$229,000 Loudspeakers Versus $9500 Loudspeaker - How Close Are They?

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[@TheHomeExpert5]

The only speaker anybody in this price range should consider is the Martin logan's, the electrostatic panel gives them a huge advantage in Clarity and production of sound.

[@tallpaull9367]

A1 with those REL Subs vs the big Magicos is the only way to do a real comparison. A1 vs biggies without subs is a joke, let’s be real

[@CarlVanDoren61]

Well spoken 👏

[@glennpower1962]

Stating the obvious right there

[@michelplouffe7934]

You have to put a high pass filter on the little one and with a good set-up I am sure you will be very close to the big one. Perhaps better because with the sub you can optimize the bass response what you can not always do with the big one.

[@abdulmokta48]

I have a 528se REL masterpiece

[@Averagejoe-p1i]

i got a REL 2000watt sub for a $100 from a audio installation company. its the size of a washing machine.

[@steenstube]

My experience says, that the room size determins the area of the diaphragm. So, in midsize and large rooms, you need to have larger woofer, and in most cases more than one woofer per cabinet. At higher listening levels, the bookshelfes woofer can't "grip" the air nearly as good as floorspeakers with larger diaphragm. And, when too small woofer are pushed to make large excursions, the distortion increases - today less that few years ago as magnetsystem construction and voicecoils material are improved. In larger rooms, a standmount speaker simpli can't make it with full frequency music signals. Plus, a speaker with high effiency, say 94dB, needs a lot less power amplification than a 87dB bookshelf speaker. I don't agree that a large woofer needs a large power amp, but most customers feels that fits better, so that is easy to sell - and if you have a very large room, and want to create 110dB in peaks, yeah then a large power amp is nice to have.

[@stephenyoud6125]

Try the Linn 360’s with Organik / Utopik and the Next Generation Klimax DSM. Probably better and way cheaper for the whole system. Fully active with dedicated amps and servo subs.

[@elderinmoi1571]

Why didnt you play some music ? Would be so much more interesting to compare them side by side just for the fun of it. Or did I just miss that over all that talking ?

[@robfrancis8690]

Great description, Jay. You're getting better with each video. Thanks Brother!

[@geminijinxies7258]

Even if the size difference is huge, these two Magico's have more things in common than the PS Audio FR5 had with the A1. So Magico definitively got a signature house sound!

[@Averagejoe-p1i]

sonus faber is better

[@geminijinxies7258]

@@Averagejoe-p1i Probably. But the comparison is only between PS Audio and Magico.

[@rd1992-l3j]

You are right on about the need for proper associated equipment. I upgraded to a loudspeaker with 85 dBA sensitivity and 4 ohm impedance, with minimums of 2 ohms in the power hungry bass frequencies. I had to get a high current, class A biased amp to avoid clipping the low bass and properly drive the speaker. Thank you for this interesting comparison.

[@PickanPop]

Coming from someone with as much experience with high-end speakers, that's quite the endorsement of the Q7! When oh when though are you going to get some YG's or Von Schwikert's in the lab Jay? Maybe give Rockport's or Stenheim's some love?

[@peterw2714]

He already did the big Rockports

[@reasonableaudiophile2377]

I would love to see Stenheim’s

[@jaysaudiolab]

You never know ..

[@glennpower1962]

Bingo on the Crossover statement, I had in the past the JL Audio CR1 (crossover) in conjunction with ATC speakers and a pair of JL Fathom subs, worked very very well and with a seemless integration

[@tallpaull9367]

Warning: If the USA puts a Tariff on Canada we'll have to stop buying USA products as much as possible. And likely some from other Countries would support us this way too. Let's hope it doesn't come to this, we're so much better off as friends and Allies. You would be shocked at how much Canada buys from the USA. We are the ones who are actually in a Trade deficit with the USA, the ones who should actually be charging a tax to do so much business here. As you can tell, we are quite offended. We have been such a strong supporter of the USA for so long.

[@howardskeivys4184]

If I’d paid $9500 for a pair of speakers, regardless of whether they were desktop, bookshelf, stand mount or floor standing towers and the woofers “popped”, maxed out at 80db, I’d return them as unfit for purpose.

[@hishamhussein4282]

Interesting review but wondering why you didn't compare the A1 to the FR 5...

[@mrpmj00]

yep, i love my PS Audio FR5 speakers with NAD c298 amp. -- source=apple music lossless quality

[@SonicJourneys-lo1rk]

If 230k speakers are close to 9.5k speakers which recently polled almost equal to $3500 aspens, which cost about $1k in materials.... This means😅😂 🎉

[@abdulmokta48]

Ripoff and beyond overpriced

[@DeepHorizon3773]

Major-Breakthrough for speakers ! Oneiros Audio Loudspeakers ! Stereophile said they sounded like LIVE MUSIC playing...

[@kcr2365]

Any chance you can review Ascend Acoustics ELX tower? They are a lesser known brand but the ELX line of speakers is Klippel NFS optimized and is objectively comparable to any top speaker out there irrespective of its price

[@streobug54]

There was A smaller stand Mount You were Very Impressed by a year ago or so. Fink Team Kim i have only heard it over You tube But It sounded Really good and a easy Load to Drive for a Tube Amp. Wonder if you will ever go back and Explore Them. No dealers around here in NY area. Thanks For all Your Hard Work Good Luck Always.

[@brown-eyedman4040]

Keep on "keepin' it real" Jay. My experience: While 'bookshelf' speakers can do many things well, they can't take control of every molecule of air in the room the way large floor standers can. In a small room however, or when the listening position gets too close, the sound from all the drivers can't integrate into a whole. So, small room: stand mounts with a sub, large room: floor standers.

[@ozkol6552]

All tweeter by Magico series are same 1.1" in tweeter size and I think only the Q series are 1" tweeters. And all drivers (Except A1 woofer) build by Morel in Israel.

[@brentcollins9727]

Thanks Jay!!!

[@adsph]

Thanks for sharing Jay

[@jaysaudiolab]

You bet

[@rickjames9544]

Well after spending a good deal of time watching your channel for a second time I think I've finally had enough. Firstly small speakers will only not go with your super high end electronics when you think you need to listen at 110db spl. Course its not gonna sound like an AC/DC concert at most likely 120 to 130 db. But thats not far from standing 30 feet away from a jet airplane taking off at 130 to 140 db.85 to 90db is loud as hell in a 15foot by 20footroom. Pick your poison. Secondly the you tube algorythem has an average frequency response of 500 to 8,000hertz. Human hearing is possible from 20 to 20,000hertz. Most humans by the age of 25 are lucky to hear above 15,000 hertz. With the exception of most women who haven't been physically abused by their piece of shit other half. So the majority of men and women can easily hear all the sound the algorythem can put out. No matter how loud you turn it up that's all. So if you think any music over you tube can tell how any piece of equipment really sounds, I've got a piece of swamp land ind Florida you might love also. Thirdlyeven though my first two comments are the honest truth, just check them out if you don't believe me,if you Jay, had hooked up a pair of subwoofers to either of those two standmounts 90 % of your subscribers would have declared them to stomp all over those big Magicos And 20 to 30% of them would have wanted at the very to nuy a pair of those FR-5's or A-5's Whichever they could most easily afford. And you"d of probably made more money than you'll ever make trying to sell those big Magicos. And finally most likely 75 to 90 % of your subscribers could actually afford to buy any of your super high dollar equipment. Sorry to say that but I'm sure you've already seen that. And maybe make almost as much money off you-tube as selling the equipment you buy. Anyway good luck with your chsnnel, hope you eventually make enough money to survive.

[@peter3728]

are you sure its not a tilted up high frequency that leads you to believe they are "more clear"? Another wasted opportunity to not run a quick frequency response test to support what you hear. I know I'm a broken record but you have a unique opportunity with such a huge range of speakers moving through the lab to run some simple tests that can support your listening observations. Ron at New record day and Erins audio corner are leading the way in this area. Blending objective snd subjective evaluation will make us all smarter.

[@mddawson1]

You should compare the $10,900 Arendal 1528 Tower 8 speakers to both Magicos.

[@glenncurry3041]

Nice fill in piece after the FR5 series. Stepping back into the big guys.

[@jaysaudiolab]

You know it

[@glalih]

Pull a curveball with old vs new in the same MSRP at the time of the sale. Id like to know what Sonus Faber of old could do against a Magico in the same room with the same amplification, source and room tempering.

[@dannyrichie9743]

I love the comparison video's. Jay> "I don't think there is a stand mounted speaker, regardless of price, that can compete with the Magico Q7" Man, I would love to take that challenge. I'd have to bring you a stand mounted speaker and a pair of our servo subs, as a four piece system, to go head to head full range, but no problem. I'd be willing to bet that I can better them in imaging, sound stage layering, separation, better vocals, tighter bass (servo control), and deeper bass (flat to 20Hz), and for a fraction of the price. Even for less than the price of the stand mounted speakers, subs and all. Does that sound interesting?

[@Eric-q9n]

Jay, I’m surprised you never broke out the stands for the A1’s.The Magico’s look funky sitting on the wrong stands. Plus, I think there would have been a benefit sonically. Oh well, still an intriguing comparison anyway.The Big Bad Wolf says “I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I coddle those little baby A1’s”.

[@jaysaudiolab]

No time man.

[@CarlVanDoren61]

LoL Bluesound streamer 😊 Jay's riding a high horse 🐎

[@jaysaudiolab]

You know it

[@jazzlouise]

You can't beat physics! That being said, it would be interesting to bring in the new Acora standmounts.

[@calmic75]

Both the new Acora's floor & standmounts are amazing!

[@ogopogo1397]

King of the dumbest videos, that make no sense by a guy that clearly has ego issues and a fragile little boy inside trying to compensate so desperately

[@skipgordon5382]

You mention db levels often. What filter are you using. A vs C makes at least a 5 or 6 db difference.

[@bistek77]

Jay! Do a review of the Diablo 333 , please !

[@MK-rn2hm]

I paid my car off instead

[@gadymarcus2362]

Bello/Magnifico.🙏✡️✡️✡️✡️✡️✡️👑

[@kevin-zd4po]

Review some fisher&fisher.

[@davidcross890]

Not so sure those perform at the performance levels touted so loudly. It seems any real questions of improvement s that may be desired is met with hostility and getting comments blocked...rather pathetic no measurements only verbal hype of how great. Do I think they are better than some decent speakers...sure but I highly doubt they part the red sea especially when they rely on a loud mouths afraid of real high performance comparisons

[@kevin-zd4po]

@@davidcross890 . they made out of the best material slate. and if u would find those used wich I highly doubt the price would be close to new.increible resell value. and the speaker overall is the best value by far. I live in ny so I have access to everything.

[@jjinglenuts]

Difference is ......the Stand.

[@Coneman3]

I like this new strategy of yours to assess price performance ratios

[@BA-ng7vt]

Magico A1 should be compared to the iconic and magic speaker Rogers BBC LS 3/5a

[@A-gks]

A1 with dual subs will never equal an A5. Simply because the midbass woofer on the A1 is not a dedicated midrange driver and has inherently more compromises than the dedicated midrange driver of the A5. Besides, the A5 was the first model to use the aluminum honeycomb midrange driver that was not present on the A1. Also better crossover components.

[@John-i2d2k]

Any speaker? That costs more than a $100000. Is a waste. hundred thousand dollar audio cables What a joke !

[@davidcross890]

Only a joke because you CANNOT EASILY OWN THEM?

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

​@@davidcross890why get triggered and post such a hollow reply ? You don't know how much money people on KZbin have.

[@davidcross890]

@LemonySnicket-EUC please establish your import or significance or relevance other than a JAFO, if not or unable your ideology or Idiocracy or pretenses of presence are summarily to be dismissed as unsubstantiated comment fodder?

[@Averagejoe-p1i]

no one has bookshelf speakers. so this comparison is a waste of time.

[@mrpmj00]

I love my new PS Audio FR5 stand mount speakers My video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2m8pKCPg7F1mLssi=8FaZpfSnQ1qepN-5 Source=Apple Music lossless quality

[@kevin-zd4po]

I bet the top of the line fisher&fisher will blow away your magicos.

[@mitchp-f9v]

have you listened to F&F in real life much?

[@reinhard1888]

I doubt it. I listened to Fisher&Fisher in the 30K range when I considered purchasing them. I found Magico A5 and S3 much better, more engaging. They are a very different flavor.

[@kevin-zd4po]

@@reinhard1888 I’ve heard there $80k model. Insane. Made out of slate. U cannot beat that.

[@kevin-zd4po]

@@mitchp-f9v yes

[@kevin-zd4po]

@ yes

[@chewy560]

A meaningless comparison for most of the subscribers to this channel.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Yep

[@carminedesanto6746]

Good morning 🍩☕️☃️☃️ I’m being educated,thank you.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Good morning!

[@jaysaudiolab]

Let’s do this guys

[@BobbyDazzler888]

If the woofer is bottom out above 80db, just run a high pass filter and cut off the sub bass. Then low pass a pair of timbre matched subs.

[@farhanakhtar8252]

Jay what do you do for a living to afford speakers like that? I need to do what you do🤣🤣

[@jaysaudiolab]

Work

[@JamesPA-y8q]

🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍👍👍👍👍👍

[@hannulager6197]

Why these vs when it doesn’t give anything. Off course the bigger and more expensive one’s sounds grater. Only advantage for the small ones is smaller room. By the way, you talk too much 🤣

[@xsamitt]

By the way your very rude!

[@DANVIIL]

Thanks for the comparison.

[@jaysaudiolab]

@@xsamittindeed

[@MdeBoer1]

More dumb comparisons

[@jaysaudiolab]

And you are watching lol😅

[@MdeBoer1]

@@jaysaudiolab Actually didn't, I'm just a jealous hater commenting on your videos

[@NeutronizedDjango]

Why not try ATC SCM 300 or the latest model above it for comparison with the big Magico loudspeakers? The sonic characteristics will be different but for sure the ATCs will appeal to some of the audiences plus they are cheaper and less imposing in the weight category.

[@abdulmokta48]

This is not smooth, after run Inn 100 hours it's ear bleeding Treble is 50khz which is bright fatigue sharp resolution super sonic