Japan’s first AI-drawn manga sends shock waves through comic book world

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Japan’s first AI-drawn manga Cyberpunk: Peach John is sending shock waves through the comic book world after hitting shelves on March 9, 2023. The author, who goes by the pen name “Rootport”, created the Japanese comics using a viral AI tool Midjourney, which has skyrocketed to worldwide popularity after its 2022 launch. As they have become more widespread, text-to-image generators like Midjourney have sparked concerns over copyright infringement and the role of human artistry within the comic book world.
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[@yogasmi3414]

No one beat hand drawing manga artists. They have their own style

[@Cpcp9696]

"no one beat", wake up dude, the artist is literally protest about this

[@theq1621]

Not yet

[@phir9255]

@@angelguardian21 It's not about how it looks, it's about the fact whether the artist is human or not.

[@biomuseum6645]

@@angelguardian21 what’s sad about those complaints?

[@rama3njoy]

yup, i dont like 3d style cgi manga/anime, most Chinese animes using cgi

[@Mikasaxx0]

Hand drawn manga can also feel all the emotions of the artists. AI drawn manga can be faster but you can feel the difference.

[@shinyrain3074]

I'm also admit. But technological advances are accelerating beyond human cognition. I think it's going to be harder to distinguish between ai paintings and human paintings soon.

[@theunknown1760]

It will be enhanced in the future

[@ack6668]

You should try some. You will be surprised. Not only it can be more photo-realistic but can deliver much deeper emotion.

[@goeunnie4551]

it's faster because the computer is the one doing it. And yes, you can feel all the effort the mangaka put through it with all the details and stuff

[@RIRIani]

I can admit it, FOR NOW. But we actually had no idea how faster this AI growth can be. Since the first time AI introduced until now, it takes only several years to make these things, drawing, coding and article. We know for sure AI and tech industry really growing and it just about time before these AI smoothing their work and being more accurate. Better we prepared for the worst by studying and have unreplaceable skills (work that need human touch like Caregiver, Nurse, etc) before AI taking every job possible. So do you.

[@dwsmatos8373]

This AI wave is getting a little bit out of control... And it's pretty serious and scary...

[@nessparadis6948]

I agree. It seems like they want to affect all aspects of humanity, down to the things that bring us joy.

[@ElusiveTy]

Welcome to the future. Without worldwide government intervention, it will only get worse. It's exciting and terrifying.

[@piplupempoleon4225]

well, boomer said the same about internet in 2000s

[@Goldenlegend1000]

​@@piplupempoleon4225 Well, that was internet, this is AI

[@Alex-bm9nb]

Yep. Technology should help us, not replace us.

[@chococandygirl15]

What appeals to me as a manga reader is how the mangaka expresses emotions through their line work. It’s what makes studio ghibli works so beautiful and beloved and what makes AI art lacking

[@adamyami2902]

In the past people rejected digitally drawn manga and anime, but now is considered normal. AI is evolving and one day it could be used as a tool to develop manga and anime creators achieve their creative vision. Hopefully that could also help mangakas and animators to have more decent working conditions.

[@fiequ]

You mean mangaka have their own style

[@magicfist482]

​@@adamyami2902 Do you know that artists still actually draw with hands when they draw digitally?

[@nicholassullivan1239]

For now 😀

[@midnightsky1427]

​@@nicholassullivan1239 businesses will only use it as a tool, it still needs a human to update, maintain and instruct them on what to do. Artists can use it as a tool to draw to enhance and improve their works.

[@chewsday5760]

I agree that human touches are important in any form of art. In manga, I particularly enjoy when they forgot to put screen tone or block an area, or the wonkiness of some lines.

[@extremepsyche3135]

"wonkiness" can be incorporated in the AI algorithm

[@int16_t]

"Any sufficiently advance AI is indistinguishable from human."

[@unravel9716]

I don't know much about this but if it becomes common it's like the manga artists work won't be that valuable anymore. People will start selling the AI one for cheaper so like it won't really be a job for humans anymore. The art won't be distinguishable soon

[@pogz1]

Well manga is dead

[@arontoth561]

​@@pogz1While I don't read manga myself, that's definitely not true

[@Jackie815]

They said creative works won't be affected but here we are!

[@lol311]

Creative artists would be affected brutally from AI. Mark my words. Forget about repititive jobs, they're already getting spanked by AI, now this.

[@GameBoyyearsago]

I live Ai Art, But I Like Actual Artist Hard Work, Metal Gear Art Work Is Better Than These Ai Art Work : )

[@lol311]

@@GameBoyyearsago But in few years, you won't be able to find a difference between Human work and AI. They learn way faster than us. No matter how pro-human you are, you can't ignore the fact that we're going to be proved useless within a decade.

[@kakyoindonut3213]

@@lol311 soon no one will have a job, and the economy will collapse

[@lol311]

@@kakyoindonut3213 One solution is Universal basic income. Our generation will be outsmarted soon but I care more about the upcoming generations. They won't be left with much jobs.

[@sethleoric2598]

Ok so imma put this out, i don't think we should fear AI art for being made by AI but we should fear it because we all know if it ever becomes so advanced that you can't tell it's made by an AI companies are just gonna use to cut costs and not pay or lay off artists more lol.

[@alexp.3694]

That has been their intention all along, lol

[@OcnarfPro]

Wow you just found out

[@machirim2805]

The solution is to label all AI-generated art as such and prohibit training AI with others’ artwork without their explicit permission. There’s no need to ban AI art or handicap AI development for the sake of paranoid, butthurt people.

[@kevinscales]

So people who are not artists should be excited about all the cool new art that will come from this, great, I look forward to that future. (btw, I think we will be waiting a very long time before you won't need human artists to make great art, but those artists may need different skills)

[@defaulted9485]

​@@machirim2805 We tried that. The result is now it took us 20x longer to skim Artstation. I support artist doing things faster but these people insulting hardwork by drowning other's work. How am I supposed to support something that even hates me for curating my preferences?

[@emmapeel8163]

faster? yes. soulless? yes.

[@williampan29]

cope? Indeed.

[@emmapeel8163]

@@williampan29 .. 🤡

[@aimankamil4818]

Artist and art student on sewerside watch, you love to see it

[@ZX-fg7wb]

If they never tell you it's AI, can you tell the soul?

[@williampan29]

@ZX-fg7wb if it's drawn by gingers, it's soulless

[@SadelinaV]

1:05 this is the exact attitude a lot of those AI picture generators have, they only think about "speed" and things like that, they don't think about actual craft of the real artists, because, as this person said at 0:25, majority of them either never tried drawing or they tried drawing and simply gave up because learning art and how to draw is difficult and will take you a life time to learn and master. I personally find it rewarding to read manga and see how the story and the art itself progresses overtime, how mangaka is becoming better and better at their craft, you genuinely feel pround for them and honored to be on this journey with them. AI can not replicate that, it can not replicate the imperfections, the human mistakes, the progress of the artstyle with time, AI is supposed to be "perfect" from the get go and it's boring. Even though I have a lot of reservasions about AI picture generator, I still think there is place for it in artistic community as the helping tool, doing the boring job, or adding effects, backgrounds, as was mentioned in the video. In the right hands, AI can be a great tool that can help a lot of creative people with their craft and works, but, sadly, we see the opposite of that, AI being abused by people who have no idea what art is, and actual real artists being pushed from their positions and shunned if they disagree. We are entering a very intresting era in entertaining industry, never have I thought that art could be automated and yet, here we are. The only hope I have is, like with the 3D movies, people will get tired from the "nou hau" and will start craving human art again.

[@pp2475]

You can have an AI play against a chess master, but where’s the fun in that? An AI can make 4 pictures, but watching Bob Ross paint? That’s a notch above anything AI. It’s just the state of the world we’re in today. Always better, faster, more. Even if AI becomes “better” than human artists, the masses will get bored, or not, I forgot how brain dead this world is becoming.

[@FreyjaRKim]

I'm totally with you. I recently looked back to Slam Dunk manga after watching its movie. I forgot that Inoue Takehiko didn't start off as the godtier manga artist that we know today. Even his art when Slam Dunk first started looks so... bizarre to look at now after years of knowing him for drawing Vagabond. I can say the same with Araki Hirohiko whose drawing and storytelling skills evolve with time. It's something truly human. And I think, no matter what, we will always love watching an artist works with their hands. 😢This kind of feels like the world depicted in the anime Carol & Tuesday, a world where all songs were written by AI. Carol and Tuesday became a phenomenon for writing their own songs, they did not win over the singer with AI-made song, but their songs touched people in the a way that had been long forgotten.

[@thatbluepowder]

"...I still think there is place for it in artistic community as the helping tool, doing the boring job, or adding effects, backgrounds, as was mentioned in the video." The problem is that those effects, backgrounds, etc, were sampled and taken from another artist without their consent or knowledge. So if you use AI, use someone else's elements, you're liable to get sued if you publish or make money off these AI generated images at some point later down the line. Why do that when you can buy that same 2D, 3D, Vector and Video stock content with a Creative Commons license?

[@sierrastanley3109]

I love hand drawn manga and don't think I'll ever get behind AI made manga. All my favorites are hand drawn and still are made hand drawn!!!

[@livetochange974]

Ya that's a bad way of copiing with advanced methods soon replacing the old...I mean ai has no feelings so insult it to your heart content lol

[@arson536]

Yeah that because ai still new. You never know what ai can do in the future.

[@minyaksayur]

I love hand drawing too, but considering that people who made the manga were underpaid and overworked, they will utilize AI more to reduce their workload.

[@emca1597]

Drawing takes too long to master, depending on the person as well, plus there's too many deadlines mangakas have to face and I'm sure in the future the ai will get a lot of major upgrades

[@awardedyew3325]

Nice.

[@abhilashpaul9237]

My Support to our Japanese manga artists.

[@danielchan1668]

It is thought-provoking how - in less than half a decade - perception of AI image generators went from comically unrealistic ("name one thing in this picture") to shockingly realistic!

[@kittinanpakboon8129]

And this is not the full thing yet This thing improving so fast per month Now we officially can say we can't even imagine what it can do in a year or two , like it's a far far future.

[@roehowlks]

AI can never express a person's delicate feelings

[@ac1455]

What if it was trained on feelings?

[@everythingnothing2978]

@@ac1455 It will take at least a few decades for that

[@4vllad]

Not yet ... but soon

[@Ash97345]

It will

[@Ash97345]

@@everythingnothing2978 few decades is way too long. Because of the rapid pace on how AI develops several years is enough for it to be indistinguishable.

[@juliemt1117]

Art is not about how it looks funny enough, it is about the feeling a person tires to express... You don't read comics to look at pretty images, you read it to feel and to take part of a story, or a journey.

[@luvv4079]

There're different feelings! Hand drawn manga gives emotions that can't be put to words

[@everythingnothing2978]

Yeah personally I love when background art in manga is handdrawn instead of just using app for it

[@phir9255]

@@everythingnothing2978 It's the same how some youtubers use intros made with an intro making site. Like can't you make your own unique intro, or pay someone else to make it for you?

[@banned0404]

AI ART IS SUPERIOR. AI ART IS THE FUTURE. ALL HAIL THE GREAT AI OVERLORDS! VIVA LA REVOLUTION! VIVA LA REVOLUTION! VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

[@idontcareaboutjean5748]

​@@banned0404 🤓

[@lunarebony6122]

Ikr. So many ppl r saying 'oh u just put it into a prompt', but before that, you need to put it into words, which is something even a human couldnt do. Which is why we have art

[@cheekcake779]

Glad that they’re being transparent about it. I’d have some reservations supporting these kind of works. Gonna be hard to convince me that these ‘creators’ deserve any revenue. If I’m going to be paying anyone for entertainment, I’d be paying artists who’ve learned their craft through years of hard work and learning.

[@jazz-axy9924]

What appeals to me about manga is watching the pages and seeing how hard to artist worked to draw everything. The love and attention they put into the drawn details.

[@halluminium]

And the insane amount of skill! I don't think I'll ever find an "AI artist" impressive or inspiring.

[@deadboltzz5199]

Really? All I see is a overworked artist getting paid pennies

[@pp2475]

@@deadboltzz5199 Then pay them more, treat them better, treat them like humans. Fix the core problem

[@deadboltzz5199]

@@pp2475 I'm no ceo of a manga company kid lol

[@2265Hello]

@@deadboltzz5199 unfortunately especially with how things are going over in Japan and the governments and social medias massive support for ai they are more likely to be fired or harnessed into joining their side. Not paid more

[@meryllamistoso]

the level of art and creativity and imagination still doesn't compare. it's the same with portrait paintings. we have highres cameras and all but people still like the art in hand-drawn portraits

[@saricubra2867]

"doesn't compare" It will, give it time.

[@marashdemnika5833]

@Moonlight Gamers yes

[@MrHjacky]

How many want to pay for hand drawn portraits, close to 0

[@Luckyland2014]

When something can be created so easily, its value decreases and people no longer appreciate it as much

[@unravel9716]

I keep hearing about AI these days, it feels like it's advancing so fast and kinda scary lol

[@oaktharas]

But they all look the same. You recognize this particular AI style right? Thick, vivid color, kidna “korean looking people”, and messed up hands

[@tac7826]

You can take the lol out because as you said this is scary and signals mass unemployment in most sectors due to ai and robots.

[@unravel9716]

@@tac7826 I don't necessarily mean laughing when I put lol there but well okay 🤷‍♀️

[@tac7826]

@@unravel9716 lol = laughing out loud

[@unravel9716]

@@tac7826 You're very right but it's just used in different context these days like not to sound so serious on something for example

[@Yen-jw1ls]

as long as most of the samples used are their own drawing or are commissioned from another, I don't mind. unfortunately, many copy and paste images from online without the artist's permission and still claim the result is 100% theirs. It's not ok to do this to the photographer when using photoshop so it's still not ok now with ai art software.

[@gabrielchin4161]

That's the part I don't like, the technology is impressive. But it can only function using other's art. Especially in this case where the person is selling it.

[@defaulted9485]

When you algorithmically disgorge an AI, it cannot train anymore. Neurologically impair a human is a crime. But human can relearn that skill by themselves from nothing and just a $0.1 pencil and eraser as to what AI needs in 5 Billion Data Sets of TeraBytes upom TeraBytes of data.

[@Yen-jw1ls]

@@defaulted9485 which is why I suggest that the user should teach the ai themselves/manually using their own source material instead of stealing the material from others. the other option is that the ai software dev themselves create or buy the materials legally to add into their own database.

[@zealgaming8161]

@@defaulted9485 Many models such as anything v3 has millions of works fed into it to give it context. Now when it has context. You can easily feed a few images into it with dreambooth or lora and it will downright copy a style or scene down to the finest of details. All you need is a 8gb Vram GPU.

[@Daniel-D97]

This is what most artists complain about and ai stan are just saying that we're opposing new tech 🙃

[@Penstroak]

I wish Manga artists were paid well for their awesome work. Now AI is here 😓

[@deadboltzz5199]

They can easily replace everyone even the voice actors

[@kharpa2597]

Knowing the dark side of Mangaka job, I believe AI might be used as minor tool (as some art hacks, like pre-made sets for backgrounds and clothes brushes) Mangakas have a lot to draw in the short periods of time, so it would be helpful to make the process easier, so Mangakas can focus on really important parts

[@krunkle5136]

But where's the line drawn with AI? And you say dark side, while every passionate field has a dark side of obsession, but we really like that if we're honest. People like to see others push themselves, and it's the death of culture when everyone is convinced to take it easy.

[@KitsuneShapeShifter]

Finally someone gets it, Mangaka can finally get the time to focus on what they really want to convey in a work instead of drudging trying to shade the most difficult eyebrows on a furled face, when they really just want to tell the story. An AI could learn their style and be a brilliant assistant that cuts work for them by a lot!

[@rem7502]

​@@KitsuneShapeShifter a lot of them already photobash to save time on environments

[@KitsuneShapeShifter]

@@rem7502 Makes sense!

[@s-nova9254]

@@KitsuneShapeShifter what about human assistants huh?

[@yunyung]

Traditional manga artists may be beatable in terms of work done in a specific duration but unbeatable in terms of values and emotions displayed. The slight flaws makes hand drawn mangas perfect

[@gilberttraisson7893]

yes for now. Will we still be able to say that in 3 years? in 5 years? I doubt.

[@justacheese34yearsago28]

Cope

[@greatveemon2]

The more I see this type of people keeps depending on AI, the more I appreciate ONE's manga especially Mob Pyscho. It's not beautifully drawn but at least it's comprehensible and I could see he put his dedication and passion on making the manga.

[@ArvySan]

People appreciate something that needs skill and time to master. It's like comparing japanese instant noodle with ramen made by ramen master, see? Although instant noodle sell well for those who lazy to go out and eat, people will still prefer the original made by chef. Soo the answer is no, still waaay too far before taking manga business. Although I DO hope that with this the Manga World will improve or evolve into a new era so that author or mangaka artist will be less stressed or can relieve some of their burden when drawing their series

[@ellechi7337]

Yes. I think they can coexist together. Just like how we have instant noodle and noodle restaurants.

[@achuuuooooosuu]

I can see this to be the future. In reality, humans will still thrive for traditional human-made creations. I’d take AI art as the fast food of the art industry. Human artists would be where people would go to experience and relish human-made works.

[@ellechi7337]

Lots of manga artists got wrist injury. The new AI can help them in that aspect I hope.

[@defaulted9485]

​@@ellechi7337 As much as I want HunterxHunter and Berserk to continue, I dont want them to be labelled as "nobody wants to work anymore" as Netflix said to WIT Studio to make an AI Assisted anime short.

[@ellechi7337]

@Defaulted Reset I don't mean it as a work completely made by AI either. I'm just thinking of an idea of how AI and artist can benefit each other

[@nat0106951]

when time comes at 90% of manga will be ai drawned. Hand drawn will shine more and will be sought more by fans

[@little7cider]

I think its like going to concert and listening to recording. In recording version you heard the "fixed" voiced. But coming to concert, airing and listening their mess is what makes art art. I might not be able to differentiate ai and hand drawn art. But i would really appreciate the hand drawn one.

[@flaguser4196]

in art, people pay for artists. not the product itself. a great looking photograph that took less effort cannot command the same price as a hand painting. take away the effort and skill barrier, then the laws of supply and demand will work against you.

[@charliepea]

Thousands of artists sturggle to master art for decades of studying while all this guy do is type some words and instant voila. It's unfair man, and considering that AI uses other artists' work without their knowledge and put them in a collage make it worse.

[@joshuagraham2843]

i agree, i dont against the AI AI is just a tool but i against untalented people making money without any drawing skill

[@versaleyang]

Get used to it, our society will need UBI real soon, or else most of us will become jobless in a couple years

[@nessparadis6948]

@@versaleyang , what’s UBI?

[@versaleyang]

@@nessparadis6948 universal basic income

[@terrizoop3739]

@@versaleyang if you’re suggesting that most people will be able to rely on selling AI-generated images to make an income for themselves, then that plan is already dead in the water. The market is so saturated that only a few people will manage to make a decent living like that, so this isn’t becoming a “universal” income anytime soon

[@LaCrownedGamer]

I think eventually there will have to be a balance. If you take away all streams of revenue for human artists, and they stop displaying or producing work, the AI will eventually have nothing else to learn from. Everything would look the same because nothing new would be added to the data base. Something will have to give, either some type of law or certain things must be human made, etc.

[@nessparadis6948]

Great point, but it might be to where there are very few artists…

[@pepperoni-pizza2457]

I agree with you. It's like the chess engines, even when computers win to humans, people still prefer to watch humans playing chess because they have they own chess style and the computers calculate extremely "perfect" but boring chess movements. And even if chess players learn and use some things from computers they just improve the human capabilities and make the game more interesting for humans vs humans. Humans are unpredictable lol

[@Rvernx.designs]

Then they will soon hire few artists to draw for te ai.

[@JohnDoe-oj1ew]

I mean the AI could make art by itself and learn from that

[@cmendy1809]

AI works with data, it combines it and makes something new out of it. We have three main colors from which all other colors come, so does the AI do the same and takes only a few data and create infinite combinations, each more unique than the other. Human creativity works the same way, your data is your memory of what you have seen, heard, touched, smelled and tasted. From all this we create new combinations, just like the AI does, and just like the AI, we cannot come up with ideas that we have never seen before, we can only work with our data (memory). If you were to ask a human being to create a color that doesn't exist (yet), he couldn't because that's beyond his capacity, nobody can create something they've never seen before. But if you asked the AI, and we're talking about a much more advanced one, with a higher data input, it could combine as many colors as it needs for as long as it takes until it maybe finds a color we've never seen before. So no, AI will not need human creativity for long to sustain its work.

[@starryskyhighway9628]

finally traditional anime art will be appreciated! it kinda sad people look digital art and wowed at them making people who draw godly literally by hands on paper with no layer tools or some sorts are often overlooked

[@biomuseum6645]

Yes but it will be appreciated for the most part for being human, forget quality I want to appreciate things for what they offer, not just because “human did it”

[@everythingnothing2978]

I think traditional anime art will become a thing again .When artist just said if my work is gonna get copyrighted,why not go to the root again.

[@notcornelius123]

These two mediums were already separately respected in mutual.

[@wallakfir90]

Traditional anime art is appreciated but no one does that anymore because of the cost and extra work load.

[@starryskyhighway9628]

@@wallakfir90 yeah digital bring money but if ppl run to AI like this one...probably artist need to use traditional method to be relevant. we'll see , i still appreciate their hardwork tho no ill feelings.

[@alileevil]

Pretty soon AI will also be able to make videos like this

[@TheSlayer.]

It's already doing it. There are people that make AI generated videos for kids. That's why you see little kids watching the weirdest stuff on KZbin

[@fajarkurniawan9434]

It already did

[@anyanyanyanyanyany3551]

@@iii___iii what makes you think the person you're replying to isn't an AI?

[@TheSlayer.]

@@anyanyanyanyanyany3551 How do I know you are not an AI generated commenter?

[@anyanyanyanyanyany3551]

@@TheSlayer. I passed Tewring test

[@shlokdhara5798]

This will just increase the value of real artists, when something becomes easy available and accessible it loses its value. After a few months no one's gonna read mass produced manga's who release 1 chapter a day its bound to get stale and people will look for real art more.

[@nessparadis6948]

They can release them at a more human pace and claim it was man made.

[@justacheese34yearsago28]

I mean T shirt are mass produced but they still buy it ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@pp2475]

@@justacheese34yearsago28 false equivalence but I wouldn’t rely on you to know why

[@racool911]

@@pp2475 Kinda rude, but I think the reasoning behind the comparison is that mass producing something doesn't reduce consumption unless it crosses consumer demand.

[@seshajelmaanularhitamtahks8275]

No one can defeat junji ito work, even Al can't replicate his work 😂

[@meanybody4515]

Just give five years and will be ten times better than any of his work.

[@sharifyrk]

If his work is online in any format. I’d give it a few months 🤣

[@aquita1ne90]

@@meanybody4515 Ai art might make it look ‘better’ than Junji’s ito’s own work, but it’s the feeling and emotion from drawing they will never copy. Unlike an Ai’s, Junji ito manages to put so much emotion a single piece of art and its authentic as well. Ai could not mimick his art if he didn’t start drawing.

[@HaightTheGreat]

In my opinion, AI just makes human art more precious.

[@ebeyslough]

AI art is just not there yet. Not saying it won't be, but at the moment artists still have that upper hand when it comes to breathing life and character into their drawings and it's noticeable. In 5 to 10 years, the gap might close.

[@oLevLovesLove]

One year ago the Dall-E version released to public was producing barely human shapes, today we're trying to find the extra fingers to catch the AI. In another year, there will be no technical critique possible.

[@biomuseum6645]

Don’t cheer for the f machine

[@everythingnothing2978]

it's like saying that drawing hair using art app brush look better than drawn hair , it's just not the same

[@Aaron-xr7oc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYe3ZIqLlpJnbrs Sorry bud.

[@versaleyang]

It won't take 5-10 years, 5-10 months max, mark my words.

[@FoNgThOnG]

Easy answer: No. Takes hours to days for Manga Artists to finish one panel while it takes A.I. to finish a whole chapter in minutes. Support your Artists, not this AI Garbage.

[@abhinav4095]

it takes years for u to travel to a faraway place using your legs but airplanes can take u there in hours. Which do u support?

[@starryskyhighway9628]

manga artist draw on paper and edited on computer i meant like those webmanga should have lower value now hahahahahaha

[@jonathanc2536]

​@@abhinav4095 Art is a subjective thing. I will always prefer manually drawn art because it has more soul regardless if the AI can create something similar much faster. Not the same as simply getting somewhere faster because of a machine.

[@breakinggames1810]

Exactly

[@trickbaitman]

@@iii___iii How?

[@robstefani9853]

The ominous irony of the first AI manga being a cyberpunk story.

[@jamesnaldplayzyt7323]

You know what an AI does not have? it's heart. And I mean it both literally, and metaphorically.

[@marashdemnika5833]

What if we build a heart

[@suvam_0]

Heart for what? Pumping electricity?

[@user-io2yy2jx5g]

2:04 this is well perfectly said, the sentence i wanna describe through my mouth, the work of an ai is comparatively "too smooth" the draw by a traditional artist can't be compared to it, but who knows maybe an even better ai could reproduce something like that, we never know 🤷

[@ac1455]

It probably can draw rough too if you tell it to

[@scarlet_phonavis6734]

@@ac1455 can confirm Ai is scary, you can have it generate basically anything at this point with a couple minutes of rerolls and sufficent knowledge You can even save some rerolls if you make Hypernetworks or LORA support

[@q_q123]

Although convenient, what's missing are the emotions that artists feel while drawing each panel- something AI are incapable of. You can't get that human connection to the artist

[@starhill8456]

Ture 👍🏾

[@nelsonzou3890]

Give it another decade

[@justacheese34yearsago28]

Cope

[@justacheese34yearsago28]

​@@nelsonzou3890 dawg 1-2 years probably enough time (I hope I'm wrong tho)

[@marashdemnika5833]

@@justacheese34yearsago28 agreed

[@Dee_me]

Absolutely prefer the hand drawn one.. Somehow i can feel the artists emotion and character ❤️

[@symartin45]

AI may create faster result, but nothing beats hand drawing. I hope all studios continue using traditional arts.

[@skitsketch]

Nothing beats the human touch in art. People like art because of this unique emotional connection.

[@honey3693]

As much as I am amazed, I also feel sad for all the hard works the mangaka have put in their own creations. I hope we can make distinctionsm

[@hasphine7585]

They really just need to create laws surrounding what art AI can use. If we can make it illegal to use other artists works without permission I would be okay with using AI. It's really frustrating that small creators are losing their art and hard work for no credit at all. If we can get better laws around intellectual property and artists, AI will be more ethical to use imo.

[@UswahAst]

Like being able to write using computer, the handwriting will not disappear. It is indeed regressed for younger generation but for the enthusiastic people, handwriting still have big value

[@whyyoumadbro2370]

I think this could work if implemented well and even help improve conditions for mangaka so they don't have to work as hard. Now I'm not saying it should replace hand drawing completely but complement it instead.

[@nerd26373]

Traditionally drawn mangas feel much more authentic in contrast to AI drawn manga. While we appreciate the innovation behind all this, this kinda defeats the standard of valuing hard work and effort that normally goes into illustrating panels.

[@KhakikiRoom713]

i still and will still read and support traditional manga artwork..🥺

[@pohtahto283]

I would appreciate more the hand drawn because it's a masterpiece that created by great artists

[@harithaspidy]

i think the authorities should license the art styles of artists and let the artists use them in their own ai models so the plagiarism of art styles never happen. by letting artists train their own ai models will make drawing easier for them which is the purpose of technology. And we can have non copyrighted public open source models for the people who dont know how to draw. this way everyone can be happy

[@breakinggames1810]

I feel like it's just a smack in artists faces

[@mariachristinetadle3565]

It could be faster...but for me, being an artist with different styles is the best. The atmosphere of how you draw by hand is immaculate for me. ❤

[@shahlegno5890]

Mangaka can use ai as a minor tool to assist in their drawing process less tiring and faster to be done, not to use it 100% but maybe 30% in their process work.

[@rolandmclovin1499]

Keep supporting AI if you want to be replaced by them , after all the humanity keeps inventing stuffs that endangers themselves

[@GameBoyyearsago]

Agreed : )

[@win2teabag009]

Time to find john conner then

[@AK_S405]

no it will make life easier simple job which cannot be done by AI will simply start paying more

[@halfcutonion6342]

@@AK_S405 Thats not true, explain to me how it’s better for cooks, engineers, cashiers, data analysts, office workers, laborers, and artists if AI does their job but better, they will literally lose their jobs. The only people who would benefit from AI are the ones with a lot of money, not the middle class and poor.

[@AK_S405]

@@halfcutonion6342 just like how machine replaced jobs that used to exist but no more it will happen slowly none of them will loose their jobs in a day but would take years scopes for the jobs will slowly die down and the more the country count benefit from it the better it provides to the citizen the jobs which cant be done by AI will simply pay massive so far AI could at the most replace digital jobs

[@mehreen5338]

AI "DRAWING" ISN'T DRAWING. It's literally based off of works from other artists. It's generating an image by combining other pieces of information. NOT creating.

[@demogorgeous2504]

You just described traditional art. And any creative process in general. That's exactly how human brain works.

[@AK_S405]

a human mind is not capable of generation a brank new face either just try to imagine an random face u will only be able to form a person u saw a photo of or in real life even people combine bits and pieces from different place

[@saxophones1041]

@@demogorgeous2504 that's debatable when a human does it it is usually for reference and even if you tried to copy the style its never 1 to 1 and you're most likely going to develop your own style along the way Ai however tries it's best to make it 1 to 1 depending on how much data it has of the artist

[@shlokdhara5798]

@@AK_S405 My guy the op used the word "creating" in his comment. Knowing something and applying something are two different things, everyone knows what a face looks like, i.e everyone can generate a face in their mind but the real challenge is applying that knowledge on paper. Anyone can generate/produce ideas but what separates artists and regular people dreaming big is creating/applying. AI bridges this gap, it doesn't require you to apply your knowledge, the AI applies it for you, which isn't considered real art no matter how much these guys cope. There's bound to be saturated AI art at some point, this gonna just increase the value of real artists

[@AK_S405]

@@shlokdhara5798 it is physically not possible for human brain to create new face it also uses references "It may seem that way, but it is impossible. human brain is incapable of “creating” a new face. Every person you dream of has been someone you have either known personally or merely came across looking through your friend's Facebook photos." -boston university's research on dreams and if a random guy tells you they created a art which was AI generated you will praise and see all the life in it unless they tell you it was AI generated

[@justasinglesummon3912]

Hand drawn animation or art will be hard to beat, it really has it's own flow, style, emotion and so on

[@JV-yd4qg]

Copyrights will be the bigger issue here. AI tend to repeat some drawing if they heavily relied on poor subtext.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

Rightly pointed out. The issue of copyright is key, because it dictates who will profit from all these 'work'. At the end of the day, it's all about money, not creativity.

[@ImCurrentlyNaked]

Given that other AI comic I've seen (the one famous for being denied copyright), I'm sure this one is just as stilted, visually confusing, and trying to make up for the AIs shortcomings in every panel as well. The AIs can be great assistance, and could probably vastly reduce the price if you hired an artist to draw the main features of each panel, but really should be used as the lead artist, or only artist, on these projects. Will AI eventually be drawing our illustrations and comics entirely? Maybe - but I think the day that happens will be a sad one indeed. AI doesn't truly create anything new, it just rehashes and combines the old; we'll be stagnant artistically at that point. If we're willing to replace the artists, why not musicians, writers, directors, actors, anybody? Why should a human hand be needed to craft what we consume at all? It's bleakly dystopian.

[@racool911]

If that day is sad then that will never happen. Cause the AI didn't truly reach the level it needs to in order to replace human creativity.

[@ImCurrentlyNaked]

@@racool911 If AI can replace human creativity outright, then what's our purpose, our goal, what do we do with ourselves? There's nothing an individual can ever do to leave his mark upon the world. I don't know how that can be described as anything but bleak and sad. And if you're imagining some scenario where humans no longer have to work or do anything with their lives; whilst you might see that as a dream, I see it as a nightmare, and the best way to start a very fast decline for humanity. Why study and learn anything, when the AI can answer any question and solve any problem? Why bother with any creative pursuit when the AI can do it better, and so much more quickly? Why better ourselves in any way? Why bother with anything? It's dystopian.

[@graveyardcook1607]

Dude this will only increase the cost of a hand made manga. Just like handmade designer bags. And tbh, i'd pay for a manga thats drawn by actual people.

[@kubli365]

The fact that it's cyberpunk is perfect

[@JogenSan]

I'll always love hand drawn traditional images due to the fact that it shows an artists skill/emotion. I find myself thinking, "That must have taken a while to draw" when looking at panels so I can appreciate the skill and talent gone into it. I'm not saying Ai is bad or a bad thing. People have different tastes, and it all comes down to what appeals to an individual at the end of the day. Either way, love what you love

[@Ampaomike]

Traditional Painting took years to complete then when digital tools came it took a days but now AI can drawn by minute I have mixed feelings about this sometimes it can be useful to health problems like Togashi so he can continue his manga with using AI or it can be end of Mangaka's career forever if the publishing companies are finally accept this AI manga style

[@zacksterxenres8589]

I Read The Manga And I Didnt Felt Any Emotion And Feelings From Manga....It Was Like I Am Watching A Blank Paper With Full Of Colors Which Are Not Affecting Me. The Reason Everyone Loves Manga Is Because There Is Love Behind The Manga The Hardwork Which Pays Off! That Gives Us Real Emotion And Feelings That We Feel And Love !

[@redpandaproductions]

Drawing manga isn't about time efficiency for money, it's about expressing an artist creation and an extension of yourself into something great. So frankly, the fact that it took him 6 weeks is unimportant because he didn't actually make the artwork but sells it as if he did. It's just a business transaction at this point. No one will replace manga artists.

[@somerandomperson6511]

AI still can not portray the same emotional expression in art that manga artists can, nor can they produce a consistent stylized art very well, at least yet

[@Lavie_Azure]

The "artist" who "made" the AI manga clearly gives away that he just wants to gain an advantage over manga artists, rather than doing it for the craft.

[@amiraziz7163]

This is only the first AI generated manga. Can't imagine what it can be 3-4 years in the future and Ai tech develop faster too. Deymm. I am afraid of future. I'm still in the midle of practicing manga drawing💀

[@Lapusso650]

0:34 less than one minute actually. Genius.

[@leonard9636]

Hand drawn art >> than A.I stuff in my opinion. That level of imperfection that comes with hand drawn art makes hand dawn art perfect.

[@Jay-eb7ik]

why can't ai copy those imperfections too?

[@MISSCARTOONNERD78]

Like others have said I don't believe there is much to fear about AI. My belief is that it may be it's own section or feature but won't disrupt thw overall industry. Art being hand drawn or created digitally by an artist may always been seen as a suitable option. Fans of any Anime, Manga ect. would tell you the art style AND the story is what makes the fans.

[@ronniechong314]

So does this lower the cost or higher, since its much easier & faster now to produce manga & sorts?

[@yann1922]

AI should be used as tool Like, maybe the artists draw the sketch and then ask the AI to complete it with colors and the character they wants as well as the background, and then correct what's wrong and make minor change in order to make the things looks as they imagined it

[@gotmilk91]

AI doesn't have to produce images based on standard proportions though 🤔

[@mygamechannel2300]

Yeah, AI can literally copy any art style or even combine them to make new style.

[@shelbycat8234]

If anything I find that AI art seems to be a little more wonky, asymmetrical or disproportionate.

[@_FunctionONE]

This is neat and that's it. Art is a human expression.

[@IsaganiPumar]

Every Manga Artist should be supportive. Considering this is EXACTLY what you'd expect in an anime.

[@richie2419]

Supportive of their drawings being stolen and potentially their jobs? No. Art takes time and people like me appreciate all of the effort and time put into the work. Now its just going to feel stale to me, all of the meaning is gone and i wont even bother admiring the ai art, even if its looking great. It just feels lazy to me. I want authenic art to appreciate. Ai art just looks off and lacks emotion.

[@derekghh]

Right now it's not very useful to manga artist because it uses text prompt. If one day it can use line art prompt, such as retaining artist's partial work, and enhance it with completed line strokes and full coloring, then it will really help this industry.

[@lucy9698]

AI draws its knowledge from existing art and ideas. I think this is a copyright issue waiting to happen, just a matter of time.

[@piorism]

The lawsuits are happening right now.

[@fireaza]

So do humans. Every artist in history has been influenced by another artist who came before them.

[@lucy9698]

@@fireaza The difference is that humans are capable of generating 100% original works and ideas. AI is not.

[@bushral.tasneem5464]

@@fireaza There is always something original about their artwork. So many people were inspired by dragon ball Z and went to make incredible manga. However if anyone outrightly copied dragon ball Z (like what AI tends to do) there would be undoubtedly loads of backlash. Comparing humans with AI is just strange.

[@randomka-52alligatorthatis34]

Not the kind of Skynet that everyone assumed would happen I guess

[@matthewnolancintron]

I think that it still took a form of creativity and artistic ability to use AI to create this Manga. In this context, the AI is being used as a tool by this creator, similar to how a illustrator might use pen and ink as their tool. Some artists might prefer using a traditional medium for their art others will work purely digital, traditional and digital mediums can also be blend together. The same goes for creating art using AI, the creator can choose how much and in what way it will be used. Everyone's process for making art is going to be different and unique the result will speak for itself. This doesn't make me worry, I will continue to enjoy making and consuming art.

[@blackarmax8028]

altough what you say seems true, in deeper essence the AI relliance still will affect the art outcome. in simple terms anything taken from shortcut never deliver prolong, in this case the art created fully on AI, because AI tools are indeed massive shortcuts to a lot much broader art form, including all the sense to making such work

[@sabrina1380m]

AI isn't simply a tool like a traditional pen and ink. Image generating and manual drawing/creating aren't the same and can't be equated. Idk why some people want to credit AI works as theirs and pretend they are the same as actual content and art creators, typing word inputs isn't the same as a lengthy creative process .

[@meanybody4515]

​@@sabrina1380m AI are virtual writers and artists.

[@fiona7259]

The art style is the key point of handdraw manga

[@user-hs1zo6cw3k]

This shouldn't be legal. Let's not sweep this under the rug, pictures from AI are stolen from varous artists and they just paste it all together to make a "new" piece. We shouldn't encourage this. AI used to be "how far is their capability" and now turned to "what can AI do for us". Sad

[@xaint5298]

Not just artworks, but real life photos That's why it can create realistic images, don't worry artists/musicians will stay and can still go traditional while the programmers who created them will be completely replaced by Ai in a few short years which is poetic and funny

[@LavenRain96]

Regardless of what the mangaka claims, using AI to create a manga out of it and selling it for profit is illegal in my book. AI is mostly used as a reference to further heighten the artist's abilities and improve them, not to steal other artists' works. AI generated images used for profit making should be banned. >:(

[@whatisthis22]

I think AI can be used to assist the mangaka, such as automatic coloring or something. But story will still be told by the artist.

[@ShelleyM007]

Such interesting content. Change is nearly always unsettling, and even threatening, however I’m sure AI in this field will become a useful tool, and not a replacement for these amazingly creative manga artists.

[@sunphin2610]

I think the beautiful about art is how artists can express their feelings and their own style in there with hard work and then AI art just eh:|

[@daiman3673]

If someone would have tell me that one day a cat 😺 could have made its own Manga, I wouldn't believe it untill now ! 😮 Woah! Congrats Mr. Neko-san !! 🙌👏👏

[@nguyentranminhthoi8962]

😂

[@KaizenEC]

I know a lot of folks are saying hand drawn is much better. I agree. But that is for now. A mangaka can train an AI model such that it draws just like them using their drawings as the training data. This would be super beneficial for them healthwise because many popular artists have to take breaks due to the amount of hours they work and the toll drawing takes on their hands and wrists. Maybe draw as much as you like but don't be afraid to use tools like AI for assistance to save the person some pain

[@shwetashetye8254]

Those dead eyes in those pictures- they aren’t peering in my soul.

[@realnova7429]

AI is making art design open to everybody, as someone who always dreamed of making similar art but who cannot draw because of dysgraphia this is a blessing.

[@simonspethmann8086]

Somebody using AIb isn't making art, though, they're essentially commissioning it (aka telling somebody or something else to do it for them). That way of hiring s.b. else, however, was always open to everybody.

[@realnova7429]

@@simonspethmann8086 its like using photoshop, you use inputs to make something digitaly

[@simonspethmann8086]

@@realnova7429 no. it's like ordering a pizza. you give them a list of toppings and they deliver. the end. at best you could say it's a Photoshop filter, just a thousand times more advanced. still. if you input a photo and run a Photoshop filter, you haven't "created" anything, either. you've pushed a button.

[@PirateWolf09]

​​@@simonspethmann8086 but it allows faster crafting of other art forms. You're focusing too much on the illustration part but ignoring the rest of the picture. Like, for example, this will allow more accessibility for aspiring game developers that want a unique touch in their projects. Or art that involves many elements, where the AI generates the components and the artist merges all at will.

[@simonspethmann8086]

@@PirateWolf09 Oh, as long as it's sourced ethically I'm all for it. Would be great for comic book creators, too, if you can train it on your own art style (plus maybe the classics for composition). Or for the creation of reference... Actually, I don't bake my own pizza, either, and am totally fine with that. 😜 It's just that calling in a pizza doesn't make me pizza chef, same as entering a prompt won't make anybody an artist.

[@luciferisdeath1239]

Nah ... Hand drawn manga are something else ... If you are a manga lover u know the quality and the feeling of hand-drawn

[@rizalramadan2238]

gantz is a manga that popularized editing and Photoshop techniques, many people were skeptical of it, but when the manga started, the manga exploded, so it's just a matter of time for manga with Ai to become so popular, what distinguishes Gantz from Ai, in Gantz, human power is still very much needed at Ai. scary

[@aminriqky]

i could imagine in a few years from now where a studio work is to draw with their own art style to provide models for AI to create animation/comic faster, a lot of adaptation from manga to anime could be make a lot faster, we're gonna have a lot of anime to watch, and probably the animator would not overwork to death again.

[@justacheese34yearsago28]

My guy underestimated Corporations, watch how they lower Animator and Artist salary or Overworked them even more using "but they use AI so it's easy" excuse

[@vrdodododo3625]

Invention of cameras didn't end realism arts. In the end it's all about choosing the right medium to tell the right story. That's why many manga/anime adaptation with high budget CGI didn't find success. So, I think talented artists will not be replaced by technology.

[@fireaza]

It DID however push artists to be more original and creative instead of just copying reality. That sounds like a win all around to me.

[@rikkasummer2784]

all this ai art is thanks to human...... if artist did not upload their art and there is no single art in internet.....we cannot even do this

[@iainmanapat6643]

I honestly do think that the question should be the other way around No matter how advanced a motherboard gets, it can't convey human expression and artistry

[@TheDrodder]

Even if AI is able to deliver the most amazing work ever, it still boils down to the fact that it comes from the same software. It's like the same art director is doing all the work for everyone which quickly becomes incredibly dry

[@chettonex]

So many light novels could be converted into manga with the right AI training. Just think about that! Artists and AI combined could work a lot faster to deliver so much content!

[@theonlythingihavetosayis9333]

I know, I love it. This is the reason why I started writing my light novel. All because of the possibilities of AI

[@Shinesart]

​@@theonlythingihavetosayis9333But remember, you cannot get copyright for the images done with Ai. You can only copyright your story and panel layouts. That AI manga will have nothing to say if people take out the images only and get profit from there. We've seen that with zarya of dawn comic.

[@zealgaming8161]

@@Shinesart GL with that, once Disney start using AI to draw their Mikey's. Just try saying that in court when you copy their work and they send their Pitbull lawyers at you.

[@Shinesart]

@@zealgaming8161 OG Mickey is going public domain soon. But later version might still have copyright. Disney might have a way to sue you but for the AI manga images, there is no copyright since everything including character design was made with AI.

[@irfansatrio4621]

Why?