Jeep Compass vs Renegade Off-Road Mashup Review and Drag Race

[@TFLcar]

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[@TheValleyofAwesome]

The Fast Lane Car 12:03 This is a random question, but are you sure this is a feature that cuts off all 4 tires from spinning? Or is it simply just a lack of torque? I also live in CO and actually live really close to this actual trail myself. I've always been taught that when all 4 wheels freeze up like that, it's because of a lack of torque to the wheels (in other words, not enough low gearing in 4 low or just an engine that cannot produce enough torque). It happens to me too and also a lot of off road vehicles, and when elevation takes away engine torque due to reduced engine aspiration, it just makes the situation worse :/ Regardless nice video! :) Love you guys bunches! I'm just wondering if this is the case

[@TFLcar]

Great Question and we decided to test this as well. We drove the Renegade up a very steep hill (much steeper than GMH) but with traction. No problem, no cutting of torque. We also asked the Jeep engineers about this and they said the AWD system cuts power to the wheels to protect the drivetrain.

[@TheValleyofAwesome]

The Fast Lane Car Gotcha :) I didnt know, thanks a bunch and cheers!

[@thewhiteEagle]

The Fast Lane Car can you compare in the next video between Alfa Romeo Stelvio VS Audi Q5 vs BMW X3 vs Mercedes Benz GLC ???and Thanks

[@qwkr]

Did you try to turn off traction control? The button by the electronic e brake?

[@CenturyVox]

What all of the people here don't understand, is that these are city suvs. They are not supposed to be a wrangler. But they are better than most of the city suvs offroad. And thats the end of it.

[@Nothingtoya]

HYPERFORMANCE like if you accidentally pull off your driveway and get a tire in the grass, that kind of off road?

[@Simple_Youtube]

Actually these 2 cars are the worst out of all for both city and off road. A Toyota Yaris is more capable then these 2.

[@OggyGTA]

Wow, you guys are full of shit.

[@Bouchon211]

@@Simple_KZbin Lol what?

[@Nothingtoya]

@lol. My comment from 3 years ago was ment as a joke. There might be a little bit of (I want to look like something I'm not) but I think most people buy things because they like the room inside, being able to sit up higher, and you feel a little safer inside a large vehicle.

[@DogHouse6467]

My renegade is almost identical to the one they tested. I tell you what, when i went out to buy a new car, i wanted to get a car. I was looking for something that was good on gas, good in snow, and dependable. I want thinking truck or SUV, I was thinking Awd little car. I left with a renegade because it had more than I wanted but was also cheaper than a Subaru that I was also looking at. This "little guy" passes most traffic in Canadian snow storms, and can go from 75 down the interstate to a muddy path in a snap without pissing away your gas. I does everything I NEED it to do.

[@mrlooneycooney8948]

Exactly ! Haters gonna hate, simple as that...This Renegade does everything their owners want from a car. People always will have their own opinion, but Jeep-buyers keep those opinions true to their heart ;-)

[@Floreypottery]

Good luck with the 2.4 crappy headgaskets

[@kaulincurtis9665]

A friend of mine recently bought a renegade for the same reasoning. The renegades are practical and good on gas in the stock configuration.

[@shahirani4762]

Dave Talbot renegades are not reliable. They use fiat engines. Otherwise they are pretty good.

[@JEKYLL2020]

That’s exactly it! You need to like it, no one else. I personally don’t like the look of the Renegade but if you’re happy with it that’s all that matters.

[@Gazrial1]

Im pretty happy with my little Renegade. It handled really well in the snow last winter when my friends were getting stuck it drove through it like it was nothing.

[@Agent.K.]

Compass looks like a mini grand Cherokee

[@mohammedq5438]

That's why I really like it despite its off roading capabilities.

[@mikelyons9971]

It's nicknamed the wk3

[@zacharysoutdoorchannel337]

No a mini Cherokee

[@BigTex65]

Zachary's OutDoor Channel wrong

[@jdmjimmy]

True and the renegade a baby wrangler

[@altrock86]

I want to see a top of the line most expensive renegade vs the cheapest base wrangler.

[@NotSure876]

On a real trail? Hahahahahahahaha

[@MythicalDust]

The wrangler would lose When there is no differential lock, the 4wd system would likely get stuck in mud or in the air on a “rear trail? Whereas the more adaptive awd systems of the Renegade and Compass can send the torque to the necessary wheel. They all have low range, they all have good enough grand clearance and pretty good angles. The wrangler would definitely lose. Just because it says wrangler doesn’t mean it’s amazing off road.

[@NotSure876]

Zack Hall My stock 2000 TJ with 31”s and disconnected sway bar went places the renegade or compass couldn’t even make it to the trail head. Lockers are overrated. All you gotta do is apply the ebrake slightly to get the same result. Clearance, angles and articulation on the wrangler are far ahead of either of these.

[@quetzal1]

Compass is more a small SUV than a Jeep and any version wouldn't come close to a Wrangler.

[@gearhead9115]

@@MythicalDust I don't know where the h*** you got your information buddy but the Wrangler would rip on these compass and renegade jeeps Any day of the week cause even your basic Jeep Wrangler has a rear locker all those fancy a** for will drive systems on the renegade in the compass doesn't mean Jack I personally could have done the 1st 5 minutes of the Video without 4 wheel drive those pathetic things had to have 4x4 to get through a small a****** hole and use speed in the one spot

[@Jamessssy]

Great chemistry from the presenters, this had the vibe of old school Top Gear with Hammond, May and Clarkson having a bit of fun.

[@stephendevito7939]

Will you guys ever turn traction control off? It's really a shame you are not using these 4x4s as they were designed to be off road. For instance from the Compass user manual pages 137-138: Partial Off (Four-Wheel Drive Models) Or On (TwoWheel Drive Models) This mode is entered by momentarily pushing the “ESC Off” switch. When in “Partial Off” mode, the TCS portion of ESC, except for the “limited slip” feature described in the TCS section, has been disabled, and the ESC OFF Indicator Lightwill be illuminated. All other stability features of ESC function normally. This mode is intended to be used if the vehicle is in deep snow, sand or gravel conditions, and more wheel spin than ESC would normally allow is required to gain traction. To turn ESC on again, momentarily push the “ESC Off” switch. This will restore the normal “ESC On” mode of operation. NOTE: To improve the vehicle’s traction when driving with snow chains, or starting off in deep snow, sand or gravel, it may be desirable to switch to the “Partial Off” mode by pushing the “ESC Off” switch. Once the situation requiring ESC to be switched to the “Partial Off” mode is overcome, turn ESC back on by momentarily pushing the “ESC Off” switch. This may be done while the vehicle is in motion. Full Off (Four-Wheel Drive Models Only) This mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use when ESC stability features could inhibit vehicle maneuverability due to trail conditions. This mode is entered by pushing and holding the “ESC Off” switch for five seconds when the vehicle is stopped and the engine is running. After five seconds, the ESC OFF Indicator Lightwill illuminate and the “ESC OFF” message will appear in the odometer. Push and release the Trip Odometer button located on the instrument cluster to clear this message. In this mode, ESC and TCS, except for the “limited slip” feature described in the TCS section, are turned off until the vehicle reaches a speed of 35 mph (56 km/h). At 35 mph (56 km/h), the system returns to “Partial Off” mode, as described above. TCS remains off. When the vehicle speed drops below 30 mph (48 km/h), the ESC system shuts off. ESC is deactivated at low vehicle speeds so that it will not interfere with off-road driving however, ESC function returns to provide the stability feature at speeds above 35 mph (56 km/h). The ESC OFF Indicator Lightwill always be illuminated when ESC is off. To turn ESC on again, momentarily push the “ESC Off” switch. This will restore the “ESC On” mode of operation.

[@georgelurye6274]

stop it with your logic! TFL guys don't work well with logic on.

[@Angel-vm7oj]

Your teally too butthurt that you typed all that 😂

[@chrisdroste3296]

^ this. TFL redo the rest properly in the correct mode as cited above please, this test as it stands currently makes "Trail-Rated" and "Trailhawk" badging look like pointless garnish on a salad. Someone cited the same thing on the Mazda CX-5 from Mazda's engineering blog and yet these vehicles stand with pitiful off-road reviews. I understand you want to represent a layman taking these vehicles to task but a quick leaf through available materials on these vehicles could have shown that there is actual added value to the packages and not lipstick on a pig.

[@icosmicvii3568]

The traction control was off 🤔. This is also from the manual. “Full Off” is the only operating mode for ESC in 4WD LOW range. The ESC system will be in this mode whenever the vehicle is started in 4WD LOW range or the power transfer unit is shifted into 4WD LOW range.

[@JOltmann0789]

I read all of that and i dont even own a jeep.

[@celesteramos8749]

I have a 2018 trailhawk compass and I’ve taken it off roading. I had no issues at all, I was able to keep up with my buddies who where driving a Tacoma, and Tundra. 😏👌

[@jayparker96]

Hey 4 years later.. do you still have the jeep?

[@rickzhu2812]

@@jayparker96mine just blew its transmission and took 4 month to fix it. Tacoma is a better choice.

[@jim6807]

Hey heres an idea. Hold down the traction control button for 5 seconds and disable it?

[@craigmoorer5927]

Chosen good suggestion. It’s like switching off VDC in a Subaru

[@AKJeeper]

How about this for an idea - Jeep: how about a real transfer case with an actual low range and not one with a pseudo low range, which just locks the transmission in 1st gear and makes the torque converter do all the work? You could hear these Jeeps struggling as the torque converters ran out of torque multiplication to do the job.

[@anthonyr1930]

It’s usually a one press button in the newer FCA vehicles

[@MrNuthed]

@@AKJeeper Why? Thats what Wranglers and Grand Cherokees are for.

[@georgelurye6274]

@@AKJeeper the torque converter is a PTU. This is a FWD vehicle, on a FWD platform, with added part-time rear traction. It simply cannot be done.

[@thinkingape7655]

I bought 2017 Renegade trailhawk a few months ago for $14,500 with 35,000 miles and I love it. I would never pay full price, but they are a great used car option when 4x4 is needed yet in predominantly city driving. BTW, I traded in my 2015 Chevy Silverado 2500 and have no regrets. $25 bucks for full tank vs $80 for full tank.

[@toddbrown2574]

We took our compass TH stock through a rocky 30% grade in low rock mode, no slippage and made it first time. We take it in UTV trails and have no issues. The 2.4 engine burns a lot of oil.

[@phantasmagoric3934]

The really shoulda put the 2.0T engine from the Cherokee and wrangler in em and all the problems Would have gone away and gotten better MPGs

[@norfolksouthernrailworks1543]

The Compass and Renegade both can fit and have the proper brackets for the 3.7L V6, but the whole point of these vehicles in the minds of FCA is to make SUV's that appeal to the economic mind, not the Jeeper mind. That doesn't stop Compass and Renegade users from having fun with them though. Those engines can produce a mean amount of torque considering 180 hp. That 9 speed gearbox is slower 0-60 given the lower range gearing, but, the gear shifting is definitely smooth and the amount of gears helps keep the engine in optimum RPM for Fuel efficiency

[@phantasmagoric3934]

@@norfolksouthernrailworks1543 I have a compass for a work car and highway cruising at 70 mph I get 20 mpg. My dads Mercedes Benz gls 450 gets 23 doing the exact same route and consistently out numbers it. A Honda CR-V my sister has literally gets 33 on that loop. The engine they put in it is hideous to the highest degree and is a complete dealbreaker from me ever purchasing one.

[@norfolksouthernrailworks1543]

@@phantasmagoric3934 The Renegade you have must be a Gen1. I have a 2021 Gen2 Renegade, and I do 70mph on the freeway in my area and it gets 29 mpg. Between 60-65 it does 33-35 mpg. So, yes, the engine has been refined, and is actually a decent engine.

[@phantasmagoric3934]

@@norfolksouthernrailworks1543 see above^ 2020 Jeep Compass trail hawk. Yeah I ain’t even on meaty tires it’s on shitty Econoline garbage tires.

[@nickprague1481]

I chose a Renegade Latitude because I didn't want the 9 speed transmission. Instead I got the 1.4 Turbo with the 6 speed stick. It has made me proud in heavy snow and gets great mileage. Is has 20 horsepower less than the 2.4L but 20 Ft lbs. more torque. The six speed really adds to the fun factor, and it was a lot cheaper than the Trail Hawk. In fact I was looking for an ATV, and by the time I optioned one out my Renegade was cheaper.

[@MJPGuitar]

Nick Prague I also have the turbo and 6 speed. It’s fantastic

[@Offshore1977]

I can’t get enough of these goldmine videos along with all your off road videos. My favorite channel on KZbin by far.

[@wizeguiz]

I have a 2016 Renegade and I do not go off-roading. It, however, handles these Western New York snow storms like a champ( with Nokian snow tires)! :)

[@Depreciating_Daily]

I’m sorry that you have to be seen in such an ugly, over priced vehicle

[@wizeguiz]

Actually, I think it's style is unique and I got a fantastic deal on it. :)

[@76carmel]

wizeguiz - You made a good investment by having snow tires. Especially with lake effect snows.

[@76carmel]

Try doing this with your normal AWD crossover. Only 3 brands could pull this off - Jeep, Subaru, and Land Rover (Range Rover).

[@fartman10284]

Billy Sou the VW Atlas completed Stage 3

[@waderznutz8605]

For Michigan commuting the jeep renegade has been fun. Love the snow mode.

[@directorjustin]

Thanks for making this video. An off road comparison between the Renegade and the Compass is exactly what I wanted to see! I'd like to see a comparison between the old 2008-2012 Liberty vs current Cherokee Trailhawk.

[@brettradecki]

I really like that for this test you guys slowed down to actually test the 4x4 system before using momentum to get up. Awesome job!

[@littlebottleofink]

New sub. I am saving up for a renegade. Planning on buying one at the end of the year. My mom has a 2017 one, and it is so nice.

[@jhart05]

Do your homework and save your money kid. Pay a little more and get something reliable and sensable, that's going to last. Like a Toyota or Honda. The Renegade is a piece of junk.

[@tokoolforschool93]

Just buy a wrangler lol

[@NotSure876]

jhart05 go with a 3rd gen 4x4 4Runner, you’ll go anywhere a wrangler goes with more comfort and reliability

[@IsaacWatson]

@@jhart05 I've got a Renegade, and I've put 40,000 miles on it in the past year. I drive 3 hours a day. Zero issues.

[@Stargate971]

The Renegade is basically a Fiat 500 with awd and a different body. My friend is a Chrysler master technician and he's told me not to touch the renegade with a 10ft stick. they're very unreliable.

[@Friday_V7]

I really liked this video. The charisma between all of you is great, and the filming and layout is also wonderful. Great video! :)

[@ZAINABBAS]

Comparing two Jeeps Automatically gets a Thumbs UP !

[@fairjudgement4409]

ZAIN ABBAS yes comparing 2 unreliable shit boxes, is always a fair matchup

[@elitistsnob1793]

Fair Judgement: OK, you officially win this thread. Top shelf humor, sir. :-)

[@evilroboto]

Lol unless you've owned one I think you don't have a say. I have 2016 patriot. Love it.

[@RagingBad]

Errin Johnson that's one piece of shit terrible handling and unreliable trash

[@evilroboto]

Well it hasn't been for me. Sorry you dislike it.

[@Bidwellz9]

this made me appreciate my renegade so much more, i knew it was great when i was passing other 4x4 on the road during snow storms but this just settles it for me

[@dpatrick813]

Same here. And when I took her off-road in heavy mud with semi bald factory tires she got stuck less than the wranglers, fords.

[@Bidwellz9]

its a great suv for what i deal with here in upstate NY, needed a cheaper 4x4 that was new and the renegade checked all boxes lol @@dpatrick813

[@jarredl990]

Danny P. Uh yeah gonna cal bullshit on that. No part time dedicated 4 low and live axles front and back? Wrangler has both and more torque just from the 4.0 or 3.8/3.6. Definitely didn’t get stuck less than wranglers.

[@norfolksouthernrailworks1543]

@@jarredl990 Actually I would have to agree with Danny, it also can depend on the weight of the vehicles. One of the drawbacks Wrangler vs Renegade in mud is the fact that the Wrangler, especially with bigger suspension and heavier drivelines, can sink in easier. The Renegade was built for light weight, which unfortunately made the Wrangler unsuitable for the hill climb because of the heavier weight making it roll easier.

[@T4nkcommander]

Great video. I'm surprised and disappointed with the Trailhawks performance. :( Edit: another commenter mentioned rock mode intentionally behaves this way to prevent damage, and either mud or and mode would allow tires to spin. Since jeep promo videos show much worse than this, I'm thinking the mode selection is to blame.

[@BuddyPickleball]

Jeeps are awesome! Can't wait to go off roading again once I get mine out of the shop.

[@Lostinthewoods88]

I'm Wrangler guy myself and you are so right get a base Rubicon. Dig the show by the way!

[@LigerZeroFtw]

Watching this later and knowing how each mode works the reason both of these struggled on the last obstacle is because they were in rock mode which does not allow hardly any wheel spin. If both these vehicles were in mud mode they both would have walked the last obstacle. Also they did a video on goldmine hill later with a non trailhawk compass without Rock mode and it walked it no problem with 0 effort.

[@pilgrim7779]

I have a 2016 Renegade Trailhawk and it handles the mud and snow of Northern Michigan like a Thoroughbred champion! In fact, I get excited when we get heavy snow and high winds because I love to drive around and bust through the snow drifts. I carry a tow strap so that I can help all of the other SUV's get out of the ditch.

[@dorianraimey1970]

I wonder if they turned of the brake assist, I have a compass trailhawk and I had no issues going through a dip like that.

[@Steve-ec6ed]

My wife Has the 2018 Compass Latitude w/ no low gear. We live in the North East and get pretty bad winters here. I took it out last year when we got about a foot of snow before the snow plows had a chance to clear our area. I was pleasantly surprised with the performance in deep snow. I didn't get stuck once and it had stock tires on it. These may not be ideal for serious rock climbing obviously but for everyday needs its a great vehicle. Only complaint is its pretty damn slow.

[@AimeeSmile]

I love this video.. the fact you offroad tested these vehicles is so cool. THUMBS UP! Hillclimb vehicles operate usually in 4x4 at lowwww speed But neither suvs have enough lift/ correct suspension or tires to properly go through that last obstacle. Its really steep and deep. Flooring it wont help. Creating momentum was indeed the best option but be careful not to scrape the undercarriage of those beauties.

[@alexstern3583]

I've done black diamond trails all over socal with friends in slightly modified Trailhawk Cherokee's. They don't flex worth a damn but they make it every time, pretty amazing

[@kingpin3919]

Winner is.....Nathan! Keep up the good work boys. Would like to see some Tundra videos please

[@johnkennedy9938]

Have a mint 2017 Compass Latitude with cold weather package,9speed transmission and upgraded wheels and it’s an awesome 4x4 for the money. Only things I don’t have is navigation,sunroof and avoidance system. Love it.

[@sherryb9770]

That was so entertaining. And the answer to the final question was CORRECT! 😆 Love your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

This is a good demonstration of the modern approach to off-roading. The cars just throw electronics at the problem, and if that doesn't work, then they just shut down. In the older vehicles, even in stuff as recent as the TJ, if you press the gas, it will go. It will go until something breaks or you get yourself out. That's the big advantage to using an older generation Jeep. They just keep going.

[@jlang8213]

I want to see you guys try and take that Honda CRV (about 4:10, in the background) through this.

[@Cherrymerrymuffin]

Me too. They say it doesn’t compete but I know it does! Honda’s awd is good!!!

[@disneyfan9099]

cherry boyd Lol. Honda sucks

[@yadvindergakhal4294]

I seen that cr-v in many of the video's when they go up the hill

[@gtasandman]

If honda didnt dumb down the crvs AWD id say it would make it fine but honestly im not sure. Its literally the software holding it back.

[@Cherrymerrymuffin]

They didn’t dumb down nothing! It is good. It was good before the torque vectoring. Out of the front wheel drive dominant AWD systems out there it’s the only one that doesn’t peel out before it catches traction. I live in the springs, work at a dealer and have tested them in the snow. I’ll repeat Honda’s AWD system is good. If you want to off-road in the Pilot you put it in sand mode. The CRV will go up that with the traction control off, if not on. They raised it 2” don’t get me wrong I love my 96 XJ and it’s 4wd. The new cheaper Jeeps don’t have anything on the CRV.

[@markdarnell2792]

One fact not mentioned and all the early model Wranglers knew was wheelbase, the Renegade has a advantage with smaller wheelbase. A lot of trashing on them comments but if you have watched TFL videos with different vehicles on those exact same obstacles when dry and not snowing, couldn’t make them like the Trailhawk Renegade did. With small lift and better tires and a Winch, make a great off roader.

[@HoosierDaddy_]

So if you're out offroading in these and you get to a slick spot, it just stops? Is there no way to defeat that system?

[@NukePooch1]

Unfortunately, it seems to be common...I think I remember seeing the TFL tests of the Toy Highlander and a Subaru (among others) doing the same thing.

[@TFLcar]

Yes, the way Roman did it, otherwise you are stuck. There's no way to disable the system unfortunately.

[@peninsulahomerenovations9680]

That's what the trail rating means, when you go off road it shuts down hence the dealer and manufacturer are not liable for any damage or injury.

[@solangebatista6286]

Yes. Select Sand or Mud mode. In rock mode it avoids spinning wheels to prevent tyre/vehicle damage on the rocks.

[@NukePooch1]

This problem wasn't related to traction control. Some vehicles back off on the throttle to prevent driveline damage (or perhaps because they have weak drivelines to begin with?). These Jeeps could have made it, had the vehicle not backed off on the throttle and allowed full power. It's quite common in crossovers, unfortunately.

[@bigsyrup8567]

So in short: the Renegade is fine for someone like me who spends a large amount of time on the highway, and wants to do some reasonable off-road bouncing to get to the usual shooting/camping spots. An Wrangler is ASS on the highway, but if you want a nicer mudding/crawling rig and want to sacrifice highway comfort, that’s the way to go. Glad to see I made the right choice and got the Renegade. Just have to understand the limits of the machine.

[@XerxesTheGreatOne]

These vehicles need to be way cheaper for what they are! :P

[@Bidwellz9]

my renegade sport was 21k , i dont know what they added to increase the price so much, because a sunroof shouldnt make that much difference

[@ChrisParayno]

Right?! I don't remember my Suzuki sidekick being this expensive and because it had a lowspeed gear box was more capable then these.

[@XerxesTheGreatOne]

@@ChrisParayno Good on you Christ. I have it's twin the Chevrolet Tracker and it would eat both these overpriced toys alive with its low gear transfer case and solid rear axle...

[@ZachariaZuehlke]

Honestly the trailhawk spec probably isn’t even worth it in this category. With lift springs, the sport and latitude models with manual and 4x4 probably are at least if not more capable than the trailhawks lol.

[@clints8731]

The compass looks georgous. But yes, for off road get the Wrangler. I love Jeeps. They all have a very special purpose.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

The secret with the Renegade is to get the AWD sport model with manual transmission and punchier 1.4 turbo engine. Regularly see these advertised new for under $14k.

[@nicholasolsen4698]

oldtwins na actually, the 1.4 is plagued with issues. The 2.4 is much more reliable.

[@desiv1170]

No issues with ours, and I haven't seen a lot of reports of issues with it. That said, there have been reports of issues with the automatic trans versions...

[@totalchaos290]

You will

[@desiv1170]

Lew Rossi Everyone will have issues with their vehicle if they own it long enough. 😀

[@totalchaos290]

worked for Chrysler for 34 years. I hear nothing but bad stuff about these cars. I,m sure some people will get a good one. But dealers dont lke the fiat engine.

[@brianstewart8936]

I used to have an 07 Patriot, not the off-road model, but a 4x4 with the 5 speed manual. There is a certain place you basically go down into a hole and have to crawl back out, much steeper and deeper that stage 3. Patriot handled it no issues. Trick was to turn off all the nannies, lock the 4wd 50/50, get a some momentum and go in first. Climbed it great and was also the best vehicle I have ever had in snow. I would be you can disable the nannies in these. It took a couple steps in the Patriot but made a massive difference.

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

A Wrangler is obviously better than these two off roading, especially the more hardcore stuff like stage 3, but these two would drive so much better on road than that bouncy loud brick in the wind Wrangler, especially the Sport which would be around the 30-34k mark and their visibility sucks in comparison. I do love the look and color of that Jeep Compass Trailhawk though. There are not many if any that can drive excellent on both the road and off road that is actually affordable brand new. I wish I could afford the new Chevy ZR2 so I can have my truck/but with some Wrangler off road ability for some of those hopeful future fishing and hunting trips. Great video, very enjoyable as always. Ciao! :D

[@AuroraNobreVasc]

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[@jacobshort5378]

3 years with a compass and it's been reliable along with great in snow and off road. Sure I can't do what a wrangler or other true 4x4 can but for what I do it's been great.

[@bernardhossmoto]

Do these systems not have a "Traction Control OFF" button? On my Mitsubishi I just go 4WD LOCK and TRC OFF when it get's rough.

[@nicholasolsen4698]

hossguitar yes they do.

[@bernardhossmoto]

Why didn't they press it?

[@junebug6553]

You can also shut off the ESC by holding it down. I do believe that would have kept them from losing power due to loss of traction. Another thing I found in my Renegade is putting it in manual helps also when climbing hills.

[@yanboa]

@@bernardhossmoto it turns off automatically in 4 Low. So... it's just a terrible system, don't blame the guys.

[@deereman8237]

It is a computer limitation when you use “rock mode”. It limits the power so you don’t slide around and bottom out the car on accident. They just need to leave it in auto or sport and put it in 4 low with the traction control and esp off.

[@josephgodin2260]

That was fun to watch guys. Lucky I haven't met one of those on the trail yet. Keep up to good work

[@fordexplorer9414]

It looks like a heroine being hated by the hero despite being jeopardized. I go for renegade because it is a clear 4WD

[@BoopSnoot]

I think they simply may have screwed up in which mode to choose. I believe in rock mode it will stop you from going over something too difficult or flipping a rock over, and so simply halt like it did here. But if you choose a different mode like mud then the computer won't just cut power as it was doing here. It was an electronic limitation, not a power issue, and thus probably resolvable by reading the owners manual.

[@minato450]

Nothing but TFL videos to end the day.. 👍🏼

[@zacharymartin4861]

12:36 Damn, Roman. 💪😂

[@helio68]

Zachary Martin haha lawl that was great haha

[@Metalbass1979]

Zachary Martin Yeah, he must have eaten his Wheaties before filming. Who needs a winch when he's around. Haha.

[@TFLcar]

Roman strong like Russia Bear ;-)

[@zacharymartin4861]

The Fast Lane Car 😂

[@Offshore1977]

Who needs lockers when you have Roman

[@k.r.v.4219]

Ok their both fine vehicles that have plenty to offer the market and customer that buys one. But this shows what I’ve felt all along. The Compass needs the fine 3.2 V6 I have in my Cherokee! That engine would be a great addition to the Compass!

[@orkutfinance]

I miss the Cherokee XJ

[@christiantaboada]

one of the best SUVs ever created and the true crossover

[@docholliday6296]

Roman talk's and sounds just like my uncle haha...and even resembles him some..... it still catches me off guard even after watching for years...

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

Now THAT'S a mashup! Hell yeah!

[@nathant2414]

Wonder if the Renegade headlights are the same size as the Wranglers? So you could put those nice LED projector lights

[@frh-freerangehuman]

Now that the Bronco Sport is out, hopefully well see a comparison of these two, with the sport and maybe a forrester. Also comparing within brands but across platforms is something I hope youll continue to do

[@JonBecker81]

The Bronco Sport will line up closer to the Cherokee Trailhawk, not these two.

[@frh-freerangehuman]

@@JonBecker81 yea very true. I think ford’s original intent was to compete with compass and renegade, judging by preliminary videos. Now having owned one since January I can attest to how capable the Badlands is and not just an escape in wolfs clothing

[@JonBecker81]

@@frh-freerangehuman I used to own a Cherokee trailhawk and it was significantly more serious off road than these two were. It had an actual transfer case with low ratio and a mechanical rear locker. There was nothing in its class that could even come close to its capabilities until the Bronco sport rolled out. They’re pretty awesome. I have a ranger Fx4 now but I think when my wife is ready for a new car she wants to get a Bronco sport. So we’ll be a Ford family.

[@frh-freerangehuman]

@@JonBecker81 very cool. The trail hawks are nice admittedly. How was it reliability wise? I love my badlands and I do recommend that’s the model you go for. Subsequent years will probably be even better

[@calid5933]

I know there are strong feelings on either side of the argument but both seem to miss the point. As a former Jeep Patriot owner, I can tell you the Jeep name means much more than what model you have. Jeep is more than physical parts. Jeep is about exploration, getting out to see new things, pushing your boundaries. Jeep recognized for most around the world, the mean just a rutted gravel road on the weekend in between a work week in the city. Not everyone needs to rock crawl and certainly not everyone wants Wrangler for daily use. Like it or not. Jeep can't survive on bitter Wrangler owners alone. You want more Wranglers, then Jeep needs to build more Renegades and Compass. Welcome to the world of consumers. Let people buy the Jeep that works for them. Compass and Renegade were never meant to be Wranglers and they were never advertised as such. They are however, more capable than other vehicles in their class, therefore, to those who buy them, they are Jeeps. My Patriot was far more capable than anyone would give it credit for. It helped me get out there and explore. It got me into the Jeep culture. That my friends, makes it a true Jeep.

[@MarkPdot]

"Off-road" rated vehicles that cuts ALL power to wheels when loss of traction? Trail Rated set up with basically street tires? WTH good is that?

[@calvinkang1224]

Strong man Roman, best Gold Mine Hill climb video ever!

[@tritchie6272]

I would like to see more of this type review when possible. In this one both Roman and Andrea behaved like adults and still made a fun entertaining video. One that I won't be ashamed to share with Church people.

[@davidvasanathach6937]

I like this format for the video. Keeps it interesting.

[@pablor6389]

Do It with the grand Cherokee trailhawk please🙏

[@grantpratt299]

with the 2.4 vs the 3.2

[@AdmiralRustyShackleford]

Grand Cherokee base engine is the 3.6, you're thinking of the Cherokee.

[@gsxellence]

When you guys go off road, why do you not turn off your TCS (especially if you know it's going to cut the power)?

[@Games_And_More]

Got an orange trailhawk compass the other day love it!

[@TomJones-rb6ym]

Great video. Just got my Renegade last week. From watching the video, I suspect the Renegade needs two things; #1, A much lower gear ratio for 1st gear & #2, Electronic locking front & rear differentials. (The computer brake traction control system effectively cuts the available torque to wheel turn power in half - because a 20:1 1st gear ratio turns into a 10:1 gear ratio when the computer applies locking brake action to a wanna-be-spinning wheel that is in the air. -- That is why the Jeeps ran out of power in your video when climbing with wheels in the air. Either #1 and/or #2 would take care of 10:1 ratio you end up getting with computer wheel brake lock when climbing something with some wheels in the air). North Idaho Tom Jones

[@TomJones-rb6ym]

Another problem which would be solved with electronic locking front and rear differentials is wheel binding. Just like in the Video, when the Jeep Renegade TrailHawk 20:1 gear ratio is climbing a steep hill with one wheel in the air and the computer applies a brake action to the wheel in the air to keep it from spinning which forces the other tire on the same axle to turn actually results in axle with one wheel in the air having a 10:1 gear ratio and the axle with both tires on the ground to have a 20:1 gear ratio. This is like putting one axle in in 1st gear and the other in 5th gear. The two axles want to traverse a different distance per revolution of the differential - this causes binding.

[@TomJones-rb6ym]

Electronic computer brake traction control is great for low-traction surfaces such as ice and snow where you don't need the power. However in environments where you need the power to turn a single tire with good traction can only be properly and efficiently solved with locking differentials.

[@leudwigc6000]

The Compass looks better. But essentially they are the same car..... Yes I said car.

[@brandonpollard8928]

Leudwig C crossover at the least enjoy your car tho

[@andreshates]

this was a fun episode, Roman pulling the Compass up was hilarious.

[@AscendingBliss]

Nothing in its class that competes? I have seen Foresters and Crosstreks that have conquered much harder obstacles than what these two "Jeeps" struggled with.

[@DylanBogusz]

Taylor Hayden probably would bottom out on this course

[@TdotSoul]

LOL you think the Crosstrek could even begin to compete? It's down 30 horses at least.

[@Lord_ofcinder]

crosstreks are garbage compared to this.

[@thallysdacostalima951]

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[@ryanalbright6510]

Tires,Tires, Tires make a differents.

[@Renthoibi]

if tyres were a issue then it should have spin on the ground,,,the transmission was not able to deliver the power to the wheels ,, 12:35 the engine was just roaring

[@daredevilchicken]

also....deflate those things!

[@AdmiralRustyShackleford]

Put some mud terrains on it, disable the traction control. Shouldn't have a problem then. Or just get a 6spd manual Wrangler and be far better off than these 2 ever could be.

[@thedoorider]

One thing about my '18 Renegade Trailhawk is that unless you are in "Rock mode Low range" The Renegade will always start out in 2nd gear. I have been in situations like shown in this video where my Renegade struggled to make a go of it. But if I manually downshifted to 1st gear (Low range) it did much better with little if any struggle.

[@thewhiteEagle]

very beautiful this jeep cars ..in the future i want to buy one of those

[@Depreciating_Daily]

Do you have eyes?

[@thewhiteEagle]

sam matson ask yourself before ask me...

[@as-qt3vr]

I plan on buying the compass. Cheaper than an actual Jeep and more practical. Which are you going to be buying?

[@thewhiteEagle]

Alisha I will buy jeep compass because it's more beautiful than any cars in it's class

[@thewhiteEagle]

guy proulx yes

[@B2Cshank]

Confused you can't get a wrangler for the same price as a compass. We just bought a 2019 compass Height Altitude. It is truly a mini grand Cherokee my wife Loves it. For the same price we might have been able to get a 2 door base wrangler.. we much rather have a luxury compass it's a sweet looking Jeep. Went with the two toned red and black. I didn't think I would like the full moon roof but it quickly grown on me.

[@311Nate_Allen]

"I'd buy a wrangler" I was thinking the same thing.

[@NotSure876]

New wranglers (jk) are over priced crap. I’d go with a TJ rubicon, if I went Jeep, I love my 93 4Runner

[@AwholvNation]

I feel you might've had better results when the compass got stuck using the mud setting. Nice video and i fully agree with the get a wrangler comment at the end hahaha

[@mikedgg2]

But can that Honda CR-V in the background make it up!?!?

[@jedironin380]

Don't forget that there is a regular road that comes up the other side of GMH, where regular cars can drive up. It's been mentioned in other videos. **They should show a video of the road up the back of GMH someday! Comparison of a Honda Civic and Ford Fiesta up GMH- up the road-side, that is. hahaha

[@zacharynolte6085]

Great video entertainment wise, production wise, and educational wise!!

[@partyrocker27al]

Damn so much hate in these comments. I personally really like the renegades style and don't mind it being a fiat. It has decent fuel economy for daily driving and has great off road capability for its class when you need it. Most people buying these cars don't have off roading as a priority and want a practical daily that can take on snow and other obstacles when the time comes so I don't understand all the hate. I feel like all these guys hating are just sad with their 1996 Cherokee' s cuz they can't afford a new jeep. Let's see how much hate I get :)

[@costeen6749]

Haha great comment :)

[@svig7538]

Wow Roman pulling the Jeep up made me hit the floor laughing . These guys and their reviews are awesome.

[@Eeaotc02]

That 2.4L engine sounds horrible! Imagine dealing with everyday when you're flooring it. My goodness!

[@lowrangemaniac5326]

Joshua Johnson better the sound of the european version whit the 2.0 turbodiesel engine

[@totalchaos290]

Radio turn it up

[@lowrangemaniac5326]

Lew Rossi YEAH!!! Turn up the volume and forget that noise!!! XD

[@nickanthony90]

Low Range Maniac or just don't drive around in 4lo and you'll be fine

[@doolindanger2459]

Why are you flooring it everyday? - Good Grief!

[@dc9mm2]

Couple things the compass went faster at that whole yet still didn't make it. So the extra weight is what kills it. The drag race the compass got a slight jump at the start so they were the same in drag race. Funny is the zero to sixty times are quite a bit slower than the results the TV show Motorweek got. Granted different sea level but it was quite a bit slower. Great test guys.

[@dlakerguy]

What a joke. How embarrassing for Jeep or any automaker that does this nanny crap to their vehicles that wont let you even try to overcome obstacles if needed.

[@glennwilcox7193]

I wonder if you guys kept the anti-slip on. I have a Jeep compass. Whenever I keep the anti-slip on I can't make it up a hill. But when I turn it off I don't have any trouble.

[@robertkaczmarek4948]

This cutting off of all power disappointed me very much. And I just wanted to buy Compass Trailhawk. Unfortunately now I have doubts. Is it worth spending so much money on this version since it will stand on the middle of the road as the rest? I am very disappointed!

[@jim6807]

robert kaczmarek I'd still go for it. The problem here was these guys don't know how to turn off traction control I got my renegade trailhawk for 20k with a 7 year warranty. To fully disable traction control just hold down ESC for 7 seconds and it would have made it up no problems.

[@robertkaczmarek4948]

Jimmy Aretz. I hope you're right. Thanks for telling me that.

[@Nothingtoya]

Just get a base Wrangler, you won't have to worry about it.

[@big_neptune_g]

robert kaczmarek The alternative is to put the drive mode selector to sand or mud. You will still have all the wheels spinning...

[@FlyinRyanProductions406]

I jest bought a 17 renegade trailhawk. If I put it in mud mode I would smash those hills. Yes I own a 11 rubicon 2 door also. And yes the rubicon would smash a renegade but these turds can’t drive these. The renegade trailhawk is waaaay more capable than people think.

[@Integra_Palestras]

I think In Brazil we have the best of this Jeep’s, they engines are diesel 2.0 turbo, with 9 speed auto shift. The engine is FCA. Thanks your’s vídeos.

[@jordannn392]

i’m sorry but this whole “electronic” crap that these fiat jeeps have is so cringe. the fact that the compass cuts off power to all 4 wheels when it didn’t sense traction on that one part is utterly pathetic. gosh i miss the days when jeeps were ran with the bulletproof 4.0L straight six :/

[@GAMETHERAPISTYT]

Renegade beatiful in front but not so in back

[@Julian-do7bv]

Why would They ever put in a program to cut power to all 4 wheels that is just stupidity

[@PatrickRich]

they don't and it doesn't. it just doesn't have enough wheel torque at those engine speeds to be able to brake 2 wheels in the air and have enough left over to turn 2 wheels on the ground on a steep hill. The wheels on the ground are getting the full might that the engine has to offer but at those speeds its insufficient.

[@abhamber]

Well said! Finally someone who understands what's going on and not writing it off as software programming! Traction control is nice, but it does have its limitations.

[@flightmedic7634]

Yes Brake Lock Differential is a awesome system but without a true low range it is limited once you're encountering steep terrain or obstacles. I've got a 2011 Liberty (with a true low range), in that application I can go over some ridiculous obstacles with ease because there's always enough torque to turn the wheels. It's a shame they couldn't have put a real low range in these (like the new Cherokee).

[@OggyGTA]

I have pointed out to Fast Lane on several occasions that they are not disabling the traction control - holding the button down for 5 seconds disables the feature that cuts the power to the drive wheels when traction is lost.

[@RKmndo]

@@flightmedic7634 Even my 2.5L YJ had enough power and torque to keep tires turning with a 2.72:1 low-range. These new Jeeps need at least a rear LSD, instead of the electronic TCS gizmos that cut power. Does anybody make a rear LSD or locker for these yet?

[@eduardosanchez7827]

This is your best video in a long time!!

[@brandonpollard8928]

I love my Renegade until you drive one and or own one HUSH now I don't get that type of hate when ppl see it in person. Lol its yellow and im definitely sure if I saw any other car on the road it's only because I don't want to hit it haha. Renegade hate yeahhhh your cars probably boring

[@yanboa]

Funny. I loved the Renegade UNTIL I drove it... I love the looks. The drive is garbage in every regard.

[@barbaracoleman6641]

Just bought a Jeep Renegade Latitude. It handles speed bumps, pot holes and curbs like a champ. Lol!😁😉😊

[@abouttogetlit5120]

Too bad there is a weed eater drowning out the engine noise of the jeeps...oh wait that was the jeeps

[@mikeandre9903]

Great video now I know what to look for when I buy my next 4x4 Jeep Compass because 4 right now the Jeep Wrangler is out of my budget the Jeep Renegade is a little boxy and funny-looking as far as Style and I like my cargo space that orange Trailhawk is nice

[@robvas]

POWER WAGON DONT CARE

[@TFLcar]

Yes indeed and we have that on a TFL shirt now: teespring.com/stores/tfl

[@justinmadsen7339]

Should buy Nathan that he loves it

[@denismarino1117]

Cool video by Roman and Co. Alex, Geese and Sofyan make more informative videos, but TFL's are always the most entertaining to watch...

[@SoFloLuca]

Thank you Fiat for finally making some beautiful vehicles for what used to be an awful Chrysler brand! Grande Fiat! 🇮🇹❤️👍🏻

[@SoFloLuca]

Quique D. On Honda and Toyota you might be right....but do you see what they make? The most boring refrigerators on the planet! I need more, and FCA brings it now.....again that’s my opinion....thanks for replaying

[@melvrv90]

But technically not better

[@SoFloLuca]

Melvinio technically not better....today FCA just won motor trend car of the year! Beat out Honda and Toyota bmw Audi Mercedes etc....trust me....I have multiple FCA products, and they never let me down yet!

[@rogermiller2805]

What are you basing that on? Your wife read it somewhere. They all will get groceries, but that stops when the going gets tough.

[@SoFloLuca]

Roger Miller Hey Bozo Miller.....I’m basing it on my own personal experience! I said I own multiple FCA products, and I never had any issues with them....so what are you talking about?!

[@fordfiveohh]

You gotta remember though, they start in 2nd gear unless you manual shift.

[@1970HondaCL100]

Chrysler Sebring platform versus a Fiat 500L platform.

[@Germaneon]

Nope! New Compass and Renegade share the same plattform.

[@TFLcar]

That's correct. The Compass platform is just a stretched version of the Renegade

[@brianstewart8936]

Wrong on both accounts

[@mikelyons9971]

The 2007-2016 compass shares the same chassis as the caliber and patriot. The renegade is a fiat 500L chassis. The new compass is the same fiat 500L chassis as the renegade.

[@brianstewart8936]

mike lyons no. It is not the 500L platform.

[@akira5.4]

All you gotta do in that situation of traction control taking over is shut it off with the push of a button. I got the Sport model Renegade 4x4 and realized this little “trick” from some rough off-roading.

[@philtripe]

putting "trail hawk" on those "jeeps" is like getting a Barbie doll with a "Gi Joe" package...daddy why does Barbie have a gun?

[@costeen6749]

Lol:)

[@jeepjoseph9036]

How?