S1E3 Sprinter Van Conversion | Maxx Fan Install

[@JaznLori]

The Maxx Fans work great, especially the front one which is mainly used to extract hot air and fumes when cooking. We could survive without the back one, but it does come in handy on really hot days! *I bought the PUTTY TAPE from a guy on eBay, who was selling his last stock. It seems to be a hard thing to find. Ep.3 BLOG + PRICE BREAKDOWN - www.jazmorton.com/van-conversion/maxx-fan-install/ Season 1 Van Build - bit.ly/VanBuildS1 Season 2 Van Life - bit.ly/VanLifeS2

[@voidabstraction]

I was mainly looking at a roof fan for condensation in winter. How'd you find that went? TBH I think, given I've got a Hiace Commuter with lots of windows... just having the passenger front window ajar, and the rear driverside window ajar and having an inside fan blowing towards the back when I'm sleeping etc. Hoping that's going to stop condensation, as I didn't really want to spend the extra $400 on a roof fan, plus adding height and if I screwed up the install :P

[@adamheeley285]

Random question but I am trying to set up my van. What do people connect their 12V DC RV roof fan/vent to if they have a solar system in their van??? From what I have seen inverters only have AC outlets?? am I missing something??? Thanks

[@JaznLori]

@@adamheeley285 hey Adam they connect it to there 2nd battery (dual battery) or (house battery) that powers all the things in the back of there van. It is connected generally to a DC fuse board, which is powered by there house battery

[@chrisweinlich8154]

Have been using Jaz’s awesome videos for every step of the way of our van build. I also struggled to find the thick putty tape which was used but managed to get the result by using a few layers of this from Bunnings: www.bunnings.com.au/one-on-one-48mm-x-5m-heavy-duty-double-sided-sealing-tape_p1091267 Just make sure to cover it all with sikaflex to be triple sure. I am no expert but just thought it might be helpful in future for others. instagram.com/_boltthesprinter/

[@relo4727]

@@chrisweinlich8154 Was helpful to me.

[@jeffdidit8740]

Tip: (from my experience) I installed a Maxx air fan on my 2013 transit connect, and i also installed a bug screen in my doorway. Now this video has two fans, but i only have one. Typically you want to suck out the hot air in the summer, but i was today sitting in my van and noticing bugs were collecting on my bug screen when my door is open cause i like to not feel enclosed. I started thinking about it 🤔. So with my fan sucking air out and my door with the bug screen being the intake, it was causing a negative pressure effect on my van. I then experimented with reversing the fan so it blows in, positively pressurizing the van and using my door with the bug screen as my exhaust, and instantly, the bugs flew away. I'm pretty sure the bugs were flying by and got sucked to the screen, which was probably unpleasant cause it's sprayed with a homemade peppermint, tea tree oil, lavender, rosemary, and eucalyptus spray i made to spray my doorways. Anyway, I've had a few bugs come back, but not nearly as many. My 2¢ won't hurt to try for yourself, and if it doesn't, well that took 2 minutes.

[@alyssareach5287]

Best van diy I've seen. Completely informative.

[@JaznLori]

Appreciate all the support!

[@adesades01]

the van is coming along great Jaz. measure twice, cut once, like your style.

[@JaznLori]

Thanks mate slowly getting there, measure 20 times cut once 😅

[@nwnapper2]

Jaz, You have done a very nice job on this van. I just bought a 2015 and will be camperizing it. I would suggest to anybody else who is installing fans to use a hole saw for the corners as round corners will try to stop any tearing of the metal skin of the van. Really nice job mate.

[@JaznLori]

great tip thanks mate, and i would suggest using a jigsaw instead of grinder too like i didnt' haha

[@mlmredstripe]

Very well constructed and easy to follow. This series is the best I've seen.

[@JaznLori]

Thanks a lot Matt super glad it's good value to you!

[@TopsMiah]

I am addicted 4th or 5th video of yours watching and LIKING...

[@JaznLori]

Appreciation 10/10!

[@lonrestoration4368]

Hi,best video on maxxfan instalation I've seen, fitting 2 on a stealth van this weekend. Good channel will watch all your van build videos before hand. watching from Camden Town London England. stay safe be lucky. Steve.

[@JensGraikowski]

Your channel was recommended to me by Snow & Curt and I'm glad they did! Those videos will help me enormously when I finally start my own build. Keep up the good work, mate! 👍🏼😉

[@JaznLori]

I'm so glad!

[@davidjones6643]

Thanks for sharing all your work Jaz, it will be so valuable when we decide to go Van Life!

[@JaznLori]

glad it can help david appreciate you watching mate!

[@chrischan7648]

Thanks. Your build vids are super easy to follow and full of good ideas. Awesome.

[@john81065]

Glad to finally find an Aussie build! I'm only at the planning stage but your vids and material lists are great. I'm in Melb. Subscribed.

[@JaznLori]

Thanks John appreciate it 👍🏼

[@normanmazlin6741]

Over your stove it might be good to fit a range hood. This will reduce steam and oil spread in the van. You only need a small 150mm additional vent hole above it. I got one this year from CaravansPlus in ACT - it has a built in downlight and clock as well.

[@JaznLori]

Awesome will have a look at this, and test out my kitchen maxx fan for the job also and see how that holds up. Thanks a lot!

[@jmeleopard]

great video man, you make it seem very straight forward and not complicated. I've subscribed and will be watching all your videos!

[@JaznLori]

Thanks heaps for supporting!

[@Livetoroam]

Hi Mate, great info! Have you seen anywhere in Australia that sells putty tape? most butyl tape here seem to be a foam rather than a putty... Even on AU Ebay. Might have to get some from the states.

[@JaznLori]

Thanks a lot Tyler! I had the same problem, I got lucky on eBay and bought from a small private seller someone was throwing out their old supply. I got it dirt cheap. Somebody in Australia would but it's just a matter of finding them.

[@outthevan6531]

Thanks for this Jaz, very detailed. Super helpful for a fellow aussie trying to do the same without an adapter and decor lap sealant.

[@Jasfras1]

Wow the fan looks great and not going to leak.

[@JaznLori]

Thanks I'm hoping not!

[@junglegoose4648]

Never knew the lead singer from arctic monkeys fitted roof fans, great vid!

[@comeridewithus]

Hey Jaz, hoping for a update on how the Sika you have used has held up after all this time?

[@dutchyFal]

Nice video Jaz, you really know what your doing. I will keep following your project! Going to make my own sprinter camper aswell, only its a '98 sprinter. Keep up the good work! Greets from the Netherlands !

[@JaznLori]

Thanks Falco! Honestly I don't always know what I'm doing I make it up on the fly sometimes, or I think for a long time on which way or how to do something, also I watch other van conversions and pick ideas that I like too. It is all one big learning experience for me haha, enjoy your conversion!

[@softdorothy]

I think you have the right idea - two vents to move the air through. On a budget I feel you could have replaced the rear MaxxFan with a just a simpler vent or a skylight that opens. Two fans running doesn't seem to be required to move the air through..

[@glennr9913]

My 2016 Sprinter has large vents on the top of the dash, so I don't think you really need to even add one on the roof. There's a large filter under the hood, on the passenger side, that goes to the vents. I think there's an exit vent somewhere hidden in the right rear corner too. I'm just mounting a Maxxfan in the rear of my van, to pull air from the front.

[@lancebaker1374]

At 5:12, it's better to take the shroud off after drilling the pilot holes and drill larger holes in the shroud to allow the screws to slip freely. Then the screws pull the shroud down better.

[@mommaceleste]

Two fans! Brilliant!

[@JaznLori]

Much appreciated!

[@paulystp]

I’m about to install this fan because my factory fitted vent leaked. What I realised when i watched your install was the final peace that you didn’t install because you don’t have an internal roof was that you could silicone the inside giving you more protection from water damage which is what I’m going to do .nice vid thanks. Beware of mixing butyl tape with silicone

[@JaznLori]

Good idea mate thanks a lot!

[@LScott97]

Fantastic videos! Well done 👍👍👍

[@HardIsEasy]

Do you have any rattling sound from the fan when driving on bad road? And On higher speeds do you get wind noise from it? I'm wondering why we needed to lift those metal pins.... that seems oddd....

[@JaznLori]

I don't get any rattling sound and there might be the slightest wind (as in outside noise) but no whistling or anything like that they are great fans and very solid

[@BeautyScholar]

Such a great clear video - thank-you!

[@JaznLori]

no worries glad it helped!

[@alekhurst]

Did you consider an AC unit instead of one of the fans? I know it takes ~5x more power, but with your advanced electrical system you could probably run it for a couple of hours a day & the insulation would keep the van cool.

[@JaznLori]

I gave it thought but didn't opt for it, I didn't think i really need one and the fans handle pretty well :)

[@yoggor3902]

Man these are super entertaining as well as informative. Or could it be that i really want to do this for myself? :D Wish there was a way to make these last longer, on episode 3 and already dreading reaching the end, my only solace being that you regularly upload videos. No homo

[@JaznLori]

Ha Cheers bro appreciate all the support man!

[@spongebobsquaretits]

theres another youtuber i subscribe to , he has a few van conversion videos that i like to watch a) to learn and b) because his voice is really relaxing . No Homo either lol

[@jasminesiva629]

Hey Jaz, thanks for the vid 😁 I'm doing a sprinter conversion myself but where did you buy the putty tape from I've been to so many shops 😅 thanks so much, jazz

[@ducaclaus]

very good idea, but have you ever think about the foam? what is the difference? foam and the manual process of insulation? price? good job for your van!!! very good

[@JaznLori]

Thanks a lot! Do you mean the spray of foam, that covers everywhere? I thought about it but I want flexibility to run wires and a cavity in the walls for future cabling if necessary, I just think it is easier the way I'm doing it

[@ducaclaus]

exactly, what I was talking about, because I m doing mine, and I m at this point to choose it. because I use less wood, and use more metal so could be more thin and hang more pound. gRate job so far, waiting your next video

[@JaznLori]

Okay i see, really it is purely up to personal preference, this wad my preference, and depends on how you are building your van, budget etc etc haha

[@OrsoInternational]

Just used your video to install my fan today - thanks a lot! Was super helpful

[@VT-vy9jv]

I figured the screws would be overkill with the sikaflex but it’s probably best aye

[@gavinblake6531]

Great video , can i ask what the music in the middle of the vid is ? thanks

[@nomadicbydesign0]

Loved this one! We're just about to install our two Fantastic Vents which are also bio-directional. A bit nervous about making that final cut in the metal ceiling but you've certainly given us the confidence to go ahead. Thanks :)

[@JaznLori]

Thanks a lot you'll be fine :)

[@literallystupid9041]

I am very proud to be your 1000th like. You deserve it.

[@JaznLori]

Haha thank you legend! If only I had a prize to offer haha

[@FBall-im8ui]

hELLO jaz, I saw a fellow, Kenetube, install this fan and he purchased and used an adapter for his install, too late for You but i bought the adapter and i belive it may make for an easier install. good idea to install 2, thanks

[@JaznLori]

I saw the exact same video and looked to where I can buy this but couldn't find anywhere in Australia, and didn't want to wait for shipping. Little bit more effort my way but my adapter roll cost me $5 😂 she water tight mate 👍

[@Milo19970]

I need to install 2 pretty soon thank goodness I have a weld machine just in case I mess up😂 never done it before

[@phillypauly]

Great series Mate- I like that you clean up after each step - it pays off later. One question: Why are the 2 fans offset as in not in-line or on center? Better air flow or is that based on where things will be positioned?

[@JaznLori]

Thanks a lot mate it definitely does pay to clean up often haha. The front fan is going to be closer and above where I will be cooking, that's why it's offset, also the shower construction wouldn't allow center position. The back fan is center above where the bed will be, and also needs to be center as there are overhead cupboards on each side

[@Jazbo777]

I love love love how you show every step and make it simple, but could you please show how you connected the fan to power? Or if the fans run on batteries can you lease show me how I will change those batteries? (I’m brand new at this l) Thank you very much.😊

[@JaznLori]

In the video the fans were connected to a temporary 12V supply. But later this was changed to the house battery in the back of the van which was installed later, which is a dedicated 12V supply, I would go and watch Ep.9 and Ep.13 which go in depth on the battery system, and also check the related blog posts on my website which break it all down. Thank you

[@Jazbo777]

Ty

[@shaybarnickle5269]

Hey man, love the video. I noticed on the MaxxFan instructions it says to only install on a minimum roof thickness of 1 1/8” and to build it up with wood, etc if it isn’t that thick. Did you end up adding wood or other materials? Or is it okay with just the thickness of the roof?

[@JaznLori]

Hey mate I didn't add any extra would, just used all the screws to secure it, with a lot of sikaflex.

[@royalvarez7549]

Did the fan directions instruct you to face the fan's opening side forward? It seem turning them around would produce less wind resistance and likely less damage when driving at faster speeds.

[@JaznLori]

they instruct to install them the way i did. it is more aero dynamic the way they are mounted here.

[@jerrychapmon8798]

Jazz, well done. My daughter is buying a 2010 Sprinter and we will be starting this process soon but will have do it in phases. first phase is the dampening, insulation, a place to sleep and store her gear and counter space for future use as sink, shower, toiler. question for your is, where did you tap into for electricity for your fans. thanks v/r jerry

[@JaznLori]

That's awesome mate! For the fans I temporarily wired up to some 12v wiring that was already in the back, but they will be wired up to my secondary battery permanently once this is all done

[@brianroylegend]

I have heard from a few people say that the maxxfan allows light through it (translucent) which wakes you up in the morning. These people have said they paint it black if they have a white one. Black ones are ok. Whats your thoughts on this?

[@anenglishcomment5409]

Did you do a video on your window install?

[@jingji76]

대박!엄청 꼼꼼하고 청결하시네요.대단하다.

[@grenaple123456789]

Fixing old hole to cut it out lather for new fun hole?

[@eranrund]

Awesome work! Do you happen to remember the thickness of the putty tape you used? I'm about to embark on the same adventure and have to deal with the ribs. The only tape I found on Amazon is 1/8" thick which doesn't seem to be sufficient. Thanks!

[@JaznLori]

Hey Eran I would guess it is around 12mm - 14mm thick roughly, but it can be squashed down. All the best with it!

[@eranrund]

Thanks!

[@mittensthehousecat4114]

About to give this a go..... 😅

[@mittensthehousecat4114]

So I stuffed it up and just bought a new van and gonna start again

[@AlexRidgewayFarrier]

Great video Jaz, thank you! Just wondering what the soundtrack is around the 5.20sec mark. It's awesome 👌

[@HOBrFINCl7]

Question: if you are wanting to go completely stealth, can you build it so the lid height only reaches flush with the van if fully open (recessed in when closed)? Also, can you hear the fans when you are standing outside but beside the van? I realize you might need a way to drain it if water collected (sealed hose from one corner?) but it wouldn’t be stealth otherwise... do you a work around seeing a fan open on the roof.

[@MikeEss1000]

Great job thanks. Going to install mine in a few weeks. This really helps.

[@JaznLori]

excellent thanks mate

[@PhamVans]

Nice video my guy, thanks for the upload.

[@neilyoung1673]

Epic stuff can't wait to start my project

[@JaznLori]

Thanks! Excited to see it mate, what van are you kitting out?

[@neilyoung1673]

Travel With Jaz .. Hey dude for me at present I've got my sights on the sprinter maybe a 16 to 17 year model . Once my funds allow it

[@JaznLori]

excellent man, keep striving for it and you'll get it! Step by step mate ;)

[@mikemanuka]

Hi Jaz, if I'm installing a fan on a area of the roof that is completely flat with no ribs in the way, would you still use a putty tape? To give it something between the vent and metal roof? Thanks, your vids are perfect, straight forward and detailed.

[@JaznLori]

i probably wouldnt use putty tape in that situation as long as your sealant definetly seals the shoud 100%

[@sergerazafihelison9002]

Bonjour,c'est quoi le ruban noir sur tu mets sur le cadre?merci.serge✌️

[@mazyondown7680]

Quick question. Were u able to control both fans from one remote control or did each fan need a controller of its own? Thanks.

[@JaznLori]

You can control each fan from one remote control

[@mazyondown7680]

Sweet. Thanks for replying 👍

[@jenneticAI1]

Simple and informative 👍🏼

[@JaznLori]

Glad you liked it

[@sweetcarefulheart]

Thanks mate

[@JaznLori]

No problem :)

[@christinejordan4039]

I’m inspired. Aim to get a sprinter van and follow your lead. Absolutely no experience and 74yr old woman. Any recommendations

[@JaznLori]

Thanks just do the best you can with what you have, that's my advice, and don't give uP!

[@ImHewg]

Hey Jaz, It looks like you screwed the screws in and then sikaflexed the top of them. How did you manage to rescrew them into the celing's wood panels when you finally were able to put the panels in? Did you have to tear them out the holes and resikaflex the heads?

[@JaznLori]

They aren't screwed into the internal wood panels. They are simply just screwed into the van roof metal, and sikaflexed down. they'll never move especially since they are sikaflexed. What I meant by "finishing the last bit and screwing into the ceiling panels" is the cover shroud which you can see I believe in episode 10. this shroud just has 4 screws that screw to the celing timber and neatens it all up

[@chatteyj]

@@JaznLori Most people screw the fan into a wooden battens which surround the fan underneath rather than just screwing into the skin of the van. I'm surprised no one has picked up on this. Has this way of doing it worked out all ok for you? I'm doing my roof fan tomorrow its a fantastic vent going onto a ford transit, I guess if I could do without wood batten surrounding the fan I will as I don;t have the right thickness of batten.

[@MrFergusferret]

Very tidy worker great videos

[@JaznLori]

Thanks a lot mate :)

[@chrisweinlich8154]

Hi Jaz, you're videos are great, thank you so much! Really helpful as we start to embark on our first van build journey. Is the reason you've put two fans in for ventilation requirements, or to get the air flow through the van? I'm in Australia as well, so trying to work out if one or two roof fans are required or simply one roof and one lower vent. Cheers mate!

[@JaznLori]

Hi Chris, I put 2 in so I could get better airflow through the van when the van is closed up, (one sucking in air and one extracting it). They also act as diffused sun lights during the day which is nice too. I am not sure on gas venting regulations but I know the gas fitter put sticker labels on both my Maxx air fans saying these shall not be blocked

[@chrisweinlich8154]

Jaz Morton cheers mate. This is really helpful! Didn’t even think of the extra light, but it makes sense. Once I’ve got the plans drawn up, I’ll get it all confirmed by a gas fitter and go from there. Now to find the van to start!

[@SalsaChips11]

Hey Jaz Morton, what putty tape did you use? Was it butyl tape or something slightly different?

[@JaznLori]

bought of ebay from a random

[@adventurewhitasiam]

Tell me how your electrical system is not installed yet, you took what electric power for the installation? Have you made use of the electrical lighting system?

[@JaznLori]

I used existing 12V from the starter battery in this video, later on changing it to the house battery

[@adventurewhitasiam]

Thanks ;)

[@alespokora4236]

Love all your vids mate! So helpful!!! I was wondering where you got the putty tape from? I can’t find it in Bunnings at all. Thanks a lot

[@JaznLori]

i know man its hard i found it from a random private seller on ebay its hard to find sorry i cant link it somewhere man good luck

[@alespokora4236]

@@JaznLori Thanks mate, I ended up finding 12mm rubber stripes & added double sided butyl tape on both ends and it did the trick pretty well. I have to say your videos have been a MASSIVE help in our build so far. Thanks a lot!

[@Wakeup_grand]

helps a lot thank you

[@Prefer2Hibrn8]

that is one awesome fan! Love your channel mate, keep it up ;)

[@JaznLori]

Thanks heaps !

[@mikeelatham]

nice one mate

[@JaznLori]

Cheers mikee!

[@avcisoner]

you realy great job man

[@JaznLori]

thanks mate

[@veckamaraman2619]

How would u wire everything if you started bare bone no wires at all

[@JaznLori]

exactly the way i've videod it

[@Blastfence1]

Excellent!

[@JaznLori]

🤙🤙

[@Frenchiesonyoutube01]

What size wires did you use?

[@winnyjstew]

bro, how did you power them? i’m confused in the electrical part

[@JaznLori]

In this video I use an existing old feed for an old light that ran from the van starter battery to power the fans temporarily just for the purposes of demonstration in the video, but I eventually removed this feed and ran permanent feeds from the van house battery in later episodes

[@winnyjstew]

Jaz Morton would you not recommend using the car battery as a permanent source of power for the light?

[@jacobwyskochil6109]

What power source did you connect your fans to and how? We just tried to connect the pos/neg wires to a 125v non-polarized plug. When we plugged it into our 120v Goal Zero Yeti, it rejected the connection. Next, we plugged the fan plug into an extension cord to the house, and shorted out the fan causing sparks and smoke to come out the fan computer. Any reason why these happened?

[@JaznLori]

Ahh mate it's a 12V DC Fan, not a 125V AC fan. The fan also is polarised, so pos and neg will need to be correct polarity. Mine is connected to my van house battery (the battery that runs all the loads in the back of van), not the starter battery. From memory, I think the Maxx fans might come with a fuse built in, hopefully you've blown a fuse and haven't fried the fan..

[@peperoman6046]

Buen trabajo y muy buena instalacion. Gracias por compartirlo. Un saludo

[@JaznLori]

Muchos gracias pepe!!

[@MrBeauie]

8:34 "Sorry bro... Few iron filings for ya"

[@JaznLori]

A couple left behind?

[@coltonmclaughlin7565]

Hey where did you get that kind of putty tape??

[@JaznLori]

I got it from eBay of a guy who was selling his last stock, kind of hard to find

[@jakel.4688]

Just wondering where you got your putty tape?

[@jakel.4688]

Also, good job! I'll follow your steps when installing mine.

[@jakel.4688]

???

[@EL_Tiito]

a question friend, how tall are you? to get an idea of ​​the interior height of the van .., Thanks

[@JaznLori]

I am 6 foot

[@grkantrker]

why the fans opens to same direction 8:45

[@westfield1962]

Hi Jaz what are the rear dimensions of the van H,W,L thanks

[@JaznLori]

Hi Gary, I will refer to my drawing when I finish work but off the top of my head the back floor measurements are: 4200mm long 1770mm wide and 1920mm high

[@itsRDtime]

Nice

[@dil]

Keep up the great work! Just sub'd

[@JaznLori]

Thanks Dylan appreciate the support mate!

[@basimmaan4549]

Thank.. What is the price for

[@JaznLori]

No worries I forget off the top of my head but price breakdown is in link below in description

[@spencesmith48]

Great video series. Thanks for sharing. Where did you find that thick butyl?

[@JaznLori]

Thanks mate I honestly found it on Ebay in Australia, someones very old stock, it was very hard to find in australia maybe easier in america though

[@kmmk292929]

how many watts does your fan use?

[@JaznLori]

One maxxfans uses anywhere from 0.15Amps on the lowest speed up to 3.2Amps on the highest speed . So this equates to 1.8watts to roughly 40watts at 12V DC

[@kmmk292929]

@@JaznLori Thanks!

[@j.cannonball2087]

Dear campers! Wich Maxx Fan model is it? Is this the Deluxr model? Where are the differences between the Deluxe and an other Maxx Fan? Also interesting for me - what did you paid and where are you from?

[@JaznLori]

this is the deluxe model, it just means it has a rain dome and lifts up electrically. I paid about AUD$440

[@Brassknucklez]

hey bro. what are the dimensions of your van? i guess the height is around 190cm but lenght and width? Sorry if youre covered this already somewhere else but you know, im lazy and cant be arsed to look them up myself :D

[@JaznLori]

I've only got internal dimensions of that back section, which are 4200mm x 1770mm.as for the height It would be about 1900mm yes

[@JohnAvantiBK]

T%hat is a fresh air fan not a stove top exhaust fan. The fan is going to get grimy defending on how much you cook. You would have been better off installing a fan with a kitchen filter...

[@emresolmaz7940]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@jamalouakhmiss3064]

😍😍💪💪💪💪💪👌👌👍

[@JaznLori]

Thanks mate!

[@Ruiso7]

Will bugs get in through the fan?

[@JaznLori]

Haven't had any yet. Also there is a very find bug mesh on the inside of the screen

[@Frantic618]

This look likes a nice, well-done series, but..... I don't understand why most of the videos on YT have music. Esp really crappo music. And bits of different music patched in. Do you think people can't watch a video without it? At least, some of them arrange things so the victims can hit the mute, but the way these are done, you can't.

[@JaznLori]

Thanks A lot for your feedback, it will help me to make better videos :)

[@wakarocker]

Esmeril sin zapatos... otra vez

[@JaznLori]

jaja soy un australiano, solo tenemos sandalias! bromas

[@wakarocker]

Lol.. Cuida tus pies!! No vuelven a crecer...

[@JaznLori]

gracias lo hare :)

[@lancebaker1374]

Since you don't have the technical skill to control the volume of the music, you should just toss the music. It's annoying.