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[@tonyshlean]

How did Legacy chasers ruin the league when the media puts athletes on pedestals for their legacy’s

[@macthemessenger]

Exactly...This dude is terrible man. I wish Chris B was on here to school Whitlock

[@miniyo11]

Exactly

[@trvspvrk]

E

[@Moshuun]

You guys did it. Social media is unapologetic! You criticize & bash people, so much. I can’t blame these players.

[@waltjones6927]

Kamoshun I said da same thing bro

[@11thWoods]

Kamoshun so u r saying that these players are getting cyber bullied?! Smh They need to get off social media if it ruins their day and just play!! I do blame them! Too many r premadonnas!

[@trey54321GO]

Kamoshun You are so right! I yelled out aloud, "you media guys are the reason why!" just reading the headline without going any further! I thought of all kinds of similar analogies when I first saw this... Like a husband bashing his wife because she won't cook and then she starts cooking and then he mad because she doesn't cook healthy meals every night... SMH

[@jsdzx]

Agreed, their peers are at fault also. I attribute it to the "nobody wants to be Charles Barkley" syndrome. Look at Shaq and Charles interactions. I recall a Jordan story where Ewing and Charles couldn't sit at the champions table. A guy of KD or LeBron caliper knew they had to do whatever it takes to get a ring and it's sad. Jordan stopped alot of beast from getting rings. Personally, I don't think any less of those guys.

[@danielschaefer2844]

Media forced KD to move to GSW.

[@PROLIFIC_SPORTS]

THE MEDIA SWEATS THE LEGACY MORE THAN ANYONE!

[@grimmdaddycool]

THEMOVIEZ Lebron has been on camera talking about chasing the GOAT lol people seem to forget that.

[@christianevertsz3474]

THEMOVIEZ hi

[@shyjames83]

“What is legacy? Legacy is something you talk about when a player is retired and gone from the game and look back over their career. People talking about a guy’s legacy while he’s STILL playing? It’s just TV talk” - Oscar Robertson People were using the word ‘Legacy’ when talking about LeBron during his third season in the league at age 20. I’ve heard people say Ben Simmons’ ‘legacy’ took a hit with his poor performances against the Celtics this post season, in his FIRST active season. It’s absurd

[@Ace_etereo]

shyjames83 people are obsessed with nostalgia and wanna be nostalgic so bad that they rush the present. Most people are guilty of it.

[@thefrostyvette876]

Y’all ruined the NBA, by continuously comparing them to the greats.

[@colonelgibbs8357]

based off rings

[@user-dp7td7fj1l]

Legacy obsessed journalism AKA espn

[@jonathanjohnson6727]

32 32 also fs1 they do it as well...

[@fredrickbutts2392]

Skip and Collin 😂😂😂

[@taronyoung5768]

I think the debate style talk shows is the issue like states here...Legacy is just plain career goals...

[@Killerstefdk]

Eddie house telling the truth to Whitelock from the start: well you are wrong

[@capitanawesome44]

That’s Dahntay Jones he wish he was effective like House. Dahntay was on CLE staff so he isn’t objective at all

[@ralx225b]

.....Steve Nash, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller already said he is the greatest they have ever seen.......

[@jonathanjohnson6727]

Replace legacy obsessed 'stars' with media members, which creates the masses(average/casual fan)to ignore the greatness on display. Instead, hyper-focus on what this and that player doesn't do right according to how to win (ways to win change in season, throughout a series and of different eras) in their own viewpoint. Go watch highlights and games of those overlooked greats of the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s and see what im talking about. Many had great ability that should've been enjoyed instead of criticized

[@M.B.o.D]

Average passes per 100 possession in NBA are actually up. Stop making up BS. Magic Johnson before the draft said that he'll only play for the Lakers because they had Kareem. Then he got the Coach fired. People keep looking at past with rose-tinted glasses. MJ punched Kerr because he was playing tough defense on him in practice. Pippen sat out last possession of a playoff game because Phil Jackson didn't design it for him.

[@GmoneyMozart]

In today’s made up narratives...

[@slickeddy2000]

Magic just won a college championship. Lakers had #1 pick it was meant to be. Jeanie Buss told a story of how Magic wanted to leave LA after his Rookie contract go Home to Michigan but after winning a chip as a Rookie and becoming a Hollywood star he Changed his mind

[@qinwoodruff969]

C3H6N6O6 your logic is in a big mess. Big mess. Not an intelligent guy. Lol.

[@sheldonlucas4777]

C3H6N6O6 first off what organic compound is your name and you telling too much truth for KZbin you better stop if you know what is best for you

[@kevinflowers463]

It is not about whether the lakers were going to draft him. Magic said that if the bulls would've got the number 1 pick he was going to go back to school. Only reason he came out was because lakers got the pick and had kareem

[@laurenceelrington7479]

Legacy obsessed fans and media did. After MJ all people cared about was rings and finals. If players are going to be judged that way of course they are going to do everything they can to go to the best team/have the best teammates around them to give them the best chance at a ring.

[@286mic]

LeBrons literally said "I'm chasing the ghost in Chicago" like comon

[@tonyshlean]

286mic if the media doesn’t build up these guys then nobody would have this legacy chaser mentality.

[@frankstudent]

*common*

[@ghsflip]

Come on wth . Why knock him for that?! People should always strive to be the best at it. You got to have that mentality.

[@zechrojas2202]

LeBron has a tattoo across his back that reads "chosen 1". That's really all you need to know.

[@likemikegenerationx2]

286mic The media keeps bringing up LeBron vs Jordan. He's got no choice but to talk about it

[@Romamb]

Watch a game from 70s. 80s. 90s. 00s. Then watch a game now. It just isn't as good. Players individually are great now as in any era. But the GAME, the COMPETITION, just isn't good any more. Player movement is the main reason. It's going the same way as football (soccer). Only a very small number of teams can ever win and it hurts the game. NBA.....be careful of the future. Be very careful.

[@domford2191]

Mobley looking like a Tyler perry character

[@Get_it_on_jones]

Lmfao that's cold man

[@crazytrain111]

Legacy isn’t what started this... danny Ainge started this when he brought together the big 3 and won a ring immediately.

[@Getloose360]

Denny Kaleal yeah but Allen and Garnett were on the backend of their careers.

[@crazytrain111]

Getloose360 they where still some of the best players alive for the next 3-4 years. And that doesn’t change the fact that it still changed the nba. That’s why Lebron left to Miami. Boston started the modern day super teams, but the league has always been dominated by just a few teams. Celtics won 9 rings in the 1960s...Lakers and Celtics won 8 out of 10 in the 80s...Bulls and Rockets won 8 out of 10 in the 90s...Lakers and Spurs won 7 in the 2000s... and the 2010 has been Lebron or the Warriors winning most of them... this is literally how it’s always been.

[@ermocrate]

No, this was how it was done and has done for years, Danny did it trough trades, West did it by stealing players all over the league, LeBron and Bosh are the first example in history of female athletes that make a deal to join an organization because they weren't able to win on their own.

[@jdek88]

Those players were at the tail end of their primes.

[@kristion9774]

Wait didn’t Lebron lose to the Magic the season after Boston won the title and his team was the number 1 seed that won 66 games? Wait didn’t Dwight Howard Orlando Magic Dethrone the reigning champ Boston Celtics then beat Lebron despite Lebron team having the higher seed and home court advantage?😂😂😂😂😂They won 1 ring and they were all over 30. So many teams won 1ring that never started anything. Lebron started this because he could not lead his team back to the finals because it was no longer like in 2007 when you have to just beat 2 separate 41-41 win teams and a 53 win team that won the finals 3 prior years with a different coach and a player that won defensive player of the year 4 separate times that was no longer on the roster. Jordan lost to the pistons that made 3 finals in a row and won 2 back to back. The first 2 season he faced them he had 2 rookies that didn’t start no regular season games, a rookie coach and a player that was just starting for his 2nd season and none of them were great scorers but the pistons had 4 hall of famers Dantley, Rodman, Thomas, Dumars. The next 2 times he faced them in the elimination game his 2nd best teammate gave him 2 total points in 45 minutes played and his name is Scottie Pippen. In game 6 elimination 1989 Pippen played the first minute got an elbow and never returned. The next season Jordan had a rookie coach again and his 2nd best teammate in 1990 Pippen said he woke up with a migraine for game 7 played 44 minutes made 1 field goal and had 2 points. The other starters besides Jordan shot horrible as well the highest of them shot 33%. But Jordan didn’t skip town. They went home in the summer got better and beat them the next season sweeping the two time back to back reigning champs. Isiah Thomas had just turned 30 just 20 days prior to the series starting Rodman was 29 and Dumars was 27. All 3 of them are hall of famers and they were back to back reigning champs. 4 of them should be hall of famers or possibly 5 but for sure Mark Aguirre who has 18000+ career points with a 20 point per game average on 48% shooting plus 5 rebounds and 3 assist and 3 all star appearances and the dude had 4 seasons where scored 25 or more ppg and Bill Laimbeer made it to the all star game 4 times. That is a much better team than the Celtics Lebron faced and their core was younger. Dwight Howard could beat the Celtics without teaming up with all stars but Lebron couldn’t and he couldn’t beat Dwight but he is allegedly the goat. Lol. But Jordan didn’t jump ship on his teammates they all got better by practicing something that The new Isaiah Thomas said Lebron teams don’t do and Jordan’s bulls won!

[@saad1008]

Why because they want to be remembered for great things ?

[@St23Vincent]

Eddie house is wrong about Jordan's legacy being that he beat/dethroned Magic and Bird. He beat an old Magic without Kareem and an injured James worthy, and never beat Birds celtics.

[@kristion9774]

Jordan won more than they ever won and he played with less all star teammates and hall of fame teammates. Bird and Magic could have never won 6 titles with the same talent Jordan won with because they couldn’t even win the same amount of rings with the more talented teammates! Never forget!

[@kubbykush9401]

Cris Junior , tell these brain dead people.

[@rockstar80]

Ummmmm Magic was the reigning MVP (MVP 1990) and a year younger than LBJs CURRENTLY age when MJ (1991 MVP) beat him in the 1991 Finals. He was not old or washed...

[@sheldonhollis5258]

Cris Junior They played in a more competitive league.

[@martinishot]

rockstar80 I can tell you never watched 80s lakers basketball or maybe not even the Magic Jordan finals.Magics knees were giving out and his transition game was gone. He was strictly half court only and could not keep up with any of the Bulls running the floor. Compare that to the 1987 Finals. And Vlade Divac, Jabbars replacement at center was still a baby in the league.

[@ritvikdutta4824]

It’s the fans and the media that has done it, so no use blaming the players.

[@HardAsChrome]

This show is actually terrible without Chris and/or Colin

[@NK-mr3rh]

How does trying to be the best you can be and leaving behind something become negative?

[@abhiraghavan7261]

I actually enjoy whitlocks takes 😂

[@Dedadudu09]

Abhi R they're soooo hot

[@Robert-og6uk]

Abhi R he’s dumb

[@KSU-ce2uc]

Whitlock is all about controversy. He's always been that way as a writer before he got on tv.

[@slickjames2956]

facts

[@supremelegacy290]

Whitlock acts like they haven't been using isolation since forever Iverson was the king of isolation they had to bring the zone to the nba just for him

[@atlien1988]

Supreme Legacy the league made zones legal primarily because of Shaq not because of Iverson. Before the Lakers 2000s dynasty, Zone defenses were technically still illegal. After their 3 peat, the league made some changes that allowed teams to play zones inside which allowed weak side defenders to be able to help without actually having to hard double in the paint. It had nothing to do with Iverson.

[@Barak144]

Tierre Jevon It was for AI you shouldn't make arguments and be wrong

[@Barak144]

Tierre Jevon The Zone was brought back before the Lakers started to dominate and zones are meant to stop Guards from driving the lane not for Bigs who post up smh

[@supremelegacy290]

1000Kbaby preach to him lol

[@supremelegacy290]

Tierre Jevon ur wrong

[@levargrace5246]

It's really Nostalgia of old Vs. Legacy Players of today is the dynamic. Ol school beatin the drum of "how it use to be" is better than what we are witnessing today even tho clearly allot of players today are better than yesterday. What do you expect from today's players who are constantly told that basketball in the NBA is not the 90s and what your doing is garbage?

[@kyosukedeiknives]

is whitelock ever going to make any sense, without contradicting himself 2 min later?

[@TheCephalon]

He actually has a point. Everyone gets payed 10-15 mil a year even if you’re average, so money isn’t an issue. Now everyone is forming super teams to try to get championships no matter the cost

[@knowledgeblack2012]

“Nostalgia is a hellva drug.” - Nick Wright

[@Windmill360]

Cuttino Mobley out there looking 70

[@frankstudent]

Windmill360 Better than being dead

[@landonic81]

He be lookin like Uncle Drew's older brother

[@hodgepodgedelight6602]

It's "crazy".....a 42 year old has grey hair. I'm shocked I tell ya. SHOCKED!

[@kristion9774]

Bruh I was just saying no way that is Cutino Mobley. I have to search for him on my own. He went pro like 18 years ago no way he looks like that. It’s not his grey hair or bald head. The man looks completely different and even sounds old. He looks way older than Jordan and Jordan retired from the bulls the year he turned pro.

[@justinidle7086]

this is like when that one friend says a stupid opinion and everyone goes at him

[@darylpresley3577]

I agree with Whitlock

[@FRANKNITTYTV]

I remember when Mobley (Cat) played for the Rockets back in 2000 and me and my friend flagged him down after a game he gave me his practice shorts. Really cool guy.

[@FitzgeraldMofor]

I really don’t understand how ppl say lebron plays iso selfish ball when he literally avg 9 assist and takes under 24 shots every game lol

[@explosivediarrhea4671]

if LeBron was on the warriors instead of kd no way warriors would lose to the rockets.

[@sheldonwalker5497]

LeBron's style of play wouldn't mesh with the Warriors as well as KD has.

[@24uber]

Sheldon Walker Not true, Draymond would be moved for LeBron. The number of assist he'd accumulate would be ridiculous. Imagine Steph, Klay literally coming off screens and designed plays and defense forced to dbl down on LeBron or give up a wide open shot to Klay or Steph. Or keep Javel because he's cheaper and more fitting quick lobs and rim protection. He'd avg 15+ assist and most likely out the game in the 3rd. Let alone the extra energy all 3 will conserve with less effort offensively.

[@sheldonwalker5497]

uber2sounds good not gonna lie but it wouldn't work unless LeBron decides he's not gonna dominate the ball anymore... off ball LeBron is deadly but he's seems to only like running the "Lebron system" in which everything revolves around him.

[@nbaofficialnowhistle8796]

Sheldon Walker have u watched the games. KD going iso is whats hurting the Warriors now.

[@terrylewis875]

Bager Lebron is not better than Russell Westbrook stop the bs hes him an average player getting props bcz he wants to be the man every game.

[@jaygee5579]

Legendary Segment: You guys was very passionate and insightful. Great job!

[@HardcoreGamer101508]

“Wah wah wah back in my day!” Just shut up already That man knows what he’s talking about because he actually played the game. It’s not that easy whipping the ball around against Houston’s defense. It’s not a coincidence that suddenly everyone on the team has forgotten how to pass.

[@rcasagranda]

It’s difficult for a player, who is not a superstar to stand out, now a role player can’t do nothing, that’s why Westbrook shoots 45 to 50 shots a game it’s all about him, and besides his teammates have to give him all the defensive rebounds so he can be remembered as the guy who avg triple doubles for more than 2 years, it’s almost not a team sport anymore

[@eda639]

rcasagranda when did role players stand out lol

[@iAmEdwinHamilton]

Dude it’s the conference finals! Ain’t no fast breaks and transition consistently.

[@stephenjackson2912]

EDtv good defense could and would provide it if you play it.

[@warrenharris7859]

It’s the medias obsession with legacy that has caused the players to be obsessed

[@exoduss8916]

don't let this distract you from the fact you could get 10 piece chicken nuggets spicy or original for 1.49$ 😁 edit: Only at Burger King

[@tumalditamadresita]

2 burgers fries and a drink for $3.69

[@exoduss8916]

burger king

[@varrik20]

Good points on both sides. This is definitely Houston's style and playoff basketball's always been more iso heavy, but on a broader scale the media has encouraged stars putting up big stat lines even when it harms the team. Easier said than done but the coaches need to be much firmer in implementing proper systems, and as a head coach you cannot accept your leaders slacking on defence so they can boost their offensive numbers. They've definitely got to shoulder more responsibility there.

[@noanswersdad]

Is it required to be on the social media sites

[@amirbreski4209]

guy in purple ...is that magic with a frenchie :)

[@ChroniclerOfJudah]

mid 90s through the mid 2000s was the dark ages for basketball.

[@Timoteo4]

You don't hear players talking about legacy. That's a media thing imposed on players. From the beginning of their careers, media starts talking about building their legacy, and that everything they do is geared towards building that. What Magic and Bird were talking about competing - not building their official record. When you go out there and do what you do the best that you can, when your career is done, it'll speak for itself.

[@lastshadow5524]

Social media,period!

[@BusinessFirst17]

They played most one on one in the 90's. Not even close

[@UnexpectedWonder]

This was a great discussion.

[@blakeharris58]

Whitlock is hit and miss but on this one he's spot on. The concept of a dominant legacy trumps the concept of competitive basketball.

[@blakeharris58]

Daz going back about 12 years I would say the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Warriors, Rockets, Thunder, Celtics again and soon Lakers again...all built championship teams to cement SOMEONE'S legacy.

[@blakeharris58]

Daz I said 12 years not 120! All the teams I mentioned, you missed the Heat, added free agents in an attempt to win rings with current stars in the modern NBA. The overall team legacy is something different.

[@Hail2daChief]

because the media obstacles over it

[@Hail2daChief]

+ChiefTv obsesses* typo

[@blakeharris58]

ChiefTv you mean "obsesses"?

[@vhutagalung7]

Rob Parker is a Prophet :) :) :) I remember after the Cavs February trade when everybody was saying this trade was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and Rob Parker proclaimed the Warriors would sweep the Cavs this year.

[@Thonking]

3 players on the panel. Dope.

[@davidhojnacki1043]

The media constantly is asking what does this say about this players legacy, but the players are obsessed? Please

[@ubadman1]

media and social media created this. I hear analysis from skip and others saying how losing ONE GAME or ONE playoff series hurts a player's legacy. no that changes opinion or perception. legacy is not determined while a player is still playing. legacy is what you are remembered for over a career not over a weekend.

[@Coff1nf33der]

Bird and Magic wanted to one-up one another, it was not about legacy.

[@ryanchrisharvey4256]

Anyone else immediately think of Hamilton?

[@kwalex6882]

It's the age of social media

[@SIRBUBZ]

C Mobley did his thing in the Big 3 league. He looks old but he played like he could still play in the nba

[@anc3136]

Man i just want Whitlock to shut up and listen to people that actually know what they are talking about.

[@sergnyc8720]

House turning out to be an EXCELLENT analyst. Good to see Monbley us there too. I disagee w topic. Players need it to try to be bettet than the other. Competition.

[@schmerzmeister3980]

Wow! Real talk. Refreshing.

[@TheHomeman]

It's the public and the writers mostly now.

[@changary952]

This show prove that the so-called sport journalists in talk shows don't know basketball. There were way more iso offence in the past! Good to hear the real players correct them.

[@Stanley_Fields]

This is crazy when you have 3 pros who’ve actually played the game having to go back and fourth and explain things with a commentator whose never played. It’s crazy

[@jimevert7099]

None of players want to be Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Stockton. Because they will never win the conversation down the line. So they are willing to be the second fiddle . Worst case scenario is Durant. In his prime he left a team in conference finals to join the team he lost too. It was a punk move. It's why he was shocked when people didn't fall at his feet when he won his first ring. People didn't feel like he earned it. Because he didn't It's no where as good of ball in 80s and 90s

[@ryzell1317]

Love the way CM explain everything

[@yourpdl3153]

It be your own invitees lmaooo

[@qualinteranzy7948]

Its fans and media not players

[@SuperSean95]

1 vs 3 is terrible. They need more objectivity.

[@trevorjason4962]

No player worth anything worries about their legacy. They worry about their competition that was it, after that there legacy wrote themselves. The product is definitely suffering.

[@kylewatson4900]

rarely say this, almost never, but I agree with Jason...

[@willyboods5197]

I completely agree with Whitlock. I said before that Durant didn’t ruin the nba, the fans did with their talk of rings and whatnot

[@stanzre]

Perspective Sports no the media did ...Whitlock always avoids that point

[@kristion9774]

The 2 best players in today’s nba only have rings because of free agency! They had one finals appearance before free agency and never even made it back to the nba finals until free agency. That has ruined the nba them jumping teams and teaming up with all the super stars to win rings. GSW won a ring through working hard as a team together they also lost together. Jordan’s Bulls won rings through working hard as a team together after they had been losing together.

[@EricGraham1987]

Against your friend is the BEST competition. I would love to face my friends I would take it to them.

[@nickmoore4880]

The NBA seems to be doing pretty well right now.

[@jjones2509]

Everyone thinks about legacy. I'm a painter and I think about it.

[@brgeneralthug225]

No, the creation of superteams and superstar players joining up is ruining the NBA. When everybody is going to the big market teams and only playing in the big markets like the Lakers, Warriors, Rockets and etc. Small market teams like my New Orleans Pelicans, Portland Trail Blazers, Utah Jazz Indiana Pacers Charlotte Hornets bucks and others cannot compete. I miss the old days when guys like Juilus Irving, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, John Stockton Gary Payton Magic Johnson and etc used to want to beat each other and they did not join up and play with each other and small market teams could actually compete and their was true parity in the league. There's only like eight really good teams in the league that the NBA media really covers and talks about while the rest of the league is ignored.

[@Dustin_Love]

People killed Bron for passing score 20 points in first half than ask a team mate who shot 3 shots all game and expects them to hit game winner

[@RIPJimmyA7X]

when the media starts saying that LeBrons legacy will be ruined if he loses this series or nit picking the Warriors like they are supposed to go undefeated for 6 straight years, like wtf, so winning 3 rings and going to the finals 8 times means nothing? or going to 3 straight finals winning 2 of them isnt special? like according to the media every player needs to put up 50 points every playoff game and win 7 titles in a row to not "choke"

[@mogtrader8]

Cuttino with the Cappuccino colorway hair plugs.

[@frankdunlap9664]

Why Cuttino Mobley looking like Lawrence Taylor.......all he's missing is the LT earrings.

[@danCK1990]

I am saying it again.. this is the type of discussion that the emancipated espn shows must have.. These ex players perfectly explained to Jason all his very valid questions...

[@leekautz2926]

Those who praise themselves will b humbled. Those who humble themselves will b exalted

[@alvin081988]

Let's be honest it's the critics, pundits and so called commentators are the ones obsessed w/ Legacy....rarely do you hear or see players talk about their legacy

[@DarkSaint411]

The media did by obsessing about every retired star's legacy

[@Officiallyjaystick]

In my opinion, it should not be all about rings to determine who is the best player. When the media asks what is Lebron's greatest playoff game -- you will get a lot of different responses going all the way back to the series versus the Chauncey Billups, Ba... Ba.. Ba.. Ba.... Ben Wallace (lol) and Richard Hamilton DETROIT PISTONS....coming Forward thru the Garnett, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce BOSTON CELTICS.[the infamous "no regard for human life DUNK" series]...to beating the Pacers team when Wade and Bosh was hurt....George, West, Hibbert....INDIANA PACERS.....to beating Harden, Westbrook and Durant OKC THUNDER to get the first title after the Miami Heat meltdown [which folks forget that Heat team had chemistry issues....1st year together, and there was some slight confusion as to whose team it was...WADE or LEBRON....the following year, Wade conceded that it was Lebron's team....but Wade was introduced last during team introductions at the start of games --- media has flipped this into Lebron's meltdown series....but in actuality, that Heat team did not have battier and allen and others that were needed to resolve chemistry issues]..........and then there is the 1 to 3 comeback versus the Curry, Thompson and Green 73 win GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS......... The list goes on and on and on and that's not counting this year's crazy run.....of 40 point games, buzzer beaters and assists [leads all players in points and assists in the 2018 Playoffs] and three triple doubles and probably three or four near triple doubles. All that being said, if Lebron never wins another championship, his durability and performance and the STATS he is compiling alone, is extraordinary and GOAT worthy. I will not list out the NBA Records he has and is breaking on his own [i.e., Most NBA top five MVP Voting, Most First Team All NBA, Most NBA Player of Weeks, Most NBA Player of Months, etc...etc...] - trust me, the list is LONG But to me, when he passes Kareem Abdul Jabbar 38,000+ record and I believe goes over 40,000 career points scored.....that is a DROP THE MIC MOMENT that criics simply should not be allowed to discount. Not to mention he is already the All Time Playoff scoring leader. Somehow the narrative stays on rings, which is a team thing......but the scoring and STATS that are being accumulated will not be able to continued to be ignored once Mr. Lebron James...passes Kareem and then does the unthinkable and scores 40,000 career points.

[@Forgemno]

Usually I disagree with Jason. However he's right now.

[@Byebye7874]

I didn't know cuttino was that insightful I was pleasantly surprised he can be a great commentator

[@REDPotriats757]

Somebody link the article of Lebron saying the only reason he is playing basketball is to catch Jordan.

[@kristion9774]

Dwight Howard could beat the Celtics without teaming up with super stars but Lebron couldn’t and Lebron couldn’t beat Dwight Howard with a 66 win team, home court advantage, and the number 1 seed! But Lebron the goat?

[@om29]

This was really good, I hope they bring back this cast espeically the guy on the far left.

[@devilson14321]

I never got the argument about AAU and people not competing hard because they know the person lol it sounds like old people talk. I go at everyone hard friends or foes. It's not like if you beat someone they will just stop being friends. The old players just love the drama of people not liking each other. And they ball the new players dramatic smh.

[@stephenjackson2912]

devilson14321 wanting to beat instead of play with another player creates the best competition. You gotta have ego involved or otherwise you get "if I can't beat him, join him" players...........not good.

[@turtleluvin9287]

HAHAHAHA this is great, this is another video where steve nash is brought up. WHen houston was struggling against the warriors Jim Jackson said CP3 and James harden are not steve nash when it comes to making players around them better. Then here Jones and house are like its the game today and mobley was like "if steve nash and mark price was here" , i love when people straight up say hey if the other guys were better it would look different.

[@flame-sky7148]

All I know is, whenever I start watching old 1980's and 1990's games on youtube, I happen to read many of the comment sections and its unanimous, everyone raves about how real basketball used to be. Just saying, Whitlock has a point.

[@OregonGrower420]

You are wrong.. In my opinion it’s all about now, not who was in the league 20 years ago. You can only compare players who are in the league now. I hate when people debate who’s the best when they never played each other

[@drj7899]

Catino went psychological on um. Can’t wait to see him go in big3 again.

[@a.k.infinity1502]

This was a fabulous discussion mainly because Cowherd wasn't in it.

[@JaySmith-rv4ro]

They tried to debate Whitlock but ended up proving his point

[@boogieloo1831]

He's right. Nobody until I LBJ had the delusional arrogance to talk about their own legacy while actively playing. Nobody but LBJ talked about trying to pass another player.

[@ellisphillips2596]

It’s not hard to compete against your friend no matter the era

[@Rivs5117]

Athletes are setting goals for themselves to be the best and trying to be better than one of the 🐐s from back in the day plus when it’s all said and done a players legacy is all we care about.

[@daronchau8820]

LOL. It’s the so called journalists/analysts/reporters/whatever they call themselves.

[@chubtab3151]

How ironic for Whitlock to suggest this. Should be, Legacy obsessed media ruined the NBA.