Spurs after 2014 to getting Wemby or Tatum timeline
@blondecai1719 ай бұрын
50 wins as an 8th seed in 2008. I still can’t believe they’re lowest seed to clinch 50 wins during that season.
@notmoe35279 ай бұрын
The West is Stacked As Hell Man
@mymagicisntgivingup59089 ай бұрын
Schedules in the 2000's were stacked.
@johnnybraxton55399 ай бұрын
The wild west toughest conference for the longest
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
So stacked
@G-TV_TheOneManArmy9 ай бұрын
Closest was probably was 2014-15 season I believe 7 or 6 teams out of the top 8 win 50 at the very least
@SheeshCurry719 ай бұрын
Melo in 2006: Brawl vs the Knicks Melo in 2011: Joined the Knicks
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
What a turnaround lol
@BoneRazrK9 ай бұрын
As a Nuggets fan, those Spurs and Lakers defeats were demoralizing as hell.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
So tough
@jeffreylasky27379 ай бұрын
The Clippers playoff loss was worse Then the loss in 13 to Golden State was crushing
@bigdollabill74263 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@johnnick7759 ай бұрын
Hope you do all of this suggestion Jason kidd new jersey nets era Clyde drexler blazers era Kevin garnett twolves era Patrick ewing era Patrick ewing career timeline Jayson tatum career timeline Charlotte hornets 1990s to 2000s era Phoenix suns charles barkley era Allen Iverson 76ers era Reggie miller pacers era Reggie miller career timeline Tim duncan career timeline Michael jordan bulls 2nd 3peat John stockton and Karl Malone Jazz era Chris webber career timeline Atlanta hawks 2000s era Thank you so much you for uploading this vid
@edloteyro55639 ай бұрын
Clyde Drexler and Patrick Ewing Timeline would be fun to watch
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Thanks for these suggestions
@jeffreylasky27379 ай бұрын
As a Nuggets fan since 1993, it always irritates me when people say the Nuggets never gave Melo any ‘help’ This video proves to all of those who say that- including Melo- they were all full of it. I’ll always love Melo for saving the franchise, but he had loads of talents around him in his time in Denver
@MrLp19809 ай бұрын
But Too many powerhouses Melo had to face from 2003-10. Spurs, Twolves one year in 2004, Suns, Mavs, and Lakers. Duncan, Garnett, Nash, Dirk, and Kobe won MVPs with their teams. Meanwhile his draft classmates Wade and Lebron had easier paths to the finals in 2006 and 2007 respectively. Your Nuggets finally got one but Just bad timing during Melo era.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Very well said
@its_mikey_p46719 ай бұрын
Great video. Been a nuggets fan since 99. Through all the ups and downs we still gotta respect melo for his time in denver what a player
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Thanks man
@nathanhotte19989 ай бұрын
The Nuggets have being struggling in round 1 when Carmelo is on the team, somehow in November 2008 the trade when Chauncey Billups to the Nuggets was a good fit, but for Allen Iverson when he came to Detroit it’s injuries back then
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Facts man
@JoeBro9159 ай бұрын
Chauncey was just a winner. He and Melo complimented one another perfectly. Shame we barely got time out of that duo
@Riles31529 ай бұрын
One of the best moves that Denver made during Melo's prime, was trading past prime Allen Iverson for still prime and much better leader and pure PG Chauncey Billups. The Nuggets took off. Melo played arguably the best ball of his career, and then wound up in the WCF. That team was good enough to win a championship. No question. They just ran into that guy they called "Mamba" and the eventual champion Lakers.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
They had the potential
@richardstevens36659 ай бұрын
These are very well done. Basketball been with me as long as I can remember and re-visiting these timelines helped me put a good perspective of what the league and teams were going through. Almost seems like a blur sometimes however these videos help. Thank you
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Very much appreciated man
@dreklls9 ай бұрын
This dude was my hero back then! Thank u man for this! Awesome work and much love from the Philippines! 🇵🇭✌🏼 #StayMe7o
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot man!
@kman484ify9 ай бұрын
What’s crazy to me is once they traded everyone they got better they still went to the playoffs damn near every year and u still got eliminated in the first round, so no matter whether Melo was there, or whether he wasn’t there he only made it to the second round what twice three times maybe during a what 9 year period in Denver
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
That's true
@danielroshunsmith63519 ай бұрын
Another great video by Jay Jay Warvz 🔥🔥🔥
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot man
@danielroshunsmith63519 ай бұрын
@@jaywarvz no problem keep the videos coming bruh
@hydeseaick25879 ай бұрын
Unfortunately for him, the Western conference was very strong at at that moment, and he didn't get the right help until the last years of the 2000's
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
So unfortunate
@hydeseaick25879 ай бұрын
@@jaywarvz yes
@TBCLINQ9 ай бұрын
melo retired with the worst time in 2023 , seeing his team win a chip . It would be simple if he wished to sign the team. Although , the melo nuggets team without a doubt has some struggle issues in the stacked west , only the nuggets in the Melo era reached the west finals getting defeated by the Lakers.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Indeed man
@LRT14419 ай бұрын
Another great vid
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Thanks man
@Swimmingpoolinaswimmingpool9 ай бұрын
Cant blame melo, he fought so hard for the championship but its not enough even the team makes their best to have supportive casts for him.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
That's true
@MandyGoldenGoddessFan9 ай бұрын
Great video as always Jay also my NBA Timeline Suggestion is Marcus Smart my reasoning for picking Marcus Smart is for three reasons 1. I am a Celtics fan, 2. He is/was my favorite Celtic and 3. I would like to revisit his Celtics career if you do Smart thank you ☘️☘️
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Noted man
@Abognvm8 ай бұрын
Yo good looks! You actually made this timeline vid! 🔥👌🏼
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the support man
@nathanmitchell65009 ай бұрын
excellent work!
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jaybev34699 ай бұрын
The goat has uploaded💯🔥
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Very much appreciated man
@Bapestar2349 ай бұрын
Damn Melo had some rough performances in the playoffs his first few seasons
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Indeed man
@opbotslol35819 ай бұрын
I just realized they had their best record without Melo
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Because nuggets played team basketball
@JoeBro9159 ай бұрын
@@jaywarvzthat team got smacked by a lower seed in the first round and then their all star pulled a KD
@natelovaconner9 ай бұрын
Legend! Whoever makes the finals this year please do an updated timeline on how they got there if you can! It’d be awesome to see leading up to it🔥
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Noted man!
@the.bot_killer2349 ай бұрын
Could you do NFL timelines?
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
I only make basketball timelines
@livindalife9 ай бұрын
Keep these coming pls
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Sure will do
@alrs10069 ай бұрын
Melo in the top 5 bucket getters of all time
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
No doubt
@kben1019 ай бұрын
Can you do a part 2 with Melo and the Knicks Thunder and how he got waived by Rockets
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Noted man
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
THE DENVER NUGGETS ARE GOLDEN GENIUS TEAM BOTH DEFENSIVELY AND OFFENSIVE FROM MISTAKE TO HERO OF THE WESTERN CONFERENCE FINAL THIS DENVER NUGGETS ARE BEST TEAM IN THE NBA SEASON IT'S NOW TIME TO THE NUGGET TIME
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Yeah man
@jcr3ative9 ай бұрын
4:30 I’m sad that that clip didn’t age well 😔
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Yeah. He dreamt a championship
@ethanroar35079 ай бұрын
Please make a video about Kyle Korver’s career
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Soon man
@neilbryanbucsit1979 ай бұрын
I remember being so hyped about the Iverson trade but turns out it looks good only on paper
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
That's true
@opbotslol35819 ай бұрын
Gotta love how 1 year they were the 7th seed with 49 wins, then the next season they were the 3rd seed with 44 wins
@crank609 ай бұрын
During the 2000s there was a time where your seeding in the conference was determined by where you were seeded in your division, so you would have 2 60 win teams in the same division and the lower 60 win squad would be a a 5th seed in the conference because of it, or even a 40 win team as the 3rd seed because they're the best in the division, it was really stupid and made zero sense
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Division standings man
@Allentheman9 ай бұрын
So sad that melo didn't get a ring but denver melo is a beast especially 06 07 season were he scored 29 ppg
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Indeed
@MrLp19809 ай бұрын
If they don’t run into Kobe and Lakers they probably win the 2009 title. With that title no telling what that could have started with Melo as the leader. Melo faced some tough competition in west 2004-10. The Spurs, Suns, Mavs, and Lakers were powerhouses during that era. Wade and Lebron played in a weak east was why they made it to finals 2006 and 2007 respectively.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Well i agree
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
FINALLY THE DENVER NUGGETS ARE BACK TO THE NBA PLAYOFFS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1995 3:17
@BolBol11Suns9 ай бұрын
Can you do drazen petrovic
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Soon man
@joesmith87256 ай бұрын
Lol Melo. Whined his way out of Denver (tough Western Conference) to go joined the New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets or NY Knicks (weak Eastern Conference) despite the Nets and Knicks sucking back then. Nuggets were tuff, good team just needed some pieces and effort to get over the top. The Nuggets were better than the Knicks and Nets back then. Denver is a mid/small market while those teams in the East were the big markets. Melo and his wife are from the east coast, NY. So that was a big factor. His actress, model wife ( LaLa ) thought that Denver was a boring rural city in the Rocky Mountains, wanted the glitz and glamour back in NY to further her career. So off they went to NY. A decade later the Nuggets wins their first NBA championship with better, hard working loyal stars like Jokic and Murray. NY Knicks in the meantime are still waiting for their first NBA championship since 1973. The End.
@jaywarvz6 ай бұрын
Very well said man
@Brian000078 ай бұрын
I miss those Denver jerseys of the 2000s-early 2010s
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Classic
@SevenSly9 ай бұрын
Can you do dikemebe mutombo timeline
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Soon man
@SevenSly9 ай бұрын
@@jaywarvz no worries just interested, because he played so many years in the league by the looks of it and had many iconic teams that’s just never won the championship.
@allenparedes61329 ай бұрын
NBA West 2000s was STACKED. Someone had to lose in that era.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Definitely
@nbapbaupdate83389 ай бұрын
Carmelo Anthony PROFESSIONAL SCORER but ZERO DEFENSE A
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
True
@yomamasofat778 ай бұрын
Do a timeline of Bird 's Celtics and Dr J's Sixers
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Sure man
@masterm1559 ай бұрын
@ Jay Warvz thank you so much. Now everyone can see why the Denver Nuggets shouldn't retire his jersey number.Joker lost in the 1 round only one time to the eventual champions GSW.All other times he lead the franchise to Western Conference Finals.Melo should watch his mouth and shut them down if he has any self honesty about his time in Denver.He is a Knicks legend but nothing else.
@tylercanton38369 ай бұрын
lol what? I got news for you Jokic would have been out in the first round back then too.
@masterm1559 ай бұрын
@@tylercanton3836 how do you know that. Classic Yankee what if scenario.West back then was similar streinght than now.Maybe even weaker.You only had Spurs, Lakers and Suns back then compared to Clippers, Lakers,Warriors,Suns.Back then Mavs,Kings,Jazz and Rockets would be a peace of cake for Jokić led Nuggets.Plus Jokic only had 1 All Star or All NBA player on his roster for his career(Paul Millsap), while Anthony had more help than Joker(Iverson, Chauncey, Camby,Martin). Face it Melo is weak soft.ss while Joker even when he loose doesn't complain to anyone.Plus Joker has 1 ring as a Nugget to Melos 0 ring of he's whole career.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
That's true
@tylercanton38369 ай бұрын
@@masterm155 west is weaker now than it was back then. Spurs, Suns, Rockets, Lakers, Blazers, Grizzlies, Kings, and Timberwolves. Then the Deron Williams Jazz team went to the WCFs in 07. The west was open not even the spurs could repeat. They were getting beaten by teams like the grizzlies, and mavericks who were 50-60 win teams.
@masterm1559 ай бұрын
@@tylercanton3836 Only the Suns,Lakers and Spurs where serious title contenders back then.Mavs, Grizzlies,Kings(after 2002) where a joke play off teams.So as the Jazz,Jazz, Blazers and Timberwolves.They where not a super star led teams.Today you have a teams that are constructed to beat Nuggets, Lakers,Suns, Clippers and Warriors.Face it.I watched both 2000,2010 and 2020 era and for me the best is the 2020 beacous of the possibilty of someone other than the Lakers and Warriors wining the championship.
@滋榎本9 ай бұрын
Carmelo Anthony is often cited as an example of an overrated player. In particular, the brawl that occurred during the game between the Nuggets and the Knicks on December 16, 2006 still leaves an impression on me.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Feels like malice at the palace
@StrikeBuster-b2b8 ай бұрын
1:10 say that again..
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Hard to pronounce
@johnnybraxton55399 ай бұрын
The nuggets never had good defense that was they problem couldn't stop a nose bleed
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Indeed man
@gigabyte95849 ай бұрын
I’m confused, didn’t you post a timeline about Carmelo and the Nuggets already?
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Only about melo's career timeline
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
IN DECEMBER 06 THEY TRADE BY ALLEN IVERSON FROM PHILADELPHIA TO DENVER 8:33
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS SERIES IT'S OVER THE NUGGETS FELL SHORT TO THE NBA FINALS IN THE 6 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINAL GAMES 13:51
@gianniasmaro9 ай бұрын
44-38 as a third seed that’s just insane
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Division standings
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
THE DENVER NUGGETS ADVANCED TO THE WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1985 13:29
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
THE WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS AGAINST LOS ANGELES LAKERS UNDER KOBE BRYANT AND PAU GASOL 13:39
@jaime_a_mendozaiii20009 ай бұрын
I like to see The Portland Trailblazers ... Either Clyde Drexler Era or JailBlazers Era ( try take a look either between 1998 or 1999 , then on 2000 when they made it to WCF ..after that ...a whole lot of sh"t begin )
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Sure man
@KHRecruit-rh2tu8 ай бұрын
Shld do a timeline of Carmelo failing in every team
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Noted man
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
THE FORMER NUMBER 1 PICK KENYON MARTIN SIGNED AND TRADE WITH DENVER FOR 6 YEARS UNTIL 2010 4:09
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
HOWHERE UNFORTUNATELY ALLEN IVERSON NOT USED TO POINT GUARD POSITION SO GEORGE KARL TO USED TO SHOOTING GUARD POSITION OR SIT OF THE BENCH USED TO 6TH MAN 8:55
@maxkeller28669 ай бұрын
Do derozan plsssssss
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Sure man
@gamingwithgab65639 ай бұрын
But Denver finally won a championship for almost 40 year's
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
What a great run
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE NUGGETS CENTER DIKEMBE MUTOMBO LEFT THE TEAM SIGNED TO ATLANTA HAWKS 0:35
@ezile179 ай бұрын
Can u do timeline of players like GILBERT ARENAS BARON DAVIS DERON WILLIAMS STEVE FRANCIS MONTA ELLIS JASON RICHARDSON DANNY GRANGER CARON BUTLER ANTAWN JAMISON JARMAINE O NEAL
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Thanks for these suggestions
@ezile179 ай бұрын
@@jaywarvz many players are underrated in early 2000's LARRY HUGHES RASHARD LEWIS JOE JOHNSON PEJA STOJAKOVIC LAMAR ODOM STROMAL? SWIFT KENNY THOMAS JOHN SALMONS MICHAEL REDD JAMAL CROWFORD AMARE STOUDEMIRE CARLOS BOOZER CHRIS BOSH DAVID WEST KRIS KAMAN RIP HAMILTON TASHUAN PRINCE BEN WALLACE CHUNCEY BILLUPS RASHEED WALLACE STEPHON MARBORY BORIS DIAW JOSH SMITH JR SMITH ANDREI KIRILENKO JOSH HOWARD DEVIN HARRIS
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
BUT UNFORTUNATELY NENE SUSPENDED FOLLOWING THE FIGHT BROKE OUT BY KEVIN GARNETT
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
IN THE SUMMER 06 THEY TRADE BY J.R. SMITH 7:48
@thekid75999 ай бұрын
These videos are fun to get into from a WWE entertainment type standpoint, but the league during this time was manufacturing the legacy of Kobe for damn near 2 decades.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Yeah man
@lutherwalker76399 ай бұрын
4:22 that's interesting considering how his mentality say years later ..🤔#it dont mean nothin
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
True man
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
DENVER NUGGETS THEY WON 50 GAMES BUT 8TH POSITION IN WESTERN PLAYOFFS UNTIL SWEEP THE 1ST ROUND AGAINST LOS ANGELES LAKERS 10:40
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
WHEN ANTONIO MCDYESS WAS BACK TO THE DENVER 12:03
@roseanneperena20739 ай бұрын
😍
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
😍
@nightdonutstudio9 ай бұрын
Most super stars's first 7-8 years are not sucessful.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
That's right
@Shooter_Nba2k20-Gaming9 ай бұрын
Kevin Garnett Career's please
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Noted man
@17thN.O8 ай бұрын
It makes no sense that those Nuggets teams were not better than they were, on that real.
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Chemistry issues
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
MELO SAID WITH LEBRON JAMES THE SMALL AND POWER FORWARD POSITION HE 6'9 HEIGHT WELL I'M 6'7.1/4 HEIGHT TOO 3:01
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
UNDER POWER FORWARD ANTONIO MCDYESS BUT THE NUGGETS ARE MISS THE PLAYOFFS FOR THE NEXT 6 SEASONS 0:53
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
BUT THE DENVER NUGGETS ARE MISS THE PLAYOFFS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE NEXT 8 SEASONS 1:42
@DameLisarad-es1pw9 ай бұрын
Tim duncan
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Soon man
@mike045749 ай бұрын
unlucky with injuries and suspensions, coach dealing with cancer too? damn
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Very unfortunate
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
THE DENVER NUGGETS UNDER CENTER DIKEMBE MUTOMBO A.K.A NO THREE TIMES 0:22
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
CARMELO WAS DEBUT IN ALL STAR JUST LIKE LEBRON JAMES SINCE 2005 9:18
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
OF COURSE NENE RETURN STARTING CENTER POSITION AND THEN IT IS NOW TIME TO FIND A NEW POINT GUARD ROLE 11:12
@charlesnario44829 ай бұрын
Melo Ai tandem😎
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Bucket getters
@youtuber33289 ай бұрын
kenyon martin marcus camby and chauncey billups were AVERAGE players and STAR sums up BOTH carmelo anthony and allen iverson and the 00's didn't have LEGENDS like jerry west larry bird magic johnson kareem abdul-jabbar oscar robertson bill russell and wilt chamberlain
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
What
@youtuber33288 ай бұрын
@@jaywarvz please tell me do you not TOTALLY agree
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
WHICH IS 2005 1ST ROUND PICK NEXT SEASON 3:55
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
AND WHO'S IS THE POINT GUARD CLUTCH A POINT GUARD WAS VERY POINT A POINT GUARD WHO'S DOSES SHOOTING ABILITY DEFENDING NBA CHAMPIONSHIP AND FINALS MVP AND THEM POINT GUARD IS CHAUNCEY BILLUPS 12:03
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
DESPITE TO WORST RECORD THE LOTTERY PICK AND WHO'S THE NUMBER 3 THAT'S WHY USE BY CARMELO ANTHONY THE NUGGETS ARE READY TO THE 2003 NBA DRAFT 1:58
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
BUT UNFORTUNATELY MARCUS CAMBY TRADE BY LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS 11:12
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE FIGHT BROKE OUT AND THEM THE BRAWL CARMELO ANTHONY SUSPENDED 15 GAMES WHEN J.R SMITH SUSPENDED 10 GAMES AND NENE HILARIO SUSPENDED FOR 1 GAME NENE SAID THOSE IDIOTS ALOT FIGHT BROKE OUT 8:15
@marilyndequito35469 ай бұрын
BUT THEY DRAFT BUST BY NUMBER 5 PICK THE NUGGETS ARE HUGE MISTAKE DRAFT BUT FRANK WILLIAMS TO NUMBER 25 PICK 1:01
@Ruthlessssssgaming7 ай бұрын
Jokic already an impactful player for denver than melo lmaooooo
@jaywarvz7 ай бұрын
No debate
@tharangaherath14349 ай бұрын
Trading Jameer Nelson was dumb
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Indeed
@dariugobalbekwa20598 ай бұрын
Carmelo anthony sucks as a teammate
@jaywarvz8 ай бұрын
Well yeah no doubt about that
@atmgfla9 ай бұрын
So this is A.I.?
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
Allen Iverson
@atmgfla9 ай бұрын
That was funny 😆 Artificial Intelligence
@atmgfla9 ай бұрын
I like the videos just wasn’t sure if this is being done by a person.
@jaywarvz9 ай бұрын
My goodness. I made this video. I exerted a lot of effort to compile everything. And here you are, questioning my work. Even A.I. can't do these. At least appreciated the video man.
@atmgfla9 ай бұрын
Listen my apologies maybe you read my initial post wrong. I was genuinely asking a question. I just wasn’t sure because of the computer animated voice tbh. I actually like the video a lot I thought it was interesting how you were able to piece everything together to do what your doing. Did not mean to offend.
@ClippersRunLAАй бұрын
OVERRATED
@MIGHTY_TAMBA7 ай бұрын
overrated player..its just for the $$$..
@jaywarvz7 ай бұрын
Oh man
@ezile179 ай бұрын
Can u do timeline of players like GILBERT ARENAS BARON DAVIS DERON WILLIAMS STEVE FRANCIS MONTA ELLIS JASON RICHARDSON DANNY GRANGER CARON BUTLER ANTAWN JAMISON JARMAINE O NEAL