GPU Companies have lost their minds!

We all love graphics cards, but with the increased cost of buying one... how can you possibly decide which one is right for you?
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[@hquest]

The dilemma is transferred to the manufacturers when you don’t buy a card for such outrageous prices.

[@6ch6ris6]

true. but the gaming community is stupid and has too many traitors

[@NORMIES_GET_OUT]

@@elvewizzy Join the EVGA Infantry today. Service guarantees citizenship!

[@epicnoble]

Time for the GPU corporations to start respecting their customers instead of treating us like mindless fools that will throw our money at the next new thing!

[@Borsecann]

I agree ..but too many people have the "well you guys fight the good fight, i'm gonna buy because one person doing it won't matter"...or just outright don't care , and this applies to a lot of industries.

[@atnfn]

Yea, I decided to buy a bambu labs x1 3d printer instead of a gpu.

[@3Stoker]

Hey Jay, I bought a used 3080 and it’s worked out really well for me. But I had to do some digging to find good ways to test the card before my buyer protection was over (bought through eBay). Think it would be really awesome if you did a dedicated video for how to test a used card inside and out!

[@michaelandrews4783]

Simple run prime95 and fur mark together for for 2 hrs at ALL stock settings. if it does not crash or flicker in any way run msi kombustor choose msi-01 and tick artifact scanner run for 1 hr, if no artifacts are detected keep it. if there is any weirdness run OCCT and choose vram test and run to see if it detects Vram issues. Probably a good idea run memtest 86+ overnight before this battery of tests to ensure your PC ram is good.

[@SeenAndCheese]

@@michaelandrews4783 Cool. I'm glad so many people saw your one (actually good and informative) comment. The point is that Jay could reach more people with a dedicated video and impact the market more.

[@Jason_Voorhees.]

Agree

[@D1craigRob]

@michaelandrews4783 most of the pr9grams you have stated are considered too harsh for hardware testing. Those programs dont just find problems they force them.

[@prrocker9637]

Any games you own that have built I benchmarks are a good start I've heard from tech yes city if you buy used hardware try and overclock by 100 mghrz on core and ram if it holds and works well in all the tests you're most likely sitting pretty

[@Libertas_P77]

Happy to postpone any GFX card update until the bottom drops out of the market in the recession, and we see true fair value market prices return. Glad to hear the 4080 isn’t selling well, exactly the message Nvidia need.

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

I wish these tech reviewer will clarify that the MSRP is nonexistent since 2021. 🤔

[@MAC...]

Careful, there's an issue with computer chip supply. So they might not fully drop like before. e.g. Primary source of "neon" was from Russia, Neon is used in chip manufacture for high end chips.

[@dr1flush]

I bet the only thing they learned is that they should've sold the weakest GPU first

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

@@dr1flush These types of technology of engineering irregularity being either software or hardware have always popped up more often in a recession cycle. But never dis bad and why is that? Becuz the only difference is this time around this administration introduced the CHIPS & Science Act of 2022 (CHIP ACT). This bill, which was passed to help prevent these kinds of abnormalities from accumulating. So this is not just your tax investment in these businesses. But for loyal customers also get struck a second time around when purchasing at a higher payment ownership. Buyers need to be more conscious of our government pushing billions of taxpayers stimulus to these technology products. Believe me if they knew they would be even more pissed off about why they're paying much higher prices.

[@stuartmorgan3654]

@@AwesomeBlackDude yeah no. As the name of the act implies it was passed in 2022. It takes years to actually build manufacturing capacity so those investments won't pay off for several years. They have zero effect on pricing in the here and now.

[@synthiandrakon]

I bought a 6800xt in October happy with my purchase despite what people kept saying about prices coming down with the new generation it just doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. The best advice when it comes to gpu shopping is get the best thing you can afford and then immediately stop looking at GPUs. You're probably going to be happy with your purchase as long as you don't convince yourself you could have gotten something better if you waited

[@scannner7499]

I think you're right

[@barry3792]

BAM!!

[@cozzy4447]

I went with it's baby bro the 3700xt as I actually had to build a PC for it to go into and I'm seriously impressed I use 1080 and higher fps over 4k and for that it's bossing it.

[@metallica520771]

I'm at the point where I'm just gonna walk away from the table. My EVGA 1060 6GB still works fine and plays all the games I allready own.

[@themott6184]

I have just upgraded from a 1060 6GB to a MSI 6750XT for £449 on Scan... I am extremely happy with that price

[@6996Gunslinger]

@@themott6184 happy for 450 when people used to fume how pricey the rtx 2000 were lowest at 300 and yes that was expensive. 450 is not a happy price definitely not for me its insane

[@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418]

Or you know just buy one of the cheaper cards🤷 all of them will smash the 1060 into the ground. A 6700XT/ 3060TI/3070 or even an A770 is pretty much near the top end for non RT gaming at 1080p/1440p. A last gen 80 or 90 class card are still hugely powerful and are good options if you still want more performance.

[@denster7715]

As a fellow Norwegian I can inform you that I almost got a 3070 Ti for 6 100KR here the other day. Look up Komplett's "demo skjermkort", where they sell certain GPU's for a much lower price than MSRP.

[@ChosenOneDan]

I'd say it's time to retire the 1060 at this point. Want a cheap new card that destroys it check the rx 6600. It's like $220 usd atm. If you can catch deals the 6650xt has been $250 new. That would demolish a 1060

[@ianmaxim717]

Hi Jay, I think you may be missing the used market dynamic that got disrupted with the 30 series. People got used to selling their old cards after a year, year and a half for 60% of its value (65% or more for high end cards) to put toward a new card. With the shortage, which caused the prices to skyrocket especially on used cards, people who would normally only be able to afford a decent used card, weren't able to help support those who wanted to subsidise their upgrade. This buried those who bought a new 30 series card, just like buying a new car when you haven't paid your old one down far enough. If you paid $1500 or $2000 for a 30 series card... are you going to be able to take the 40% hit (50 or 60% appears to be market, based on your video) to sell it and pay the same again. Personally, I used to upgrade my GPU every 2 generations and my CPU every 4. I paid $700 for my MSI 1080 TI Seahawk AIO. I can't consciously spend the same or more on a used 30 series card without warranty in today's economic climate, even if I get $300 for my card (which I can't). I've put a much lesser amount of my money into RAM and fan upgrades and seen a pleasant change in my PC environment as a result. I'm buying older games and still enjoying my 10th gen CPU. I think you might be surprised at how many people are actually doing this type of thing, instead of upgrading. I believe this has caused the stalling seen in the retail market more than people not wanting new cards. Yes, there are always people who will be able to shell out the money for expensive cards. I used to be one of them, but everyone has their limit of what they will pay.

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

i bought a 1080 3.5 years ago and just sold it for 60% what i paid. Could have sold it 3 months ago for 85% what i paid, or 12 mo ago for 66% MORE than what i paid. Shits nuts. ended up getting a triple fan 2080ti for $330 shipped and sold the basic ass blower style 1080 for $165 after fees/shipping

[@JS-wl3gi]

You a spot on, the economic wheel has stalled, its going to take a few more years to get it going if it is at all.

[@RoDaX55]

The problem while I agree with is that not many of us can stay with older hardware... I have been gifted a 3440x1440p monitor and my rtx 2060 just doesn't keep up in most games even older titles like BF4 I feel my self forced to upgrade to make use of the my new screen... And that's not all the further we go the higher the resolutions will be released and smaller ones will be harder to find and buy

[@Twist3rOffical]

@@RoDaX55 you can have your resolution at 720p and run upscaling to 4k

[@nikossenounta4584]

@@RoDaX55 The only proper advice here is to sell the monitor and get a 1440p one. 4K gaming is absolutely a no-go with any card other than the ones costing 1400 or more today. Unless you are willing to follow that route then either play games on 1080p on the 4k monitor or go for a 1440p build which is todays sweet spot.

[@houghtonator5125]

Glad I got my 3070 for 475 from EVGA. To Jay's point warranty is a slight concern but I'm not OCing. Only lost on USD to CAD, however was still less than anything available in Canada.

[@bennyb.1742]

It's like 20 years ago all over again where our dollar is worth nothing, but Canadian distributors gouge so hard it's still cheaper to buy in the US

[@Mos_Ion_Roata]

I have an EVGA card with 10 years of Warranty ( 9 left ) and I wonder if something goes south with the card and many years down the road EVGA still exists but they don't have an inventory anymore aren't they supposed to refund us?

[@darkigor20]

Dead 'GPU' brand LMAO

[@cv507]

6750 min max 950 4 me. still on 600vv xD. -850- 1200 sträde bq ! vQv

[@Austynrox]

Yeah I’m worried about warranty issues with evga. Why i was bummed they dropped gpus but i get why.

[@tonnytrumpet734]

If I had to choose some mid level graphics card(around 400-600$) it seems to me like RX 6700 XT/RX 6800 XT or RTX 3060 Ti is your best bet depending on how important ray tracing is to you.

[@Redshiftdragon]

I’ve noticed that you can’t find any new MSRP/ cheaper 3080s, 3080ti or 3090s. I bought my 3080 Strix 12gb last July for $799. I think you were right about buying higher end GPU’s at that time. Cause now the 4080 isn’t the best value and the 4090 just cost too much.(for most people).

[@justaadhdgamerwesley6244]

I should not have waited ;-;

[@MondayMoustache]

I bought a 3080ti FE 2 weeks ago from bestbuy for 1200$ CAD (they're 1600$ MSRP), seems like the best deal around atm

[@thetruestar6348]

I got my 3080 ASUS Tuf at 750 ish in September from Microcenter Im glad I got it. I gave my friend my 3060TI I got on launch.

[@ryanespinoza7297]

@@MondayMoustache That sounds like a horrible deal. The 7900 XT is $20 USD more and goes head to head with the 3090ti.

[@EntG1]

I was lucky and picked up an MSI 3080 for around $750 on Amazon, literally bumped up to like $950 a day later..

[@projectbass5574]

Meanwhile in Sweden: 4080 cost 1700$ minimum

[@daviddavid4962]

Please can you consider doing more videos like these...extended to other PC components. You rock!

[@trukr817]

Back in the day (you know, walked 9 miles to school, uphill both ways in a blizzard) I paid $499.99 for my MSI Duke GTX1080. I loved that card, until it died, . GPU prices were insane, then a friend sold me his GTX 1080 FE for $300.00 and I was happy again. Then a short time back he sold me his EVGA 2080ti for, $200.00. I'm not shopping for a GPU right now. Oh, I GAVE the GTX 1080 FE away, I never sell my old gear, I prefer not to deal with that. I still blame the people who paid stupid prices for GPUs for the stupid prices we see on GPUs now. They would be stupid not to raise prices after seeing so many willing to pay three times the normal price. A fair price is what the market will bear, boy did people not show it would bear a lot. People NEED to get over this "I have to have it" mentality and wait for more understandable pricing.

[@carlosf9278]

if you can afford it (and most young gamers can because they either have parents who spoil them or working citizens with maybe roommates), then there’s sales…. Clearly this massive price jump from the 3080 to the 4080 did not sit well with most people and so Nvidia will likely drop the price for the 50 series cards… similarly to how when the 30 series where introduced… MUCH CHEAPER AND BETTER THAN THE 20 SERIES!!! Since Nvidia dropped the prices from the 20 to the 30, they essentially spoiled new and old gpu consumers alike with better pricing…. I believe Sony had this issue with their PS3 pricing debut and Microsoft with their XBOX One pricing Vs the ps4 … I don’t think any company ever really fixed (or could for that matter) this aside from having more sales and trade ins but that’s pretty much it…. Sony and Microsoft just priced their later Gen consoles better than last time And long story short, expect nothing from Nvidia until the 50 series drop 🤣🥲

[@issaicezell390]

I recently upgraded my rig to a RX6700XT from a GTX1050 and I don't regret it. I had thought about a RTX3070ti but I am glad I went to AMD because I got the same performance for HUNDREDS of dollars less.

[@lapz6758]

I wanted so hard to buy Nvidia, but they just didn't want the money. 3070 for 550 and 6800 for 500...yeah nah, an insane disparity in price

[@jcwood]

Yep. Was team green, now have gone AMD with a 6800. The 6800 is slightly faster than the 3070ti I was considering, and much cheaper. Am getting 80-100 FPS at ultrawide 1440p, which is perfect for my monitor.

[@CSXIV]

I finally built a computer and got the rx6700xt. I have a 1440p monitor so it didn't make sense for me to get anything higher. Way I see it, I should be good for a while. It's worked out well so far, so no complaints.

[@DevouringKing]

In Europe there are RX6700 for under 370€. Just need one 8 pin for power and with slightly undervolting it just draws 120watt ingame.

[@forte7991]

Good move

[@mixification]

I've only had Nvidia GPU's up to this point and the recent prices have made me try AMD for the first time and honestly I have no regrets. I managed to get a new RX 6800 XT for £566 ($680) which is slightly less than what I paid for my old GTX 1080 in 2015 so seems like a good deal to me and hopefully it lasts just as long as my 1080 did before I need to upgrade.

[@tobalaz]

My 1070 died recently and I found a brand new 6900xt $500 off retail, so I jumped ship. Got a nice upgrade and saved a nice chunk of change. I figured it should last me another 5 years easily, my only complaint is without drivers the monitor using the display port kept resetting until the drivers were installed and PC restarted. Thankfully I had a 2nd monitor running on HDMI.

[@CynHicks]

I moved to Radeon after my first Nvidia card upgrade. Two upgrades later and I moved back to Nvidia. Still haven't owned another though since AMD bought ATI.

[@alfi9981]

And here I am trying to buy a rx580 at like 60 bucks.

[@guillaumejoop6437]

We will never get another 1080, that card was too good and lasted too long

[@ChosenOneDan]

@@tobalaz damn bro 6900xt new for $500!? was it open box or what thats a steal

[@papak67]

Thanks! Was looking to build a new rig after 9 years. First thing that shocked me was GPU prices and I knew this couldn't be right.

[@MrGyngve]

I just bought my first AMD GPU after having been on Nvidia since forever. Its a 6800XT that I got for 650 USD (it had been used for two months and the owner had the original receipt). And its been a joy. Loving it! Its almost 3080-performance in the titles I play, but for way less.

[@TheFalxY]

I just bought an XFX RX 6950 XT for £740, for 1440p 144Hz after waiting 2 years to buy a new card due to prices. Amazing value card considering the state of things at the moment, and I have no idea why anyone would buy an Nvidia card until the prices plummet.

[@GDsergio]

Got my power color red devil RX 6950 XT for about $768 a few days ago, probably the best value high end card right now, though I use it for 4k 60Hz or 144Hz depending on the game.

[@ErrrorWayz]

I bought my Nvidia card because it's better than the AMD ones tbh

[@AntonMochalin]

AMD cards suck at RT and with NVidia cards of Ampere gen you can play with RT on at 1440p quite comfortably. I can understand when someone doesn't need RT and I myself play a lot of games not supporting RT but I prefer to have this option to play with RT on.

[@GDsergio]

@@AntonMochalin if you are playing at 1440p the 6950 XT can max out most RT games (the only one that gave me problems is cyberpunk) and there are even some games that max out with RT at 4k like resident evil 8. If I wanted to play with RT I would play at 1440, but I rather play at 4k with it off.

[@AntonMochalin]

@@GDsergio good luck trying to play Portal RTX or Witcher 3 RTX update on AMD cards.

[@juniorbarra8296]

Bought a 3060ti about 6 months ago for 400 euros and when i bought it i was thinking of changing it with a 3080 12 GB by Christmas...as things stand it's still a perfect deal when i look at the prices. It's nuts in Europe right now, you're lucky in the states with those low prices. In my country a used 3080 is around 900-1000 euros...that's insane!

[@sebastianjost]

If I remember correctly I couldn't find a new 3060 (12GB) below 450€. I was looking occasionally for months now. 400€ for a 3060ti seems decent by comparison

[@Mrbits01]

Yeah. Europe's fucked for GPU prices. Haven't seen a new 3080 for less that 990$. Keeping my 1080 Ti lol fuck this I ain't spending that much.

[@hzhen6339]

I've been refreshing the page on nvidia for its msrp 3060 ti FE ..... I'm so fucked right now.

[@js1031]

Hold the line. Prices will eventually calm down. They did stateside, they will in Europe. If you cave now, you're costing future you more for parts.

[@GahloWake]

@@js1031 A lot of the issues with European pricing is that inflation has hit there harder than the US, so the currency advantage isn't absorbing VAT tax like it usually does.

[@gavxps1]

My 1080ti is serving me very well and has been for 4 years.

[@Mc12Demonkiller]

Same here. Running any game I want max setting. I built my rig with a 6850k and 1080ti. Both parts given high end awards as true value to performance.

[@UrdnotAkongo]

4:00 if you want to know what they're going for, sort by Completed/Sold listing instead of currently live listing. That way you'll see what prices people are willing to buy at

[@JetFixxxer]

I would go with an AMD 6800xt or the 6900xt/6950xt if I was to purchase a card. I think team green go a little full of themselves over the last few generations. They burnt the bridge when the 20's series came out. They cost less for better performance over my 1080Ti. I kick myself for going with the 6800xt when it dropped down to 650.00 and a few weeks later the 6900xt dropped down to around 699. I go back and forth on my GPU and CPU. I usually go with the best performance for what I want to spend. If team green is 10% faster, but cost 15-20% more I usually go with the team red. Same with the CPU.

[@tulioc6]

Bought a rx6800 power color red dragon for $400 on ebay to replace my 1080ti. Open box from a tech store in NJ. Honestly, I am very satisfied with how well the card works.

[@12463trf]

If I werent deliberating in the current gen, I'd be kicking myself too! the 6800xt / 6900xt / 6950xt are now listed higher than the xtx at my parts dealer >.>; ffs FML. lol but I got about 1 more month before i decided I would pull the pin... so fingers crossed T_T

[@Xiao_Hu_ZY]

My gaming laptop has a 6900hx and a 6800s Radeon. for the portability it is phenomenal

[@rawdez_]

amd/nvidya sells crap that can't even run "modern" games with "modern" graphics properly on 1440p 144Hz aka mid-range monitors. crap mid-range GPUs for 1000+ bucks. yey! lets buy that! nah, f amd/nvidya. and 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt aren't much better, obsolete overpriced overheating room heaters that can't run "modern" graphics aka GOD RAYS at all. PC gaming is dead and would stay dead (aka 0 progress in graphics and every game made for morally obsolete hardware) until GPUs get 2-3x cheaper. because nobody makes games for unaffordable PCs. and that what PC gaming has become = unaffordable. also f xbox/ps5 because amoode makes those and by selling overpriced morally obsolete cards tries to make people go for consoles. and sells you crap anyway.

[@BetterBenTV]

@@rawdez_ wth dude. Smoke less.

[@RolloC84]

Watching computer part prices is like watching the stock market. You almost have to just buy what you can when you can, never look at the market again and be happy with what you have until you need to buy again because you never know if the price of something is going to go up or down tomorrow.

[@RicochetForce]

This is becoming all too true. I'm biting the bullet, saving up my money and just buying the part I want once I have the money. Waiting has fucked me over hard each time I've heeded that advice. Prices are higher than they've been since the pandemic and there's nothing to force them down coming anytime soon.

[@christianb.341]

Thank you for your great work and sharing your thoughts.

[@MystC909]

Didn’t know you live in my hometown area! I’m Rancho Cucamonga born and raised man! Cheers! Happy New Year!

[@jag_g]

I used to only buy used off eBay but UK sellers are expecting too much for used components. My 1060 6GB was such a good deal brand new (since it was equivalent to prev gen 980) that I have not been tempted to snap up a replacement in years. Nvidias price inflation means people have stopped caring about upgrading their PCs and I think it will have a knock on impact on CPU sales in the months to come.

[@markhackett2302]

It'll knock on game development too. One of the dev complaints is about how long the 1060 lasted, and so every engine HAS TO be coded to that "old" standard. Well unless prices drop, people HAVE to keep their cards longer, so the standards needing to be supported are going to just get older.

[@CMDRSweeper]

@@markhackett2302 Some developers have said they are considering changing their targets to go for INTEGRATED GPUs as that is what can be afforded. In the end, Nvidia can't cater the few with deep pockets and make the money, the industry that drives those sales WILL dry up, and at that point, where is the software that can actually use those fancy high end products?

[@charlestrudel8308]

if it does have an effect on CPU sales, Nvidia will laugh since last i heard, they arent making cpus...

[@T3CH33]

@@markhackett2302 Also if no-one can afford the cards programming games for top end specs is pointless as your product will have no market.

[@RoDaX55]

@@CMDRSweeper that would actually be a win for Nvidia since they have a very powerful SoC and can easily start selling that with an even higher power consumption rather than being stuck with mobile limits to make a gaming SoC for laptops like a Tegra 8 or something like that... Nvidia is not only GPU for gamers in fact for a long time now they receive way more from the server tech, machine learning tech and AI SoC for cars and other applications it's not hard for them to target a whole new paradigm

[@bryanwhite433]

I ended up getting a Radeon RX 6750 XT. They were going for about $449.99 on AMD’s website back when Nvidia first released their RTX 4000 series. It’s good enough for me for 1440p high settings and high refresh rate graphics.

[@mrbilginc]

Still keeping my gtx 1080 that works ok with VR as well. With those prices, I will wait for a very long time! Crypto mining mania spoiled Nvidia and AMD!

[@Vhite]

Same. Was really hoping to upgrade this gen, but not under these circumstances.

[@mrbilginc]

@@Vhite Totally agree. I rather upgraded to i5 12th gen with more ram and a new motherboard, and gtx 1080 is even better than before. Would never pay more than 500-600 $ for a high-mid-end gen graphics card. This is insane!

[@thethiccdonut5257]

I'm just keeping my 3080 until I can't play 4K games at 144 fps anymore at mid to high settings.

[@phantom498]

Or just buy used. That way you aren’t supporting Nvidia and their new products. I’ve been holding out with a 1070 ti since release, but I’m kinda over waiting i don’t see prices dropping or changing anytime soon. I’m going to buy a used card somewhere, probably ebay

[@Darca1n]

@@phantom498 You do run the risk though of getting a cryptobro mining card, which could have been taken good care of, or been run into the ground at mach speed in certain areas with no concern for long-term viability.

[@JGioia12]

I got really lucky with the used 1080ti i bought back in 2020. They were the original owner, bought direct from EVGA with a 5 year paid warranty, and they gave me the documentation for it if i ever needed to use it.

[@jeffsmith2283]

I followed Jayz advice and upgraded to a new Asus TUF 3080 when it dipped to $700, that was a much pain as I could give myself.

[@EinnyenJM]

I did the same, but I picked up a Zotac Trinity at the absolute dip of $620. Wanted the FTW3 but they were still $730 at the time. Jay got some flack for that bit of advice but it was timely.

[@singular9]

Lol and my overclocked 3060ti is faster than a 3070FE. Waste of money

[@josephoverstreet5584]

Better than me paying $700 for a 3070 lmao

[@jeffsmith2283]

@@josephoverstreet5584 The prices are all so crazy. We will probably all scream 🤬if Nvidia lowers the 4080 to $600

[@rawdez_]

@@jeffsmith2283 >🤬if Nvidia lowers the 4080 to $600 in your wet dreams only. or in 5 years and it will be the same "meh, gfys, nvidya" by that time just like it is right now. gfys, nvidya.

[@MatrixWisconsin]

Picked up the Red Devil 6950 xt you talked about in the video for$760 from Microcenter last week.

[@kungfuotta]

Was able to get a used rx 6800xt for $650 CAD which is around $480 USD recently. Consider that new ones here in Canada are in the $1k+ range and people are still selling used 5700xt for $500-800.

[@POP7QWIZ]

I bought a used 3090 for 650 on Ebay. Former mining card but for 650 it was worth the lottery ticket, so far it's been great.

[@psycold]

I bought a 3090 for $2200 in October or November of 2020, I'm am idiot. It was NIB though.

[@Silkaz7]

@@psycold damn, I know a friend that did that last year... he has been regretting that purchase ever since.

[@danielainger8666]

@@psycold wow how desperate was you ?

[@ij6708]

Paid $600 USD for my 3090 up here in Canada, but local pickup instead. So got to inspect before purchase. Card looked mint not even dusty. Plugged it in and found out it was still on the initial vbios without Rebar support

[@pacaro4644]

@@psycold That was a great buy really... IF you just mined that for about a year you could have easily made that back and then some. I got one for 2800,- in may 2021 and mined about 2000,- in a years time. Crazy as the pricing was, at that time, you could pretty much buy any GPU at any price and get your money back within a year.

[@marxmaiale9981]

Refurbished doesn't necessarily means it was returned and worked on, this also encompasses product that was pulled off the line for QA testing (can't sell these as new due to being used). The problem is we will never know why the item is listed as a refurbished item.

[@eduardofromwiisportsresort9636]

In my experience they typically list the problems in the desc, many refurb items I have bought have just been minor scratches/cosmetic damages. Though I imagine most dont list this

[@erroroflife187]

Bro another Jay moment

[@bradtraq1]

Jay is totally correct, refurbished sucks because it's already broken once. It's already a suspect product. I'd rather buy something used that's never had an issue over refurbished any day of the week

[@mpauls85]

LOL, of course you can sell parts that are pulled of the line for QA as new. I work for an automotive supplier and we do that all the time! These are the best parts, since you know for a fact that they are working. For all the other parts you just assume that by statistics.

[@thunderbolt10031]

@@bradtraq1 That is not what refurbished means at all. Refurbished can mean it was broken and repaired, but most of the time it means the item was returned in working order or traded in working order and it was pulled apart, cleaned, inspected and verified to be fully functional before it was listed for resale.

[@alex16870]

Hello from Sweden. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Or as Swedes say God Jul & Gott Nytt År 😊.

[@heathb4r860]

I will be shopping for 3080 or higher card in the spring. My concern with the 40 series is the limited number of times I apparently can remove the card from my system for cleaning for example(long term card care..). Is that still a concern? Thoughts on buyers worried about the new power adapter?

[@BrbsmokePUBG]

"write phil the hate mail." gives nic's mail LUL

[@hertzdonut_]

Was kicking myself for missing black Friday prices, but the local microcenter came to the rescue. For the last couple weeks they have been getting random drops of 25+ cards at decent prices. One time it was TUF 6900XTs for $700 (I picked one up for myself). Next week it was $500 Powercolor 6800s. Just today they put up $780 MSI 3080s. Don't know if this happens at all the stores but potential buyers that are near a microcenter should keep an eye on their stock.

[@thierry1026]

Built a pc for a friend for christmas, got him a 6700xt for 500 CAD at the store, there were some 3060ti for 580$ too, the high end cards were at 1k+ Not worth it at all.

[@alexpettit3265]

I have a 1080 Ti and was really wanting to upgrade to the 40 series, but with those prices I'm just going to keep waiting I suppose.

[@asx958ify]

I ended up going for the zotac 4080 jay showed on the channel because I got a deal at £250 off which brought it down close to what the aib 7900xtx cards were costing. I don’t regret my purchase especially seeing some of the issues 7000 series is having

[@charlesjmouse]

Thank God I haven't been in the market for a new-ish GPU in years! There's a lot to be said for playing all those wonderful games from yesterday that I didn't get round to trying at the time. I could pick from the limited selection of today's best games that require today's hardware or I can open my options up to all the games from the whole of time, most of which will run on a potato. I can even dabble in emulation if somehow that isn't enough.

[@PowPowPeng1]

Yeah and with all the aggressive monetisation we have in modern games today, older games are much more relaxing, time to become a gaming history nerd.

[@PvtPartzz]

Some of the industry’s best games from recent years also run on potatoes. Look at Battlebit Remastered or Valheim for great examples!

[@jaredc5169]

my friend works at microcenter and he tells me when the shipments arrive so I was able to get my 3080 at MSRP pretty fast when it came out.

[@Ser_Salty]

My Vega 56 still handles almost all new games decently to really well at 1440p, usually high-ish settings. Only game it seriously struggles with is Cyberpunk. Emulation? Well, maybe not those experimental PS3/360 emulators, but PS2, Switch etc.? No problem, even at 4k. I can probably stick it out for another 2-3 years or something before I start to really struggle with new games.

[@sylviam6535]

I have been recommending to people that they go back and play old games.

[@Wolfpounder]

Hey Jay and friends, I don't know how much this may help. I've been having all of the issues online with Best Buy specifically, but I walked into a store today, and they were able to order me an FE 4090. The AIB models were out of stock, but if you are interested in a 4090, try visiting a store for a special order.

[@jayt2266]

Probably a ridiculous question but I plan on hopefully getting my son a 4070 ti but noticed in recent leaked pictures that it seems to use a 2x8 pin cable. Could I actually still use the 3x8 pin cablemod cable I already purchased with this or will the 3 8 pin connectors damage the card?

[@ThomasArmento]

6950 XT for under $800 is looking like a pretty good deal right now until you see that you are able to get a 7900 XT at Microcenter for $100 more.

[@lohphat]

I’m still happy with my 980 Ti. I can wait until sanity and prices return to earth.

[@MrSatnavatron]

XFX 6950 XT for £770 on Amazon

[@ATGolden]

How long have you used your 980 for? I'm sitting on a 1060, wondering how long it's got left...

[@lohphat]

@@ATGolden 6 years.

[@ATGolden]

@@lohphat dang, I'm on 4, happy to know there is hope to wait this price hell out longer

[@Alovon]

After NVIDIA announced the price of the RTX 4000 launch lineup and some performance characteristics of the 3 cards got generally pinned down, I just decided to get a RTX 3080-12GB as it pretty much fell down to the 3080's OG MSRP New (650-750), despite pretty much being a shaved down RTX 3080Ti (and performing between them). Note, this was when Ampere GPUs were available again and before Lovelace came out officially, and the card is performing very well.

[@derekanthony8036]

Hi Jay, I bought a used MSI 3070 from a buddy for 500CAD cash and it works pretty well with my I7. One problem I'm having is I have to constantly reinstall the driver after every restart or shutdown. I've performed DDU and problem persists. Do you have any suggestions to fix this? Thanks

[@GrumpyAsFuk]

The 6700 XT is still 430€+ in germany, the Red Devil is even 550€. Gaming on PC has never been more frustrating.

[@theghostleader140]

Here's a dilemma I've been through buying a graphics card, i have a STRIX 2080 Super and decided to sell it back at the end of 2019 to prepare for the upcoming 30 series then i decided to hold off and check first if it's worth the upgrade and It was however the shortage forced me to stick to my 2080s until the prices go down and almost two years later after the shortage "end" i thought it was a good time to upgrade to a 3080 but it felt wrong paying full price for a two years especially with the 40 series around the corner, finally i decided to skip the 3080 and wait for the 4080 (and boy was i wrong) after seeing the ridiculous pricing of the 4080 i decided to hold off AGAIN for the 50 series hoping that Nvidia might learn and correct their stupid prices for the 80/70 class ('cause i know for a fact that Nvidia wouldn't sell 4070 at $500 range it won't make since the gap in pricing between the 4080 and 4070 would be massive). it would be hilarious if Nvidia releases the 50 series with 10-15% price increase over the 40 series.

[@occhiuzzicalefaccioncentra9800]

morale of the story, don't trust your insticts bro

[@Vittrich]

@@occhiuzzicalefaccioncentra9800 tbh, no one could know that NVIDIA just plain lied to the customers and made a paperlaunch with 30xx series cards, because an 3080 for 729€ incl. taxes would have been a very good deal, they just never were available and when they cost around 2000€. 40xx is just a plain rip off and thankfully it backfired at them.

[@th3summoner]

My advice, go for a 3090 on ebay. Look for one with warranty and pref with pictures of the fins being clean and it inside a system. You have close to the performance of a 4080 and more vram too boot. Ntm a good price would be around 900. I got a EVGA 3090 with 2 year warranty for 920 after shipping and taxes. Itll take a while to find one thats right but go for it. Pro tip, most buy it nows are people who have had trouble moving their cards so look at bids.

[@joshjlmgproductions3313]

As a 2080 Ti owner, I'm thinking about going AMD for my next GPU. The 7900XTX is looking pretty good.

[@th3summoner]

@JoshJLMG Productions Only go XTX if you going AMD, its the only one worth it. The rest of AMDs line up are still worse cards than their Nvidia counterparts but with the same amount of overpricing. I'd rather buy used 30 Nvidia and hope they get thier shit together for 50 series. Considering how they responded to 20 series backlash with the 30 series, im very hopeful. The only thing nvidia has going for it honestly.

[@aleithiatoews6452]

I bought a refurbished MSI Z270-A Pro almost three years ago and it's still going strong. It had a 1 year recertification protection plan, and I wouldn't have bought it with no safety net, but I don't shy away from used, refurbished, and open box. Got a good deal on open box PowerColor RX 590 for my daughter's build back in 2019.

[@SwagelokTaj]

I bought a 3050XC back when I built my rig earlier this year. Spent about $325 for it, and in 1440p, I'm loving every title. For the future, I might want to leave Nvidia and investigate AMD. That Red Dragon has me intrigued for the FPS/$ ratio.

[@xthesayuri5756]

325$ for a 50 tier card. I feel bad for you.

[@Sovek86]

Ouch, I snagged a 6650xt for $340+ tax at my best buy earlier

[@bbbbbbbb885]

@@Sovek86 i bought rx 6600 for 350€ 8 months ago

[@xthesayuri5756]

@@Sovek86 thats way better, basically double the fps same cost. But the fair value of this card is probably in the mid 200s. People need to wake up. Nvidia AND AMD are scamming you. Especially with rdna3 and 4000 series.

[@Duke49th]

I paid (converted to USD) almost the same amount of around 330 USD. But for am AORUS triple fan RTX 3060 TI. But it was second hand, from a store, with sealed stickers on the card and I doubt it was used for mining, since it was manufactured in March or April 2022. And I got still 1 year warranty. You should have waited until October/November. You would've gotten so much more for the money.

[@SleezyHotdog]

I’m looking to build in the January/February timeframe and I’m hoping a 4070 Ti announcement will let me snag a 3080 for around MSRP. If prices are the same as they are now I think I’ll be deciding between a new 3070/3070 Ti or a used 3080. Like others have said the lack of a 4070 is really putting consumers in a difficult position.

[@moodswing4460]

Is it the norm for gamers to be buying gpu over $600? When I upgrade, I set a budget for around $3-400. Looks like I am in the minority now. Settled for a 6700xt for $400. Didn't feel like waiting until the new series cards release gpu in that range. Who knows when that will be.

[@HarakiriRokku]

Just a few generations ago the high end cards were around $600-$800ish MSRP. The most I've spent on a new GPU was around $420 for a 6750XT and even that was a hard pill to swallow since I really don't game much these days. I think the majority of people are willing to spend in the range of $200-400 like you and I. It seems insane to me to spend anywhere near $1k on a GPU even if money were no object. It is definitely not the norm.

[@michaelk5007]

I'm looking at an RX 580 to satisfy my needs; my son a 3060ti (found new for $200 and $600 Canadian each)

[@the1whokill518]

Set my budget for a 3070ti and ended up buying a 3080 cause they were $10 price difference at the time. It was somewhere around $700, it was some weird pricing that was at the end of the price curve. Still feel good about the purchase. There's no game that I can't run lol.

[@tomast9034]

well i slapped my wallet with a 1080 when the first rtx got on the market....whoooopping 560eur for new+100 for a waterblock ....now looks like a nothing for a high endish gfx.

[@tomast9034]

@@the1whokill518 when the 3080 would cost here 700dollars = 660 eur.... i would buy 2 :D its going from 1000 to 1200 :D

[@trevorh4681]

The company I work for sell under the eBay refurbished program. This is a strict program that ebay has implemented that sellers have to apply for and prove they sell great products that are the actual item listed. Typically for a " eBay refurbished " item it doesn't mean there was an issue it means that it was gone through by a seller who has proven to a great seller and trust worthy along with doing testing and cleaning the item up. As a trusted eBay refurbisher seller information like this " it's had an issue " is rather misleading and can be harmful to the sales of those of us who have to prove ourselves. I appreciate you advocating to look into eBay and to pay attention like you stated about the part of " for parts " but please be mindful in all the information that comes into play with " refurbished " appreciate you and all your videos and information I watch your stuff so much and love all your information and builds!! Keep it up and don't stop bro.

[@beagamer1186]

I have samsung odyssey G9, am thinking to buy a 4080 insted of 30 series card. Am going to be okay in this resolution?

[@misharumkittum]

I'm hoping to build a new AMD system early in 2023 (assuming the mid-high ranged stuff comes out in a reasonable timeframe, which it probably won't and then I have to make another rough decision on if I stick with my 6.5 year old setup or go with what's out now). I was hoping to spend under $700 on the GPU. But that PowerColor 6950 XT you showed is insanely tempting. About a hundred more than I planned for a better card than I planned.

[@DuBstep115]

No need to build new, still running X99 platform from 2014, I only swap GPU and run 4K tv so processor doesn't matter.

[@HyddenDark]

Historically I'd be a premium buyer where price point is irrelevant, but since the pandemic it's about what's in stock. Also, the output of these cards drastically exceeds my monitor resolution and framerate (3440x1440 @100 fps). In any game where my current card struggles (a 2080 TI, still going strong), I've been more likely to turn graphics down from Ultra to High than reach for my wallet and face this dilemma, and it gives me back the frames with barely-noticeable quality sacrifices. I expect the only difference a newer card would make is lower heat and fan speed for the same capped performance.

[@rustyshackleford5668]

Let's be real too...ultra isn't much different from high.

[@Skyflairl2p]

@@rustyshackleford5668 As a game developer, it usually quite literally is not. Ultra is just pushing the boundaries but sometimes its just allowing unoptimized options on, whereas high is just... Optimized ultra. In some rare cases Ultra serves a purpose, but most of the time you'd optimize for high and lower, and just leave ultra as "everything enabled" (including unoptimized settings) I also run 3440x1440 @120hz but on a 3080. It literally isn't eve struggling, 4k is overrated and people have been suckled into buying for it for no reason, my 3080 will easily last until 2024/25.

[@credge]

@@rustyshackleford5668 Not true... ultra can as much as double your vram requirements! But yeah, in many games ultra is the "spend twice the system resources for a 2% improvement" setting.

[@toohundred]

I'm in the exact same boat. I've got a 2080TI as well as a 3440x1440 120hz monitor and I really only struggle to run BRAND NEW AAA titles on ultra. I can't bring myself to spend so much on a new card just so I can hit ultra on a game that isn't in a finished state anyway lol I just turn on DLSS instead of spending $1600 haha

[@Tracker5111]

yes, excellent resolution! These GPU's are waaay more powerful than needed. Why use a 4k monitor unless you can drop $3k on a PC? Been gaming for 3 decades now and I am just NOW considering going to a 1440P monitor... but still keeping a 1080P for those just in case scenarios when a new game comes out and my PC struggles again... because that time WILL come!

[@panpiper]

What card do I need to run Cyberpunk at 1440P at highest graphics settings with raytracing enabled and still get close to 144 FPS?

[@MostEnvious]

I waited for the new AMD cards to see how good they'd be but when I saw it wasn't all that much better, I ordered the RX 6800xt for $650 on Amazon. I'm upgrading from an rx 5600xt so it'll be great for me. Got a 2k monitor from Walmart black friday sale, I'm set. Can't wait for that card to show up.

[@Tullekunstner]

Was waiting for the XTX as well. Disappointed in the performance once we saw the numbers, and it's impossible to buy right now where I'm at. Even those who did get to buy it, it was $100 bucks cheaper than the 4080 (which imo is a better card all things considered). Brand new 7700x PC with a 3gb 1060 which basically meant I couldn't play the games I wanted to play. Ended up buying the 4080 for $1450, which is completely insane, but fuck it at least I can have some great gaming days over the holidays. For the record, the cheapest I could buy a 4090 for is $2300, so the premium over the 4080 just wasn't worth it for me.

[@ChosenOneDan]

@Tullekunstner fuck man I would of looked at last Gen deals tbh. 6000 series amd is where it's at for value atm and you could of enabled SAM and got some nice gains on that 7700x. There's 6950xts for $789 atm. That's 3090ti tier performance

[@Tullekunstner]

@@ChosenOneDan That would've been amazing, but the cheapest 6950xt in my country sits at $1050 :/ Sucks that prices have been kept this high even after the mining collapse.

[@Colin_Drawz]

1080p does me plenty especially at ultra. Very happy for getting my first new gpu (rx6600 nonxt) was a huge upgrade from my ebay bargin bin 1050ti and I did editing on that thing. I hear all the time that editing is only decent on Nvidia and in my experience it's been pretty smooth transitioning from team green to team red.

[@JamieStuff]

+1 on the 6600 for 1080p gaming. I love mine.

[@Colin_Drawz]

@@JamieStuff It's a fantastic card and a hell of a workhorse. 211 at the time I bought it and considering I bought my 1050ti in the tail end of the crypto boom for 150 bucks +s&h it's well worth it. I couldn't be happier.

[@Jarekx2007]

Copped a 6650xt during Black Friday myself. Couldn't be happier. Bonus points for buying last gen since I didn't have to worry about AMD drivers being total doodoo after years of updates.

[@Colin_Drawz]

@@Jarekx2007 amen to that

[@phoenixrising4995]

Same reason I went with Intel ARC. I got the ARC LE A770 with 16GB of VRAM, I'm fine playing at 60HZ and it does 1080/1440P really well, even 4K with upscaling tech enabled. Plus alot of the ultra settings like bloom, god rays, motion blur, just make the screen look more blurry. So I'm fine with the card I chose. AMD and Nvidia may be for high rollers but If they want to leave mid-range and low end behind than Intel can pick it up for all I care. I got mine for $300 USD with an in store rebate. Performance is like a 3060 with RT and slightly higher than a 3070 in raster performance.

[@MrJackal64]

Surely I'm not the only one that has seen people trying to sell an empty box!

[@ericjbowman1708]

5:45 My favorite fleabay scam was a camera I bought, with flash attachment, new in box. I got a beat-up old camera, with a new-in-box flash. Sneaky!

[@jdog631]

About 3 or 4 months ago I got an RTX 3070 for my system for $350 plus $15 shipping used off of eBay. Guy used it less than a year, it's a 3-fan MSI model. It's been nothing but great to me, and I couldn't find a new 3070 anywhere else for less than $550-600. Used parts can save you big time, you just have to be careful with them.

[@SingularSolarus]

Good one! Perhaps a bit better than the Dell pull (that would be very little usage, but not three fan card) 3060 Ti that I got for $350 (shipping included) off eBay in early October. The Ti version of the 3060 is significantly better than the 3060 and not that far off from the 3070. I plan to do a full upgrade to a more crazy card in a couple years with a complete system refresh (3060Ti is just to tide me over from the GTX 970 I was using since 2015).

[@armandomartinez2699]

Just did the same thing and am upgrading from a 980ti. Can't wait to see the massive gainz.

[@brkbtjunkie]

Even if it was used for mining, I would pay that. I ran 24 mining cards during the pandemic and only 2 failed, and they were the same model where the fan bearings failed. The circuitry was fine.

[@danielcarr9572]

Just pick up a 3070 for 410 used for my first build. Will be putting it together Saturday. I'm super excited. Got a 13600k for it as well.

[@formdoggie5]

@jd make sure you do the upgrade to the VRAM heat tape. 3080's and 3090's are notoriously bad for blowing up their VRAM if you don't have the proper thickness tape to ensure contact with the backplate and the heatsink. Don't believe the "its made to to run at 100c" hype.

[@lxtwin]

The 3070ti is around £700, as is some of the RX6800XT and for £50 to £100 more a RX6800XT and as you said the 3080s / 3080ti here is around £1,500, which is more than the 4080, and the 4070 could be close to the 3070. So like many, I don't know what to do and know that if I get something now and pay a lot then I am also keeping the process high.

[@armed_but_blind2768]

You can get a 6900xt from overclockers for £700. £650 if they still have b grade stock in. It's been a few days since I checked but they aren't as expensive now as they used to be

[@jondonnelly4831]

I'm happy with my 7900xt I got for £900. It is cheaper than 3090ti, faster, uses less power and is new. Yes it is worse value than xtx but not by much and plenty fast.

[@lxtwin]

@@armed_but_blind2768 I was looking at this on OC - Asrock Radeon RX 6900 XT Extreme Formula 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card GX-00N-AK £749.99, but the RX 6950 XT MSI seems close or around the same price as the 6900XT - MSI Radeon RX 6950 XT GAMING X TRIO 16G £753.48 on Amazon. Don't you get fed up with always being ripped off? Our heating was over £400 this month, so it's heating vs food vs a graphics card.

[@vidyamancer7135]

Yep, the prices are insane. Why would a 3080 Ti cost more than a 4080? I got myself a Radeon RX 6750 XT for 1440p gaming and I'm satisfied with raster performance between the 3070 and 3070 Ti.

[@armed_but_blind2768]

@@lxtwin it's upto you mate at the end of the day I nearly got the 6800xt but in the end I settled for 6700xt and will wait for the rest of the next gen cards to come out.

[@Deadpool-ODST]

I am still running my RTX 2070 Super. I am upgrading my system from a 6700k. I am either going with a 11900k and keeping my 2070S or going 12700k and upgrading to a 3070. In my area the 12700k is about 100€ more than the 11900k and the 3070 is about 550€ new. Is it worth it right now?

[@JimmehE]

I have a 1080ti and have been looking for the next leap I'm very tempted by the 7900 but would want 60fps rt. For preference ao looks like I am stuck in a holding pattern hoping for better drivers and testing from amd or a pricing wake up from nvidia as 1k is my limit

[@Sp3llmen]

I got a 3070ti when the prices were finally down at 875$ after tax AND shipping. That same card now is something like 930$ before tax and shipping. If you want to get a new gpu, honestly just wait a little longer at this point. Or go with something cheap like I did before. I got a cheap ass 1650 to hold myself off tell I could spend more.

[@Johnnybanarna]

Just got mine for 750, i am happy with that

[@mattshelton7423]

I’ve been looking for a 12GB 3070ti, but haven’t been able to even find them in stock, much less at that price…😢

[@solomchuk]

Thinking of getting a used 3070 off Ebay for up to £400 ($400 equivalent accounting for taxes and exchange rate), to replace my GTX980. Gonna be a temporary measure until there's something in the high-mid range for a reasonable price.

[@TheCudder4life]

If it's going to just be temporary, you might be better off waiting for the mid-range cards of the current gen but you never know. It could take forever for those to be available since everything sells out in about 5 minutes of less now.

[@Jenna_Talia]

@@TheCudder4life Yeah I'm not buying into 7000/4000 series hype cause they just will not be available for a long, long while. And if they do end up available they'll probably be stupidly expensive.

[@hzhen6339]

I'm in the same position as you, I have a 970 but I'm not sure if I want to buy Used or wait for msrp to go down, yet if I wait I'm worried that scalpers will snatch it off the shelves before me. it's a double edged sword....

[@justaverage7610]

Would you risk buying a used product tho? Personally I'm done buying used gpu's, bought 2 so far this year. A 1660 super first, then a 2060 super. 1660 super only lasted a month and the 2060 super for only 3. Both used on mining, sellers told me they we're cleaned and well maintained. 1660s mined for about a year and 2060s almost 2 years. Too bad I couldn't check the unit personally, but seller sent me pics and vids stress testing gpu's before sending to me.

[@Aaron14LifeZZZ]

@@justaverage7610 i bought my 2nd GPU on ebay, communicate with the seller and if the person has really good reviews then the item should be good to buy. Manage to snag a rtx 3070ti for a good price

[@ProfiN00b]

I ended up getting a used watercooled 3080ti. I get my used pc hardware from a forum and have had good experience in the 8 or so years I have been doing so. For watercooled stuff its usually worth it since used a watercooled card is barely more than the air cooled ones.

[@loganbenson8675]

I’m super new into pc building and ik this is probably a dumb question, but how big of a pain is it replacing a gpu with one from a different manufacturer? Like NVIDIA to MSI for example. Hope that makes sense! Great vid

[@revoracer3]

This makes me happy with the $300 3060 ti fe I picked up used this week, came with paperwork, used for 6 months, I needed a better card for my backup pc. I have stress tested this card and it works great.

[@singular9]

Yep. 300-400$ is all anyone ever needs. Screw these companies

[@Aktzin]

I just bought a 3070 strix for $430, but I could've gone even cheaper with a $350 3070 from gigabyte. The used market for gpus is where to look rn.

[@phoenixrising4995]

I got the ARC LE A770 with 16GB of VRAM, I'm fine playing at 60HZ and it does 1080/1440P really well, even 4K with upscaling tech enabled. Plus alot of the ultra settings like bloom, god rays, motion blur, just make the screen look more blurry. So I'm fine with the card I chose. AMD and Nvidia may be for high rollers but If they want to leave mid-range and low end behind than Intel can pick it up for all I care. I got mine for $300 USD with an in store rebate. Performance is like a 3060 with RT and slightly higher than a 3070 in raster performance.

[@revoracer3]

@@phoenixrising4995 I ordered the Arc LE a770 last night, ( it will be here Wednesday) I'm looking forward to testing it out and overclocking it so see what kind of performance I can get out of it!

[@willj3145]

I bought a 6800xt a few weeks ago for $540. I have only owned nvidia gpus so was a little hesitant to buy amd, but seeing how it beats the 3070ti and the 3080 in rasterization in most games, it was well worth it for me. I used the $200-$300 i saved to put towards a new monitor.

[@ChosenOneDan]

yea absolutely that 6800xt was a awesome grab. you don't need dlss when you're at over 100+ fps at 1440p ultra. and raytracing just isn't in enough games yet to care.

[@uforiia]

I got mine about a month back for the same price and I've loved it. Also stepped up from a 2700x to a 5700x for 150$ new

[@js-vl8ct]

This is what I have decided on as well, still see them around near $600 while they last. Hoping that waiting to buy until CES doesn't kick me in the ass. I'm still nervous about getting an AMD card. I had one back in the R9 days and it lasted a week of crashing constantly. After the RMA I got a 970 and have been nvidia ever since. Have you had any glaring issues with your card?

[@uforiia]

@@js-vl8ct if I try to push past 2680 mhz at 1050mV in some games I crash. But if I don't tweak I basically don't have any crashes. Cod warzone was stutters and crashes every third game on release but it's been good since the updates. I play Valhalla 1440p max settings over 100fps. Warzone is max settings 140ish (depending on cpu also). I stream and with cpu encoding and I run at 1080 60 fps no stutters in any game

[@uforiia]

@@js-vl8ct buy the card and push it a little right when you get it and see what it can do. Then lower it down so it stays cool and it will run like a dream. If it doesn't return it !

[@xyzCrake]

i got a 4090 msi liquid suprim to replace the 3080 aorus waterforce i bought in april last year. 3080 got replaced because it was DOA, kept crashing, black screens and fans zooming at 100%. Got a 3050 in my machine and just waited until the 4090 released. Took 3 months for the liquid suprim to actually arive though, but it was the only 4090 that would actually fit in my case, even with a vertical bracket.

[@GMWyt]

If someone help me. I only really want fps so 1080p is the rez I am shooting for with games. What graphics card should I aim for? Main games are WoW, Single player story games, then sometimes first person shooters like halo or cod. Was wanting to stick with intel i5 for my first pc

[@baddmint]

I just PO a 7900 xtx off Overclockers here in the UK it was a lot of money but i havent had a new GPU since the 980ti i got 5+ years ago it died randomly so i took to ebay and got a RX 480 for i have had it 3 years or so and its still going strong and im pretty sure it was a mining card.

[@freakfir]

Hey Jay, big fan here from Malaysia. Thanks to your videos/advice, i managed to build my first ever budget-build. -NZXT H210 -Asrock B560 m/itx -I5-11400f -PowerColor RX6600 (wish i could get a better one but it's what i could afford...) -Kingston Fury 8GBx2 3200mhz -ID-Cooling Frostflow X 240 - PushPull Intake Config using 4 120 static pressure fans (thanks to your push/pull/pushpull vid and fan types vids) wish i could send you a picture but it's nothing compared to the ones featured on your videos 😅 Keep up the good work (especially the tutorials), it really helps us newcomers!

[@woofkaf7724]

mitx is not a budget-build

[@joelconolly5574]

@@woofkaf7724 it's budget when the price is right.

[@freakfir]

​@@woofkaf7724 sorry allow me to clarify. -Chipset is from a previous pre-built (reused) -B series mobo as opposed to Z series (budget option) -fans/AIO and accessories are from ID-Cooling, a budget option, instead of Noctua or BeQuiet etc -NZXT H210 case was on sale for MYR 140 (about 30usd) -traded in my GTX1660 Super from pre-built for RX6600, paid half of the cost. so yes, it is a budget-build 😅

[@ejolnafaz2357]

@@woofkaf7724 mitx can be a budget build since you can get a mother around 100 dollar, and case can be cheap. Most importantly different people have different budget value and limit

[@bluesharkmadness7101]

Jay2kupang

[@c_j73]

Mine is a 1st world problem. TLDR - I purchased a 7900XTX as i found one for £1,049.00 in stock fingers crossed delivered 24th Dec! Thats acceptable loss to me given this card is worth realistically £800 ?? ---- I don't get much time to game during most of the year, but when Dec hits, it's my peak gaming time! (I travel a LOT with work, and no SteamDeck does not scratch the massive screen candy itch). I've been waiting to upgrade for years and years, and running stuff on low settings just takes the fun and immersion for me. As much as I hate the situation of the pricing at the moment, I also want to enjoy the hobby I basically get to use for a very short time of the year. I can 100% afford to get a 2K 4090, but it breaks any logic to spend that much F*****g money on a single component its just plain wrong and I point blank refuse! MSRP yes ok fine, but that is rarer than unicorn tears. Totally agree with Steve's take on MSRP is just thrown out there to never be reached after launch. At first i was supper annoyed with AMDs 7900XTX pricing as AIB cards are plus 150-200 on the MSRP which is 4080 territory which is overinflated. Initially I thought AMD done what NVIDIA done and basically MSRP is like a dream price that is never going to be achievable. However, it seems that the Reference cards are trickling through and stocks are being replenished, hopefully this carries on and if people are happy with this over inflation loss better than the 4080 inflation loss then its a buy a just enjoy, stop reading all the rubbish and blank it out. I managed to snag a PowerColor reference card for £1,049.00 (yesterday 22nd Dec) delivery 24th Dec (fingers crossed!). Its a case of horses for courses - for me i am happy with a 200-300 loss, totally get that some people are not in the same position as me, but equally this is my hobby and i want to enjoy it.... sadly these companies are taking the p*** out of us! Sorry if you think i've fed the devil by making the purchase, but equally life is short and i want to enjoy the things i want to enjoy.

[@ichdiemichdie4946]

I can totally relate. It was a hard decision but I went for an all AMD build this time so I can use the CPU till the socket isnt supported anymore and but the 3D-V-Cache newest CPU before they introduce the new socket to save some bucks. Since I dont have a focus on RTX games AMD was cheaper AND I wawnted to support AMD this time. Yes the prices of GPUs are ridiculous but AMD managed to make a new GPU architecture AND drop the price for it at the same time. Im quite excited what that means for RDNA 4.

[@rushxp]

I got a 7900XTX Powercolor reference card a few days ago aswell. In my country the 4080 costs 400-500 euros more than the 7900XTX. The last AMD card I had before was about 15 years ago. The 7900XTX replaced my old 2080Ti and it completely blew my fucking mind @ 1440p.

[@ichdiemichdie4946]

@@rushxp mine replaced a 2070s but I also got a XFX Speedster Merc 310. I looked for a bigger card on purpose because I need low temps so my fans are low and quiet

[@lukefoxwell]

I feel very much the same. I could have easily dropped the money for a 4090 but I felt like they was taking the mick. I order a 7900xtx PowerColor referenced card for £1049.00 yesterday too, getting delivered today which is a shock as I thought it would have been after Christmas. Got mine from CCL. I feel the 7900xtx is the lesser of the 2 evils. Also I have a MATX build so it's nice to have a card that's smaller than my current one.

[@klimentdukovski]

Exactly why I opted for asus rog strix laptops, which offer great pefrormance for half the price of full rig

[@reganmorben9248]

Straight up good advice Jay.

[@S9anky]

2 years ago just a week before the pandemic here in the UK I managed to get a GTX1070 Jetstream for £200 after upgrading from twin EVGA GTX780ti’s in SLI and was lucky as managed to sell them at £125 each. I’m itching for a new card as using dual monitors but at the prices of GPU’s at the moment I’m staying way clear

[@roynorton4000]

Kinda done with the Nvidia tax, I just bought a new MSI Gaming X Trio 6900 XT for £670.99 new delivered here in the UK, ray tracing isn't high on my list so this will be a great for for my system as I run a 5800 X3D at 3440 x 1440P

[@scotianbank]

Did you mean £679? Because if it's £67.9 then send me one please! XD

[@superrane]

😂😂

[@mariuszszewczyk2277]

Nice, I'm I. The same mindset. Especially since I felt Nvidia screwed us over last time. I have a similar setup, what's your fps at for some games? I got my 7900 xtx on the way

[@roynorton4000]

@@scotianbank my bad, seems I can't type today, if they were £67 I'd have bough 10!!

[@roynorton4000]

@@mariuszszewczyk2277 I don't have the card as yet as I only ordered it yesterday, I'm currently running a Strix 1080Ti on water, it's been solid but the 6900xt will be a great upgrade.

[@MrDarkcore]

I will buy a 4080 when 50 series comes out and the price drops. 😂

[@john-or9cf]

…and all the bugs are worked out…just upgraded from a 2080S to a 3080 and it will work just fine for a long time.

[@MrDarkcore]

@Kristof Molnar if it’s that much, made 4060 if they make one. 😂

[@john-or9cf]

@Kristof Molnar …don’t forget the “benefits” of inflation! Oh wait…

[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

I sure hope things settle down soon--I want to buy a new GPU this spring, and I can't afford the higher-end cards at all. My current card is like ten years old. Ghod, I hate being poor. Last time I bought a used card, it turned out to be broken...and I didn't get it into the computer until it was too late to try returning.

[@gassyjr9970]

I got my 3080 FE for 550 from Jawa but I'm pretty sure it has stock thermal pads so I need to replace those bc memory junction temps reach 110C (so adding another 50, putting it at 600 for the GPU essentially). A good price regardless.

[@HarshWinter101]

Man this sucks. Here in New Zealand we generally get a shit variety of PC hardware either way but you used to get 80 cards for 1200NZD now they are around 2500-2700NZD

[@Kryptic1046]

I have a 4k/120hz monitor. If I were starting from scratch and had to pick something on a relative budget to drive it right now, I'd probably pick the 6950XT for $800 or less. That card is fantastic for its current asking price. It holds its own with some of the newer-gen cards in some titles for a fraction of the price.

[@DanielGonzalez-zp3oo]

Right now I have a 2070 and my main gaming is VR, so having the VR headset plus 2 1080p monitors I have noticed a couple jitters, so I might upgrade to a 3070 or 3080 but I honestly wouldn't go past that with these prices

[@Duke49th]

In November I paid (converted to USD) around 330 USD. For an AORUS triple fan RTX 3060 TI. But it was second hand, from a store, with sealed/unbroken stickers on the card/screws and I doubt it was used for mining, since it was manufactured in March or April 2022. But even if so, then not for long. And I got still 1 year warranty from the store. Lucky moment that my old AMD RX 480 not died earlier or much later lol...

[@slaaneshgod]

I like to stream VR so 3070 ti was about the minimum that could handle it sadly. I truly wish intel or amd would figure out their software issues so that it would work with VR and streaming better. I would love to go something other than the green monster. so far though its the option I need atm. I am waiting for 40 series to come down and them to release the more mid range cards. hopefully the other two can figure their stuff out eventually.

[@tomblomfield6973]

I used to use a 1060 6gb for vr for the past 4 years and recently upgraded to a 3090ti and omg it’s suuuuch a massive jump

[@slaaneshgod]

@@tomblomfield6973 I know my 3070 ti made a huge difference. I hade a 1060 6gb myself and while it will play VR, streaming it was just too much for the poor thing. Now I actually can.

[@tomblomfield6973]

@@slaaneshgod yeah for sure! Back in 2018 when I built it the 1060 felt fine but that was with my rift s. It just didn’t have the same performance with the quest 2 but it ran

[@slaaneshgod]

@@tomblomfield6973 I didnt stream back then either. LOL

[@nicolajtrsleff1661]

Got a 7900 XT. VR is perfectly fine. Upgraded from 3080. For some reason, I just needed to avoid opening the Adrenaline Software center. The extra ram (from 10 to 20) is pretty great for better textures. Half Life Alyx runs on higher settings with stable 90 fps, low latency and low frame times. Maybe the hotfix driver update fixed VR-issues.

[@Lord_Deimos]

In my country a 3080 costs $950 while a 4080 starts from $1500, shit has gotten too much out of hand...

[@Faith_L3S5-ZERO]

should i just buy rx 7k series instead then? i'm so confused on what to pick..

[@sykopro]

I built my system like 6 months ago and wound up going with two Asus Posiedon 1080 ti cards I got for a deal from a friend. GPU prices are insane. I am really watching Intel Arc hoping they turn out to be good cards with realistic price points.

[@Saddedude]

1080ti performs well at 1440p with maxxed out graphics settings and no ray tracing in many modern titles. 4k its definately struggling. Mine was like 45fps in rdr2 4k

[@alecevison3336]

@@Saddedude I feel like human eyes are reaching the limit for appreciating higher and higher resolutions, the jump from 1080 to 1440 is very noticeable, 2k to 4k somewhat noticeable and 4k to 8k so marginal. Glad I bought a 1080ti back in the day. When the consumer starts speaking with their wallets that's when shitbag companies like nvidia listen, however unfortunately since AI is the future and nvidia has monopolized that market in terms of chip production, us gamers are probably shit out of luck.

[@realzmedic7099]

This was a really good video. I've been going through this dilemma myself for the past several months and have been window-shopping the 30 series card for the longest time. I just recently made the purchase of a 4080 due to the fact that it was cheaper than any 3090s as well as some 3080s (at the time of my purchase) that I have seen. I originally was hesitant on getting a 40 series card with the pricing and some of the known issues with the cable adapter however, looking into it a bit, jay points out the biggest factor being why pay more for a 30 series for less performance. Another thing to point out is the idea or the thought of timing the market. The GPU market right now is in an odd area and you’re better buying the market vs timing the market with the more higher end cards. I remember when there was a 3080(New) for $820, and it lasted only for 1 day. Next day it skyrocketed to $1049. I could’ve bought that card but thought that it would go down a little bit more. Realistically, depending on what games or programs you are going to be using, it might not be worth getting a new gen or even last gen card. If you are building a new system but only play indie titles or non demanding games, mid range cards are going to be your best bet with some 3070s or even the AMD cards, if you play demanding titles or use programs like Blender, premiere, etc. you are better off with 40s cards as it will give you overall better performance for your buck. I personally think overall if you are going through the dilemma, ask yourself what games/ programs you are going to use, how often do I use your computer, and how long do you want your system to last for. It's these questions that will help you in the long run.

[@TBerq]

Really good insight on your thought process. I’m in a similar boat. I’ve been waiting since 3080 released due to mining craze and I’ve been eyeing the 3080 since the drop in price in May/June. They dropped to about $1300-1500 back then. Yes, I know that’s still too much, but that was the lowest I could find them for here in Turkey. Now they’re still around $950-1200 and 4080’s are $1700-1950 (tax included). I won’t get a 4090 due to price, having a 850W PSU and I want to get a high refresh rate 2K monitor, not 4K anyway. There’s only a galax and zotac in stock for over $2300 anyway. Anyway, my point is that I’m getting really tired of all this waiting. I know it’s not great value, but I’m spending time, not playing the games I want to play. I have a 1070 Ti which has accompanied me well the past 5 years btw. I don’t want to buy AMD, because I like to create content and I want the NVENC encoder. I only saw a couple 7900 XTX listings for $1700 which oddly enough stated they were ASUS, but used reference card image.

[@FrozenArmada]

I’m right there with you. Just picked up the 4080 and my thought process was very similar to yours.

[@realzmedic7099]

The only other thing I forgot to mention is that if you are really dedicated towards a higher end card, check every reliable website that distributes them(Amazon, Newegg, microcenter, bestbuy or even local computer shops) some of the big companies like bestbuy will sometimes drop the price on a card at a huge discount with no explanation or reason but will be new, unopened, and at a good price. I had bought a Msi 2080 x trio for 600 back when they first came out. Never had a single issue with and was the best deal I ever gotten in a pc part. Also if you have credit cards with cash back rewards, buy other parts for your system first with the card, and then use some of the rewards to help lower the overall cost of the graphics card. It’s just some of the methods I use to help me save me money

[@BlackOpsSNIPER5665]

I just bought a 4080 at msrp. I know everyone's hoping for a price drop across the board, but at the moment it's just so tough. Feels like everything on the high end is just priced so high that it just feels like a loss buying anything atm. I know you can find deals on used gpu's, I just don't like getting something that might have been used for mining.

[@joaoie]

I've been looking out for upgrades and what I'm going to do is buy a 20 series or 5xxx series used and just sell it on when the next gen mid/low range comes out =

[@ShibaApex]

There needs to be more GPU competitors

[@takeit1229]

I know people that paid $1300 for 3070ti's and $1600 for 3080ti's over the past couple years. I waited and these prices for better performance isn't a dilemma, it's validation that waiting paid off.

[@mathnerd25]

I grabbed a 3080ti for 1200 about 3 months ago. I waited long enough! Obviously not long enough in the long run.

[@edh615]

@@mathnerd25 a second hand 3090 for 570€ a month and a half ago lmao

[@papa_andy4497]

I got lucky and one of my classmates sold me his 3070 for $300! Works like a charm too.

[@Yulo2000Leyje]

Just jealous ! Great deal !

[@Dismal626]

To your point about EVGA arranged - I had a 970 that crapped out right at the end of my warranty when they weren't making them anymore. EVGA replaced it with a 1060 6GB. So yeah they won't always have the stock to replace your exact card, but they'll still give you something.

[@johnnylastname9138]

Upgrading from a Vega 64 for a 1080p, 165hz panel. 6900 XT made perfect sense. I was watching prices for a few months, and the Red Devil (The one I was really going for) never got below my $800 threshold in that time. However, Microcenter listed an Asus Strix Hybrid card for $730. Apart from a little bit of the usual driver weirdness, it's been amazing.

[@AgentSmith1902]

How'd you resolved driver issues? Been hearing some AMD buyers facing such issues lately but I dont think I should let that highly dissuade me from getting AMD instead of NVIDIA just for convenience sake.

[@johnnylastname9138]

@@AgentSmith1902 Honestly just reinstalling works 90% of the time. I do a clean install when I update so that basically does it preemptively. The only issues I was getting were stuff like the game recording / streaming stuff would stop working, but that's only happened a couple times, and a reinstall has always fixed it

[@AgentSmith1902]

@@johnnylastname9138 So a clean install did the trick! Gotcha. Thanks for sharing. AMD GPUs could really save some money for me. An alternative would've been the resale market which I do see some decent prices for RTX 2070/80s.

[@NightHawk7870XT]

When i was buying parts for my pc around July-September i got a xfx merc 319 rx 6800 XT from amazon for about 619 i originally wanted a rtx 3070 which at the time was 596. The XFX MERC 319 RX 6800XT is currently 649.99

[@fynkozari9271]

I prefer shadowplay over relive. Is relive still good today? It cant record the audio of the last few minutes if u play too long.

[@NightHawk7870XT]

@Fyn Kozari nah I dnt use that I use my elgato

[@ProduktOfEv0lution]

I got my Merc 6900 XT Black edition for $659 on best buy

[@samuelconner7114]

I was able to pick out in October and pick up the asrock 6800xt phantom for 550 with a work bonus and it’s been working like a dream. Maybe see if they drop back down around that price.

[@marxmaiale9981]

If you're doing a build and don't quite have enough for the graphics card you want, consider your time frame for saving enough money. If it's not very long, consider Integrated graphics as the stop gap. They are not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but you're playing on low settings for a while. This has the lowest cost to implement and will always available (bonus to people who do video as they should have this anyway). Next up in the scale are the used cards, check around with your friend group for a card someone upgraded from. Then comes the B stock from manufacturers and returned stock in a local store. Next comes the online places in this video. Any money you spend on an old product is unlikely to be resold in the future for enough to cover your time and frustration of the listing.