Jannik Sinner Forehand Analysis | The Secret To Gigantic Power

[@tnator3542]

Sinner has reportedly Confessed in a church about the source of his forehand gigantic power...where it comes from.

[@TennisUnleashed]

LOL! You got me with this comment ;) -Jason Frausto

[@mshahbaaz1841]

"Bweeeh"

[@billycasas133]

The information you’re providing is awesome. I love the slow motion high definition stroke analysis. Please keep the videos coming.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. I’m glad you’re enjoying the content. More to come. -Jason Frausto

[@jraymond6637]

Omg! Fantastic analysis of sinners forehand ! So enlightening! How could we get in touch with you with some proper tennis training

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I offer in person and remote coaching services here www.tennisunleashed.net/services/ If you have any questions please let me know. -Jason Frausto

[@haasws]

Good analysis on the racket position, etc.. But we forget that there is a big difference in the leg movement between the slow and fast forehand. He steps forward into the court for the fast forehand, whereas he remains static on the slow one.

[@nicks6813]

All you need to do is listen to Sinner's shots to know he's operating at a more efficient level than most pros. It sounds different - it pops. Rublev punishes the ball but he exerts far more effort, and I'd argue Sinner gets way more power based on the technique you break down in this excellent analysis. it's incredible to watch - i would love to see him play live.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I agree 100%. Watch and listen to his ball, it just comes off "differently" than most other pros, especially a lot of the guys in his age range. I appreciate the kind words. Would love to see Sinner's ball striking live. -Jason Frausto

[@seanash8391]

@@TennisUnleashed Jannik strings his racquets very high tension with a full bed of poly, (±about 60lbs I think) which is a pretty unusual setup and perhaps contributes some to the unique sound. There's an indoor practice video where you can really hear it it. He does have effortless timing and great technique too though. I'm not sure how his elbow would survive otherwise! 😊

[@allboutthemojo]

Great video. In my opinion the match between him and Carlos US open 2022 was a defining match. When we look years from now and have to identify one match that changed the future of tennis, it will be this one. Kinda similar in concept to " the changing of the guard match between Roger and Pete decades ago" These two played a brand of amazing tennis never seen before or never thought possible!

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. That quarterfinal was one for the ages. I think everyone is excited for the future of tennis and both Alcaraz and Sinner are easy to root for. -Jason Frausto

[@mrlipton4571]

one of the best tennis channels on youtube by far ! Great Job man !

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. More to come. -Jason Frausto

[@PAULIlLOL]

Just to mention it: on the fast vs. slow forehand comparison sinner is getting a slice ball from the opponent on the faster forehand, which forces him to go more into the knees and lift the ball more from the ground and on the "slow" forehand he gets an normally high spin ball from the opponent, which could also explain some of the differences.

[@michaelthomas366]

Sinner gets unbelievable racket head speed!

[@TennisUnleashed]

Indeed. An absolute rocket of a forehand. The fastest average forehand speed of anyone at the Miami tournament. -Jason

[@king0vdarkness]

4:10 note that he doesn't force this position... The body/shoulder rotation gets his racket in this position... That's how he gets power

[@cordalisdis]

Great video. Only update required after 3 y.: The difference of movement does not only distinguish him from the younger players on the tour but from all players. Best technique analysis yet.

[@ErikSchierboom]

Fantastic analysis! Really interesting.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you Eric. More on the way. -Jason Frausto

[@tuftyaurelius9062]

Fantastic, highly detailed scientific analysis!👏👍THANKS. He’s only 19 and he’ll definitely get even better in his twenties.👍

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. 100% agree. Sinner has an amazing future ahead of him. -Jason Frausto

[@akaalkripal5724]

Could you analyse some single hand backhands too? Before it goes extinct? Which would be tragic for Tennis.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I'll definitely take a look at the one hander and make some technique breakdowns on it. It would be unfortunate for it to completely disappear from the top 10 down the road. -Jason Frausto

[@akaalkripal5724]

@@TennisUnleashed Thank you so much ... for instance, I use a single-hand backhand, and I've been struggling to copy Federer's latter-day backhands (where he started taking the ball early against Nadal, to annul Nadals F2BH play). Your videos are extremely insightful, might help a number of club-level players.

[@deepakthakur5212]

Thanks Jason This morning I tried this and I was able to keep my wrists 3/10 tension first time ever and got a lot of racket head speed Many thanks

[@TennisUnleashed]

Glad it was helpful on your forehand :) Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto

[@whiskeytennisfoxtrot7356]

One thing I see Jannik Sinner doing different than a lot of the pros is his more frequent use of the neutral stance forehand. Just to resolve terminology differences, some people call neutral stance a closed stance. What Jannik is doing in the video I would describe as a neutral stance. A neutral stance forehand will let you transfer much more forward momentum which comes from moving your whole body forward. Semi-open stance and open-stance rely more on body rotation, and so your position is a bit more static. But with the neutral stance you have a foot in front of you that you can transfer your weight to, therefore it's much easier to get forward momentum into the shot. The drawback, of course, is you have to work your feet harder to get into a neutral stance position vs semi-open/open stance. Also, it's harder to respond to faster incoming balls with neutral stance. But, if you want to generate power, and you have the time, neutral stance is the way to go. You can see in this video example Jannik does a shuffle step into his neutral stance forehand. This adds even more forward momentum. His racquet lag is pretty extreme in this shot, but I do see other pro players getting that much racquet lag, e.g., Nadal.

[@Leo-yq6bo]

Many pro using a more semi western grip does do closed stance a lot because they don’t rely on body rotation while western grip relies a lot on rotation so players like kygrios do open

[@leviticusspeaks7732]

Excellent analysis and explanation by whiskey tennis foxtrot...very helpful.👏

[@youssefelsayed5867]

I love this comment and it shows that you are very good at tennis, very well said.

[@alexhe1987]

Maybe the stance also has something to do with the height and depth of the incoming ball. But the neutral stance is definitely more helpful in transfering body weight forward.

[@TheTennisDaddy]

Spot on…at 44yrs old and having coached for years myself, I’ve just started getting coached myself again and in my first 10mins, my coach pointed out that I hit too many open stance forehands when I could be getting into a neutral stance, since doing so, I’m hitting cleaner and bigger as I was too lazy on many balls almost waiting in an open stance

[@matigaricrash]

I loved your explanation. I converted my Simona Halep forehand to the Sinner forehand in 30 minutes thanks to you!

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. I'm glad you were able to change your forehand technique so quickly. Awesome accomplishment! -Jason Frausto

[@affluencethirdy4894]

After 3 years, im here because Yannik is the current no. 1 and just won the US Open trophy recently in NY. Im copying his FH and BH and it works really great though I admit it needs more practice and repitition. The sound is really satisfying if you hit in the right contact point.

[@streetfightsguild7480]

This is 2 years ago. Now he is even better crazy

[@TennisUnleashed]

That's true. This video is almost 3 years old. Might be time for an update. -Jason Frausto

[@hobonickel840]

Thanks for the great content. I am a little late to this party but I also noticed an important difference in the two shots ... feet position. The one he cranks his feet are closed and the lesser hit shot they are very much open ... cheers

[@TennisUnleashed]

o problem glad you enjoyed it. Very true on the stance position. I might have to make an updated version since this one is now 3.5 years old. -Jason Frausto

[@Feanor1992]

In short he's super-relaxed while hitting. You can place all the emphasis on the racquet tip bla bla bla. The most important point in his forehand is that he's super loose and and relaxed which allows him to whip his shots

[@Molloy1951]

Exactly. This video misses the most important thing. Patrick Mouratoglou teaches to relax the arms, the wrist and move the body like Sinner does.

[@counsela9240]

Fascinating!

[@TennisUnleashed]

His forehand is incredible. Fun to break it down. -Jason Frausto

[@johnnybgood1169]

The tip of his racquet is "flipping" back BECAUSE of the looseness of his entire arm during the powerful leg and hip driven initiation of the forward swing. It is not something he is "doing". It is a result of everything he did prior to starting the forward swing. The reason Sinner (as well as Kyrgios, Sock and Tiafoe) lift the elbow and allow the tip of their racquet to point forward (the forward "tilt") during their preparation is because they are maximally pre-stretching the rotator cuff bands in their hitting shoulder which will also help accelerate the arm and racquet.

[@gibcoprobe66]

Great and useful analysis

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. I'm glad the video was helpful. -Jason Frausto

[@ApEx-nv3eh]

Astonishing mate!

[@TennisUnleashed]

Humbled by your comment. Thank you. -Jason Frausto

[@sunnyc8900]

Excellent teaching! Comparing different shots from the same player! Please compare above shoulder v hip level double backhands. Some players jump, others stay grounded on the above shoulder height balls. Thank you

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. I'll put it on the list. -Jason Frausto

[@Richibald1]

After watching your video I tried it for kicks. The ball hit the baseline, server didn't have time to get ready for the return, it was my fastest forehand in 60 years man did it rip. I did feel wear & tear in shoulder something to consider. Watching this after my first rocket launch success I notice Janek has his index finger higher up racket. Another potential point of injury. Make sure you're relaxed, try hitting ball out in front not behind. Del Potro warms up 4 hrs prior to every match to avoid injury on injury. Just saying. I was astonished with power from this forehand but hit as cleanly as possible. Your body will thank you for it!

[@TennisUnleashed]

Rich, I'm glad your forehand felt amazing. When the mechanics are more efficient the power will flow effortlessly. It feels great to hit rocket returns at your opponents feet return after return after return. Thank you for sharing your experience. -Jason Frausto

[@Richibald1]

@@TennisUnleashed you should have seen the look on the server's face Jason. Absolutely priceless in astonishment. Well worth the price of admission 🤭 OK I don't have a singer but will try practice against the wall. Getting the butt cap facing forward looks more difficult than it really is. Thank you for a fascinating video. Easy to see you did your homework, much appreciated 👍

[@TennisUnleashed]

@@Richibald1 No problem. Happy hitting Rich. -Jason Frausto

[@docpramod]

Excellent presentation. Lucid analysis.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. -Jason Frausto

[@raphaelarmandovalor6586]

we call that lag in the golf world. But also Sinner uncoils pretty hard. Its not only the flip but the combination of both. He is going to be a great player.

[@BullyGarfield.]

yeah racket lag

[@raphaelarmandovalor6586]

I also like how his left arm it’s balancing the body all the time! He can use all that power yet staying under control.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Sinner’s forehand is an absolute rocket. Does he have the best forehand of all the next gen players?

[@lorenzop3982]

Hurkacz has better forehand

[@TennisUnleashed]

@@lorenzop3982 Possibly. We'll get a good look tomorrow. Looking forward to the final. -Jason Frausto

[@bournejason66]

Would be great if you can do an analysis on Rublev vs Sinner forehand. What’re the similarities and what’re the difference. I like Sinner a tad better because of his smoothness. But Rublev is fun to watch too.

[@TennisUnleashed]

@@bournejason66 Absolutely. Rublev is a great ball striker. I'll put it on the list of upcoming videos. -Jason Frausto

[@jorgeandrescoppiano]

Ufff definitely!!! Strong base with previous skiing history, good kinetic chain and can even add more to it, mad lag, easy fh grip, bomb blasts, be it low clearance or higher and dipping. Calmness. Good attitude and work ethic. Just some more time and that will be an amazing!

[@tesina21]

Pause @ 3:45 and that is the key to his effortless racquet head speed. All the top players have extremely live wrists. The last second whip is so important. There's no tension in his arm.

[@jozgol3119]

1.first time viewer of your content and i absolutely love it. 2. Basically if we could generate whip like in badminton, this would be a future.3 maybe you could do osaka forehand analysis, because she really impressed me in ao. Women were in right sight of court just m from ball, but couldnt reach it.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I appreciate the kind words. The Badminton analogy is a good. I'll make sure to add Naomi Osaka's forehand to the list of techniqu analysis. Thanks for watching and it sounds like you had a great time at the Australian Open. -Jason Frausto

[@788edd]

Jason, You are the tech. digger. If there are 10 levels depth, other coach only can reach 1 to 5 level, you can dig deeper and deeper to the bottom.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you very much for the kind words. I hope I can continue to dig deeper while still keeping it easy enough for people to understand and implement. I've also been fortunate enough to have 17 years of experience doing technique and match analysis, I've looked at thousands and thousands of hours of film over that time. Thank you again. -Jason Frausto

[@bachisback71]

Incredibile. Orgoglio italiano.

[@TennisUnleashed]

He's getting better and better. -Jason Frausto

[@leftyspinn]

He has a closed stance and steps forward more than some of the other atp players with good forehands. I tend to catch mine late when they hit a heavy ball to shoulder height because my backswing is too loopy. I will try to shorten it more like this but without the racquet head flip

[@nijiak]

just to confirm, the transition of the racquet flip to the point where Sinner hits the ball is done using supination of the arm right (the parts where you talk about his elbow movement) - it's not simply using the wrist because you can see the whole arm turn in a clockwise manner (supinate) in order for the racquet face to flip properly. also regarding the tip of the racquet being behind the elbow - it would be good to remind viewers that it's a result of his unit turn and power loading that causes that racquet to 'lag' behind the elbow for his rocket forehand (i.e. the myth of wrist lag / snap) thank you for your analysis!

[@788edd]

Before the Supination, he did Pronation, before he flip, he dragged, before he look forewarned, he look right side to impact.

[@stevescheldt216]

I tried this today just hitting out of my hand, it added pop and spin. Great tip I'm definitely going to start hitting this way.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Glad to hear it added some pop and spin to your forehand. Once you feel the "easy power" of something like this it would be hard to go back. Thanks for watching and happy hitting. -Jason Frausto

[@TennisFedable]

Jason really nice work! Can you do one for the backhand also?

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. His backhand is definitely on the "to do list". It will be one of the next two videos I release in April. Stay tuned. -Jason Frausto

[@MomentumTennis]

Great video! Next up Sinner's backhand analysis?

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. Sinner’s backhand is definitely on the to do list. Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto

[@jacopoV1984]

@@TennisUnleashed His backhand is actually even better :)

[@TennisUnleashed]

@@jacopoV1984 I can't wait to analyze it! :) -Jason Frausto

[@chrisjohnwebster1]

great analysis

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you Christopher. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. -Jason Frausto

[@ruipedro4195]

Hi Jason, thanks for your video. For me, when I play tournaments or represent my club team, what is difficult is to plan my day for a lot of things to do. Program my day to get up, eat, digest, warm up, play competitive tennis and recover. I have so much to do, that I do not do what is important. I happened to have three matches in one day and it was not easy to plan my day and prepare to play the semi-finals the next morning. I hope this gives you some suggestions for a new video, which can help a lot of people. Thanks.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Absolutely. Thanks for sharing your experience. I can certainly try to make something on proper preparation. Even with all of the things you have to think about, one of the most important things to remember is to try to keep things simple. Continued success in your tournament play. -Jason Frausto

[@Lucian86]

Thanks for the video. My forehand is even more extreme..pretty much same elbow height but a bigger tilt, dropping the racket even more and huge lag behind. If I get the timinig and speed right, the forehand is high quality but it's highly inconsistent. It's very hard to correct and make it more simple (at least how Sinner is doing it) but I'm trying

[@hermanodejesus7264]

Great analysis 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. A lot more to come. -Jason Frausto

[@hermanodejesus7264]

@@TennisUnleashed thanks Jason. All the best on your journey 🎾🎾🎾

[@RainOnYourParadise]

He has a quick snap on his shot he hits with a lot of topspin. Great player🙌🏼

[@TennisUnleashed]

Agreed 100%. Excellent player and ball striker. -Jason Frausto

[@edwardfarmer4230]

Great analysis.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. More to come soon. -Jason Frausto

[@2017Fed]

well done respect

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. More to come. -Jason Frausto

[@adrianshaw7293]

Keep it simple. It's all about rotating. Coil up and then recoil. The torso should pull the passive (loose) racket arm around, with the racket head coming from below the contact point (for topspin). Check out Powerflail... Most tennis coaches way over-complicate things and don't get their pupils rotating, so they have to use their arms (actively), often leading to tennis elbow problems.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I don't disagree at all, there's a lot of value to keeping things simple. It's also important to understand fine detail differences that can improve performance, and that's really what this video is about. I appreciate your comment. -Jason Frausto

[@sliceserve234]

the modern strings and racquets and stroking patterns have utterly completely changed the game (to state the obvious).

[@TennisUnleashed]

They definitely have. The question is would tennis ever consider scaling back racket sizes and strings significantly enough to slow the game down? They've tried heavier balls and slower courts. -Jason Frausto

[@sliceserve234]

@@TennisUnleashed i think it is pretty clear the players and the fans don't want to go backwards, the game just evolves and that's that

[@AhmedAbayazid]

This is Jack Sock forehand type, where it has 3 check points, when in power position: 1- the racket is parallel to baseline. 2- racket hitting strings facing back fence. 3- racket head is under hand grip, when it is parallel to base line.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Yes, it has all of the elements of the Sock forehand, except #3. I'm going to cover that in another video. -Jason Frausto

[@dt1902]

the ball on the left bounces higher, therefore his racket tip is below his elbow, whereas the contact point of ball on the right is low. Will be great to do a comparison of his swing on 2 incoming balls with same height, same depth, but diff pace (3 degrees, 2 are the same , 1 diff). that will be a more accurate comparison. Thank you for the analysis.

[@winjezelf]

The coiling is especially huge in the fast one because of the the plyometrics of the forehand karaoke step that he makes into the ball. That said, he also has a lighter racket than almost all of the other pro’s...

[@ValentinG23]

another great video !!👏👏

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. More to come soon. -Jason Frausto

[@daxiongameng]

Good analysis

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you for the kind words. -Jason Frausto

[@pjakobsen]

Excellent level of detail. But what is the reason for the tip having to be below the hand at impact to get spin? What is the physics of that? I would think that it's simply the upward momentum at contact that matters.

[@joussa]

Great analysis and agree with most of it. However, in my humble opinion I think that the difference between the side by side stroke analysis is the ball bounce and not the speed. The racket cannot tilt as much when the bounce is high. Your argument would be more compelling if you were comparing the tilt based on the same ball height bounce.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I appreciate your feedback. There's a video to come that will dispel that myth. The amount of tilt and height do not go hand in hand. Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto

[@diabeureudjambeu6172]

Amazing

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you for the kind words. More to come. -Jason

[@tejastennis3290]

Please do on matter berretini Italy

[@TennisUnleashed]

Will do. I added it to our list of to do videos for technique analysis. Thanks. -Jason Frausto

[@tennisstars8220]

Perfect 👌👌 thanks for sharing 🤗

[@TennisUnleashed]

No problem. Glad you enjoyed the video. More on the way. -Jason Frausto

[@Whisper555]

The thing that seems to not get mentioned so much is that the flip is a passive movement, not an active movement. The flip is created by the legs, hips, core and shoulder, not that much in the forearm other than to guide the power.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Great comment. You're correct, I did mention the rest of the body movement in relation to his swing though and that it's not an "arm based stroke". The setup to the flip is an arm based movement to get the racket in place. -Jason Frausto

[@knotwilg3596]

Well, that's indeed usually how "lag" is created, the racket lagging - by laws of physics - behind the limbs that follow the core movement ... BUT while watching this video I noticed sinner seems to be actively flipping too. I was surprised to see that, because I thought "active lag" was a misconception by amateurs and youtube teachers, misunderstanding the kinetics that you describe correctly. Let's have another look together: is Sinner's lag indeed caused by core movement only? Or does he add an active flipping of the racket to precede that core motion?

[@bournejason66]

@@knotwilg3596 it’s both (from core but also active wrist flip motion). The arm and wrist is not merely tag along with body/core. It’s like a throw motion. Patrick M (Serena’s coach) said this: imagine throwing your racket to the incoming 🎾 I’m not sure “active lag” is the right term but it’s more than just body coiled/uncoiled in Sinner’s swing. Maybe Jason can comment more if my understanding is not correct

[@johnscpmg4862]

The video fails to mention that the end of the kinetic chain is the pronation of the forearm that throws and releases the racket into the ball, giving that extra rhs. The pronation is an active movement of the forearm. It's where most of energy/strength is exerted imo.

[@NikeSasha]

it would be interesting to know how his backhand works too

[@TennisUnleashed]

I'll definitely make a video on that soon. Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto

[@bmpjjaa]

Excellent analysis. I was always wondering how he hits so hard. Everyone on tour tries to flip the elbow quickly though. Your point on racquet edge pointing towards the opponent is not common - only a few player does it like federer and Delpo. Can you do an analysis of his backhand? I see him matching or surpassing Agassi and Novak's backhand in the future. It's deadly.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you and I'm glad you found the video helpful. He's one of the thinnest players on the tour, but he's out there destroying forehands and backhands. I'll definitely do an analysis of his backhand next and how he generates so much power on that side. -Jason Frausto

[@Ed-wh8sx]

heard his backhand has the most topspin

[@lucamazzotti8779]

Super interesting!

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. Glad you found it interesting. -Jason Frausto

[@cldavis33]

Nice analysis. I honestly believe his elbow is lower here, because he is setting up to hit a very low ball. High balls, that elbow is going to of necessity be higher to accommodate the set up.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I appreciate the kind words. I guess we'll find out in that high ball vs low ball Sinner forehand analysis yet to come ;) -Jason Frausto

[@Michael-zm2hv]

Hi Jason, great content! Could you analyse Lorenzo Musetti's forehand as well?

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thanks Michael. I'll definitely add Musetti's forehand to the list of upcoming videos. -Jason Frausto

[@Michael-zm2hv]

@@TennisUnleashed Thank you! How many videos have you planned before that?

[@Howel79]

what a wrist, I see now why he hit so many big shots, but counting on it too much might generate wrist problem if not careful. And also on side to side comparison on slow and fast forehand form, eventhough it is really useful, I think it is not a really a good exact comparison, since on the fast forehand you see that ball is going to cross court, compare to slow one which is on the middle, where in generally when you hitting cross court shot you need to also do more longer swing which interpreted in Sinner case by doing prolonged wrist whip move

[@Michael-zm2hv]

Hi Jason, a question: At 04:20 the stringbed faces the back fence at first and then, when Sinner starts the forward motion, the racket flips and the stringbed is pointed forwards. Does this change of the stringbed orientation happen naturally because he is moving the racket forward or is he doing the flip on purpose/actively with his wrist? I'm trying to copy some elements of his forehand, but always struggle on this part of his motion, because I try to turn the wrist so that the stringbed faces forward. I guess it should happen naturally instead?

[@peppio]

Great video❤

[@TennisUnleashed]

I appreciate that. Thank you. -Jason Frausto

[@rupertrgogoi2556]

Tennis player Sinner is one of those new crop of very talented tennis players who seem unstoppable, until one of the Big Three comes along in another round. In ladies tennis, Miss Iga Swiatek and Miss Naomi Osaka appear unstoppable and invincible, among a few other new ladies players.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Definitely true. He hits the ball harder than just about everyone, but tennis isn't about who can hit the hardest. Let's see if he can raise his level in the next year or two. Footwork and movement will be key for Sinner. -Jason Frausto

[@augustblood6810]

Interesting! I wonder if it's more likely to get wrist injuries playing this way?

[@vectorthurm]

I’m thinking same thing...

[@olivernaude3793]

Hopefully that won’t be the case

[@tannerbrinton9808]

No. It takes pressure off the wrist😂😂

[@chuckdeless9891]

The heavier your racket and tighter your string tension will likely increase wrist and arm injuries

[@PrecisionPointTennis]

Awesomeness

[@TennisUnleashed]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it. -Jason Frausto

[@knotwilg3596]

I'm not very well versed in tennis technique, but I would think the different orientation of the racket in the "cranking shot" with respect to the slower ball, is mostly caused by Sinner bending deeper to find contact with the low ball. When bending deeper, the racket which would normally be facing the floor, will naturally tilt to the back side. This also means there's a kind of "double coil" going on, one due to hip rotation and one due to leg thrust. Somewhat paradoxically, the low position of the ball allows for unleashing more power, using this uncoil & thrust. On higher balls, the power of the legs can't be fully used into the shot because they're already stretched out when going into contact. Finally, the difference between the two shots also lies in the trajectory: the "cranking shot" has a smaller net coverage, so that when the topspin drags it down again, there's less time needed to find the court, plus more power goes into the forward motion. I think it's somewhat misleading to point to the "excessive flip" orientation as the root cause for the extra power. I would say it's more like a symptom of the real root cause, which is the deeper bend. Now I repeat my disclaimer: I'm merely an observant analyst, not having any experience with tennis coaching whatsoever. So I'm happy to stand corrected. PS - with all this, I'm also under the impression Sinner DOES actively add "flip" to the "lag", which I had always thought to be a kinetic consequence of the core movement. In this slo-mo video, it seems that not all of the flip can be attributed to lag only. See comment below.

[@legoatjames5723]

Do you have a Nadal forehand analysis video

[@TennisUnleashed]

I’ll put it on the list of to do videos. More to come. -Jason Frausto

[@yili9725]

i think the key is the racquet face at contact, before and after for the low ball. There is no pronation. after contact, the racquet tip was not pointing to the opponent but up. It's misleading in the picture. only that way, he make sure to pick up the ball and get it over the net.

[@Fernando-ef4id]

Good

[@thegefster1988]

Turning the racquet face to the fence like that seems like a lateral raise where you pour at the top of the movement and could put a lot extra stress on the rotator cuff. Even if you are young and flexible does seem like it can eventually cause wear and tear. Djokovic, Federer... etc much better models in my view.

[@hansher9575]

can i ask how does the sideways backswing compare to the regular novak upwards backswing where the racket head is also facing the back fence but pointed up. in my head i think, the novak upward backswing will be way effortless and generates more racket speed cause of gravity, but the sinner sideways backswing helps coil for a more momentum on the topspin ball. is that right? or am i mistaken? whats your point of view on this please enlighten me 🙏🏼 cause i dont know which one is better to copy, i can do both 🙃

[@Arunkumar-bg5xk]

Do we see foresee future wrist problems a la Thiem ??

[@TNToncourt]

Do you think they hit off centre on the racket?

[@TennisUnleashed]

Yes, but not on purpose. -Jason Frausto

[@luisreis3202]

I would like to see both examples with the ball at the same height ... unless he allows drop the ball purpose what I doubt

[@redennah1467]

Thanks! I wanted to change to a more sinner like forehand and I also have a pronounced semi western grip. I thought that he had like a semi western to eastern grip so I was trying to change grip. I’ll stop now 😂

[@TennisUnleashed]

No problem. LOL, his grip is definitely a strong semi-western, you're good. No need to change what you've got ;) -Jason Frausto

[@NikoMalekMusic]

One interesting thing I’ve noticed there’s a lot of players don’t caulk their wrists back at the beginning of the motion.Seems like it would take out one step

[@NikoMalekMusic]

Team does

[@GeneralRock114]

How more stress does flipping the racquet place on the wrist and elbow????

[@patrickwasielewski6398]

Hi, Great analyze, thanks! I am using a Tecnifibre 315 gr t fight xtc racquet and for my tennis class a Yonex vcore 305 gr racquet. I saw that the sinner technic was easily to apply with the 305 gr racquet. Do you think that since technic is more adapted to lighter racquet? Thank for your answer! Patrick from Zoe coaching

[@TennisUnleashed]

Patrick, That's a good question. I think for most players a slightly lighter frame would be easier to get in position each time. He was hitting some absolutely massive forehands this week at the Citi Open. The slow courts gave him time to really load up on his shots. -Jason Frausto

[@patrickwasielewski6398]

@@TennisUnleashed thanks for your answer Jasón. I saw that in my case, it is easier to get a best speed of the frame with the lighter racquets, all of them have a balance of 31cm…. Yes in the City Jannick Sinner could use his amazing power whit his forehand. Warm regards. Patrick

[@bournejason66]

So his power is mainly from his wrist flick?

[@TennisUnleashed]

Great kinetic chain with the body but his power is so big because his “flip” of the racket is so big and so quick. Great relaxation in the back of the swing. -Jason Frausto

[@christianhorner001]

Can you do Richard Gasquet's forehand?

[@TennisUnleashed]

Love Gasquet's game, I'll add it to the list. -Jason Frausto

[@christianhorner001]

Thanks Jason, I watched him up close in New York a few seasons ago. I had a young player on the next court. He's a great striker with a few interesting parts to his swing on both sides. You'll pick up a couple of variations also depending on contact point and weight transfer. I wish I could've grabbed HD vid up close for slo mo analysis. 😁👍

[@chrisf247]

Also seems different from Sock in that the elbow does not whip forward in the same way. Instead the arm is swung as more of a unit, with all the whipping action in the wrist. In that sense it seems a little more "modern" than "next gen"

[@doudoubulle]

Is it really a semi western grip, it seems a full western to me...

[@TennisUnleashed]

Good question. He's in a strong semi-western grip. Perfect combination of power and spin. Looking forward to the 2024 season to see if he can step up to Novak's level. -Jason Frausto

[@899TK]

I thought maybe the difference is in the stance and the height of the ball in the two forehands. In the slower forehand, he is in almost a semi-open stance. In the first forehand, his stance was completely closed or maybe even past closed. He might not be loading or bending enough so the elbow looks to be lower but on the lower ball, the elbow might be in the same position as the high one but with him bending his knees to get lower for the low ball maybe the elbow seems higher? I think the biomechanics of both swings may be the same but because of the different stance positions, and heights of the ball the two swings may look different. I feel that if you have to consciously cock the racquet to where the racquet head is facing the back fence like in the first forehand, it would be hard to be relaxed and probably have to muscle the shot? Also if you are consciously making these adjustments instead of letting the footwork, stance, technique, and biomechanics of a modern ATP forehand swing do their job unconsciously, then it would be hard to build consistency right? Especially at that level with the big hitters and in long matches where you get fatigued? This is just a theory from an amateur, would love to learn where and what is wrong with my theory so I learn and get better. Thank you.

[@omargiannotti7156]

I say wrong if I say that is similar to khachanov forehand? Ciao from Italy

[@TennisUnleashed]

Some similarities, but Khachanov has serious limitations on his forehand side. I'll take Khachanov's backhand over his forehand, his backhand is close to perfect technically. -Jason Frausto

[@kieran1990able]

Rublev also hits low ball forehand with so much power and pace.

[@TennisUnleashed]

Rublev definitely hits the ball big, his average speed on the forehand was lower than Sinner at the Miami event. Love Rublev's game, it will be interesting to see how he continues to develop. -Jason Frausto

[@imateapot51]

I taught tennis in a classic area. I taught the Agassi style forehand and within a few years all the teachers in the area were doing the same since classic can not handle the topspin. The "flip" is just a relaxed wrist that allows the racquet face and handle to keep going back as you rotate the hand holding the racquet forward. The face and rest of handle rebounds like a whip and accelerates forward. When I learned it I thought it would just be like the Agassi forehand vs classic. I expected all the kids to learn it and all the WTA players to learn it, and all the teachers to start teaching it. But that has simply not happened. Partly because most teachers do not know how to do it and also because teachers that do realize it is very hard to play well with it. The boost in racquet speed you get from the flip/whip is substantial. However if your timing is not perfect then you will not have the same whip effect and thus racquet speed and your shot will suffer - short or in the net because your 90 percent power swing was only 80 percent and you did not know it. If a kid does learn it and can do well with it then he/she will get pushback from coaches and other teachers they encounter during tournament training sessions. I remember coaches telling my students you should not rotate you will hurt your hips. But in the case of the current ATP forehand I believe it should be left to tennis academies with exceptional students. It is not difficult to do just difficult to play well with it.

[@jorgeandrescoppiano]

Great job Jason! 👏🏼👏🏼💪🏼 This is a greaat video! I think his is a semi western close to bevel 3, with a small grip size to his hand. And great point on his more wrist extension while petting the dog to later have that massive lag for bomb shots. Great eye and analysis Jason!

[@jerome_morrow]

The wrist lag (flip) is an effect, not a cause. It isn’t *why* he’s got such power. Same with small guys who hit the ball a long way in golf. They all have exceptional lag. But it’s an outcome of their kinetic chain. It can’t be manufactured by advise such as “keep your wrist relaxed”. Agree with most of the rest of your analysis.

[@TennisUnleashed]

We agree to disagree. At the age of 43 I fully converted my forehand over to a larger lag style swing in tennis. The difference is massive in the the amount of speed and spin I'm generating, even compared to my younger days playing in college.It can absolutely be manufactured, that's why we're seeing the uptick on the WTA tour in the number of "ATP style forehands". The players are being taught how to do it. Thanks for dropping a comment. -Jason Frausto

[@bournejason66]

Who’s the first one (or first few) started using these type of flip/whip swings? I don’t think Sampras used this kind of swing but I could be wrong.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I would answer that but I'm going to try to make a short video about it instead! I think it would be fun to look at the earliest example I could find of "the flip" that is now common on tour. -Jason Frausto

[@bournejason66]

@TennisUnleashed Great. Looking forward to it😀🙏👍🎾

[@dann_sky]

very high speed of the racket head but still quite dangerous with time. The stress it demands on his elbow and wrist can lead to injuries over time.

[@TennisUnleashed]

People said the same things about Jack Sock’s forehand. He never got injured due to his whipping forehand. I guess time will tell. -Jason Frausto

[@dadoventi]

It kinda reminds me of Fognini’s forehand, is that correct?

[@TennisUnleashed]

Some similarities for sure, but different takebacks in how the strings are pointed etc. The looseness through the swing is similar. Love Fognini's easy power. -Jason Frausto

[@dadoventi]

@@TennisUnleashed yes I’ve noticed that Fognini’s racket strings don’t face the back of the court in the takeback just like Sinner, I think Fognini’s takeback is shorter Thank you anyway!

[@Escorpio123PS]

Just found this channel. Have you guys done this for the Wrarinka backhand?

[@mmabagain]

Is there a professional tennis player with the last name of Saint? Would love to see a match between a Sinner and a Saint.

[@milton4y]

4 bewel grip, the rest is depends on each player partcilulares.

[@twinwankel]

I don't know Jason. I think the difference is in court position and foot position. In his first shot, he moving forward on a short ball toward the baseline. He is in a neutral stance, and typically you can generate a lot more pace with the neutral stance because the racket travels a longer swing path. Now in the second shot, he is further back is in a semi-open stance and just wants to hit a rally ball. This is typical of his court position because if he wants to use the neutral stance and try to crush the ball, it will most likely go out. There are many other power advantages with the neutral stance that I don't want to get into but even in my game, I can crush balls with the neutral stance much easier than open or semi-open stances. I don't think Sinner has any technical advantage over other ATP players in general. Most of what separates ATP players is talent in their biological makeup that they are born with and not any advance technique. Trying to dissect tiny technical differences between Sinner and say a player like Federer is not meaningful. Because Sinner's forehand looks a lot like the standard Modern ATP forehand invented by Federer. And I have seen Fed just crush forehands at 100 MPH without any effort at all. Now pointing flaws in the next Gen forehand like Kyrgios is more meaningful.

[@TennisUnleashed]

I promise to respond fully, but for the next two hours I’m playing tennis ;) -Jason Frausto

[@newmennium]

@@TennisUnleashed 👀

[@TennisUnleashed]

@@newmennium LOL.

[@bournejason66]

If you use Safin or Mark P as an example, it could be debatable. But Sinner is nothing special physique wise. In fact, he’s on the thinner side among the pros on the tour. It’s his dedication, hard work and have a good team around him that makes him where he is now. There’s a lot to learn from Sinner in this clip technique wise too. Just made a blanket statement that it’s his “biological makeup” that makes him good is a disservice at best. At minimum, you should point out what part of biological makeup that Sinner is different than other pros.

[@newmennium]

@@bournejason66 What on Earth are you talking about? It's like you woke up and didn't remember anything about you past. Also, it sounds like you injected comments Nadal and Federer said about Sinner in interviews like they're your own. Everyone in tour works hard and most have good teams around them. The kid is just gifted, the end.