Job Offer Deadline - It's Okay to Push

[@aabaab1975]

So...The recruiter kept reminding me that her boss only give her 24hrs but I still pushed for more time from 24 hours and I got 72 hours. Then, the offer letter came and after trying to negotiate the salary, the offer got rescinded.

[@aabaab1975]

What are your thoughts on this, Jeff?

[@jeffhsipepi]

AAB Hello, CONGRATS!! You dodged a bullet, any hiring manager that is this inflexible would have been a nightmare to work for, imagine all the on the job scenarios where this could show up. You would have been miserable. You did the right thing. Asking for two additional days and asking to negotiate are your rights as a prospective employee. This hiring manager and this company essentially said, you don't have those rights. This attitude of my way or the highway is awful. Follow up questions: • At any point during the process did they say the compensation was non-negotiable? • When you asked for more time, how did they react? • How did they rescind the offer when you tried to negotiate, did they call you or email you? • When they rescinded the offer, did they tell you why? • Did you ever have an opportunity to speak with the hiring manager? If you feel more comfortable, you can email me directly at [e-mail].

[@aabaab1975]

@@jeffhsipepi : • At any point during the process did they say the compensation was non-negotiable? - They gave the offer basically said that's the highest but I said I needed more time to discuss it with my family. FYI, the salary offered was higher than the industry average based on my research. Maybe I shouldn't have negotiated. • When you asked for more time, how did they react? - First thing they said was that they can give me 72 hours but their boss only gives 24 hrs. I said no, I need more time. • How did they rescind the offer when you tried to negotiate, did they call you or email you? - Email but I follow up with a phone call. • When they rescinded the offer, did they tell you why? - Our needs do not align anymore. When I called, they said that my start date is not what they are looking for but didn't offer room for alternatives. • Did you ever have an opportunity to speak with the hiring manager? - I spoke to the hiring manager once during the interview, never heard from he/she again and he/she has never responded to my email. If you feel more comfortable, you can email me directly at jeff@@t. I am sharing this as a learning experience for everyone. Jeff, you have helped me throughout this interview process. I watched all your videos/ did exercises in 24 hrs prior to my interview.

[@jeffhsipepi]

@@aabaab1975, thank you so much for sharing your story. The fact that this organization was so inflexible demonstrates a lack of sophistication and understanding for how hiring works , you didn't do anything wrong. I truly feel like this will work out better for you in the long run although it may not feel that way right now.

[@iaskalbert3891]

Aab They are inflexible. Good you asked and glad it didnt work out. I got 10 days and they were respectsble to extend even beyond that

[@mokdadus]

Great piece of coaching! Thank you 🙏. I just subscribed.

[@jeffhsipepi]

@mokdadus, I am so glad you found this video helpful!

[@hmcwinters]

Another amazingly solid video. I recommend your channel to anyone I know transitioning jobs in tech.

[@jeffhsipepi]

hmcwinters, thanks for the positive feedback! It is greatly appreciated!

[@alfiemarie]

Hi Jeff. Thank you so much for this. This helps a lot :)

[@jeffhsipepi]

Alfie, thanks! I know this video does not have a lot of views, but I do think there is a lot of confusion around this step, glad it helped you!

[@alfiemarie]

Jeff H Sipe it helped me so much 😍😍

[@jeffhsipepi]

@@alfiemarie Amazing, so the video was worth it!!

[@makaiokalahama]

Is it better to accept an offer on the line then withdraw from it if something else crops up that is better shortly after? Or tell them you have other applications you would like to hear back from before making any decision? I'm stepping into the "corporate" civilian sector for the first time as prior military & have no idea how to navigate this stuff. It all seems very slimy car salesman like... like the expectation to make monumental decisions in short notice and being derided if you instead want to weigh all options. Makes no sense to me.

[@jeffhsipepi]

Makaio, it is never ideal to burn a bridge, but sometimes it happens. You ideally want to work with companies on the timeline, but things don't/won't always align.

[@4444-r8t]

Thank you! Haven background! Awesome.

[@王一飞-y6q]

Another great video! I recommend your channel to anyone I know

[@jeffhsipepi]

@user-pq7hx9vo3p, thank you so much for sharing!!

[@tongju4464]

Should I tell the current place that I will have another interview on the way to let them give me more time to postpone the deadline? By the way, thank you very much for your other videos for job hunting!

[@jeffhsipepi]

Tong, yes, definitely let them know you another interview. And tell the company that you are interviewing with that you have an offer in hand!

[@pincher2410]

Hi Jeff, thanks for sharing! I am exactly going through this process and I have an offer already and will have a catch up call with the recruiter next week. I want to be thoughtful about my big career decision, because it involves relocation and I am also having my final interviews with Google next week. Would you say, if I am telling the recruiter to give me more time and after 2 weeks I will give them a decision. Do you think it's " too much time" if I ask for two weeks thinking time?

[@jeffhsipepi]

Pin Cher, I just did a video on this item, check it out - kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4acpHp6i8etfNU

[@pincher2410]

@@jeffhsipepi thank you ☺️

[@alokmishra8841]

Is extending joining date for two weeks fine ... ?

[@jeffhsipepi]

Alok, it should not be a challenge, just clearly communicate the reasons why with your Point of Contact.

[@michaelambrose]

This is almost every recruiters advice on the internet and I don’t get it. Why not just accept the offer if it’s something you like and then withdraw it if something else comes up. Recruiters always act as if people can’t freely leave jobs

[@jeffhsipepi]

Michael, thank you for providing your perspective. So many factors go into making a decision when accepting a job offer from family considerations, competing offers, etc. And it is extremely important that candidates that are receiving offers do not feel pressured to make a decision without having the appropriate amount of time to think through an important life decision. In addition, it is rarely to the Recruiter's benefit to have a candidate delay their decision, the Recruiter typically wants an answer right away because that helps them move forward, whatever the candidate's decision might be.

[@1anre]

Damn! Another banger video from Jeff. I like the fact that you touched on paying attention to the size & stage the company’s at when coming up with a salary figure you’d like to request from the company; A startup might not give you a fat salary cheque like other established corporates, but it’s in the details of the other benefits & stock options that you can make up for that shortfall in salary amount - that’s especially if you really want to change your current job, or really like what that startup is doing and want to move over, compared to say - a Big Corp where the salary might be fat & all other side earnings & benefits, might not be on the same level as those of the startups. Please I’d like to ask, in the case where the salary information for that role isn’t on Glassdoor/Salary.com, & you still haven’t been able to connect with an employee within the organization either or LinkedIn or elsewhere, and the Recruitment Negotiations’ team keep pressing you to give them a figure - particularly in a Startup that’s received funding, but they still refuses to give you an offer letter in writing first before hearing how much you want them to pay you, how do you play it safe & not over/underprice yourself at that stage when they claim they’re the final decision maker & it’s only when you give them a figure would the negotiation process proper begin?

[@jeffhsipepi]

Lanre, the best piece of advice I can give you, set the anchor high. Your initial number should be high, it's easier to go down than go up! The best resource at least for tech salaries is www.levels.fyi/ and if you want more negotiation advice watch the first two videos in this playlist - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoCspYGuhNpjmNU

[@1anre]

@@jeffhsipepi thanks a bunch Jeff, I’d navigate this as you’ve suggested & check out those links too.