Quad vs Dual Channel - Is G14 Soldered Memory Enough?

[@JoshCravesTech]

Thank you for looking into this. Very informative. For consumers just buying a laptop, DDR5 seems to be a nice upgrade over DDR4 between this and the 1Rx16 improvements

[@tatooine_dream]

yea im thinking the fact it offers 10% or so better fps on low settings means it will offer decent contribution to future proofing

[@TheMacco26]

yet the DDR5 "tax" is so big that you're going to spend like +30-40% off the laptop price if you compare 2021 and 2022 generations. Yes with newer models you factor in newer Intel or AMD architectures, but for gaming, uhm.. I don't know if I would see any tangible difference justifying that +40% price increase.

[@tatooine_dream]

@@TheMacco26 solid point too 2021 was the year. i knew it then and know it now. if i was in the market rn i would be picking up a 2021 model unless i was cashed up etc and future proofing was a big priority

[@JoshCravesTech]

@@TheMacco26 100% agree! I’ll say it again: 2022 is a great year to buy a 2021 laptop. The overall improvements are not worth the price increase this year. You can get 90-99% of the same performance from a 2021 machine and pay hundreds less. However for people set on purchasing a 2022 laptop, this will be cool to have at least.

[@tatooine_dream]

@@TheMacco26 also im not certain its actually 40% diff like you're saying but im not tuned into the market rn so. the other thing we know is ddr5 will get better with later iterations

[@JustJoshTech]

Great video mate. I hope people appreciate how long it would have taken to run all those tests!

[@djculous]

Hey sir! Josh can you review the msi gf63 thin 11sc?

[@akshatsingh9830]

ayo josh hello how u doing

[@JarrodsTech]

Cheers!

[@florentin10]

@@JarrodsTech I have an m16 2022 with 32gb ddr5, do you think I would affect its performance if I upgraded it to 48gb?

[@PrajjwalkumarDas]

There seems to be a version with 8gb soldered + 8gb stick installed. This can be compared to the 16gb soldered version. If the GPUs are different then you can test with the dGPU disabled and only on the iGPU. Should give a fairly decent look into memory channel differences.

[@josephgood2704]

I'm curious why you think this doesn't do just that? None of these games come close to using 16 GB of ram, so it should be a pretty even comparison as is.

[@PrajjwalkumarDas]

@@josephgood2704 for the creative workloads which show a large delta in performance. But jarrod mentioned that it might be due to more accessible memory so to remove that variable, i suggest this.

[@JarrodsTech]

I doubt I'll get 2 configs of G14, but based on how poorly this video is performing I don't think I'd cover it anyway haha, sounds very niche. I've shown how different size memory sticks affect performance already, granted it was with DDR4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYvEepyYeLh7ors perhaps I will redo this with DDR5 one day.

[@BenjaminRodriguezReyes]

@@JarrodsTech sad that it's not performing well, this is very informative and will factor into my purchase decision if I ever buy a laptop with soldered memory.

[@chortlesg.3641]

@@JarrodsTech Unfortunately I can't seem to find the 32 GB G14 anywhere in the US, only the 16 GB (8+8) version of the G14, so I'd be one of those who'd be interested!

[@nazarottto]

My man Jarrod keeps sharing important findings I didn't even know I'd be interested in. BUT I AM! Keep up the great work mate!

[@JarrodsTech]

Cheers!

[@123Suryasis]

Very interesting review @Jarrod. Could you please do an Assymetric quad channel DDR5 performance review as well, using two rams of dissimilar size, say 8GB + 16GB or 16GB + 32GB? For laptops with some portion of memory soldered, I figure that's going to be the most common case if people want to upgrade ram to higher capacity for demanding workloads requiring a lot of ram.

[@DaviSiqueiraSilva]

Exactly my thoughts! Please @Jarrod, it would be one of the definitive decision points in our purchases.

[@grant9478]

This would be a very helpful analysis. I can only afford a Zephyrus comp with 8GB DDR5 soldered. I figure I'd upgrade the ram later, but I'm not sure if I should just get something with two upgradeable ram slots so I can keep the ram even.

[@JarrodsTech]

Maybe, depends how much DDR5 I can get my hands on, right now it doesn't seem like there is a whole lot. Perhaps I'll waste 2-3 weeks and redo the big DDR4 comparison last year.

[@grant9478]

@@JarrodsTech either way, love the channel and thanks for all the excellent work.

[@mgreen5027]

yes this please

[@EyemSoreel]

Just got a 2023 g14 today, this video made the decision for the upgrade process so much easier. As someone who is making music, designing, and streaming. I will be adding the extra stick

[@TSpecialOne]

Thanks for testing this for us. I believe a test with 16gb (soldered) + 32gb stick should have been done as well. Your results could have been just driven by the amount of ram. In other words: more ram + quad channel is definitely better than less ram + dual channel. Hence, this video alone cannot be used as performance benchmark for dual channel vs quad channel.

[@poetic.voyage]

Any thoughts on upgrading a 2022 G14 from 16gb (8+8) to 40gb (8+32) for content creation?

[@Blovmag]

I think 8+16 is the maximum supported capacity for the G14. But i'm maybe wrong

[@poetic.voyage]

@@Blovmag I think that +16gb is what is "officially" supported, but the older models could do 40gb.

[@minecraftminertime]

It would be interesting to test how hard the hit on performance is by switching the only upgradable RAM slot. I’m predicting you’ll see a 5% drop in performance after upgrading, but no one has tested this with DDR5 ram.

[@JarrodsTech]

Maybe, if you need the capacity. Not sure with DDR5, but with DDR4 in my big RAM comparison last year I found the wider the size difference between each size the lower the performance.

[@m4tik]

I've done that upgrade, for photography retouching especially. It's true that on paper you will loose some performance, but even if there are some performance issues, i can notice any thing in my daily workflow. At least the gain of the memory quantity has granted me much more confort in everyday Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop use.

[@kevind5159]

Would appreciate seeing at 16+32 gb configuration for content creation. There’s more speculation than hard evidence on performance with non-matching DDR5 quad memory sticks

[@fierypickles4450]

The detail of your videos deserve way more subs. Talk about informative.

[@JarrodsTech]

I appreciate that!

[@jdzames]

Wooow. Had no idea about that. Good to know. Now I wonder what would results be if you installed different 2nd stick, eg bigger 32GB one and have it running in "flex mode". 🤔

Also, it would be nice to add some common cpu benchmark (cinebench?) for raw idea about performance in cpu bound task. Anyway, good job with those tests :)

[@JarrodsTech]

You can get an idea of difference sizes on each side here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYvEepyYeLh7ors

[@jdzames]

@@JarrodsTech Oh, somehow missed that video 👀, thank you. I can get an idea how would that look from that, yep..

[@stevesutton772]

Every time I have a question you have a video. You're the man!

[@adityapandey7798]

I was holding out to change my old laptop for a DDR5 one, this helps. Thanks for the video.

[@stuartlunsford7556]

Thanks for labeling this correctly. So many people don't realize that LPDDR4/5 and DDR5 have half the bus width, so you need four channels. This was super bad with LPDDR4X, where it looked like 4266, but had the bandwidth of 2133...

[@Terreos]

Man this is very interesting. I'm curious though since here in the states they only seem to be selling models with 8GB soldered to the motherboard and an 8GB stick. The part I'd love to know is it we could throw in 16GB stick and see the same performance at a lower cost? Since the 6800Ms is $1900 and the 6700Ms is $1650. Very much appreciate all the hard work you did. I'm gonna see if anyone on Reddit can test this with the 8GB soldered models.

[@JarrodsTech]

I guess the RAM comparison video last year with an 8+16 configuration might help you see what happens there, though it was DDR4

[@alirezaazizidso7081]

You are the best laptop reviewer, I hope that you start reviewing more Ultrabooks and mac laptops too because some reviewers are like a salesman who tries to sell products.

[@alexjunior6463]

Wow such amount of work in this video, if I could I would like this video 1000 times

[@RichCompMan]

Have you tested different RAM sticks? I would like to see how a 32GB stick with either 8GB or 16GB soldered on would perform. I'm more interested in Content creation since gaming shouldn't be affected.

[@tkpenalty]

I believe due to the RAM channels still being 128 bit, it means that the memory bandwidth stays the same. The only reason to split the channels into smaller channels in DDR5 is likely just a way to increase clock speeds even further / have looser timings possible (quad pumping)

[@svampebob007]

I think this is an awe full trend to set. it's like saying a 16xPCI-E gen 5 is running on 80xPCI-E. thus you can market your CPU to have "160 PCI-E lanes!*" *pratically :) I know it's not exactly the same comparison, but for me as a circuits guy, I think there's a huge difference between a true 64+8bit vs two 32+8bit lanes. Do I feel DDR5 isn't doing it right? absolutely not, I welcome the change, my issue is how AMD claims 4 channels when it clearly only has two 64bit data lanes to use. in almost every single instance it's not an issue and would practically behave like a quad channel set up. but once you start deviating from the norm, the difference between a true quad 64bit system and a 4x32+8 can be vastly different. personally I'm still rocking a ddr4 quad channel 8 dim mobo, and it's solid as a rock.... although compared to what I could buy now days it's trying it's best to be relevant😬

[@attorneyBG]

Very useful information! Thank you, Jarod!

[@JoloNavarro]

Really interesting comparison! ❤

[@darrell9616]

Thanks for this video. Yet again, you give us valuable, unique content to help people make informed decisions.

[@nileredsexperiment834]

What if i upgraded the memory to 24? (8GB soldered + 16GB SODIMM) will the laptop detect it as a “Dual-Channel”??

[@krismae7068]

Do you think there'll bea g14 with a FHD display and sub 1500$?

[@PrajjwalkumarDas]

Very interested in this

[@Supcharged]

you;re better off get discounted 2021 model. You can find a 3060 for 1200 or so.

[@minecraftminertime]

Not for the 2022 model. The 2021 models are sometimes on sale to as low as $1250

[@David_Denali]

Hello again. Same person who asked for a 3d modeling benchmarks list in your videos. Some of the common apps r Auto CAD, solid works, Auto desk 3d max and MATLAB. The reason I'm asking it is that I think there r a lot of engineering students like me who cannot afford workstation laptops so then they'll lean towards gaming laptops. Either way much obliged to u for the effort and reading the comments. Definitely appreciated. Btw y don't I receive your short form videos as I do receive your regular longer videos while I'm subscribed ? They just sometimes appear on home page or between subscriptions' uploads. Am I missing sth ? Tnx again

[@AdvancedGamingYT]

Hello Jarod nice video and hope you're having a good day

[@ItsMeProday83]

Love your videos mate!!

[@SKshitij]

Great content as always!

[@antzwong]

Really great video! but I can only afford a Zephyrus G15 with 8GB RAM soldered, will the performance suffer a lot if I add a 32GB RAM stick to become 40GB in total? Will it run in quad or dual channels or just single channel because the capacity of the new stick is different to the one soldered? Thanks!

[@TEDdeMedici]

It's crazy how this laptop was instantly out of stock the moment this launched in Australia. Even with it being over 30% more expensive here than the States (after conversion).

[@minecraftminertime]

It seems like all Zephyrus G14’s being sold right now have 8GB soldered + 8GB stick. I couldn’t find a single unit sold with 32gb of ram. Not sure if these retail units have quad channel memory, or what happens to performance if you combine a 16GB stick with 8GB soldered.

[@WarneysWorld]

I bought one in the uk with 16gb soldered. The SKU is GA402RK-L4055W. Performs like a champ with one stick.

[@pralayabasnet8079]

Can anyone suggest me a good 12th gen laptop (i5-i7) rtx 30 series... On a good budget

[@riichobamin7612]

Which country are you in ? Nepal ?

[@bod11s]

Legion 5

[@darkiv4747]

asus tuf 15 but it doesn't have muk switch

[@riichobamin7612]

@@darkiv4747 the 2022 models do.

[@praveen7726]

@@darkiv4747 I don't think so ...I think It has a mux switch but in India the availablity of 2022 version which has 12th gen is very less

[@Supcharged]

Tbh on a 14" screen I'd much rather use a lower resolution scaling maybe 1920x1200 or so but higher quality settings.

[@blondegirl7240]

Very interesting comparison :)

[@fugginrambo]

I'm looking all over my 5 Pro for the Mucks Switch. I've even Googled it and there's no info about it. I found the power switch but I swear mine didn't come with the lever to turn on the Mucks. Is it an aftermarket thing like the Pussy-Magnet for my car?

[@priyanshusamaddar573]

Hey @Jarrod'sTech What do you think which laptops is better Lenovo legion 5 pro or Asus ROG strix g15 both 2022 edition. If my priority is gaming and graphic design.

[@User-dd2xv]

Asus G14 definitely my favorite laptop. I hope next year it gets USB4( Thunderbolt) so I can use non proprietary egpu enclosure

[@nino4302]

Hey man Great videos. Is the Zephyrus g15 review coming?

[@TheLordGirahim]

Good video! I'm planning to get the 2022 g14 soon but I'm still deliberating between getting the 6700S model and 6800S one. Do you have any thoughts on whether the jump is worth it?

[@velmurugankannan5855]

Please do dual channel DDR4 (2 sticks) VS dual channel DDR5 (single stick) comparison.

[@nomOfyourBusiness]

Awesome! could you test the ryzen iGPU differences with dual vs quad channel memory?

[@CaptPatrick01]

Problem with that. _There is no such thing as an iGPU on a quad-channel board._ Too cost-inefficient and niche to produce such a CPU since if you're buying a board that supports a quad-channel compatible chipset/CPU, money is no object so you will buy a dGPU for it anyway. There's no market for that kind of stuff.

[@mrengler1]

another vote to see how 8 + 32 works in ddr5. it sucked in ddr4, so i'm interested to see if 8 GB soldered with a free slot is actually viable

[@wzda9480]

For many multithreaded computations, you need alot of ram channels for a large number of threads. Otherwise memory is a pretty annoying bottleneck when say 8 cores are all sharing 1 channel. The quad channel while not important for gaming can be pretty big for computational tasks

[@freddypauljoel7765]

Wow important stuff appreciate it 👍

[@BHRxRACER]

What about 8GB onboard + 8GB stick vs 8GB onboard + 16/32GB ?

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Brilliant Jarrod, thanks. I was wondering how the G14s RAM was configured.

[@Blovmag]

Informative video! Can you do a video where you analyze the impact on the integrated graphics only? I'm interested in buying an ultrabook with RDNA iGPU, so integrated graphics is what matters for me.

[@penguin272]

as I still struggle a litte. how much add RAM can the G14(2023) with 8+8Gig handle? 24 in total? and how much of it would be quad channel?

[@riichobamin7612]

Bro, will you be reviewing the 2022 Asus TUF series anytime soon ?

[@praveen7726]

check his stories

[@riichobamin7612]

@@praveen7726 I can't find this one. Also the stories are old, I am asking if there has been any update on that situation.

[@praveen7726]

@@riichobamin7612 I think he said these selection of laptops aren't his choice and not his hands... if the company offers the machine he will make a video about it cause its one the most requested video

[@riichobamin7612]

@@praveen7726 yeah that is EXACTLY what I wanted to know bro 🤦🏻, that if, since the time of him making those shorts, Asus has offered any pieces for him to review.

[@kbrotv2297]

if i play games use igpu ,8+16gb quad channal or dual channal will be used? (8+8 vs 8+16 wich is batter?)thanks

[@zibciuaerye]

Dear Jarrod, i have G14 2021 model (GA401QC-K2218W - 8+8GB DDR4 RAM) and wondering is upgrade DDR5 32GB (for quad Channel) possibile for my model. Could You help me (confirm is it possible - and worth of this). I need RAM for RAW software (music production). Thanks in advance.

[@bfish9700]

That grey just looks so much better than the white. Ticks me off best buy only carries the white g14.

[@Hatsunari_Kamado]

Do we have quad channel in Alder Lake mobile CPU?

[@FriendlyPCGamers]

I have helios 300 and with 45+ system latency, literally i get prefired in cs go or while trying to hide, i get exposed from enemy perspective, i have just managed to take cover but from enemy's perspective, i am still going in cover. I have to research on this if my observation is correct or just i am slow. This leads me to other question, can system latency be changed by using external monitor? Also, can upgrading or using faster ram help in improving system latency? Thx.

[@jergoz]

I ask forgiveness in advance for my ignorance. If I bought the 16Gb (or 32Gb) model, 8Gb welded and 8Gb in the removable slot, the latter, is it possible to replace it with a 16gb Ram? If there were, what would be the problems?. Thank you so much for your patience, I apologize for my bad English. Thank you for your videos.

[@kriszhli]

I have a question. So I’m looking to buy a m16 with ddr5 8gb soldered and a 8gb sodimm. If I changed the 8gb sodimm to 32gb so that I have a total of 40gb. Will it be dual channel or quad channel?

[@AlexSTR]

Can you list specific RAM you used (and I can buy) to upgrade my 2022 Zephyrus G14? There are too much RAM specifications I want to meet

[@BRAINSPLATTER16]

You gotta be some kind of witch or something. I was JUST thinking about this!

[@williamb.j.blazkowicz3814]

It was a needed video, thank you. My Zephyrus G15 (2022) (6900HS + 3070Ti) came with 16GB DDR5 (8 soldered + 8 installed in another slot), I wish to upgrade it so I want to know which config should I go with - make it 8+16=24GB or 8+32=40GB, would I see any lower performance (compared to current 8+8 scenario)? And how'd be the performance differences b/w 24GB and 40GB? I'd be fine with 24GB too but I'd like to take to the extreme if there's practically no difference b/w the two.

[@joelelias3136]

This is good stuff. Do you have any stats on the performance for DDR5 if the sizes of the RAMS are different? Like an 8gb sol paired with 16gb or a 16gb sol paired with a 32 gb? The previous generation with the DDR4 although boasted of the 'flex' tech, was recommended to be kept at the same amount as the soldered one for gaming due to the dip in performance. Only video editing/motion graphics and other work stuff could have used the additional RAM to compensate for the dip in performance with the extra RAM.

[@saschawegener6293]

Hey Jarrod, i really like your Videos. I'm planning to buy a laptop this year. I'm looking for the highest G14 2022 or the Razer Blade 14 2022 3070ti. Any update on the blade or an recommendation? Should be to play games and studying.

[@Sudhen]

Hi, will there be a variant of g14 with rx6600s gpu? Or is there any laptop with that gpu?

[@Sanakan.safeguard]

waiting for comparisson of thr G14 2022 and the Razer 14' also the new 2022😃👍.Wich do u prefer jar?i see people talking bou the Razer more expensive?how much is it?

[@emisunflowers]

Really wish this laptop available in Canada. We don't even have pricing or preorders yet. :(

[@funyug]

You should add dota 2 benchmarks while doing single dual channel memory comparisons as memory speed makes a lot of difference in dota 2 fps

[@pasansenarath5990]

Hey jarrod i want to reset my g14. How to do it properly. I'm worried about some software that come with the laptop like Dolby access, and other softwares. Some people says after reset some functions did not work properly on g14. How to avoid that and how to do the reset properly.

[@pasansenarath5990]

What is this

[@liorwindmiller9393]

I wish you would add a comparison to a different size stick. I mean adding a 32gb instead of 16gb. (For those regions with 8+8 configuration who might want to use this laptop for creative work)

[@imglidinhere]

With all the data regarding the 1% figures and the clear, very large gains to those numbers, why wasn't that factored into the graphs at the end? Those increases are enough to completely change the laptop's performance tier.

[@Juandunceman]

Where do you repair your broken laptops?

[@-_-7757]

Want to ask if its the right time for me to change my laptop ? For now I use ROG Hero II with i7 8th gen and 2060.

[@manishshegokar3967]

Jarrod please suggest some laptops for Engineering Designing

[@bethanydavies9660]

Hey Jarrod, I'm looking to buy a gaming laptop the best of the best the most powerful one out there What is your recommendation?

[@prpmbaekds]

if ddr5 running with minimum 2 ch memory,, so is there any possible to run single channel?

[@cjs8619]

Would be nice to see a 1% low percentage diference. Greetings from Rio Grande do Sul - Brasil

[@onielmelendez4315]

Another great comparative analysis! Wondering how DDR5 upgrade from 32 to 64 gigs affects a 12900H + 3080 ti setup.

[@MichaelM1492]

Can you like run the UE 5 demo in the reviews? Like the Part where the Giant comes and Laser ? I think that would be helpfull for some people

[@krsvllano2778]

Im a content creator... I have zephyrus m16 that has 8GB Soldered into it... thinking of getting a 32GB stick to get more ram. Any thoughts?

[@ceo_of_fbi]

Which is better a 3060 msi gf65 or a 2060 legion 5 (for gaming)

[@S58TSK]

I have a question as a young gamer I'm looking to buy a laptop but I'm on budget what's the best laptop that you can recommend on a budget below 800usd

[@S58TSK]

Plus how can I be sure

[@DRAWKCABLLA]

So can i stick a 32 gig ddr5 stick in as an upgrade like the last couple of years? No one has answered this fkn question yet and it annoys the fk outa me

[@eliasali9383]

Please make a video about mixing ddr5 ram sizes, thanks alot!

[@Big7Cheese]

will my g14 work well if i add a 32gb ram stick and it has the 8gb soldered stick? i need the capacity

[@Yas_Sin]

You probably should've tested with the iGPU instead, because it's there where we see an apparent difference since the iGPU has access to more bandwidth.

[@Deinorius]

I think the better question should be, if DC let's you get worse performance then Ryzen 5000 with DC. DDR5 DC is still not the same as DDR4 DC, so you shouldn't ignore that.

[@mr3_def]

do u think you can compare ddr5 dual channel to ddr4 dual channel?

[@gob1598]

Ay uhh how do I find quad channel ddr5 for my rog scar 17 2022?

[@gob1598]

Where I get it

[@gob1598]

I dont have tele gran

[@mr3_def]

6:23 indeed very nice gains

[@activeentropy]

If I had known about the g14 a year ago i would have bought that instead of my legion 5, so I could have a portable and powerful laptop. While the legion 5 is great the g14 would have made it so I only had one laptop instead of 2. My other laptop being my dads old surface pro 4 with really bad specs, i5 6300u and 4gb of ram. Next time I upgrade my laptop I will probably go for something like the g14.

[@cenation7mjc]

Wait in there no difference between single 16 gb stick vs 2 8gb sticks ?

[@farghom]

do games use 1 core or multi core in cpu?

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Is there a reason why the solder.. Is it cheaper?

[@fleurdewin7958]

To reduce thickness. If you want another SODIMM slot, they have to stack it on top of the existing one, but the notebook will be thicker by about 5mm. Its a 14", the motherboard doesn't have enough space to place 1 more SODIMM slot horizontally.

[@rachitbhengra4298]

Sometimes I wonder How many Band merchs you have, maybe showcase your stuff in a video and Bands and genre's you like.

[@JarrodsTech]

Maybe one day

[@aadharshkrishnaa]

Please compare this, the Legion 5i pro and the M16

[@MaDFroG88]

Hopefully 1 more month until Asus announce zephyrus s17 2022 version!

[@PillowZero]

Hi there Jarrod! Great video! I love your vids and I got my laptop because of your advice! I want to ask for a friend because he's deciding between a Dell G15 5511 i5 11260H with rtx 3050 with Storage 512 gb SSD and 16gb ram vs a Nitro 5 Ryzen 7 with an RTX 3060 5800H 16GB Ram and 512GB SSD (both were used for about 2 months and both are dual channel memory)

[@shahji8093]

Jatt is back

[@GoldenNada]

I mean dual channel 32bit is the same a single channel 64bit. so yeah I would think going from dual channel to quad would give a performance boost.

[@Supcharged]

You should also test it in other laptops with a stronger GPU and at 1080p too

[@AdityaGupta-om8ez]

If a single DDR5 stick then PCs with 4 memory sticks are running in octa channel WOW

[@cvzone]

no, because the cpu still has only 4 memory channels.

[@CaptainPure]

the question now is if a laptop running 2 ddr5 stick is considered quad then a PC should be called mega channel?? because PC can run 4 stick dual-channel! and what if intel run 2 stick ddr5 is it considered as quad because in their spec is limited to dual channel