5 mk2? its cheaper than z8

[@bsc001]

@@sicr626 Often, people are in a specific eco-system, it’s not simple and easy to change to a new body.

[@sicr626]

@@bsc001 yes, im in canon :) i know

[@MilwaukeeMax]

Cropping is for cheaters.

[@stubones]

As an R6 ii owner I find it self defeating of Canon have sold the the camera on its speed, 40fps, pre-recording etc and then cripple it with a non stacked sensor. I get that they didn't want to make it too close to the R3, but the non stacked sensor is definitely an issue in use with the ES.

[@bigd7696]

I find that 40 fps just fills your card too fast, I prefer 12 fps. Non stacked is great for my uses.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

The lack of bird AF in the Nikon z6 iii is puzzling. That hurts the camera a lot and for no apparent reason (maybe the sensor readout ) I hope that is just that they found a bug and release a firmware update soon. The price is also high , taking. Into account that Nikon is the underdog. The camera is not for me , I see no reason to buy it over the Z8, in particular because I already have a zf for the moments I want to travel light mode.

[@Twobarpsi]

If I didn't shoot Canon, I would shoot Nikon. Great review Jan!

[@TBGTOMPHOTO]

At 4:20 you mention there's no battery grip available for the R6-II... yet you show it being attached to a grip just moments earlier. I think you meant the Z6-III.

[@jan_wegener]

It is available, but has been discontinued. So you’ll have to find a used one. That’s what I meant

[@TBGTOMPHOTO]

@@jan_wegener Oh! I didn't realize it's discontinued... I'm glad I bought one long ago then! :)

[@mcoffroadinaz4075]

How do I tell the Canon how many FPS that I want to shoot at with no mechanical shutter, or is it always 40fps???

[@dereklees]

Using Electronic Shutter High Speed Continuous Shooting + = 40FPS, High Speed Continuous Shooting = 20FPS, Low Speed Continuous Shooting = 5FPS

[@jan_wegener]

You can adjust it a bit

[@neelsfer]

The R6ii buffer size drive me insane

[@truthseeker6804]

use c raw

[@jan_wegener]

Yea, it’s too small for 40fps

[@sicr626]

Do u have the fastest card and craw?

[@blisteringbooks2428]

This video is fine if you are getting into photography, but once you have a few lenses you are unlikely to buy a second system. I have been shooting Canon since 1973, so it can be frustrating when looking at some other brands. My main interest is autofocus, sometimes the R6 really sucks, looking at the edge of the frame, and the R5 with the 200-800 isn't good in flat lighting, at times like that a DSLR wins. Only half the specs are not that important. As a pro motorsport photographer I was using the 1D and 1Ds for 12 years before upgrading. My reaction times gave me images no one else was getting, only now that skill is outdated, 120fps and precapture, even 8K video. Ho Hum!

[@demiphotomode]

Well R6ii is oversampling from 6k sensor so that's worth a mention when you say Z6iii has the edge 😅

[@livejames9374]

Z6iii has 6k oversampled 4k/60 as well

[@davidtheys6000]

The blackout is awful how can you shoot a camera with blackout all day? Would drive me nuts

[@cjm8160]

Canon give us that 4K 120 please!!!!

[@WestVirginiaWildlife]

I thought they both had a photo readout speed of 14.5ms, but I've read that the z6 iii has a faster readout during video (

[@livejames9374]

Z6iii = 14.4ms in 14bit photo / 9ms in video (6ms in 4k 120 because of crop) R6iii = 14.7ms in 12bit photo / 17ms in video (15ms in 4k 60) It would be cool if Nikon added a 12bit mode for even faster still sensor readout or higher fps/raw precapture.

[@dominiclester3232]

Such huge Canon bias, you can't help yourself. Supposing I want to shoot in Jpeg, did you mention 60fps or 120fps? Supposing I must have 14bit Raw files, what is the R6ii fps? Nikon haters are keen to talk about DR but did you once (in the three times you mentioned DR) mention it's the same from iso 800 onwards? Whilst looking at the P2P site page 1 DR did you bother to look at page 2 which is Shadow Improvement? The Z6iii is twice as good. I do use highlight metering on my Olympus and Nikon cameras and 5 stops of compensation can be useful...try to find either on the R6ii...Yep there's a reason why Gerald Undone calls this Nikon best in class! (Sony shooter with an open mind)

[@jonasgillmann]

I love the oversampled 4K60p, especially in the R6 II. The fact that their newer flagship R5 II does NOT have 8K oversampled 4K60p is a real disappointment. Have you heard anything from Canon about a firmware update for the R5 II bringing 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II? I planned to go for the R5 II but no oversampled 4K60p is a dealbreaker for me and 24MP isn't quite enough imho so I will either wait for the Sony a1 ii or go for the Nikon Z8. Nikon has had 8K oversampled 4K60p for YEARS!

[@melihadalim]

Both cameras hit by their 'low resolution' 24MP sensors for bird photography. If serious about bird photography and have some extra resources, I would get a R5 or R5 ii for Canon, and Z8 for Nikon.

[@natureredux1957]

I could never buy the Nikon z6iii on the HOPE and assumption that it Might one day get RAW pre capture. I would also rather Wait to see what Sony offers in the a7siv/a7V or the Canon R6iii which might likely get the R3 Fully Stacked Sensor. I also wonder, just what percentage of Hybrid shooters actually shoot, 4k120. Basically, $2500 for a just released but partially stacked 24MP camera is a bit much. It should have better stats then previous older models, most are almost 2yrs older by comparison. But paying that price Now for only 24MP might be the wrong move for most based mostly on the assumption of what in other Camera Brands pipeline over the next 12 months or so.

[@simonthibodeau7082]

Lack of bird eye AF is so incomprehensible!

[@jasdsouza]

I disagree that the Z6iii needs 3 dials. The ISO button is very easily accessible and can be used to quickly switch between adjusting manual ISO and switching to auto ISO.... 2 options to control ISO. So In a way the 2 dials have two functions when the ISO button is pressed. Which makes it almost like having 4 dials

[@shutterbucks]

Sony A7RV!?

[@cy9nvs]

Has Nikon said anything about bird detect coming to the Z6 III at some point? So odd to leave out such an important feature, considering Nikon has been going all in on very long telephoto lenses, clearly aimed at bird/wildlife shooters.

[@jan_wegener]

Haven’t heard anything

[@timog7358]

really dont understand the decision to leave the bird mode out

[@os6997]

to sell a little more Z8 bodies the time they release a firmware upgrade for the Z6iii....

[@adparkerjr]

Great video, but waaaay too many ads for me mate. I’m sorry, I know you’ve got to get paid. Good content though

[@jan_wegener]

I let KZbin set them on this one and didn’t check, sorry 😀

[@jonesphotography5257]

I love my R6 Mark II and R8. The autofocus is simply out of this world. However, the fact that Canon can detect birds with ease without a dedicated bird mode is impressive, yet, frustrating since Canon has not heavily invested in mid-range priced telephoto lenses.

[@Mr09260]

Nikon has been the winner for 100 yrs

[@waldemardinius2856]

Danke für den tollen Vergleich Mit der z6iii hat Nikon zu der Konkurrenz aufgeschlossen und hängt nicht mehr hinter her, was den Af betrifft. Wird eine tolle zweitkamera zur Z9 Gruß aus Deutschland

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

You can always tell Canons had the throne for way too long, can't go right to video and can't continue to shoot once the buffer is full. Now all we need from Nikon is more APS-c options.

[@kenwilson3610]

Which camera body is superior in low-light situations?

[@Ton-x4r]

And the winner is my Nikon D4😅😅😅

[@eightfoldstories-weddingfi8022]

Wish there was a section for people / events as well in the comparison. Seems like the comparison is mostly geared towards birds photography.

[@livejames9374]

Jan is a bird/wildlife photographer.

[@eightfoldstories-weddingfi8022]

@@livejames9374 I get that now, and it's honestly all good. The title should mention that though I felt :)

[@CNCTurboStep]

I believe you've showed the noise comparison between mechanical and electronic shutters now 3 times. Unfortunately the data shows you used ISO 100. While it's true this would be of importance for landscape photography I don't recall ever using such low ISOs for wildlife since I went digital. I also don't recall ever seeing any of your bird images taken at ISO 100! I've mentioned before this difference is only apparent at lower ISO values. From ISO 800 and up the noise of images shot using mechanical and electronic shutters are essentially identical. PLEASE repeat this measurement at ISOs 800, 1600 and 3200 for a true, real world (for wildlife photographers) comparison and publish your results. Incidentally, the H/S drive mode on the R5 also reduces the dynamic range (increases noise) at low ISOs by 1 stop with MECHANICAL shutter according to photonstophotons and other sources, but you don't appear to mention this. My own test results were however inconclusive. As it happens, the dynamic range of the electronic shutter compares very favourably with sensors from other manufacturers. It's roughly equal or better than the Nikon Z9 from ISO 100 and above, and the Sony A9M3 over the entire ISO range, but I've never seen any negative comments about their noise levels. I think Nikon and Sony simply have better marketing strategies. After watching the long awaited Canon presentation for the R1 and R5 I'd say Canon doesn't have a marketing strategy at all! IMHO it was a non starter. If I empty a cup of water into a bucket, I still only have a cup of water. The bucket just becomes a heavyweight, under used container. If the dynamic range decreases significantly for higher ISOs there's nothing to be gained by storing it in a larger (14bit) bucket. It simply slows down the data transfer.

[@minusinfinity6974]

The rolling shutter for the Z6III is about 14.6ms vs about 14.7ms for the R6II. The main difference is Canon is12 bit to achieve the faster readout and Nikon is 14 bit. It would be impossible to tell the rolling shutter apart in a double blind test. Canon's DR in ES mode is woeful, 2 stops less than in mechanical or EFCS and you would never use ES if you plan to push shadows heavily. In other words, its ISO invariance is third rate, like the R5. When it comes to lens selection, I put Nikon on a whole other level than Canon. It's not even close. Canon's lens line-up and Canon Australia's criminal pricing is why I finally dumped them for good after 20 years.

[@danielosborne8228]

I'm honestly a bit tired of waiting for an APSC flagship from these clowns. I have a D500, and I would like to move into the AI bird autofocus world, but I honestly don't need a full frame camera, since my focus is long range walkabout shooting. These guys are really trying to push me to the OM1mkii and Zuiko 150-600 but I would love to stick with Nikon or Canon.

[@77dris]

The R6 II has a batter grip... I even have it. It's the same one as for the R5. Maybe you meant there isn't one for the Nikon? Also Tony Northrup showed that the R6 II has less rolling shutter than the z6III (at least for 4k60 video). A guy I know has the R6 II and got the z6 III recently. He returned the Nikon because he said it was good but not nearly as reliable for AF as the Canon (for general photography) and he didn't want to go backwards in AF reliability.

[@mbismbismb]

This guy always favour other brands... dunno why hahahaha eventhough the r6ii is clear winner

[@planetfun85]

Nobody cares what Tony Northrup or "a guy I know" has to say.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@planetfun85 nope, nobody, but this time, he is right

[@livejames9374]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426Tony wasn’t right and continues to lose credibility as a KZbinr. 4k 60 sensor readout: A7s3 - 8.8ms Z6iii - 9.3ms R6ii - 14.9ms

[@sudharsanpadiyath4780]

❤❤❤👍

[@K9malinois_dog_love]

Z iii it’s Basically a beautiful camera with manual focus for birding at this point compared to the R6 II

[@rickymiller1489]

I don’t want either one, but you’re too biased towards Nikon my choices, Sony

[@planetfun85]

Of course, a Canon fanboy would not say Nikon is better.

[@jan_wegener]

There’s no winner cause which one is best depends on what you intend to do with it.

[@stephenbolger5925]

There is no excuse for Nikon not to have the bird mode on the Z6 iii! Its not a cheap camera! Come on Nikon! Think of all your D500 users who are looking for a good mirrorless bird photography camera that does not cost as much as a Z8 which is expensive for an enthusiast shooter. The R6ii is limiting as its a full frame camera

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

the Z6 III is a crop sensor camera? lol

[@stephenbolger5925]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 The Z6iii is a full frame camera!

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@stephenbolger5925 of course, lol. This is what you wrote: "The R6ii is limiting as its a full frame camera." 😂

[@stephenbolger5925]

@prokremelskidezolati1426 It is if you are shooting wildlife. The R6ii is a great camera but for distant birds it just doesn't have the same reach compared to the R7

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@stephenbolger5925 every FF camera with ca 24 MPx is. That is why I want a crop camera, but sadly, no good crop camera from Nikon and the R7 has some issues with the shutter shock. Maybe the R7 II is better. So, now we can choose only from FF cameras. The best value is the R6 II, everything else is much more expensive...

[@HeroShotz]

Why bring up the z8 so much in a z6iii vs r6ii video ? Z8 has no place in this match up lol.

[@jonasgillmann]

I disagree. Full sensor readout oversampled 4K60p is important to many people and the only cameras that offer this capability are these two AND the Z8/Z9 (and the R5C). The fact that Canons newer flagship R5 II does NOT have 8K oversampled 4K60p is a real disappointment. Hopefully, Canon will give us a firmware update for the R5 II bringing 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II I planned to go for the R5 II but no oversampled 4K60p is a dealbreaker for me and 24MP isn't quite enough imho so I will either wait for the Sony a1 ii or go for the Nikon Z8. Nikon has had 8K oversampled 4K60p for YEARS! Comparing these cameras to the Z8 is therefore very useful for anyone who is looking to buy into a new camera system.

[@jan_wegener]

Just as a reference point I suppose, but fair point

[@sicr626]

@@jonasgillmann Cry man, this is photography channel not video

[@jonasgillmann]

@@sicr626 No. It's about both photo and video. Primarily photography, he also takes videos and reviews things such as video stabilization though.

[@sicr626]

@@jonasgillmann yea because he likes to take a short video of a bird, just like i do. But primarily photography...and most of the people view the footage then on 1080p monitors or instagram or facebook, so does that really matter? To me af is much much more important :)

[@mbismbismb]

The 12 bit in the r6ii eshutter actually has better DR than the nikon 14 bit eshutter hahaha

[@peterra2532]

No…it’s false…mechanical shutter yes the r6ii is better, but eshutter is better on Nikon

[@livejames9374]

r6ii 12bit eshutter (with built in noise reduction) is actually has stop less dynamic range than z6iii 14 eshutter

[@mbismbismb]

@@peterra2532 i was talking about the depth (measured in bit) of the file

[@mbismbismb]

@@livejames9374 there is not NR reduction in RAW it only happens in Jpeg ... i shoot canon raw i know there is noise in there for u to correct in LR or other raw editing software ... so...

[@livejames9374]

@@mbismbismb that’s incorrect. Canon does infact add noise reduction into raw files. That is well documented, Google “canon raw baked in noise reduction”.

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

The R6 II is the clear winner. But cameras are less important than lenses.

[@alphaandomega2709]

Canon has better autofocus better dynamic range also made in Japan, no brainer. Nikon z6iii has very poor dynamic range and shadow recovery. I’d recommend Canon Sony or Panasonic tbh.

[@DAVE_WHITE]

Yup as usual Nikon again fails in the autofocus arena..

[@livejames9374]

Still better than a9

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@livejames9374 there is already A9 III :)

[@livejames9374]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 Dave White has an A9

[@livejames9374]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 and talks about it on every Nikon video

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@livejames9374 the A9 is a 7 years old camera. No wonder...