Jehovah's Witness vs. Christian Pastor

Watch and share this important conversation between Pastors Jeff Durbin and Claudie Ramirez and a Jehovah's Witness in Kauai. Apologia Church has planted a church on the island and Apologia is engaged in active evangelism to reach the cults. Our team was out and ran into a group of Jehovah's Witnesses who were set up at a farmer's market. This is the video.
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[@darryvietmeier6347]

In 2016 I was new to recovery and happened to run across a Jeff Durbin video on abortion on KZbin very enlightening I've been following him ever since today I'll attend my first service at the church in Mesa looking forward to it

[@jehovahtruekingdom823]

I do not represent JW. In Isaiah day Jesus did not acquire Mighty God, Eternal Father and the others. Notice carefully (WILL BE CALL, Witch mean future). (1) He will be call which mean future (Mighty God, not almightily God) (2) He will be call which mean future (eternal father) when the mightily God father human at resurrection to eternal life. (3) There are many mighty gods but one almighty God. Mighty and almighty are Gods differ in power. (Use a dictionary. (4)What does Immanuel mean? God is with us. Jesus is a God John 1:1 two Gods mentioned there. Satan is a god, 2 Corinthians 4:4 Exodus 4: 16 and 7:1 Mose was a God. (4)What does Immanuel mean? God is with us which mean the mightily god will be with us. It can also mean the almightily is with us by mean of the mightily God. See link below to get a better understanding of how God and father are use in the bible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGrQmmmGm9Kfe7s kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6q8laafp7honNU

[@colonalklink14]

Another gospel.

[@richardmell299]

Matthew 17:5 He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” Luke 1:35 Before Jesus' birth, the angel Gabriel tells Mary that her child will be called the Son of God. In Matthew 3:13-17, Jesus goes to John the Baptist at the Jordan River to be baptized. John initially resists, but Jesus insists that his baptism is meant to fulfill all righteousness. After Jesus is baptized, he emerges from the water and sees the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon him. A voice from heaven then says, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased".

[@b-man1232]

No yelling. No screaming. No cursing. No interrupting. No talking-over. Amazing conversation!!

[@leahjames6870]

That's how it's suppose to be😇

[@BSZ75]

Leah James very true

[@rollmops3113]

I have to say, although I haven't been a jehovahs witness for twenty years now, I can still say that most are like this, even in their private lives. Of course there are exceptions, but generally a nice bunch of people! Just sad that they are misguided by their leaders.

[@jbraz8]

Imagine, liberals had this trait, oh wait then there would be no liberals..

[@NattyBeGood]

Durbin can get very condescending when things don't go his way. He'll come out with sexist names and labels, particularly of women when they don't believe what he teaches. Sad, because he seems a really nice guy on the outside.

[@francescocosentini9264]

The Greatest Man in history is Jesus. He had no servants, yet they called Him Master. He had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. He had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today, He had no wife, yet He's the Bridegroom, I love you Jesus with all my heart, mind, strength and soul..

[@francescocosentini9264]

@love Truth AMEN

[@archieliburd4327]

1 John 4 v 12 to 15 and 1 John5 v 5.

[@steveparriman2846]

Amen

[@coolartps]

So true. That's awesome

[@talosq7982]

✝️=💩

[@reckgomez5765]

How beautiful when two Adults have a civilized discussion about different beliefs...!!!

[@robinmartz5066]

I don't agree with you. I've had conversations with Mormans and they always try to convince you you're wrong. They are civil, but they work very hard at proving their RELIGION is right and all other people are going to hell. A man of the TRUE god like pastor isn't trying to tell this guy he's wrong. The Morman Bible has added "scripture" and they call it God's word. They added it. Revelation says if any man adds to the Word of God, He will ad unto him the plagues of the earth. So....

[@rickbird373]

Reck Gomez I don’t Know Who more blinded you or the Jehovah witness

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

oriasj it is a shame that Christians can’t share the true gospel with these cults.We have to study who Jesus is . If you download on youtube The real Jesus and listen carefully then this will be a great help to all true Christians. We need to be like Jeff and be able to share the real Jesus.When God brings people to your door then you need to be able to share the true Jesus. I teach people to be able to share the true Jesus to these cults and get them set free.I have seen many been set free

[@LOVE-JC777]

99 % of times Jws say, we have to get going, when can we come? I always invited them back , but they Never again show up! Isn’t that deception and lying 🤥?

[@jaquino451]

@@robinmartz5066 as a Mormon you are lying through your teeth. No Mormon missionaries would ever tell you, your going to hell if you don't convert to latter day saints. That kind of teaching id prohibited by the Mormon church I can tell yoy that right now. So you are a liar since most Mormons do not believe in a hell although they believe in a lucifer.

[@mightymouseandlittlemouse2332]

This is a beautiful and humble conversation. No confrontation. No arguing. It is two men sharing their beliefs in a very civil and kind manner. What an example for others. Amazingly respectful discussion.

[@JesseNewton-iw6gh]

Jehovah's witnesses do not argue they just discuss

[@agentbertmacklin9880]

@@JesseNewton-iw6ghfruitage of the tree and yet they call the tree bad

[@SammyDelarosa-ep3ig]

​@@agentbertmacklin9880wdym

[@jennieharrington9002]

Man. I pray for the knowledge and ability to articulate my conversation as well as this fine disciple

[@johnbee1069]

Which one are you referring to lol

[@nsr5961]

JohnBee Jeff is an apostate. He’s filming because he’s seeking fame. He wants followers and be praised. But what he teaches people are nothing but lies. He’s the clear example of Satan making things “appear” as truth when they are not. The Bible does not support the trinity doctrine. This teachings derives from ancient Babylon where they worshipped triads of trinities. But the Bible is firm in what it teaches about one God.

[@veronicaclark6097]

Amen

[@veronicaclark6097]

@@nsr5961 amen.

[@superjam18]

@@nsr5961 which is why oneness apostolic pentecostals have the truth about God

[@kiasky1]

Although , I don’t believe in the JW faith. I can respect how peaceful this meeting was.

[@shaunnaidoo8811]

These christians cant agree. Very cordial. 300 years ago they were murdering each other for jesus lol

[@busterthefrenchbulldog5951]

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in violence but in the past it was bloody disagreements in Christendom. True.

[@florinaschilean6143]

@@busterthefrenchbulldog5951 I know that they suffered in WW 2 because of their stance against war.

[@kennethperry7782]

@@shaunnaidoo8811 they are not both christians people think if you wear a cross of carry a bible they are christians but that is not so try questioning them and see what they believe

[@Didida8BP]

@@shaunnaidoo8811 no christian would murder for Jesus according to this: " They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you *will think that he doeth God service. "* John 16:2

[@smom25]

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but by Him. (John 14:6)

[@Patmosentertainment]

Doesn't that prove he's not God, since Jesus says that the Father is God and there is one God?

[@Patmosentertainment]

John 6:27

[@plannerjoy]

Exactly! This one verse overturns all the reasoning by Jeff that Jesus is the Father.

[@Patmosentertainment]

Oh okay, cool. It's just sometimes people use that to try and justify the trinity. I know, I don't get it either.

[@joselitoyuson7733]

see? we all go to the Father and Jesus is the way.

[@alephyod8871]

it's nice to see how two people with different beliefs converse and exchange ideas without the need of arrogance and rudeness. let us respect one another regardless of our beliefs in life. ❤

[@razztazz1982]

I could listen to them speak all day. Leading people to truth is a beautiful thing. Keep up the great work guys.

[@auntiebc1544]

Are you a witness? I noticed the flag in your profile pic so was just curious.

[@razztazz1982]

@@auntiebc1544 I don't associate with any religious organization regarding my spiritual beliefs. And my profile pic has an American Flag on the back of a pickup truck, just a country themed pic that I like.

[@auntiebc1544]

@@razztazz1982 I was just curious. Your comment was very respectful. Its not everyday people say that, so I thought maybe you were one of Jehovahs Witnesses, but then when I saw the flag it just had me curious . Its nice to read a nice comment like yours.😊

[@razztazz1982]

@@auntiebc1544 Thank you for the compliment, it was kind of you.

[@KKplsy2222]

We must seek truth through Scripture and prayers and not that of men. Through scripture many infer that Jesus is God and God is Jesus however, they NEVER stated such. That’s what God says to study to show YOURSELVES approved, otherwise we will believe anything. Yah is the Father, He has His Holly Spirit and the Son Yeshua. Same as a King hands His authority over to his son, the prince. Yeshua/ Jesus is Lord and Master but never started that he was God. Who spoke from Heaven when he was baptized by John. Was he being a ventriloquist? No, see although the Apologetics gentleman is very knowledgeable, he is preaching a doctrine of man.

[@flipside2947]

I noticed that Bible memory verse is very crucial.

[@frederikchopin20]

same

[@chat133]

Something I'm guilty of. I love the reading the Bible but sometimes I get bored , with reading in general. My mind wonders

[@fallofshadows2209]

Especially when talking to JW's. While you're busy searching for a verse, they've gone ahead and quoted to you three more from memory.

[@08453300222]

me three. after your me too. Trinity is greater than our physical universe. Negative and positive, up down etc

[@lancelove9700]

helps prove you dont have alsheimers...but if i did...respect me!

[@michaelchipwende931]

this is great. The Jehovahs witness is welcome to receive what the Christian is sharing. he is open. lovely conversation

[@michaelchipwende931]

So because you don't celebrate A Holiday makes you a Christian?

[@michaelchipwende931]

your argument is flawed... whosoever regardeth a day let him regard it unto the Lord. I celebrate Christmas not because I am worshiping a demon but because its the day I regard as the savior was born. see the difference?. Do you know that satanist sing amazing grace when performing their sacrifices?; does that mean we should stop singing Amazing grace in church?, I don't think so

[@michaelchipwende931]

So cerebrating a day would become sin if you direct do it and with the intent to worship a demon or anything related.

[@michaelchipwende931]

according to John 1 vs 11 to 15, it tell us how you can become true Christian: and there is nothing about celebrating holidays in there

[@michaelchipwende931]

You believe in yourself to be saved. read the whole books of Romans snd John. You will see there is no working for the gift of eternal life

[@simonrgalesg]

This jw was so cool and reasonable

[@jaroldinho3923]

Most are :)

[@auntiebc1544]

@@jaroldinho3923 agreed

[@totafea8]

I wish oooh i wish people could do this calm no interruptions no insults, ty for this

[@maj6895]

Jehovah's witnessess never insult anyone. You don't get such religious unity anywhere. When they are wrong there wrong. Ofcause theyre mostly right.

[@simonrgalesg]

@@maj6895 😊😊😊😊

[@lukehumphrey7517]

@@maj6895 I certainly don't mean any disrespect toward you, but I have certainly been insulted when having discussions with Jehovah's witnesses.

[@maj6895]

@@lukehumphrey7517 sorry Luke for your experience. I am not apologizing on behalf of another human being, but how we perceive the world in different parts of the world even at same grocery shop will never be the same. My experience with JW was always good. Maybe because I grew up very close to the religion.

[@lumanate1493]

This camera guy on a trampoline?

[@Jozef_Kazola]

Haha pretty far away, so zoomed in, all the movement is a lot more dramatic looking

[@robertfox1975]

Lol

[@TragedysHalo]

Yes. Standard evangelization practices

[@djelalniyazi4090]

Ha Ha

[@timspann6270]

LUMA NATE no , I think he is on a skateboard

[@antoinettegabrielle3991]

Man, I'm always so impressed with Jeff's quick knowledge of scriptural references. This is how street evangelism should be.

[@obadiah7771]

Antoinette Gabrielle he always very gentle and kind as well.

[@georgelopez8653]

obadiah7771 I appreciate Jeff's kindness, but his assertions are absurd and misleading.

[@sourcedrop7624]

It's too bad all those scriptures he is so easily quoting were forged by Emperor Titus Flavius in order to subjugate the rebellious Jews to Rome. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foSTiIZ7qtSoqac Jesus is just a fabrication used by Titus and Flavius Josephus to trick the Jews into Emperor worship since they refused to worship him directly. The link is to a documentary looking into the findings of several PhD researchers into this matter. Create your own destiny, don't let lumberjacksexuals, like this Jeff dude, soothesay you into the Christian cult.

[@sourcedrop7624]

tim spangler you're an atheist?

[@sourcedrop7624]

tim spangler I cant help you since you're godless. I can only help the godly.

[@zanethulsie9702]

jeff spreading false gospel and misleading people. The Bible says that Jesus is the Son of God. may God have mercy on him

[@xmarxdspot]

I was raised JW and by God's grace I have been saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone! Jesus + nothing = everything!

[@wacerahchege8]

xmarxdspot glory be to our risen Lord Jesus Christ.

[@dawnb7972]

God bless you, my brother through Christ.

[@peat381low8]

You know the Father is still the only true God. And God knows your struggle in that organization, but I wish you the best. I am a Biblical Unitarian and there are many former JW'S who turn to isolation. But there is a group in the U.S.

[@peat381low8]

Henry Santiago you should look at what kind of man athanasius was. He came up with, or enforced the "the son is of the same essance of the Father". If you search, many scholars, although there are very few who will admit this, will tell you that Athanasius abused, tortured, kidnapped his opponents in Alexandrite Egypt. Now you may say, "yes, but that was in the past. We do not hurt people now". But you believe in a violent man's creed. All christians are forced to believe in this, if a church ever even mentions this. You need to see what does Jesus say. John 20:31 says that the accounts of Jesus' miracles was so"that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God. Amazing. Is the writer forgetting that his account was also written so that we may believe that Jesus is God, God the son? The sputter never mentioned jesus as God. The intention is different. It's the son of God the writer wrote. All of John was written to prove to all that Jesus is the son of God. Not God the son.

[@peat381low8]

So are you saying you are okay with a man like Athanasius? A man who tortured and kidnapped his opponents and came up with this doctrine of Jesus being in the "Same essence"? I would really like to know your take on Athanasius. He is the one whose creed every church member, pastor, minister, future pastor must bow down to. Do you bow down to the doctrine of what Athanasius put foreword?

[@bridgetazaz]

I like how Jeff let him talk uninterrupted for quite a while.

[@stinkfinger719]

The bible says be quick to lisen and slow to speak. Jeff is talking how all Christians should. :)

[@bazcat8184]

I'm not trolling, no need to get shirty

[@johnbrown2163]

Jesus would be so proud of you... Debating this mans beliefs while down the street is sickness and corruption yet lifts no finger or aims no gun. A worthless organism you're.

[@johnbrown2163]

tim spangler What? Can you please repeat the question... I didn't know how to respond .

[@bowrudder899]

Ellington Dart Why should they be studying a man instead of the Bible?

[@bikashpariyar1748]

God is Jehovah and my savior is Jesus without Jesus we are dead and I believe Jesus is son of God

[@candlewax2735]

American Standard Version:" Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah...." ( Deuteronomy 6: 4)

[@SmalltimR]

Congratulations on seeing the truth as it was written - not many people do

[@greatgatsby5360]

and yet Jesus isnt your mediator. look up tue defintion of mediator cultlady

[@jimjuri6490]

Jesus surely couldn't have assisted God in his own creation, could he. The word 'other' is inserted to make sense. Even Paul uses that logic. 1 Corinthians 15:27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ONE (ie. God) WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM (ie. Jesus). 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. If God subjected ALL THINGS literally to Jesus, then God too would be subject to Jesus. That was why Paul added a statement of logic to help readers. Jesus is SUBJECT to God and will be for all eternity along with all intelligent creation. (vs 28) People secretly filming JWs without their consent, then posting an edited version on YT shows that someone has no clue about Christianity. BTW there are no pastors or priests in Jesus' Christian arrangement (Matthew 23:8-10).

[@deadeyeridge]

Glad to see how you guys handle this. Very calmly, with understanding and no condemnation.

[@kylebraby2357]

daniel hartness in this video there is no verbal condemnation but the belief of Calvinism is that this Jehovah’s Witness no matter how good a man he is will not be saved and is doomed to hell... that is what Calvinism believes... so sad- Calvinism is not Christlike love

[@ricoparadiso]

@@kylebraby2357 Do you understand the basis of the Christian faith? Regardless of how “good” (None is good but the Father in Heaven) this man is it doesnt change the fact we have sin unaccounted for. This is not based on a certain belief like Calvinism but a fact of life in light of Gods Law that is just & holy. To deny Christs divinity is to deny His worthy sacrifice to atone for our sin, it is to deny Christs own words that He & the Father are one, that when you look upon Jesus you look upon the Father, that He is the visible image of the invisible God. Jesus stated multiple times taht if you reject Him you in turn reject the Father, when the Pharisees rebuked Jesus in the name of God Jesus said if they knew God the Father they would know Him but they didnt, same with Jehovahs witness, same with Muslims. I see the same verses used from each to discredit Jesus’ divinity deducing Him to be seen as just man, but then how can He be our redeemer if He has sin like the rest of us? Their faith is filled with contradiction stemmed from a misunderstanding of the being of God & the necessity of the payment of sin, the just retribution according to Gods Law.

[@hermannealjr1741]

Jehovah's people must have the truth. . .ALL other religions want to cross examine us, trying to prove us wrong. For a change. . .walk up to the Baptist, the Catholics. . .oh wait a minute. . . they're not out in the ministry as Jesus commanded (Matt 28:19,20).

[@pi9745]

Jws take (Matt 28:19,20) out of context and (Luke 10:7) clearly states not to transfer from house to house. Jehovah's people have a long history of spreading false information and end time dates like 1914 and 1975 ect.... As well as harmful policies they inforce like when they didn't allow there members to receive organ transplants or blood fractions but reversed it decades later only after countless lives have been lost. Jesus told his disciples All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me after he was raised from the dead. So he was king Long before 1914 and is Our mediator and should ask him for guidance and not men but as Jws like you're self... he isn't you're mediator, the Watchtower says he's only mediator for the faithful and discreet slave class even tho (1 Timothy 2:5) says otherwise

[@pi9745]

It's up to Christians as individuals to decide how they go about spreading the message. Nothing wrong with preaching to family members and friends but transferring from house to house to discuss the word of God to random strangers was never a Comandment or even encouraged. JW's pray to jehovah but Don't have a Mediator as I stated earlier, only the anointed have direct communication with Jesus as they claim even tho the sheep who aren't of the heavenly class still end prayers with... " in Jesus name Amen" Which is pointless and futile if you don't acknowledge and recognize Jesus as you're go between. The government body members are trying to replace Jesus and use themselves as a substitute... hence, why they say you need to join Our religion in order to gain salvation and Have a relationship with God and Jesus. If you can't see the blasphemy in that teaching your either delusional or can't comprehend information properly

[@justnate9739]

Hey Jeff I wanna hear you speak with muslims

[@bowrudder899]

Yeah, they need to hear the gospel too!

[@bowrudder899]

AP You put the "awesome" in Awesome Possum. But it's Opossum, dude. ;-)

[@awesomepossum5745]

bowrudder Oh well lol, good way to rhyme!

[@bowrudder899]

There's a sleepy Muslim, right on cue! ;-)

[@bowrudder899]

Abdullah Jesus did die, was buried, and rose again, just like he said he would. And he is God, just like he claimed. And he is the Messiah across the board; there isn't one Messiah for the Jews, and one for everyone else. But before we go any further, I need to know if you are a real Muslim. Do you follow the Sunna of Mohammed?

[@abdielbarraza6193]

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18

[@fernandovazquez580]

That was beautiful brother teaching somebody about the truth without preaching hate. God bless you, Jesus taught us to Love not hate. Very impressed my brother Shalom!

[@thymendeelstra8858]

The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force.

[@candlewax2735]

@@thymendeelstra8858 The Jews have always taught that Holy Spirit is God's active force and not a person belonging to a Tri( for the Latin 3 ) nity. They view the Trinity as Polytheistic and pinpoint, it to the Roman Emperor Constantine 325AD, who wanted to unify his Empire. This was after the Romans slaughtered the early Christians in the Roman arenas, when the oppressives wolves entered in among them. ( Acts 20: 9 )

[@frankxyz3346]

The JW dont have the truth. They are demonstrably false teachers and prophets and this is easily illustrated one by one. On the false prophet side, their record is published and such false prophecies are in print. There are 150 year of false predictions and flip flopping doctrines. To submit that they have a brotherhood is also a demonstrable falsehood. They have elites and strata that belie that claim. Elders on down to rank and file unbaptized publishers. Its structured like the soviet system. Top down authoritarianism is in no way equal to the relationship among brothers/sisters. Try writing a letter critical about an elder and sending it to the ones who appointed him at JW headquarters. You will see soon enough who is in charge and what the price is to be paid one brother talking to another. As to the idea the holy spirit is not a person. One argument used by JW is the holy spirit was poured out at pentecost....a person cant be poured out. Yet they dont make the same argument about Jesus who is said to have been emptied out his heavenly vessel to become flesh Phi 2:7. Paul also used the analogy of a drink offering and that he would soon be poured out like one. Phi 2:17 and 1 Tim 4:6

[@felipemartinez-qs5sh]

Who is The One who glorified and resurrected Jesus? ACTS 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. 14 Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, 15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God RAISED HIM UP from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses. Who is the God and Father of Jesus? JOHN 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’

[@frankxyz3346]

@@felipemartinez-qs5sh John 2: 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said He could have easily said his father would raise him up and there would have been no murmuring or seeking to kill him. But rather the text is plain and is no contradiction to your verses, while the opposite is not the case. Since you are possibly well schooled by the false prophets at Watch Tower can you explain these 2 things. In John Jesus clearly says to his disciples that they can not have eternal life unless they drink his blood and eat his flesh. Yet at annual memorial of JW, millions who profess to follow Jesus are intimidated by false leaders to not partake of the symbols of his flesh and blood at what amounts to be a black mass. Next in 1 Cor 15 what sorts of beliefs does the context surrounding vs 33 show is the “bad association” for Christians to avoid? Its often used by JW to keep young witnesses from joining sports teams and others from getting good jobs. Paul isnt dealing with corporal issues, but rather beliefs that JW hold that was subverting his teachings to the contrary about resurrection....go read it I dare you. Lastly a 3rd for desert. When approached by Jews who had heard of his miracles, they ask him to perform a “sign” for them and they would believe. You know what Jesus said to them if you are familiar with scripture or a JW (pun intended)...he called them a wicked and adulterous generation “that keeps seeking a sign”....so then what does that say about Jesus if 2000 years later when he “invisibly returns” and selects as his one and only “true followers” a group of people who only believe on him due to the appearance of so called “sign seeking” that his return in power is imminent. How does that make sense? And yet you know in your heart that if the Watchtower removed their emphasis on world events as signaling his “coming” most witnesses would beg off in a heart beat. Not all, but most. Now aside from making Jesus a hypocrite what does that belief say about the motive of most JWs?

[@pamalvarado1563]

Finally a pastor and Jw that could speak calmly and have a great conversation. As an ex Jw that was in for over 25 years, Finally an easy to understand explination the trinity. I was blown away by the calm EXPLANATION modalism and how that explained. Absolutely changed my views and got me to understand what happened and how the belief of Jesus as seperate from the Father was a fight in the 2nd cent. I loved that! I have been searching for 9 years to resolve that one conflict in my mind and now I have peace over that issue. Thank you for being so knowledgeable. I feel God sent me to that post.

[@gabby1472]

I wish you would do less Mormon vids and more jw vids. Thanks for your ministry amd sharing what you do!

[@kylebraby2357]

gabby Mormon vids get those views and make that money though! And that’s what it is really about... pretty obvious by his channel

[@DougWarner25]

Kyle Braby Mormons are just as damned as JW

[@felipemartinez-qs5sh]

Who is The One who glorified and resurrected Jesus? ACTS 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. 14 Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, 15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God RAISED HIM UP from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses. Who is the God and Father of Jesus? JOHN 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’

[@jtlbb2]

@Kyle Braby really ignorant comment with absolutely no evidence to back it up. It’s pretty obvious why Jeff focuses more on Mormons. First off, there are 16 million Mormons worldwide vs 8 million JWs. Then the biggest reason, Jeff lives in Phoenix where they have one of the largest population of Mormons outside of Utah. It’s that simple. It’s nothing sinister or about making money.

[@kimberlyr5858]

@@jtlbb2 Exactly

[@jonasaras]

Camera work by Ray Charles

[@DanielO-100]

Hahaha too funny.

[@Vitalbowhunting]

Dude, that made my day. Hahaha

[@jimkuhn3500]

😁To funny

[@JoshuaBudd]

He was trying to not be seen I'm guessing

[@tonytorres8908]

Why is the camera man hiding. Lol

[@YuGiOhDuelChannel]

Excellent job in that conversation, you handled it so well, and you never let it get inflammatory.

[@flipside2947]

YuGiOhDuelChannel I didn't notice that until you mentioned it, I'll keep that in mind for future reference. 👍

[@TheJpgr1958]

H T. II: Is Jesus then a true god or a false god?

[@YuGiOhDuelChannel]

@ H T. II Your ridiculous, if Christ is not the Eternal God then His atonement is insufficient for our sins, our sins are against an Eternal God and a "created being" is not sufficient to cover them, just as a spotless lamb was never fully sufficient to cover the sins of Israel. Also, you cannot explain the characteristics of God if there is only the Father before all things created, you cannot be loving by yourself, you cannot be social by yourself, you cannot be caring by yourself. Give me a break the Bible and God's characteristics fall apart without the doctrine of the Trinity.

[@TheJpgr1958]

H T. II: Oh I see. So would you consider yourself a monotheist?

[@TheJpgr1958]

H T. II: I read the article from your link. My comment for you is the following: If you cannot say, “Jesus is precious to me,” I do not care to what Church you belong, or what creed you are ready to die for, you do not know the truth of God unless the person of Christ is dear to you.

[@tannersmith2000]

I would like to see more JW encounters. Thanks

[@JB-ky9vm]

Tanner Smith I can help you out with that. Have an encounter personally. What question do you have good sir? Thanks.

[@JB-ky9vm]

Jeremiah Tassinari this is merely Jesus stating he was alive before Abraham, even before the world was created. Read Hebrews 1. Answer me this. If the Father and the Son are one and they are equal upon the Sons return to Heaven, that is, Jesus Christ’s return, how is it in this scripture, the Son subjects himself to the One, the Father? Also, the Father subjected all things to the Son, but when He says “all things” this doesn’t include the Father. How can one be subjected to the other if they are both God? How can one be subjected to the other, if they are equal? 1 Corinthians 15: 25 For he (Jesus) must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One (God, the Father) who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to the Father, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

[@JB-ky9vm]

tim spangler if it is “crud” maybe you can answer my previous post. Thanks. God Bless.

[@skyronwarren292]

J B Wow

[@JB-ky9vm]

Broadcast HEAVENLY care to explain my line of questioning above? How about this. The Bible States God is immortal Definition of immortal: living forever; NEVER dying or decaying 1 Timothy 6:15 He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen Habakkuk 1:12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah?O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. You are essentially calling God a liar if you say He came down and died for our sins. You are saying God isn’t immortal. The Bible doesn’t say God can only be immoral while in heaven and when he came down in human form then he can die. The Bible says God is immortal, period. Now if you are saying God IS immortal and Jesus is God, you would be calling Jesus a liar and saying there was no resurrection nor did Jesus die for our sins. Wow.

[@joetiger2979]

Mr. Cedric here is a nice and respectable man. I appreciate his candor and honesty.

[@brookesmith5913]

What’s up joe!

[@CovenantBlackwatch09]

He asks where the Bible says that Jesus would resurrect Himself. John 10:17-18, "For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” "I have authority to take it up again!"

[@CovenantBlackwatch09]

@LSmoove 79 You're right about God giving Jesus the power. I'd like to make a distinction here. I think we should be careful not to pit the Son rising by His own authority against the Father raising Him by His power. As the Word of God, who does not lie, Scripture cannot contradict itself. Therefore, it seems to me that John 10:17-18, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:38-40, and Ephesians 1:20 all affirm that while Christ had the authority to rise, the power came from God working in Him His great might. The Son having the authority and the Father supplying Him the power are not contrary ideas. Resurrection power to counteract death in His body clearly comes from the Father. But the Son has authority because He, as God, is perfectly righteous and holy. The wages of sin is death, but He had no sin, so it was impossible for death to hold Him (Acts 2:24). His holiness and His righteousness make Him worthy of life because He is the Author of Life, and only sinners deserve death.

[@truthanon8443]

@LSmoove 79 John 10:30 I and the Father are one John 8:58 Before Abraham was I am (Jesus speaking) John 1:1 The word was God

[@AJoyofDesign]

The meaning of John 10:18 www.bibleref.com/John/10/John-10-18.html

[@A-Academy-1]

What of Acts 2:32. "God resurrected this Jesus". Verse 24. "God resurrected him by releasing him from the pnags of death". And many more.. There is lots to believe that Trinity is actually a mystery not directly supported in the Bible no matter how much meaning you read into some statements.

[@jchillinnnnn]

@@A-Academy-1 And there are lots that support the Trinity. God referred to himself many times in plural pronouns. And in Hebrews 1:8 Jesus is referred to as God. 1 John 5:20 also calls the Son God. 1 Corinthians 3:16 refers to the Spirit as God so does Acts 5:3-4. What this shows is subordination. The Holy Spirit is subordinate to Jesus and God. And Jesus is subordinate to God. Take for example a manager and an employee. The employee is subordinate to the manager but does that mean you’re suddenly not human because you are subordinate? It’s the same with the Trinity. They all have different roles but are still God. Of course it doesn’t make sense to us, as we are human. We will never be able to explain God so we will try to come up with what we can explain. However, the scripture does teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God.

[@bethsycaro6384]

It’s one thing to know scriptures by heart and another to understand them.

[@johnbee1069]

Indeed. Then again, isn't it everyone who believes they understand the scriptures? I mean, just look at the trinitarians...

[@abbyxg5596]

JohnBee not necessarily

[@likasite]

That is why we pray, ask God for wisdom, and use The Inductive Bible Study method (for example) and "investigate" the scripture within the context. You learn and understand soo much! :)

[@johnnyhinton3138]

This is 1 time.i would have like to see pastor gino jennings here teaching with these Gentlemen.

[@stac123100]

And God is the God of the living, and Satan that of the dead. Serve, therefore, the living God, that the eternal movement of life may sustain you, and that you may escape the eternal stillness of death. Work, therefore, without ceasing, to build the kingdom of God, lest you be cast into the kingdom of Satan. For eternal joy abounds in the living kingdom of God, but still sorrow darkens the kingdom of death of Satan. Be, therefore, true Sons of your Earthly Mother and of your Heavenly Father, that you fall not as slaves of Satan. And your Earthly Mother and Heavenly Father will send you their angels to teach, to love, and to serve you. And their angels will write the commandments of God in your head, in your heart, and in your hands, that you may know, feel, and do God's commandments.

[@kgmediaco]

So what's this about then? Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

[@massmayhem9909]

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[@craigime]

What about it?

[@FNAFEDITS17]

Johnathan Parra ...it means that ...jehovah approved of his son...and it also means that jesus is not God...

[@craigime]

coraline jones why do you say that Jesus is not God?

[@FNAFEDITS17]

craigime ...in john 14:28 jesus here is saying...that his father is greater than him.and when jesus prayed he prayed to his father who is in the heavens in Matthew6:9 jesus teaches us how to pray to God...so how can jesus be God,if he always prayed?..he most certainly wasn't praying to himself..

[@klarag7059]

Brilliantly done! Holy Spirit lead for sure. All glory to God.

[@Krispy_Kringles]

Every Jehovah Witness I’ve witnessed to, I have to truly admit they know the word. They are very smart. I’ll go even further to say that they know the Bible more than not only most “Christians” but also saved ones. Yet this is a different gospel yet closely related. If your comfortable in your faith and have trusted in Christ alone for salvation I highly recommend talking to a Jehovah’s Witness you’ll get something out of it.

[@smalltimer4370]

@@thisisturok1084 Who is them? Who is they? When was the last time the spirit of the devil lead someone to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and in His name? When was the last time the devils voice spoke the divine name of GOD, and worship Him? What scriptures were denied? What errors were pointed out? What points did they ignore? What truth did they reject? What truth do they hate? What basic truths do you speak of? What false religions do you speak of? Who is clearly not of Christ? Which Apostles were Crystal clear? What Lord were they talking about? Why did you leave out the GOD and Father of all in your citation? Who said there is one more than one faith? What are false religions? Therefore and with that being said, the reason your comment is filled conjecture, is so very obvious... You are obsessed with your own-self, in-that everything you do and say, leads back to your own self. That is why people like you parade in public forums puffed-up with claims like; 'I am saved and you not!' - that said, and quite obviously, there is no truth in conjecture whatsoever, whereas those indulging in such behaviour, reveal themselves to not have the Holy Spirit at all, but rather, where they reveal themselves as children of the devil, masquerading as sheep, and in an-attempt to do Satan's bidding by harming those who would try to serve Him - case and point; _'we see you Satan - plain as day!'_

[@RandylSamson-ku9gq]

Father almighty is father of Jesus Christ.they are different jehova is father of Jesus Christ

[@alo2783]

Jehovah Witnesses are Christian’s, they follow the teachings of Jesus and God, Christianity is their religion and Jehovah Witnesses are one of the many denominations of Christianity, please stop hurting these people, they don’t deserve it. Do you think God would like to see division within the Christian denominations? No, that’s what the Devil wants. You need to let people believe in what is close in their heart if it has given them salvation and had a profound impact for them, let them be faithful in their beliefs if that is what saved them n helped them to have a better life, the Bible and God is all you need to have your own testimony it don’t matter what Christian congregation you attend. I’m sure anyone who own an iPhone would claim that iPhones are better than androids, while people who own a Samsung feel they have the better phone just as much as an iPhone person does, but at the end of the day, they both serve the same purpose. In saying that, I’m sure Catholics believe they have the the right beliefs just as much as Mormons believe they have the right beliefs, well both follow teaching in the Bible and any version of the Bible contains what is righteous because it’s Gods word. Anyone who applies the teachings of Bible to their daily life can be saved, and all Christian denominations teach us to do that and I think that’s all that matters, no need for the division when the world is in need of love today❤ all Christian denominations teach us to love like Jesus did. So let’s come together and not divide despite our different beliefs, at the end of the day we know that righteousness is what prospers. God knows what is in your heart no matter what typa Christian you are, you just have to know him. The Bible is a good, if not the best source for spiritual growth which is what’s so vital for a human. The world is increasingly moving away from spiritual things with the constant technological advancements of the material world but if we return to the essence of humans it is the spiritual self. All denominations teach you how to grow spiritually which is what should be most important otherwise if you’re not spiritually aware/ seeking you’re gonna be a become a slave to the world and be consumed by it like most people are today. In saying that, you cannot live for the world and live for God at the same time, the world is infiltrated by the Devil which is a low vibrational being. The world it is perishable while Gods kingdom is forever

[@larklane07]

We need WAY more of this!!!! Iron sharpens Iron

[@austinlaing9012]

This is funny hahaha! He gets asked simple questions (pastor) he has to use 10 dollar words when a 50 cent one will do. He does this to mislead. False teachings. Terrible. The Jehovahs withness guy makes a ton more sense.

[@rachell7508]

The Holy Spirit does talk! "The Spirit and the bride say 'come'." Rev 22:17

[@bigzack1011]

Also in Acts 13:2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, *:>the Holy Spirit said,

[@pretoshohmoofcguy6523]

Hey big zack. Good to hear from you.

[@bigzack1011]

Hi big guy, long time no hear from !!! Can we talk on Skype ?

[@mauriceperez1479]

Wow amen!!

[@chopppacalamari]

Listen again to what he said he is saying the Holy Spirit speaks but that force doesn't speak

[@djduvall84]

I shared with this SAME GUY (Cedric) a couple months ago while in Kauai, for over an hour. Pulled out all the same arguments with me. Praise God as he allows many faithful believers to speak truth to him. Praying for salvation for this man.

[@franchescamarcelle1819]

I believe god is sending believers to this man to lead him out of error. I pray the scales will be removed fron eyes.

[@ep1421]

A guy gives up his time to teach underprivileged kids. He starts teaching 1+1=7 and "dog" is spelt D-A-W-G. Will you also question if he is corrected because he gave up his time and energy? The time and energy does not matter if the content and therefore the end product is wrong

[@busterthefrenchbulldog5951]

@Derek D Where is one required to believe in the trinity for salvation? Scripture please.

[@ololady05]

@@busterthefrenchbulldog5951 1 John 4:15, Mark 2:2.8, John 13:31, 1 John 4:2-3, Romans 6:23, John 9:37, Matthew 16:24-28

[@NickHawaii]

Snappy Girls Good scripture but no trinity necessary. We must believe Jesus is the Son of the Living God. The Bible never requires us to believe in a triplex God for salvation.

[@RasheemH]

Man, watching these kind of dialogues always makes me feel so inadequate with my scripture knowledge. I need to step my game up! Good stuff Pastor Jeff!

[@busterthefrenchbulldog5951]

I appreciate your humility. Keep testing all things. My conclusion is Jehovah is always the God of Jesus. That is what the Bible truly teaches.

[@CyborgGerbil]

I truly admire how Jeff is always calm and respectful, and he always let’s the other person speak more. This man was raised well, and has the love of God in him.

[@smalltimer4370]

And yet, and in spite of this, he does not walk in the truth of GOD... We can learn from such examples, in-that people are not defined by their outward appearances, as it is GOD Himself who leads Jesus sheep to Him; 𝚆𝚑𝚢 𝚍𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚢 𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚎𝚌𝚑? 𝙱𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚊𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚖𝚢 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍 - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟾.𝟺𝟹 ...𝙱𝚎𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚍, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚊 𝚛𝚎𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚊𝚌𝚑 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖. 𝚃𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚗𝚘 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚒𝚗 𝚒𝚝 - 𝙹𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚖𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟼.𝟷0 ...𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚝𝚘 𝚒𝚗𝚏𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚜. - 𝙼𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚠 𝟷𝟷.𝟸𝟻 Case and point, Jesus did not worship a triune god, nor would be teach of preach of such a god. And yet, the world is filled with so-called followers of Christ(Christians), who are worshiping, teaching and preaching of a god completely unlike the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@sallylara1102]

🙏🏽🎚️

[@ishenicole9987]

The Jehovah's witnesses are the best teachers I have ever come across

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

WOW!!! You have just convinced me dedicating myself to the WT. I will spread the good news as of today. God bless you.

[@eggyolked108]

The very worst

[@bobbyhempel1513]

Except for them teaching false doctrine and adding words to the Bible to make it fit their narrative.

[@jrc480]

With more discussions like this, there would be fewer conflicts. Great job.

[@rh7074]

Jim Chavez absolutely!

[@johnbrown2163]

If both sides are dead wrong then why is there a conflict??

[@jrc480]

John Brown what are you talking about?

[@johnbrown2163]

Jim Chavez What Discussion did they have for fewer conflicts? Them talking made 500k hate comments and conflicts in comment section...

[@jrc480]

John Brown so your solution is nobody talk?

[@redsfan1135]

2 great people have a beautiful conversation. Respect and love.

[@DonaldkemeEnoch]

You discussed with them and make a tape for itself to get fame & fortuned even that shows you are a sinner

[@randomactivities5367]

Jehovah loves you. He is the one and only true God. Repent of your sins and Jehovah will forgive you. The time is near.

[@wylolister3218]

JWs call "jehovah" a "misspelled & mispronounced" name for God, they even call it a "blunder". "Yahweh . .. is admittedly superior to Jehovah. *'The wrong spelling Jehovah* occurs since about 1100' and then it offers its arguments in favor of Yahweh as the correct and original pronunciation." - Let Your Name Be Sanctified, Jehovah's Witnesses, p 16-20 AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING 1971 Watchtower and Bible Tract Society p884-885 - literature elaborates as to its Catholic origin in 1270: By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova(h)." The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. *Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation.* "jehovah" = misspelled, mispronounced name for God! A false name. The only way to get rid of a false name for God is to quit using it. They have admitted that the use of the name Jehovah was a "blunder." See JWs own Byington Bible in Living English, published by WBTS (1971ish), page 7, on your WT Library CD (this is in the intro so is conveniently been left off the JW dot Org website). (thanks Lee) *"As to the Old Testament name of God, certainly the spelling and pronunciation "Jehovah" were originally a blunder."* God wants his name to be known as a "blunder'? Seriously? JW produced literature calls it wrong, misspelled, mispronounced and a blunder, seriously a "blunder"!!!

[@mitch511]

You follow Charles taze russell...

[@wylolister3218]

@@mitch511 I don't nor the false religion Jehovah's Witnesses.

[@neoshiloh7897]

This is beautiful work. Bless the Lord. Thank You Jesus for mature Christians....

[@loganm2311]

The Hebrew term 'EI' meaning "Mighty one, strong one."(Genesis 14:18)It is used with reference to Jehovah, to other gods, and to men. Some places 'EI' appear with the definate article (ha-'EI' , literally, "the God") with reference to Jehovah, thereby distinguishing him from other gods. - Genesis 46:3; 2 Samuel 22:31. At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called 'EI Gib-bohr', "Mighty God" (not 'EI Shad-Dai [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1). The title God is assigned to others also, but we do not say Moses or Paul is God. Where Moses was also called God: Exodus 4:16 He will speak for you to the people, and he will be your spokesman, and you will serve as God to him. No one is saying Moses is God. Where Paul is called a God: Acts 28:3-6;But when Paul collected a bundle of sticks and laid it on the fire, a viper came out... 6 But they were expecting him to swell up or suddenly to drop dead. After they waited for a long time and saw that nothing bad happened to him, they changed their mind and began saying he was a god. No one is saying Paul is God? Even Satan is referred to as God: 2 Corinthians 4:4... God of the system of things.. Surely no one will say Satan is god. Facts to think about: God Almighty can't die 1.Jesus died and was raised 3 days after. For 3 days the universe was without God? 1 Corinthians 15: 3. For among the first things I handed on to you was what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; 4 and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures. 2.People can't see God,yet they saw Jesus meaning Jesus is not God; John 1:18 ; No man has seen God.. 3. If Jesus is God, he is suppose to know what God knows. Jesus does not know when the end will come: Matthew 24 : 36“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.(Jehovah God) 4.Jesus was Created first by Jehovah God in heaven ; Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Like people will say this is my first born son... Meaning he was "created" first. 5.Jesus himself said it is Jehovah your God you must worship : Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Jehovah's Witnesses has placed God's name in its rightful place where it was taken out. You will see a very important name was taken out at : Pslams 84:18 ;May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,You alone are the Most High over all the earth. Some translation will replace the name Jehovah with Lord, which is not a name its a title like Doctor, Teacher.. Even the our father prayer Jesus himself said in Matthew 6:9-10 Our Father in the heavens, let YOUR Name be sanctified. 10 let YOUR KINGDOM come. Let YOUR WILL TAKE PLACE. Here Jeus is saying let Jehovah's will take place. Please read through the 4 gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and you will see clearly that Jesus always prayed to God when he performed miracles and always gave praise to the God in Heavens Jehovah. In the Bible there is overwhelming evidence that Jehovah is the only Almighty God. Some translations has just taken God's name Jehovah out to fit Church beliefs. Have a look at the Papyrus Fouad 266 edition. Also Learn about the Tetragrammaton.

[@Coach_MarcyBob]

Jehovah is God Almighty Psalms 83:18 Jesus is Gods son, our king and redeemer Matt.17:5 Holy Spirit is Jehovahs Active Force Gen. 1:2

[@philsmoothy4639]

So simple Sister!👍

[@paulahernandez1214]

May jehovah bless that brother for his work by preaching

[@timothyalvarado5315]

Preaching what? Salvation? Forgiveness of sins? The only way to the Father? The LOVE of God?? The Gospel of Jesus Christ?! 1 Corinthians 15:3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Galatians 1:8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[@NO-ps4qv]

@@timothyalvarado5315 Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position?

[@kevinhicks5143]

@@NO-ps4qv My favorite scripture that puts a end to the trinity and there's no way to twist it is 1Cor.15 :26,27,28

[@sageciousarihiakama8794]

Yes, Jehovah' will keep blessing and multiplying his people!!

[@AJoyofDesign]

The Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching heresy in regards to true Christianity. Arian of Alexander had the same belief in God/Jesus as the JWs do. ALL Christian leaders of all the congregations got together and they ALL said Arian was a heretic. Jehovah's witnesses are apostates to Christianity.

[@JesusSaviour4ALL]

Almost feel like the conversation got cut off prematurely :( i love how you speak with firmness yet have patience and integrity giving the other person respect and time to talk good job!

[@dolmundo]

Jeff say that in Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" That the greek word for first born is prōtotokos and it means "preeminent one over all things" and if that is the case than the word prōtotokos should only be used of Jesus. But that is not the case in Hebrews 11:28 "Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them." The trinity is a lie, God the Father is one and Jesus is the son of the Father.

[@samc8941]

Mīkhāʼēl Cruz two different words could be translated into the same word though. Just saying.

[@busterthefrenchbulldog5951]

It’s funny that they believe Jesus was literally the firstborn of the dead but not of creation. Jesus life was granted by his God and Father. That is what Jesus said.

[@alzinn8231]

Nzinn73 surprised he mentioned John 14. John 14:28 says the " Father is greater than I" Jeff also says it's only the NWT that translates John 1:1 as "a God " as I recall the are others. I have to look. This has to do with the fact that there was no definite article in written Greek, the reader would know the appropriate place to supply it. Believers in the trinity point to the verses on John where Jesus says " I and the Father are one" however Jesus prays also for the disciples to be one with him and the Father, clearly this is not in a literal sense. The Greek word used in all these verses for "one" is hen, as I recall and is a neuter word. There are a number of places in the bible where Jesus is viewed as subordinate to the Father, such as 1 cor. 11:3. I'm not currently very religious, but I have read the bible, and I don't think the trinity is very well supported. And I think it's kind of obnoxious to imply that someone who doesn't believe in the trinity cannot be a Christian. A Christian is a follower of Jesus and his teachings. At least that's how I see it.

[@tomw6271]

Well done brother. Your patience paid off in speaking on the pre- eminence of Christ.

[@busterthefrenchbulldog5951]

But Christ wouldn’t be preeminent over his God right? His God Jehovah would be the exception correct?

[@NickHawaii]

Karen Cook The Head of Christ is.....God. (1 Corinthians 11:3)

[@dwright4u7]

New to this channel. The conversation was very enjoyable between the two. Civil and factual discourse with no condescension on either side is rare and much needed in our culture of these days. Thank you.

[@EXJehovahsWitnessesTestimonies]

*Legend has it, he's still chewing the gum.*

[@johnbrown2163]

Jehovah's Witnesses Testimonies Jehovah is garbage and a made up religion... Fuck you.

[@EXJehovahsWitnessesTestimonies]

*I agree my friend just not in such strong terms. I actually do videos debunking their teachings using their own bible translation. God bless.*

[@alwayzblessed30lancaster27]

Jehovah's Witnesses Testimonies 🤣

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

Jehovah's Witnesses Testimonies I will be a faithful JW if you can show me another religion or denomination that uses the NWT bible. God bless you. Revelations 1:7-8

[@moochiezpitt]

John Brown I rebuke you for your potty mouth and your filthy heart, in Jesus name. Repent.

[@johncolage1651]

This one was the first witness to leave Jehovah's family of witnesses. The first apostate was the origin of false religion otherwise we would be all Jehovah's Witnesses as Christ Jesus is today. (Isa. 43:10) So, not being a witness, one has sided with the First apostate. Nowhere in the Bible is mentioned [ SDA, Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Protestant and many more] that are originated with the first apostate. The first apostate even seduced a third of the angels in heaven and many humans. He also attempted three times to have Jesus Christ to leave Jehovah's family of witness. (Matt. 4:10) Today, there close to nine million and growing, standing firm as Jesu Christ. (John 6:67-71)

[@ellana_music]

The Jehovah's witness dude is seriously chewing on that gum! He's trying to stop himself from interrupting lol 💛 Love this! Praise God for you!

[@johnbrown2163]

Praise God for men that destroy a humans personal belief cause dude read in a book that Jews are fake? Wow praise God we can't deport all Immigrants!

[@peterkoumbridis3098]

when jesus was getting baptised in front of baptised john they both heard held from the heavens a voice and it said this is my beloved son , truly i say if jesus was standing on land then who spoke"'"'"'?

[@peterkoumbridis3098]

tim spangler u explained to me from the heavens who spoke and said this is my beloved son was Jesus talking please explain that

[@srtcat3744]

peter koumbridis It was God the father speaking of God the son.

[@peterkoumbridis3098]

Srt Cat exactly correct so Jesus himself said I do my father will so god himself made that clear no other but u must worship now Jehovah name not Jesus it written in the Bible 7thousands times yet why don't the prist mentions his holy name I tell u why the devil very cunning deceive people liking so make Jesus God and let everyone believe look at the old testament from the Greek scriptures bring his name out 3,6exodous

[@nicoelgreeko]

MAN! The knowledge these men posses is astounding, impressive, and honestly quite inspirational!

[@mrdunnepoetryreallifetvuk1934]

My Jehovah’s Witness nan gave permission for another relative to steal all of my belongings as punishment to go with the shunning for having the audacity to expose the abuse within my family, including my aunt who was found to be abusing her own son yet is still a Witness to this very day 😢 There’s a few videos detailing the abuse on my channel..

[@Dexion845]

You can actually use JW’s bibles contradictions against them. For example in Judges chp 6 vs 13-16 in their bible it says “The Angel of Jehovah appeared to Gideon” then in vs 14 it says “Jehovah turned to Gideon” Obviously Jehovah didn’t send himself as an angel if he then carried a convo with Gideon. John 6:46 clearly says no man has seen the father. Yet Abraham, Moses, Gideon, Manoah and his wife, Joshua have all SEEN God!! It’s obvious the OT Jehovah and Jesus are the same.

[@Funnypandalonies]

Anonymous534 Philip said " show us the Father that might satisfy us." Jesus said " have I been with you this long and still you have not known me Phillip? He that has seen me has seen the Father. so how can you say show us the Father?"

[@Glasstable2011]

Or you can use those contradictions to show that the bible is internally inconsistent

[@seedy3cd393]

Anonymous534, I know the NWT is translated in a biased mannor (as are a few other versions) but after reading the scriptures you mention in a few different versions (NRSV, NOG, and the Netbible), I do not see a contridiction. Each place where "LORD" is used, the Hebrew uses יהוה, which is in English YHVH, and in the case of the NWT, they use "Jehovah". The Netbible states in verse 14 "Then the Lord himself turned to him and said" So actually it says that God himself spoke to Gideon directly. The Netbible's not/comment on this is: "32 sn Some interpreters equate the Lord and the messenger in this story, but they are more likely distinct. In vv. 22-23 the Lord and Gideon continue to carry on a conversation after the messenger has vanished (v. 21)."

[@Dexion845]

seedy3 CD3 yea i know there’s a lot of translations out there but again John 6:46 is pretty clear in any translation.

[@Dexion845]

Jake Rojas *Judges ****6:14* Jehovah faced him and said: “Go with the strength you have, and you will save Israel out of Midʹi·an’s hand. Is it not I who send you? If this was just an angel, why did it say “Jehovah faced him and said” Unless you twist this scripture to fit your belief you can clearly see “Jehovah” was present and “he turned to face” Gideon. In ZERO Bible translations does it say “Jehovah’s angel” turned to face him.

[@meheale]

This pasture Jeff trying to explain the trinity makes zero sense

[@tongakhan230]

A fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:13 no doubt.

[@NicklosPhilip]

John 14:28 John 20:17 Jehovah God almighty..One true God..

[@paulbailey9899]

Other translations say the word was godlike or divine. I have Greek literature that argues for the rendering ‘a god’

[@DonaldkemeEnoch]

Pastor Jeff is a blasphemer

[@ellana_music]

Wow, The camera is doing some crazy work!

[@traciislands]

YES camera person giving me a headache, seriously needs a tripod

[@ApologiaStudios]

Cameraman was hiding behind cars because JW's are notorious for refusing to talk if they know they are being filmed. Can't bring out a tripod and rig it's to obvious. Have hold a very heavy long lens very discretely. Enjoy the voyeuristic style.

[@ellana_music]

Always enjoyed discreet filming lol God bless! I enjoy all of your videos! Keep fighting the good fight, brother!

[@CaptCutler]

I was just about to comment on how it seems like you're filming without letting him know. I suppose that's alright seeing as how JWs are severely mistaken in their theology, and it needs to be exposed. Good work.

[@cougarlack]

E.E. W we have a very strong leg to stand on he addressed Col 1. You deny the deity of Holy Spirit which is a major offense let scripture define and interpret itself.

[@whatitisnt8270]

Jesus did not ever speak of the trinity, not only in word, more importantly the theory of the trinity. Jesus simply said he was the son of God. Jehovah is Sovereign Lord of the universe. The Bible says they will be in agreement. Talking about the true religion. The witness did a good job pointing that out. All witnesses believe the same thing world wide. Think about that. That is amazing. In a time when you can't get people to agree on simply facts. The earth being round for example. The witnesses are clearly Jehovah's earthly organization.

[@SmalltimR]

Nor did he worship a triune God. In fact, no one in all of Bible history ever worshiped a triune God - which would include, though not limited to, Jesus Himself.

[@whatitisnt8270]

@@SmalltimR i agree. The teaching of the trinity came hundreds of years after Jesus was on earth. It is the teaching of men. It originated with man, not God.

[@varoshah]

Danny Davis Jesus never mentioned many things ...absence doesn’t mean disagreement

[@whatitisnt8270]

@@varoshah Jesus did not contradict himself. Jesus said he was the Son of God.

[@ulisesbernales5969]

Hell is not in the Original either yet most English versions put that word in their too so what's that about.🤔Are the translators bias in their theology for putting hell?🤔

[@toilotoili7097]

This is so GREAT to see and hear respect and talking to each other regardless of denomination, colour, no screaming, abuse, no name calling... how beautiful just talking about scriptures Thank you Pastor Jeff and too the Jehovah Witness I hope you talk again with Pastor Jeff I studied Jws for over 10 years. Praise Jesus who brang me out there are many beautiful passionate God loving JW's that I pray hear the true word of God AMEN ✝❤ 🙏🏿🙏🏼🙏🏾🙏🏽🙏🙏🏻

[@juancarlosjuarez3365]

I want you guys to talk about blood transfusion with them. Because i see rejecting it to save a love one so wrong.

[@rcruzz5]

No one wants to c their loved ones die including the witnesses. But at some point in our lives we will be faced with a choice that tests out loyalty to god or to our own self interests or that if our loved ones… Please consider the example of the prophet Daniel… he was told something simple, stop praying to your god for just one month or you will die…. He could have reasoned: “I’m no good to god if I die, I’ll just pray in my head… I’ll just do it in the middle of the night so that I don’t run the risk of getting caught…” but no, that would show Daniel was willing to compromise his integrity in order to save his own life…. So instead he continued praying his regular three times a day in front of an open window for everyone to see. In the end his loyalty was rewarded…. The Bible mentions a prohibition on taking blood in genesis when he allowed humans to eat animals in Noah’s day, he repeated the prohibition thousands of years later in Moses’ day, and he repeated it again thousands of years later during the time of the apostles…. They actually repeated 3 times for emphasis at acts 15:20, 29 and 21:25 So knowing that god specifically asked you not to put foreign blood in your body… why loose your integrity to him by disobeying a command that was obviously so important to him that he had it recorded in the Bible time and time again for thousands of years? I realize that some might think that this is just a prohibition against “eating” blood… but if an alcoholic was told don’t “drink” alcohol or you will die, will he get any different results if he reasoned: “if I can’t drink it, I’m gonna inject it…” ? Also, When a patient undergoes a stomach type surgery and is unable to digest food normally sometimes doctors will nourish his body through injections… So putting blood in your body through the mouth or an injection is really the same thing… Things to consider, only Jesus blood can save … scripture to consider as well: Luke 17:33 Jesus said those who seek to save their lives (by disobeying the word of god) will in the end lose it…. And those who happen to lose their lives (while keeping their integrity to gods commands) will end up gaining everlasting life….

[@juancarlosjuarez3365]

@@rcruzz5 it says do not eat blood. It does not say anything about blood transfusions.

[@rcruzz5]

@@juancarlosjuarez3365 There’s no reason to say transfusions… modern day transfusions are “modern day” they weren’t available back then and people wouldn’t have know about them for several hundreds of years later so it would be weird to mention them if people wouldn’t understand what was meant as an injection or transfusion of blood…. But that’s where principles come in … if a doctor said don’t drink alcohol or else you’d die, would the outcome be any different if you injected it into your body? So if god says don’t “eat” blood, will it make a difference if you inject it? Principles …

[@juancarlosjuarez3365]

@@rcruzz5 many people have taken blood throughout the years . The bible says do not eat blood it is not the same. Eat human blood and see if you can survive lie someone who had. A blood transfusion. See not the same. I bet you don't even follow most of the commandments. U only pick witch ones to follow i bet.

[@rcruzz5]

@@juancarlosjuarez3365 many people have done many things for many years… it doesn’t mean the longer you do it the more acceptable it becomes to god… that’s why he kept repeating throughout the entire Bible not to consume blood. Currently, there’s groups of people who consider themselves modern day vampires and they gather in groups where some will volunteer their blood to be drained into cups which are then passed around amongst the “vampires” so that they can drink that fresh blood…. Physically speaking, nothing happens to them the continue to survive… but they are in direct violation against the blood prohibition. There’s many dishes around the world that are made with blood and spices… like moronga or blood sausages… and people eat that blood with no physical harm to their bodies… So no there’s no difference if you eat or drink blood…. There is more potential harm in injecting blood though. There’s compatibility issues and there’s health concerns as well if the donor has a sickness or virus… many people have died or gotten severely sick because of blood transfusions which is why doctors are now starting to lean towards bloodless procedures… Jesus taught his disciples to live based on principles more than a strict adherence to a set of rules… principles are what’s is to be considered especially in modern days because we r dealing with different things that people back then didn’t…. Principles tell you don’t do cocaine even though there’s no mention of cocaine in the Bible… principles tel you not to watch porn on a computer even though the Bible never mentions computers… principles tell you to avoid “transfusion” even though the may word never appears in The Bible… Scriptures to consider would be Leviticus 17:14 which said the life of EVERY sorry of creature (humans included ) is in the blood. Ezekiel 18:4 all lives belong to god… therefore all blood belongs to god… If the blood belongs to god and he asked you to pour it in the floor rather than consuming it…. Do u think he’s be ok with you finding a loophole by injecting it? The principles would tell us no, it’s not ok..

[@philb8697]

I love there civilized and educated discussion. Both people were knowledgeable and firm followers of their beliefs

[@johnnyhinton3138]

Yes but their is only 1 correct way.

[@thedevilsadvocate5210]

We twirl to the left and they twirl to the right

[@2017Fed]

Their*

[@chillandletitoutrecords2761]

Johnny Hinton Jesus.

[@kboy.2036]

JW's world wide love all there members. We can go anywhere in the world and they will recognize each other , but not to be disrespectful but these churches can't even be United in one country you have white churches and black churches. I thought after the segregation ended they would have been United but there are still people today that go to these churches and still are racist and segregated it doesn't make sense but yet jesus said that you have to be United so I thought to myself this can't be right but JW's they are the ones who are still United they have always been even through segregation they have never been in wars yet you see these popes and preachers praying over these soldiers to go to war to fight these other countries where other churches are. Why do they do this. can somebody tell me why they do this.

[@SmalltimR]

@Roselinda *RE:* Jesus does declare out of His own mouth several times *A.* Let's take a closer look; _Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am_ - John 8.58 1. The language used in the account was likely Aramaic, whereas the account with Moses was in Hebrew 1. There is no such title as "I AM" called-upon by anyone in Bible history 2. The translation I AM(eh-yeh) is unlike any other instance found in Genesis and Exodus 3. The use of the words "I am that I am", come across as a definition of God's revelation to Israel rather than God's name, see; v15 4. The words I AM [egō eimi] were commonplace in the Greek language, and never once understood to mean YHWH 5. The use of the words "I AM" as GOD's name proves to be completely ill-fitting to the context of the discussion 6. The commonplace use of the words "I am" in the Greek text, fits the context of the discussion perfectly 7. The name revealed and disclosed by GOD in Exodus 3 is found in v15 as; _YHWH for all eternity and all generations_ Genesis 26:3 - YHWH speaks and says "I WILL BE (ehyeh) with you" Genesis 31:3 - YHWH speaks and says "I WILL BE (ehyeh) with you" Exodus 3:12 YHWH speaks and says “I will be (ehyeh) with you” Exodus 4:12 YHWH speaks and says "I will be (ehyeh) with your mouth" Exodus 4:15 YHWH speaks and says "I will be (ehyeh) with your mouth" Deuteronomy 31:23 YHWH speaks and says "I will be (ehyeh) with you" *NB.* Early translations of Exodus 3.14 translated this; "esomai hos esomai" - “I will be who I will be” Now let's look at a comparison of the two possible outcomes associated with the statement in question; ..."Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, YHWH" ..."Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I EXISTED" Now, let's compare these possibilities with the context of the discussion between Jesus and the Pharisees; _48Then the Jews answered him, "Don't we say well that you are a Samaritan, and have a demon?" 49Jesus answered, "I don't have a demon, but _*_I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. 50But I don't seek my own glory. There is one who seeks and judges._*_ 51Most certainly, I tell you, if a person keeps my word, he will never see death." 52Then the Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon. _*_Abraham died,_*_ and the prophets; and you say, 'If a man keeps my word, he will never taste of death.' _*_53Are you greater than our father, Abraham, who died?_*_ The prophets died. Who do you make yourself out to be?"* 54Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is our God.* 55You have not known him, but I know him. If I said, 'I don't know him,' I would be like you, a liar. But I know him, and keep his word. _*_56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day. He saw it, and was glad."_*_ 57The Jews therefore said to him, _*_"You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" 58Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."_*_ 59Therefore they took up stones to throw at him, but Jesus was hidden, and went out of the temple, having gone through the midst of them, and so passed by._ - John 8.48-59 In this account, Jesus had revealed who He was to the Pharisees - but did not understand, as Jesus went-on to say that they could not hear His words, as they were not of God, but of their Father the devil. The Pharisees argued that they were of their Father Abraham, of whom God revealed His promised of salvation. Jesus then responded that He was greater than Abraham, and that Abraham saw His day - the day of Christ To which the Pharisees responded that He was not yet 50 yrs old, and that He could not have possibly seen Abraham Jesus then replied; _..."Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I EXISTED"_ Thus concluding that He was indeed greater than their forefather Abraham. *RE:* I see Jesus being claimed as God everywhere *A.* Do tell, because so far you have not provided a single declarations similar to YHWH in the Bible. _..."I am Yahweh, who makes all things; who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by myself_ Isa 44.24 _...for thus says Yahweh... "I am Yahweh; and there is no other"_ - Isa 45.18 _...Yahweh appeared to Abram, and said to him, "I am God Almighty..._ - Gen 17.1 _..."I am God Almighty..._ - Gen 35.11 _..."I am Yahweh; 3and I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as GOD Almighty..._ - Ex 6.2-3 _...I am Yahweh your God... I am holy..._ - Lev 11.44 *RE:* Wait so we are to serve Jesus *A.* Jesus is our heavenly King and High priest, and we honor and serve Him by adhering to His teachings and commandments *RE:* Why is Jesus being lifted as worthy of serving *A.* The Bible reveals it is because GOD has authorized Him *RE:* You are the one preaching contrary doctrine *A.* Contrary to what exactly? *RE:* You articulate your false ideas better than me *A.* And what of the truth of GOD in the Bible? Was it smooth speech that lead Jesus to deny making Himself GOD before His accusers? *RE:* I am a simple person I just read the words at face value. As in "before Abraham was I am!!" *A.* As a simple person, which do you think makes most sense? ..."Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, YHWH" ..."Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I EXISTED" Be honest, have you actually read the entire account in Exodus 3 between GOD and Moses? And if so, why are did you ignore the name revealed by GOD for all eternity and all generations? *RE:* You come in with your scholarship attempting to discredit my innocent faith in Jesus *A.* Since when is innocent faith contradictory to GOD's written word in the Bible? The Bible says we need to believe Jesus is the Son of God, yet many people claim the very opposite. There is only one source of truth when it comes to GOD's word, and that is GOD's written word in the Bible. *RE:* You saw my comment saw an open target to your spew your evil doctrine *A.* As followers of Christ, we must defend the doctrine of godliness according to the truth given to Jesus by His own God and Father. And while the truth may not always be what we desires, we owe it to Jesus' to put our best foot forward in discovering the truth of GOD as it was written.

[@stevendrummond1461]

4 agsinst 1 😂😂 love it. The brother still held his own

[@craigime]

it was 1 against 1...the other guy barely said anything...no need to play the victim. he would have lost anyway.

[@BSZ75]

craigime who would’ve lost?

[@jemuzu0944]

@@BSZ75 Jehovah's Witnesses already lost since the religion started.

[@alexbakerloo1979]

John 1:1 wins against all of us

[@Samuel27x]

@@craigime its not about playing victim, its legit 4 on 1.

[@Petertutinski]

So refreshing to hear a conversation like this!

[@givimachitadze6308]

The Trinity vs. Facts Some Undeniable Facts to Keep in Mind The Triune God is never mentioned once in the entire Bible. It is absurd to believe this three-person-God exists but is never once mentioned in the Bible. God is the main character of the Bible and He is mentioned thousands upon thousands of times. Yet there is not a single reference to a Triune God anywhere in the entire Bible. For that reason, Trinitarians resort to the practice of shamelessly imagining their three-person-God into the text by an act of their own will wherever they think they can get away with it. There is a missing controversy. It is ludicrous to suppose the first Christians (mostly Jews) believed in a three-person-God but no controversy erupted among the Jews concerning this belief. However, we don't even find a hint of anyone at all debating a three-person-God. This shows the earliest Christians did not have such a belief. The earliest Christian writers of the first two centuries never mention a three-person-God. In fact, one of them for example, Irenaeus about 180 AD, repeatedly insisted only the Father is the true God of Christians. His main argument against the Gnostics was the true identity of the one God. In his five volume work, he never once mentions a three-person-God. He obviously had never heard of such a thing. That these earliest Christians never refer to a three-person-God is very strong evidence that the concept was unheard of. It is preposterous to suppose that during New Testament times, people had come to the shocking realization that their monotheistic God was three persons all along but nobody really thought it was significant enough to talk about. If such a thing had occurred, it would have been front and center of every discussion. It didn't happen. The only thing which did happen is that they believed Jesus was divinized/deified in his resurrection glorification and that is quite true. The doctrine of the Trinity was created by men. It is a "conclusion" to a human reasoning process of a group of men developing through the late second to the fourth century. That is a historical fact which is there for all to see. During Christological debates of the first two centuries, nobody ever appealed to an apostolic teaching of the Trinity; rather men debated would they thought they should believe. This tells us that a three-person-God is not an apostolic teaching but a later product of of the minds of men and not the God of our Lord Jesus. When men come up with a God of their own making, as Aaron did in the golden calf account, this amounts to an idol crafted by men. In the Scriptures, Peter tells us that it was the Father who promised to raise up the prophet, His servant-son Jesus (Acts 3:19-26). This promise is found at Deuteronomy 18:15-18 where we find the Father is the one who spoke out of the fire on the mountain to Israel when He gave them the Law and the Father promised to do this because the people were afraid they were going to die if God spoke to them directly. This alone proves Jesus is not God. But even further, these facts tell us it was the Father who spoke out of the fire on the mountain and Moses states the following about He who spoke out of the fire: "Has any people heard the voice of God speaking from the midst of the fire, as you have heard it, and survived? ... the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him" (Deut 4:33-35). We are told it was the Father who spoke out of the fire, therefore it is obvious that Moses tells us there is no God but the Father. Again the Trinity is proven false. And again, Jesus and a Jewish scribe agreeably concur that Deuteronomy 4:35 indicates their God is one HE and there is no other but HIM. The evidence against the Trinity here is very decisive. At 2 Samuel 7:11-14, God promises David that he will seat his descendant on his throne and says, "I will be a Father to him and he will be a Son to Me." The Hebrews writer confirms this was fulfilled in Jesus (Heb 1:5) which tells us that God the Father made this promise to David. David responds to God who made this promise saying, "Yahweh God, there is none like You and no God besides You." There is no God except the One that David is speaking to. The Bible tells us that David was a prophet who spoke under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And we know he was speaking to the One who made this promise to him and we know it was the Father because we are told it is the Father. No other member of the Trinity could say "I will be a Father to him and he will be a Son to me." Hence, the Scriptures here prove the Trinity is false since David under the inspiration of the Spirit said to the Father, "there is none like You and no God besides You." In the Bible we are told that God the Father caused Mary to conceive by the power of His Spirit. However, Trinity doctrine has one person conceiving Jesus (the 3rd person of the Trinity) but another person turns out to be Jesus' father (the Father). That's ridiculous. Whoever conceives/begets is the Father. But not in the whacky world of Trinitarianism. The same problem exists concerning born again believers. They are begotten of the Spirit (3rd person of the Trinity) yet the first person of the Trinity turns out to be their Father. Ludicrous. In the doctrine of the Trinity, you cannot say the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit or the Trinity is destroyed (you would be saying the 2nd person is identical to the 3rd person). However, 2 Corinthians 3:17 states "the Lord is the Spirit" and the facts of the immediate context overwhelmingly shows Paul is saying the risen Jesus is the Holy Spirit. In fact, he states outright that he is preaching Jesus Christ as Lord (4:5) in a discussion concerning the new ministry of the Holy Spirit (3:1-18) proving that Paul's words "the Lord is the Spirit" do mean "the Lord Jesus is the Spirit." The Trinity directly contradicts this Scripture. And there are several other passages which indicate the risen Jesus is the Spirit. In the doctrine of the Trinity, the divine nature is defined as having certain attributes or characteristics. If someone is not omniscient then they don't have a divine nature because omniscience is one of the things that defines that someone does have a divine nature. And in Trinitarian doctrine, if you don't have a divine nature you are not God because this is what defines you as God in this doctrine. Jesus tells us that neither he nor the Holy Spirit know the day and hour of his return since he emphatically affirmed that only the Father knows that day and hour (Matthew 24:36). Trinity doctrine directly contradicts this passage which again shows the Trinity is false. Having been called "Good TEACHER," Jesus denied he is God when he said, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone" (Mark 10:18). Since there is only one God, Jesus was necessarily referring to his God. If Jesus was not referring to his God, what God was he referring to? There is only one God. The word "good" was an adjective for "teacher" in this account and that is what Jesus was responding to. Jesus tells us his teaching was not his but his God and Father's teaching. See John 7:15-18; James 1:17 and John 3:27. That he was referring to his God is an inescapable fact. There is only one God and his God is that one God. Jesus demonstrates to us that the Shema command (Deut 6:4) is referring to the Father alone since he only recognized the Father in order to observe this command. He agrees with a Jewish scribe that "the Lord is one" means there is not other but HE/HIM, that is, we are informed that the word "one" means one HE (Mark 12:28-34) contrary to Trinitarian claims that it means one divine nature/ousia (that is the only way the three persons are one in their docrtrine). Jesus also demonstrates the Father alone is the God of Israel since it says, "Hear O ISRAEL, the Lord OUR God, the Lord is one." The God of all Israel is therefore identical to Jesus Christ's God, the Father alone. Jesus along with every other Israelite was required to obey this command. We know he did it correctly and he did it by recognizing only his Father as the God of Israel. These facts tell us beyond any doubt that the one God of the Shema is the Father alone. Otherwise, Jesus knowingly did not obey this command correctly. Since there is only one God, the only God is necessarily Jesus Christ's God and no other. Trinitarian doctrine acknowledges that his God is not a three-person-being and only the Father is his God (not the 3rd person of the Tinity either). Jesus Christ's God is the Father alone. What other God is there besides Jesus Christ's God? If the one God of the Scriptures is not his God, then what God is? The Scriptures tell us there is none besides his God. Hence, only his God is the true God which again demonstrates the Trinity is false. Jesus Christ's God stated Himself that He alone is God and nobody else. The Scriptures tell us specifically it was the Father who said that He alone is God and no one else. In fact, Jesus himself tells us specifically that it was the Father who declared He is God and there is no one else. By His own statements, and the confirming testimony of Jesus, God the Father ruled out the Trinity. If you won't believe God the Father who will you believe? If God the Father Himself declares that He alone is God and nobody but Him is God and it doesn't convince you the Trinity is false, nothing will. Another fact. Trinitarians typically don't care about facts if the facts do not suit their doctrine of the Trinity. You can observe that one for yourself. And you will. The Scriptural evidence that the one God is only the Father of Jesus is plentiful, overwhelming and decisive.

[@alo2783]

Facts

[@heavnbound]

Ultimately thoughts are determined by what you know. When your knowledge base is controlled so are your thoughts.

[@TonyaManningCCTT22]

Pslam 83:18, God's Personal Name appears in the KJV 7 times. Because it it the KJV. But, originally, it appears more than 7,000 times in the original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures.

[@bigzachful]

Exactly! YHVH Jehova!!

[@kneegrow8486]

How bout in Isaiah it reads that his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, Everlasting Father. Yashua said, "I am the Alpha, the Omega, the beginning, & the end, the 1st, & the Last. I am the ROOT, & the offspring of David, & the bright & morning star.

[@kevinhicks5143]

Jesus never called himself the alpha,what translation are you using lol

[@kneegrow8486]

@@kevinhicks5143 Hey, Hick I think u need 2 brush up on your BIBLE homeboy, bc your ignorance is on full display. Not only does HE say it, HE says in Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 22 dude. KJV. If Ignorance is bliss, u must be swimming in a sea of sh!☆ L0L???🤔. Arrogance & Ignorance seems 2b ur strong suit. Its MosDef not researching b4 typing or reading ur bible as ever1 can tell, so when grown folks is talking, close ur mouth. For a wise man will HEAR & LEARNING shall INCREASE.

[@kevinhicks5143]

@@kneegrow8486 Again Jesus never put himself above God, and in that verse he says he is Almighty which would make him Jehovah not Jesus.I implore you to read 1 Corinthians 15:26,27,28 and this scripture cannot be twisted by satanic doctrine that puts Jesus our savior equal to God ,look up the definition of Trinity then try looking up the actual origins,i hope this will help you 🙏

[@kneegrow8486]

@@kevinhicks5143 1st of all, how can GOD put himself above GOD. Either, HE was, who he said HE was, or HE was a liar. HE said HE was the Alpha & the Omega, the beginning & the End, the 1st & the Last, did HE not? In the old Testament The Father is known as the shepherd, is HE not? In the new testament, who identifies as the good shepherd? HE said to her, go your sins be forgiven, & the pharisees murmured, that HE blaspheme, who can forgive sin, but GOD alone? Emanuel means GOD with us. Oh btw Jehovah??? I know, no GOD by that name, nor do I recognize this greek word "jesus" as the Saviours name either. The letter J was invented 600yrs ago. HE said I come in my Fathers name. YHWH is pronounced Yahweh the & the SONS name is Yahshua more accurately translated Joshua n2 English

[@kevinhicks5143]

@@kneegrow8486 Your exactly correct God can't put himself above himself, God cannot die,Jesus never made himself equal to God ,The Bible said Jesus took a form lower than Angels by coming to earth, Jesus said he was returning to his Father and his God ,He is the only begotten son of God the first born of creation ,the same Hebrew word that was used for Abraham's son , i can go on and on .Again Jesus is a mighty God but He is never mentioned as the Almighty God.And Rev. Is always referring to Jehovah as the alpha not his son . Definition of Trinity: Three devine persons each said to be eternal,each said to be Almighty, non greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet being one God,statements of this dogma emphasize that these three persons are not separate or distinct individuals but are three modes in which the devine essence exist. YHWH is in the original texts such as the dead see scroll over 7000 times,more than any other name in the Bible so the name is very important, just because we don't now how the original Hebrew pronounced his name we now what the meaning is ( he who causes to become).we don't now how to pronounce any Hebrew names but it doesn't stop us from using are vocabulary to get there meanings,Adam ,Noa, Abraham, Isaac, David,Jesus. What ever makes you feel better i guess use it . Triune gods date back to babylonians and egiptions they have satanic origns do some research on them you may be surprised. Other than that may Jesus are lord and Jehovah his God and ours come soon to bring his kingdom on earth as it is in heaven

[@archieliburd3794]

If Jesus is God, who then was it who said MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME? AND WHO WAS HE TALKING TO?HIMSELF? IF JESUS IS GOD, why then did he say at, Mark 10 v 18, " WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD, NOBODY GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD?" Please read 1 John 4 verse 12, NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME. Didn't people see Jesus? Besides, NO MAN CAN SEE GOD'S FACE AND YET LIVE. Don't you guys know that? 1 John 4 verse 15 says, whoever declares that Jesus is the son of God, God is in him and ge in God. 1 John 5, verse 5, says, WHO CONQUERS THE WORLD BUT HE WHO DECLARES THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. IF JESUS IS GOD, THEN MARK 13 v 32 would make no sense? No man knoweth the time or the hour., not the angels in Heaven, not the son, but the father. So are you saying that God doesn't know his own plan?

[@wylolister3218]

You should study the the trinity concept more as you don't seem to understand it.

[@jimroitv4217]

I believe in Jehovah, , . I love you Jehovah..

[@hucktrucks1161]

Keep the faith brother. Don't let this world and it's wolves break it

[@avbenji]

Same here brother, proud of you.

[@kedduff1814]

Yes believe in Jehovah and love him but plz find out who Jesus really is.

[@abbyxg5596]

Wotiknow Now seems like the dummy is another one ... smh

[@busterthefrenchbulldog5951]

Yes don’t stop loving Jehovah. Jesus is the Son of Jehovah. The servant of Him. Acts 3:13

[@EnterSanity]

I'm actually moving from Tallahassee, FL to AZ pretty soon. I need a good church to go-to. I'm going to look into your church. I love these debates and your knowledge of the Holy word is powerful!

[@Prolificfitt]

i could imagine not knowing the truth going somewhere else for info and being lost probably would of lost my mind just so happy Jehovah revealed it to me

[@Prolificfitt]

Lol when he says the Holy Spirit is god and he lost his confidence a bit

[@Summersblues1]

Did everybody here, notice how Jeff tried to fool your brain here ? he read Colossians, 1:15 and 16, where it says that “ Jesus is the firstborn of all creation “ , and then he just says , yeah , that’ doesn’t mean firstborn of all creation ! ……Really ? That is actually a blatant lie! But he says it so calm and smooth that You might just carry on , and not question what he just said, But if you look at that word “ firstborn “ in the Bible, it is indeed used as “ firstborn of a family” in 99.9% of the times when it is used, in almost every place ! So what is he talking about ?? the word is only used once ☝️ in the Scriptures to denote the most preeminent one, so it’s actually the opposite of what Jeff says , and it is mostly used as first born of a family! so everyone here , when you get a chance, please look up how many times “ firstborn “ is used in the scriptures , and notice when it is dealing with anyone living, it is always used as the first born of a family or a group! You will see that Jeff is lying ! And he did exactly what he accused the Witness of doing , and that is ‘ just taking alittle bit of truth, and twisting it , and spinning it , to fit his interpretation! Jeff, just hopes , that you will not check his teaching , because he says them so calmly, and so smoothly that you don’t even feel like he’s being deceptive, or that there’s any other interpretation to the word , when in actuality, “ first born of a family “ is the only way it is used in the Scriptures , except for one time ☝️ so Jeff is actually the one using additions to the scriptures here ! If you were interested in looking this up this word, you can look this up in a Strong’s concordance of the Bible.

[@smalltimer4370]

I have witnessed this behavior so many times over the years, and with so many people that I have grown accustomed to it. That said, and as it turns out, there are no limits to what people can and will do to deny the truth if they don't want it.

[@suenyamaivia1391]

There is no council that can stand against Jehovah

[@gogmarinov]

You refer to God as a third person big brother. People that deny the divinity of Jesus have a limit on their closeness to God and it is visible.

[@kush-luv540]

Suenya Maivia lol

[@celticRicky]

Suenya Maivia read Romans 14 :11 & Phil 2 :10 nwt. Blessings

[@mamaJmama]

If the Son sets you free, you are free indeed....

[@libreverdaderamente4450]

Why jehovah hates jesus ?

[@hotrodgabe1]

There is only one God! The word trinity is not found in the Bible anywhere.

[@estherlewis7458]

There is one God. "Baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." One God - three persons.

[@SmalltimR]

We could take matters further by concluding the following facts; 1. there is no triune god; declared, defined, revealed or worshiped, in all of Bible history 2. Jesus would not worship, teach or preach of such a god 3. the advent of the triune god and the trinity would not take place until approximately 350 years following Jesus' death and resurrection With that said, many people today, would have us believe that becoming an imitator of Christ, results in worshiping a god that is completely unlike the GOD of Jesus. And all because a group of degenerate men said so. The Bible urges that we stay awake and keep our eyes open to the truth.

[@williamhenderson8371]

Regardless of which side of this argument you fall on or if you disagree with both, it is so refreshing to hear a discussion on such a sensitive subject handled so civilly. Much respect to both parties. 👍🏻

[@Jlmapologist]

"Firstborn" (prototokos) is an integral part of the Father = Source idiom so common in the Bible and is closely associated with "beginning" (arkhe) and "only-begotten" (monogenes). Jehovah (who is the Father alone) is never referred to as "first-born" in any sense. Any person, animal, or thing who is ever called "first-born" in the Bible is always a part of Jehovah's creation and is literally the very first one born in a family with other children following (or figuratively the very first one in a line of others who share the quality or attribute under consideration). If we are to understand the literal "first-born" to sometimes figuratively mean "pre-eminent" (as some trinitarians attempt to do - primarily to avoid the literal meaning of Col. 1:15: Jesus "the first-born of all creation" - see RSV), certainly it should, occasionally at least, be applied to the truly pre-eminent one of all, The Most High. But this never happens in the entire Bible! The Most High (Pre-eminent One) is always the Father (Jehovah only) alone- see Mark 5:7; Luke 1:32; Luke 8:28; the parallel accounts of Luke 6:30-35 and Matt. 5:42-45; Ps. 83:18; and Ps. 7:17. But He is never called "firstborn" (or "only-begotten")! The source or originator of all creation is the Father as the very title itself, "Father," tells us. Prototokos or "firstborn" is nearly always used, as the word literally tells us, to mean one who is the beginning of his Father's creative (or procreative) power. And, in fact, arkhe (obviously meaning "beginning") is often used in conjunction with prototokos. For example, the Greek Septuagint says at Gen. 49:3, "Ruben, thou art my first-born [prototokos] ... and the first [arkhe - 'beginning'] of my children." - Septuagint Version. Even if prototokos could be used to mean "pre-eminent one," it's obvious that the terms "Father" (for the person who is the source and the superior of Jesus), "Son" (the person created by his Father, and in a subordinate, intermediary position to his Father), "only-begotten," "first-born," and "beginning of God's creation" all combine (with the most common understanding of those words by those who spoke and read them at that time) to only one possible conclusion: there was a time when only the Father ("the source") existed. Then, at some point, the Father brought another person into existence and this person was the first production of his creative powers, his "firstborn and the beginning of his creation."

[@Jlmapologist]

Colossians 1:16 by means of him all other things were created: God used “his beloved Son” (Col 1:13) in creating the things “in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible.” This would include the millions of other spirit sons in Jehovah God’s heavenly family, as well as the physical universe. (Ge 1:1; Da 7:9, 10; Joh 1:3; Re 5:11) Jesus was Jehovah’s firstborn Son and the only one created directly by God. (Heb 1:6; see study notes on Joh 1:14 and Col 1:15.) Logically, it was to this firstborn Son that Jehovah said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.”​-Ge 1:26. all other things: A literal rendering of the Greek text would be “all things.” (Compare Kingdom Interlinear.) However, such a rendering could give the impression that Jesus was not created but was the Creator himself. And that idea would not agree with the rest of the Bible, including the preceding verse, which calls Jesus “the firstborn of all creation.” (Col 1:15; compare Re 3:14, where Jesus is called “the beginning of the creation by God.”) Also, the Greek word for “all” can in some contexts have the meaning “all other,” as for example at Lu 13:2 (“all other”); Lu 21:29 (“all the other”); Php 2:21 (“all the others”). This agrees with Paul’s inspired teaching found at 1Co 15:27: “God ‘subjected all things under his [Christ’s] feet.’ But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.” So both the Bible’s teachings as a whole and the probable meaning of the Greek word used here support the rendering “all other things.”​-Compare study note on Php 2:9. thrones or lordships or governments or authorities: Here Paul refers to positions of authority within Jehovah’s administrative arrangement. Such positions exist among God’s human servants and, as indicated here, also among his perfect spirit creatures. (Ezr 10:15-17; Isa 6:2; 1Co 6:3; Eph 3:10; Heb 13:17; Jude 8, 9) These positions were not simply permitted by Jehovah; rather, they were created by God. He is the Source of these arrangements, and his Son was the active agent in setting them up. The positions of authority mentioned in this verse were “created through him [Jesus] and for him,” and therefore they cannot refer to human governments. created through him and for him: Although God’s firstborn Son, Jesus, is here said to have been involved in the creation of all things, the Scriptures do not call him the Creator. The preceding verse says that he is “the firstborn of all creation,” and at Re 3:14, he is called “the beginning of the creation by God.” After his own creation, Jesus, personified as “wisdom” in Proverbs chapter 8, became Jehovah’s “master worker.” (Pr 8:1, 22, 30) Jesus’ involvement with creation is described at Pr 8:22-31, which says that Jehovah’s master worker “rejoiced over [God’s] habitable earth, and . . . was especially fond of the sons of men [or, “mankind”].” It is in this sense that Col 1:16 says: “All other things have been created through him and for him.”

[@jacobl6572]

Would it not be wrong to worship Jesus, the Lamb of God, if he was not God? In Revelation, it was done without a rebuke. Why did Jesus not rebuke Thomas after the resurrection, when he called him "My God"? Who's name do you call upon for salvation or in time of trouble?

[@johnbee1069]

That depends on what is intended by the act of worship. ie, many people today believe that the act worship is specific only to God. Whereas the Bible shows that this isn't the case at all, as we find people worshiping; Kings, angels and men as well as God. And so it's quite obvious that the act of worship throughout Bible history, was not the worship given to the one true God. With that being said, the reason Jesus did not rebuke Thomas following his resurrection was because the statement implied both Jesus(as Lord) and His God(the Father). Just as the lesson given to him by Jesus stated. As for the angels in heaven, here again, the account shows that they worship Jesus as their King, though at no point is this confounded with the worship due to God who is at His side - as that would be idolatry at best. PS. It was quite common for people to worship Jesus who was a man on earth without controversy - though it remains that there is logical way to conclude that they worship Jesus as God when He was made lower than the angels.

[@jacobl6572]

@@johnbee1069 Deut 8:19 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the Lord thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; All the 75+ biblical examples of righteous worship is worshiping the Lord God alone. Note, giving praise to person is not the same as worshiping them and we must never worship anything created by God or man. Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. Do you worship Jesus?

[@staffsergeantspacebar8260]

James? Don't you mean Thomas, Larry? Jesus didn't rebuke him because he knew Thomas wasn't calling him God almighty. Read John 20:17. There Jesus tells Mary he has a God and Father. The same God and Father as Mary and the apostles.

[@jacobl6572]

@@staffsergeantspacebar8260 Yes you are right, I meant Thomas

[@staffsergeantspacebar8260]

@@choicemeatrandy6572 in light of john 20:17? how absurd!

[@brianbrown2803]

This is how you help Jehovah's witnesses to wake up. As a Jehovah's witnesses for over 45 years I finally woke up. Thank you to all of the true Christian that help me . If Witnesses come to your door, anywhere you come into contact with them. Talk kindly to them. It might just help them to wake up from such a High Mind Control Organization.

[@777Tralfaz777]

So, who teaches the truth from God's word then?

[@aprilwine132]

@@777Tralfaz777 Start by reading a standard translation of the bible and not the paraphrased like The New World translation that has words added to it words like “a” as in “the word was a god” i Instead of “the word was God” also as in “other” that he created all “other things” instead of “all things” to push the watchtower theology that is not In the bible. The Bible really is not that complicated. It’s not a great mystery. Read it in context of the culture of the time it was written. Read scripture in context. Context as King Learn from the bible and not books and magazines that give you an ever changing doctrine. Associate with people that allow open discussion of scripture and wont silence you if you differ on some opinion. Don’t associate individuals or organizations that call themselves “The mouthpiece of God” as the Watchtower Society has and then make false prophecies

[@IamGreatsword]

​@@777Tralfaz777 The Holy Spirit.

[@candlewax2735]

".... I live because of the Father...." ( William ) Tyndale Bible ( John 6:57 ) Jesus credits his own life to his Father.

[@simonrgalesg]

Amen brother

[@candlewax2735]

@@simonrgalesg I overlooked this simple truth for a long time.

[@simonrgalesg]

@@candlewax2735 what made you see it?

[@candlewax2735]

@@simonrgalesg Personal study- I stumbled across it.

[@simonrgalesg]

@@candlewax2735 that is good my friend

[@judyenz5179]

The First thing I would like to ask the Pastor What is your SALARY? How much are you PAID???

[@andrewunthank3521]

Why?

[@carlosblanco2955]

At least this JW looked more open minded and more interested in listening. Other JWs would have send Jeff away immediately.

[@johnbee1069]

Some people are more tolerant than others - tbh, I could not tolerate listening to someone like Jeff very long, which would be the equivalent of listening to a sharp tongued deceiver.

[@AJoyofDesign]

@@johnbee1069 prove he was deceiving him. Just because your JW cult interprets things differently than Christians doesn't mean the Christian was deceiving the JW cult member.

[@troysummerill3018]

I've had similar arguments reading Ikea build instructions. God bless the faithful for they will have it.

[@aricm5973]

How doesn't this have more likes xD

[@citygirl138]

This pastor is so knowledgeable!

[@Todd-eu4sb]

BIBLE TRUTH Daniel 12:4 is FULFILLED!! Is Jesus Michael the ARCHANGE? Jehovah doesn't make it difficult to understand his words but men make it intricate. But an answer to the question above. Jesus is in fact, Michael the Archangel. How so? Here is your walls that holds your roof. Simplified and clarified. Let's start with Isaiah 9:6, let's examine the latter portion of verse 6 and it states (Jesus) "Prince of Peace." Focusing on "PRINCE", we needn't define what a prince is. The opening of Isaiah 9:6 says (jesus) he will be a "RULER" or "KING". Now combine the two titles together, King and Prince, what do you have? You have "King Prince". Emphasizing further on PRINCE, the Bible mentions angels are referred to as a "PRINCE" or "MORNING STAR". Only angels in heaven are referred to as Prince's or a "MORNING STAR". Jesus Christ holds both titles that is rendered to Angels. For a child this would be sufficient, whether or not, Jesus is an angel but for the stubborn, let us go further Job 38:7 Revelation 22:16 Daniel 10:13. Jehovah, The Sovereign lord of the universe is never, ever, referred to as a PRINCE or MORNING STAR in this sense. Since Isaiah 9:6 states that Jesus would be a "RULER" and a "PRINCE". As aforementioned a "PRINCE" is an ANGEL, you combine KING with ANGEL. and you get what ? KING ANGEL. Get it? This is your wall to your roof. Now let's build a foundation. If Jesus is a king Angel do the Bible ever mention about a king angel? Yess!!! At 2 Timothy 3:16, the Bible States, "all scripture is inspired of God, beneficial for teaching, reproving and setting matters straight". Please turn to Revelation 9:11. Hear the scriptures mentions the "KING ANGLE " of the Abyss. This is Jesus Christ when he returned back to heaven with new authority Matthew 28:18 Now let's focus on three things the king Angel of the Abyss has. 1. He was given a "KEY", which symbolizing Authority. Matthew 16:19 Jesus was given "ALL" Authority in Heaven and Earth and that's inclusive of the Abyss. !!! Jesus was also given two new names in this text, A·badʹdon, Hebrew, for destruction and A·polʹlyon, greek for Destroyer. Do take note, the first prophecy uttered was Genesis 3:15. There we read that (Jesus) would crush the head of Satan, which means, he would be destroyed. Mark 1:27 Matthew 8:31 No surprise the "KING ANGEL" of the abyss is given such names being the fact; he is the Christ. The demons know that Jesus will not only destroy them ultimately, but first, he will send them into an abyss. Mark 1:27 Revelation 20:1-3 Not only do you have your walls, roof and your foundation. Let's give it some plumbing and electricity, perhaps, some furniture too. Some think, that the king Angel of the Abyss is Satan. Really? Please turn to revelation 20:1-3, here the same Angel has a "KEY" and what is he doing?, he's throwing Satan into the abyss. Obviously, he is not Satan but the King angel of the Abyss. As for mentioned, he's none other than, the glorified, Jesus Christ himself in Kingdom Power. As a summation, Jesus is God's appointed King of the Messianic Heavenly Kingdom. Jehovah has given Jesus "ALL" authority in Heaven and Earth which is inclusive of the Abyss. We couldn't emphasize it enough. Since Jesus is given "ALL" authority in Heaven and Earth. Suddenly still feel it's not Jesus Christ. Well, it deserves a question then. What is an angel doing a KING and what is he "RULING" over? Over the demons locked up in the Abyss, hardly. What is he ruling over then? Logical and simple equation. Let's take a look at Daniel chapter 12:, it states Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great "PRINCE" who is standing in behalf of your people. Not only does it indicate he's a representative of God for his people but he's designated, to take action or assume Authority or power. which usually means to "STAND UP" or assume authority to be taken into action. Look what follows when he takes action, the Bible states, "And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach. Daniel 12:1- 2 Compare John 5:25, 28- 29 "they will hear (Jesus) voice and the dead will rise". A taking action and end result the Dead Rising. First the Bible says Michael; then it changes to Jesus Christ, why?, because the same action is done by the same person, none other than, Jesus Christ himself. Michael and Jesus is one and the same. Jesus our God appointed Messianic King is none other than the king Angel of the Abyss. Get it? Your house is completed and it looks fantastic. Please contact your local Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and you can request a Bible study at your convenience, via video zoom, e - male, letter, or in person. It's flexible and free. Let the one who has ears, listen to what the spirit says .....