Jeffrey Herlings on Racing Eli Tomac, Facing Injuries & Future with KTM!

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Jeffery Herlings is often referred to as the fastest man alive. He is a 5x MXGP World Champion and rarely does interviews. I was fortunate enough to film a young Herlings at the McGrath ranch way back in 2013 but we haven't had any contact since then. From just that one shoot though I always knew Jeffery would make a hell of a podcast if we were ever able to make it happen and today is the day.
Jeff is not afraid to speak his mind and is honest not just about his strengths but also his weaknesses. We talk about sand, his relationship with Eli Tomac, his future plans and much more.
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00:00:00 Intro
00:00:21 Where we met
00:04:29 Viral video of riding rm85
00:07:51 Growing up riding sand tracks
00:12:41 10 secs a lap faster than Todd Waters
00:13:40 Treat Lommel as a supercross track
00:16:42 Laughing at Ryan Villopoto riding Lommel
00:19:01 Retired legends still in the industry
00:21:34 2nd moto at Lommel GP
00:23:34 How to go fast in sand
00:26:46 USA vs Euro riders
00:32:27 Too much electronics in motocross?
00:36:55 2022 Outdoors Discussion
00:40:41 Jason Anderson Style
00:43:17 Ken Roczen Relationship
00:50:51 Coming back from multiple injuries
01:01:58 Tim Gajser got gifted?
01:04:09 I trained TOO MUCH
01:13:36 Jeffrey's work ethic
01:19:21 Beating Tony Cairoli
01:23:03 2018 MXGP Season
01:25:18 MXGP GOAT
01:29:51 Having a gnarly ego
01:37:22 Jason Lawrence return to racing
01:46:11 Dealing with the media
01:57:43 Relating to Eli Tomac
02:02:37 2021 Mantova MXGP
02:05:18 Eli Tomac vs Jeffrey Herlings 1v1
02:16:56 The problem with MXGP
02:33:58 KTM for LIFE?
02:46:38 Passion for real-estate
02:48:46 Is riding still FUN for you?
02:56:58 Outro

Пікірлер: 193
@MchooChoo2
@MchooChoo2 2 жыл бұрын
Herlings favorite track. Tomacs favorite track. Then a random track they both don’t know, would be class !
@drewjonespdx
@drewjonespdx 2 жыл бұрын
yuss
@pranramsamooj8187
@pranramsamooj8187 2 жыл бұрын
Add some serious prize money. Donate it all to charity. Loser buys the beers.
@scottpowell5878
@scottpowell5878 2 жыл бұрын
I think herlings wins he'd hang it out more
@sauce1232
@sauce1232 Жыл бұрын
That would be useless. If one of them makes a slight mistake the race is over. You can compare racers after a large sample of races...
@Carsonktm420
@Carsonktm420 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the uk’s hardest sand track, Tain north Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@tootallterry727
@tootallterry727 2 жыл бұрын
This man “I broke my collarbone so I was out 10 days”
@motokev2727
@motokev2727 Жыл бұрын
I started watching MXGP a few years ago. Saw this guy blasting through the turns at hurricane speeds. Now I'm a fan, plus my heritage is Netherlands.
@pierrepreaseau378
@pierrepreaseau378 2 жыл бұрын
Herlings is brilliant. What an honest and bright guy. I'm a fan now
@gypsytalespodcast9369
@gypsytalespodcast9369 2 жыл бұрын
That's my goal with these things
@Iridekawi131
@Iridekawi131 2 жыл бұрын
this podcast is moto history. GYPSY GANG!
@juanpablohinestrosa7929
@juanpablohinestrosa7929 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best episode of all time! Jeffrey's knowledge of the sport is next level and his ability to go beyond himself clearly makes him one of the top sportsman in the world.
@DigitalDesigns1
@DigitalDesigns1 2 жыл бұрын
Man I never heard Herlins talk before. He is a super cool dude. He talks good about everyone and dont talk crap about other riders mad respect....... I wish he would race in America it would be epic to see him mix it up with all the guys.. I'm a new fan of him for sure..
@188ours
@188ours Жыл бұрын
he already went did ama race in 2017
@malachi589
@malachi589 Жыл бұрын
He did, he smoked everyone 1 and 1. First race battled with Tomac and gapped him. Second race came back from 2nd to last after a crash and won. Americans dont talk about it.
@dontbeoffended486
@dontbeoffended486 Жыл бұрын
@@malachi589 IRONMAN!!!🤘
@kaakster1
@kaakster1 Жыл бұрын
I am dutch to, saw jeffrey a lot of times up close, the man is just a ghost, he can make that bike do things you just cant wrap your mind around it, mad respect to this man, fore me the best dirtbike rider ever, and not because i am dutch to, just because i know howe Hard it is to do the things he does, breathtaking.
@stephentibbetts3522
@stephentibbetts3522 2 жыл бұрын
Herlings is so tapped into everything in Moto. You can tell this dude has consumed as much moto content as possible. Awesome interview!
@codyhader3295
@codyhader3295 Жыл бұрын
"I broke my collar bone, I was out for like 10 days." Dude is an animal 😂
@zacharyradford5552
@zacharyradford5552 8 ай бұрын
Happens more often than you think.
@itsp
@itsp 2 жыл бұрын
Herlings has got to be the realest guy, hands down.
@kaakster1
@kaakster1 Жыл бұрын
He can be, because he knows howe good is, he doesnt need the talk, Just put him on the track and he makes the laptimes do the talking.
@tamwalker3431
@tamwalker3431 2 жыл бұрын
Dungey is going to have Vietnam flashbacks when Jason Lawrence is back on the track with him
@neilr4867
@neilr4867 2 жыл бұрын
What a cool guy. You can tell he just loves the sport, his knowledge is next level
@gypsytalespodcast9369
@gypsytalespodcast9369 2 жыл бұрын
just an info nerd like the rest of us
@Flexyhead
@Flexyhead Жыл бұрын
Herlings has been underated for the good bloke he is for a long time. Dont judge a book by its cover. Thanks for bringing this to us, cheers
@fafh716
@fafh716 2 жыл бұрын
I already loved Herlings, but this interview changed my perspective on him. He is so aware of himself and everything around. He calls everything so 💯. Even if it’s negative towards himself. Those who have no self-awareness won’t get it. Dude stays healthy, he’s the champ. He knows it. He, Tomac, and Gajser are my favorite riders today. So different but all so similar in a lot of ways. Amazing work as usual bro fuckin banger.
@robinbridgewater2126
@robinbridgewater2126 Жыл бұрын
What a great interview. Just look at the comments to understand just how much Herlings is admired and respected....
@Bigjonphillips
@Bigjonphillips 2 жыл бұрын
This was a gem! I had no clue herlings was this cool! Definitely a bigger fan of his after this. Good shit!
@Tj-nr9jh
@Tj-nr9jh Жыл бұрын
Never be another Bullet84 one of a kind glad ive been able to watch him send it to another level! 2023 GP champ
@JohnHowerton137
@JohnHowerton137 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in sand. I was the Herlings in the hood… I could smoke anyone in sand, but 100% sucked ass on anything hardpack because I had ZERO throttle control. You learn how to pin it all the time and you get crazy riding fit! Now I almost never get to ride sand and totally suck when I do! Miss it so much 😭 I hammered huge sand whoop sections for 4 gals of 32:1 and loved it.
@Dave-kh3il
@Dave-kh3il Жыл бұрын
Love this. No BS from JH, and definitely showed Jace respect and seemed to really enjoy the interview for someone who clearly hates interviews. Hated to see it end. Huge fan of the show, now a huge Herlings fan. Well done!
@LeeeRoyyyHD
@LeeeRoyyyHD 2 жыл бұрын
great podcast, Herlings mentality is on another level. & his moto knowledge is next level aswell.
@spodyr6
@spodyr6 7 ай бұрын
Always Liked the Bullet but after watching this interview I have doubled my respect for him. An amazing rider who is still down to earth and sincere.
@gavingraybeal
@gavingraybeal 2 жыл бұрын
#1 Gypsy pod so far, need to see Herlings in the US
@gypsytalespodcast9369
@gypsytalespodcast9369 2 жыл бұрын
Yew thanks mate!
@anthonyrogers9076
@anthonyrogers9076 2 жыл бұрын
Get Tomac and Herlings together just to talk even that would be sick.
@grahamcox8385
@grahamcox8385 Жыл бұрын
Tomac can't compete with herlings
@anthonyrogers9076
@anthonyrogers9076 Жыл бұрын
@@grahamcox8385 sure Jan
@grahamcox8385
@grahamcox8385 Жыл бұрын
That's why herlings beat him twice outdoors and came from way back in the field to beat tomac twice in 1 day, tomac really kept up with herlings on that day, not 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@anthonyrogers9076
@anthonyrogers9076 Жыл бұрын
Whatever helps you sleep at night
@grahamcox8385
@grahamcox8385 Жыл бұрын
Truth hurts doesn't it, results speak for themselves,it's OK to cry because he lost miserably to herlings, say what you want but herlings won and tomac didn't, be a sore loser all you like 😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂
@pranramsamooj8187
@pranramsamooj8187 2 жыл бұрын
Really cool to see what J.H. is like in chill mode with two bits of financial philosophy thrown in as a bonus. 1: Concentrate on the processes that help you attain your goals (quoted from Atomic Habits) 2: Be the best at what you do (whatever service you offer that adds value to people's lives) and the money will follow you.
@mrjacktraeger
@mrjacktraeger Жыл бұрын
😢
@CODDAWGZ
@CODDAWGZ Жыл бұрын
I was in Europe most of 2021 and went to OSS and Lommel I really only new of the American circuits but seeing Herlings (the bullet) ride ws unbelievable to see He got jumped on in the fist few corners and I believe he had a cracked shoulder blade from it...and still won the race! as for Lommel... That track is waist deep trenches!
@Ramons187
@Ramons187 2 жыл бұрын
So awesome that you got him on the show! Really cool to just kick back and enjoy yalls conversations. Even down here in Texas me and my son are big fans!
@gawdszn302
@gawdszn302 2 жыл бұрын
js7 thinks highly of both tomac & herlings & to hear him say he & roczen are both so fast they crashed & missed championships bc of that but at the same time we love guys who give it 100%
@lenev19
@lenev19 2 жыл бұрын
Gooood job, Gipsy, good job man! The best ever episode. You have much respect from Jeffrey and entire moto community, no doubt! Greetings from Bulgaria.
@tacoenvy
@tacoenvy 2 жыл бұрын
This was amazing cause he doesn't like doing crazy interviews and podcast, besides the MX Vice ones, which are always good. So this is really special. Thank you for getting him on here.
@taybiljam
@taybiljam 2 жыл бұрын
Man I Swear Gypsy Looked star struck through out whole interview 😂😂 I prob wld of been same. Best interview on this pod for sure I enjoyed it alot👌💪👊👍🏽
@hickytricky44
@hickytricky44 4 ай бұрын
What a cool guy. Good to hear his ideas
@rickrossi4468
@rickrossi4468 2 жыл бұрын
Great podcast. Jeffery is very well spoken. Enjoyed it the entire time! The ET3 Herlings race thing is so cool. I'm sure there will be alot of interest. Thanks Jase.
@RJC10101
@RJC10101 2 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey seems like a great guy. Very knowledgeable and a master of his craft. Can’t wait to see him back in MXGP next year. Does seem like he’s yearning to ride the US outdoors though which would be great to see.
@paultselembis4255
@paultselembis4255 2 жыл бұрын
And just to add..herlings sounds like a mad dog for sure...another legend..never really followed him as im American following but live in Australia and never jumped on board with many euros..but definitely a fan of herls now👍👍
@CoachRobbBeams
@CoachRobbBeams 2 жыл бұрын
2 absolute legends. I cant' wait to listen to this. Thanks boys.
@leadhead7338
@leadhead7338 2 жыл бұрын
Jase, Herlings is clearly so knowledgable about all Motocross, and you can see when he asks you if you watched the final MXGP race, and you said no...I could litterally see him think WHAT!!! you can read it all over him that he was surprised and dissapointed that you didnt watch it.
@mt_freeriding9977
@mt_freeriding9977 2 жыл бұрын
Love the pod! Always have the best guests!
@grahamcox8385
@grahamcox8385 Жыл бұрын
Cool interview with Jeffrey herlings, the doohan interview is one of my favourite ones and this video is truly awesome too, keep up the marvellous work and keep riding your mx bike dude, you are gonna get faster on your bike man, peace and joy to ya cool fellow 👊😊🏍️
@Moto5Online
@Moto5Online 2 жыл бұрын
Southwick is the perfect track for that battle. Any Monday after a weekend of amateur races the track is hammered. We need this to happen at Southwick💯🤙🏻 let’s goo
@marcusavalos5830
@marcusavalos5830 2 жыл бұрын
Moto gold! Legendary interview
@wd840mxhighlights
@wd840mxhighlights 2 жыл бұрын
Great Stuff.
@user-bx1vo8dz4z
@user-bx1vo8dz4z 2 жыл бұрын
Idea for the Tomac v Herlings race - Do 3 totally different tracks - ex: Lommel, Red Bud, and Glen Helen (or some hard-packed French or Italian track). That way you have sand, medium, and a harder packed track to really figure out who is the fastest man on the planet in any condition.
@sauce1232
@sauce1232 Жыл бұрын
That would be useless. If one of them makes a slight mistake the race is over. You can compare racers after a large sample of races...
@Rickmaki
@Rickmaki Жыл бұрын
Great questions !!!!
@leadhead7338
@leadhead7338 2 жыл бұрын
Your the Man Jase, im a life long Motocross fan, and love what you do to promote the sport, I always wanted to race my 2002 Troy Yamaha YZ125 replica, it was my favorite bike, even though im a Team Green fan, But now im grown and my 12 year old boy races his new 2022 KX85, in 2 North East states, and loves it hes 12 now so been racing for 2 years now, and he's getting good, but he also goes to Jimmy Wienerts Moto Acadamy in North Carolina in the winters, also know as Crystal Cove, where Cooper Webb trained growing up, he's just learning but he wants it and is learning fast, and were so proud of him!
@ravebrown3696
@ravebrown3696 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute awesome show 🤘🏻🤘🏻
@wealradyknowwhois
@wealradyknowwhois 2 жыл бұрын
If Jeffrey would of know who won Irish 250 2stroke championship in 1998 I would not be surprised after listening this interview.
@gypsytalespodcast9369
@gypsytalespodcast9369 2 жыл бұрын
HAHAH!
@BUTTERY-APEX
@BUTTERY-APEX Жыл бұрын
If I get recommended another Herlings video imma yell lmao
@jamesbatey598
@jamesbatey598 2 жыл бұрын
What a cool guy would love to see him race in America was so excited when I heard he was coming here to race. Then he couldn’t come because of his hell or foot
@5thgearpinnedmedia93
@5thgearpinnedmedia93 Жыл бұрын
An rm fantasy/mxperts for outdoors would be huge for the sport in general to make outdoors more popular/having ppl invested and just plain great for the sport outdoors doesn't get near enough love for what the riders have to go though and train for its our grass roots make mx great again
@loicstibling
@loicstibling 2 жыл бұрын
Top interviews, herrings is cool and smart I appreciate it much more !
@jk-kc6vo
@jk-kc6vo 2 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey has very very good knowledge of the sport and his attitude is bold 😂
@ripleyshakespeare4937
@ripleyshakespeare4937 2 жыл бұрын
So awesome love these legends
@paultselembis4255
@paultselembis4255 2 жыл бұрын
And at the end u could tell by herlings reaction he was sort of curious to see how people would react to this podcast and how following and it may effect him..well i listened to second and now a herlings fan..jase u put out the best shit i listened to all your stuff!!
@uncoant4750
@uncoant4750 2 жыл бұрын
Surely a serendipitous collision of lordship should result in the 100k sub cherry being pumped.
@rickvonderchek6898
@rickvonderchek6898 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked Herlings now after this he’s the coolest rider I’m a bigger fan now . Talks like a real working person in my book 👍
@PontyP
@PontyP 2 жыл бұрын
Jase been trying to find a way to message you somewhere like Twitter ot whatever, I’m not on Insta which seems to be the place I could but I hope you see this, I watch all sorts of podcast in every genre and I have my select few that I just can’t wait for, and just congratulations on getting the athletes on your channel that you do. Your the absolute man, love your insight on being a daily rider/mma enthusiast. It’s just class and makes my day
@gawdszn302
@gawdszn302 2 жыл бұрын
great interview man we need tomac now lol
@isosleeze
@isosleeze 2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME!!
@djdnz39
@djdnz39 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview. Would have been nice to hear his thoughts on how Cairoli's races in the US went... it's pretty clear he wishes he could get the shot at the US outdoor full season. Still hope we see that one day. Too bad looks like Eli may be bowing out of them for '23.
@LeeeRoyyyHD
@LeeeRoyyyHD 2 жыл бұрын
finally full video's. a can start watching now haaaaa cheerss
@ryanlorance6168
@ryanlorance6168 2 жыл бұрын
The full pod’s are always on this channel, the clips of the full pod’s are on his main channel.
@JohnHowerton137
@JohnHowerton137 2 жыл бұрын
Stoked for this one. Too bad he didn’t get to come over for Nationals. Of course we got Dungey instead… and bigger picture I’m happy about that. Haha
@balisongtutorial7156
@balisongtutorial7156 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody cares. Stop acting like you’re a bad ass. Here in the US you would be a mid pack C rider.
@marcdecoste9127
@marcdecoste9127 9 ай бұрын
Im a year late but men that was the best show you done so far loved it. 🤟
@dbentley9931
@dbentley9931 2 жыл бұрын
SPRINTER VAN! I had a Ford REDBUD conversion van!
@livefreeandshred9818
@livefreeandshred9818 2 жыл бұрын
This makes me like herlings a lot more
@DigitalDesigns1
@DigitalDesigns1 2 жыл бұрын
mxgp bikes are more advanced than US models. why don't they talk about that. Tomacs bike is not as good as the GP bikes. In America they use a stock frames in GP they use better tech. AC is struggling with it right now he mentions it in his interview. If they race it must be Ama approved bikes. Not AMA vs GP bike
@Cri3m3r_89
@Cri3m3r_89 2 жыл бұрын
why not put tomac on a GP bike if they are so much better?
@husky450cr2
@husky450cr2 2 жыл бұрын
He is the most intelligent and coolest Mx rider in the world!!! And a fastest!!!
@astreet339
@astreet339 2 жыл бұрын
So much good shit in this interview
@jakkphillips9977
@jakkphillips9977 2 жыл бұрын
What a G!!!
@484motos
@484motos 2 жыл бұрын
Herlings💯no BS 🤙KTM#1🔥🔥
@danhirtle9279
@danhirtle9279 2 жыл бұрын
Hope Jeffery watches "his people" closely with his investments. Ask Brad lackey how his real estate ventures went after he retired. The problem is when he's still racing, he only has to deal with one Giuseppe Luongo. Once he's a businessman, there are millions of Luongos out there.
@chrisvillarreal2752
@chrisvillarreal2752 Жыл бұрын
Herlings is the fuckin man! Love this guy!
@rylandday2273
@rylandday2273 2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this one
@kevinholder2825
@kevinholder2825 2 жыл бұрын
Great podcast
@kevinholder2825
@kevinholder2825 2 жыл бұрын
Get cooper webb
@taybiljam
@taybiljam 2 жыл бұрын
Herlings is a gun and I'd pay money to watch that race between him and tomac one on one southwick Monday rough azz track how frikin cool wld that be
@sauce1232
@sauce1232 Жыл бұрын
That would be useless. If one of them makes a slight mistake the race is over. You can compare racers after a large sample of races...
@danhirtle9279
@danhirtle9279 2 жыл бұрын
At 1:38:30 the video Herlings is referring to is by Cooksey Media "8 riders who wasted their talent". Maybe RV will show up too just to ghost ride his bike into JLaw during practice...just like old times.
@Paganiproductions84
@Paganiproductions84 Жыл бұрын
i have seen him in action of couple of times in the Netherlands
@dbentley9931
@dbentley9931 2 жыл бұрын
Energy running grand prixs you can pull energy riding from behind watching the line!
@dbentley9931
@dbentley9931 2 жыл бұрын
The situation with economics people want money and to be paid well. The perks left holiday dinners the giving back from companies it's about moral and spirit! The passion
@kevinbodman1011
@kevinbodman1011 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't Cooper Webb smoke Hurlings straight up?
@slimbrady6691
@slimbrady6691 2 жыл бұрын
Yea back when they ran 250s. Coop was actually an outdoor beast on a 250. It just didn't translate to 450s for some reason.
@neilr4867
@neilr4867 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Herlings was getting a bit big for the bike at that stage... he was giving away about 20kg
@lenev19
@lenev19 2 жыл бұрын
Man, this is not relevant. One race is nothing. Take a big picture. Even they make 1 vs 1 with Ely, again, one race is nothing to proove. This is for us, for show.
@zsoltrolinek9554
@zsoltrolinek9554 Жыл бұрын
If the Southwick thing comes up, let me know I have contacts!
@brianbabernitch279
@brianbabernitch279 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview and I’m thorough impressed by his moto knowledge about other riders, especially in the US.
@gypsytalespodcast9369
@gypsytalespodcast9369 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he's a student of the game
@dbentley9931
@dbentley9931 2 жыл бұрын
In race cars it's a scale like the first big jump triple quad or other
@elibracke3045
@elibracke3045 Жыл бұрын
It seems like the sound is a bit delayed in the headphones right? Maybe i would be a bit nicer for the guests and just for conversation purposes if that gets fixed a bit. Love this tho! ❤
@dbentley9931
@dbentley9931 2 жыл бұрын
Track Walks! Imagine a golf course with rolls of carpet!
@danialdunson
@danialdunson 2 жыл бұрын
have you ever shared your audio setup? what audio interface are you using?
@dbentley9931
@dbentley9931 2 жыл бұрын
The next Stewart! Timeline
@richardclarke1068
@richardclarke1068 2 жыл бұрын
Would Yamaha let him do this race? Sounds like a awesome showdown
@bradridesbikes2
@bradridesbikes2 2 жыл бұрын
Herlings needs to race the entire outdoor season.
@Moto5Online
@Moto5Online 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yea
@NicoSchweinzer
@NicoSchweinzer 5 ай бұрын
Can we have another edition? It's time 🙂🥰
@Davinhomx
@Davinhomx 2 жыл бұрын
Roczen aged 12 on a 250 two stroke is the crazies sh ever. Everyone that has never seen this can't make statements about his career. Herlings is absolutely right. Young roczen was the fastest ever
@NickyP902
@NickyP902 11 ай бұрын
Wish herlings would do a full ama season
@1276Tim
@1276Tim 2 жыл бұрын
This was fuckin awesome, jlaw next !
@MrJustListeningMusic
@MrJustListeningMusic 2 жыл бұрын
How could you miss talking about the time he tried salvaging his world title with a broken femur?
@gypsytalespodcast9369
@gypsytalespodcast9369 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like its a story he has told already ha
@dannnyw111
@dannnyw111 2 жыл бұрын
gypsey for the mx president, excellent idea for the q1, q2 idea, pointless quali races they are boring! please get in touch with infront to do something, your the guy who has huge balls and on the right platform :D
@taekwondfighter
@taekwondfighter 2 жыл бұрын
If kenny wouldnt have the big injury back 2017 it would be a three way battle with kenny eli and jeffrey. Great Interview from fan Perspective they have to enter the qualifying and all that stuff
@tylersowden1328
@tylersowden1328 2 жыл бұрын
Not being funny but one race still don’t justify who’s the quickest this needs a best out 3 herlings chosen one track tomac chooses one track then the public decide the 3rd then you got who’s faster you can’t base that of a 35 min Moto due to bad bays best day #84 tho. By far best pod cast I’ve watch too
@Quasi-stellar_object
@Quasi-stellar_object 2 жыл бұрын
I would pay to see Herlings vs Tomac 1 on 1 racing.
@rickvonderchek6898
@rickvonderchek6898 2 жыл бұрын
They should do away with qualifying for supercross and go for timed practice to a lot of riders would not get injured as much
@dbentley9931
@dbentley9931 2 жыл бұрын
Silver Lake sand dunes! Mile long 456' deep no gaps to spacing like the FINKE
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