Does New World Have A Bot Problem Or Not?

[@jweezy15able]

The lack of mid/ high teir nodes is the big issue. Prices to craft things are more than the items themselves, so adding more nodes like silk and fire flowers would be nice.

[@jayoddity]

I agree, but the risk is making farming worthless

[@jonn1003]

You are 100% right. I farmed a lot and there was plenty of times 2 to 3 others were trying to farm the same route or even the same cluster of nodes. It caused a lot of animosity amongst players.

[@DiMAAcadia]

@@jonn1003 wow, 2 or 3 players, that is just outrageous!

[@jonn1003]

@@DiMAAcadia That means you get 66% or 75% less resources making it 2/3 or 3/4's less profitable.

[@DiMAAcadia]

@@jonn1003 Eh, you balance that out by having farming runs that collect multiple different resources, so that on average you are constantly making money. Some nodes will be plundered, others won't and so on across all the runs, but your profit floor will increase so it ends up being a lot less than 2/3 or 3/4.

[@AhtiKokla]

This test was like getting a your bucket full of water from the river and concluding there are no fish in this river because your bucket didn't have any fish in it. At least take larger sample size and visit bot hotspots not main hubs and farming location where they get reported in 15 minuts

[@jayoddity]

Man I am not a scientist, I had an hypothesis, I tested it to my best ability, do I know the bloody t value or anything, nah. But I welcome people doing the same test, I am not trying to hide what I did. I don't know where the main bot hubs are? But surely having lots of bots in one place would be bad.

[@AhtiKokla]

@@jayoddity Nothing against you personally. Perhaps just turned out just a bit harsh. Just judging bot situation is not that simple as "visit couple of zones and conclude on that". There are spots more contested by bots and there are places less contested. Anyways keep up the videos and good work. This video just seems that you rushed to conclusion. Perhaps you intended good with this video but I feel you didn't do enough homework on this one. *Sorry, just there are so many self proclaimed "data analyzers" on forum and on youtube nowadays who read data out of coffee cup and present them as evidence*

[@jayoddity]

@@AhtiKokla You know my real job is a data analyst, and I wouldn't use my analysis in a professional context. This check is one server at one time by one guy. Like I could have spent days searching but I mean I just don't think it would have added much more value but maybe I am wrong! All good :)

[@AhtiKokla]

@@jayoddity Well thats odd :D two data analyst looking at each other awkwardly... Sounds like start of a bad joke. Anyways well, we can agree to disagree. No hard feelings.

[@godrollgames]

If it helps they’re a fraction of the amount of bots we have stomping around the Lost Ark servers

[@bukkyg2080]

Lmfao am dead xD

[@jayoddity]

heh Lost ark seems insane!

[@teemumiettinen7250]

yeah. Lost ark will die because of bots, and the devs dont seem to give a sh1t about the bots. Many of my friends stopped playing because too many bots.

[@Berserker604]

5:11 How is Bots not a Big problem? Have you looked at the Trading Posts recently for crafting materials like rawhides, starmetal and orichalcum ores, wyrdwood and ironwood, silkweed and wirefibers they are selling these in bulk of Thousands across all servers!!! This game is already messed up as the way it is with (Limited Timed) gathering nodes first come first serve and RNG crafting.

[@jayoddity]

I simply mean it's a problem but not super crazy bad. But that's an opinion

[@silveryfoxx4791]

Professional bots are there to make coin to sell for RL money. It’s a full time business and some of these bots have real people monitoring them and able to reply to messages.

[@jayoddity]

yeah but they stopped and spoke to me, but it doesn't really matter if I got a couple wrong.

[@violetlight8138]

I hate the bots because they take the nodes and they are machines so they never get tired. Impossible to compete with

[@jayoddity]

yeah crazy

[@north1633]

night is crazy 2 am theres like 30 bots running same path

[@jayoddity]

Where abouts?

[@edups1]

on my server got like 7 bots in everfalls 24/7 and when i hop at 3am to do some farming its more like 10 to 15

[@jayoddity]

Aye they seem to be more annoying now to me

[@TechnoKitty3712]

Hi Jay, in addition to what you have stated in the video, I also want to add that actual, automatic, scripted bots aren't the only ones farming the resources, real, living players are too. Some of the "bots" that go on farming resources for several hours a day are just gold-sellers/farmers, gathering resources to sell on the trading post for coin, to sell that coin to other people in exchange for real currency. These people will go on multiple routes for lengthy amounts of time cause they work for gold-selling websites, which is of course despicable. There are also other ways of identifying gold-sellers/bots that you did not list in the video but I thought might be helpful: -Funny-looking names (a lot of their names are funny words, or just a mix of words and numbers, or just a mix of random words and phrases). -Part of companies with funny names (some of the company names will be called something such as "REAL LIVE COMPANY" which is just blatant af). -Not part of a company (Cause they are automatic bots).

[@jayoddity]

True, I don't know how much gold selling is done by non bots

[@TechnoKitty3712]

@@jayoddity Ya a lot of them are apparently from South-east Asian and Eastern Europe according to other people, but I can confirm that I might've met some that were actually from Indonesia. They used to be part of a company I was in and had some pretty sketchy tell-tale signs, they would always go on chest run routes to farm trophy items to sell, and almost never do anything else. They would sometimes respond when chatted with, but they never did any pvp, invasions, or other stuff with the company lol. Makes me wonder if they were also acquiring coin to sell for IRL money.

[@tonysanderson7741]

I've seen several bots on my travels , have reported them and company too but 3 months down the line the same bots are still botting. It seems the newworld team doesn't really care about banning them. Personally find them annyoying especially during the phase of try to legitimately up my mining skill. One of the bots actually did reply back to me in Chinese and it was the same response evey time i messaged them lol!

[@jayoddity]

They do need to do more

[@captainshiffer]

I quit playing Lost Ark because of their bot plague. New World doesn’t even come close. But there has to be a way to get rid of them.

[@jayoddity]

Indeed

[@iliketurtles667]

the trading post on my server is controlled by accounts running scripts that will re-post an undercut in almost exactly 1 min without fail on every mote type. I watched this closely for a couple of months and saw it was coming from a certain town. started doing my trading at that towns trading post and noticed 1 guy level 29 or something who is always standing in the exact same place (inside the cluster of ppl), never gains a level or new piece of gear, never logs out and is still there to this day. its been almost 4 months, reporting this guy does nothing and now im starting to notice its not only the motes. I wonder how many items are actually controlled by bots/scripts. i know its quit a lot.

[@jayoddity]

Small chance could be a real person for all we know

[@evocybernation8839]

Yes, big issue. In one area, there are 3 bots. Whenever Amazon starts a new server, bots are more active.

[@jayoddity]

Yeah I think this is just always going to be an issue

[@tashakay1734]

its hard to find bots.. sometimes when im mining I have a movie on or a twitch stream so I'm running place to place to mine or such so would be very easy to miss text.... Maybe the a capture check would be good sometimes to see people are humans.

[@jayoddity]

It would be very immersion breaking to be tested though, but maybe they could make it feel fun in game

[@petemisc4291]

I would say YES, and I think it’s the fault of AGS, why, b/c there are such high mat. Requirement for projects that it takes an enormous amount of time to farm, in fact I’m lvling my engineering right now and I farm my own material, I see bot every time/everywhere, I just saw a low lvl bot farming Hyssop by the starting area, lol. It’s really bad. Players don’t have the enormous amount of time to farm for themselves

[@jayoddity]

yeah maybe but people will always try and cheat

[@petemisc4291]

@@jayoddity there is no “yeah maybe” it’s a fact, it’s hard for me to compete with some of these bots, AGS should have scattered and randomized the spawn so that bots could not operate efficiently

[@petemisc4291]

@@jayoddity also, they need to lower the mat requirements for a lot of the high end items, this would get more peeps with 200 skill to make more items which would be cheaper at TP. The bots in NW are way over the top of any game

[@ruipaquete3049]

I am a farmer, and am fairly turned off by the amount of them that I run into. Again, I play daily for 3 - 5 hours, and run into these constantly. I get your point on detecting software, but what needs to be done here is Server GMs need to be hired and watching these. They just cant seem to be able to afford this, therefor they, like every other company is trying an automated process, and unsurprisingly is falling way short. One more thing: This feeds gold buying. With this many bots, it makes far more sense to go out, spend real money and save yourself 10s of hours of farming, and still get what you want. Some sites have 500k for as low as $100. To alot of people in the US, this is child's play $ they will spend in 5 seconds. How much orichalcum Ore can you buy with 500k? 200k? 50k? And as you mentioned EF/WW companies are like "I dont see the problem here". The real problem is no one cares to farm, because their culture now is to just buy, which robs so much of the game.

[@jayoddity]

GM's would be a great move

[@justinfloyd2235]

I think they are a problem personally. It can be pretty annoying as a player starting out trying to get like your harvesting level up for example when there's bots all over windsward (go check near the fort there's always a bunch running the same path) and I mean these bots are pretty likely the same accounts selling gold in the game also. Valorant is pretty much the only game that has protections in place to prevent something like this from happening and what I mean is they have protections in place if software tries to take control of your mouse in game then your mouse just stops working entirely and new world would need an anticheat measure implemented similar to this to stop the bots. And I mean it's still possible to cheat at val if you know what you are doing but it would take the people selling the cheats to have to offer more support to those that are purchasing them. It wouldn't be as simple as it is now where a bot is developed using python and then once it works they can sell it for $30-$40 a month and as long as the user has their resolution set to 1080p and certain keybinds then it works as intended. It would take much more manual set up and I think we would see that number go from 5% to less than 1%. This same anticheat would ruin the ai-assisted aimbot people are using in opr also and pretty much the only way you'd be able to cheat really is with an undetected cheat engine which is pretty difficult to set up. You're never gonna get rid of the cheaters/bots but you can slow them down.

[@jayoddity]

I think they are a problem and I'd love AGS to do more, but I think it's also an MMO problem, and I have no idea how to solve it myself

[@nikkoi9144]

@@jayoddity Hire GM's, look how many bots you would have banned rn, imagine couple ppl's doing this for 8 hour a day + it's a paid game so it can quickly become unprofitable for those who run those bots with GMs in the game

[@HeWhoisN8]

As a living breathing bot I appreciate the work you are doing.

[@jayoddity]

What is your IGN, I will report :P

[@HairBeard]

Bots are definitly a major Problem and not just Bots, Farmers aswell. There is the spot in Cutless Keys for rawhide, how can it be, that 24/7 is one of a company there farming and if hes leaving, another one comes. I guess that are Farmers who are getting paid. You can argue that its their way to play the game, but on the other hand you know, that they are doing it just for the money. On Aaru/EUW there is defintily a Bot Problem. You see it by the prices in the AH, one their movement, behaviour and Names. They re selling wood for the same prices all day long, even if it is half of the current price.

[@jayoddity]

I mean if they are a person farming, I would feel less bad about it, maybe sort bots and then they can worry about RMT

[@HairBeard]

@@jayoddity Good Point. But i even cant see anything against the bots. Other game publishes banwaves etc. Seems like AGS doint nothing. I know that many Stuff would more expensive and other will go cheaper, but i am willing to risk this.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

Seemed to notice loads about 6 or 8 weeks ago. Especially noticeable round the hemp fields in windsward near fisherman's corner. On one evening alone I personally reported 6 all following each other round empty nodes, stopping moving on etc. Most of them were clanned up which was very disappointing.

[@jayoddity]

I went there and couldn't see anyone when I played. But it's so subjective that maybe it was just me at that time

[@plump688]

The area around Windsward is crazy. All you need to do is run around the city wall and look for bots stuck, running into it. Its almost impossible to farm between Windsward and Cuttlas because of the amount of bots.

[@jayoddity]

I found more in Everfall but WW was always big for bots

[@Huron2010A]

About 2 weeks before the release of this video, I was on late on night (about 2:30 a.m. eastern), and in FL by the northern travel shrine (Explorer's Shrine?) on Castle of Steel I counted 9 other players. ALL OF THEM were using botting software. Level ranges 20-60. All of them ran in direct line patterns, and if a node was down did the double nod as hey tried to harvest it.

[@jayoddity]

I think at that time that ration makes sense sadly

[@petemisc4291]

Same here, I’m lvling engineering and farm my own mats, I see them everywhere, a player just would not have the time to gather the mats themselves, I’m retired so I have all day but majority don’t. AGS have created this problem, like so many others, by having such high mat requirements of scarcity of mats, take snail slime, takes hours and hours of fishing to create instruments or if you want to lvl up furniture crafting to 200

[@teemumiettinen7250]

I think bots should be forced to be pvp flagged. Player can defend themselves, but bot will just die. This could be temporary fix, before they can make actual bot detection software.

[@Zenny_cs]

Personally I think they should add a mining system like runscape, and just take the ores off the trade post so it doesn't fuck with the economy.

[@TheSchwarzKater]

There are bot hotspots where you can get very little resource as there're like 10 every time. On Tartarus for example, just a few meters west of Everfall (Alioth) there are 8 bots running around. A bit south Chason Steep, there're 5 bots running as of writing this. And this is since 3 days and zero of them get banned. I wonder how long they already are farming there since they are all level 60 and I only farm there since 3 days. There used to very little bots once the server was locked for character creation. I don't agree with the last major point of false banning. Other MMORPG solved this issue. Also the current bots are very basic scripts, every kid can do with a program recording. They always walk the same path and not even those are banned. There are some more advanced scripts, that even detect if a node is already mined, but they still always walk to the resource and try to mine (wihtout the animation anymore, they solved that ). Some are now good enough to avoid sort of the already mined resource and skip the next few meters and walk to the next one. They are harder to spot, but they have the same movement every time and if you follow them, they're easily spottable.

[@jayoddity]

Fair enough. I also don't get how the obvious bots are not being automatically banned.

[@PeterPanbe]

You should not compare to the server population. The Question is: how many non-bot plagers did you encounter at those nodes?

[@jayoddity]

I reckon 75% of nodes were not being farmed by bots but guess

[@DMM_Fan]

There is major concern regarding Node placement..If they place tightly packed valuable resources without any challenge you have to beat then bots will camp such spots.

[@jayoddity]

I would love random spawns

[@dievas_]

@@jayoddity random(ish) placement and ranged npcs guarding them.

[@Syrph.]

I went to get hemp in Windsward and the moment I got there there were 5 bots running around. Still, after an hour, I got enough resources. However, they are a problem for more reasons than just gathering things, they can screw up the economy. I hate bots with a passion, try to find any way I can to screw them up. Fishing bots are fun to kill though. Shove them around with an ice pylon and if the water is deep enough they ded. =P

[@jayoddity]

Lets hope AGS step up soon

[@Fireguarding]

Yes, it is a problem still. Anoying trying to go farm iron or the basic resources, always feel like they are camped.

[@jayoddity]

Competing against a machine is always going to feel bad

[@Ultrajamz]

Its also a money laundering problem, they need to hire a data analyst who has worked in finance seriously.

[@jayoddity]

Probably

[@teddyoflove5897]

Came back to the game 2weeks ago after a break over a summer. My server was running full 2500 people at peak times and I did not see single bot, but had problem with recources everything was gathered. Transfered now to one of new server with 1700player peak time, and did not see a single bot over 3 days and have gathered a lot of stuff. Its way better than after the launch for sure.

[@jayoddity]

I honestly don't think it's as bad right now than it has been

[@cosmicxchaos]

There's less bots these days, but there will be a lot on fresh starts come Brimstones. I wouldn't call it a major issue, but I hope they keep working to minimize it. Better node density for all material types in elite areas across all zones would be nice. imho.

[@jayoddity]

Agreed

[@Zittylol]

When the prices on the AH are so low....that is a sure sign of BOTS. AND what does the game do about them?...NADA....looking forward to AoC their policy will be no bots and delete them. BOTS steal resources I could of gotten butt they are on 7-24 and that ruins the econ.

[@jayoddity]

We will see if AoC can truly stop it when they have 100k bots to handle

[@rampagingbrit]

There are many bots out and about with they hype of the Brimstone sands coming, it's so hard to farm resources on ygg right now

[@jayoddity]

sad to hear

[@pivkemrzli2297]

as a person that does a lot of gathering, the actual bots are very few compared to how many there were 6 months ago. so i would say many have been banned, or they simply moved on to different game. either way the bot situation has improved greatly.

[@jayoddity]

That's my thinking too to be fair

[@kennethwarfield4421]

Guess that depends on the server bots crawl all over ori nodes

[@jonn1003]

@@kennethwarfield4421 Agreed and any motes as they were big gold makers.

[@GedTV]

The problem ceases to exist if everyone had instanced nodes, that reset daily.

[@jayoddity]

Bots would bot but people would also farm

[@doublehelix7880]

Banning a single bot is innefective as the same script can be launched 15 later on another account. In a vid months ago the devs explained their approach - working with EasyAnticheat to stop a bot software running comp to access the game.

[@jayoddity]

Sure it needs detection which is actually quite hard to do

[@doublehelix7880]

@@jayoddity The human factor is important too. The devs asked bots to be reported ONLY from the locations they farm and yet, a lot of idiots keep spamming bot names to be reported from everywhere and unfortunately - other idiots do that and mess seriously the investigation cause they give fake telemetry points...

[@blacklord3212]

so basically you find 3-4 bots here and there ? , that is way too good for an MMO lol , you should see the other MMOs specially lost ark the biggest bot factory lol , bots are literally in every game , there is no stopping them , you ban them they come back , the only way to stop them it to stop trying to create a market where bots can benefit , this is hard formula specially in an MMO so , until developers from all around the world find a real solution to bots we can't do anything

[@jayoddity]

True, I think people don't understand that bots are not as easy to get rid of as they think.

[@1000MilezAhead]

Don't know if it's bots or not but on my server everything is always already farmed. I'm just trying to level my skills but can't. It's reminding me why I quit all those months ago.

[@jayoddity]

I would maybe transfer to one of the new servers

[@DanaDCorey]

Check out First Light to Cutlas Keys - I usually find at 15 every time I am around there, and obviously "reporting" them does nothing since they have always been there

[@jayoddity]

Sad times

[@EliskaMM]

I don't think bots are problem anymore... Yes, they are still there, but the lack of nodes/resources is bigger... idk about your server but getting silk or Ori ore on Abaton is impossible... Ori is easier bc there is more nodes all over the place, but Silk is mostly in two zones and everyone is there all the time... it is getting boring again, can't do stuff anymore AGAIN.

[@jayoddity]

You can get some on my server but not consistently to farm

[@marlindafish]

An idea I've had since day 1 has been anywhere outside of starting zones (first Light, Everfall, Windward, ect.) You have to flag PvP to gather anything. I honestly don't know how viable it would be. But kinda hard to gather when you're dead

[@NomShaw]

Look up helbreath usa

[@jayoddity]

It would probably kill the game, pve farmers would not like it at all

[@marlindafish]

@@jayoddity I would be inclined to agree with hurting the game, but not out right kill it. As a super, mega, ultra, awesome, crafter. I usually can stay ahead of the bots gathering. Something I've notice with bots. If you can get a ranged enemy to hit them. The bots don't know what to do and swing wildly at nothing. It's nothing if not entertaining

[@jayoddity]

Btw thanks for become a top tier member! And yeah it wouldn't kill it, I was being a bit dramatic. I would maybe prefer less resources for everyone but instanced, but man always on pvp would sure spice things up!

[@marlindafish]

@@jayoddity I am very behind the PvP curve. I focused so much on crafting, I would have an overwhelming fear of death.

[@MountaindewM]

Did you just compare a game with millions of players to a game with less than 50k players PEAK? If each has 5% of bots then WoW has 50k bots @ 5% of players are bots while New World has 2500 bots. That is assuming WoW has 1 million players and New World has 50k players and both have 5% of players being bots. Either way, any amount of bots is a problem if it negatively impacts real players.

[@jayoddity]

It's the only game I can personally compare against. No idea how you know how many people are playing retail wow now though. If wow had 1 millions subs that wouldn't be a fair comparison. New World probably has around 200k players.

[@DT-yw7gx]

I keep getting weird questions from people when I’m out farming. Maybe they think I’m a bot. Most times I don’t even notice the questions until they are long gone

[@jayoddity]

Maybe, that's funny

[@Chaedron1]

I rezzed someone that I think turned out to be a bot. After I rezzed them they said thanks but then when I replied with "No problem" they replied with the exact same phrase. Of course, this may have just been a non- English speaker and they just use the same phrase because they didn't know how to respond. But it did make me stop and think about how sophisticated bots could be. And I agree, bots aren't any worse than anywhere else and they certainly are better than at the start of the game. I use to see certain spots where it was obviously two or three or more even in some cases in one spot farming. I don't really see that anymore, unless they are getting super advanced and I just haven't noticed them.

[@jayoddity]

Lets hope AGs can step up though

[@malguskerensky]

Even as a gatherer / farmer type, I have not seen that many bots. Compared to launch, things are in a much, much better state bot and afk-er wise. The fresh servers and recent hype may give AGS a challenge in Oct, but we will see how they handle it.

[@jayoddity]

Fresh will be interesting

[@yfchina143]

But all it take is one bot to farm a location

[@N3mr0dh]

In Fr forum i asked to make ressources instanced to let everyone to farm without toxicity and without the impact of bots. On Nysa, bots are, sometimes VERY VERY presents... BTW : Having a bot , with data that explains that every run the bot does has no difference (like following the same path, jumping at same area/same time) normaly helps to do a judgement on it.

[@jayoddity]

Indeed

[@kryptikdistortion]

I have seen a few people on the forums talk about turning Nodes from Server based to instanced based instead, meaning everyone could farm the same node and not loose out on materials to bots but some people did say that it could upset the balance of competing against other players for nodes and that it would cause market upset. For me i don't care about being out farmed by actual players but going against Bots who are scripted 24/7 does get annoying. However there are a lot of MMO's out there where nodes are instance based and the market is still booming, yes it might lower prices on the market for iron, silver, gold etc but you will still get people that will still want to buy the materials due to their own personal time constraints ie Work, Family life etc and might only get an hour or so a night to play and these people going up against bots are just waiting time trying to gather and not getting much as if nodes where instanced based they could go out, farm materials and be more productive in other areas like crafting. Even though the number of bots might seem small in the area you are in gathering you don't know exactly how many bots are spread across the map at any given time but something does need to be done about this or people will just give up on the game as its a waste of someone's time.

[@jayoddity]

To do them instanced based would make them lose a lot of value. Bots would still farm them.

[@kryptikdistortion]

@@jayoddity Yes that is true the items would loose some value on the market but it won't be completely ruined, some MMO's already have this mechanic and their in-game economy is still really good. Bots would still be out and about getting these resources but won't be making half as much gold from the minable ores and will allow everyone to be able to farm the materials with it being instanced based. It can be a deterrent this way because if a bot is running a script 24/7 and market values are lower for iron ore etc is it really worth the time/power consumption to continue botting if they are not making enough gold on raw ores? They would have to find another method of making gold which would mean to make gold they would have to go into higher tier areas. or craft iron ore into ingots etc to make any money. But im not a game developer so i don't know the In's and Out's of it all but it does seem like a reasonable fix to the botting issue.

[@Spyrit2011]

AGS needs to phase the gathering nodes, you cannot level gathering by buying from the auction house. If they plan on adding solo content, being self sufficient is part of the solo game.

[@jayoddity]

I feel like competition for nodes adds value and it would be sad to see it go. Random, or semi random spawns would be good.

[@Spyrit2011]

@@jayoddity When they are adding 500 more players to the servers , as well as solo content, there needs to be a way to remove the bot based economy. Keep in mind some people just like to craft and not participate in pve and pvp, as things stand now they won't stay long. One only a small portion of players can gather, given timer respawns, how is this considered competition? Even with phased gathering nodes, there are still spawn timers, everything in the game does not need to be a competition, as I said some people just want to be self sufficient. The term "carebear", meaning not wanting to be competitive. I shouldn't be forced to engage with auction house trading, if I can do it myself.

[@FoxyRaven-TV]

Bots are a big problem, i find it funny that Amazon strikes hard on Exploiters but bots i reported weeks ago are still running around farming 🤦‍♂️ Edit: Amazon needs to open there mouth and tell us what they are doing or not doing agenst bots. Edit2: A few of my friends who returned to New World the same time as i did 4 weeks ago they left just 2 weeks after because they got tirred of bots, i have also read and seen people leave the game because of the bot issue, imo they need to adress this bot issue and tell us what they are going to do about it.

[@jayoddity]

I don't think they can confidently sort the bots as easily as people think

[@FoxyRaven-TV]

@@jayoddity They are looking at reports i hope, and if enoth players have reported a person for botting, they need to try and make contact with that person if the person dont respond to the devs they could try up to 3 times over a few hours and if that person acused for botting do not reply its 100% sure a bot and they can take action, if a player didnt respond 3 times over a few hours and they where active, its there own fould for getting banned imo. Edit: in other games Game Masters can open a large chatbox so you cant miss that its a GM who is trying to get into contact with you.

[@sertandoom4693]

If I made bots- they'd be able to respond to "Hey are you a bot?" with one or more of the following- "nope, just mining", "Just mind yer business and leave me alone", "Making false accusations of botting, Ima reporting you!"...Etc maybe ask a few more questions. Resource bots head to map coordinates- have dynamic resources spawning (random locations) give players a reason to look all over. Fishing bots(simple ones)- occasionally fish up a sea monster that knocks em away from the water or eats them if not fought. Pvp bots- no clue, way too much automation here to begin with(keyboard and mouse with special features).

[@jayoddity]

Sure but you can tell if they actually stop to type and stuff.

[@sertandoom4693]

@@jayoddity delay= random(1000); write "Hey I'm just doing my thang here";

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@sertandoom4693 This is why you ask random questions. "How is the weather?" and "What color is the sky?" etc.

[@sertandoom4693]

@@teemumiettinen7250 And these days my bot would also be able to get a response from A.I.

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@sertandoom4693 As long as the question is random enough you can still see if its AI or human talking.

[@Ray-oy7ot]

I've spent most of my time gathering lately as I've been leveling up my trading skills. Sometimes I found 3-4 bots around the route I've always been using. and I fricking hate em cuz I already reported them like thousand time but still no action take. What a bull the support team is.

[@jayoddity]

I do get the hate, if bots are on your run it is just pure annoying

[@kirchhoff7049]

Here is the thing with bots...they are not run by players looking to farm in-game gold. They are run by people who probably don't even play New World to ultimately make real world currency (by selling the in-game gold for $). Therefore, the botting problem is an indication and a symptom of gold buying/selling. It is really a problem we create ourselves. And as you mentioned, it is easy to walk through the world and be 100% confident "that player is a bot", but when your job hangs in the balance of not being wrong in those assessments, suddenly you need a little something called justification and evidence (even proof). And because of the economics of the game/industry (no subscription fee, minimal RMT, etc.) the only way to do this is either through automation (easier to fool because AI is trying to detect AI, and they continue to evolve to counter each other) or by using a minimum wage worker in the Philippines who speaks English as their second language. Easy enough for players to say "I can tell who is a bot", I don't get why they can't fix it. Sure, but are you willing to do that 8 hours a day for just over $1/hour? Didn't think so. TLDR: Stop buying gold (which funds the people who create bots). The cost of hiring people cable of detecting bots manually is order of magnitudes too high to even be considered.

[@jayoddity]

Indeed, but people want to be on top

[@yobrenden9570]

The bots are evlolving lmao, I remember when bots were just naked standing on one node

[@jayoddity]

The movement on some of the was slick

[@jonn1003]

Yes they sure do. I saw bots almost daily. They make there rounds and even when nodes are already taken they stop at each node as if it is not. If it was someone playing at the computer they would see that the nodes had already been harvested, mined, etc.

[@jayoddity]

That's the obvious way to identify them. Running to nodes that aren't there and trying to mine

[@Trigarta]

I think they are a problem. Every time I go gathering I see at least 3 Bots, sometimes more. Has it goten better? I have been away for a few months and to me the situation hasn't changed much. I think it is a problem and AGS need to get on it!

[@jayoddity]

I think it is a problem but wanted some context

[@jmanwalking]

Bots will be in any game that allows players to pay them to get ahead or to skip bad game design. There are really east and good measures they can use to get rid of them like picture identification.

[@jayoddity]

I think it would be nice to see AGS push more against them

[@DiMAAcadia]

Odd you would say this, since there is no p2w in this game. So there is no pay to "get ahead".

[@jmanwalking]

@@DiMAAcadia you say no pay to get ahead but when someone uses real money transactions to buy gold they are doing so to skip that gold grind. It’s more like pay to skip content. I would personally say there is not getting ahead in new world they update the game so slowly that even casuals can keep up on there 1 hour of gameplay a day. I played this game for 3 weeks and maxed everything except crafting trades . Many people have more money than time so they spend it to try to keep up with streamers and no lifers like me . And in many cases they design games in a way where all they want is your time and mmos get this worse they set the game up so things take huge amounts time and that you need to spend a lot of time doing boring crap just to get to the fun parts . They do this instead of adding risk so when you do earn that item you feel like you earned it . Or I could spend 100$ and have it in 10 min and than go have fun with it for a hour .

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@DiMAAcadia You can absolutely buy all BiS pvp gear from trading chat simply by swiping your credit card on gold buying site.

[@stevemiller6053]

Yes. I don’t know how it wax to begin with but I see these keyboard face roll named things everywhere.

[@jayoddity]

don't get why they name them like that

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@jayoddity they use a script that generates like 10 random characters. This just shows that they put no effort into this. You could easily find username generator from google and use that to make at least somewhat legitimate sounding names, but they just absolutely dont give a f*ck.

[@Azazel_Leviticus]

I have reported lots of bots over the last month. Even this 1 bot that that has been non stop farming Iron in monarch's for like 5 weeks with my entire guild reporting him daily. We are starting to wonder if if they even read the report as all.

[@jayoddity]

Ageed

[@DiMAAcadia]

To be honest, sharing the same server (and general timezone GMT {I work nights so play weird hours} I barely see any bots ever. None of my farming (and I spend 90% of my game time gathering, so I have a reasonable knowledge on it) routes have bots on them and I'd personally say even 50 per server at this point is kind of generous. I remember launch day times. Bots spamming chat selling gold. How many times do you see that nowadays? Never, so bots are clearly not being used to generste cash. Maybe personal players have set up bots for farming, but they are so few and so frequent it's barely worth raising an eyebrow over at this point.

[@jayoddity]

Yeah I don't think it's too bad.

[@OrangeFamilyOne]

Nice work sharing this with us. Lets say for the good of the example - we will manage after all to split the resources with those bots, in mmos will allways be bots, but what you do when you need garlic and there is a bot? I know what i`m doing .... ill be just a split second before him in gathering the resource and i`m fine... but when i leave he will be there gathering nonstop, and guess what hapens - the resources will finish up in TP. New World still have a bot problem and until a real GM (ironicaly not some kind of bot GM to ban out a bot player) steps in will remain a problem.

[@jayoddity]

That is how I tested it, keep stealing nodes and see the reaction

[@shivo4328]

Man farming for alchemy only today morning I had on my way 5 bots. I think its time to leave this game since I love gathering then crafting I can't do anything now just because bots got all my work for them self tbh. Servers are to small honestly for 5 bots at the same material and human.

[@jayoddity]

I just don't know another game that will be devoid of bots!

[@michaelfrederic17]

@@jayoddity Im Playing LOTRO :)

[@QT_FunkyFox]

its a easy fix called Active GMs... if a GM gets 5-10 reports from players being like hey this guy is a bot and he can place a msg on the screen where you cant miss it asking hey this is a GM im just checking to see if you are a bot or not I have gotten X amoun of reports and then continue from then on

[@jayoddity]

I do feel like real people would help solve this

[@QT_FunkyFox]

@@jayoddity mby not completely human error is still a thing but I still think that it would bring much more good then bad

[@DukeNukem2019]

I have reported 8 bots in the last 5 minutes. What in the world can we do because I almost CANNOT farm materials because of this.

[@jayoddity]

That sucks, hope they step up

[@kair0zLOL]

im not a crafting heavy player, but recently wanted to level up my trade skills and this makes it much more frustrating..

[@jayoddity]

for sure sadly

[@mgw5377]

Im starting to think amazon never did anything with the bots. The game just went of life support and they left because it wasnt profitable enough

[@jayoddity]

I think the game being less popular stopped some of the bots

[@caesargaming4727]

Reported at least 15 in just 10minutes yesterday in Yggdrasil around Windsward. Its utterly stupid how many there are.

[@jayoddity]

Where were you?

[@caesargaming4727]

@@jayoddity Around the lake by windsward. Lots also at the death mote spawns going towards amrite dungeon

[@caesargaming4727]

Reported at least 6 in the last 10 minutes while I'm currently playing. They all doing iron node loops in everfall. Its ridiculous how many there are. The people who are saying there are less bots now aren't in the low level areas where bots actually are since they need to be in areas usually with nothing that can attack them.

[@matthewfemia5945]

Crafting is already barely worth doing if resources were more scarce it would ruin the balance of the system that was made around the bots

[@jayoddity]

Agreed

[@taylormeadows1864]

I found that there are a TON of bots farming tier I crap. I am on the new server, it is a problem that they need to address. I found one fishing bot. I usually don't see them. Many people I try so hard to get back in the game the first question, did they do anything about the bots??? It's killing me to get people back. They remember when there were more bots than people. Bots are level 60 and still not in a faction is a nice clue. I myself do not use the market because of this. I buy directly off people I know. Screw these gold selling pricks they ruin games. And you are so right about buying the dup stuff. Another reason I don't use the market. I bought about 860k worth of many mats etc etc I got a temp ban not because I dupped but because they needed to purge my account!!!! I lost so much money!

[@jayoddity]

Just keep on reporting :)

[@tixoofficial]

A BIG Bot Problem!

[@jayoddity]

I think it is a problem but wanted some context

[@tixoofficial]

@@jayoddity Every Day in Monarchs Bluffs at the Motes 3-6 Bots.

[@Troy-gk8pr]

Currently the game is just busy. There are bots but its not very bad currently. Also of note ones I have reported have disappeared.

[@jayoddity]

Like it's not good but I don't think it's super bad

[@tomasanedziuch1705]

Finally, someone touched on this topic, it's a pity it's so late, it's a plague, people are washing money from the game selling gold, where 1 thousand players want to sell gold ... destroys the fun, amazon is lazy does not do much in this topic, there is none GM on a server that would get rid of bots

[@jayoddity]

Well let's hope they step up a bit

[@natecw4164]

Haven't played much since Feb. Looking forward to the fresh start servers, really hoping bots don't ruin it.

[@jayoddity]

Well bots will be in a huge queue with everyone else at first!

[@knowlesyknowles5753]

Seriously do people still buy gold and get power levelled?

[@propersod2390]

Pretty much no one buys gold. Not just because it's against the rules but who tf spends hundreds of dollars on a video game?

[@jayoddity]

I think people might buy gold, I wouldn't be shocked if some of these bots are just players who want to make gold on an alt

[@christopherdaffron8115]

I suspect that a number of the bots are actual legit players who just like to automate their farming when they aren't doing expeditions, Wars, OPR etc...

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@propersod2390 Wait...this has to be sarcastic right? I know plenty of guys who work 12 hours a day, have very limited freetime, but sh1tload of money to throw around. So they use that money to skip the grind and enjoy the good parts of the game.

[@j.d.4697]

The only people who can verify whether they are bots or not are AGS. They can do things like monitoring their input stream for example, so best to report them. I don't see how botting could be profitable in a $40 game where you also have to grind for hours and days to become proficient enough. Maybe they are counting on not getting caught cause I don't see how they could afford buying new accounts and lvling new characters over and over again.

[@jayoddity]

That's the thing, if AGS had one person in gaming banning them, they might even pay back their wage on sales!

[@teemumiettinen7250]

Its the same as WoW bots, they buy the sub, then hope that the bot makes it long enough to turn profit before getting banned. WoW bot would realistically make around 2€ / hour which would mean that it needs to survive 8 hours to turn profit.

[@iamjps]

I see bots almost everywhere I go especially first light

[@jayoddity]

sad times

[@Malkaras]

100% bots are problem. On my old server I would run into 5-8 bots around the WW Hemp/Ironwood spawn, they even had A Group of them all in the same guild

[@jayoddity]

Sure they are a problem for New World, I gues smy point is, that it's not a NEw World specific problem

[@juliawolf4961]

But as you said yourself it isn´t that hard to identify a bot if you follow it a few minutes. So one or two GMs on every server could help to fix the bot problem.

[@jayoddity]

But they have to have a higher burden of proof you'd think.

[@rugdoc97]

@@jayoddity not likely ive heard people getting banned for no reason all the time on this game from mass reporting. The provide no information why

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@rugdoc97 Yeah. The people who run massive bot farms (they sell the gold for real life currency) also use bots to report other players so their bots get more money.

[@theflyhamster6912]

You found 5 bots in 30 min. How does AGA not have somebody that jumps from server to server doing this same thing.

[@jayoddity]

Yeah real people would probably help

[@christopherdaffron8115]

Yeah, it's not like New World has a ton of servers anymore. They could manage this with a small number of dedicated AGS employees. It wouldn't eliminate them but could serve as a deterrent.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

Them not doing this astounds me also. It wouldnt be hard at all to do and find plenty of mischief to remove from the game.

[@Huron2010A]

Because it costs money to hire human beings.

[@ilootyouhoot8578]

Never coke across bots in new world.. just actual players hogging all the nodes in the game… as server is packed

[@jayoddity]

that is an issue for sure

[@marcin4913]

on the other hand, would argue that in New World all PVE players are bots, they gather materials so the PVP boys can just buy them with War money

[@jayoddity]

lol that's alll good

[@arcikbal]

there is still a bunch of them which some of them is lv 60

[@jayoddity]

Yeah which is crazy. I should have mentioned, all the ones I saw were 60i think

[@Kore_Invalid]

there are defently some boots but its far faar better then it was after launch, i think we can never rly completly get rid of them no matter how much they bann theyre gonne be more. overall i think AGS handeling on bots is pretty good atm i think it has improved a lot.

[@jayoddity]

I sort of agree, I don't think it's too bad, not amazingly great but not awful

[@KainRazielMT]

@@jayoddity Dude, are you kidding me? I'm on my SECOND day of this game, trying to run iron path, and I've seen SIX bots in the past two hours running the same exact path, running to resource nodes (whether depleted or not), stopping momentarily and going to the next. If I beat them to the punch and farm the node, they still try to farm it; typical bot behaviour. If the game had any sort of human overwatch (GMs, admins???), this kind of thing could be all but eradicated in a couple of weeks. Just think of how many people try to farm and spot bots along the way. All it would take is a couple of minutes to get a bot banned. The truth is, AGS wants these bots around to inflate their player numbers. This, in turn, suckers in more players, selling them the false picture that a lot of people play this game, when, in fact, at least 20-30% of the population is just bots.

[@jayoddity]

@@KainRazielMT So I think the hype has probably caused some bots to come back!

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@KainRazielMT Yeah AGS wants the bots around. This same thing happened with runescape, runescape says theres 60k players, more like 50k bots and max 10k players.

[@pogo6543211111111]

i'm a commited crafter and i report at least a bot a day. spetialy around popular motes and mining nodes.

[@jayoddity]

Keep doing the good work!

[@Timmy2Knocks]

What you did not address is the TP bot which I believe is a different beast. On my server it list things at a low price and just one off. If you look at the listings you can see which TP it is listing the items from then travel to that TP and find the bot. If I look at the TP now I can see a bot listing stuff at Windsward at low prices and only one item. This is not a player as players tend to buy all the items and leave one item rather than post and if your purchase that item it gets released constantly no matter the time of day. I've reported loads of TP bots

[@jayoddity]

I think they are a little hard to quantify basically, I have no idea how many there are and it's hard to prove bots as well. But saying they don't exist

[@xeekae]

Erratic is an understatement

[@jayoddity]

heh :P

[@terabyter9000]

What's it to you if I play more than 12 hours a day? That's an odd metric to judge by. Easier to see how characters answer questions than anything else.

[@jayoddity]

lol I didn't mean anything by that, I was trying to say maybe you could find bots by people with unrealistic lengths of play, maybe like 24 hours for example

[@krstak707]

You can actually find bot download links on youtube... So yeah, it is a problem or will be a big problem if more people start using them.

[@jayoddity]

What? Where?

[@krstak707]

@@jayoddity kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmnJZJirh5KGo5o 2 more i think in comment section...

[@krstak707]

1 removed from the last time i watched.

[@mikefaz2696]

yes, but it's fun to run around with them and collect the resources before they do

[@jayoddity]

yeah I use them to just get the mats with less effort

[@ArturHawkwing351]

I've been doing a lot of gathering lately and bots are present but definitely not the biggest issue with scarcity. It is really just too many players for the resources available. There are some real no life losers that will be at the same place for 10 hour stretches, always non PvP too.

[@HairBeard]

Weird argue that someone is a loser if he has a unique playstyle or do it beside work etc ;)

[@jayoddity]

That's some times the point of an MMO

[@j.d.4697]

Swole Benji? That toxic troll is infesting NW now too?

[@jayoddity]

I just wanted to see if he had a point :)

[@atruelion4518]

The Lost Ark bots have found Aeternum!😱

[@jayoddity]

lol the game would be on 200k players

[@atruelion4518]

@@jayoddity 😂😂

[@bonbarmandrink]

Well to be honest, players dont want to farm. Bots are parts of an ecosystem. As long as they arent a nuisance to the common player, its fine to have them. Ags is actualy doing a good job to regulate them

[@jayoddity]

I think this hurts the small % of people who do want to farm though

[@bonbarmandrink]

@@jayoddity im not so sure. Sometime i like to chil and go farm some nodes and why not. Never had a problem with the bots. I know they are here and they take the ressources, but there is still a shit load of spots to get what you need. Im on nysa and thats a huge server

[@teemumiettinen7250]

@@bonbarmandrink Nysa is currently overrun by bots. I see 15 bots in windsward farming hemp anytime of the day. Also sh1tload of mining and woodcutting bots.

[@ZombieSlyer1776]

i play on valhalla and i honestly havent seen a bot in a long time

[@luccienv]

Same but i haven’t really been looking for them either

[@jayoddity]

Try looking...I don't mean that as a disrespectful way but I was the same

[@MaJieMao]

Servers are massively crowded and bots taking what left.

[@jayoddity]

What server?

[@egmogaming5192]

Yes, there is countless bots in nearly all major towns on my server. We have reported every single one of them and there has been no action taken. They are STILL roaming around on their daily routines, logging and mining. This might be not as bad on other servers but on my server, Abaton, it's a huge problem. Infact there's even a group of bots mining Orichalcum and Starmetal Ores in the endgame zones, which is crazy. We tried to do the old camp strategy to trap them and they adapted to that and managed to avoid the trap. TLDR; yes it's still a major issue, and it seems their AI is getting more undetectable and advanced edit note: 'we' is the company I'm in and all the bots have the same names just different numbers at the end of the name for example: 'lucky551'

[@ArturHawkwing351]

Clueless

[@jayoddity]

Let's hope AGs put some know effort into detection

[@rjregner]

Group bot farm on major trophy boss drops, my group of friends has recordings on this.

[@jayoddity]

actually killing mobs? that's interesting

[@wowfoelifewarcrack3297]

Lots around windsward

[@jayoddity]

oddly only saw one in WW but I can believe that

[@deadweight1020]

The bots and resource camping in general is bad. I am at the point where paying real world cash for in game gold is a better use of time than harvesting.

[@jayoddity]

And this causes more of the same issue sadly

[@deadweight1020]

@@jayoddity Quite true, that is why I have not done it. If AGS gave some kind of solution, like a house 'pet' that can be leveled up and provides daily materials, even fee based, I would be down for it.

[@sasmambaslater4954]

Бро боты это ужас, я люблю заниматься собирательством, когда немного устаю, иду и собираю растения и руду, я заметил что руды постоянно нет, и бегает 5 ботов по одному и тому же маршруту, боты убивают мои приятные ощущения от провождения времени в игре

[@jayoddity]

Будем надеяться, что AGS сможет что-то с ними сделать. Я использую гугл переводчик!

[@Altarknight]

i keep watching streamers about NW and i more more usre about that game .... to not play it ! but i will keep cheking you about news i like ur videos honest and pointed on realm things .. not bala bal intro not balbal outro! so cool keep it liek this ! you got my like!

[@jayoddity]

Thank you, I think the game will have phases, if something tickles you fancy try it, if not, hope you enjoy other mmos :)

[@codyrogers918]

Wait are bots from Amazon or like players creating cheats

[@jayoddity]

Cheating players