Japanese Makita vs Milwaukee Gen 3 Impact Driver: TD172D

[@TorqueTestChannel]

This impact driver is at the top of our Teal Team shirt here: bit.ly/3liWXEB If you're an astute Makita fan you might be saying "XDT16 is not the US version of this tool, the TD172D is newer" which is correct. Should have been worded XDT16 is the closest to this and latest you can buy in the US, and also rated for the same power. But not "same"

[@reginalb124]

Ordered, but....That shirt needs a teal version. Just saying.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

@@reginalb124 Those are all of the green options we have, will petition Teespring!

[@paedahe4975]

The Japanese version comes in salmon/pink, for the ladies. Salmon shirts for the ladies is a good idea as well?

[@octaviocesaraquinolopez3295]

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[@GTR-bz5qu]

Can you review AZKOSK 20V MAX Cordless Impact Wrench from Amazon?

[@salimuddin-tg2uk]

Upgraded from an older 18v kit. kzbin.infoUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.

[@trex69]

Nothing but problems with my milwakees. Never had a problem with any of my makitas, even from back in the early 2000's !!!!

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

I've had the DTD171 in Canada (xdt16) since Jan 2019...its done everything I ask of it and more. It feels sooo much better in hand then other peoples milwaukees I've used, ergonomics and trigger pull.

[@harii3803]

Makita impact is the most durable, used it as installer to drive 1/2" x 6 inches screws for 10 yrs, still working, it got honorable retirement when i switched job. had hilti impact, was broken in 3 months (hex chuck retainer), and co worker's dewalt also broke within 6 months. after 10 yrs, the only problem was the clutch to stop doesnt work anymore.

[@simasm.9757]

4:42 thanks for reminding me almost forgot to press like that this channel 100% deserves

[@hcgtiger4724]

I Frankensteined a half inch anvil into my old brushed m18 impact and it's awesome lol

[@kylelake3262]

How did you figure it out?

[@robertcasey3528]

I did the same thing only it was to my car but I don't know what it is now or what it can do. 🤣

[@electric_sway]

This video showed me how much I got used to the colors of Makita, Dewalt, Milwaukee, etc...

[@antonfloor344]

I have this Makita since 2 weeks and it’s amazing

[@TheVdog12]

Great video as always bro. Little mistake though, the td172 is not the same as our xdt16 the xdt16 is the td171 over seas. The 172 isnt out for the us market yet but it will most likely be the xdt19. The new driver is comparable in performance but has a lot of size and weight savings.

[@ianmaw66]

Just a small correction if I may: the project farm test compared the 171 to a Japanese 172, which is a newer model, not a Japanese 171, so he wasn't really comparing like for like. I enjoyed your video, thanks.

[@kirya312]

Interesting, i didn't know that!

[@januszR]

@@kirya312 because no one questioned it and everyone just repeated... also AvE compared two completely different tools.

[@majus1334]

@@januszR AvE did not compare two different models... He evaluated a single Japanese impact, where he came to conclusion that Japanese model has to be better, because he haven't seen a "pro-sumer" tool made that skookum. Ofc, his conclusion was wrong, it has nothing to do with it being a Japanese model. It's just Makita being a Japanese company.

[@KM-os4be]

Not a pro but picked up a makita XDT13Z impact driver 1,500 in. lbs. last year on sale. I’m impressed with its performance and size.

[@tonytooltime5373]

How about the KOBALT XTR vs FLEX!? Same maker, same store, Probably the most Similar. 🔨👍😁👍🔧

[@TorqueTestChannel]

We can do that

[@greenskiis]

I was just about to write the same thing! The XTR has an excellent reputation and feels a lot more comfortable than the Flex.

[@bleach_drink_me]

I like my XTR and normal Kobalt but not willing to jump to flex as it seems too similar. I for one will be curious to see the numbers.

[@vinnybeedle1728]

i have a US xdt16 i got like three years ago now. Nothing is more useful at the junkyard; zips most fasteners on the japanese cars up to 14mm head right out. I bring the makita xwt mid torque too for bigger fasteners like frame, engine mount, and head bolts. Of course it does woodwork with no issues as well. I realy appreciate the reverse testing you guys do; i would agree impacts are most useful backwards. i actually appreciate the relatively low forward torque on this driver as i do sometimes use it to zip on 10-12mm fasteners snd its low enough torque i dont need to worry about breaking things. i just let it get two or three impacts into tightening and stop. Compliments tk the trigger.

[@jameswieler3295]

But the Makita is made in Japan and the M18 Fuel is made in China. Easy to justify the price difference as the Japanese tool will likely last much llonger = better value plus supporting a democratic economy.

[@alexmills1329]

Exactly, I will gladly pay more for the same tool to not be made in China and Japanese quality is just a bonus there

[@DiligentDave1966]

Even the Japanese tools use Chinese parts.

[@Undisputed_King]

Makitas for the international market are made in China lol

[@Skwish6952]

The xdt16 is not the same as the one you have here. The TD171d is the same as the 16. The 172 you have is the newest 18v model makita has brought out. It is not yet available here in the states. I apologize to name drop on your channel, but tools and stuff has some great videos on all the makita impacts and more.

[@brettwalkom948]

Exactly what I was thinking.. Also that project farm episode he was talking about. He's comparing two different models too

[@Andrew-xd9fg]

I thought the same. These guys need to get their facts straight and do some research before hand

[@svn5994]

@@Andrew-xd9fg The world is going to end due to a simple mistake. Cry me a river.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Both exactly 133 ft-lbs rated, easy mistake to make I guess. XDT16 is just the latest you can get in the US to compare to this, but not same after all. Thanks.

[@enobil]

Exactly. It is no big deal for this torque testing purpose, but project farm draws lots of wrong conclusions about japanese made vs chinese made while he is actually comparing td172 vs dtd171/xdt16. It's ok for this video.

[@mattcollins8030]

Like to see the Hilti impact driver on here

[@sintaxera]

I couldn't believe how much better my new hilti was than my old dewalt. Driving in m10 lag screws into pine without piloting, easier than the dewalt with a 6mm pilot hole

[@Hansengineering]

@@UraTrowelie DeWalt is prosumer quality for professional price. I'd put it up against Ridgid for tool performance, but Ridgid is way less expensive.

[@encapsulatio]

@@Hansengineering What would you say is the best price/performance/longevity manufacturer?

[@Hansengineering]

@@encapsulatio I am unable to say.

[@loganmartin8613]

@@Hansengineering I would say there drills are good. The rest is just eh

[@richardfischer1986]

A Power to weight ratio ranking would be a useful addition to the impact driver comparison because of how they are used. Weight is a factor when buying one

[@majus1334]

Yes! Also cc (volume) measurement would be nice. Yes, Milwaukee is more powerful, but also, bigger, heavier, etc..

[@mattsabeast5]

Why I love Marita impacts control of power. Takes all the b.s out but doesn't drive stuff to hard to quick

[@skyhop]

I have the XDT16, and have enjoyed using it quite a bit. May not be the hardest hitting of the bunch but I bet it will last the longest of the lot.

[@reginalb124]

That's not the XDT16, it's the newer successor that's not yet available globally, FYI.

[@MrLuisinho90]

@@reginalb124 well, that's the best we got at the moment this side of the globe. Additionally, torque ratings are the same according to Makita. Not sure about RPMs and IPM, though

[@reginalb124]

@@MrLuisinho90 They for sure perform VERY similarly. I was just pointing out to Tombs that despite the claim in the video, this is not quite the same impact driver.

[@skyhop]

@@reginalb124 I didn't believe you until I saw project farm disassemble his. The hammer on the japanese one is narrower but much longer.

[@jamespeaden7862]

Torque test and project farm. Two of my favorite channels......... This video is a win not matter what

[@emeltea33]

@2:20, this weekend I did exactly this, to no avail. Dad took the 1/2" impact and left me the small impact driver to use on a Catepillar excavator's main and rod bearings. Fortunately I had box end and ratchet wrenches, as well as a hammer to assist.

[@arsenmajaryan7109]

Why everyone is focusing on power ? I would like someone to test the longevity and the overall feeling of the tool, which i am sure the japanese makita will take the 1st place

[@bluemantom77]

I would love to see a Fein impact driver tested or the German metabo

[@robertcasey3528]

I had same idea as you 3 German brands Bosch, Fein, German Metabo not HPT

[@markhedquist9597]

That Makita IS a sleak little number! I have the US version, pre-upgrade (xdt16) and love it! I think the performance of the Japanese one is slightly better. And nicer looking, too. Especially when you get into the different colors. I'm busy buying other Makita tools for now and totally satisfied with the impact I currently have. Thanks for the comparison, though. I like staying current on specs.

[@ethanmunger3374]

It would be interesting to see what the weighted sockets do on the impact drivers considering how light and fast they hit.

[@karldumeury9775]

i wonder what the results would be with a heavier hammer than themilwaulkee

[@fredygump5578]

Could you also test the original LXT impact from Makita? As you mentioned, it changed the industry. I'm curious to see how much, if at all, the new design improves on the original. It is smaller and lighter, but does it provide more torque? I just gave away my ~15 year old LXT impact driver. It was still working perfectly.

[@imprezaxwill]

Got a Hart impact driver I'd be willing to send you guys for testing if you are looking to do more of these. Keep up the great work, awesome content!

[@Kevin-gb9ux]

Enjoy the content. Very through and informative. I Like seeing the torque curves graphed out, and seeing the comparison between all of the tools. I like your ranking system, and how you put side notes when needed.

[@Mattittas]

As a Bosch user I'd love to see how their impact driver performs compared to the rest. - I've been let down by them before, so I hope the newer models atleast come a bit closer to the competition.

[@januszR]

Far away I'm sorry. Looking at impact drivers wrenches, Bosch is too far away - but they produce great Bohrhammer for example (18v-60 FC is an incredible drill driver with a Bohrhammer head - my favourite machine of them all).

[@wearsjorge55]

8:50 couldn't agree more about the stability and balance. I've got this model and the previous one, both from Japan and wow I can't use my workmates milwaukee and aeg without re training myself to put more pressure on the drill

[@TrHenning05]

The Metabo impact driver (Chinese Metabo available at menards) would be great to see. It's a realistic entry point for a lot of homeowners who don't want junk but can't afford the most expensive.

[@MeBarnson]

The TD172d is not the same as the xdt16. It is a newer model not released outside of Japan jet. Project Farm got that wrong too.

[@skoronesa1]

The new Makita TD173 is out! I just ordered one!

[@michaela3330]

Did you notice the trigger quality and ergonomics superiority of this tool?

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Yes, though we dont have a lot of Makita drivers

[@enobil]

I have both milwaukee gen3 and td172, the trigger on milwaukee is very hard, I mean it is not like it will leave fatigue but you just max out usually, trigger control is tricky. Makita td172 has very soft trigger that you can control very easily, and its trigger depression vs torque curve is very useful. I mean you can do light duty stuff without even lowering the gear if you want. Similarly hitachi triple hammer has a highly controllable trigger too, not as soft as makita but still much softer than milwaukee. The trigger torque curve is so great on hitachi that I can always use highest mode called P mode even for smallest screws. That was about the trigger. Now coming to the handle, milwaukee handle is much thicker and makita handle is narrow. Unless you have huge hands makita just fits in your palm greatly. It is not like milwaukee won't fit to your hand but makita fits much better so it is like a luxury car if you like. But milwaukee has a better heavy duty feel if that's what you're looking for. TD172 feels more delicate, like battery box is not rugged so you feel like it can crack, even though it is solid it doesn't feel sturdy. Also makita has like 8 speed settings which can give you some indirect ergonomics if you do very repetitive work. Btw if you care about durability, hitachi triple hammer is ip56 certified so it is more resistant to water obviously and I guess it should be more resistant to dust etc similarly.

[@ajs96350]

I have that exact driver, same color as well. I love that thing.

[@andrewscott8892]

Jis is 13mm and us is 9mm

[@lymondhardy6503]

Please do the Hilti. I've used mine for years and like it alot

[@suprafastmafc]

Man, it might be time to update by brush motor m18 that's seen 6 years of hard field use. I feel like it's maybe around 120lb/ft on a good day, maybe less. It regularly has dirt run thru it, and gets used/left in the rain. But have updated HO battery packs for it.

[@chriswebb3018]

Husky makes the best impact adapters on the jobsite they break the least.

[@Stewpkiddable]

remember that even if you have pretty large hands like i do the makitas fit the hand like a glove where as the milwaukee isnt quite as nice.

[@micjubba709]

They should make a hecktor model makita fast and furious spec lol needs nos button or boost lol

[@reidgk]

Would love to see the new ridgid on here

[@AlexDenton0451]

For the price, keep in mind that Makita’s driver will eventually be available in the US! They have had Japanese exclusive periods in the past iirc.

[@Dave-dh7rt]

I really want the makita driver in that beautiful maroon!!!

[@rollingmancave4547]

I'll take fine precision control over max torque any day!

[@Toyotas_n__Tools]

Makita made in Japan with lots of cool colors is readily available on ebay from Japanese sellers

[@javaguru7141]

Do you know if it's possible to change out the chucks for American style bits?

[@DigiMannen]

Why not test the best selling Makita XDT16 or Makita DTD171 as it is called in Europe.

[@theQuarrymen-zv3tr]

Ilike the torque test of the impact drivers from makita

[@ccbowers]

The TD172 is not the equivalent to XDT16, and Project Farm's video was flawed because of that (as much as I love his content). The TD171 is the relevant equivalent of the XDT16. The TD172 is a newer tool, and there is no US version. Yet.

[@piciu256]

I have the DeWalt 887 but shipping from EU would be quite time consuming and expensive, there must be someone closer who has one to lend for the chart 😅

[@colossalbreacker]

So I just ordered the jp impact, but now after re-watching this i noticed the difference in bit standard you mentioned. How bad is the forward and backward play for non jis impact bits? Shipping costs from japan are expensive and i don't know where I would get bits with that standard otherwise. Could I stick something into the collet to fill the gap and make a tighter fit? Maybe a chopped off Allen wrench or bit?

[@TorqueTestChannel]

It's not bad at all, much better than we expected

[@JoeRogansGutBiome]

Maybe the difference is in reliability and longevity. How do you test that?

[@theQuarrymen-zv3tr]

I wonder if the torque test channle going to test the newest ryobi one+ hp impact driver

[@ckm-mkc]

I'd like to see an M18 vs M12 test... Also brushed vs brushless.

[@Dave-dh7rt]

I just got the TD002G which is the 40V version of the TD172, would you like me to send it to you? I have the 4.0AH battery but i need help with the charger. I didnt know they were $120, yikes! The TD002 cost me $170.

[@stevegee218]

I would love to see the Bosch GDX18V-1800C (Freak sold with CORE battery) and also with the Freaks ability to take a 1/2" socket directly, if it changes the torque values.

[@robertcasey3528]

I like the gdr version personally with the 1/4 drive only but that's because of its smaller size compared to the gdx

[@basoncivicsi]

I sent you an email about a month or 2 ago regarding a Frankenstein gun I concocted. It would be cool to see what it can do.

[@canuckcars]

Try the greenworks impact driver and wrench, they are quite decent, and competitively priced.. the impact driver is supposed to output 222 ft/lbs and the impact wrench is supposed to output 540ft/lbs

[@chrisbaker963]

Best intro ever

[@cr1ticalhits]

I’d like to see the KLEIN TOOLS impact

[@paedahe4975]

Same. The pass thru Lineman’s impact by Klein looks awesome. If someone owns it out of the viewers, please send it in for a test. 👍

[@svn5994]

It's just another DeWalt impact.

[@NWGR]

I love the M18 Gen 3. The only flaw is the collet, which hopefully can be fixed by sending it in now.

[@chrishelm6398]

Awesome vid thanks.One thing that isn't mentioned and probably should be in your graph is the rpm. makita is way faster then both of those drills I'm tipping 3600rmp not sure what that Milwaukee is. Not all applications need power I'm a roofer and the higher rpm definitely make makita a better tool for what I do.

[@sladeoriginal]

Best new channel on YT

[@momostayzanko2078]

maybe this is third time I suggesting KOBALT XTR IMPACT DRIVER the blue beast... I have it... not faster than milwaukee gen 3 but maybe more torquay ... thanks a lot for your efforts.

[@Mkamin927]

I'd love to see the m18 surge vs the gen 3 m18 fuel

[@TorqueTestChannel]

See the Flex episode, a surge won't dyno, doesnt like peak torque. Doesn't stop it from working well as a driver though

[@TheOMEGANOX]

Did my own testing with the surge, 7” half inch lag bolts into pressure treated 6x6, I used a half in anvil adapter and 7/16 socket, it would drive the bolt in speed2 slowly maybe 3-4 seconds per revolution but clearly right at its torque limits. Switched the adapter over to the standard M18 and it buried them in 2-3 seconds, the beans are undeniable. But with all that said I still ordered an all black TD172 cause it’s just too sweet of a package not to, the XD16 already feels like a toy in my hand I can only imagine how tiny the 172 feels. The surge has become my go to impact for all indoor work and really everything short of brute force jobs where I’ll reach for the standard M18 or even my XWT15, I have a feeling the 172 will replace the surge, time will tell…..

[@anthonypoltes7413]

I know everyone loves to hate milwaukee because they're one of the top brands, but one thing to consider is the popularity. You can regularly find the high torque, and the new gen 3 mid torque for 150$ usd

[@nbmufc94]

Where did you buy the JIS bits? I am struggling to find any here in the UK.

[@alsimons7925]

Awesome channel 🔥👏🏽👏🏽Its ALL about ur graphs🔥🔥🇬🇺🇬🇺

[@galvanizedgnome]

I have the maroon td172 and I was very excited to see this video pop up. I hope that Kiwi from tools and stuff doesn't have an aneurysms. He doesn't like anyone intumating Japanese quality superiority

[@bryanwarm2471]

And I brought in the TD171 in March and love it. It is quite similar to your TD172. However, I shall have to disagree with higher numbers equaling superior quality. The fit, feel and satisfaction of use are very important. And long after the Chinese tool with the bigger numbers is likely the break or fry, the Japanese tool is likely to keep going indefinitely. The Japanese are at the top of the mountain with their reliability and durability. Chinese. not so much. So therefore, unless the Milwaukee absolutely left the Makita in the dust, wnich it did not, I would ask you to consider the points I have made above. And I hope you are enjoying tour TD172.

[@BuildsStuff]

I'm sure that Tools & Stuff guy will be fine.

[@alviemiller8315]

Be interesting when u get the rigid on here too.

[@thelowengames1905]

You have to do the DeWalt dcf887 for science

[@orruego]

Love your videos

[@jimmyjamessac7171]

Chris Columbus touched down with a makita 40

[@thomasnawrot6872]

Bosch GDX18V-1800C, the one with the combo 1/4 hex and 1/2 square drive

[@svn5994]

Trash.

[@FordRanchero289]

I hope tools eventually go 5/16" shank

[@Hansengineering]

For sure. 15 years ago, 1/4" was fine. Now, the tool can be so much more powerful than that shank can handle.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

@@Hansengineering There are already some 5/16" bits, but obviously without cut outs for impact drivers. Whoever makes the 1st powerful 5/16" impact driver will get to sell everyone the bits 1st too and benefit from the increased power output. We're ready for it already!

[@jasonbryant6694]

Lineman use 7/16 drive, might as well just switch to that.

[@Hansengineering]

@@jasonbryant6694 too big.

[@MrLuisinho90]

@@TorqueTestChannel you guys should test Bosch's Freak 2. I love how it's got a hybrid 1/4" hex + 1/2" square anvil. I've never broke any adapters because I don't need them.

[@minimonkeyplay]

hmm you can buy it in japan for around 18,000 - 20,000 yen new or 14,000 yen used. so if you are in japan I would consider buying it there.

[@SargTeaPot]

I would love to see the Impact Driver Kit from hikoki WH36DB(GGZ)

[@TacticalBaconPatches]

I would love to have that Makita driver but after 2 days in the shop it would be filthier than the usual anti-theft teal ends up.

[@Splagnate]

Ok, a test I’ve mentioned to other people. A first gen tool. Let’s say a impact driver that was developed when current battery, 18v/20v etc came out except the tools continued to develop. So a test of manufacturers 1st gen in comparison to their current gen!

[@michaelburrell4685]

I’d like to see the Kobalt 24v standard, and XTR. The regular one never gets tested and the XTR has performed very well in head-to-head tests on other channels. However I way prefer your scientific method to testing rather than Jimbo and Billy Bob testing them manually.

[@EdHazardd]

Howabout the Metabo 12v , brushed or brushless. They are German engineered, but made in China.

[@shagsshag149]

Quality tool,will last longer than Milwaukee.You get what you pay for especially with tools.

[@Undisputed_King]

Any chance you'll review the new one TD173 Makita?

[@402SHO]

Keep doing japan tool videos

[@stevenduarte7464]

I would like to see Hilti impact

[@bmwh548]

Can you do some tests on the Einhell products? They have several models in their line up (brushless and classic). The brand is getting some attention in Europe in the hobby (towards semi pro) segment, never actually seen them tested the way you guys do it. I think in some countries they're being sold under the Ozito brand.

[@ChamrongHuy]

That's my co worker haha. I gotta show him this tomorrow.

[@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r]

Would be interested in seeing the Ridgid Octane 1/4 tested before they are all gone. Maybe the subcompact of all these 1/4 impacts as well.

[@stevennaiker5800]

Makita 40v impact driver

[@NiSE_Rafter]

I'd love to see the Ryobi ones that are usually displayed at home Depot. Both the brushed and brushless. I think they're the affordable option that most home gamers end up seeing if they ever shop at home Depot so it's be nice to see how they stack up.

[@terdfergeson23]

As a man who works with all different brands of tools in multiple trades, Ryobi always disappoints when it comes to durability. Expect them to break. Makita is the only brand I can always trust will work well for the price

[@NiSE_Rafter]

@@terdfergeson23 I believe ya. When I visited the Peterbilt factory in north Texas a few years ago, I took a mental note that all the guys on the production line were using Makita tools. That place had all sorts of fancy equipment so they likely had the money to buy whatever brand they wanted, but they chose to run Makita. For someone like me that only needs tools for small projects in the garage, Ryobi gets the job done. I would own Makita if I could afford it but I'm just a student. Maybe in the future :)

[@terdfergeson23]

@@NiSE_Rafter yes exactly. For light use the Ryobi is a great value. But Makita is an even better value since anything you buy will probably last your lifetime 👍 I started with only an impact driver and now I have probably 40 Makita cordless tools. It’s totally worth the investment

[@bleach_drink_me]

Can you try our the new skil 12v and 20v drivers? I use the 12v and it doesn't seem all that powerful but still snaps bits and can get the job done.

[@codeblack55]

You should test the rigid sub compact driver, and impact wrench

[@arthor1212]

itd be cool to see the m12 vs the m18 impact driver

[@yorselrus1996]

Thats nice that makita does well in reverse but rarely do need reverse

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Very true

[@MrLuisinho90]

lots of impact wrenches claim more breakaway torque than tightening torque. This is not a wrench but perhaps the added torque in reverse is an inconsequent part of the design?

[@codustv1465]

dude i swear its attention to detail i can lay my xdt16 down any direction and it lays flat and balanced i just don't think thats an accident

[@user-cu3uo2cs8i]

Now there are 172 comments here. Makita China and Japan factories both release different colours of impact drivers every generation and the colours from China factory may be different as I know. So still waiting for new colours from China factory such as green brown wine copper gold white...

[@setheastman4181]

What state or region are you guys based out of?

[@jakeroyer6508]

How about the Hart cordless impact drivers from Walmart, brushless and brushed. Or the Hitachi 18 or 36 volt impact drivers I have each a 36 volt and an 18 bolt of the same impact driver.

[@CL-nj3zs]

DeWalt DCF887 with 5ah, 6ah and 8ah battery please.