Is The BMW M140i A Modern Classic, Or Another Overrated German? (Hot Hatchback Talk)

[@inflatable2]

Of course this will be a classic.. Brilliant 3.0L 6-inline turbo engine, RWD, manual option, all in a practical hatchback shape.. If you have one, hang on to it!

[@MD-uu5nt]

Pretty crappy and dangerous handling dynamics according to most owners though. The amount of these being written off is insane.

[@cirrus393]

@@MD-uu5nt It's a magnet for young first-time RWD drivers. It's easy to map and modify. The handling can be sorted with a few mods and if you chuck a bit of money at it for an LSD it's sorted

[@Snowy-666]

@@MD-uu5nt As someone who owns one, I would say they get a worse rep than is deserved. Clarkson's spin in the M135i on Top Gear years ago was due to his going flat out in torrential rain having already burned the tyres to a crisp wagging the tail around for example. The traction and stability controls do a good job too, especially in comfort when it is nigh on impossible to get out of shape. Of course, you can go into sport+ and then switch the aids all the way off - and if you do so you are in a 340hp car that drives from the rear, so getting into trouble is always going to be available. From my experiences with it over the last 3 years, as an enthusiastic driver but not the youngest, I can say that it gives me plenty of smiles with the hammer down, nice dynamics and bizarrely will do 40mpg on sedate motorway cruises. Best to find one with the adaptive dampers if you can, they make the handling so much better.

[@neil5242]

@@MD-uu5nt nonsense. RWD cars have to be driven differently. Requires skill. Had mine 6 years now. No near misses.

[@studavies6885]

The handling isn't to bad as long as you respect the power in the car , in the wet its not practical to drive in sport plus keep that for the dry and you will definitely enjoy this car😁

[@jimmyhallatt]

Definitely a future classic. Rwd & straight six turbo engine. More than likely, no other hatchback in the future with be like this car

[@Mexxx65]

BMW have consistently shoved their latest 6 cylinder engines into their smaller car models .. I for one don't see this ever changing

[@harry-io9fz]

Mac Sixtyfive if idiots like Greata have there way, it will be the last we see

[@kaboom555]

@@Mexxx65 That's because every single BMW small car before the 2 series Active Tourer were longitudal engine platforms, and hence you could fit the long l6 lumps. The new ones are essentially minis, so transverse engines. There is just no physical way you can fit a 6 cylinder engine with a tramsmission dangling off the end in the width of the car, and there is no way you can mount it longitudanlly because that would require, in essence, the development of a completely new chassis. It's just never going to happen. This is, without a doubt, the very last rear wheel drive hot hatch ever made. Hence why I just bought one.

[@Mexxx65]

@@kaboom555 Wouldn't start counting my chickens yet..BMW could stuff a transverse V6 turbo in their "sportier" new FWD models, and have it AWD before you can say ..

[@kaboom555]

@@Mexxx65 they don't have a v6 and the certainly don't have any reason to spend billions developing one at this point... At least not until the 3 and 5 series platforms become transverse too. Honestly, for me, at that point there is absolutely no reason to buy a BMW anymore. There is no reason to buy a 1-series anymore.

[@Zwank36]

I bought one, 3 months later dad bought one if that tells u anything.

[@Mexxx65]

All I need to hear Zwan

[@memudd]

It tells me you and your dad own 140s lol

[@eyesomee]

Ben Binks won’t be surprised if he thought for himself

[@Uffemedunderlivet]

Should it be rear or xdrive? Which is to prefer?

[@Danbutch24]

@@Uffemedunderlivet I have an 2014 M135i which is functionally identical and RWD all the way.

[@willg94450]

I've owned two M140i's, and they're superb. More torque than the pre-Comp M2's, and more usable as a daily. Not needing a daily anymore, I swapped my last one for a 2006 E46 M3. The point and shoot capability of the M140 far exceeds the M3's, but get the E46 on the right road, and it'll deliver you a far more connected and visceral experience. In years to come I'd love to have both in the garage! Thanks for the video JayEmm.

[@dominicrusho]

Downsizing sucks. I remember when the 1 Series had a normally aspirated V12 under the bonnet. Screw you BMW

[@juskillz5229]

dominicrusho huh

[@DjNikGnashers]

LOL :-D

[@mihailhidler5400]

😄😄😄

[@1001speedster]

Well it did have a 3.0 na inline 6 once... Amazing car!

[@BigUriel]

@@1001speedster It was a good car but compared to this it was almost like it was missing two cylinders. These BMW turbo sixes pull like a V8. In fact the old 130i isn't really faster than an F20 125i which has a 4 pot.

[@ashleymerritt9461]

Will totally become a classic, especially considering what bimmer have done to the new 1 series!

[@Dan23_7]

Ashley Merritt BMW focus ST 😂 Its awful and FWD too

[@ashleymerritt9461]

@@Dan23_7 haha init! Although to be fair I don't wanna cuss out FWD too bad (I've got a Golf GTI haha) but yeah the ST is full chav mode and the main thing that bothers me about the new 1 is that its supposed to be RWD! They've fucked it for no good reason! If bmw want a car for those that vape, they shoulda designed it that way from the start haha

[@Dan23_7]

Ashley Merritt "those that vape" haha 😂 You mean youngsters who can't handle. RWD ? 😂

[@Ramjet164]

Really? It’s fugly

[@BrandinooWOW]

I can see it, they're very good cars, likely the best small car BMW are going to make for a very long time

[@PaulTC97]

The 2005 BMW 130i hatchback is also a future classic, RWD 265hp 3000cc 6 cylinders

[@barryjones5622]

Great car that true wolf in sheeps clothing I had an 06 m sport 5 door one in silver manual and drove it to Germany for 911 50th anniversary them bmw world hq and onto Italy and then back to uk never missed beat sold it when home and regret it ever since

[@tracktimevideos5164]

Having owned one these are also overrated. Cracked the head on mine too, uneconomical to repair. Average car.

[@peterkukolik8402]

no turbo...no hesitation

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@peterkukolik8402 Some would say no turbo = no power ? I wouldn't, but you can see why your comments could be taken the wrong way. Have you driven an M140i ? Seriously, there is literally no turbo lag, it's unreal. Mines tuned to 410bhp and the power & torque curves are identical to the stock map, it pulls instantly from very low revs. I honestly don't know how they did it, it defies the laws of physics.

[@peterkukolik8402]

@@DjNikGnashers Chill mate, I own one M140i myself. I am thinking about stage 1 next year after my warranty expires.

[@ppzzeedd]

No one gonna make a 6 cylinders not to mention RWD in this class anymore. So this is the last of its kind!! Instant classic!!

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

Old 1-series was underrated, new 1-series, A3 and A-class are overrated.

[@Raven16691]

I wasn't underrated, apart from driving pleasure it just wasn't a good allround car. And the A3 definitely isn't overrated.

[@AlfredTheGreatKingOfWessex]

@@Raven16691 No. The 1 series was definitely underrated, due to the fact that 95% of owners dont know how to turn off traction control and counter an oversteer.

[@f4tpie]

A mate of mine has a 2014 A3 1.4tfsi (150ps) and it’s great, picks up well and returns good economy and is generally a nice place to sit. Another mate has an A class and it’s good in every respect but just not quite as good. Would love to sit in a 1 series but can’t give an opinion until I do (although I can confirm I like the look!)

[@harrirhys-jones4965]

Great video. Worth noting to anyone looking into buying one of these, they make way more than 335/340hp quoted as standard. I bought mine in 2018, had it on a dyno last year making 369hp and I haven’t touched it. There are other videos on here where there making circa 360-370hp.

[@genemorgan6033]

IMHO any small car that is over engined has an immediate appeal to enthusiasts. The 1M40 ticks a lot of box's and is going to be a purchase in the next 3 months.

[@robbanjac5553]

Absolutely these are gonna be an "enthusiast on a budget's" dream in the years to come although even out of the box they are a phenomenal package for the price along with the m135i it replaced. For me it raises the question of how much car is too much car as it is one thing looking on paper but another thing driving/owning and frankly they tick every box you could reasonably expect. It's a nice luxury useable daily with the drivetrain out of what would have been considered a high end sports car not so long ago. They have their flaws but so does every car. Having been out for a fast dry lap on the ring in a standard one I can confirm they grip really well and are predictable at the limit. Prices may be suppressed slightly by the full fat M cars but if that's a problem you're buying it for the wrong reasons imo

[@diaryofanafrohairtransplan3364]

Was it a manual you went out on track with

[@robbanjac5553]

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[@hl236]

I bought mine last year and perfected it by fitting and LSD, Birds Suspension and an underbody brace. It’s the ultimate B road and breaths beautifully over bumpy road. I love it!

[@justingreaves8920]

Bought one last March and love it completely. That engine is just an absolute gem. No way I’m getting rid of it, it’s a keeper…

[@bambychoi9366]

It’ll be a cult classic from our generation in the same way that the XR2i or MK2 Golf GTi is and was. I don’t think they’ll ever be worth big money or exceed their original list price, but I think they’ll always be desirable and in the long term, hold their value well - possibly more so than their competitors from the same era and may even exceed the prices of the new M135 on the used market place over time. It’ll also be one of those cars which will be hard to find one which hasn’t been in an accident or unmolested too. I personally jumped from a 2018 M140i to a new M2 Comp have have to say, there’s lots I miss about the M140i - the torque, sound, usability of the ZF and comfort. But it really is night and day when you compare the “M-Lites” to a full fat “M” - when you test them back to back, you realise the M140i is a bit of a Frankenstein parts bin special. Albeit a rather tasty one.

[@vollcare4076]

Bamby Choi totally agree with you about the M140 points. Adding aN LSD and a proper suspension (KW V3 eg) will cure the most weak points and the M140 is getting probably the best compromise between a comfy daily and a very powerful and enjoyable sports car!

[@jeromezone]

This comment is underrated! I have an M140i which I garage and don’t drive hard. It will never be as worth more than it is now, but like the XR3i’s of the 80’s it will be a “nice to see” car, rather than a valuable car.

[@dungareesareforfools]

"...Frankenstein parts bin special" - this bit really caught my attention, because I've thought for a while about the parallels between these cars and the 2.8 / 3.0 Ford Capris (the Capri being exactly that). They're even kind of a similar shape! Yes, they will absolutely be classics.

[@krbstudios7085]

Reminds me of how much the 535d had a cult following and somewhat the 335i

[@carl9184]

Have to agree with everything you say. I came from a 240i to the M2C. In some ways BMW got it right for folk like you and I,because we made the jump into the full M range. The 240i for me was more of a daily.

[@spainter1985]

These are utterly superb! If it's your only car it pretty much does everything!

[@andy00grant]

I'll agree in a very biased fashion.

[@samcourt6228]

spainter1985 I’d agree with that too. Mine will be a tough little car to replace.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Great video mate! The original 2012/13 M135i will definitely be a modern classic in my opinion, such a game changer back then! Hopefully see you soon buddy!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Fingers crossed we get let out soon Joe!

[@JoeAchilles1]

@RichJW Great to hear Rich, I hope you're well mate ❤️

[@JoeAchilles1]

@RichJW great to hear, and yeah let's hope this is all over soon.... 👌

[@Holdeenio]

I had a M140i for a year and it was, by far, my favourite engine. From my knowledge this was the first car launched with the B58 lump which is now in everything including the new supra. the S58 is a slightly tweaked version and this is in many of the new M cars... M3, X3M etc. Insurance and tax on the M140i in the UK is very attainable so for those without infinite pockets, getting this model is a very good way to get such insane performance. I live in the south east of england and rarely ever see another M140i; unlike say the Golf R, which every other "car guy" owns.

[@chungushumongous94]

Samuel Holden I agree. I had one for a year and deeply miss it. I see Golf R’s and Focus ST’s everywhere, however a 135/140 is a much rarer site. I’m looking at getting another 140, my old one was the N55 so I think it’s only right I sample both engines 😁

[@visionist7]

Here in Italy they're very expensive

[@1970boggy]

Best normal car we’ve ever owned. Our current M140i (2018) is simply amazing! 35mpg - 40mpg on the motorway, quicker in the real world than almost anything, we’ll made, decent handling and it does the shopping/ Weekends away. Someone will have to pay over the odds to get ours. Ours is totally standard, low mileage and it’s my wives. Cannot tell you how good it is!

[@1970boggy]

RichJW Yup, ours is a White Shadow Edition. It’s quicker than my previous 997 911 C2. Heard that BMW are actually working on replacing the M135i I.e. the current model with a replacement as it’s a complete flop. No ones buying the M135i

[@1970boggy]

RichJW Faster hands down on the road, track I’m not 100% certain

[@visionist7]

Make sure you re-register it in your name. Why should the wife get to say it's hers lol

[@Zwank36]

Motorway and city running I was getting 23mpg (no where near your 35!) and then I chipped it and I'm getting 19mpg. Thankfully I learnt not to care about petrol with my cammed V8 station wagon that was doing 11mpg. 2019 Finale Edition btw.

[@1970boggy]

RichJW And you sir

[@danielthomas2621]

Never been a bimmer guy, I watch cos the journalism/ review is the best, i always expect excellent content and I'm never disappointed, cheers James...

[@88tmilko]

Great car! Love a 6 cylinder hot hatch! I own a Mk5 R32 which is nowhere near as fast and looks very subtle. The noise never fails to tickle my soul especially with sports manifolds and sports cats mated to the standard cat back. Great videos as always keep them coming!

[@robertebob3596]

I am a M135i of 2013 vintage owner but have to say i love the R32 , i think the 135/140s in the years to come will be similar to the R32 in desirability terms. Just my opinion i have no evidence to back that up :)

[@88tmilko]

Robert Sturgess I think your correct sir, especially now 4 cylinders is the new blueprint. I owned a tuned 2.0tfsi and loved it but comes nowhere near the character I get from the R32.

[@RSTurbo50]

I owned a mk5 R32. Lovely motor with a great sounding engine. Sadly I had a number of issues with mine so ended up getting rid but a car that will go on in the history books im sure

[@julianadams2206]

Whilst I am undoubtedly biased as I have owned a Motec Performance modified M 135i manual for 5 years. I am certain that these will be regarded as a classic in the future. There will never be another rear wheel drive 6 cylinder super hatch in this new age of engine downsizing and (future) electrification of cars. It is also much more practical and less ostentatious than its M3 and M4 cousins. Maybe it is the (Ford) Capri equivalent for the current generation.

[@henryhealy]

I think it'll absolutely go down as a future classic, if it hasn't already become one. While many it's not the best looking hatch, I think the LCI F20 is one of the best looking hatches that was on sale. RWD, 3 litre straight six, 335hp from stock, optional manual gearbox, we'll never see those things again in one package.

[@onetyrefire9722]

I’ve had a M135i, and currently have an M140i. I’d say the difference between the two in terms of power delivery is quite different, the m140i has more torque more of the time, but the outright performance of the two isn’t as large as most would have you believe, in gear performance is properly quick in either car, the m140i might pull a car length over a 1/4 mile. With regards to what I think to them, I honestly cannot think of a car this side of an M3 that I’d swap it for, the performance (admittedly mostly straight line related) is pretty special, I’ve had run ins with some of the vag all wheel drive offerings at the traffic light GP, in the dry they can’t launch much quicker than I can and the outright pace of the m140i means your passing them before leaving 3rd gear, and pulling away quite quickly. The car was priced to compete with the golf R, and Audi S3, however performance was more in line with the RS3 and a45 AMG. It’s unique in its configuration, straight 6 driving rear wheels (mostly one wheel in the wet) and has bags of character. With this in mind, I’d say yes it could be a future classic. Mines a keeper, I’ve done some chassis mods and it’s changed the car quite dramatically, and lsd is on the cards soon.

[@tracktimevideos5164]

As you say a lot of mods will likely make the car much better. Out of the box as standard they are a pudding of a car with a nice engine. The M2 will become the classic.

[@onetyrefire9722]

Track Time Videos absolutely, but isn’t that the case for any car? I certainly would not call it a pudding, it is pretty good up to 8/10ths just gets itself a bit out of shape pushed past this. It’s mainly spring and dampers that are the issue. Bmw deliberately held the chassis back so it didn’t step on the toes of the m2/3/4.. we’re not talking lots of mods.

[@tracktimevideos5164]

@@onetyrefire9722 not the same for any performance car at all. Focus RS, Megane RS, i30N, Golf GTI, M2 and others feel stiffer, more planted, sharper and far more sporty out the box as have dozens of other cars i recent times. The M140i feels like a 118d with a big engine shoehorned in and nothing done to address its ordinary handling which I assume is what you have sorted on yours.

[@onetyrefire9722]

Track Time Videos I understand what your saying, and to an extent agree. I will say the difference between a normal 1 series and am m135i or m140i is quite different though. They have different steering systems, different suspension, knuckles and geometry for starters. I had the displeasure of a 118d for a week while bmw made a mess of fixing my m135i and the difference excluding the engine was quite dramatic. The 118d felt like a small hatchback, light steering, nimble more like a city car. The m135i felt like I had just got back into a 3 series in the way it drives. I do really agree it is not as sharp as it’s rivals and does require a few mods to get it to that point but I don’t think it’s the pudding a lot make out. I went from a mini r56 jcw to the m135i and at no point did i feel short changed in the handling department and think this is awful.

[@carmad1287]

@@tracktimevideos5164 Oh my god you are on every m140i video commenting how bad they are and bigging up your own 'focus rs', get a fucking life for crying out loud, got a right chip on your shoulder.

[@robicool]

Just bought one to replace of a Golf R 7.5 ,and I think the 140 is in a different league in terms of quality and it's huge amount of low down torque,and smooth power delivery.A future classic for sure,this one is a keeper.

[@stuartivins928]

Have a May 2018 model.Manual. It’s done about 3,800km. Already GOAT listed in our house. Sure to be a classic in years to come. Will it appreciate? Don’t care. Not For Sale. Thanks for reviewing and keep them coming. 👍

[@matts-motors1892]

I'd say so. Better question would be... Is the m135i/m235i - m140/m240i all the perfomance car you need? I own a 2016 m235i. Brilliant car.

[@nellyjon423]

JR1892_ tv Agreed 💯

[@porschelover04]

I have a 17' M240i. Absolutely all the performance you need, and if it's not, you can get an LSD and chip tune for under $3K

[@jaime77W]

First bought an ND MX-5 then got a manual M140i. Both owned at once. Both from factory and completely stock. Prejudices aside and being as honest as one could be, I considered the BMW to be a fantastic car but it never gave me the fun factor the MX-5 does. The engine is just plethoric, it honestly feels like it could drive a fully laden truck, its balance is astonishing, it produces a beautiful note throughout the whole rev range and start ups are a hair-raising event. BUT there are many ways in which the setup feels more akin to a 740 than to a small sports hatch. Almost felt like an electric motor. It offers a lot low down but is empty above 5500rpm, the engine sound is too muted -specially inside-, it suffers from noticeable turbo lag and it is way too slow to rev down. I’m amazed to hear so much praise on that department because I always considered throttle response as one of my biggest let downs, let alone the horrible ECO-SPORTS modes which were both way too extreme and didn’t really change engine behavior rather took the driver input and divided or multiplied it. The manual gearbox felt really nice, metallic, precise and relatively short throws, loved rev-matching too, but the length and spacing didn’t make sense for the torque of the engine nor the spirit of the car; second was specially long and sixth way too short. Clutch was rather heavy. Suspension -non adaptive- was very firm, too much so at the back where the car carried little weight; handling on turns gave me plenty confidence as it had buckets of grip from the Michelin Pilot SS, and the brakes had an incredible feel and power for road use. It was rather thirsty for such an advanced engine, nothing crazy but economy is not brilliant, which is a pain given the minute fuel tank. Steering was accurate but not very fast and it had a completely artificial and disconnected feel, definitely didn’t have much of a different setup from the normal 1 series. Overall a gentleman’s car rather than a raging sports car. You’ll be going ilegal speeds before you notice -and you’ll only notice once you look at the speedometer-. Made me happy for different reasons than pure feel and thrill. This isn’t about the MX-5, obviously a very different car, but allow me to say that this simple, inexpensive, unambitious thing makes you understand what a sports car is really all about. It’s not about huge power as much as little weight, not about big speeds as much as superb handling, not about immense capability as much as raw feel. It is playful and has a very marked personality. Owning both, I easily understood the M140i is a normal car with plenty of power while the MX-5 is a sports car from scratch. And this simple reason is the same why James sold his M3 and got an S2000. The japanese call it jinba ittai.

[@Mexxx65]

So...BMW have lost the plot you're saying here

[@jaime77W]

All I’m saying is BMW’s plot is not my plot. It all comes down to the conceptual matter of what a sports car should be and most importantly, how should it make you feel when driving it. It is not about numbers, it is about the excitement it produces, which is both subjective and hardly quantifiable.

[@zoltrix7779]

I completely agree, possibly one of the most dissapointing cars I have every driven, the only thing good about it is the engine and the fact its RWD, but unfortunely, even those two wonderful things fail to make this a package. Its garbage, especially the manual option, just has no cohesion to it. Focus RS is a way better vehcile if you actually want to have fun and practicality, even if the engine isn't a complete pearl like the BMW.

[@patrickbateman7122]

I've got a BRZ but have driven an M140i and an M2. I have to completely agree with Jaime777. The M140i is such an overrated car, steering is so numb compared to my epas and i hate the epas on all modern cars including my own. If you think an M140i is a hot hatch then you're deluded and I'd even question you as a car enthusiast lol. It's nothing more than a small cruiser with a big engine. I used to have a Clio Williams...now that was the definition of a hot hatch. It was night and day fun/drivers car compared to that bimmer. I really question this JayEmm thinking this is a classic driver's car 🤣🤣

[@JelloTypeR]

I swapped an E90 M3 for a M140i. The 140 is a better package all round, quicker than the M3 until 130mph and just more useable. Fit an LSD and stage 1 map and you have an absolute weapon. When all cars run on volts is a few years cars such as this will be cherished. I can’t see myself ever selling it.

[@vollcare4076]

Chris Mcintosh I do have a manual M140 which I love as a very quick and efficient daily. But I still remember the E92 M3 DCT which I drive for 2 days 6 years ago: It was so much more fun to drive once you reved it above 5k, the DCT downshifts are amazing on these

[@specialboye4910]

These are mental, I have a 2013 f20 m135i and it's an absolute drivers dream, handles like a cartoon train and gets loose when you really push on it. For the money I pay a month it's an insane car

[@dylan4972]

This has made me decide to buy one. Will install a mechanical LSD. Seems like a fantastic car and sure to be a classic!

[@pboytrif1]

Bought mine 6 months ago… I’ve had a lot of twin turbo BMWs over the years but this one is by far the best I’ve owned. So fun, so practical, gorgeous

[@rodackor]

Only one I have ever had and will ever have and yes it is special, very special, hope I can still drive it in 5 years from now ,very scared about the ULEZ. In the wrong hands, this car can be dangerous as it is so slippery. I wax it and polish it like jewellery . Never modded it and probably won't. It is the 2019 shadow edition in red Melbourne.

[@lewis72]

5:38 Those TV programmes had DSC switched off. Something you'd be very silly to do in everyday driving, especially in the wet.

[@visionist7]

The more time passes, the more I realize how stupid all those TV shows were. I watched them religiously for years and years...

[@lewis72]

@@visionist7 They got stupid after the proper TopGear finished (the 30 minute episodes).

[@diegotroco3990]

Exactly, leave the DSC on and believe me, I own a 235i and it's impossible to spin these cars in the wet like that. People who say they're death traps are hillarious to me.

[@jameslove888]

The car had also spent the day power sliding about so tyres weren’t exactly in great shape either

[@andy00grant]

I've had my m140 for 4 months and it has only given me a scare once and even then it was at a bad bumble coming off a roundabout while it was -1 outside. But the car just instantly sorted itself out.

[@gpajic1987]

I'd say 130i Manual, Hydraulic steering, NA N52 👌

[@DS-pk4eh]

xDrive version that was not sold in UK, is a real gem. You still have RWD based car, but you get that awd in the case you need it. Just awesome.

[@chrisogrady28]

N54 is the true classic, I’d have one if it was a bit more reliable, so mine has the N52, great car!

[@bushwood1676]

Love how you review cars that the rest don’t, keep up the good work.

[@williamcasey4895]

Great review. I’ve only got the 118i lol, but I love it!

[@deet4895]

I like the pre-refreshed M135i with it's bug eyes.

[@Mexxx65]

Each to their own!

[@likhabo7028]

This is a classic in the making. The speed and torque is something approaching supercar territory.

[@jamesharwood2443]

My personal opinion is that the M140i is less likely, but the M135i quite possibly, because I think its the M135i with the N55 engine which created the modern cult around BMWs hottest 1 series. But one factor which is applicable to both M135i and M140i, I strongly believe the manuals will be favoured rather than the autos, and they did quite quickly stop doing manual M140i's. The unarguable recipe for a performance driver focused car (which is what most classics tend to be) are a powerful engine providing big power to the rear wheels via a manual gearbox. So for me, the favourite of the lot will be a manual M135i (N55)…. and yes, I have a manual M135i so I am 'slightly' bias.

[@g9icy]

Yep, these will be sought after, especially as they're the last inline 6, RWD M-lites.

[@kevinparadisdrummer]

Hello ! Cool video ! I'm from France, and I own one of these (4 month of use). I agree with some comment here, this car is the perfect everyday life sporty car for dude "on a budget". But hard to tell if it will become a classic. I guess to be a classic, you need to be crazy, not cheapest than concurrence. Appart from the engine, nothing is too crazy on this car. It is confy, cheap to use, and it doesn't look too extreme. On the other end, this car is literaly the only car that can be : cheap to use, confortable, small but "roomy enough", and sporty. It is then a one of kind car. Every time I'm looking for different options, I find nothing... so is this enough to make it a classic ? Not sure, but it is not overrated !

[@stevenspilsbury9801]

I'm so gutted I didn't buy one of these 2 years ago. Where my wife works they had a deal with a BMW dealership and they were offered discount on a certain few BMW's, one of these was a 140i shadow edition for £25000 brand new. I was so tempted but swmbo wasn't really interested in one and she said that she likes her Hyundai i10 too much.....

[@RSTurbo50]

Have you got divorced yet?

[@savethecars315]

Best car I have ever owned in 20 years (engine, price, space, comfort). Today I could change only with an M2 Comp with similar features

[@kevinmcg6747]

SavetheCars that’s what I did - 65 plate M135i to an M2C & there are still times when I miss the little 1 series!

[@savethecars315]

Kevin McG I was lucky enough to drive an M2 Comp at Mugello circuit and I fell in love (steering precision and handling are on another level). But I know that as daily car the M140 is already more than I really need. “Luckily” is not the best moment to spend 25k€ (more or less) on a car... 😊

[@jw1994]

A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE M140i Firstly love the channel J - keep up the great work! As an owner of the M140i for 2 years and having driven quite a lot of BMs, Mercs, Audis and the odd sports / high performance car I have a few benchmarks. The 140i engine is great, the performance, the sound - everything you’ve heard is true! HOWEVER, some things I think are key for engagement with any car sadly lacking included: 1. Slow and numb steering - worse than my 2009 123d coupe 2. Long gear throw and not the most decisive action 3. Poor suspension/ road holding - widely discussed and I did consider Birds upgrade As a fast practical hatch it was good, but engaging, I didn’t find it to be the case. As context I purchased as pristine 2018, manual with just 7k on the clock and it was in great condition. Was lucky enough to buy a Porsche afterwards and really thankful I did as all issues were addressed apart from ridiculously long gearing - 105mph in 3rd!! Hope you found this different perspective useful and suggest you try before you buy, you may well disagree and love the m140i afterall. Keep up the good work,

[@lostgps3005]

I prefer the older 130i, 3L inline 6 NA FR hatchback.

[@gpajic1987]

💯 pre-lci with hydraulic steering

[@scanspeak00]

I agree. More fun on the street, better sound and easier to maintain.

[@dungareesareforfools]

I think the original 1-series drove a lot better but this generation looks much nicer with a better interior.

[@Sierra747]

No I want the turbocharged engine every time. Why wouldn’t you want almost an extra 100bhp or 170bhp once remapped!!!

[@lostgps3005]

@@Sierra747 NA smoothness and sound

[@romanchongy9353]

I was lucky enough to have an M135i from new. I preferred the Golf R on the test drives but the finance deal was massively better. I am glad it ended up that way as despite its faults it was the best all round car i have had and i only traded it in at the end of term because of doubling my daily mileage. I would 100% have one of these again, 420BHP with a remap....

[@CharlesM505]

I have one and it's a great little car. However for it to really come alive I made a few changes; Quaife LSD, M4 lower control arms to give better turn in and a Milltek race exhaust to really make the sound come through. All those changes made a big difference!

[@visionist7]

Quaife always reminds me of Quavers crisps lol

[@vollcare4076]

Great mods - suspension missing ;)

[@mikelottermannlol7917]

I did get a Quaife LSD for my M140i as well, these are great! Thinking about an update to the suspension and can’t wait for the HJS down pipe once available (unfortunately mine has the OPF / filter).

[@nickcarvell8635]

I have a 2018 55Tfsi Audi A7. Am seriously considering the 140 as my next car .

[@markbroadheaf1593]

I've had one for 2 years. Changed the standard passive suspension ( typical cheap m car shocks ) to Bilstein B14 kit. As an ex racer wanted something practical and quick. It is certainly quick, anything more and you won't be able to use it all on the road for long without being locked up. Reasonably practical though cramped in the back. Decent on fuel although I've seen 6mpg when using it properly. Needs a LSD. Brakes are crap no matter what pads you put in. For those reasons Ive never tracked it. Ok you can add an LSD and put some proper brakes on ( AP ) but your still stuck with a heavy car with numb steering. Running costs are very reasonable and had no real issues other than holed radiator in 20 k miles. Rear tyres about 6 or 7 k. PS4 best - PSS too noisy and and dangerous when half worn in wet ( aquaplaning ). Too front heavy and you can feel it when pushing on - it's a heavy lump. Steering numb - the hydraulic rack in the 130i was so much nicer. You can cover the ground very quickly and its nice to have that torque as a daily but a classic - no. One more thing - if you have one get some mesh behind grills or the low pressure radiator will end up holed.. looking at a BRZ - a lot slower but probably much more fun flat out.

[@specialboye4910]

Dont do it, i can guarantee you'll regret it in no time

[@markbroadheaf1593]

@@specialboye4910 Why ?

[@FuelwithDave]

I had a 17plate blue m140i sold last year as it was my wife's daily driver and she started only doing 3 miles to work then 3 miles back so sold it for a cheaper run around. Ioved it and tuned it to 400hp. The b58 made the car otherwise wasn't particularly special when driving civilised but that's why we went for it as unless you knew my wife with the kids in never had an issue with people trying to race us. Good car but not a classic. B58 is an awesome engine though. Good review!

[@Leefish92]

This video popped up at the wrong time. I’m trying (and failing) to talk myself out of buying one of these 😂

[@DjNikGnashers]

Did you buy one ?

[@Leefish92]

@@DjNikGnashers I did mate got it in September last year

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@Leefish92 :-)) Nice one Lee, had mine 18 months and love it. Had it remapped within a few weeks of buying it, but next month it's having a 200 cell sports cat, further remap, and XHP3 gearbox map. Should be quite nippy then !

[@Leefish92]

@@DjNikGnashers love mine mate. It’s still under BMW warranty so when that runs out mines getting mapped as well

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@Leefish92 Mine was 2 and a half years old when I bought it, so I wasn't too worried and got it mapped almost straight away heheh, it's a 2017 so pre OPF. I'd have been happy with a later one, as I don't really like loud exhausts anyway, I had the cold start deleted when it was mapped too. After driving RS3's, A45's and Golf R's, I'm glad I got the M140i because while it might not be the fastest accelerating or best handling, it's the most fun, and that to me is what driving is all about :-)

[@stevewhite9653]

I loved my F21 M135i, it wasn’t perfect, could have benefited from a lsd as standard, but was a great one car does all daily.

[@rorysingleton3808]

Had mine for 18 months and it is amazing, however seriously flawed as stock (harsh rear suspension and no lsd). Took mine to Birds for the B1 dynamics pack (lsd, suspension, front geo) and it is now transformed. I doubt there will be anything like it again - such a useable, comfortable and rapid car. At 6ft6 I fit and can still get my kids in the car. Once they are dropped off I can play...

[@AndyfromSurrey]

Swapped my dampers for Bilstein B8s all round, not dissimilar to the ones used by Birds and the difference is amazing. Certainly tames & calms the rear end for not much money.

[@vollcare4076]

What did you do on the front geo ?

[@simonh870]

It became a modern classic as soon as BMW decided to replace it with a generic 4 cylinder Golf R clone.

[@azypk]

My neighbor own a M140i. Everyday thinking...

[@hspd8607]

Get yourself a proper 340i f30 it looks better and is more practically and its as fast because a 140i is also quite heavy for a 'small' hatchback

[@juskillz5229]

Hans Schipper yes but the 340i doesnt have the M at the front

[@m4riusf829]

@@hspd8607 the M140i is faster than a 340i. The M140i was just the Best Non M car ever made. The M240i 340i 440i are not the Same. The M140i is just so Good!

[@tenchinhanu]

It's a very good car with a nice formula and a sweet sweet engine. But most importantly, it's (most likely) the last of its kind. With how things are going, we're not gonna see the return on an I6 in a compact car. That's what will make it special in the long run and, thus, a classic!

[@brianjackson7499]

Currently on my 2nd M140i. Owned the manual first as I’m a diehard manual driver but opted for the ZF gearbox because it ultimately suits the engine better. As for it being a classic, I’m not so sure. I’m more inclined to say it’s a unique car in a competitive sector.

[@stewartmclean625]

Hi Brian, i havent driven either but I have brought a manual than im due to collect in a week, have I made a poor choice would you say?

[@gregfitzgerald6436]

They brought the replacement 135 out, and these started selling off the forecourt fast! I bought 2018 shadow edition M140i, and yes in my mind it's already a classic:)

[@TimChump]

Yeh in 10 to 20 years when most are high mileage or crashed the few good ones left will be highly desirable

[@neil5242]

Could say that about any car

[@djjackjones1]

Used M135i’s are going for less than £15k with decent mileage. I’d save the money, go for a M135i and use the money for a remap and M140i power and probably a LSD 👍🏻

[@antj29]

The reason for the difference in the ZF box across manufacturers is that ZF do not make all of them, some manufacturers make their own ZF box under licence, such as Chrysler group

[@djchocice]

The biggest thing stopping me from buying one in a heartbeat is the spectacularly bad customer service from BMW dealerships up and down the UK. Apart from that, the only real issue is a lack of an LSD, unless you’re using it for trackdays the OEM suspension doesn’t need changing but rather ditch the run flats for a good non run flat performance tyre will improve the ride/steering dramatically. Will it be a future classic? Probably, but not for a long time, just because it’s RWD and has a lovely six pot engine does not guarantee it classic status.

[@samueldurham400]

Fyi they come with Michelin Pilot Super Sports not run flats

[@vollcare4076]

If you don’t have the adaptive suspension you’d like to upgrade the standard M140 suspension as it’s way too hard and bouncy for daily drive and anybody older than 25

[@Poncho202]

Probably the last RWD Bmw 1 series hot hatch...I gonna call that a classic👍

[@poovaneswaransupramaniam6706]

Yes I do believe it will be a classic

[@redyellowpink01]

I think it will be a sleeper classic that only enthusiasts know about. My problem with it is that it looks so similar to the other trim levels. there's nothing special looking about it

[@DjNikGnashers]

It's already a modern classic. There is nothing else like it. So glad I bought one while I could, because half of them are going to be chavved up and remapped to within an inch of their lives (and subsequently ruined), while only half will remain stock and be sought after in 15 years time. Yes there are better track cars, yes it lacks a LSD, yes the interior has a few squeaks, but the positives far outweigh the few downsides. It is the most fun hot hatchback of them all, and the most unique.

[@renatinhocunharc]

for sure it is a classic ! in line 6 rwd

[@jasonevans1459]

I'm seriously considering getting one next year as a long term car, hopefully as stock as possible !!

[@Rhowhat]

I doubt it, if you want one as a daily it's fine but it's not particularly special, the older 130i is more desirable due to the lack of turbos but even that would only be bought because the Z3M coupe has become to expensive. Edit: they are a bargain for a daily car,.just arguing that it won't be a classic.

[@jakeangel9276]

Any other 1 series owners notice how difficult the in centre steering is on these? It’s like you’re fighting to keep the thing going in a straight line

[@BM_PAZ]

This is a great little car, superb engine and gearbox and for the money they cost it was a bargain. It was never the fastest street racer (if that's your thing) but I had so much fun in mine that other drivers could never have. I'd thoroughly recommend one, just don't expect it to be an "M" car, stick with some high performance tyres on it and you'll never look back. Oh and if you're into drag racing from the lights then this is not the car for you, BMW's have never been about that sort of thing so the mid range is where this thing is brutal, that's when you will wave goodbye to those S3's and Golf R's.

[@AndyfromSurrey]

I love my manual M140i, real wolf in sheep’s clothing, love it. What you say about being a hooligan is spot on, this car needs to be driven with respect, but it is putting 335 bhp through the rear wheels, so to be expected. As it’s one of the last big engined hot hatches I throughly expect it to be a future classic.

[@dasstig5274]

Just got myself the older m135i and it's great so far. The m140i is rarer/newer and twice the price where I live, so i'll have to settle for a bit less torques. Still plenty though.

[@simont4708]

Owned one and I say no. Too many and doesn't give the feel to want to push on. Great engine mind

[@ApothecaryTerry]

It's the 1st of those things that stopped me buying one, they're everywhere...

[@drivenbygas]

Good thing that in Spain they are very rare. I have owned one for the last 9 month and have only encounter a couple driving around Madrid.

[@joebloggs4191]

@@drivenbygas This is so true don't see many nice performance cars here in Spain at all.

[@TeacherToolkitDemo]

Course it wants to push on are you fucking mad? 😂. So many people talking bollocks on here.

[@nickfenwick]

TeacherToolkitDemo totally agree I own a grey 19 plate shadow edition and it’s a very capable car and despite what people say it’s pretty good in the rain unless you drive it like a idiot, its never going to be as good as awd in wet but why would you want drive at stupid speeds in the wet anyway!!!

[@theengineer4680]

The M140i will be a modern classic if it isn't already due to the fact BMW ended the 3ltr RWD 1 series. Huge amounts of power available that leave you feeling light headed but I suggest sorting the chassis out first. Great video

[@AndyfromSurrey]

I changed Changed my dampers for Bilstein B8s and it is so much better. Apparently replacing rear springs with M135i springs also helps

[@theengineer4680]

@@AndyfromSurrey I have ordered a front strut brace, which I was going to do ages ago and BMW underbody chassis brace kit, this should transform the lurching feeling and make it handle loads better also

[@thatsbod1041]

6:13 - dodgy editing 👍🏻 - I happen to love these cars & an LSD can be had to make them the car they should always have been

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Damn it, will have to trim that later

[@Mexxx65]

Should be standard, ala MX5, 86

[@thatsbod1041]

@@Mexxx65 agreed - I think it's about limiting excellence to avoid devaluing the halo products.

[@bonganichoma5777]

It's a classic, that's a beast pity they will be front/all wheel drive on the next generation 1series😔😔

[@Duncan94]

I wouldn't consider any modern non-M BMW to be a future classic really. The same way I wouldn't consider the E46 330ci a classic, compared to the E46 M3. The M140i/M240i are not overrated however. They are brilliant cars for the money and the B58 is an incredible engine with a lot of potential.

[@joebloggs4191]

The M cars will always be proper classics but don't discount the lesser models they just take longer to reach the classic status just take a look at the E30 M3 which had classic status years ago whereas the E30 325i only recently gained, same will happen to the 330ci.

[@Gambantein]

Depends on how 'classic' is defined but as I define it - no. To common. Not special enough. I almost bought a M2 Competition but not even that was special enough. P.S. Sent you pics of my Mercedes SLK55 AMG last night. 🙂

[@richardbaker696]

Agreed. Looks like a 118d. Something like my old Alfa 147GTA that's special.

[@Gambantein]

@@richardbaker696 Now that Alfa is special! 👍

[@richardbaker696]

@@Gambantein Still gutted I sold it :(

[@samcourt6228]

I really like my M140i. It’s quick, isn’t horrendous to run in terms of costs, doesn’t stand out too much so I don’t feel silly driving it to work and the facelift cars are pretty good looking (certainly better than the generic, dumpy replacement). The B58 dominates the driving experience and really suits the ZF8. I swapped the standard paddles for those of an M car which look nicer and feel nicer to use. I’ve done a few other cosmic mods too (a Reiger diffuser, some carbon and alcantara trim, lost the silver mirrors and canards etc). It’s not perfect and does get a bit bouncy when really pushing on but by the time that happens, a bouncy rear ended is the least of your problems should the police catch you. By the time it starts to fall apart handling wise, you’re really moving. I’d like a bit more exhaust noise too (mine is a run out car with the PPF) so a trip to PCW may be on the cards soon. It’ll be a hard car to replace because it ticks so many boxes for me. I think in the years to co e that it’ll end up with a cult following a bit like the 130i.

[@mattmellor4597]

Seen a few of the new 1s. I think they work from the rear and side, but the front is just God awful. The grille makes it look far too upright.

[@samcourt6228]

Matt Mellor they look like the offspring of a 2 series active tourer and an X2....which are both awful.

[@2702simmo]

Thinking of getting one instead of my new to me E93 M3 which I’m struggling to like

[@gassx7778]

Simmo TVR whats so bad about the m3?

[@BrandonEccles]

@@gassx7778 e93 is a convertible, will be a proper boat

[@xer0334]

I hope it becomes a modern classic id quite like to hang onto mine

[@robertreid9079]

Bought the last 140i sold in the country in July 2019 from BMW main dealer in Exeter,and have treated it like a baby ever since. Just gone over 2,000 miles .Keep thinking I should be using it as a daily driver but I just love lifting the bonnet and seeing that lovely clean engine😀 It seems such a waste of power and really should be taken on track days etc.but I just can’t bring myself to get it dirty.!

[@Real_Turismo]

Top tip if it’s the “fun car”, don’t daily it. Everytime you’re going to drive it you are hyped as if it’s the first time. But 2000 miles in 2 years is really really not a lot.

[@FraggerFilms]

It wouldn’t be the last as they’re are cars registered on 69 reg’s unless they were built earlier than yours.

[@robertreid9079]

@@Real_Turismo Update! Just coming up to 4 years old and nearly done 2,800 miles.😀

[@drumnbass8]

I have an M135i and no plans of selling up any time soon. Lets hope you are right.

[@realshmoothie]

One thing to note, a lot of car guys will always hate the new thing for a while until they get used to a new design. I bet you’d get a way more balanced answer 1 or 2 years from now lol.

[@greyrock551]

If you like your driving, I think the counterargument to this car is the VW Golf GTI mk 7. That car just flows. Beautiful handling, ride quality and - for an electric setup - engaging steering. You can also get it with a decent manual (M140i's was never much good). It's key advantage is that it is noticeably light - more than 150kg lighter than an M135i/140i. While BMW can go on about 'perfect weight distribution', having 50/50 is just marketing and doesn't actually tell you that most of that front 50% is the heavy 6-cil that sits furthest forward. The GTI feels light on its toes in a way that the M140i never does. Before anyone accuses me of making an armchair argument: I have driven both extensively, as well as the R and S3, and know the N55 engine very well (never owned a B58 though). The GTI also doesn't sound half-bad, and from the inside I would argue it does a better job owing to its clever front-window sound inducer (sounds 20% fake vs BMW's speaker based 80% fake system). No farting either (bonus points). Overall it feels to me like the M140i (and M135i) get more credit than they are due because BMW simply didn't have anything semi-exciting but decently priced in their range in those years, except this. Forget M3/M4 - even 'regular' 335i and 340i where (very) expensive cars, while the original M135i was truly cheap for what it was. So it is and remains the only affordable ticket into straight-six heaven (which is a good thing). But if you can get over the 6-cilinder obsession, it isn't the best hot hatch. Especially because isn't even a great hatch - rear seat room is awful. A cheaper, lighter, smaller 2+2 (or even 2-seater) with this engine, or even better a naturally aspirated six, that would have been a true classic. Z4 30si anyone (never driven one - but in theory...)?

[@stu4181]

Well just checked the ads on autotrader, looked at theses about 14 months back you could get a 6 month old m140 shadow edition with 1500 odd miles for 26-26.5k 14 months later same cars with 10k miles are 26k seems they have a following already thanks to the new model selling out!

[@JasonMilner]

Love mine, just annoyed that I didn't search longer for a better spec. Mine's largely stock, exceptiong an upgraded ICE unit. If I was buying again, I'd add the adaptive dampers, & upgraded stereo (basic one is pants). If I still had some extra cash, I'd go for the BMW dealer fit LSD & exhaust, plus as a luxury the auto folding & dimming door mirrors, & memory seats (my wife is 25cm shorter than me).

[@vollcare4076]

Jason Milner totally agree with you: Non adaptive M140 suspension is too stiff, harsh and bouncy and standard stereo is crap

[@robertebob3596]

Same here especially would have liked the HK but do have folding mirrors and heated seats ect oh and same on suspension as i hear the adaptive is really good.

[@tramlad2]

I has the 2 litre sport , cracking little car great to drive, sporty feel, and a nice slick gearbox, traded it for a Scirocco another great drivers car, nice review.

[@zoltrix7779]

Nice slick gearbox? Have you ever driven a decent manual, this one is rubbery, vauge, long throws, off set pedals. Why couldn't they just make the gearbox feel like a Honda Type R or a Mazda MX-5?

[@juskillz5229]

Got offerd 9 g for mine i said take your 9 g and put it down on the new one mate im keeping her

[@Thuds593]

Pakistani by any chance ?

[@richardtrow2751]

Great cars 👍 but you do benefit greatly from a LSD and a good suspension kit first mods I did on my 500+ bhp M135I lci 😎

[@vollcare4076]

richard trow totally agree (M140 here)

[@markrhoden68]

Mine 3 door always gets comments and I'll take that

[@penguinred651]

My 2016 M140i has 800 miles on the clock, bought it as a future classic :-)

[@andrewroberts5416]

I’ve owned two M135’s and in away miss both. The first was an automatic which I rejected due to ongoing gearbox issues and had swapped for a manual. The manual was a bit of a disappointment as it lacked the extra drama the auto provided. I’ve always felt them to be an underrated car that would rise to minor classic status; how/where else would get an engine package like that? The complexity of maintaining one long term was also a issue for me, so I swapped it for a Caterham 7. I’d have another without doubt, just not one as a daily.

[@keithshop1]

Basically will be a classic as within a few years very few will be left after the hooligans are let loose on them...basically

[@DjNikGnashers]

Agreed, stock ones will be worth the money. 75% of them, get chavved up, de-chromed to within an inch of their lives, slammed, stupid exhausts, huge cone air filters letting all that dirt into the engine, and thrashed daily. Mine is staying stock on the outside, with only future plans to fit the underbody brace, and LSD to compliment my remap.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

My Peugeot 106 diesel is a classic. I love it.