Meta Quest 3 for sim racing review

[@TheProdigyXP]

This has been my experience as well. My main focus is sim racing. Prior to the Quest 3, the only VR headset I own is the original HTC Vive. I was really reluctant to purchase the Quest 3, because even if the lenses were much better, I wasn't convinced that a link cable or VD would be able to produce the image quality and fluidity that I get from my Vive's HDMI port (noticeable artifacts and compression were not an acceptable option to me). Sure my Vive was very fluid, but had really bad screen door, blur, and aliasing (due to the low resolution). Watching videos on KZbin by people giving their experiences made it really difficult to decide, since there are so many factors at play as to why some would say it was terrible and others would say it was great (CPU, GPU, Router, etc). I'm happy to say I took a shot with the Quest 3 (with full expectation of returning it) and it exceeded my expectations. I personally don't see a good reason for myself to use it wirelessly for sim racing, but I was pleasantly surprised how well Virtual Desktop worked. That said, I'm sticking with the wire for the battery life and stability of a wired connection (I have a wifi 6 router, but not 6E and am using an Orbi RB750 mesh network. I'm using a 5900X, 4090, 32GB.

[@JasonStorm]

Good to hear you liked it, seems great for me, I would say a large jump from an original vive? I’m running wifi 6 as well, I’m not on 6E yet but I will use it with cable anyway

[@chotus69]

Make sure you turn up the bitrate also in oculus debug tool Also make sure to use open composite it will allow steam vr games to not use steam vr but openxr and will give you better performance

[@Hugo-pj4bm]

I use a pico 4 and run it wirelessly with virtual desktop but plug it in to a power adapter next to my seat for infinite battery. That way I don't have to use a thick link cable but just a regular USB-C charge cable, which is much lighter and I don't feel any tug at all. Virtual Desktop is also really simple to use. I just keep virtual desktop running in sleep mode on the VR headset, so I just need to put my VR headset on, and it will automatically connect to my PC. I'm also not even using Wi-Fi 6. Just a 5GHz router in the same room with no other devices connected to the 5Ghz band and I didn't have connection issues once.

[@exponentialbet6292]

Link cable drain for me was from 100% to 77% battery, constant usage in the rig from my PC's dedicated USB C for VR port, a total of five hours. Just 23% battery loss plugged straight into via link cable. I was pleasantly surprised. Thanks for these Quest 3 sim racing comparison and feedback videos. Very useful.

[@JasonStorm]

Your port is better than mine then….makes me want to upgrade my motherboard

[@exponentialbet6292]

@JasonStorm I just got lucky with a Scan pre build. It's definitely not a flex, I'm genuinely surprised after such a long sesh with so much battery remaining. I've tested it a few times as well, and it's the same outcome. Very good videos. 👍

[@chinese_bot]

3 hours of Quest 3 PCVR linked w/ the official Oculus cord brought my headset from 100% to 84% I don’t think it would be physically possible for me to keep it on long enough for it to drain all the way to 0% Can’t speak for anyone else of course as there’s a lot of variables I’m sure but it’s a non problem for me. Most people who complain about screen door btw have no idea what they’re talking about. For alot of people if you’re able to see it, then that immediately means it’s bad which is wildly untrue. For a $500 headset the screen door effect is an improvement on the Quest 2 and then Quest 2’s screen door, or lack of one without looking for it, was really impressive. I have to actually force my eyes to look for it and even when I see it it’s so tiny that it’s easy for me to lose focus of it. In reality when playing games or watching movies it’s basically invisible. Unless you’re coming from a Pimax crystal or something it’s an improvement over most headsets already on the market. In comparison when I use the CV1 it’s hard not to notice the screen door effect, not to mention how claustrophobic the CV1’s FOV is. The Q3’s FOV isn’t much better than Q2 but that little bump sure goes a long way especially when I’m immersed in a game.

[@Drt-91]

​@exponentialbet6292 which model computer did you get mate?

[@Drt-91]

​@exponentialbet6292 I only ask as I'm getting one built at the moment from scan, and I'm trying to figure out which vr to buy.. think I've landed on Quest 3. Only the battery situation is throwing me. Are you saying with the link cable you can play for 5 hours without needing to charge? How is your pc?

[@okami803]

Thanks for the video. I cannot get behind the headset due to the lack of a DisplayPort connection. Otherwise the stats are a great step in the right direction.

[@TortoisePower]

Regarding battery use. I spent around 110 mins in the headset whilst SIM racing with probably 90 mins actually going around the track in that time, be it quali or racing. I used the official quest link cable and have it attached to a pci-e usb-c card on my pc. (I specifically purchased the usb-c pci-express card for linking) My battery was full at the start and was on 91% when I finished.

[@roykolbe402]

Thx for the the vid mate! What program is this? I mean framerate & Latency V1.29.0?

[@Jan-1337]

Guys, please use the link cable and crank the encode bitrate up to 960mpbs in the oculus debug Tool. You will be blown away how sharp it can be and how close the picture is to native display port headsets. It should not have any performance impact as it is just the amount of data pushed through your link cable. I mean i saw your bitrate of ca. 100mps in VD in your video ^^ so if you did not try 960mbps via link, you will think you have a different headset afterwards ;)

[@chrisc3825]

Going to try this, but there is an increase in latency as you go up in bitrate, but it might be worth it

[@whereta3097]

I thought bitrate was capped at 500mbps?

[@GhernieM]

I have the same experience as @@whereta3097 - capped to 500mbps. What encoding you use for 900mbps?

[@jajantona]

My 3080 cant handle that bitrate. Audio stutters and occasionally black screen for half second

[@Jan-1337]

@@jajantona are you Sure that you are linked via cable and not via your Router? That has nothing to do with the 3080. At least if you have not a broken one. Disable HDR on your PC. Link and air Airlink cannot handle that.

[@dathyr1]

Thanks for all your important info on the Quest 3 and SIM racing. I don't have a Quest 3 yet. I am glad you say the Sweet spot is better than the Rift S because I feel my current Rift S is pretty good compared to my other tethered VR headsets. So right now I am using the Rift S. I probably won't be able to push the graphic and FPS as fast as you can. i have a RTX-3080TI for my GPU and should be adequate for me. Plan to try the link cable connections but I shall see how this kind of VR headset works. Thanks for your great video. Take care.

[@mrmidnight32]

The reason everything is fuzzy or blurry in the outside of your center view is a setting to save on CPU/GPU usage. You can turn that off on other head sets. It doesn’t have anything to do with the lenses.

[@AKCobra1120]

Yeah this pretty much sums it up I think. Try WiFi 6e if you want to stay wireless and shave a little off your latency. Even running VD at 500 mbs my network latency hovers around 5-6. I upgraded from WiFi 6, and 6e is noticeably better in latency, clarity (due to being able to run VD at 500 mbs), and smoothness. Absolutely must be line of site though, 6e sucks at going through walls.

[@CamaroWarrior]

I have a quest 2, and I run AC and ACC at 90hz and default resolution on the oculus pc app. And I get well over 100fps maxed out detail at 4k, and around 150-200fps when not in vr mode. since those racing Sims your running aren't very demanding that's why vr racing runs smooth.. now VR gaming in BeamNG is quite demanding...one thing I wish if the quest 3 had OLED lens instead Ryzen 5800x Rtx 3090 ftw3 ultra 32gb ddr4 3600 4TB Gen4 m.2

[@yanushkowalsky1402]

Do you also have triple screen? I just tried quest 2 and it works flawlessly in AC but i found it less suitable for competition than triples.

[@Eskoxo]

Returned my Quest3 still waiting for bigscreen beyond just do not want to deal with no displayport why cant they just include $2 extra parts in quest3 to include displayport trough usb-c protocol... all that usb compression or wireless crap adds latency with extra hog on GPU you do not want any of that in fast reaction games.

[@dpie4859]

Learn to write proper sentences. 😂

[@Eskoxo]

@@dpie4859 thanks mom:)

[@jimbochoo3316]

Because Meta makes no money if you are using it for PC VR. They are in the business to sell you games and advertisement.

[@demetrisyianni9175]

​@@dpie4859 it's a KZbin comment not a literature piece. His comment is perfectly understandable & clear.

[@demetrisyianni9175]

I returned my quest 3 for the same reason. Only using the Pimax 5ks for DCS & Iracing. Get much better performance with it. People don't realise how important latency and refresh rate are with VR. Display port is essential.

[@jackr.749]

As for the Quest 3 performing better than the Quest 2 (and Pico 4 for that matter) is the new XR2 Gen2 chip, it's quite a bit more powerful than the Gen 1 of the Q2 and Pico 4. For better battery life, set refresh rate to 90hz, mine defaulted to 120hz, turn off Passthrough, turn off hand tracking and Bluetooth, this will make your battery last considerably longer. I use mine with a BoBoVR M2 converted to a M3 with the conversion kit, it makes the Quest 3 quite comfortable and with the BoBoVR batteries with the above features turned off, the external battery will actually charge the Q3 as I use it. (BoBoVR battery specs are 2.6 amps). I've only tried the Q3 with AC and it's so much better than the Q2 and Pico 4 due to next to no visual compression, the Q3 is borderline as good visually as the Reverb G2v2 with edge to edge clarity and bigger FOV than the G2.

[@JasonStorm]

I am running 90hz in this video. But thanks for the other tips, I’ll give it a shot. Good to hear it’s better than the reverb G2 v2 , I have been debating buying one to try but now I have this I don’t feel the need to.

[@NuttyTY0]

Would you suggest me to sell my Q2 and G2 and get a Q3?

[@jackr.749]

@@NuttyTY0 Not at all, especially the G2, it's still better than the Quest 3 but not by all that much visually but the G2 has really good audio, the Q3 doesn't unless you mod it. For myself, I use my G2 mostly for sim racing where it's nice to see things in the distance clearly. Also don't forget, the Q3 will use more system resources than the G2, the Q3 GPU wise still has to render the graphics and also compress them, the G2 just does the render part. With AC, the Q3 runs really well, with AMS2, it was a juttery mess using VD, I didn't spend any time trying to get AMS2 to run better however.

[@NuttyTY0]

@@jackr.749 thank you so much for the advice!

[@ivan-j4l9x]

How's the the strap on feeling?

[@tkzii6207]

the Elite must feel so damn good

[@tHoM0r]

Strap-on feeling 😂

[@Goryglory0209]

You should run ACC in oculus mode Wired

[@Marknewell273]

The way I understood virtual desktop's scaling to work was, if set at 100%, it's supersampling it enough to meet the max resolution of the headset. That's why at 100% it shows a higher resolution than your headset's native resolution. Going above that, or to 150% in your case, provides little to no benefit while being much harder to run. Maybe it's different with quest 3, but beyond 100% I couldn't tell a difference with my Q2, G2, Index, Rift S (Rift S or Q2 through oculus I had to set SS at around 130%, with VD 100% because it would bump it up for me)

[@andrew-q5h9w]

virtual desktop with open XR i can run Assetto Corsa 120hz the quest 3 is great but the screen door effect is in full effect.

[@Snakkers]

Bought samsung 20000mah powebank and a splitter for the cable after 7 hours still 99% on the quest and 90% left on the powerbank.

[@Thorsten_0911]

Bro tell me what splitter... like how tf does that work? I've googled so much and everywhere it says it wont work.

[@elProvos]

Would be great to have that info indeed. Spill the beans kind sir!!!

[@m.g.9334]

@Snakkers what splitter?

[@Thorsten_0911]

@@m.g.9334 There are several USB-C Y-Splitters out there but I want to know exactly which one he used because I haven't heard of one that works. Hope he responds.

[@Thorsten_0911]

Bro cmon do you really not respond at all? Just tell us what splitter you bought and help the community out ma man.

[@JonnyMoto]

You had to turn down your graphics bc with VR you're rendering everything twice. Once for each eye. Also, In VR, when you change your head's position it will affect the mirrors which is another taxing resource

[@foreverdoomedvolt]

Most people said that AMD GPU is horrible in VR (compared to NVIDIA). Have you experienced this? this is worried me since I own hackintosh and I don't want to use dual GPU for hackintosh and windows.

[@JasonStorm]

It has become better than it was

[@briwaxman]

why can it not hold 90 fps ? and latency looks high at times, maybe lock to 80 fps

[@rcmedia9516]

I get three dots when I try to connect via link or air Airlink. Super annoying. Can’t even use it. Might return.

[@johnf6545]

What settings are you using in game for ACC? I haven't messed with it too much yet but the bit I tried the colors were blooming like crazy.

[@JasonStorm]

From memory similar to VR high setting with increased resolution scale to 100 instead of 80 and slightly higher pixel density also but depending on your PC, those settings may not work, but higher the resolution scale and pixel density the more frames you’ll drop if your PC can’t keep up, I normally have MSI afterburner open and logging FPS amount other things to see when it lowers off 90fps, and adjust higher or lower depending on results

[@johnf6545]

Thanks for the info, I think I changed a graphics json file out for someones recommended settings last year, will uninstall and reinstall the game to get it back to original and see if I can get it looking good again.@@JasonStorm

[@lucianomicale1099]

Hi, coming from g2 with a 4090, i have found that wired (pumping the res to max on oculus software) on the distance is a little blurry, do you think that with VD is better?!?

[@Armis71]

I prefer VD but you have to pay for it $20 It has more options to tweak.

[@yanchevstanislav]

Can we somehow use it with mixed reality.. like triple screen setup for simracing while also seeing our steering wheel and surroundings🙄

[@valentinedpg]

Aaah.. I Believe. Alot thought about that but the game would have to implement it

[@renta5177]

I’ll race for about an hour via link and it drops the battery about 5%

[@speedvr829]

Q3 is easier to run because the gen 2 cpu. Processes the encoding faster than q2.

[@tHoM0r]

Its a shame this thing doesnt have a display port and has a battery. For that reason I won't touch it. Second hand g2 for me it seems. Options are lacking. Where is the index 2?

[@LucasJodokast]

yeah wtf is going on, every new headset that comes out either has no wireless or garbage tracking, i just want a wireless headset that uses base stations but has a displayport & power cord option for when i sim race, atm my vive with wireless adaptor is literally it but the stupid thing keeps overheating farrrk!

[@gregpatrick981]

Don't get a G2. Microsoft have just announced the deprecation of WMR. Likely to be gone in a Windows update before the end of 2024.

[@chrishart5474]

⁠so what happens to G2@@gregpatrick981 as I have one

[@Goryglory0209]

Is that Cat Yoga behind

[@intelligence6900]

Why are the cars floating over the asphalt in vr ?

[@JasonStorm]

In VR for higher frame rate I don’t have contact patches enabled

[@intelligence6900]

@@JasonStorm oh I see what kind of a video card do you have ?

[@AL.farmlife]

6 hrsvon link cable

[@victornin7505]

Can you run the Q3 with a 4070ti and i5?

[@TiemeHv]

And did you try it

[@victornin7505]

I did. but did not like it. and returned it.@@TiemeHv

[@Simlife101]

How do you think i will do with my 1145mbps down and 100mbps upload and my router supports 6e wifi? Also i have the 4080 super ive heard 40 series gpus have something that helps with using the quest 3 with a 40 series gpu any info on that? Cheers

[@eclark9965]

“Too much” “that much”. Just sealed my decision.

[@casey22857]

Got the elite strap on Hu 🤣

[@sighupcmd]

I want to buy Q3, but I can't find any anwsers: is the picture you stream really 3D, or you just see flat (2D) image? I'm not interested in VR games, I want to play my steam games in 3D. But no reason to by Q3 if the image is 2D, I'd rather buy 96" TV. In order to stream real 3D there must be special streaming protocol, I'm not sure Steam Link app (or how it's called) may help here. Thanks!

[@reshi899]

Its 3d, just like in real life with depth

[@WouterGrimmie]

Why is it titled "Flawed"? You are nothing but positive about it. False advertising if you ask me!