Java for the Haters in 100 Seconds

Java is one of the most successful and most dreaded technologies in the computer science world. Let's roast this powerful open-source programming language to find out why it has so many haters.
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[@Fireship]

jk, java is actually pretty good 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/omqkq4Jne7Kag5o

[@thyscott6603]

Fk no. #byexJavadev

[@sithsithari]

NO

[@oamioxmocliox8082]

;)

[@dislord1326]

PLOT TWIST: It is April Fools

[@everyhandletaken]

Oh, this is the actual Aprils fools, now I get it.

[@MarkGruffalo]

When I was a little kid starting programming I downloaded the JDK from another website, because I thought the official website was a scam… 😂😂👌🏾

[@alaminjumamagoti5045]

😀😀😀😀😂😂😅

[@user-dh8oi2mk4f]

lmfao

[@shikyokira3065]

Being so young yet so savvy. You certainly have a bright future

[@VinyZikss]

lmao you were right to think that, with an ugly ass 1998 looking website

[@justSomeUserOnYT]

You still are a little kid, wym?

[@paul7408]

The vertical monitor thing is a lie, you need ultrawide because the error message stretch so long horizontally

[@m0llux]

Or to display your class names.

[@TorutheRedFox]

you don't obfuscate your code in a way that makes reading native crash stack traces near impossible to decode? amateur

[@auckzsv8599]

I have SUPER Ultrawide and STILL cant read the error messages properly.

[@sc1ss0r1ng]

Oh yeah... The longest error message I've seen, was when working with Spring and JPA, it just went on and on and on like forever, because of a circular reference somewhere haha...

[@clashgamers4072]

Get a ultrawide vertical monitor

[@ultimate50s98]

I find it halarious that the Java website was changed almost immediately after this video was released.

[@diddlybop]

and it still looks like a scam lol

[@qdaniele97]

Now looks only 10 years old instead of 20 😅

[@legbender1584]

poor java devs are so scared of april 1st video 😭

[@fishyc43sar]

And they finally removed the "3 Billion Devices Run Java" after a century.

[@FlytoTheSpace]

wait WHAT?, IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN CHANGED???, the last time I've visited that website was when I had downloaded Minecraft

[@PorthoGamesBR]

As an old sage said: "Learning Java as your first language is like learning how to ride a bicycle. But there is no training weels or break, the tires are flat and the bike is on fire." Guess what was my first language?

[@lucyboy8276]

Russian blin Gopnik programmer

[@Fl4shback]

Java is the go to language for programming intros in universities... If you think you have it bad with java as a beginner you have no clue what c++ holds in store for you. You have so many safeguards in Java.... I like c(++) more, though

[@Frizou]

just go with lua, it even got stability wheels !

[@mikey630]

I first learned C++ then java. 🤡

[@Steven_Flores2112]

@@Fl4shback I'm actually learning C++, it's really that hard?

[@NicolasPare]

I'm confident that the statement about Java not updating their website since the 90s is accurate.

[@everyhandletaken]

Maybe they are so pissed that applets didn’t take off, that they refused to upgrade ever since

[@techwizpc4484]

@@everyhandletaken Just checked the website and yup, it's still early 2000-ish.

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@everyhandletaken it's not that they didn't take off, because they kinda did they just got shot down because of how insecure running a full blown application that can get full local user, and sometimes even admin access to your computer *_AUTOMATICALLY ON PAGE LOAD_* is

[@SkyyySi]

I got curious and checked the wayback machine. The oldest one I could load (from late 2003) actually looked very different. Which makes it even more confusing, considering it means that this design is comparatively "recent"...

[@manasnagelia]

@@SkyyySi Yeah I saw the wayback machine too

[@yashmjj]

"Life is too short to be coding in Java man" Words to live by

[@pranavnyavanandi9710]

@ㄥㄚҠҠㄖ丂 But isn't javascript dynamically typed?

[@shreehari2589]

@ㄥㄚҠҠㄖ丂 javascript is way easier than java, moreover javascript is interpreted language and is literally all over the internet, so javascript >>>>>> java

[@kartikpintu]

I want this on a T-shirt

[@abrahamsanchez7331]

@ㄥㄚҠҠㄖ丂 oh right, I forgot java was so secure, remind me what was log4j written in again? Kidding aside, any language is going to be as safe as you make it, java is not inherently safer than JavaScript imo.

[@SomeOSCMember]

preach bro

[@NFSHeld]

Java has to be the only technology platform that is alive yet has the FAQ link on "How to uninstall" placed as the third most prominent thing on the homepage. It's like "Hi there, we suppose you're here because you want to uninstall our product."

[@voidbite]

It has changed into the number 1 thing on the faq

[@ekzac]

"Java: a boilerplate driven language designed for writing verbose object-oriented instant legacy code" You could end the video there. That's the only truth people need to know about it 😂

[@xdrap1]

“Java Applet sucks so bad that makes HTML, CSS and Js like a good abstraction for building UI” got me dead.

[@Rentaro_dev]

same.This man has a great sense of humour

[@vaibhavsoni2437]

The funny thing is, it's kinda true.

[@shapelessed]

Might be me but not sure I'd wanna have all my structure, logic and style written inline like "some other" languages... ...but we always have a framework for that ig

[@tedchupig]

microsoft can't kill garbage IE even in 2022. he wants to. he can't. he deserves it.

[@alathreon8315]

When I think that some courses in 2022 are still learning students to use Applets.

[@marufbepary100]

Even though this is a joke, a good chunk of that was real. This man still manages to teach you something new even today.

[@faraday4160]

Even though a good chunk of that was real, java is still one of my favorite languages.

[@hellelo.5840]

I am sorry this was not a joke 😂🤣

[@klasesalk]

this was 100% real

[@sakatagintoki8835]

Something burning

[@linusworkshop]

Hahaha I didn't even realize it was a April fools joke because I agree with every point 😂

[@jerichiyo]

No one hired me as PHP developer even with 3 years of coding experience. But now I'm a Java ASE in a japanese company after just a month of learning it. Thank you Java!

[@hsider]

Exactly, companies prefer Java over any other language, and Java programmers are well paid. Good to hear that you made the good choice.

[@panda4247]

@@hsider it's sad

[@sqwert654]

You make great points for learning Java. As a coder it will create more work for me, more time typing, more time debugging (I love debugging). I love OOP. And you will never be unemployed because you will need to maintain the code base going forward. Long live Java.

[@PG-24]

Same here, Especially in android most of the time, code writes itself

[@v0rtex-]

"Life is way to short to code in JAVA man" - Quote that inspired millions

[@aikslf]

What inspired me to learn programming is Minecraft mods, which are in Java

[@v0rtex-]

@@aikslf I think the first line of code that I ever wrote was like changing "online-mode=false" in Minecraft properties

[@Hubert4515]

i agree with it 100%

[@konstkaras]

Did you mean "too short to code" or "to shorten code"?

[@srimpingkid3490]

@@konstkaras which do you think makes the most sense?

[@ShyneeYT]

As a Java developer I completely agree with every point in this video yet I will still import 30 libraries so that I can do every single programming task imaginable in Java

[@tijsbeek8590]

I only disagree with Log4j being Java's fault, we don't blame Python for having an eval function either?

[@seaweedglob]

At least you're not a 'hippie dev', as the tribe calls it.

[@omegaui]

Java Rocks + For Life ❤️

[@seaweedglob]

@@MoradorDeCalcada r/java

[@SanchitSnehashish]

Yeah, and we have tools to deal with dependencies so it makes it easier

[@Code_Machine]

I remember when I was learning about applets. My usual teacher was so passionate about Java that he got SAP certified in the language. He loved Java so much that they had to get a completely different lecturer to teach us applets because even he thought they were not even worth hearing about let alone actually learning about. He was very open about how much he thought they sucked.

[@buizelmeme6288]

Can you please make this into a series? I like this format! I would like to know the disadvantages of every populer programming languages out there! I hope it will turn into a series :D Eg: Phython for the haters C++ for the haters Apache for the haters ...and so on :D

[@Big-Timbo]

"Java: A boiler plate driven language designed for writing verbose object oriented instant legacy code" - Plato Circa. 428 BC, Probably

[@WolfrostWasTaken]

"instant legacy code" is so true it made me laugh so hard

[@scriptKiddieOG]

😂😂😂

[@aayush5474]

imagine saying this in java interview

[@Eggenics]

Based

[@safaa3618]

@Wolfrost Hey english is not my first language could you pls explain what that means?

[@Hlebuw3k]

As someone who got into lightly modded Minecraft recently, the "You will need a vertical screen to read the error logs" is literally whats happening

[@manofacertainrage856]

I was a build engineer at Minecraft - if you want to annoy the MS people at that company all you have to do is remind them that it took one man and java to create a game in a few months that created the wave that pays all their salaries.

[@shroom7932]

same

[@heyn]

welcome big pancake guy

[@Proladon]

​@@manofacertainrage856 but the success is idea of minecraft, not what programming language is using

[@manofacertainrage856]

@@Proladon Ideas are plentiful and many people have ideas. It's the actual work, skill and perseverance to implement an idea that matters. When work matters, tools matter. Java might have been the only choice at that time for one person to implement Minecraft in a hurry.

[@kjyu4539]

i don't write in java but anyway many useful free/open source programs has been written in this language over many years and i used some of them so i thank and appreciate those developers. salute and respect to them. they contributed substantially to the free/open source software world.

[@xperwar]

my first language second year as CS students and we started learning programming with Java , quite easy and hard at the same time but when you understand what's happening and why it's happening everything seems much easier , i still make mistake tho

[@MrHarry37]

"Javascript, a language that has taken develoeprs 25 years to make halfway decent" Never have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with

[@RillianGrant]

The No Man's Sky of programming languages

[@marufbepary100]

JavaScript is one of those languages that everyone hates but we still have to use. Better learn to love what you hate.

[@geralt36]

Why did you get offended by it?

[@nabl8397]

@@geralt36 It's a meme

[@wearesciber]

"You Just Insulted My Entire Race Of People, But Yes"

[@MatheusKlSch]

as someone who programmed in java some time ago, starting with "boiler plate driven language designed for writing verbose object oriented instant legacy code" made me like the video as fast as my standard office mouse allows.

[@PaulieTheDude]

It's not THAT bad with annotations.

[@alekvassinskiy1286]

I work with java for 1 year. Still dont know what the fuck that means haha

[@AnotherRandomCreator]

@@alekvassinskiy1286 well lets make kid learn java for a whole year and give them project and the end of a year using java ~My School Science Computer subject Yes in secondary school we have science computer

[@psychoh7329]

Is the mouse you using dell?

[@Pyovali]

It has gotten better with annotations, var keyword and lambda functions tho.

[@jadelkarchi3305]

I had to write a final report about Java's work environment, and I've used all what you said in this video as an introduction. Luckily, I passed the class!

[@nikolaila6302]

when he said "It's recommended for you to have vertical monitor to read the error logs", I really felt that

[@comedyclub333]

"Instant Legacy" is pretty much the core concept of Java.

[@graealex]

While it is true, it is basically because Java is "write once, live forever".

[@willkydd]

That's 100% a feature for programmers. Instant job security and extra pay.

[@linusworkshop]

@@willkydd COBOL of the 2000s! :D

[@Mipetz38]

I have never have to debug java code because once I write it I leave the company

[@sailbatten2056]

LOL. Nothing like a bunch of junior engineers pulling "wisdom" out of their ass. Children: Move on now. You've made up enough nonsense for one day. Have a cookie.

[@kodeypatterson8973]

"No one has bothered to update the website ever since..." So accurate

[@semihkaplan]

Click on the download: So you wanna download Java to your browser eh? Too late.

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

That's because they will have to use javascript for it xD

[@jackbrowns469]

Do people still download the jdk/jre from the website?

[@circuit10]

@@jackbrowns469 People often search “Java download”, which is understandable. Sadly that means a lot of people have the proprietary version of Java 8 instead of something open-source and modern Edit: Luckily they have a link to OpenJDK now… but in a warning about license agreements that everyone will ignore

[@vasiovasio]

The girl on the right side is already a grandmother of three!

[@diadetediotedio6918]

The most happy moment in my job was when I stopped using Java and started using kotlin instead, I never touched the language but just because it is not Java I felt instantly better writting on it than writting the tons of javaplate code

[@spliterash]

I tell you little secret, but kotlin compiles in JAVA virual machine bytecode

[@diadetediotedio6918]

@@spliterash And what? My problem was never with JVM, my problem was with Java itself, the language syntax sounds like an elder lich trying to make cakes. Also, Kotlin compiles to native code too

[@malenalucero6473]

Every time I think about working with Java I'll repeat that like a mantra: life is too short to be programming in Java

[@wvaviator3408]

I love this format. I say roast every language! Knowing what sucks about a language is just as important as knowing what's good. 10/10 - Keep 'em coming!

[@xdrfvgyhn64]

Definitely this! We need a "{Prog. Lang here} for the Haters in 100 secs" series! I believe the bad in any programming language teaches us just as much as the good in them. Javascript version next please? (even though I love Javascript because of Typescript)

[@KewalTailor]

Yup definitely

[@IngwiePhoenix]

Highly agreed. Every coin has two sides after all!

[@renatosardinhalopes6073]

I would prefer a video explaining the good and the bad, I want to understand where I would use a language and where I wouldn't...

[@masterflitzer]

@@xdrfvgyhn64 js version of the video wouldn't fit in 100s tho

[@explodatedfaces]

"instant legacy code" hit me so hard given that everything we make at work literally becomes instant legacy code... ah the finance sector.

[@demoniack81]

I remember the first time a webapp that I wrote FROM SCRATCH was called "legacy" by this guy. It stings, man. But at the same time it was in the context of "all new apps will have to follow this new aRcHiTeCtUrE we're planning, but since you're legacy you can keep doing what you want", so I guess I like being legacy now

[@khedubaba]

Recently got out from such company and their bank client's project, can relate so hard right now.

[@cube2fox]

At least the finance sector pays relatively well.

[@explodatedfaces]

@@cube2fox relatively is the key word. It's certainly nothing close to FAANG though

[@leoMC4384]

Most of your servers run on COBOL. SMH...

[@JonnyRelax]

bro i am no programmer, but i can somewhat read the error logs whenever i try to mod minecraft and the vertical monitor screen is so true lol

[@tigerslashii7097]

The best part about programming in Java is the paychecks.

[@thewokecoder]

“Spend the next 20 years migrating to Postgres” Literally every fortune 500 companies

[@lelexy9866]

It hit too close to home as I'm involved in a 2+ year migration to postgres :D

[@pauldanielmooney]

Can never touch anything Oracle ever again

[@ShaferHart]

It serves them right

[@soekarmana]

okay i out of the loop IS THIS FOR REAL? seriously?

[@TrippSC2]

@@pauldanielmooney I worked for a medium-sized company that only had 1 physical server in their environment; the one running Oracle DB for one of their business unit ERPs. For those that don't know, Oracle DB in a virtualized environment must be licensed for every physical CPU core that it could possibly run from. Their BS licensing pretty much sealed the deal that I'll recommend anyone to not get in bed with Oracle ever.

[@TailRecursion]

As a Java developer, you've just reinforced my subscription. Reverse psychology!

[@sCr33nSh0o71]

i am so sorry that you are a java dev

[@amogusus7695]

Rip your sanity

[@abdenourbacha4782]

@@sCr33nSh0o71 i'm a java dev too, it's not that bad man xD

[@mhmmdshaz98]

@@abdenourbacha4782 that's what they all say. Stay strong brother, we are here to help.

[@jisrite]

@@mhmmdshaz98 LOLL

[@hackanimator12]

as a java student, you perfecly summarized my love and hate relationship with java, and I always thought that duke was a penguin like linux, now I will never unsee this new perspective of it

[@sidharthcs2110]

Currently going through this hell

[@jaiminparmar7996]

1:44 I love how he says "Hello world" while typing "Hi mom", meaning that his mom is his world 💜

[@supersaiyangoku1495]

Nice

[@christianalexandernonis2260]

Wtf

[@ME0WMERE]

aww, that's kinda sweet :D

[@patatopeeler3005]

Truly poetic

[@marcoluk282]

Lol

[@vaibhavsoni2437]

Not gonna lie, I would watch a series of this. Please do PHP next ;)

[@tropicaljupiter]

But that wouldn’t be an April fools joke

[@RedGuardGamer]

@@tropicaljupiter kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2jCiHmLoauGb5Y

[@tedchupig]

php is good. JS is the problem

[@everyhandletaken]

@@tedchupig lol

[@Yous0147]

@@tropicaljupiter Oh that's why! I forgot it was April 1

[@sagetarus1]

My first programming language was Java. I took an AP CS class in high school and it was my first bit of programming experience ever. The absolute madness Java brought me is ridiculous. Good sink or swim moment though that taught me a lot.

[@Dylan_thebrand_slayer_Mulveiny]

My first ever experience coding was in qbasic on an old IBM 286 10mhz with 1mb of ram and 40mb of HDD. I taught myself to write games. I'd LOVE to see a fireship video on qbasic.

[@vast634]

I wrote my first 3D renderer (just lines) in qbasic.

[@kingbacon1918]

This video was a work of art. No other way to put it

[@EricSundquistKC]

I was taking him so seriously, too! I thought he was coming down really hard on it

[@waadeland]

Maybe even a fork of art!

[@GottZ]

How is this april fools? As a former Java Dev, I agree 100% to this.

[@AllInForYah]

As a current Java dev, I 100% agree with this

[@DarcMagikian]

As a future Java dev, I 100% agree to this

[@oysteinsoreide4323]

Actually most of the things said about the structure of the program is also true in C# as C# came as a result of Microsoft not being able to change Java to their own liking. And actually C# is a quite good programming platform compared to many others.

[@XQuanten]

@@sdf-mb2cx that's sad, I'd rather have death

[@the-MaZe]

@@oysteinsoreide4323 I am a C#-Developer and would say it like that: Nowadays Java feels like a worse C#. And I really like the langauge-/syntactic sugar C# brought up over the years. I touch Java only when absolutely necessary. I also like C, C++, Rust. A good language for me has to fulfill the following three requirements: 1. It is typed. strong typed. I want to know my types at compile time. 2. It must be compiled. I want performance from this era and not wasting compute power on interpretation. 3. It does not contain the word "Java" in its name!

[@mingchang4759]

This video showed up right after i gave my java exam(about an hour ago). I tried loving java so much. Whole semester I tried learning but at the end the result is always the same: failure. I feel like crying rn. No matter how much I try I still cant do it. I blank out as soon as the questions show up.

[@CrazySexyDutchYessss]

Aw :( Perhaps you have exam blackout due to not feeling confident enough? But I learned Java as my first language and have the 1.6 Java cert, if your exam is on super picky small details it will be very hard. Or, perhaps Java just isn't for you? That's cool too! My husband who knows C++/C says C# is nicer while still being a typed language.

[@corvus8638]

What resources were you using? I had to spend a lot of time but I like Java and did well in my classes

[@travisledo]

Most complaints about Java is just a side affect of the good things. It's a "what is more important" kind of situation. For example : There is a lot of boiler plate code. That is because the whole OOP thing, they had scaling in mind. Without it, reading a big application would be a clusterf*ck like JS. (The whole reason TypeScript was invented for JS). Plus you get a crazy good autocomplete in Java because it's so strict with OOP, so you are not really typing as much as you think. You can catch your mistakes before you even run the app. The IDE knows what you mean to type already after like 1 letter. It also allows very easy to follow debugging. I would take too much boiler plate code for all these features any day. Java is the way it is to eliminate the "wild west feel where anything goes" like some other languages and reduce obvious human error.

[@c.mirashi]

I felt good reading this, I'm learning Java and i didn't know should I drop it or not

[@eren5411]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@c.mirashitry everything continue with what u like

[@Aero-Saint]

Literally accepted a Java focused software position today. Incredible timing 😂

[@StrangerInAStrangeLand1999]

Good thing it's still April 1st. Just email 'haha jk' and they'll be forced to offer you another job.

[@faraday4160]

gl bro

[@everyhandletaken]

Let the gray hairs begin

[@shoaibmujawar1375]

F

[@TomNook.]

good luck with the pain

[@mindasb]

The "jokes per second" is though the roof in this one. Its punchline after punchline.

[@klasesalk]

fact after fact

[@amyshaw893]

i found the term "Rick" to be a useful measurement of these. 1 Rick is 1 joke or meme per second. I think highest scored video I've ever seen was about 0.3 Ricks on average

[@Jambajakumba]

I'm stealing that jokes per second😂

[@taylorb2783]

@@Jambajakumba yes me to: JPS (jokes per second)

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

I started learning java through processing because of how simple it is to plot pixels and render stuff. I actually had no idea that in "normal java" you have to write so much to just get hello world. I know that behind the scenes this is probably still in the code, i just don't get why you need all those parameters in main and why i should care about them.

[@kenubenu7218]

String args[] is an array of Strings which can be passed to the main function of a class. When you run a class using "Java class_name", you can pass string parameter from command line like "java class_name arg0, arg1, arg2, arg2....argN" and in the main class you can access the passed arguments using args[i]. Actually in c++ too, you can do this, it accepts one integer and string array, but it is optional to specify it.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

It is how your programme interfaces with the operating system and the user. You can pass parameters and arguments to your thing, so it has to have a way of receiving them. In Java that is the String array in the main method. What Java doesn't offer you easily is a way to crash out with an error. You can crash with a stack trace, of course, but as far as the OS is concerned, the programme still terminated cleanly. That's because the return code is used by the VM. The OS is only given an error if the VM crashes. An abnormal end of _your_ code is not an error as far as Java is concerned.

[@OOO-mn1ds]

What I don't like about Java is that some lines are really long and weir to read. Also, why every language with brackets recommends not to ident the brackets with the piece of code they belong to? I like how Pascal and Python are read, but no one uses Pascal and Python is weak-typed and I don't really like it for OOP

[@CottidaeSEA]

Use Scala or Kotlin. They mostly solve those issues.

[@untitledgoose5526]

i firstly learned python, then c/cpp but i hated the complexity of coding in it, then i decided to learn java, and i love cpp now

[@SolathPrime]

First time : - )

[@Uvuv6969]

Yes. Java is shit , c++ is pog

[@adriantupas4730]

@@Uvuv6969 “Repent, then, and turn to RUST, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the CARGO.” Acts 3:19. My brother, I used to be in darkness like you but I found the light in rust. It does not judge you based on your past sins but rather your willingness to repent. Come to church, program in RUST.

[@KewalTailor]

Yay!!!

[@sajibsrs]

"They got us in the first half, not gonna lie".

[@pitched7401]

I use Java, as highschool inspired me to actually learn how to at least write a decent program. Managed to create an autoplayer for a game in it and it's actually kinda fine. I don't intend on becoming a professional developer, so having Java as a tool is awesome

[@ibrahimsyedshah7058]

Did noone else pick up that the HelloWorld java wasn't a public class?

[@isheanesunigelmisi8400]

Ah, Java the programming language that we all love... I'm not being held hostage here, I promise

[@isheanesunigelmisi8400]

@@AsaSato I've never blinked so hard in my life

[@FADHsquared]

I love Java, and it's definitely not April 1st today!

[@yusrgeneral]

understandable

[@d3ly746]

Java is pretty Based tbh Strongly typed, don't have to deal with pointers, works on many platforms

[@marusdod3685]

@@d3ly746 you still have to deal with pointers, they're just implicit and are called references. its typesystem is pretty rudimentary compared to any language other than C. works on many platforms but also looks out of place in every one of them

[@billmagundie6866]

You need one vertical monitor for the stack trace and one ultrawide curved monitor so you can read your class definitions and the interfaces they implement.

[@gorowashere]

I still remember learning Java as my first language as part of my school's computer science course. In NetBeans. *shudders*

[@BloodyMobile]

I never thought much about it after having gotten used to C#, but I actually hate OOP /because/ of the boilerplate. And after over a decade of JavaScript and C#, my first instinct when I have to run a code test to try out handling a simple sequence of operations, I open the debug console in the browser, because it's there and it just works without requiring classes and namespaces. Although C# made it at least only half as bad as Java did. It doesn't whine at me when I write a whole program with 20 classes into a "single" Program.cs file. Java throws a tantrum and dies from an aneurysm instead. Wish it'd stay dead too... I'm understand by now why people like Python despite the awful block structure. I /still/ hate it's indentation for block scopes, but otherwise it /is/ nice to use. And I love that Java is so bad, nothing's more fun than having a common enemy xD

[@user-uu6xz6lk6o]

C# don't even need classes anymore to write simple one-file programs. You just write Console.WriteLine("Hello world"); And nothing else

[@BloodyMobile]

@@user-uu6xz6lk6o that's only because C# 8 (I think) "simplified" things by creating all that stuff silently in the background. You don't see it in your file anymore but it's still there, the compiler just does it for you. Haven't tried it myself yet, I'm slow to change and still worked with C# 5 or so until recently.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

OOP doesn't need boilerplate code. Java does.

[@theFriendlyGhst]

Once in a job interview they asked if I knew Java and I replied with, "Wait? People still use Java?". I still think I gave the right answer.

[@goodlife1302]

Did you really tell this in your job interview?

[@totomaiden08]

@@goodlife1302 clearly there wasn't even an interview

[@benjaminlynch9958]

I drink at least 2 cups of Java every morning. I think it’s a requirement to becoming a software developer.

[@shanthidv9732]

@@benjaminlynch9958 you are absolutely right.. I believe if you are a java developer you can learn any tool or technology easily

[@theFriendlyGhst]

@@goodlife1302 I actually did. 🤣 It was at a point in the interview where I knew I didn't want the job though.

[@sanketower]

"Life is way too short to be coding in Java, man" This quote is gold

[@MechMK1]

To this day, I can not find a single person able to tell me why it is necessary to put logic into SingletonFactoryProxyFacadeContextStrategyImpl instead of writing actually meaningful code.

[@fredashay]

Actually, I love Java! I write Minecraft mods/plugins for my server in Java as a hobby using the Spigot API and Eclipse SDK. But you're so right about "spending 3 days installing the the JRE, the JDK, Eclipse, and MySql..." I have the added tasks of downloading the Spigot API and compiling it and adding it to the Build Path in Eclipse, lol.

[@elamandeep]

1:28 this is quite funny way to remember java syntax🤣

[@TrippSC2]

I work in IT infrastructure. I remember talking to a few developer friends who were in college and they were telling me how much they loved Java. They were pretty shocked when I told them how much of a pain in the ass Java apps were to work with for a server team.

[@BladeTrain3r]

Goddamn Glassfish... Tomcat not much better.

[@ragnarockerbunny]

Java does its own garbage collection whereas you have to do that manually jn C and C++, which is usually what you work with in uni/college. It legitimately is a blessing to finally get to switch to Java in second year especially since uni computers use Netbeans for Java and use note fuck you pad and termi-eatshit-nal for C++ and C. C# is a happy middleground and probably should be used over Java but once you get past the boilerplate, Java is still easier to use, for the most part. At production levels its different but for uni projects... The last thing you wanna see when trying to implement a skip list is a segfault

[@rubbish9231]

Java still a king

[@snowy0110]

lmao, tell me what is the ultimate alternative, wise man?

[@rubbish9231]

@@snowy0110 Alternative for java is using latest technologies of java like serverless java. People don't know java is king

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

Java is pretty alright. It has some annoying features and it tends to be extremely long-winded. But I will admit while I dislike using Java while using java, I miss it whenever I use something else. Mostly I miss java's IDEs cause they're incredibly smart. Made even more stack cause I've been using VHDL, the latest significant update for which was released in 2008. It's tools have also not been updated since 2008 and look like they belong on Vista.

[@KangoV]

As a current Java dev I can now do this: if (obj instanceof WindowFrame(_, Size(_, int height))) { text = $.("Height: \{height}"); } Yes, actual code. record deconstruction, pattern matching, nameless variables and string interpolation (templates). Just some of the new stuff. There is also, vector api (SIMD, AVX, AVX512), foreign functions, virtual threads etc etc.

[@Jouzou87]

Javs also has a very good documentation, in my opinion

[@KolMan2000]

Java is the language my college is making us focus on the most. 3 terms of a Computer Programming Certificate is all I gotta do and all 3 of those terms have Java. Meanwhile, Python and C are freaking elective courses

[@Time4Technology]

The "vertical monitor" part hit me, troubleshooting JBOSS applications takes SUCH a huge backlog to find the start of the exception!

[@MarthinusBosman]

Honestly, I'd love more of these for everything. It's easy to love a new language or framework, it's harder to understand it's shortcomings.

[@dominusgloriae]

Java was the language that helped me get into IT, relocate to other country and it payed the bills for several years :) For those who like Java and not afraid of it weird verbosity I started working on a playlist with Java interview Q&A: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpbUf3WYe85pkJI

[@darkmtbg]

I always found the IDE's to Java to be lacking at best, Though i started on C# but i'm in the progress of moving completely to Linux from Windows. at least i can take my favorite language to Linux even if i cant bring my favorite IDE. Its also hard to download the offcial JDK from oracle these days. i usually just go for the adopt java development kit.

[@onat4345]

I just left a java exam and this is exactly how i feel right now.

[@m7mdnho154]

+1

[@vaisakhkm783]

😂dont blame java for that... Blame those who invented algorithms...

[@drexxdrazzer29]

I am an Automation Engineer and I use java as my primary language, Java was the first language I learnt, Now it takes only 4-5 days for me to learn any language, Everything seems very easy.

[@stefnotch]

Does "any language" include the academic's favourite language: Haskell? :P

[@Carleslc]

@@stefnotch Java was my first language too, and I agree other languages are normally easy to learn, but oh boy HaskELL was another beast to fight. Then I tried Prolog, not so bad after Haskell

[@alexwenger9655]

Good luck learning functional languages lol

[@simplyabdou8425]

I doubt that buddy

[@aidenlilley1319]

This is less because you started with java and more because you're experienced with thinking like a programmer, and the dunning kruger effect.

[@JuanBeta23]

I'm studying software engineering, I'm just in second semester and we are learning everything through java, I'm struggling so much with object oriented programming but at least it made me happy to know that some of my struggling has to do with the language. Now I don't know if I should feel happy or sad regardless learning java because I know that it'll be a pain in my ass but will make it easier when I move on to learning different languages.

[@pixelfairy]

Thought all the schools switched to python as first language years ago. Its better as a first language. I'd learn java after c++. At least you'd know where Gosling was coming from when making java.

[@TriflingToad]

​@@pixelfairy mine did html first, then JavaScript, then java

[@thomas.leitner]

As someone who is used to develop C# for the sake of developing instead of configuring projects, I am also have to use Java in the company I work for. I think Java is ok, it's stone-age but ok, it was more about pain I had with Eclipse, which is gone with IntelliJ. But I probably will never get used to the idea that it's supposed to be a feeling of progress and accomplishment, when wasting time on project setups, SDK issues and Gradle configurations and what not. With that said, I recently opened a 2 year old C# hobby project of mine. Was used to be a project that opens and runs without any additional configurations. Falls apart with new issues as well now, after all the environment updates in between. So I guess everything becomes more complex and interdependent, as developers we should rather keep it together and make things easier and not worse.

[@chickenjoy]

In my first job application as a programmer, I was made to code a simple java program using notepad++. I knew exactly I would fail the exam because I was not sure about the public static vmsa.

[@Yarkanlaki]

I failed at exam cuz I write argv instead of args

[@MegaRockandroll09]

@@Yarkanlaki that's the most bullshit reason for failing. args is as in argument, it could be anything, i could name it rickroll and the program would still execute just fine

[@02orochi]

Admittedly, defining the startin point of a java app is kinda atrocious, but for ur Interview i arhue that Algorithms are more important than syntax

[@mr_confuse]

@@MegaRockandroll09 sad thing is, a lot of people don't even realize that the name of that paramter can be changed without issues, kindof ironic if you ask me

[@thepiratepeter4630]

@TheSnowscar Why? notepad++ is good

[@kaylenm]

I have never, EVER felt so incredibly offended by something I 100% agree with.

[@alexwenger9655]

Switch to C# bruh. Join us.

[@jimjamz.]

@@kaylenm "quick snippet of code"? You must be trolling.

[@RiseUpAgain77]

@@jimjamz. LOL🤣🤣🤣

[@brucen83]

Learnt Java during a December holidays and created some small gui apps that didn’t read or write to en or files. Before did the same with c++ and Qt and design patterns, then at some point pascal which made everything feel so unnecessary , at some point used Python just as a scripting thing for automation but was very simple no classes, just code. Still did like small apps and did it in the other languishes just to see how it felt. But Java never felt like the way to go but hey you have to do what you

[@davidwuhrer6704]

Small, simple executables are definitely the way to go. Scripting languages can be faster than compiled code because of how small they can be. And small reusable things that do one thing can be reused in other things, or used with other things. It's weird how most people seem to want to cram as much as possible into one huge image which takes forever to load, forever to stop, and is a nightmare to debug because you don't know where the offending component is, and when you find it you don't know how many others it is connected to in what ways. Keep it small and simple. Do one thing and do it well. Don't reinvent half the operating system. Use pipelines.

[@mohammadadil456]

I am writing a code in java it's a if else statement but my code only print else statement and without even asking for my input, what should I do to?

[@hg_ofthecity_old_thi]

2:05 "life is way too short to be coding in java man"

[@ZTF666]

java was in my life for 8years straight , ate java ,drank java , shat java , i took a break and went to javascript for the past 4 years ,i felt so free , but lately i found myself slowly being sucked into the java world once again and tbh i missed the pain of coding with it

[@st_bakerino]

@NullPointerException saw u today

[@ZTF666]

@@st_bakerino lol

[@zentrocs]

drank java is such a cool word play

[@DerNoobster]

@@st_bakerino lmao

[@gianni50725]

javascript is a much worse evil than java. at least java has strong types.

[@AK-vx4dy]

As always bulls eye and painly truthfull ;) But lack of Spring part :D I made applets :D before IE5 times ;) I make one wich consumed 100% CPU ;) (i didn't yet read about events and write a tight loop).

[@XiangWeiHuang]

Java has a great ecosystem with things like Lombok or SpringBoot to solve things, but it gives me a stroke when I need to figure out why Maven just refuse some packages I added. Sometimes it's version difference, sometimes it's that I need to actually use another package that has exact same functionality but under different group thus actually supports Spring. So many moments in Java make you think Jesus why are they making everything meaninglessly complicated

[@EmperorOab]

I was working on a small search engine using KWIC+. We wrote the server side code in Java and had no trouble deploying a website locally with Tomcat. When we migrated to an AWS' ec2 instance, we found out that ec2 instances have a proprietary JDK version that was leagues outdated in comparison to our developing environments. It took me two days to realize that Java was backwards compatible and I could compile the build into a WAR file at the desired version that we needed. The more you learn.

[@KernelPanic0]

As someone who uses Java a lot, I agree with all of this.

[@jomogo4644]

they updated the website it is over

[@nulcow]

I've tried to use Java multiple times but every time there's some kind of weird error with even setting it up in an IDE. The only time I was able to do anything in Java is when I started using Android Studio, which even that rarely works properly.

[@anujchaturvedi5642]

Now this is an exaggeration 🤣🤣🤣

[@BossFlight]

One the things that I like most about Java is It was one of tthe first if not the only tool that was able to realize and work as an actual Software Engineering Development Tool,. I am not saying It is perfect but It is popular, powerful and comprehensive to allow designing and creating robust and scalable average to large size system and applications of all kinds. It was able to group several qualitiies of multip0le software engineering techniques and languages that were scattered across the landscape and package them in a cohesive, invaluable and viable commercial product that can be adopted worldwide.

[@pladimir_vutin]

Tbh multi threading in very nicely done in Java! and the web interface for a simple program is also usable, but I think Java has gone too far in the direction of OOP. it's a cult at this point and companies for some reason love it..., I'm ok with some company using OOP. but at least try to change the f*cker or tweak it so, that OOP won't slow you down. at least leave the dev to make his own decisions

[@Alceste_]

*"scalable" tho.

[@commandertaco1762]

The one thing I genuinely appreciate about Java despite how much faster things like C can run is that error logs tell you EXACTLY what line caused the problem, and includes the path it took to get there from its main thread.

[@Finkelfunk]

But isn't that just a matter of your compiler not being garbage? :|

[@commandertaco1762]

@@Finkelfunk fair enough, I'm inexperienced as a college student, just that the c ides I've worked with didn't do that

[@Finkelfunk]

@@commandertaco1762 No worries. Afaik it usually only depends on your editor that compiles the program. Most modern editors tell you which lines of code triggered issues. And if that isn't the case you can always use logging by hand.

[@Daniel-be1xn]

If what you love is a very descriptive compiler, i invite you to the rust jihad

[@commandertaco1762]

@@Daniel-be1xn what is that?

[@nicmalugin9287]

Question I’ve done a light bit to learn but should I do python Java or c++ I know how pythons recommended but the syntax just doesn’t click right and c++ seems easier

[@GyroCannon]

I worked for 5 years at a company that based their core products in Java eh, beats having to write C++ But also I've never been happier having switched to a new job

[@michalsvihla1403]

Does your new job use Java or are you happier having switched jobs because it doesn't use Java?

[@kaushiks87]

This is not an April fools joke. This video is the result of a developer’s pain

[@brianlaw7491]

I love how this video has more views than the actual Java video, even though it was released 5 months later.

[@CaLiDaRi]

Great video, please do assembly next time.

[@onee]

You don't know how painfully accurate this is, unless you have experience with Java.

[@scavalpha5211]

As a java dev this is very accurate. Luckily springboot and lombok made thing easier for us. I remember when i started and was doing websites with servlets-jsp, it was hellish

[@kimgysen10]

Lmao I've had to do one contract for a section in the company that still uses it to this day with Struts 1 X'D

[@alsoSeeb]

My first programming language was Java, and although I've come to terms with it (after playing with many, many others), this was strangely cathartic.

[@ytmiva2]

Now I work mostly in Kotlin but having used java for about 10 years I totally agree. It felt old the first day I used it.

[@morbiussupportivemother5504]

My school tried to get kids interested in coding by teaching them Java. No wonder nobody at my school is interested in coding.

[@brunomanso9428]

This vid brought me memories about my college days. I was learning "Hello, world" in Java but I was 'in love' with HTML/CSS/JS/PHP.

[@delavago5379]

As a Java developer. I'm not even mad 😂. The language really does show its age

[@pekarna]

Try Kotlin. Java is kind of "long term support" edition, so intentionally not jumping on every hyped feature.

[@melmartinez7002]

Take a look at Java 17.

[@alexandrsoldiernetizen162]

Then you dont know it very well. Since version 8 you get functional programming; lambdas, closures, etc since before that you can do templates and generics like c++, the threading and concurrent programming models are far superior to anything in python, and combine lambdas with streams and you can have a full functional programming model without bothering with OOP if you like.

[@disk38]

@@pekarna The problem is, most projects out there are java and that won't change anytime soon. So you're trapped in a hell with it since it became a standard for some operating systems. You're forced to read java afterall

[@pekarna]

@@alexandrsoldiernetizen162 , still, all this in Java is heavy boilerplate, the APIs are not well thought through and cumbersome, and it is constantly hitting the historic burden. Been there, done that. I am also a fan of Java, but after trying Kotlin, I am reluctant to go back to Java. (Except for generics which are quite complicated in Kotlin)

[@prajjwal1010]

"Life is too short to be covering in Java man" now these words ain't going off my mind any time soon

[@milgrau2233]

This is actually accurate. Everything said is true, and not even exaggerated.