Jazzy - Perfect N1 Score & 10k Anki Cards in ~8.5 months!? - Deep Weeb Podcast #15

[@DanneoYT]

*Intro* 1:14 THE Jazzy Intro 2:57 'Jazzy' username origin 3:34 Life outside of Japanese (Physics, Boxing, Reading) 4:55 Reddit post controversy, why mixed reaction? 6:34 Reddit post summary 9:45 Main achievements *Questions* 12:11 How much Japanese content did you consume before starting JP and were you the type of person that could binge reading/watching series? 14:24 What's your current status with Japanese and are you satisfied with with your reading/listening/output? 17:05 Why did you decide to take the JLPT N1? 20:10 What would you attribute your success to? 22:00 Thoughts on 'Tolerating the ambiguity' 25:00 Besides white noising, what other bad habits are people doing and what would you change if you could restart? 27:30 How much context do you put on your Anki cards? *Output* 29:45 Plans for output 32:55 Specific goals for output 33:50 Pitch accent 35:05 Jazzy OUTPUTS! 37:42 Has transitioning from input to output been difficult? (Ft. Doth's Obasans) *Reading* 39:20 Steps to reading in Japanese 40:29 Learning Kanji (Jazzy, Doth, Kanjieater) 44:54 Shoui Method - 45:57 How to tackle incomprehensible sentence (+How to read) 51:56 Comprehensibility x Speed (Reading study) 1:00:10 JLPT N1 strategy 1:02:12 Reading easier text 1:05:51 Jazzy Summer pockets experience 1:09:50 Is native level reading speed possible? 60k char/hr obtainable? (ft. Afu) 1:14:15 Do you skip voice line in VN? *Reddit Post* 1:15:40 Jazzy response to reddit post controversy 1:27:20 2000 hours to pass N1 1:31:33 How does working full time affect the hours required to pass N1 *Question* 1:33:15 Criteria when picking up new VN (Char, Kanji, Difficulty?) 1:36:10 Grammar 1:38:53 Parsing sentence, distinguishing grammar and vocab *Visual Novels* 1:39:45 What role does VN play in your JP journey? 1:40:46 VN vs LN 1:42:30 Since you spent so much time reading, how did you reinforce listening comprehension? 1:44:10 Did you ever use English translation to boost comprehension? 1:45:16 Translating to English 1:47:25 Monolingual transition *Listening* 1:49:54 Did you do passive listening? 1:53:15 Is music immersion? 1:54:35 Jazzy Dies 1 *Doth* 1:55:18 Catching up with Doth 1:56:11 Preparation for Kanken and goals *Anki* 1:59:13 Has Anki helped or hindered you? 2:03:00 How do you deal with leeches? 2:03:51 Do you still mine? Do you still review? What's your stance on having a backlog? 2:08:14 Duplicates 2:09:00 How did you handle 50 cards a day? *Questions* 2:11:11 How long have you been boxing and any plans going pro? 2:13:13 Can you beat Aussieman in a fight? 2:13:51 Health habits 2:15:42 What would you change about yourself? *Content* 2:19:43 Favourite Manga 2:23:43 Favourite VN 2:24:50 Jazzy Dies 2 2:30:40 Misc Japanese content reccomendation *Outro* 2:33:44 What's one piece of advice you'd give to everyone else learning Japanese? 2:35:34 Jazzy Contacts

[@eduardoidiomas5216]

God bless you

[@Aki-wq6xh]

You deserve a lot more than just 21 likes

[@Evka5]

he looks like the chad meme

[@SeraphimHani]

My first thought too

[@CowboyBGM]

It's the facial hair / jaw line

[@djahandarie]

Doth looking like a proud father in this ep 😊

[@jesssc402]

I noticed that Jazzy has a habit of repeating the questions in a way that removes the fluff and ambiguity so that he could answer it properly. I think that it’s a valuable skill when taking tests that challenge your comprehension such as JLPT.

[@notcyfhr]

True it probably comes from him being a physics student because I’ve taken higher level math and physics and most of it is recognizing what the question is asking. Like visualizing what the situation is and such and how to solve it.

[@mohanad0408]

Haven't finished the episode yet, but guys ... thank you so so much for the time stamps.

[@KanjiEater]

Danneo is a bit of a legend

[@dosgos]

I enjoyed the motivating reddit post. And the "comments".

[@pathologicpicnic]

Why does Doth always look so sassy? He’s such a cheeky boy

[@KanjiEater]

That beautiful cheeky face is the exact reason the obaa sans gifted him with fluency. I thought Doth was pretty funny on this episode personally.

[@Shockocksthegreat]

I've been really interested in the reading speed bit. I read about 800 wpm in english with full comprehension, but it doesn't really come from "speed reading" as a skill. It's more based on a comprehension and a lot of Tom Clancy books as a kid. So when we're talking about how higher comprehension and reading speed are related, I definitely think that it's a comprehension first, reading speed second thing. I feel like I have to say that because I've seen some ads about how "increasing your reading speed will also increase comprehension" and that just leads people to move their eyes really fast without absorbing anything. Reading fast isn't "moving your eyes faster" like Tim Ferris would like you to think. It's looking at a sentence and understanding the whole thing without having to individually read the words. It's pattern recognition, and that comes from in reading your native language or any other language. That and speed is definitely very fickle. The 800wpm is more like when I'm reading fiction, but if I'm reading some academic theory or something, that decreases wildly. That and it can be affected by other things like, being tired, reading on a computer screen vs paper, the font and font size, and basically anything that makes life slightly harder. And getting to the processing power part, I've been interested in that as well. I know I have quite a bit of it, from typing 100wpm to reading 800wpm to playing drums, piano, guitar, and blah blah. I think this is something that people just don't know much about. I would love to say I know whether reading music and playing instruments increased my processing power, or if I could do it because of natural processing power, but I don't know and I probably won't. Learning Japanese is fun. Been at reading for about 3 months after banging my head against Duolingo and RTK for 4 months before that. Hopefully given another few I'll be able to have a good "I learned japanese quick" story because I honestly feel on track for it. Having gone through that, I think the TLDR is. Speed reading doesn't matter. Processing power is real, but pretty unknown. Japanese fun.

[@KanjiEater]

Wow that's impressive. Word of advice though, don't share this on reddit or they'll beat you up too. Deep Weeb Exclusive: Tom Clancy novels the key to children's reading comprehension? At any rate, please do share more with us as you continue your Japanese journey & thanks for sharing ❤

[@Shockocksthegreat]

​@@KanjiEater Tom Clancy is key to reading comprehension. Put them in the elementary school libraries. As for learning japanese, my only goal is to be ready for when the Tsukihime Remake Far Side Routes come out, so reddit doesn't have anything to worry about.

[@KanjiEater]

@@Shockocksthegreat Good choice. I'm playing through Tsukihime a piece of blue glass moon now

[@PatChatGC]

As someone who also did all of RTK1 AND 3 the traditional way, writing out by hand every kanji… I agree with all the RTK takes in this. Fuck that, wasnt worth it haha

[@Eric-le3uu]

Good to know, I couldn't stand that book.

[@notcyfhr]

I’m happy I stopped doing it when I began because I felt like it had some use but it wasn’t gonna make or break my Japanese is what I realized and just started immersing instead

[@crunchymushy]

​@@notcyfhrcute car

[@KanjiEater]

Deep Weeb Lounge Discord Server where we prioritized questions from: discord.com/invite/agbwB4p Interestingly enough this video got removed from r/LearnJapanese for being too controversial. It seems people's heads are now being buried in the sand for them. Please do give this a share, or the reddit mods win. Big shout out again to Danneo on this one too for the timestamps! Seriously appreciate that so much. Fun behind the scenes fact. Doth requested I count down this time before going live... Then decided to steal the intro from me XD. He has been permanently banned from the podcast. Just kidding - fun episode, enjoy.

[@mrkrabs1180]

Dunno if it would work but maybe you could use a midi pedal for the next interview? Just to mark where each question starts (and maybe adjust the timings a bit after)

[@Gitaikou]

based and Jazzy pilled

[@mrkrabs1180]

I want an interview with the losers from reddit 😭😭

[@Polluxx]

I'm surprised no one has pointed out that he was probably just reading during his 'output' at 36:18. You can see that, except for a few brief moments, his eyes remain fixated on the same area of the screen.

[@KanjiEater]

I actually did think that during the interview as well. Funny enough, after the first output sesh with doth & hmslc, behind the scenes after, doth asked me if I read my output. I legit did not, though I did think through what I was going to say ahead of time, thus there's a ton of mistakes as pointed out by Saito-san's nitpick video of us. (I do the same thing for certain english parts I want to get right) I assume Jazzy did not "freeball" what he was going to say and thought it through before hand, but because of my own experience, I can't say for sure he "just read it" or whether he just thought it through ahead of time & had some speaking points on screen (or didn't). I much prefer what we did in the Darius interview, where it's actually a fluid conversation between all of us, rather than a quick "Have him say something in Japanese please!", so going forward, I think you can expect more of that.

[@Polluxx]

​@@KanjiEaterThe difference is that Doth asked you after the production, without the benefit of reviewing the clip of your output or comparing it to other parts of the interview. In contrast, we have a clear comparison here between Jazzy's "output" and other sections of the interview. A major giveaway is the saccadic eye movement at 37:13, when he started reading from the next line.

[@KanjiEater]

@@Polluxx Fair points. I have not spent the time to compare my first video outputting to use as my reference & I have not spent the time to compare his eye movements with other segments or other Japanese-as-a-second-language-ers.

[@日本語-p3e]

The immersion fraud strikes again, I doubt the N1 certificate is even legitimate

[@ClowdyHowdy]

This had the feel of a quintessential episode to watch on the subject of learning a language with a high level of focus. Great episode, good stuff. Ive been thinking about l reading speed and wondered if there's not a sweet spot with comprehension. The longer you take to read a sentence, the more time you have on each part. However, while reading more quickly, you need to maintain lucidity with everything in short term working memory for a lower amount of time before moving on to something fresh. I have some pretty heavy ADHD symptoms in regards to short term working memory. I think language learning has helped practice in this regard, but there was a point in time where I started reading faster and I found it easier to "keep track" of everything in my head. Not only is it easier to keep track of the single sentence, but also the context of the story you're reading. Comprehensibility is a factor, but sometimes I wonder if practicing to read more quickly is a fundamental skill in the ability to parse full sentences and follow plot points to be able to infer things from context more easily. Then again, maybe it's a balance that is best. Spend some time chewing on certain things, but also make sure to keep a good pace when you are comprehending it. Thanks for the podcast from all three of you.

[@DengueBurger]

You forgot to ask if he immersed in his sleep

[@angcientrock]

This kind of affirms my doubts about RTK. My recognition RTK study (Matt disciple here) has never aided me in learning vocab that I'm aware of. I don't even think about whatever kanji make up a word when I learn it. I just add the word to Anki, and through immersion and reps, naturally come to recognize the kanji across different uses and glean some general meaning if there is one. If RTK does have benefits to recognition, I feel like they're negligible. I could see some familiarity with radicals and stroke order being helpful though, at the very least for dictionary lookups. Maybe for learning how to write too, I couldn't say though ;) Also, amazing results from this guy Jazzy! inspiring. Thanks KanjiEater podcast

[@lastofusclips5291]

i have the same doubts. words get their meaning in sentences and learning individual kanji doesn't necessarily let you understand how they are used together. 大切 is a good example.

[@DengueBurger]

@@lastofusclips5291 dang this is true. I’m gunna stop recommending RRTK.

[@angcientrock]

@@lastofusclips5291 yeah, that's a good point

[@Thomas48484]

This is a bit of a dead thread but I've been learning japanese for just 60 days now and wanted to leave my two cents. Knowing the kanji can help with learning vocabulary as you can guess the meaning of the word, which makes it easier to read and remember a lot of the common vocabulary. With that being said, the time one needs to spent learning all that kanji could just better be spent learning vocab itself. When I first started learning vocab it was tough, but it is gradually getting easier. Eventually you start to associate a sound and/or a vague meaning to a kanji, through learning the words themselves you naturally pick up on patterns. 本格的 is a good example from my deck as I had learned 本, 性格 and 目的 beforehand. When you eventually pick up on how a kanji is read, learning japanese vocabulary is no different from learning any other singular alphabetic language. I don't know why people put so much emphasis on kanji.

[@日本語-p3e]

How do you not confuse similar kanji?

[@ScottHWMoo]

Paitiently waiting for the next episode.

[@KanjiEater]

Just two weeks more! 4/30 w/ Aussieman, updates on the discord as they come

[@ScottHWMoo]

@@KanjiEater Excited to see Harry. Waiting for the release!

[@jinjurbreadman]

at 51:05 jazzy tells me to look up the grammar. what was jazzy's method of looking up grammar? was there a particular site he used?

[@KanjiEater]

He was probably talking about monolingual dictionaries on The Moe Way site's resources with Yomichan. I'll also throw out the best resource in my opinion is www.edewakaru.com/, which also has a yomichan dictionary now (though notably without the images last I checked)

[@Fuerzafrutal]

Loved this episode! Doth and Jazzy are such an inspiration in this 日本語の journey. Where can I read for free ようこそ実力至上主義の教室へ??🤔

[@DiruMede]

Great stuff.

[@DengueBurger]

The point about speed and comprehension/focus lines up with my experience listening to podcasts on faster speeds vs regular speed. 56:00

[@jinjurbreadman]

at 1:07:00 jazzy mentions a type of quiz. what is the name of the quiz that he mentions?

[@KanjiEater]

kotoba quiz, they're the vocab quizzes found on various japanese learning discord servers like The Moe Way, DJT, and others that people use to get "roles" to reflect a milestone in their language & memorization abilities.

[@ハナビ-o1j]

Can someone link the Reddit post if it’s still up? I wanna check it out

[@KanjiEater]

Sure, it's here: www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/sedr0m/how_i_got_180180_on_n1_in_85_months/

[@humanbean3]

2:17:25 haha so glad Doth said what I was thinking there lol

[@aa898246]

cool af

[@gaburierupeppas933]

Please let Doth know that some people on the subreddit do know and care about Kanken; they’re aware of it and want to take it some day. You should share any knowledge you have, I wouldn’t restrict what I post based on a few average redditors lol 😂

[@Frolossus]

what is the word for the methods of reading LN over VN? showy? shuri?

[@KanjiEater]

Shoui, a user from the moe way discord

[@Frolossus]

Thank you @@KanjiEater

[@fisicogamer1902]

Has someone know a way to count sentences/characters read with an automatic counter or reader? I want to get into LNs, but I don't like fiction. The only way I can get into it is by counting the characters/sentences automatically and recording the progress. I do this easily with VNs, but with LNs I find this quite exhausting. Tech-savvy people, any tips?

[@DengueBurger]

I would just count the hours spent. Not as accurate, but a useful number nonetheless.

[@fisicogamer1902]

@@DengueBurger Do you have a way to make a script for that？I am up for it, but having to sum up hours or minutes on a calculator or manually is just tiresome. It would be easier for me to create daily goals with such a setup. without these, I can't read much fiction.

[@boshlevison9341]

​@@fisicogamer1902 I use the app Toggl track. Basically you just start the timer when you start immersing/reading and stop it when your done. I have a bunch of different categories setup for different activities. You do have to build a habit to actually start and stop the timers but it's actually that bad once you get into it. Then I can look at the data by year/month/week whatever and even filter on different activities super easily.

[@DengueBurger]

Why do you guys all wear headphones 🎧 instead of earphones

[@KanjiEater]

The answer may surprise you. Because I have headphones and not earphones.

[@DengueBurger]

@@KanjiEater true lol. I was wondering if there was some improved functionality, ie for listening. Since earphones are usually cheaper and sometimes come with phones/devices, I always assume everyone has earphones and headphones are more of an upgrade-only item.

[@vengadorsky]

whats the Shoui method and where do i read about it? cant find it on google

[@KanjiEater]

It's Shoui's learning method for Japanese. It's in The Moe Way, pinned to general.

[@vengadorsky]

@@KanjiEater thanks

[@03e-210a]

2:20:59 Doth must be immersing in the Japanese heavens if he is to go like "nandake" without thinking/automatically

[@_capu]

for N1 jazzy 1500h perfect score Wikipedia 3000h~4500h 😭 jazzy too strong

[@moyga]

2:18:32 - Me, fml.

[@cc_ppur1334]

What is RTK?

[@artvandalay13]

Remember the Kanji. James Heisig

[@ESLCSDivyasagar]

Its a technique of a book called remembering the kanji

[@elitealice]

Passing N1 and not being able to speak Japanese is crazy to me

[@toushinrance]

Why? N1 is not anywhere near fluency. Also reading is more important and easier considering the grammar/words are on the page rather than having to output with correct grammar.

[@elitealice]

@@toushinrance >to me And yes N1 is fluency.

[@toushinrance]

@@elitealice are you dumb? N1 only has 10k or so words and you need much more than that to be fluent lol. You need to go back and study more if you think that's gonna get you anywhere. Take it from someone who's fluent in reading etc now

[@toushinrance]

@@elitealice also kansai Ben etc and the rest of the 30000 plus words you need to learn...there's so much more till fluency. You need to renew your approach to japanese if you think n1 is end of it all you loser

[@remonimodexd7116]

@@elitealicelike the other guy said , n1 is NOT fluency. Thousands upon thousands more words are needed + dialects + n0 grammar which isn’t in n1. Not to mention tons of other stuff

[@xenioralad3159]

lol where is the summary?

[@DengueBurger]

Just skim the Reddit post or something. They talk about a lot, no point in giving a summary

[@zayne6180]

🅿🆁🅾🅼🅾🆂🅼 🎉

[@ArtemZaits-zl5ue]

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