Jay Slater took 20 minutes in shorts!

[@REALHARSH]

This video was meant to be uploaded YESTERDAY but for some reason it took 13 hours to render so Lord knows what happened there. Anyway, better late than never I guess…..not that the trolls will agree 😂😂😂😂

[@colmhauser9532]

The trolls can get stuffed, happy Wednesday to you, but there's something wrong with the colour saturation on your camera - your face is bright red man.

[@MissJasmine11]

The wi ain’t fi-Ing 😂😂😂

[@maxinemcintyre8673]

Have you checked out his last snapchat of him smoking at the air b&b with the blanket on? Check the feet. You can see red nail polish. Was he being held up?

[@BLK2000]

hahaha, i was thinking you were having such fabulous holibobs, that you'd forgotten the days again lol xx

[@BLK2000]

@@maxinemcintyre8673 think thats been debunked as the patten in fabric...

[@marianorris1081]

100% you should always be there for one another...and they weren't 😢

[@tomthompson2309]

Facts. No matter what the mood.

[@rosemarykennedy5430]

@@marianorris1081 Gang members and drug dealers aren’t renowned for being “there for one another”. Even the mother’s behaviour in milking the public for cash indicates social deviance.

[@balke7935]

It’s really fascinating how the collective mood of a huge group of people can change like the tide. All of these passionate amateur cold case theorists who appeared overnight willing to entertain the darkest storylines are not aggressively trying to stifle any discussion about the case. Finding him there doesn’t lessen the mystery in any way whatsoever. There are still huge questions; if he was running in fear of his life, then there are other parties who share the blame and know things.

[@REALHARSH]

100% agree

[@redroseofsummer2979]

Well said balke

[@j_3.16]

I find it fascinating too. Group think. Research has become a dirty word and using your discernment is called being a conspiracy theorist.

[@operationlockstep]

I'm not willing to accept their narrative, just like I will never accept the NB case. If I was to ever go missing....you all have my permission to find out the truth. I'm absolutely baffled how people think we don't care when that is the MAIN reason we do this

[@ChockHolocaust]

I'm sure they are hugely concerned that you are not willing to accept their narrative. I can picture the scene at the Guardia Civil HQ: ' 'Operationlockstep de KZbinr no está dispuesto a aceptar nuestra narrativa. ¿Qué diablos haremos?'

[@PlayMistie4Me]

Questions need to be answered‼ Why did his " friends" leave him alone❓ Why did he have no water or battery in phone❓ Why did he leave with 2 older strangers❓ Why would he have CHOSEN Allegedly to walk such rough terrain ❓ If he had fallen ALL those weeks ago... Then why were there not any birds/vultures circling his body❓ And why is that pain in the @ss ex cop who was on the NB case going on the telly & claiming everyone who has Qs are all friggin idiots. He gets on my last damn nerve ‼

[@therealakkherself1296]

Why does Lucy “know so much?” Why take him to Masca , when he already had a place to stay? Why could’t be there in the House or why did he need to go?

[@therealakkherself1296]

Lucy knows something!

[@therealakkherself1296]

The ex cop, Said the he would find Jay i 3 days!who believed him?

[@stayhappy8213]

My theory only!... to the answers to your questions 1. They didn't leave him. He decided to go with the two lads In their car and snapchatted them telling them why. 2. He needed to leave the a bnb ASAP as he could have taken the watch [ just a theory] from them. No time to do anything. 3. He thought he'd try his luck on getting that watch off them [ just a theory] that the two guys pinched. Told a lie about his mates leaving him. That is why he snapchatted to his mates where he was when in the car not telephoned 4. He thought if he stayed on the road he they would catch up with him [ rented car ] so he decided to walk off the road not realising the terrain, distance etc. 5. The drop is 600 ft. He was so far down you probably wouldn't see any birds if they even noticed he was there. 6. They get on my nerves too. My theory only. I hope my theory is that innocent compared to some. He was just a lad....yes got in to some bad things from what i have read online regarding news but yeah....just a lad and someones son....I mean no disrespect. I just hope the future teens learn from this and realise they need to be alert and sensible on holiday whether that be abroad or at home. Just be careful out there everyone.....And keep your mates close to you. R.I.P JS

[@psychomush]

Don't forget the disturbance at early morning in the area of masca that morning

[@northernstar7162]

Even if the dogs couldn't reach the body they would have caught a scent on the air. Also, how can a body lie in a place like that for 29 days and not be dismantled by wild animals and vultures? Things are still not adding up.

[@katyg3873]

It was broad daylight when he apparently left the air bnb. It wasn’t dark. He could clearly see where he was going. There are multiple shops and bars back down that road. They would have been open or at least people getting them ready. There would have been hikers in the gorge. He would have been able to see where he was walking. Also the dogs would have picked up his scent and tracked it to the cliff. Upon which they would have lost it and started going mental. The handler would then think oh, He’s gone over this cliff.

[@dawndurham2782]

I can't get the question out my head, "fell or pushed?"

[@REALHARSH]

Good question

[@Homesweethome-n9n]

​@Jofoles he was not dumped I think that's pretty clear.

[@dawndurham2782]

@@Jofoles very good point

[@calchedz]

Pushed

[@Naner0633]

Pushed!

[@Kurious-Kat]

I'm Australian Aboriginal i usually tan up straight away, although a couple years back I did get burnt and it was very painful. Ouch❗Slip slop slap Cover up mate 🙌 poor Jay All alone on that mountain stuck down in a ravine. I hope it was instant like they say 🛐✝️ it still leaves questions and hopefully the answers do come to light. RIP Jay Slater 🛐💙 peace to all 🙏 🕊️

[@REALHARSH]

I am keeping out of the sun today

[@AACE73]

​@@REALHARSH Probably a good idea! You might get mistaken for Lucy 😉😂

[@smyffmawzz]

It's very very easy to badly burn in the Canary islands. The warm wind, particularly on the coast is constant and cools the skin whilst it burns . Be carefull . My first trip there I burn my legs so badly they blistered . Least learned . However to this day I see so many bright red people there ! Lol

[@shosho5306]

@@REALHARSHget some cool aloe vera on. It will take the heat out of it. Also yes def keep out the sun. Stay in the shade. Factor 30 at least. You will still tan. 😎🪭Calamine cream or lotion is brilliant but messy.

[@paulbarracksog359]

If baffles me they say body was found with possessions and clothes I no clothes might been ripped off due to falling but said possessions and clothes.

[@andymcnab2.0]

What Qassim and his gang are trying to pull off here, Jay went clubbing in Manchester and ended up at a after party in Leeds wanted to leave as he was hungry, so he headed towards Carlisle as he thought he'd get back to Manchester quicker by climbing up scafell pike. Yeah right we was all born yesterday.

[@Royalty12345]

Good analogy and it makes no sense.

[@kayeb222]

Unless he'd robbed a watch off Paul Massey or Damien Noonan!!

[@andymcnab2.0]

@Royalty12345 The vibe I'm getting Jay never left Manchester he was killed there and thrown down scafell pike. When a person lies once in a statement I'll guarantee they have many other things to hide. Qassim has lied more than 5 times and its blatantly obvious.

[@ashleywilson2072]

To be fair, we attend a lot of Manchester raves in the 90s. We often went nuts and woke up in the strangest places. Just how we got there is beyond me. I once woke up on the hard shoulder of a motorway. Crazy times. God we were stupid

[@Yt81818]

😂😂😂😂

[@margopaton3240]

You’re spot on. They don’t seem to like people who say it like it is these days.

[@REALHARSH]

Absolutely

[@missymoon2831]

🐑❄️

[@margopaton3240]

@@missymoon2831🐑❄️

[@DJ-cb2yv]

Hello, 100% agree, this sad outcome of a young man might have turned out different, had "friends " looked out for him, not left him 😢

[@falcosirrus8620]

If his friends said they wanted to leave because they are tired and he said he wasn't leaving, what are they supposed to do? Do they stay getting even more exhausted and have to wait until Jay gets to decide when everybody goes, or do they go home to their accommodation just 10mins walk? They are still just teenagers having fun getting drunk. His friends should not be blamed in my opinion.

[@pamelabowden3017]

He left them

[@AnnAldridge-v3p]

He was 600feet down in a ravine,I’ve lived near Masca and believe me even residents if island won’t go into mountains

[@stayhappy8213]

He definitely fell. He wanted to get off that road and the reason for that think is something to do with the watch and the two guys from a bnb. He was with them when they pinched the watch off someone outside the clubs and he probably thought....im going with these guys pretend I've lost my mates and pinch this watch. Gets in the car and snapchats to his mates he's in a car and they've just stole a watch....he didn't know that the drive was so far... He leaves abruptly be because he snatched the watch off them when he was moving his car for a resident.... Couldn't wait for a bus definitely not waiting for a lift. Just my theory only.

[@honeybadger9425]

Yeah well he from the UK with hard rock and mud so he probably vastly underestimated that terrain when he set off. I’ve climbed UK mountains for the most part it’s all very solid under foot but out there is a crumbly mess really isn’t it from what I’ve seen from people searching for him anyway

[@eddiemarzella3249]

The road leading out of that area is extremely long and winding you’d probably drive 5km to go 1 km as the crow flies . So maybe he thought he’d try take a short cut …… big mistake as it’s almost impossible to walk in them ravines.. I live in tenerife and trying to walk through that type of ravine is a non starter … But I still have serious doubt about this story !!

[@falcosirrus8620]

Having been in similar situations i can get why people persevere with short cuts. It starts off fine and after a while you realise it wasn't a good idea. Then you have a choice of going back knowing that the way back is difficult, or keep going and maybe the difficult part will end quicker than it is to go back, and at least you are not having to double back. So you go further and find it hasn't ended and are faced with the same choice but now your way back is even further, so you again continue. Alternatively, the route does clear for a while and then gets tough again and you think it will just be tough again before clearing again, so you continue. The further you go the more committed you are and the less appealing it is to double back. Plus, sometimes you are quite enjoying the sense of risk and adventure (as Brad described him initially), your adrenaline is going, or sometimes you can get a bit panicked and make even more irrational choices (as Lucy described him shortly after once cut by the cactus). Also, his body being found at the bottom of an inaccessible ravine does not mean the route from where he fell was inaccessible.

[@Ocdz101]

100 percent agree mate something isn't right

[@Lo77y]

I wonder if they booked that BNB to entice Jay up there, away from civalisation.

[@LoopyLou20000]

@@Lo77yit was booked for 2 hours .. 🤔

[@njfr9389]

something does still not add up, why was he in such a rush and panic that he couldnt take a lift, walk down main road or wait for a bus, brad said jay said no no no when he mentioned go back to bnb, why ?

[@SandraGarcia-lj3bd]

Pregúntale o tortura a sus supuestos amigos .

[@theeyebrowsofcharlesbarkley]

Second mystery B&B guy needs to speak up. Someone went missing hours after you saw them, keping your name out of the news rather than help with the search. Tiny bit suspicious and selfish, same as Ayub.

[@falcosirrus8620]

They spoke to the people that matter and have jurisdiction, the Spanish authorities. Those that have spoke out have been accused of murder, scamming..etc such as Lucy, Brad, Ayub and even Jay's family. Easy to understand why he wouldn't want everyone knowing who he is.

[@theeyebrowsofcharlesbarkley]

@@falcosirrus8620 so, if your family member or mate goes missing you won't search for them or make an appeal for their safety because you might get blasted by media? Priorities, selfish and cowardly. Those with a working moral compass would help in any way they can, damn what others say.

[@falcosirrus8620]

@@theeyebrowsofcharlesbarkley His friends (Lucy and Brad) did make appeals and did search for him and spoke to the police and media. His family also did. Ayub was a friend of a friend and barely knew Jay and did speak to police. The other unknown guy is not his friend or family, but did speak to police. So yes, if he was my friend or family i would have spoken to police, media..etc despite what people say, but i can understand why someone that didn't know Jay very well would have kept out of the press.

[@theeyebrowsofcharlesbarkley]

@@falcosirrus8620 it just screams 'not my problem' which is quite callous, as he was one of the last to see him.

[@dyllfc2278]

They have spoke to him now

[@alisondavies8944]

Mates look out for mates -maybe that’s just too ‘old School’ for some people tho ..I’d never go out with my bestie and not have her back ..We’ve been mates 40 years and it’s always been that way ..

[@Camille_Anderson]

💯🎯👏👏

[@nikkib2143]

He took risks (he would have been bought up with learning STRANGER DANGER at school like all other children in our country) and his two mates should not have left him, they will now have to live with their poor decisions but at least they both live to fight another day. I have, as a younger carefree fool made some very poor decisions on nights out and can see how when you are out having fun and completely hammered that sensible can have gone out the window before you have even set off but noone deserves to lose their life. I would like to send love and courage to Jay Slaters family and friends at this dreadful time ❤ and a big thank you to the people who continued the search for this young man ❤ 😢 x.

[@Royalty12345]

Nice post. It shows how fragile life is

[@Arcticnick]

So most of our old concerns are still unanswered. We can rule out ongoing kidnap and escape from the island by boat or any other method but everything else is still open for debate. Providing of course the remains genuinely belong to Jay. I still want to investigate the mayor.

[@REALHARSH]

Seems so mate

[@californiagrandma]

@@Arcticnick The mayor?

[@Arcticnick]

@@californiagrandma Yes... Román Antonio Martín Cánaves: Summary of Controversies and Relationships: Role as Mayor: Román Antonio Martín Cánaves served as the mayor of El Tanque, Tenerife. His tenure was marked by multiple legal issues, leading to his disqualification from office. Corruption Allegations: He faced significant trouble for corruption during his time as mayor, which contributed to his eventual disqualification. Airbnb Connection: There is confusion and speculation about his involvement with an Airbnb property. Some sources suggest that he managed or owned a BnB listed on Airbnb, which has led to further scrutiny and suspicion about his activities. Relationships: Family Connections: There are mentions of Román being related to an older woman who was involved in some capacity with the Airbnb property. It is suggested that she might be his sister, although the exact nature of their relationship remains unclear. Public Perception: Román is perceived negatively by some members of the public, who view him as deeply involved in corrupt activities. Along with the Jeep, which the Airbnb appears to own and seemed to also appear, identical to the one in the boat marina nighttime CCTV footage at the relevant time of Jay disappearance, along with numerous other discrepancies over the official but ever changing story, I accuse corrupt ex mayor, Román Antonio Martín Cánaves, of criminal collusion and perverting the course of justice and collusion to murder.

[@katrinaevans7872]

@@Arcticnick I think the stolen boat video at the Marina Bottoms right zoom in , looks very suspicious

[@Arcticnick]

@@katrinaevans7872 I've been shouting at everybody for weeks. I totally agree. Role as Mayor: Román Antonio Martín Cánaves served as the mayor of El Tanque, Tenerife. His tenure was marked by multiple legal issues, leading to his disqualification from office. Corruption Allegations: He faced significant trouble for corruption during his time as mayor, which contributed to his eventual disqualification. Airbnb Connection: There is confusion and speculation about his involvement with an Airbnb property. Some sources suggest that he managed or owned a BnB listed on Airbnb, which has led to further scrutiny and suspicion about his activities. Relationships Family Connections: There are mentions of Román being related to an older woman who was involved in some capacity with the Airbnb property. It is suggested that she might be his sister, although the exact nature of their relationship remains unclear. Public Perception: Román is perceived negatively by some members of the public, who view him as deeply involved in corrupt activities. Along with the Jeep, which the Airbnb appears to own and seemed to also appear, identical to the one in the boat marina nighttime CCTV footage at the relevant time of Jay disappearance, along with numerous other discrepancies over the official but ever changing story, I accuse corrupt ex mayor, Román Antonio Martín Cánaves, of criminal collusion and perverting the course of justice and collusion to murder.

[@ScarlettRebekahCarter]

Just started watching your videos. You're fantastic! I'm subscribing 🙂

[@Lilyschild123]

To convenient he gets found when foreign team coming in. I agree with your conclusion of it still could be foul play.

[@Lucy-t6d]

The other team had not arrived when he was found

[@falcosirrus8620]

It has only been 29 days and there have been many things that have happened such as the family flying out, the family start searching, Tik Tokers start searching, Ayub speaking out,search down scaled, Mark Williams Thomas arriving and speaking out, stories of a rolex, stories of a stolen boat...etc. So on any given day that he could have been found people could say 'isn't it convenient or coincidental that he was found within days of the above'.

[@fishyattacksAVFC]

Too

[@tangie777uk]

I love watching your channel, I always end up smiling, you have such a a way with words its a pleasure to watch. Poor Jays mother and family , they must be going through hell. I just dont know what to think, my first thoughts when I saw the footage of where he wa found was how the hell did he get down there but I guess we shall never know the truth

[@REALHARSH]

It’s been a hard case to conclude easily my friend

[@bettyboo1519]

Thanks Harsh for being a decent human, also spending time to share your views with us😍We all need to look out for friends, especially if we are a group, just to make sure a person is safe. In my youth (I'm old arse now) we all done daft things, thinking we are invincible 🙄but I always made sure who I went out with was safe, and we were together, end of nite. Who ever would want this outcome, I'm sure the very thought would destroy, YOU. Try Enjoy rest of your holiday, with your family, or you going be in big trouble😉🥰

[@crisp523]

Started watching you over this J slater thing, (RIP to the lad, sad situation). Your take is level, and yeah it’s a sad thing but I have found you to be the most genuine and pretty amusing to watch. You got the sub and the sun, lobster boy 🤣.

[@TalesofLife80]

The question that remains is. Did he fall or was he pushed ??? Mostly because you don’t go wandering off into the mountains on a come down in the opposite direction to your hotel off the main road with no phone battery or water towards an abandoned beach after checking your maps. Instead of waiting for a bus when you’re at the bus stop. Stinks to high heaven

[@-Gumbo]

Sky news are now putting his last phone ping 1.5km NE of b&b in the 'Parque Rural de Teno'....WTF is that about???

[@TalesofLife80]

@@-Gumbo makes no sense to me pal

[@Royalty12345]

@@-Gumbo. Gumbo…. I’m not a detective so I’m trying to work out what that actually means? Is it a long way from where he was?

[@Storm47000]

⁠​⁠@@-Gumbothat would be correct on a map.

[@drummingtildeath]

So instead of him wandering off somewhere dangerous and falling - which isn't improbable at all - you're asking whether he was spotted walking alone but someone then found him, walked him out to a ravine and pushed him in!? I don't understand how that seems more likely than a young man making poor decisions and paying the price.

[@martawalkowiak773]

Wouldn’t his body be majorly decomposed after 29 days? How could you lift it up? Get finger prints? And determine cause of death the next day?

[@Royalty12345]

Absolutely true

[@REALHARSH]

I’d have expected extremely severe decomposition and wildlife damage

[@Binge420]

@@REALHARSH2014 a climber called victor teni went missing. In Tenerife. Wasn’t found till 2017 the report states his body was in relatively good condition as it had become mummified due to the climate 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ why wasn’t jay mummified ? They said human remains and badly decomposed after 30 days 🤔🤔 but man three year in and mummified n shit. Makes no sense

[@michelledunne8990]

Watching on catch up if the body was skeleton like they first said how’d they get fingerprints 🤷‍♀️ WHY NOT GO FOR D.N.A. 🤷‍♀️

[@REALHARSH]

Great question

[@Royalty12345]

It’s a lie.

[@fishyattacksAVFC]

Who said body was a skeleton? Nobody! Takes longer than a month for a body to become a skeleton 😂😂

[@Bobontt11]

Definitely suspicious ,what about before ,cctv ,leaving club ,banb 2 drug dealers ,lucy and brad ? The rapids now left in hurry ?

[@a.j.b.8658]

Good for you, lad. You keep asking questions. That boy was frightened..

[@LoopyLou20000]

👍🏽💕

[@stefanhinchliffe5318]

If this was my child i would not accept any narrative or hypothesis from any person in so called authority . Those so called mates and drug dealers are hiding the trurh of what happened in my opinion that night .

[@SandraGarcia-lj3bd]

Tienes razón pues entonces vas cara a cara a hablar con los traficantes y supuestos amigos . Seguro que cooperarian porque tú se lo dices y asunto arreglado .

[@Donald909090]

Terrain may have been to dangerous for search dogs? But why did drones not see him? To many questions and no answers.

[@emmsue1053]

I have no idea what happened but an open mind is good.. I have not been to the Tenerife mountains but have gone up hiking in Lanzarote.. There are tiny *very steep volcanic gulleys and hundreds of caves/ deep ravines of many sizes.. They are covered in dense spiky shrubs, not just the odd cactus. Its like nothing I have ever seen before. I can understand Jay not being spotted.. Watch the footage of the chopper lifting him out and look at the terrain. It also gets really windy and sand and volcanic dust swirls around everywhere, hence the dogs maybe not knowing? If people are assuming his body was kept somewhere for weeks (obviously in the open because the coroner will be aware from insect activity) and then disposed of at a later date back by his phone location, alongside clothes that also showed wear and tear from outside? Fair enough but by whom and why move him? Drugs are a factor if he was deliberately harmed, but Jay was hardly a big player over there.. Because of the watch?

[@simster45]

Too dangerous for search dogs, BUT a search team find him?

[@brianhume4743]

You need to get out more son​@@simster45

[@a.s3523]

@@simster45 Using equipment that dogs can't use

[@HappyFridayGuy]

When i was 19 and living in Leicestershire. I went for a weekend in Bolton to see Oasis. Over 20 people in total (friends or friends an all that). Some of us including me had some ACID that gig. Everyone with us knew. We all said if anything happens we all meet at gate I at the end. Got to the end went gate I no one there. I waited ages. Still no one. So got a bus back in to Bolton. Went to a club hoping to see at least one of the lads. No. I end up at a house party in Berry. I got back to the B&B about 1pm the next day. It turned out everyone had a story to tell. Thats because everyone got on it. Thats life when you are young.

[@taviaturner3070]

Sad ending for sure

[@sarahroxy100]

Lucy , Brad and whoever else was there with Jay will have this on their conscience for the rest of their lives . If they stuck together this would never have happened

[@jackiebeattie3084]

The song Jay Slater lost in Tenerife that was released on the 15th June, Jay didn't go missing till the 17th? Sick and evil people.

[@colmhauser9532]

I hadn't heard of this, but I had a quick investigate. The Spotify account was opened on 15th June, the song was uploaded sometime after 4th July and the account name can be changed at any time. It's just a troll, although he does have some musical ability.

[@atherstone55]

It was an instrumental originally

[@LoopyLou20000]

@@atherstone55it was

[@andrerosekriel1127]

It is strange....parents seem very laid back when their children have been in tragic situations and most times lose their lives ... It's mindboggling! Hope you have a great holiday in Spain H with your family...Take a lot of pix and make memories... Take care and be safe...

[@REALHARSH]

Thank you my friend. I absolutely agree with you too!

[@pamelabowden3017]

Shock maybe? None of us have the right to assess if a person is grieving the right way or not.

[@justjulee9135]

There are definitely more unanswered questions than answered ones in this situation.

[@phil1506]

It is stupendously remarkable how all the questions have ground to a halt. So now he’s known passed etc 90% of those same theories and questions are still there and unanswered!

[@claudiacaminiti168]

Harsh, I have scoured the internet for goats used to aid in search and rescue. And in my past career as a Veterinary Technician I have never heard goats being used to search and rescue. With that being said, this is the only remotely close information that I found: Why do mountain goats follow people? Mountain goats also crave the salts found in human sweat and urine. They may follow people to obtain sweat soaked clothing or hiking gear. Male goats may become particularly aggressive during the breeding season, which begins in October and continues through December

[@devilbaby3833]

The things that stand out the most to me personally 1. Why did he go back an hour away with 2 older men when his room was alot closer 2. Why were the steps of that bnb painted shortly after 3. Why would the Spanish police release the last 2 ppl he was seen with especially one who has a history of criminal activity 4. Why would his "friends" just abandon him (remember Lucy saying she had no idea who the 2 guys were yet there was cctv proof of her sat with Ayub clearly knows him) 5. If his body had been laid there all that time why as there no activity with circling birds of prey 6. The rolex based on the messages he sent he absolutely stole that watch could that be why he didn't want to go back to that bnb 7. The picture of Ayub and those other 2 guys standing on those small bollards overlooking the mountains with the caption +1 (think it said something like quack quack1 +1 could be wrong) There's soooooo much about this whole thing that genuinely makes no sense to me by all accounts Jay wasn't an idiot, he had the right state of mind to contact his friends to let them know what was going on and to ask for help pinging his location so to me he would of been in the right state of mind to see taking a "shortcut" through the mountain wouldn't be worth the risk...... My heart really does go out to his family cant imagine how difficult this is for them 😢

[@fishyattacksAVFC]

He sent the message about stealing the Rolex whilst in the car travelling to the Airbnb, so he couldn't have stolen the watch from there.

[@fishyattacksAVFC]

Jay wasn't an idiot? Is that what you think? 🤔

[@katrinaevans7872]

@@devilbaby3833 I don’t think he was that out of his nut either Especially if he stole the watch he would of know what he was doing The MSM have made it look that way None of his friends have said he was

[@margopaton3240]

If they can lie to us about the search being called off, what else are they lying about. I reckon his body was dumped there after they thought the search was off

[@xxbigbadxx7277]

I said the same thing dodg asf init

[@annwooldridge5834]

@@xxbigbadxx7277that's what I thought 🤔

[@falcosirrus8620]

Maybe they have the video tape from the shop up the hill and could see Jay was alone and not followed. Maybe they have other eye witnesses that called in to say they witnessed Jay out on the trails. Maybe they have used the numbers that they got from the B&B guys to check if their phones showed them leave the B&B on the day he went missing. They could have kept a lot of things to themselves in this investigation.

[@LoopyLou20000]

They said they told us all search was off but actually wasn’t they were doing things behind backs. Bs I’ve heard different

[@judithtrigg1694]

​@@LoopyLou20000 they probably had an anonymous tip off.

[@Lillith-z6o]

Jay was dumped down there Sunday night I'm telling ya

[@Royalty12345]

Yes totally agree… the dogs in the village were all barking at 2am

[@angelamurray8392]

The guys had gone home to England so how could they

[@blondefox315]

@@angelamurray8392probably not for long as they work in Tenerife!!

[@blondefox315]

@@Royalty12345I agree as well. And the Civil Guard swoops in just in time to “find him” as the Professional Group was about to land that day!!! The village dogs barking at 2 am is very interesting as well. Imo, there wouldn’t have been so many inconsistencies with the friends stories if he just went missing and fell.

[@Lillith-z6o]

@angelamurray8392 the guys being whom ??? Not talking about his friends

[@maimay8862]

He obviously didn't pass on impact if he took his top off and emptied his pockets 😢 I am horrified that the night after he was missing the dogs all kicked off, and nobody checked it out 😢

[@kathpierce5296]

There are still so many unanswered questions, and if I was Jay's parents I would be asking why did his friends just let him go off with these two older men to such a remote part of the island. If the guy at the AirB&B is telling the truth about offering Jay the opportunity to charge his phone, get some water and why did Jay refuse a lift when he had no idea where he was. If Jay was hung over from booze, drugs etc what made him walk in what is perilous terrain, he could have just turned round when the going got bad, but for some reason he didn't. It just doesn't make sense. Why didn't the sniffer dogs pick up his trail, and why was there no sign of vultures and other birds in that area? Was his body there all that time?

[@muglymugly]

What day did Ayab and the mystery other b&b guy leave Tenerife ? Why did they leg it when their new best friend had gone missing ? Suspicious AF

[@LoopyLou20000]

💯

[@fishyattacksAVFC]

They stayed an extra day from their planned departure date to speak with the police.

[@andywept]

FACT - when you're off your head on "blow" (cocaine), and you're on a paranoid trip, you will literally go anywhere and take crazy risks to evade your imaginary or apparent pursuers ;-)

[@alexandrahindley]

Totally with you on this one. We're never going to know the exact truth. There's too many theories. But I do hope for Jay's sake that he passed straight away and wasn't stuck somewhere in pain. So sad xx

[@kerryzone1]

Where’s that other man who was at the Airbnb and who was he? Ayub said he moved his car and saw Jay outside with his trainers on. That’s when Jay asked about the buses… he started walking & I think Jay went down that hike trail to get away from a car coming after him - maybe?

[@andydnbthomson]

To me, there's nothing really that odd about ending up somewhere random after a rave. In my time, I often ended up in a different town with randoms I'd met. I even found myself coming down in Alecante Airport one Sunday morning, After a Fantazia reunion at Bowlers in Manchester.

[@Royalty12345]

@andydnbthomson… OMG THAT IS THE BEST!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@traceyjones846]

I think his body was placed there couple days before he was found Over the rapids latest video stated he was woken up by so much noise at 2am by animals barking etc in the village the night before Jay was found ?? All stinks poor Jay 😢

[@user-ig4mn6cm5y]

This stinks like the Nicola bulley case

[@SandraGarcia-lj3bd]

A Nicola no la encontró la policía , en este caso si .

[@Robert-vw3od]

You’ve got it 100% right

[@JodieBrown-de4yv]

I am absolutely heartbroken this poor boy and his family id love to except that it was just a tragic accident and just let him rest but honestly something isn't right this case has really upset me he shouldn't have been left everyone involved has played a part in this weather that be criminal or not.... everybody let him go alone .....and please somebody tell me why the hell the shop owner didn't point the right way to jay Wen she knew he was going in the wrong direction 🤬 love to jay and all the respect in the world for his family....let's all remember that they are over there dealing with this alone it's hard enough in England let alone abroad xx

[@Elbowsmum]

😂 you crack me up! Such a typical English bloke. My husband ALWAYS ends up lobster as fk but denies its burn…..always “ah ill be nice and brown by tomorrow!” Yes like a chicken done in an airfryer! Burnt to fk on the outside raw and still bleeding in the middle. Hope you’re having a great holiday Harsh Family x

[@REALHARSH]

This is me perfectly explained. I like the sound of your husband…. Smart man, no pain…no gain!

[@Mikaelson.]

😂 I got badly sunburned once on my shoulders and upper back from snorkeling in the sea for 3+ hours when a teenager. Should’ve listened to my mum and wore a tshirt to snorkel in. But no, not me. Instead, I put low protection Hawaiian tropic oil on, because I wanted a suntan quicker and it smelt of coconut 🙈. I got so burned. The blisters were bad, and so itchy. Local doctor advised to lie down in hotel room and smother the area in natural yoghurt... reapplying it every hour. Surprisingly it did help. Those blisters later turned into freckles. Learnt my lesson from that experience though 😬😂✌🏻

[@cherylbourgeois9397]

😂😂😂😂😂 Elbowsmum I share your laugh. Men, what would we do without them 😅

[@Elbowsmum]

@@Mikaelson. identical story to me buddy! We always know better dont we as kids! Had multiple hospital trips to cut open the blisters and dressings. I now have a perfect outline of my entire swimsuit in freckles on my body. I was 10 when it happened now 48…literal visual evidence of irrepairable skin damage - never been able to tan since. Factor 50 in the sun and 30 on my face even in the dead of winter

[@Lololeelee]

Happened to me once….

[@2023D_d]

If he has been there all this time why weren't;t there any birds flying around>

[@davvo1234]

If there was someone that pushed jay off the cliff then surely there would be footprints of a second/third person..unless contamination of searchers have already mixed their boots in...what id like to know,is if ayub and his two mates were standing on the pic was near to were jay was said to have gone off road..

[@natfrog]

they already stated that the ravine was not throughly searched before. the search team did say he would not have been able to get out himself. they had to use rope access and even airlift his body. I’m sure they have reasons for why they say he likely died from a fall. yet people are still being armchair detectives.

[@LoopyLou20000]

But it wasn’t searched properly like you say .. should have been. In the area, carry on your search

[@natfrog]

@@LoopyLou20000 they had a lot of those areas to search. not exactly something you can do in a couple of days.

[@thehollyberry7975]

Yes I’d been thinking about this too. I sincerely hope the report is correct and that he did not suffer.

[@BillsOldandNewGaming]

There has to be more to this than an accident. Why would you not stick to the Road? Why travel all that distance to just crash out? Why not get a drink from the place you stayed at as they seemed very hospitable? Why not ask to charge your phone overnight? I hope there is more of an investigation.

[@Clevergirl2006]

Remember the 3 billy goats gruff crossing the bridge? They were trolled 😂😂

[@danhall3200]

Can it not just be left now please. As an experienced hiker/climber/mountaineer i have been involved in several searches. And, It was always (unfortunately) pretty obvious to me what had happened. Finding a body in terrain like that is incredibly technical and difficult. They are rarely in the open and visible, even from a few metres away, and if a fall is involved, they usually bring down loose soil, rocks, and foliage with them, covering their remains. It can take a day to cover less than a football field. It can take days to get in and out of 1 ravine. Sadly, many are never found or are found but classed as not retrievable, so remain on the mountains where they passed. Finally, him being further away makes sense if you think logically. He's not going to have made his last call and then died straight away, it could have been an hour, 2, 3 hours after the call that he fell or slipped and in that time he would have been walking.

[@pamelabowden3017]

The voice of sense

[@harrietyounger6118]

I think the police may have had a rough idea where he was because of the dogs but weren't able to reach his body. Perhaps it was partially covered.

[@sandrawright7766]

I can’t help but wonder why no one spotted the helicopters! They say they carried on a discreet search to avoid people going there but they also had to air lift the searchers out because it can’t be climbed out of…so in a relatively small area they continued a DISCREET search being air lifted out but no one noticed or even heard the helicopters. Yet it still took a week!!! What about the video of a disturbance in the area the night before the discovery that set off all the goats and dogs in the early hours? And stranger still the discovery came the day after it was reported that Jays mum announced they had organised specialist mountaineering searchers from the Netherlands. In the defence of all the people speculating the inaccuracies of the events and with no disrespect meant in any way to Jays mum, as I can’t imagine how his poor family must be coping right now. I feel it all started when she said she thought someone had taken him, then he’d had gone with two strangers… just saying .

[@Justalking-gg9di]

If my friend is lost and I know his location. My a$$ would have been in a taxi asap to get my lost friend. Brad/Lucy you abandoned your friend when he needed either of you to rescue him!

[@Royalty12345]

We don’t know… Lucy might have been with him.

[@falcosirrus8620]

Lucy contacted the authorities to alert them to him being lost on the mountain. She had told him that if he is ever going to listen to her he needs to go back to the B&B or stay where he was and wait for help. She then went to the B&B to look for him because she had said he should go there before his phone cut off. She also searched for him describing being out there at night and how cold it is up there. She did not abandon him. It's unknown exactly what Brad did.

[@Justalking-gg9di]

@@falcosirrus8620 Did jay not contact Lucy while at her slumber in the morning. It’s not dark in Tenerife at early morning. How was it dark when Lucy was searching?

[@falcosirrus8620]

@@Justalking-gg9di It was my understanding she was searching at night because she mentioned the temperature when she was searching was close to 1c.

[@ashleywilson2072]

Local people have expressed surprise at the distance Jay travelled through the ravine. Also his body could only be accessed by specialist rock climbers. The body could not be located using dogs. Jay could view the sea from above the ravine. He assumed he was going home.

[@ThisisRubbishlo]

Yes he was up there maybe he had seen a coastal town and thought he could walk down to it 😕 all very sad

[@peacepoppy3809]

My understanding is they dropped the climbers in via helicopter. Dogs may have picked up a scent in as much as they could given the terai and that may have directed the drops

[@alexandrahindley]

I don't think we all watch our friends on a night out. I just don't know with this one but his friends will be feeling it too. xx

[@Oshunsprite]

Exactly! "Why didn't the sniffer dogs find him?"

[@Gimenez528Hz]

Needs an independent inquiry and pathologist

[@susanlongyear1229]

Totally agree with you...

[@Gimenez528Hz]

@susanlongyear1229 That family need some good advice

[@AlfieLTaylor]

Hi mate amazing video as always, I enjoy listening to you and the facts and results you’re always spot on. Also your volume on your mic was a bit up and down on this video had to keep adjusting my tv to hear you well. But apart from that your videos are brilliant and love the upload’s everyday. 😊😊😊

[@soulful3300]

Polytrauma dude. That’s why they say it was likely to be instant. If you fall from a height and break multiple bones, damage organs, hit head etc the likelihood is it’s instant. Have you seen the terrain? It’s crazy. As an experienced hiker, it taking so long doesn’t surprise me. What surprises me is that he went down the route in the first place - definitely running from something given the other information. I hope they can figure that part out. Clutching at straws with Nicola bully though. The police didn’t find her, it was a walker who turned out to be a psychic coincidentally. Well documented, look it up.

[@paulinesmith706]

I’m intrigued as to where the drain goes that was in the 3 monkeys video of guys standing on road side blocks

[@phantom_menace]

What I do not understand is why the British police, or the government not got involved. Jay is a British civilian. Nothing adds up. The Spanish police are also being very secretive, and in my opinion a bit shady.

[@xxbigbadxx7277]

What kid is goin to refuse a lift home after all nite bender on watever he on nah that kid aint gonna walk no were

[@fishyattacksAVFC]

He didn't refuse a lift back. They said they'd take him back, but then they had an argument so the offer of a lift was withdrawn. That's what I've read anyway.

[@annmozdzer1258]

And also if those guys were"clubbing" they would surely have been uti ?

[@fishyattacksAVFC]

@annmozdzer1258 Apparently those guys hadn't been clubbing. They were just hanging around outside the club which I find strange.

[@simster45]

Ok folks let's get real here The Spanish police said they I.D jay by his "Finger Prints" 1. How did the Spanish get Jay's prints previously to compare ? 2. How is it possible to get "Finger prints" from a skeleton? 3. You have just questioned number 2? 4. A human will be a skeleton after 28 days decomposition, especially outdoors. 5. why was there NEVER any Scavengers in that area? The cadaver will be in a putrid state after 5 days, the stench would be gut wrenching.

[@angelablaney4575]

Finger prints from the Tom Hilton case.

[@annmozdzer1258]

Not a skeleton,more like very dry, "mummified" looking,he would have had some preservation in a ravine,they would be able to tell(possibly) if he had died there or been placed there after(doubtful)

[@lucylemoignan4538]

"Cadaver dogs specialize in detecting decomposing flesh. A trained cadaver dog is 95 percent effective at picking up the scents of human decomposition, including bodies that are buried up to 15 feet deep." - The spruce pets. And I want to hear what state his body was in, i.e Had animals got to it, as nature does. It would explain how long he's been there

[@pamelabowden3017]

Did you see the Gabby Petito case? The dogs completely missed the scent of her boyfriend because he was immersed in water.

[@tayron27]

According to medical records a body change to bones within 9 days in the heat. If this is rhe case, how did they manage to get fingerprints? I don't get it. I'm still gutted for the young lad but I feel the truth needs to be told for him and his family.

[@JanetBrown-px2jn]

He was in a desert,and bodies can mummify,especially if the soil has the right PH,perhaps his hands had mummified.

[@pamelabowden3017]

If he was deep in a ravine, chances are it would be as cold as a cave due to lack of sunlight. Some of those ravines are in complete darkness

[@Princ3ssyazyaz]

Wait so the search was still on why did the mum play along with that and say she was paying people to come out and look if the authorities were still paying and looking for him this all stinks to high heaven all this time he was found where his phone last pinged ?

[@Princ3ssyazyaz]

@Bear20-k5l still come on wtf is going on here you mean to tell me he’s been there this whole time? No I’m not buying that for second no one found him all those people the helicopters and the dogs not one picked up his sent and he’s been decaying this whole time

[@Princ3ssyazyaz]

@Bear20-k5l I agree with u and I don’t think he was there at all till the night before he was found and when they started howling animals can sense and feel things that’s why they were so unsettled and upset I hope the truth comes out

[@ronmccullough931]

The likely reason he took irrational decisions is that he was still pissed/high.

[@REALHARSH]

Possibly yes mate

[@dawndurham2782]

Or fearing for his life

[@sylartruecrime]

​@@dawndurham2782absolutely no evidence he was in fear of his life whilst we do have evidence he was drunk and/or on drugs.

[@judithtrigg1694]

I've been both, but still had lucid moments when in dangerous position you have automatic reflexes.

[@libelle8124]

I had to laugh about the 'specialised search goats' 🙂 Gave me flash backs to a time when our son was a little boy and wanted a pet. We thought he'd say cat, dog, hamster, bunny or budgy, but no... our son wanted an Ibex 🤣 and not only that, but back then we lived in Germany, close to the Dutch border, which is an area that is about a hilly as a snooker table 🤣

[@REALHARSH]

😂😂😂

[@irenemcc1467]

Hi there from South Africa - I've been following you all along; like your way of looking at things and saying it like it is. Enjoy your holiday and mind the *harsh* sun!

[@REALHARSH]

Thank you very much

[@josephrigby8965]

your spot on mate keep up the good work i will keep on wacthing

[@catyatkinson8793]

You in point. But stay out the sun Harsh❤

[@MysteryyMannn]

Well said! Great content . it doesn't add up.. and i strongly believe he was placed there later because of the fact the whole village was interrupted just hours before jay was found 😢 and he would of attracted attention from the scent and the dogs .. it doesnt sit right... I hope the truth comes out

[@diegestive4167]

The deep ravine is a bit of clue why the dogs couldnt find him unless theyre the abseiling variety.

[@justineajsmith7709]

Airtags or you can use very small GPS bracelet ( often used for pets) should be standard now...when you go to crowed events/ travelling or your kids or elderly parents go somewhere on their own. U can track your group

[@jeannelaurente9378]

Real feel here in very South Louisiana is 100°.... We have been up to 106 last week Takes your breath away! Humidity is horrendous

[@anonymouscyclist1233]

Thinking back to being 19 or so, I get the being separated from your friends and going off with acquaintance if you a bit worse for wear. I also know how people can wind you up, if Jay had done something like steal a watch of even just offend someone that wouldn't take kindly to that, then the guys he was with started saying Jay was in trouble and people would be after him or coming there for him, he'd be scared even if it wasn't true how was he to know? And Jay knows how brutal it can be when a gang attacks. Just some thoughts.

[@ladybobbi7678]

Jay did not fall and anyone who believes he did clearly lives a sheltered life!!!

[@estelledossantos5661]

And you should go and see a shrink..!😑

[@Royalty12345]

I don’t believe he fell. And I think I’m sane and don’t need to see a shrink.

[@SandraGarcia-lj3bd]

Necesitáis ver el terreno que no es vuestra Inglaterra lisa y para abuelos . Si de paso podéis ver a un siquiatra mejor .

[@harrietyounger6118]

Have you ever lost your keys checked every pocket multiple times to find them in one of those pockets?

[@REALHARSH]

I have indeed

[@catherinebrennan8133]

@REALHARSH yeah lost a key with keyring holder few months ago and found them by chance where I didn't think of looking under a basket in a shed was glad found them so maybe they just missed a spot in those mountains makes you wounder

[@danhammer1278]

@@harrietyounger6118 for 29 days?

[@glenyshanlon5112]

I agree with you 💯 so many things don't add up why did the dogs not pick up a sent 🤔 unless they did and that's how they eventually found jay but they were keeping it to themselves until they were able to get where he had fallen. Questions need answering.

[@SandraGarcia-lj3bd]

Contestalas tu , baja con material de escalada . De paso habla con los amigos y traficantes que estarán muy dispuestos a ayudarte .

[@thealchemist7871]

Also heard the day b4 he was found, in that area he was found, at night the dogs in the local area were barking like crazy. I can't get out my head he was put there. Isn't the 1st time I've heard authorities being paid off by local drug rackets. My opinion

[@someonesgoat]

His decision making was so bad. Maybe he might have bought some drugs off Qasim for the walk, I did it many times at that age in the early morning to carry on from the night before. This may have clouded his judgement and made him far too confident thinking he could navigate that terrain.

[@Bekzee]

Part of me is starting to think he was maybe just a bit of a daftie. Thinking "well, my hotel is on the coast, if I just walk down to the coast/beach and follow it along I'll eventually get to the hotel" without realising that it's not just all beach. And if he's half cut on a ❄️ comedown he's not going to be thinking straight.

[@pattypetty9615]

Real questions still! 1-why was he in such a hurry to distance himself from these two guy's? 2-when he went to this cafe did he eat or drink anything? 3- why was he in such a rush to try to navigate such a treturous turain in order to avoid someone or something!

[@WarrickHunt]

There’s fucking no way he went through that in a pair of shorts I walked through a corn field yesterday in my shorts. It fucking knacker and scratched my legs all over

[@paulwilson3154]

I don't mean the scottish football team 🤣🤣🤣

[@beckypetersen8554]

Good questions, good points Harsh. Too much sketchy sounding things there.

[@harrietyounger6118]

I am usually in agreement with you but I think you are possibly over thinking this situation. The details were a recipe for disaster. Young man on his own, off his head, dehydrated with no battery traveling by foot somewhere he doesn't know and in treacherous terrain. There could be more to it but I think there is enough there to explain how he met his demise. As for the police taking a month to find him he may have fallen out of sight been covered in debris. The fall could explain him also having some clothes not on his body because it would have been torn off as he tumbled. Personally until we know more I find it likely that answers given thus far are correct.

[@REALHARSH]

It’s more the why for me. Why would he place himself in this situation. We need tox results I believe

[@harrietyounger6118]

@@REALHARSH I agree but drugs and dehydration would effect your decision making abilities.