Jeep Wrangler Rubicon vs Sport vs Renegade vs Cliffhanger 2.0 Extreme Off-Road Mashup Review

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[@jacobmarx1994]

I went up this trail today in my 2004 Rubicon, 4" lift, 33" tires. Let me just say that the trail looks WAY SCARIER in person! It's just impossible to show how steep and rocky it really is on camera. Super fun though!

[@TucsonDude]

Where exactly is it? By Nederland?

[@Bruce6001]

And after you beat your jeep up and get to the top what happens does a Bigfoot come by and give you a cookie?

[@deepakramesh11]

@@Bruce6001 big foot gives you a fart😂

[@MotoMaximus]

@@Bruce6001 No, bigfoot catches and eats you when you are skiing on the way down...

[@JeepTJWheelin]

@Jacob Marx Most videos never do the trail justice, you need to shoot them at ground level to really show just how difficult they are. Even then, it doesn't compare to being there! The best generation of Jeep is the TJ. And your Rubicon is arguably the best Jeep ever made. I have an '05 TJ Rocky Mtn 4.0 with 2" Old Man Emu coils on 32" KO2's, 3.73's, limited slip with the Dana 44 and it's been a highly capable off road animal since I built it three years ago. But looking to do more challenging trails, which is why I'll be getting mud terrains and lockers in due time. Wish I lived in Colorado. That state is just an enormous playground for Jeeps.

[@ldodom]

TFL has truly progressed, over the years, into an excellent resource. From your Gold Hitch awards to your mashups, you all have really evolved nicely. Great work guys!

[@TFLtruck]

Thanks for the kind words. We keep working hard to make better and more interesting car and truck reviews and we're glad it shows. Thanks for watching!

[@NemeanLion-]

They've upgraded to drone footage.

[@OggyGTA]

And not learning how to use a Renagade 4x4 before slagging it off.

[@SPN16]

I'm from a Jeep Wrangler family and I thank God daily! My dad bought a 2007 Jeep JL Rubicon 2 door 6 speed manual back in 2007, last year he kept it and bought a 2021 Jeep JLU SAHARA 8 speed automatic. My wife has a 2013 Jeep JK Sport S 2 door 5 speed automatic Jurassic Jeep JP29 and I have a 2020 Jeep JL Sport 2 door 6 speed manual. My mom on the other hand has her 2009 Commander Limited since she got it in 2009. It's so fun seeing all the Jeeps parked together at family get togethers

[@4-LOW]

Best video so far. You won't see other mainstream auto reviews do real trail testing like this. To most journalists, an "offroad" test means crossing a stream with 3" of standing water. Good work here. Whoever edits these vids should get a pay raise also.

[@EliteCentral]

I started dying when tommy called the renegade a fiat 😂

[@md_randoms2429]

i mean is he wrong?!

[@davidtwa8492]

Isnt the jk also basicaly a fiat??

[@md_randoms2429]

@@davidtwa8492 no

[@mrutan6055]

Yes the renegade is made in Italy 🇮🇹

[@santodolce85]

Vai a fare la spesa con il rubicon. Non ci va manco una busta della spesa. Così come il renegade non é da off road estremo. E si, é una Fiat ed é quella Fiat che ha salvato il marchio Jeep, quindi per piacere, fatela finita con questa spocchia. Il renegade é una gran macchina, tanto quanto il wrangler ma con diverse caratteristiche.

[@robertsn6584]

id rather buy the sport and put real tires and shocks on it

[@kalebsummerville4406]

Robert Snyder no you wouldn't. I have an 04 tj x and we just bought a 17 rubi jku.. that 4:1 tcase and stock lockers make a world of difference, blew my mind to be stock. Mine tjs regeared to 4:10 w 4in lift, Bilstein shocks, and 33s (soon going to 4.88 and 35s) and my approach angle and clearance is my only advance right now. It'd cost me a grand for ARB lockers and $2500 minimum for a 241 tcase that's in the rubis.. or hell over 3k if I go with the atlas 2

[@timrice5342]

@@kalebsummerville4406 depends? If the most it's going to ever see is fire roads... A sport S with quick disconnects and better tires will be enough. I chased an 04 Rubicon on 35's up a rock garden and I was in a s-10 ZR2 with 5" and 32's I had to pick better lines, and my wheel based helped me out a little. but none the less it was doable. and a new sport S stock would walk circles all over my old S-10. I've had my fill of trail riding.......the Renegade pulls me back, but the Sport S makes more sense for the money. especially on the resale side of things. Honestly, I could be just as happy with a Ram promaster base camp with a rack on the back for a Honda crf250. ...change my mind. talk me into a Jeep. :)

[@yournotdatguypal]

Really how about them leather seats on the rubicon though buddy?

[@CarnutMM]

You still wouldn’t have Dana 44’s and 4:1 transfer case along with sway bar disconnect.

[@odys3803]

For 11k you can buy better parts compared to what Rubicon has, and you can cherry pick them to your needs. Front diff lock won't help that much, and you need to turn it off on descent anyway. I wouldn't count tyres as an extra, they waer out, just like brakes and oil and what not, you need to change them regularly.

[@bighibs]

I can't say enough how much I love your guys off road videos. Showing what can be done in a stock vehicle off road is unique and innovative. You guys don't just do the courses that manufacturers put you on to show the capabilities, the actual real world is the key. Thanks again guys, don't stop cranking stuff like this out, best out there.

[@edgrigsby8610]

Thanks for clearing stuff up. I didn't realize that the sport came with trac-loc AND brake lock. Just opened up a whole new price range! Thanks guys!

[@takayama1638]

Wow Tommy, I'm impressed with that Sport! Those tires, etc., and it just keeps going.

[@3BoOoDTV]

It's rare to see real off roading test on youtube. That was amazing thank you guys

[@zacharyicenhower4503]

I just picked up a 2016 Wrangler Sport. Pretty excited to see what it can do.

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

I fell in love when I saw the title. This is now my favorite video on the channel. I love Jeeps (especially Wranglers), I love your guys' off-road content, and this video was all of it rolled into one. I could not get enough of this stuff. It's like an off-road Jeep high.

[@TucsonDude]

That SPORT is exactly like mine. Same color, transmission and options. Glad to see it did as well as it did. The Rubi is out of my current budget.

[@andreasm2882]

Nice, your son is a great driver. Now I feel like buying a Wrangler Sport as well.

[@wildbill23c]

Buy a base model sport, and install your own lockers and save $20k.

[@McManzus18]

Nice video TFLTruck! I always love to see your off road tests and comparisons! I'm more of a Toyota guy, but this was still a fun and interesting video to watch! Keep em coming!

[@freezor80]

Hey Roman, I love the fact you let Tommy get in on the videos. He is very good at this. He sounds very comfortable talking and really knows his stuff.

[@MichaelMiller-rg6or]

Honestly, I feel like if Andre had backed up, put his foot on the pedal and gathered some momentum, he could have gotten past that point. That being said, that was quite a disappointing performance. It cries out for a more powerful engine.

[@TFLtruck]

+Michael Miller thanks for the comment but Andre was floored. The engine has plenty of power but the terrain management system cuts the power to the wheels when they have no traction.

[@gilbertnadeau7181]

I've seen other reviews where they had the same issues with the traction control on the Trail Hawk. Not a very good off road vehicle but fine for gravel roads etc.

[@Pepsiaddicto]

I think some BFG tires would have given the traction required for the renegade to get up that hill. I have KO2s on my trailhawk, and it makes a big difference.

[@donaldweber7636]

The Renegade, even the Trailhawk, has no low range. All the "low range" button does is keep the transmission in first gear, which gives it a ~20:1 crawl ratio. (Under normal driving conditions, the Trailhawk Renegade starts off in second gear) What kills the Renegade is gearing and articulation. Not much gearing, pretty much no articulation. It uses the same brake lock system as the Wrangler. I have a Renegade, but not the Trailhawk version. Is a a good all wheel drive commuter and drives really well on longer trips. 80 mph at less than 2000 rpm. It can only do light offroading as it doesn't even have a spare tire.

[@Pepsiaddicto]

+Donald Weber Trailhawk has a full sized spare in the back. With a 1.5" lift it actually has more ground clearance and better angles than a stock Wrangler. Not saying that it's as capable. You're right that the gearing could be a lot better, but I've seen the TH do things you wouldn't expect it to be able to do.

[@fordrac1ng81]

BLD is pretty darn good. I watch Ronny Dahl's channel and his dad has a stock JK with no lockers and that thing goes everywhere. The only thing is you gotta go through the obstacles faster than the vehicles with lockers to keep momentum.

[@Dwealdric]

I also love that channel and am amazed at what Brian conquers in his open/open JK. Driver experience counts for a lot though, and that man definitely has some skills.

[@NickSharpe]

Air down- cheap locker substitute

[@fordrac1ng81]

Nick Sharpe That is in no way a substitute for a locker.

[@NickSharpe]

not in every situ but def the one the renegade got stuck in. and all i said was video the attempt and prove us wrong. I've gotten out of far worse with a simple airdown.

[@jasonpreslar6251]

One of the best vids I've seen posted by you fellas. An actual legit comparison. More like this would be great. Thanks for the content.

[@BladeAutoCenter]

love the Jeep Rubicon. Tried it last week off road. handled really well.

[@12345mike6789]

I would be happy with just the sport.

[@HoosierSons]

Mike's DIY Projects & More I want a Sahara. Luxury version of the wrangler with the look of the wrangler. I may do a little off reading but I just like the Jeep brand

[@longdonglarry]

the sport would have done it as easy as the rubicon if if had the same tires

[@michaelsears3092]

Tires and lockers in the sport and still cheaper but just as good

[@timrice5342]

@@longdonglarry you notice in that one spot the s took the hard line and the Rubicon didn't... No bashing on the rubicon because it is off the shelf best. I just tire of the paid advertisement that fudges and blurs the truth. 9:39 look at what he is trying to bounce his right front tire over. might as well throw a wheel chock under it. Sway bar quick disconnects, better tires and maybe a 2" body lift and that sport S will serve most people just fine. If some one is going to jack it and run 35's 37's etc, yeah start with the Dana 44 front. as for the Renegade. guys are dropping lifts and 245/65's on it and killing gas mileage. at least with a sport s I could still pull a cargo trailer/boat

[@johnganshow5536]

For thousands less than the Rubicon, all the sport needed was more off road oriented tires, that hill would have been much easier...

[@weekendwarrior8179]

I was surprised that the renegade didn't make it. I've seen it complete black bear pass

[@mrvwbug4423]

Fred Williams also had the same issue with lack of power on the ascent and had to gun it up one section after some rock stacking, but it made it up and down the really hairy section without breaking.

[@donaldweber7636]

Black Bear isn't that hard. Most of it can be done in 2wd.

[@giobikefans]

I think with different tires it might have done a bit better, but I do like that they drive them how most people would... that is without a huge tire budget

[@smackface6]

the hardest part of that trail is downhill and gravity did that not the fiat

[@mjg6377]

Weekend Warrior That’s good to know. They didn’t try very hard to get the Renegade up the hill. He didn’t even back up a little and try again. Guess no one is gonna buy the $40k truck if the $25k vehicle is capable (enough).

[@MetalCord117]

A fantastic video for anyone considering a Jeep. I wish there more videos like this directly comparing features across a product line. Thanks for the work guys. Much appreciated.

[@rafaeldomenikos5978]

wow such a lovely video guys!!! you are the best channel on youtube for off road videos by far!!! keep it up! greedings from Greece!

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Wrangler sport is the winner by far. It did everything the Rubicon did but for $13,000+ less money.

[@kalebsummerville4406]

buildmorefarms100 on an easy trail. Put the same lift and tires on em on a hard trail and you'll see the difference. My wife's 17 jku rubicon is more capable than my 04 tj that's on 33s, 4 in lift and 4.10s. and even if I went to 4.88 gears and 35s it still would be without lockers. Also the 4:1 tcase is no joke. These guys are just showing you the difference in traction up a lose packed hill with some small rocks

[@brianamrhein640]

On that trail the sport was fine yes but take it up a more technical trail the Rubicon will shine

[@dchawk81]

I dunno it really struggled and he put some wear on it compared to the Rubicon that nearly went up in cruise control. Both did it, but repetition of this kind of trail and the Rubicon will last longer.

[@rik999]

Great mash-up and choice of vehicles. The drone views are great. Now, after watching Tommy on the final leg when he was butting up against a large rock one asks if a front mounted camera be an aid to finding the best course? Obviously a spotter is the best, but even then a camera could show the best way to point the front wheels (in Tommy's case around that rock).

[@AKDurkee1]

Love the new trail test. Looks like a much more complete test of off road skills. Great views at the top too. Looking forward to more videos from this spot!

[@DJ12Ema]

you guys are the best!!! this is my favorite youtube show by far, thank you guys!

[@nickmcd-ck6vk]

its funny how if they just spin the tires a little bit they always say I'm stuck lol in my opinion stuck means you can't move.

[@christopherking2012]

They didn't want to damage the fiat

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

What an exciting video❗️ The rock/paper/scissors was a real nail biter‼️😴😴😴

[@boss123400]

Wait till they play a nerve racking game of checkers in the finals.

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

Troy Strain Do you mean draughts, the most exciting game known to man⁉️😐😐😐

[@boss123400]

+MrKeyboardCommando Is that like the trots were you have to run to the bathroom? 💦💩💦💩💦💩🙃

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

Troy Strain No.

[@boss123400]

+MrKeyboardCommando Sounds shatty anyway.

[@godwhomismike]

Excellent video guys. This might be one of my favorite videos you guys ever did.

[@bpw0000]

Great off-road video on a respectably difficult looking trail! My JK sport on 33's with a front locker keeps up with everyone in my Jeep club, even on level 4 trails.

[@1guyin10]

That is an impressive trail. Obviously the Renegade is waaayyy outgunned on that one. Its a great little commuter-mobile that will also get you to your fishing hole, but climbing mountains is a bit much to ask. Meanwhile the Wrangler makes it looks fairly easy, which is why they can't build enough of them.

[@Dwealdric]

I think the Renegade has engineered shortcomings that prevent it from completing trails within its capability. No true low range, and either the electronics rob power from the engine, or the engine merely doesn't have what it takes due FCA's quest for good fuel economy in this vehicle.

[@JeepTJWheelin]

@@Dwealdric It has its demographic, moms and grandmothers, a solid grocery getter even in light snow.

[@MarkM58]

Andre blew it. That was driver error. I think that Renegade could have made it if he was a better driver.

[@bansheezs]

Its the lack of a real low range gear.

[@timheuer6787]

I completely agree. I own a stock Renegade Trailhawk and I know that that could have been done. My Jeep came with Falken tires from the factory though. Part of me thinks that they had him get stuck on purpose.

[@kagennalwood6845]

Should have put it in sand mode there are no rocks there

[@michaelchurley]

Mark Mangus yes, more speed, different mode, TC off, it's a puff piece

[@Bruce6001]

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[@weskridge]

I honestly dont mid watching ads for you guys since you actually make a quality “show”

[@s.centralkeystone558]

That was a really nice comparison on some truly difficult terrain. Great video guys!

[@Brandon-to9vp]

Could have let air out of the renegade tires, would have helped allot

[@jeepercreepers54]

The point was to show the Renegade as the inferior Jeep...which it is.

[@Brandon-to9vp]

@@jeepercreepers54 renegade would make it with actual off-road tires

[@johnfrench6144]

Its not inferior.. just had an absolute inferior driver!! So many times I'm seeing the renegade keeping with the wrangler , sure it hasn't the articulation but it's more capable than this guy showed it to be .. way more!!

[@dpajc056]

hahaha i LOVE how u guys called the Renegade a Fiat. hopefully it doesn't have Fiat reliability too. i bought the sport wrangler too because i feel like i get 95% of jeep experience with it and it's almost half the cost of Rubicon...

[@greygoose4x46]

Yea I bought a sport for my first wrangler and it got to the point where it was actually more cost effective to trade in my 2dr sport and buy a 4 dr rubicon ... The lockers, gears, transfer case and ability to sell off the stock rubicon tires for a grand pretty much right away makes it worth it if you're going to be running bigger tires and off-roading

[@greygoose4x46]

Plus not having to crawl under the jeep to connect/disconnect the sway bar in freezing temps or MUD it's just a great perk lol

[@joecasarez7062]

OutStanding! What a Lovely Rutted and Rocky Obstacle for a Head to Head comparison. Now all you need is the AEV Ram Prospector and the Ram Power Wagon? Nice Job TFL Truck!!!

[@DronieUp]

Great video guys! Nice drone shots!

[@bullboxer076]

dont forget a lot has to do with the driver and the tires. i have a 2015 JK 4 door and the most a Rubicon dose is make it easier with the lockers and the tires. and the air down is a good part of it too. i bet the Renegade could of made it farther if it was aired down and gave it a little bit more. What do you think??

[@TFLtruck]

+Boxerjawbone76 we could have aired it down until the bead popped and the results would have been the same.

[@justinhardt1]

Andre drives terrible off road. That's the problem here, not the Renegade. All of you guys are pretty bad off road, to be honest.

[@NickSharpe]

REALLY? I have gotten myself out of the same situ (steep loose rocky) in many 4x4 vehicles using deflate as a recovery method. If I wasn't too lazy, I woulda aired down to 12 before hitting the trail and not get stuck. So I just bought an ARB deflater - makes it easier. (new KO2s have a lot of print on the sidewall, somethin' to read while you sit there...) If you wanna prove your point to us doubters, then do airdown to recover the Fiat - if that doesnt work, at least you'll have the attempt on video, and a restored (tho minimal) faith in your vids. Most of us already know the Ruby can do that stuff and more.

[@mdingle11]

The Fast Lane Truck your comment here has made me lose faith in anything you guys say. airing down your tires makes a huge difference. especially when navigating rocky and sandy terrain. it provides a wider footprint and allows the tires to mold to the shape of the rocks and "grab" them as apposed to trying to drive on top of them. when my rig goes off road the tires go down to 10 psi without bead locks and I don't have a problem.

[@NickSharpe]

yes. that bit really bothered me. who the hell is gonna climb that trail if they dont air down? a dummy for sure. I stopped watching these guys because of that.

[@infidel24]

Andre should have chosen a cherokee trailhawk. Im curious as to how it would have done

[@andersnormansson3971]

Based on the other off-road vids posted on youtube, I recon the Trailhawk would have walked up this slope as easily as the Wrangler sport.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Maybe. The Cherokee TH has a little less clearance than the Wrangler, but has a full locker in the back, full skidplates, and slightly lower gearing than the Wrangler Sport. Once I find out where CH 2.0 is I intend to see if mine will make it up, my Cherokee made it up CH 1.0 with no problem.

[@NemeanLion-]

I think the Cherokee trailhawk would've been in between the sport and renegade. Cherokee doesn't have the same angles, large enough tires or mobility of the sport.

[@shkotayd9749]

Did you get a chance to do 2.0? Might drive through Colorado next summer, and take my 2017 KL TH. I keep thinking it cant do tough trails, and it keeps doing them. Did Hells Revenge in mine in April with rock sliders and improved tires. The only thing holding me back was inexperience at the time. I am learning to have a LOT more confidence in my KL. It just keeps delivering. I keep going where stock JKs go, and I can go many places where lifted Wranglers do lol.

[@TheMarlonsandifer]

Loving the new aerial drone footage

[@Dwealdric]

Hey guys, great video! Probably my favourite video so far. I really appreciate the no nonsense, no BS feel of this. All three vehicles are making the attempt, and there's no pussyfooting around the strengths and weaknesses of the bunch. I know I'm that guy in every damn Jeep video, but I do have a minor correction. The Renegade Trailhawk actually doesn't have "low range gearing" as stated in the video. When "4 low" is engaged, the electronic system merely locks the vehicle to first gear and locks the centre differential. The Trailhawk does have lower standard gearing than the other Renegade models, but "4 low" is not a true low range, nor does it have a transfer case. Keep up the good work, gentlemen.

[@tammymartinez7488]

As I hiker, I just need my renegade to get me to the trailhead. Then I’m set to hike!!!

[@AUSSIEGARAGE_YT]

The renegade should have made it up the trail, it is more driver error with Andre than the jeep, it has the electronic nannies to help not hurt the jeep, the driver must work around the system to get up loose gravely surfaces like the trail

[@TFLtruck]

+Craig Haynes FYI: that's completely wrong. The Jeep Renegade's terrain management cuts power when there's no traction and there's nothing any driver can do. We have thousands of miles of off-road experience in every off road vehicle made. How many Renegades have you taken off-road?

[@AUSSIEGARAGE_YT]

+The Fast Lane Truck I've never driven a renegade, however I do know that the driver makes the difference off road, I'm not saying that Andre can't drive, I'm saying that the right amount of throttle input and braking can make an open differential vehicle (such as the renegade trailhawk) perform very well through areas where it lifts tires, I myself wheel an open diff 1999 ram 1500, and although it has much more flex than the renegade does, i do tripod it and lift the wheels occasionally, and when I do I am able to drive through it with a little skill and the right amount of braking. the terrain management system in the renegade is designed so that if you are in that kind of situation it won't just spin the tire and risk breakage, however lighter throttle response (when Andre said that he was giving it the beans and the system was cutting power) would alleviate the system's actions making the manual skills of the driver more effective. I have wheeled vehicles with systems similar to that in the renegade and the driver cannot rely solely on the electronics to do the work for them.

[@johnbaker5751]

not a ghost of a chance that Renegade could make it, maybe you could argue it could have made it to the fork but after that no way

[@AUSSIEGARAGE_YT]

+John Baker well that is true, the renegade may not have made it past the fork but it still should have made it at least halfway up the trail

[@TFLtruck]

Thanks for the reply Craig. But both Roman and Andre tried to get the Jeep up the hill with no luck. We've encountered this problem before on the original Cliffhanger: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqPHk5KLi7mUaJI Modern cars are all drive and steer by wire. The driver has no direct input into the throttle or the steering. You can't game or fool the algorithm. The new systems are set-up to cut power to keep the vehicle from damaging itself. There's no amount of driver skill that can convince the computer to potential burn out the transmission or CVT in the case of the Subaru. Most people never encounter this issue because they don't test the vehicle in these type of situation, but that's our job. It would thoughtful of you to consider the amount of experience we have taking cars off-road. You are of course welcome to armchair the video but unless you've taken hundreds of vehicles off-road like we have it would be refreshing for you to acknowledge that we have valuable experience. Please be assured that we pushed as hard as possible to get the Jeep up the hill without damaging it.

[@masonmcglothlin5101]

Solid work with the drone footage!

[@TheEvolvingVirgo]

Confession: I woke up in the wee hours of the night and came across your channel. As a new Wrangler owner, I am ready to find hills, rocks and dirt. I've planned a cross country road trip for this summer. Cant wait to get this Jeep party started!❤🤣🤣

[@toolman9081]

The 11k difference can make that Sport far more capable than the Rubicon ever thought of being. 🙂

[@kalebsummerville4406]

toolman yeahp... quality lift, 4 link, regear w lockers, tires and beadlocks. For a jku that's about all you'll get for 11k besides maybe bumpers and fenders. Or you could get lucky like me and my wife and get the last year of the jku for a hell of a deal and still have money for a lift and tires.

[@mdocod]

Depends on whether you're calculating someones labor into the mix. 11K doesn't go very far at all to have someone else do the work, which is what the ruby delivers at OEM consistency/quality.

[@matthewg.garcia9415]

@@mdocod and it's all under warranty with the Rubi!

[@andrewmason9137]

Now take the Power Wagon and Raptor up it!

[@TFLtruck]

will do

[@123devinzz1]

will the mid size trucks make their way up there? prox4 vs z71 vs trd

[@jr15wa]

yeah thats the show..but keep the Rubicon there for the control on the day...wet dry or ?

[@Hunter_270]

I would love to see how a Grand Cherokee performs on that trail.

[@HighProStrategic]

great video. This is the only test video that actually has a difficult road, and has a vehicle fail to get up. I liked the video angles.

[@Cobb]

great video, loved the side by side comparison of the base and top trimmed wranglers and getting to see how capable the base trim is and how it stacked up to the hard rock. Shame the renegade got stuck though.

[@hotwheels100]

Not liking this one guys I don't think you gave the Trailhawk a fare chance TBH a different line and a little momentum would of seen better results ... sitting in one spot spinning the wheels is not where it's at, and you guys know it!

[@TFLtruck]

We tried and tried and tried to get the Renegade up the hill. If we had shown all the attempts it would have made the video boring and too long. Simply put the Renegade's electronic AWD terrain management system does not allow for much wheel spin. Once the Jeep loses traction it shuts down the power to the wheels unlike the Wrangler's mechanical system as you can see.

[@levitodd9245]

@@TFLtruck turn off the traction control??

[@Archangel1130]

I own the renegade trailhawk and short of throwing it up the hill it has a hard time sometimes. With 4low it turns off traction control. With enough speed you could get anything up that climb, but what does that prove.

[@Gabe_Pancake]

Joshua Cox I’ve found Sand mode with traction control and esc off will get through a lot. Engine won’t cut power to the wheels and lets them dig. Of coarse KO2’s help too.

[@Archangel1130]

@@Gabe_Pancake I bet KO2s help. I don't think many people know you can turn off the esc in 4hi.

[@aky19832001]

The 4runner had no problem going up.

[@akashpandiaraj4309]

aky19832001 even Lexus GX did not have

[@marve6969]

Wow! Great video guys!!! Keep up the good work!

[@htbud11]

I have a 2002 wrangler sport and I have been holding off trading until the diesel comes out. I debated on another sport but you just sold me on the Rubicon. Thanks for the videos. They help with decision making, and are fun to watch.

[@thelongdaysofwheeling124]

Pretty disappointed in the Renegade... but might have done a little better with better tires and better line selection. I think it could have made it up. Pretty impressed with the Sport... especially with those RSA street tires, the same ones on the Renegade. The Ruby.... well, it's a Ruby. There was no surprises there. All in all, a pretty good video guys.

[@kinggoten]

motor trend did a really impressive off road trip in the renegade got a few flats etc but it really impressed.

[@1guyin10]

Better tires will make a huge difference in the Renegade. With more aggressive rubber it has no problem with hills that it couldn't even start up with the factory tires. It will never be a Wrangler (you could never get as much ground clearance, articulation or fit large enough tires to match its bigger brother), but for a compact crossover it does rather well.

[@604h22a]

Why didn't they turn off the traction? it seemed like thats what holding it back

[@mrvwbug4423]

The Renegade would've done it with proper tires, airing down a bit and some momentum. Interested to see how a Cherokee TH would handle that, once I find out where it is I might take mine up there and find out.

[@thelongdaysofwheeling124]

Agreed.

[@whatsongisthis5691]

Did he accidentally honk at 1:58?

[@fullofmoochabeans6538]

I just bought a 2016 wrangler sport and they are amazing on road and off... So happy that made it up the mountain, was getting a little worried for a minute there...

[@jimjim0058]

I tried to take my Cherokee Trailhawk up this today and got most of the way up. The issue was that it rained earlier today, so the soil gave too easily causing my tires to dig in.

[@crashandburnbirner]

My jk has the limited slip in the rear end and 3.73 gears and it will go anywhere.

[@donaldweber7636]

Will it go underwater? Climb Everest? I know lots of trails it can't do.

[@mauiman52]

Totally agree. The LSD in the rear rocks. We upgraded to ARB Air Lockers and now only I realize what great job the LSD did to us unknowingly when driving with open diffs. Wouldn't miss though the ARB's when it get's tough and you just want to crawl over those obstacles.

[@crashandburnbirner]

Donald Weber Yeah ive brought it up everest before, took about an hour it was easy as shit.

[@crashandburnbirner]

True, but ARB's are out of my budget, i do want to get a gear driven limited slip and put it in the front.

[@KAREKINFPV]

This is kind of a joke, I've never had the power cut on my renegade TH, in rock mode it turns off traction control and I'm positive they could have gone much higher with a new line and a little momentum!

[@mjg6377]

Photog HT Agreed. He didn’t even try to back up a little and restart.

[@eda7875]

absolutely no way the renegade can do that. It is not designed for this. Off-roading on video tends to luck much easier than real life too. If you actually went there with your renegade you wouldn't risk your vehicle. It cannot compare to a Jeep wrangler. The jeep wrangler is a truck with a powerful engine.

[@Callediceman]

That dude with the glasses didnt throw down scissors against Roman, He threw down Freakin garden shears. Great vid guys!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Just filmed a trail guide on cliffhanger 2.0 with my buddy’s Cherokee KL. Surprised with how tough it was. Left side was definitely worse today and that’s the route we took. Nice view from the top tho!

[@averagespaceman1051]

I want to see the forerunner Trd pro take this on with its crawl control it should be interesting

[@mrvwbug4423]

It would do it, no problem. A rear locker alone is a night and day difference on stuff like this.

[@donaldweber7636]

Crawl control is for little girly sissys who can't drive.

[@averagespaceman1051]

Donald Weber that's your opinion and I'm not going to bash it but if you had it you would use it it's just a expensive upgrade

[@donaldweber7636]

Caleb Don't think so. I had a CJ with front and rear ARB's. Rarely used them, even on difficult trails. So when I built my Cherokee, I just put a limited slip in the back.

[@mrvwbug4423]

My Cherokee TH has crawl control as well, I've never used it and never felt any real need to use it. Hill decent control on the other hand is very nice.

[@mixflip]

Andre said the word "gun fight"....this video is getting demonetized!!!!

[@Doctoberfest]

mixflip I'm offended you said the G word. Reported for threats against life brb heading to an abortion clinic

[@dillonh321]

Guns are only second to the Bible.

[@andersonwade9963]

Great video guys really enjoyed it.

[@MRP78]

Well done and great shots too!

[@kadeanderson2979]

People think they can get through stuff cause it's in 4wd, well next thing you know it go through some mud in 4wd and get stuckm, WTF I thought i had it in four wheel drive, ok in order to really go off roading in a jeep or truck, you need lockers!!!!!! Other wise it's just one wheel spinning.

[@abassi1173]

Would have been good with the Cherokee Trailhawk instead of the Renegade 😂

[@weekendwarrior8179]

Glad you guys finally have a decent off road trail. I really like that review. I'd like to see the new tacoma vs possibly a 4 runner or out of its class like the ram pw or 1500. prefer pw. good video.

[@shuckan]

Great video guys!

[@JEEPIMPACT]

the tires are garbage, jeep should be ashamed of themselves for putting on such lame tires on a 4x4

[@OhYeaMista]

HARY 5150 Which truck? Soccer moms buy the renegade, of course they're putting sras on that. I agree they shouldn't be in the sport really though. The bfgs on the rubicon are awesome tires.

[@mrlooneycooney8948]

@2014 Sport Mountain Edition depends on where you live...I'd love to buy a Wrangler, but here in Belgium it starts at 45.500euros/51000usd. That's I guess where this Renegade fits well in the lineup for Jeep, the worldwide view for this model is awesome and bring alot more people towards the brand. Still many will prefer the Wrangler though, It's such an iconic model...

[@jeepjoseph9036]

Why be ashamed also some jks were rwd

[@jeepjoseph9036]

@nothing it's still a jeep. I bought my jeep cherokee because everyone has a bad ass wrangler and I wanted to be different

[@codybrackett812]

Ko2 bfg should be factory on sport wranglers

[@andyh5102]

that renegade couldve done it if you aired down the tires to 15 psi....

[@jayjayanthony5883]

And put a driver behind the wheel who understands the concept and use of proper momentum.

[@FlackerMan]

Nice mashup, I liked the trail and comparison. I would love to see you guys compare the new Cherokee against the old Cherokee and trail rated Liberty. Kind of show the evolution of that line of jeep

[@jmoranretana]

super cool video guys... do more of this.

[@willclements2779]

Jeep, please put a v8 in a wrangler 😓

[@landsurveyorNC]

for what? the v6 makes 300 HP and puts up faster 0-60 times than most tuner cars 😂

[@leadnsteel]

And a v6 ecodiesel. I want to use less gas not burn through it lol. Even the v6 only gets about 18-20 mpg. Most full size trucks can beat that now these days. Wouldn't even want to know how much a v8 would get

[@donaldweber7636]

Why would you want less power a lower fuel economy.

[@willclements2779]

+landsurveyorNC it actually makes 285. and it's slow as shit 😂I own one and the absolute fastest I've gotten one is 98.

[@Recovering_Californian]

For a Jeep that's plenty. No need for a v8.

[@dubzach6546]

air down!

[@Joshuastem5622]

Love this new series

[@cautiontext]

awesome video glad I got a Rubicon!

[@jakey20022]

the Goodyear tires are junk

[@mrvwbug4423]

I have no idea why Jeep put highway tires on the Renegade TH. The Cherokee TH runs Firestone Destination ATs that actually do really well off road.

[@TheOtherSean]

Chances are 99% of the people buying the Renegate TH are NEVER going off road with it. I regularly see (sadly) soccer moms driving them.

[@AdmiralRustyShackleford]

That's what they are, soccer mom cars, same with every other stupid car-based crossover. They're useless, leave off road to real SUV's like the Wrangler, even that base Sport model wiped the floor with the "off road" Renegade and it used the same tires. I've taken my old 4Runner, an Xterra and my Suburban up muddier hills than this, none of which had off road tires and they didn't have any sort of trouble, and the Suburban isn't built for off road at all, the 4WD is meant for bad weather.

[@mattchristiani]

It says it right on the side of the tire "GOOD for about a YEAR". Total garbage at any price.

[@mdingle11]

I only run goodyear duratracs on my plow truck and they're the best things going for an all around street/mud/snow tire for the price.

[@joestein7722]

wrangler sa are the worst tires made

[@andymckane7271]

Nice driving by all three of you guys. Tommy is extremely impressive with his handling of a Wrangler. I've got to wonder how old he was when he started driving? He does far better than I did when I was his age (or even five years older). Suffice it to say, he'd bury me off-road at my present age (70). Great job all three of you!

[@doctube2020]

Bad@$$! Nice job. Great job filming! Keep up the good work!

[@patsgarage8593]

The Renegade just shows that those electric nannies on all newer vehicles r absolute garbage!!!

[@Dwealdric]

True low range and an engine with some damn power, and it would be a sweet/super capable little run around. On the flip side of the coin, check out some videos of the Land Rover LR4. Most of its capability is based on electronics, and like you I was super sceptical due to the failures of other brands. The LR4 blows me away with what it can do. Land Rover is the only company to get off road electronics completely right.

[@mrvwbug4423]

The Cherokee is night and day vs the Renegade. But the Cherokee has significantly more power, a real low range, actual all-terrain tires and a real locker in the rear.

[@tradersato]

Put the same tires on all three and factor out that part.. Or else you are comparing apples to plums!

[@pdgable]

True.

[@endocry]

No, they're comparing stock vehicles.

[@davesmith5092]

Can't fit tires that large on a Renegade I don't think.

[@xxijoseaixx224]

great location!, wish you could test most of the suv/trucks you already tested in gold mine hill in this new trail!

[@simonInternational]

Now thats a real men trail, you guys impress me, i love your show

[@flightrulez]

Jeep renegade = ugliest jeep ever made.

[@caleb3273]

This video compared the Jeep's very well, especially when the Rubicon flew over that obstacle the sport struggled with. Thanks !

[@alanburleigh7696]

One of the key features that I did not hear mentioned was the difference in transfer cases between the Sport and Rubicon. That has almost as much as a factor as the lockers.

[@RobinAlexanderRobz]

Nice work guys

[@JD-mv8tl]

Great video fellas

[@williamhart6062]

Ever heard of airing DOWN? Around here, on the narrow trails of TN, my open diff '99 Cherokee goes most of where I wish to go. All because I learned the wonders of airing down to 18-20 psi. Cushions the ride a bit, and allows the tires to do their job of getting traction on those rocks and loose dirt.

[@johnbaker5751]

good comparison, really enjoyed this video

[@tjc20]

That hill looks like a blast. Wish we had one in Orlando. 😭

[@jeffreyriggs1911]

well I almost rolled out of the dealership in a 2016 JKU Rubicon mostly loaded - same blue as that rubicon. Wife just said she didnt need the lockers, etc as she is not going rock crawling. So we ended up getting the JKU Sahara fully loaded. Been on the beach and not a bad rig so far. For insane stuff ill just take my 78 k20 on 40's and detroits out...

[@Thiccpoptart]

WOW BEST CONTENT EVER I COULD WATCH

[@jeeper5264]

great video...more off road stuff please

[@Rare_Steak]

Cool new tests. It will be very interesting to see how other new vehicles do. I am glad that they used a Jeep Rubicon as the benchmark for such a rocky test. My one pointer... air down the tires. That's not the kind of wheeling you want to be doing at full pressure because if you puncture a tire you are a long ways from a level surface to change said tire. Airing down will help protect the tire and improves traction tremendously. It looked at though the little Renegade Trail Hawk would have made it to the top if the tires had been dropped to around 15-20 psi.