Jehovah's Witnesses are right about 607 BCE.

[@LloydEvans]

There doesn't need to be a 70-year exile. As Carl Olof Jonsson explains in his book The Gentile Times Reconsidered, the 70 year period mentioned in the Bible refers to the subjugation of the nations by the Babylonians, not the Jewish exile. I explain it in my video here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ2aomuAa8ijjLM The date 586/587 is not derived as a result of some conspiracy. The Neo-Babylonian era was one of the most well-documented eras in ancient history thanks to the widespread use of cuneiform documents, which provide an unbroken timeline for the kings of the period. We can therefore reliably date the years of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, and hence the destruction of Jerusalem. Incidentally, I am curious to know whether you are still a Jehovah's Witness, or perhaps a disfellowshipped JW who still believes the religion?

[@JamieBigham]

Brother John I was disfellowshipped 20 years ago because of lies. It took me many years to realize fully the WT is full of lies. But any honest person has to admit they are right about many things. 2 Chron 36:21 (good to read the surrounding context) says that Jerusalem lay desolate for 70 years after the destruction of the temple. Plain and simple man.

[@terencelutre6195]

The 2 clauses about the sabbath rest are a reference to another prediction found at Leviticus 26. Among other things this chapter forewarns that if the people did not obey the law of the sabbatical years (Leviticus 25) they would be scattered among nations and their land would be desolated. In this way the land would be allowed to "pay off its sabbaths" Lev: 26:34-35 The writer of the Chronicles understood the desolation of Judah to be a fulfilment of this curse predicted in the law of Moses. He therefore inserted this prediction from Leviticus 26 to dhow that it was fulfilled after the final deportation to Babylon, exactly as was predicted through Moses, "while you are in the land of your enemies". By inserting the 2 clauses from Leviticus 26, the Chronicler did not mean to say that the land enjoyed s Sabbath rest of 70 years, as this was not predicted, either by Moses or by Jeremiah. He does not tell explicitly how long it rested, only that "all the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath" As with Daniel, the main interest of the Chronicler was the return of the exiles, and therefore he points out that they had to remain in Babylonia until 2 prophecies had been fulfilled: 1 that of Jeremiah on the 70 years of supremacy "for Babylon", and 2 that in Leviticus on the desolation and Sabbath rest for the land of Judah. These prophecies should not be mixed up or confused. Not only do they refer to periods of different character and different lengths; they also refer to different nations. But as the 2 periods were closely connected in that the end of one period was contingent on the end of the other, the Chronicler, like Daniel, brought them together.

[@OpenDebate365]

Well stated Sir. I never thought "Jehovah Witness" and "are right" would ever be used in the same sentence. The fact that the extent of this dude's research in this video is "the internet" and "Alexa" is vexing at best. He might want to stick to Art.

[@timsimmk]

I'm confused about the fact that the Chronicler seems to interpret Jeremiah 25:11 as referring to captivity, as the Chronicler says that the people "became servants" (NIV etc.) after the destruction of Jerusalem.

[@holirumicsfriend]

John Cedars..you are absolutely correct!

[@CdnPIMO]

It was in CT Russell‘s “the divine plan of the ages“ book where he measured the length of the chambers to come up with 1914. So it’s completely irrelevant 587 versus 607. There were two sages, technically, but it’s all about application of scripture and trying to shoehorn 1914 to fit that doesn’t fit. it’s an irrelevant argument. The seven years war is considered the first world war. More people died then and more countries were involved. The Napoleonic wars were also considered to have more people dying and more people and more countries involved than the World War I. World War I was just called that for propaganda and marketing purposes.

[@JamieBigham]

I didn’t make the video to prove or disprove 1914.

[@JimCampbell777]

The "Internet" doesn't say anything...why would you use nomenclature like this? Simply quote your source...and I don't mean 'wihipedia. Wikipedia has its sources located at the bottom of the articles...so quote those.

[@AP-bt6of]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/ancient-middle-east/babylonia. First thing i found on Google.

[@cthorpe1978]

A group of bethel janitors and waiters know more than all the historians and scientists. Sounds legit.

[@JamieBigham]

Lol

[@teamexpress851]

1 Corinthians 1:26 - 31 The Message (MSG) 26-31 Take a good look, friends, at who you were when you got called into this life. I don’t see many of “the brightest and the best” among you, not many influential, not many from high-society families. Isn’t it obvious that God deliberately chose men and women that the culture overlooks and exploits and abuses, chose these “nobodies” to expose the hollow pretensions of the “somebodies”? That makes it quite clear that none of you can get by with blowing your own horn before God. Everything that we have-right thinking and right living, a clean slate and a fresh start-comes from God by way of Jesus Christ. That’s why we have the saying, “If you’re going to blow a horn, blow a trumpet for God.” www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1%3A26+-+29&version=MSG Matthew 11:25 - 26 The Message (MSG) 25-26 Abruptly Jesus broke into prayer: “Thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth. You’ve concealed your ways from sophisticates and know-it-alls, but spelled them out clearly to ordinary people. Yes, Father, that’s the way you like to work.” www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+11%3A25&version=MSG Therefore, when Chris Thorpe stated that; " A group of bethel janitors and waiters know more than all the historians and scientists. Sounds legit. "... From JEHOVAH / YAHWEH God's standpoint, yeah, it actually does. ;-)

[@karenknight9554]

Chris Thorpe sounds very familiar to fishermen knowing more than Pharisees don’t you think

[@cthorpe1978]

Absolutely NOT. Despite the devotion and total compliance of millions of JW, the governing body are not Jesus. They frequently print in Watchtower Society magazines that they are uninspired and fallible, which means that when JW adhere to thousands of teachings and rules that cant be found anywhere in the bible...….they are worshipping man. How foolish it is to compare following these men to following Christ.

[@karenknight9554]

Chris Thorpe I’m sorry I didn’t mean to upset you by my comment. I can only speak for my own experience. As part of my truth finding process I wrote down all the words spoken by Jesus that are documented in the scriptures, quite often talking to other Christians I have found that there is a knowledge of some but not all and this cherry picking can lead to a fractured picture of Jesus’ teachings. I have personally found that the understanding of the witnesses most closely reflect the teachings of Jesus and the early Christians (as documented in the scriptures) when taken in their entirety. I have studied and cross referenced many translations. As a disciple of Jesus it is he I follow and pray to his father just as he explained was the proper way of prayer. I leave you in peace. Karen

[@Anzaldi1976]

What I have come across in reading Jeremiah is that everything is explained in Jeremiah 25:11,12. It tells us when 70 years are complete Babylon is punished. Every scholarly writing I’ve come across including coral Olaf Johnson’s book I believe shows that the The Babylonians were overtaken by the meads and Persians in 539. Jeremiah 25:11 tells us that servitude and desolation is the punishment not only for Judah and Jerusalem but for all the nations if they do not come under the yoke of Babylon. If they do they will remain in their land. You can find this evidence from Jeremiah chapter 25 all the way to chapter 29. The seventy year prophecy ends in 539, add 70 years and the prophecy starts in 609. Also pertinent to this discussion would be Jeremiah 29:10. God turns his attention to Babylon and to his people when the 70 years are completed. If you look in the 2011 watchtower there is an Article called when was ancient Jerusalem destroyed. They don’t even mention Jeremiah 25:12 and it’s a two-part article covering two month span. If that is not enough you have the Kings list, which watch towers own insight book, if you count backwards from 539 ends in 605 the first year of Nebuchadnezzar’s rule. Either way 607 is not the date for Jerusalem’s destruction. Anyway this is how I see it based on this evidence I presented. If there are any holes in this evidence I would love to see it! Thanks for the video

[@JerryJones1914]

Your research is good and correct.. 607 BC king Nebuchadnezzar father was still alive then he died 605 BC that year.

[@ThatGirl0930]

Jerusalem was destroyed in Nebuchadnezzar's 18th year, 587, which was Zedekiah's 11th year. The two 2011 WT articles still twisted, misquoted an left out information. They are too arrogant and wicked to admit it's all a sham.

[@andrewatson3992]

Well done! For me it's the story of Nebuchadnezzar in Dan ch 4, where in the end he praises the MOST HIGH GOD Jehovah/Yahweh, after he is restored to his reasonable mind and kingship. Obviously, the 7 times had passed OVER him was completed. Q: Was King Neb present in 1914 CE? A: If he was, he would have to have been 2,520 years older than he was when the interpretation of the prophecy was given to him. I have never seen a 2,520+ year old person. Have you? Therefore, since King Nebu was not present in 1914 CE, so all claims of that year and the claims of the year 1919 CE, never happened. Except that the 7 times pass OVER King Nebu, could he then praise Jah/Yah, the MHG. The prophecy was completed as originally stated. To add a secondary fulfillment to the prophecy is clearly going beyond what the scriptures say. No repeats in the prophecies of Noah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Zedekiah, or Daniel. Now, since all claims for 1914 CE,1919 CE, and 2,520 year misinterpretation are debunked, let's move on to 537 BCE. All parties agree here. The Romans destroyed the second temple in 70 AD, after dethroning the Persians. The Persians, under Cyrus, dethroned the Babylonians in 539 BCE. This confirms that Jah/Yah word is true, because he said he would bring Babylon into account the 70 year prophecy of Jeremiah. Adding 70 years back to 539, we get 609, not 607. Therefore, 537 fails. That leaves 607 BCE. If Nebuchadnezzar regnal year is 625, or 628, BCE, then you have to back up all the kingships of Babylon, Israel, Judah, Assyria, Egypt and Persia to confirm the history previously given. Or, we could turn to the meticulous documentation of Babylonians' cunieform tablets. Cunie meaning wedge and form meaning shape, by use of etymology, gives us the word cunieform. Each cunieform leaves absolutely no room to adjust forward, or backwards, in dating the everyday affairs of life in Babylon. From the lining up of constellations, which would take 1000s of years to repeat and business affairs, such as contracts, all are listed by the year the reigning king. Two methods are used to determine the accession years or non-accession years, depending on how the kingship was transitioned. All records bear that Nebuchadnezzar began to reign in 605 BCE and attacked Judah in his 18th year. Subtracting 18 from 605, leaves us with 587 BCE. Therefore, just as 537 BCE, 1914 CE, 1919 CE, and the misapplication of day-to-year principle to get 2,520 years all failed. The year 607 BCE fails as well. See VAT 4596 and btw, VAT is not an abbreviation for Vatican. The story of Nebuchadnezzar thus cleanly and clearly, demonstrates that 587 BCE is the best date to determine when Jersulam fell. How do we know for sure? The MHG, Jah/Yah sent a watcher to tell Daniel to tell us. In short, the bible says so.

[@takirid]

The Romans didn't defeat the Medes and Persians. It was the Greeks who defeated them. Rome defeated Greece.

[@djparsons7363]

You are not correct, 587 is NOT the year the Temple was destroyed, it was 607 BCE. Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians in 539 BCE. and the Jews were released two years later in 537 BCE. That ended the 70 year captivity which would have begun in 607 BCE. 1914 is a pivotal year in Bible chronology that fulfills Daniel's prophecy of the "Gentile Times" and reveals what would happen then. "Nation would rise against nation" became a reality when World War 1 broke out due to Satan and his demons being confined to the earth. Just because you can't understand the prophecy does NOT mean it isn't real and important. That's how we know when Jesus began ruling as King which marked the beginning of the "Last Days" and the start of his "Parousia" or "Presence".

[@D800Lover]

Four Bible writers cannot be wrong, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezra and Zechariah. Indeed Ezra wrote his account after 537 BC and he *KNEW* the correct time period and he records these words, which makes it certain the Jerusalem was *DEVASTATED* during that 70 years: "He [Nebuchadnezzar] burned down the house of the true God, tore down the wall of Jerusalem, burned all its fortified towers with fire, and destroyed everything of value. He carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign, to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah, until the land had paid of its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years." Please note the critical phrase: *"until the land had paid of its sabbaths."* Something was owed to God! It had to be paid. Every seventh year was a Sabbath year and that year was not to be harvested and the land would recuperate, it would lie fallow. They had to trust God, have faith that God would provide a bumper harvest the year before the seventh year. Since the end of the reign of Solomon, it seems that the Israelites had not kept the Sabbath year and hence God viewed that this was *"owed"* to him. We have a period of around 500 years and that meant that, divide that by seven, we end up with around 70 Sabbath years were owed to God. So 490 divide by 7 = 70 years owed. That meant the land needed to be *DEVASTATED* and no harvest for 70 years. Hence: *"All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years."* *THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE LAND OF ISRAEL WAS DESOLATE AND DEVASTATED FOR A FULL 70 YEARS!* Actually, this has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses, they simply are pointing at the fact *EXACTLY* as it says.

[@arrellehnisrael8229]

Yet they miss the fact that the GENTILES are the NORTHERN KINGDOM of Israel who were cast away by GOD. The prodigal son parable is about the 2 divided Kingdoms. FACT. Israelites were in captivity during EVERY WORLD EMPIRE. FACT! JOEL and all the prophets, prophecy that GOD will JUDGE ALL NATIONS for what they did to ISRAELITES... FACT! If ALL NATIONS are guilty of ENSLAVING and SCATTERING Israelites then the Israelites are which race of people... uh oh... we don't want to go there!!!

[@rigatonijacobs]

Zechariah 1:1 In the eighth month in the second year of Da·riʹus, the word of Jehovah came to the prophet Zech·a·riʹah... This corresponds with 519 b.c.e. this also seems to signal the end of the 70 years. This also corresponds with secular historical data of 587 being the start of the prophecy.

[@rigatonijacobs]

@David Berkowitz you are correct to say they were no longer in exile to babylon but the idea is the land refused to let up for the 70 years and was resting from giving any fruit from cultivation.

[@gaymiller09]

Lol... I knew as soon as I saw the title of this video that you were going to be slammed with haters. Do yourself a favor and ignore everybody on KZbin and continue your study efforts towards finding the truth because the truth will out. The thing I like about Jehovah's witnesses though is that when they find out they have been wrong about something they will correct it and acknowledge it and keep on striving for the truth themselves.

[@JamieBigham]

Thanks GG! Yes the truth will out! Isnt that what Jesus said? You cant hide a light under a basket. Let it shine before men.

[@jamieangel3766]

They've been wrong a lot huh? Shame God keeps revealing stuff wrong to the GB. No more types and antitypes. No more generation that will never die. Now its the overlapping generation. When that runs out expect some more 'new light' from the BS artists in Warwrick

[@MandelaAustralia]

But never apologize for it! Lives have been lost and broken because of them and never once have they apologized! Every religion is founded on some truth as a lure and that is about the best that I can grant the JW's!

[@01Mary02]

Seriously? I can't think of one single doctrine where they've openly acknowledged that they were WRONG, apologized for it and stopped demanding that the R&F believe whatever 'noo lite' they decide to come up with next.

[@MandelaAustralia]

roger schmidt Whatever was in the water there it certainly left them with a thirst for control!

[@janicecox1143]

I looked into this. The British Museum as the largest collection of Babylonian artefacts and they kept excellent records. One awake mag actually states 587 BC when listing the reigns of some of the kings and the length of years they reignedWhen a king died NHS was allocated the whole year to his reign even if it was the beginning of the year. The new King would not count that year but it was referred to as his ascent ion year check out the kings from David and you get 587bc

[@johnnylnowlin]

BEROEAN.ORG - Very interesting!

[@rosiegarcia7842]

+Henry Santiago the wachtower is part of the bible two what do you have against a magazine that is made by bible principles as well .

[@theshadow532]

Janice Cox That would still put it at 606 not 587

[@jont39]

you are joking right, when you go to the British museum you'll see so clearly how the Babylonians lied about the angel's killing 185,000 soldier's, sennacharibs death, covering up burning of their temples and how in their writings they suffered no defeats. i don't know about you but I'll stick to what the bible says about a people who show the faults and failings they have.

[@theshadow532]

live let liv They suffered some kind of defeat they ceased being a world power. Most world powers edit their history because they always wanted to be viewed as a great successful nation, even the US. To admit to this history will be taken as weak and other nations will begin to attack them. So they lie about their defeats. Also you must understand that the bible is a book of faith that sometimes support history but not to be taken as a pure history book. it may line up with some historical events but is mainly a book of faith. meaning God knows the history of this world a whole lot better then mankind.

[@janetaylor439]

......... "THE NATION'S WILL HAVE TO KNOW THAT I AM JEHOVAH." Ezekiel, 25, 17.

[@JamieBigham]

Didnt the JW's publish a book with that title in the 70's?

[@stevenprestidge]

Jamie Bigham yes They have got a book called that

[@akatheheretic3014]

Yes , and the nations will ALSO know that the Watchtower Society . . is a Organization of FALSE PROPHETS !!! 😫😵😝😒 😏

[@bdub3216]

aka the Heretic THANK YOU FIR SAYING WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID

[@akatheheretic3014]

@@bdub3216 You're quite welcome. :):)

[@55fixcom]

Jaimie, I would have preferred to send you a private message as there are more than a few commenters here very eager to try to tear apart everything you or I say on this subject. And I do not wish to spend my time arguing with those who will never be open to any reasonable line of tho't or agreement & often resort to unpleasant speech & insults. WHY is it so important to take people's attention away from & discredit 607 BCE ? Because of its connection to other key prophecies: 1. The identification of the year the Messiah would begin his work (29 CE) & then be "cut off" (33 CE) is linked to the date when the order to rebuild Jerusalem began to be fulfilled, the end of the Abrahamic covenant of special favor when non-Jews would be invited to follow Jesus. This prophecy (the 70 weeks of years) also mentions the second destruction of the Temple which occurred in 70 CE by the Romans. Daniel 9:20-27 2. More directly, the first fulfillment of Nebuchannezar's dream of the tree being chopped down was the King's 7 years of insanity. The secondary fulfillment is the "7 times" of years when Jerusalem's trampling by the nations begins with the destruction of 607 BCE & runs to 1914 when all the signs of the last days which Jesus spoke of at Matthew 24 begin. This is verified by Rev 6. The strong indications of this I will discuss with you by private message. Within 104 years we have seen relatively "normal" times broken by WW1, Russian revolution, the end of numerous monarchies & Empires, Spanish Flu, Great Depression, WW2, Cold War, revolution in China, Korean war, the rise of the drug & 'free' sex culture, Viet Nam, Cambodian genocide, numerous revolutions, civil wars, 2 Iraq wars, Afganistan war, many USA "interventions", increase in earthquakes, food shortages with price increases, increasing earthquakes, & climate change with unusually strong storms & freakish weather, the threat of Nuclear war, & genetic tampering. All this in the historically very brief time of 104 years. What a coincidence! Incidentally, several prominent theologians (non-JW) thought 1914 was a marked year according to their Bible research. The cost of the human war on the environment alone threatens continued Life on this planet. Believing that these aren't the "Last Days" & that God will not eventually & dramatically intervene is unreasonableness bordering on willful blindness.

[@cynthiaharney7113]

Debbie He has been on earth like you said but was thrown to the earth to cleanse the heavens. All angels have access to the earth. Satan would go back and forth at his own accord with no instruction from God. Satan wanted to try all men from following God. Some like Job in the book of Job were protected. There when questioned by God he said he was roving about in the earth. During this time he had access to try men and to try and fool the angels to follow him. This ended at the end of the Gentile times which was around the time the situation on the earth changed. It was a marked year by PROPHECY and through recognition of the PROPHECY that Jesus gave in Matthew 24. Both these together show that the end times began. In Revelation the PROPHECY shows that there was a battle in heaven and this was by Michael and his angels. At this point Satan could no longer be in the heavens. The heavens were cleansed once and for good. Now began a period of anger by Satan. He could concentrate his efforts on earth. Woe for the earth began. Since the year 1914 these woes began. This was the marked year when Jesus began to reign in the heavens when his first big task was to cleanse the heavens. I am sure there has been battles fought by mankind since this period because we are all being guided to the end time battle for those dwelling on the earth. Only our CREATOR knows the exact time for this battle. When Jesus' life was restored and he went to heaven, he began the time when he sat at the right hand of his father. He was waiting for the end of the Gentile times when there was no one ruling on the earth appointed by God. It began at the end of this period, the marked year. So now we await the last battle before the rest of the 1,000 year reign of Michael. At the end of this period there will be one last battle because some will have not proven there allegiance to God. These are those that will be resurrected to be taught the truth of God. This will be done by opening the new scrolls mentioned in Revelation. Once this battle is fought there will never have to be any more battles. Any, after this time that try to go their own way will be taken care of swiftly. There is no more need to see who has the right to rule over mankind. All has been proven.

[@cynthiaharney7113]

Debbie When did you become the JW bookkeeper?

[@cynthiaharney7113]

Debbie. It is a very personal responsibility to do most everything that is required as a Christian. When did you go on your own to help any victim in all the world's disasters? When was the last time you took the responsibility upon yourself to make any effort to go preach about God's Kingdom as the only hope for true peach and security for mankind. It is a commandment. Go and make disciples for yourselves. It goes deeper than just haphazard preaching. It is always easy to say it is the preachers, but we are all commanded. When was your church organized to do this preaching? If not your preacher is not doing his job. We are all commanded to help the needy and orphans, as well as the widows. EVERYTHING IS A CHRISTIANS RESPONSIBILITY. If the governments were doing their job, then there would be no hunger. If every Christian did their job their would be no hunger. When there are disaster JW's are usually the first on the scene and not just to help their members with food and clothing but rebuilding homes for theirs, but for any in need. Bet you didn't know that. They are always prepared for that. Where do you think the money comes for that. It came out of the donations made for the world wide work. You see, those contributions JW's make come from 2 separate boxes. One is for the upkeep of our local halls. This is done from our own pockets. The other is for the world wide work. We contribute to both. There are lots of things that go on in the background that nobody thinks about. Most people only hear what the donations are. Do you think it just sits there lining pockets. This is for helping the needy. They help in what is needed for each country. Each country helps in any way possible. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Do you want a parade to go ahead of us or our tooting a horn to say we did such and such or this and that. Do you think that there are a lot of contributions made for the preaching work. Besides from the JW's own donations, there is not so much as you would think. Every once in a while someone might. It mostly comes out of the members own budget. As most know there are Halls built all over the world and it requires money too. There are lots of things needed to hep. Do you remember Michael Jackson sang a song "Man in the Mirror", and that is the way it should be for everyone. No one religion can take care of the situations going on in the world by themselves. One of the identifying marks of the last days is food shortages. It is something we can not completely do away with for now. That is why we need the Kingdom with Jesus reigning. The greedy will not be then and the earth will be blessed. There won't be hunger anymore. Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth. Meek people can be taught under the Kingdom rule. There will not be goats there because they will hinder God's purpose for mankind. They would argue and complain, then do as they wanted things. When the wicked are gone the earth will flourish. When you and yours find a better solution let me know.

[@teamexpress851]

Debbie stated in part: " Jehovah Witnesses believe that Satan was cast to earth in 1914 another lie,how can that be when Satan was in the garden and tempted Eve to eat of the fruit ? " You are in serious error due to the fact that you are only stating HALF of the truth concerning what JW's believe about 1914. The WHOLE truth of the matter is that JW's believe that the Bible reveals that Satan was cast out of Heaven to Earth in 1914 C.E AND COULD NO LONGER RETURN TO HEAVEN EVER AGAIN FROM 1914 ONWARD (in other words, 1914 was the year that the Devil was FOREVER BANISHED FROM HEAVEN). Why are you NOT including THAT PART of what JW's are proclaiming concerning 1914? If you KNEW that part and are deliberately withholding it then it makes you a malicious slanderer. However if you sincerely DID NOT know this then it simply makes you MISINFORMED. Knowing the WHOLE TRUTH about what JW's believe concerning 1914 is what will help you to SEE that what they are saying is 100% in harmony with the scriptural Truth of what you already know about Satan the Devil having been in the garden and tempted Eve to eat of the fruit. Understand Debbie? Get out your copy of the Bible and see for yourself what Revelation 12:7, 8 says regarding this... of which I quote: " And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, NOR WAS A PLACE FOUND FOR THEM ANY LONGER IN HEAVEN. " ~ Revelation 12:7, 8 This great Heavenly War COULD NOT have taken place BEFORE the time period of the faithful man Job (who obviously lived far AFTER the time period of Adam & Eve) because the 1st Chapter of the Book of Job shows that Satan the Devil entered into a meeting that God was holding in Heaven with His angels and when God questioned Satan about where he came from Satan replied to God that he had come “From roving about on the earth and from walking about in it.” (Job 1:7) So obviously Satan the Devil at one time could gain access between both Heaven AND Earth (ergo him being in the Garden of Eden during the time of Adam & Eve), but when 1914 C.E came that Great War in Heaven occurred (unseen by mankind on Earth), Satan and his horde of rebel angels (demons) lost that War, got thrown out of and FOREVER BANISHED from Heaven and cast down and confined to Earth. Do you understand Debbie? This is confirmed by the continuation of Revelation where it is written and I quote: " So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. " ~ Revelation 12:9 Revelation reveals that the "original serpent" (the one who misled Eve in the Garden of Eden) was none other than Satan the Devil himself (he used a serpent in Eden as a ventriloquist uses a dummy to make it appear as though the dummy is speaking). The Revelation also reveals that AFTER the Great War in Heaven and Satan and his demonic horde's eternal BANISHMENT from it that they were cast down to our planet Earth. Verse 10 of Revelation Chapter 12 reveals that AFTER the BANISHMENT of Satan and his demons from Heaven and their being thrown down to and confined to our planet Earth, the long awaited and prayed for ESTABLISHMENT OF GOD'S HEAVENLY KINGDOM GOVERNMENT WITH CHRIST'S ROYAL ENTHRONEMENT AS KING TOOK PLACE!.. And I quote: " NOW have come to pass the salvation and the power AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD AND THE AUTHORITY OF HIS CHRIST, because the accuser of our brothers HAS BEEN HURLED DOWN, who accuses them day and night before our God! " ~ Revelation 12:10 Because Heaven was now FOREVER CLEANSED of Satan and his rebel demon horde, all those who reside in Heaven were VERY GLAD / HAPPY (as you can imagine)! However, the Revelation goes on to reveal that the start of the establishment of the Heavenly Kingdom Government and the royal ENTHRONEMENT of Christ would bring great WOE / MISERY to Earth and mankind due to the Devil and his demons having been thrown down from Heaven and confined to our planet... And I quote: " On this account BE GLAD, you heavens and you who reside in them! WOE FOR THE EARTH and for the sea, BECAUSE THE DEVIL HAS COME DOWN TO YOU, having GREAT ANGER, knowing that he has A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.” ~ Revelation 12:12 Why was Satan and his demons cast down to and confined to our Planet Earth (as opposed say the moon or any other planet or place)? Because it was HERE ON EARTH that the Devil caused mankind to rebel against God and question His universal right to be our absolute ruler and it therefore will be HERE ON EARTH that God's universal Sovereignty is VINDICATED! It STARTED here on earth and shall be FINISHED here on Earth. Ever since 1914 C.E we / mankind has been living in the "SHORT PERIOD OF TIME" that Satan Satan knows he has left (Rev 12:12). In other words Debbie, these are THE FORETOLD "LAST DAYS" OF SATAN THE DEVIL'S GLOBAL MAYHEM! THIS IS WHY Jesus Christ taught his followers to PRAY that God's Kingdom Government COME which would cause God's WILL (what He wants) to be caused HERE ON EARTH JUST AS IT IS IN HEAVEN! YOU PRAY FOR THIS DEBBIE!!! It's time to wake up. You are actually asking/ begging, praying for God to cleanse our planet Earth of Satan, his demon horde and ALL wickedness from Earth, JUST AS HE DID IN HEAVEN. Understand? :-D Our Lord, Master, Savior and King Jesus Christ (God's only begotten SON) gave his followers a global COMPOSITE sign to be on the watch for which would let us know for a certainty that his foretold royal Heavenly ENTHRONEMENT as the King of God's Kingdom Government had taken place and his faithful apostles even went so far as to provide us with how the prevailing ATTITUDES of the majority of mankind would be during this time period. I will happily provide YOU with the information regarding THE COMPOSITE SIGN OF CHRIST'S HEAVENLY ENTHRONEMENT so you can SEE it for yourself (you've been in fact seeing it ALL YOUR LIFE but just haven't been alerted to the great significance of what you've been seeing). Do you want me to show you FROM THE BIBLE the composite sign of Christ's Heavenly enthronement Debbie? If you respond "yes" I will happily show it to you FREE OF CHARGE in my reply to you. However, if you respond "no" and or do not respond to this at all, I will not. Therefore I ask you again my fellow human being Debbie, do you want me to show you FROM THE BIBLE the composite sign of Christ's Heavenly enthronement? Yes or no? Thank you kindly.

[@55fixcom]

Every grade school believer in Jesus knows that Satan was in Eden. Satan also had free access to Heaven & Earth as shown by Job 1:6 & 7. Satan was on Earth to personally tempt Jesus after his baptism. All these are easy to understand scriptures, so are the following. But at a certain point in time Satan, the "Great Dragon," was expelled from Heaven & cast down & restricted to to the Earth, Rev 12:7-10. The cleansed heavens were now ready to establish the Kingdom gov't headed by Christ & his apostles. Don't allow your dislike of JWs to lead you to see contradictions where there are none or to cause you to refuse to be willing to reason on these clear Bible statements of fact. If you consider JWs to be your religious competitors or enemies, remember that Jesus said to "love your enemies." And if you Do have the correct understanding of the Bible, isn't it your DUTY to share your knowledge with all the people in your neighborhood, even going to their door out of love for your neighbor's lives & those of their children....even tho' it is a difficult task ? JWs have....every single accessible home possible, in 235 different lands. We start when young & don't retire until disability or death. If God were not helping us, this work would fall apart, as did the efforts of several other churches. With respect, where is your Love? Where is your ministry? Is it only among your acquaintances or when it is convenient, or when you just happen to meet somebody? Show your faith & love of neighbor by your works. Surely, if your heart is sincere God will help you, & all things are possible with God. I invite you to come knock on my door. But you have to sift thru' a lot of people to find me. Some of us will eventually find you. We'd be glad to answer all your sincere questions from your own Bible.

[@argumentumtv8132]

It really doesn't matter. None of us have the hermeneutical leeway to derive a "greater fulfillment" from Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a tree. The text simply doesn't permit us to go beyond the predictions Daniel was inspired to give to the king at that time about his (Nebuchadnezzar) reign. Christ & his apostles admonished us to avoid teachings of his second coming (parousia) prior to the Great Tribulation (Matt ch24 v1-31) as well as teachings that the resurrection/rapture had already occurred - which is set to take place after his second coming. (2 Timothy ch2 v17-18). We don't need numerology. The Bible was written for farmers and fishermen. It's simple.

[@johnnylnowlin]

BEROEAN.ORG - Very good point

[@jerryshunk7152]

Argumentum TV Apparently You have not observed Biblical Mathematics which is in the Bible. book of Daniel 9. as well as others. Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth.

[@argumentumtv8132]

What on earth is "Biblical mathematics"...? That's like saying "Apparently you didn't add the apostle Paul on Facebook." I observed the historicity as to how JW came up with the 1914 idea...as well as many exegetes JW later changed...and truth doesn't change last time I checked. And such a handling of the divine text is only found prototypically with the Pharisees & Sadducees...sticking to the "traditions of men". (Assuming you're familiar with that text) Jesus Christ is the Truth and the only mediator between man and God. Stick to your Bible. And try reading it without adding in your sectarian assumptions. It's amazing how many doctrines you'll find falling to the wayside. That goes for all Judeo-Christian based theological communities. Understand...if you are claiming that the First Resurrection has happened in any capacity, you are guilty of apostasy according to Paul. (2 Tim ch2 v17-18). That's why I left the organization. No Great Trib > No Parousia > No Resurrection of Anointed (1 Thess ch4 v15-17).

[@rosiegarcia7842]

you don't know your bible the way you should every thing in the bible is for our benefits to learn about God's word . that is the thuth God dose not lie .

[@rroderick7164]

What unsound reasoning! Think of it, folks. The first resurrection has to happen some time. To say that a statement made 2,000 years ago, without question, still applies now, is like saying there will never be a first resurrection. Think. We need to look at prophecies taking place around that statement, before playing God, and saying 2,000 years later, we KNOW it still hasn't occurred. Here's one: and commonly read, "Thy will be done on earth as it IS in heaven." - Mt 6:10 (KJV) Think about the translating dilemma there. Could Jesus really say God's will IS done in heaven, when 65 years later Jesus, thru John, still referred to the Devil's [and demons] ouster from heaven as a yet future event? (Re 1:1; 12:9) Were the Devil and demons' presence part of God's "will" for heaven? Or rather, was it, in Jesus' day, the way the NWT reads?: "Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth." It's a request, not an [inaccurate] description of heaven, yet to be cleaned up in the future!

[@leticiatrevino8244]

i'm so glad you are a leader, didn't just take any ones word, you did your own research and found the truth regarding the exile being 70 years, and finding what year was correct which was 607 BCE. There is so much truth in the Bible that you will find. Proverbs 2: 3-6 (3 Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment; 4 If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; 5 Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God. 6 For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; From his mouth come knowledge and discernment. ) This is what you did! Keep it up!

[@JamieBigham]

Thank you for your encouraging words. How are you doing?

[@LisaForTruth]

Nope; the Bible is riddled with falsehoods. However, it is right about the seventy years. Only an idiot would lie about that. Again, read 2 Kings 24-25.

[@LisaForTruth]

@jim doe yeah, and I'm the queen of England; hahaha. You are fools if you believe WT, and double fools if you believe the Bible. You have NO clue what that book's about! Come to my channel and learn the truth. You can't even begin to understand the Bible. Tell me something, tough guy: if god is so all-powerful, why doesn't he just show himself? That would get the atheists and agnostics to believe, although I still wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire.

[@arrellehnisrael8229]

There are no falsehoods I the Bible. Plenty in history books of the modern day governments. I bet you aren’t debunking those historical records. Did Columbus discover America? No one ever discusses the books that were taken out of the Bible... and how they actually help bring greater understanding. For example... the Garden of Eden is a parable for Jerusalem. The trees of the Garden are parables for nations. The serpent is simply the characteristic of a person... The Bible interprets this itself in the book of Ezekiel. Adam was simply the first person chosen by God... not the first human created. The other people were called BEASTS. The Bible describes this itself in various scriptures. The Bible literally explains itself and still it remains the only book on earth allegedly “debunked” by people who have NEVER read it entirely.

[@LisaForTruth]

@@arrellehnisrael8229 I have read it entirely; that's why I know it's nonsense. You cannot even begin to understand the Bible without understanding the culture in which it was written. Is your faith so weak it can't withstand the truth? The Exodus never happened, Your Bible is full of falsehoods written by men; get over it

[@D800Lover]

Jamie, please understand that regal changeover years are counted twice, the last year of one king becomes the first year of the following king. This is common throughout Biblical chronology and tricks some less experienced up. There are no missing years if you take that into account.

[@Stan_144]

70 years was not a time of the exile but the time of Babylonian rule in the region. Jeremiah 29:10 : "This is what the Lord says: “When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my good promise to bring you back to this place."

[@weeyakkawonga6243]

Sir, please try reading the whole chapter in context.

[@EXJW-ACTIVIST]

@@weeyakkawonga6243 Whole chapter in context speaks just that what Stan D just said.

[@weeyakkawonga6243]

@@EXJW-ACTIVIST 2 Chronicles 36:21, Zechariah 1:12, Jeremiah 25:12

[@weeyakkawonga6243]

@@EXJW-ACTIVIST 70 years of Jewish Exile, not 70 years of Babylonian domination.

[@travelsociety]

Wow this video is a life saver, atleast i learn something about the Final destruction of Jerusalem:) i need to review this video more and more until i finally comprehend all the information because im autistic and have difficulties in learning. God bless you Man❤❤

[@ChrisPyle]

I love how no one realizes how easy it is to use the Bible to prove these dates. We have the history of the Jewish kings, and the kings in Babylon. We have names and dates mentioned in the Bible that all make sense. Secular understanding matches the Bible perfectly. The date of 607 is two years before Nebuchadnezzar became king. Saying he had been king for 18 or 19 years is just laughable. Here’s a little fun bible fact. The first king of Israel to be imprisoned by him was King Jehoiakim during his 7th year. He spent 37 years in jail until released in 560 by the Babylonian king Marduk. See Jeremiah 52. He was only on the throne 2 years until he died in 560. After he (Jehoiakim) was imprisoned, we know that king zedekia ruled for 11 years before Nebuchadnezzar came back and destroyed the temple in his 18th year, or 11 years after the first time. We also know he was 21 when he became king, so do we know when he was born? Yes! 618! That means. 605 was the start of Nebuchadnezzar’s rule, 587 for the temple and the punishment started in 609, not the destruction of the temple in 587. The decree that freed the Jews was in 539. So 607 is only 68 years anyway. So it’s not from temple to temple, but from god letting them lose in battle in 609, to them being freed in 539. Easy!

[@algraca2793]

Hi Jaime, let's consider some facts from the bible. Jeremiah 25:11,12 states that the Jews would have to serve the King of Babylon for seventy years. Jeremiah 38:17also states that if the Jews under Zedekiah would continue to serve Babylon then the city would not be burned. Jeremiah 27:11 also assures Israel that if they will serve Babylon then Jehovah will allow them to remain in the land and till it. There was no need for a general exile or for the city and temple to be burned, only that they serve the king of Babylon which meant submission and taxes, tribute etc. In 607 Nebuchadnezzar had laid siege to Jerusalem, at which time his father died and Nebuchadnezzar was crowned king, he sacked Jerusalem, took tribute and took Daniel and his friends captive to Babylon. see also Daniel 2:1 Jehoikim had been ruling Israel but Nebuchadnezzar deposed him and set his son Jehoikin on the throne, When Jehoikin rebelled he was deposed and taken to Babylon, notice he was released 37 years later, 2 Kings 25:27-29 and Zedekiah was put on the throne, he ruled for 11 years After Nebuchadnezzar first sacked Jerusalem, 19 years later in 587, the Jews under Zedekiah rebelled for the third time and Jerusalem and the temple and city were burned. All Jews were then exiled to Babylon, Josephus says 50 years ending in 539 BC In 539BC the Medes and Persians overthrew Babylon and Darius the Mede was made king. Daniel had served his entire 70 years of captivity at Babylon, the prophecy was accurate and complete. If the JW timeline is true, then Daniel would have served 90 years captivity and servitude, as they have the destruction of the temple in 607, 19 years before in in 626 would have been when Daniel was taken and Jerusalem would have paid tribute to Nebuchadnezzar. That would be 90 years of servitude, the bible clearly says Jehovah said 70 years. Hence the 1914 date is in error by 19 years. I could add much more but lets start here. Jamie i wish you well, but please consider your errors. blessings al

[@ChangedWayz]

Nebuchanazzar's 37 year was 568 according to outstanding astronomical mapping. thus the 19 year of Nebuchanazzar was in 587/586 BC.. ..and that according to 2kings was when Jerusalem was captured.

[@billjones261]

Following the siege of 597 BC, the Neo-Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar installed Zedekiah as tributary king of Judah, at the age of 21. However, Zedekiah revolted against Babylon, and entered into an alliance with Pharaoh Hophra, the king of Egypt. Nebuchadnezzar responded by invading Judah and began a siege of Jerusalem in December 589 BC. In 586 BC, after completion of the eleventh year of Zedekiah's reign, Nebuchadnezzar broke through Jerusalem's walls, conquering the city. Zedekiah and his followers attempted to escape but were captured on the plains of Jericho and taken to Riblah. There, after seeing his sons killed, Zedekiah was blinded, bound, and taken captive to Babylon, where he remained a prisoner until his death. After the fall of Jerusalem, the Babylonian general, Nebuzaraddan, was sent to complete its destruction. Jerusalem was plundered, and Solomon's Temple was destroyed. Most of the elite were taken into captivity in Babylon. The city was razed to the ground. Only a few people were permitted to remain to tend to the land. The Watchtower Corporation got nothing right because historical archeology tells the real truth to what actually occurred. The 70 years of desolation was said by the prophet Daniel figuratively because 7 or 70 is a sacred number in relevance to their god YHWH and to his chosen people the ancient Hebrews.

[@gabrielrider3099]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the 70 years is "figurative" or some convoluted "round number" (??) or whatever DESPERATE GIBBERISH you just burped about it, to get around the Biblical facts and statements and chronology, sir. This is what happens when people PUT SO MUCH IDIOTIC STOCK IN SECULAR ANALYSIS yet STILL CLAIMING to "believe the Bible". At the same time. If 537 B.C. was the return of the Jews and rebuilding etc, then going back 70 years LANDS YOU at 607 B.C. NOT "587" or "586". No tortured ways to try work around that or force-fit the secularly-accepted date or to dance around that ever succeed. Even secular historians have said that the word "circa" should be used more often, because some have admitted that their dates are not really so precise. What you and yours do (because of being so ANTI-WITNESS NEUROTIC) is DISHONEST and DESPERATE...and even DERANGED. 607 to 537 B.C. is 70 years. It's really (after all is said and done) THAT SIMPLE. The Watchtower (as usual) is right about things, in GOING BY THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, the infallible History Book, and not ever-shaky ever-flaky worldly pagan secular historians or "scholars". Good day.......

[@JulieB12341]

The biggest reason I think JWs are right is that they are the only religion on earth that teaches that the human soul is NOT immortal. Just like the Ancient Hebrews taught based on the Bible The belief that the human soul is immortal can be traced back all the way to Ancient Babylon & further back to the days of Nimrod. Fascinating that soul holes have even been identified at Gobekli Tepe by some scholars supposedly the world's oldest temple Jesus never said "the true seed" would be perfect look at the apostles bickering & squabbling whilst Jesus was with them. So despite the heinous CSA issues which blight society & the WT & need to be addressed I'm glad I found the truth warts & all

[@JamieBigham]

Wasnt the concept of the immortal soul the first lie told in the Garden?

[@JulieB12341]

Jamie Bigham Yes exactly & it seems from early times Ancient religions that didn't worship Jehovah have been based on the afterlife - the Babylonians & the Egyptians were obsessed with death & their journey to the afterlife. Whereas the worshipers of Jehovah stood out as believing that the dead are dead asleep in God's memory & that all mankind awaited a future resurrection.

[@cynthiaharney7113]

JulieB12341 Way to go I have a doctor's appointment in a few hours and was going to ask to have one removed because so forgot to my last appointment.

[@cynthiaharney7113]

Debbie LOOK UNDER SOME OF THE WORLDS literature that are not entangled in any religion and they will tell you the origins of any holiday, and you will also find out how the early Christians felt out about these too. Some of Christmas beliefs go back to some of the false religions at the very start of humanity. The Jewish people involved themselves in pagan practices and God did not except this mixture of pagan practices in worship. Then on top today it is topped off with lies about these holidays and bring children into the practices through lies. How does God view lies. The Jews, when Jesus lived, were tied into the traditions of men. It really was not the law of God they practiced. They just wanted to turn the religion into what they wanted and not for the love of God. It was all self serving and became burdensome for the people. The leaders were blind leading the blind. These that did not along with the program were spoken of and treated abusively. They were ostrasized by the community. Sound familiar? Is that not how others treat Jehovah's Witnesses? The early Christians, as you can see in Galations 4 chapter, went back after becoming Christians to the same traditions. They were observing days and months and seasons and years. Paul felt he had just wasted his time by showing them what is wrong and they went back to their same life style they had before Paul helped. Today is the same. Like the saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Most of the time people already have their defences up and will not listen because they were told lies. Satan is really putting stumbling blocks in the way through lies. What other group of people is hated more than Jehovah's Witnesses? Why are there more divisions in Christiananity than any other religion? The answer is obvious. It is because it is the way to God. Satan hides the truth through lies. Leaving me a nasty comment over this just will confirm to me even more so, the truth. It also shows what kind of works this person has and who influences this person daily.

[@cynthiaharney7113]

roger no person from this side said it was. I hope you are not being paranoid, well, because no person from this side implied it or said it in regards to you.

[@JerryJones1914]

Others say the first deportation followed the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadrezzar in 586; if so, the Jews were held in Babylonian captivity for 48 years. Among those who accept a tradition (Jeremiah 29:10) that the exile lasted 70 years, some choose the dates 608 to 538, others 586 to about 516 (the year when the rebuilt Temple was dedicated in Jerusalem.... Your 70 years it’s between first temple and the second temple.

[@anthonylockhart1544]

Jamie Bigham,the WT didn't show you this information. Did the fall of Jerusalem happened in 607 BCE or 587/6.If we were to follow the below statements which was made by the WT 1955,2/1 pg.95 Questions from readers to start from the date of the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE by checking back of all the reigns of the Babylonian kings.So we have to check back from the last king of Babylon who was Nabonidus to Nebuchadnezzar. It is well to understand that all Bible chronology dates for events prior to 539 B.C. must be figured backward from the Absolute date of 539 B.C. WT 1955,2/1 pg.95 Nabopolassar reign 21 years from 626 BCE to 605 BCE Nebuchadnezzar reign 43 years from 605 BCE to 562 BCE Evil Merodach reign 2 years from 562 BCE to 560 BCE Neriglissar reign 4 years from 560 BCE to 556 BCE Labashi Murduk reign 9 months in 556 BCE Nabonidus reign 17 years from 556 BCE to 539 BCE In Jeremiah 52:12-14,2kings 25:8-10 Jerusalem fall in the 19 year of Nebuchadnezzar reign as king of Babylon. 539 + 17 = 556 + 4 = 560 + 2 =562 + 43 = 605 BCE 605 - 18 = 587 BCE or 605 - 19 = 586 BCE My question here how is the WT get 607 BCE as the date of the fall of Jerusalem when I am seeing it is 587/6 BCE when we calculate back from the reign of last Babylonian king Nabonidus to king Nebuchadnezzar from 539 BCE .

[@j.j.1064]

You have to calculate the year from when Elvis left the building and add a minute for an hour..a minute for an hour and let seven dwarfs pass over it and when the temple dining room serves grass just like a bull you will eat it and your nails will grow long. After a while a twig will sprout from out of the side of Elvis's guitar and turn into a huge tree and it's foliage will sway back and forth over the whole earth and the inhabitants will become terrified. After the seven dwarfs have passed over. You will hear a sound like that of an alarm clock waking you up and your eyes will become opened and and you will see the empty book or was it bottle of Jack Daniels on the floor next to the bed and you will see you best friend leaning over you and you will hear the voice like that of a best friend telling you that you have 3 days to tell the elders of what led to your experience. And you will have a feeling of dread that will consume you and remorse that you went to the party in disobedience to the gods who are seated in the thrones who have exclamation marks proceeding out of their mouths doing battle with the question marks coming from the mouths of the servants. But the question marks prevailed. Perhaps this clears up the misunderstanding.

[@sundance8862]

J. J. Epic response. So let it be written, so let it be done. Elvis: Thank you very much.

[@neoanderson7962]

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[@user-vo4wc2jz8g]

I know a prophet when I see one! 🙌

[@larrycourtney3647]

what I like about him is he's using Bible scriptures for his math he's accurate that's the way the witnesses did it people can say whatever they want but they're not using a Bible like him very nice job you read it right from God's word very good

[@JohnLomein]

What does 607 have to do with 1914?

[@misteranderson2850]

NO! Where does he get his original data? From Wikipedia. Witnesses are the first to deny Wikipedia's (or any other website) reliability when it benefits them to do so.

[@sorhu72]

The governing body used the bible to make prophecies, and it was a total failure each time, dumbasssssss

[@ssdsd5394]

@@JohnLomein In reality....nothing.... it doesn't mean anything. JW doctrine hinges on 1914 for "prophetic" reasons so they take the book of Daniel and more or less practice numerology to make a sum come out to 1914. But to do it.....they have to believe Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE. Originally they actually said 606....go figure 🙃 Now they say 607 to "correct" the math. It's all nonsense. Its a well documented archeological fact that 607 was pulled out of a hat. Most JWS couldn't explain their own doctrine on it though....they don't talk about it much because researching to see if it's BS is easy to do if you care to. Hope that helps answer your question. 😊👍

[@ssdsd5394]

@EVJR 772077 No... I actually had this outline and used to give the Public Talk for it. *Nobody but JWS* believe it was destroyed in 607. It's a demonstrable *fact* that is wrong and there are thousands of orginal Babylonian cuneiform tablets to prove it. I also have collected an extensive library of original publications going all the way back to CT Russell and Judge Rutherford. So I *can prove* what I said *AND* that they arrived at 1914 by using numerology off the Great Pyramid of Giza measurements. That's why the Nazis gave them a *purple triangle* I earned two different engineering degrees and learned to read and write 日本語 and Русский both since leaving that pedophile infested cult. WTF have you done with your life may I ask? (Certainly not master written English, obviously. 😝)

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

+Jamie Bigham Have you read "Gentile Times Reconsidered?" I don't think you have answered that question. If you have not read it why not?

[@JamieBigham]

Why should I subject myself to a LOAD OF CRAP?

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

+Jamie Bigham How do you know if it's crap if you haven't read it? Inform me why it's a load of crap, since you seem to be so sure. (although how could you since you haven't read it!) One of two things: you are afraid of being proven wrong, or you are still a WT controlled robot.

[@JamieBigham]

Hi Max. I am not scared of being proven wrong. And I am obviously not a WT robot if I have a beard. I read crisis of conscience, In search of Christian Freedom and other "apostate" literature. The reason I don't read it is because the people who have read it and tried to paraphrase it for me are blatantly contradicting what the bible clearly says. You can't believe in 587 and say you believe the bible is truthful. If you watch some of my other videos you will see I don't agree with many WT teachings.

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

+Jamie Bigham Please accept my apologies, I was out of line calling you a WT robot and I realize you do not agree with some WT teachings. However, I still think you should read Gentile Times Reconsidered for yourself, if for no other reason than it is fascinating and if you still disagree with it you could present a stronger case having read it. I'll leave it at that. Good day!

[@JamieBigham]

Very kind of you! That is a good a reason for reading Gentile Times if not to be better prepared to face my opponents and to be able to say I did read it and maybe even reach more people! One of my brothers actually did read the book years ago but I never really investigated the topic personally until recently when talking to a friend who brought up the subject. If I happen to get my hands on a copy I will be open to looking at it. Thank you Friend!!

[@OleScrappy]

You're a good man! So many people refuse to even say the name of God--Jehovah--yet his name has been found on graves in the first century, during the time of Christ Jesus--who is God's Son,, not the Almighty God, Jehovah. But also. Daniel prophesied their exile for 70 years under Babylon rule. And only those Jews who left willing, as Jeremiah told them to because Jerusalem would be destroyed. If they wanted to live they would leave as slaves willing to leave their homeland. Jehovah's anger because many of the Jews had turned to worshiping false gods of stone as did the nations surrounding them. Those who refused to believe Jeremiah--even trying to kill him--who refused, and stayed to fight died. 70 years later, Cyrus let a large group of faithful Jews leave, and even gave them what they needed to rebuild Jehovah's Temple. Jehovah's Witnesses know the seriousness of worshiping God. It's a daily way of life, just as back in the days of Moses, Abraham, and others. He, Jehovah, created all things, yet many people have no desire to even thank Him for all the wonders around us. Life is precious, and incredible. We too, have put faith is whatever religious leaders say, rather than look-up in the Scriptures what the real truth is for themselves. Sir...you speak the truth, using Scriptures, which is God's Word, written down under inspiration by Jehovah God Himself for our instruction.

[@TheJiminiflix]

JESUS CREATED ALL THIINGS READ John1 He Is Jehovah.

[@Monkeyshine911]

You're kidding, right? The English version of YHWH was created in the 13th century by a catholic monk. You people don't even know your own teachings. The Watchtower even confirms what I'm saying. Unbelievable. And EVERYONE knows the name jehovah. It's even in mainstream movies.

[@mymangobango3533]

An oledihard pfft! The name “Jehovah” was on graves in Jesus time! That’s hilarious, do your research before saying ridiculous lies. I know you jws are use to saying whatever fits your current doctrine regardless of the facts & your use to getting away with it but not this time.

[@max-mg7gk]

@@mymangobango3533 who was Jesus praying to if that's the case

[@mymangobango3533]

tor tilla uh Jesus could still pray to god without “Jehovah” supposedly scrawled on graves. What does that have to do with anything?

[@evansfrimpong3818]

The Bible Say's there are two type's of roads, the Broadway and the Narrow way. And only few people have found the Narrow way. Think Deep

[@JamieBigham]

Good point brother

[@arrellehnisrael8229]

No it’s not the truth. Just read 1 John 5:7-8 and see how Jehovah and Jesus were BOTH removed from those scriptures as witness bearers. Then verse nine of the same book makes Jehovah the greatest witness bearer. But how come he was removed from verse seven?? Also heaven and earth do not have the same witness bearers. They removed it because they foolishly believed 1 John 5:7 promotes the TRINITY. It does NOT promote the Trinity. It actually disproves the Trinity by promoting the TWO WITNESS LAW. If Jesus and Jehovah are the same person than His witness is not true. Therefore by removing the text the organization is guilty of breaking a biblical law and are doomed. They sinned against the HOLY SPIRIT. No forgiveness for that sin. NWT- Deuteronomy 4:2 *You must not add to the word that I am commanding you, neither must you take away from it...* NWT - Rev 22;18 -19 *I am bearing witness* to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 *and if anyone takes anything away* from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, *God will take his portion away from the trees of life* and out of the holy city, As you can see... no forgiveness. So you may as well leave now or be guilty with the rest. Or pretend you never heard this, become prideful, turn on your cognitive dissonance and die with them.

[@NilDreams]

I like the Broadway....I’ve seen a ton of musicals on that road. 😂😜

[@akatheheretic3014]

@@NilDreams😃😆🤣

[@florican]

@@arrellehnisrael8229 Jehovah and Jesus were incorrectly added to that verse. Early manuscripts did not mention them in that verse and most modern bibles have corrected it. So JWs have removed nothing.

[@мара-и8щ]

"If you keep seeking for it as for silver,And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah,And you will find the knowledge of God. For Jehovah himself gives wisdom;From his mouth come knowledge and discernment. He treasures up practical wisdom for the upright;He is a shield for those walking in integrity "Proverbs 2: 4-7👋🙂

[@charlierodriguez6701]

Why do Jehovah’s Witness believe only they will be saved in Armageddon?

[@мара-и8щ]

@@charlierodriguez6701 We never said that.🙂

[@charlierodriguez6701]

мара мир , you really have to read your literature, plus I called bethel to ask to make sure that’s the stand watchtower takes and they confirmed it. They believe 99.9% of the population will be killed by Jehovah and will become the fertilizer that the Jehovah’s Witnesses will use to grow their beautiful gardens In paradise

[@мара-и8щ]

@@charlierodriguez6701 Please indicate in which magazine you read this, year and month, please.🙂

[@robinsonm388]

@@charlierodriguez6701 I know what you mean, I've thought about it to but naaah! Lol thats crazy

[@anthonylockhart1544]

Jamie Bigham The 70 years was for Babylon servitude over the nations from 609BCE to 539BCE read Jer 25:11-26.

[@johnnylnowlin]

BEROEAN.ORG - Good point

[@johnminshell6532]

Yes but Josiahs Sons ruled for 22 years after His death in 609 BCE 609 - 22 = 587 bce temple destroyed Zedekiah hauled of to Babylon 19 th year Nebuchadnezzar Jer 52 : 2 Kings 25 : 2 Chronicles 36 :

[@dalehinds]

That scripture does not say 609 BC.

[@nildagarciasaldivar2026]

JEHOVAH IS THE TRUE GOD. NO OTHER, THIS IS THE TRUTH. PSALMS 83:18 THE WATCHTOWER HAS THE TRUTH

[@donald2306]

roger schmidt No Jehovah before 1270 huh? The name "Jehovah" was created by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order huh?...Hahahahahaha!!! I laugh every time I hear that. The following are the credentials of Nehemia Gordon, a Karaite Jewish Historian with a PHD in Jewish history and what he discoverd about the divine Name: Nehemia Gordon (1972 -) is arguably the best known Karaite Jew of this era. He was born to an Orthodox Jewish family with a long line of Rabbis, but rejected the Talmud and became a Karaite Jew as a teenager. Nehemia is a native of Chicago but has lived in Jerusalem, Israel since making Aliyah in 1993." Gordon is considered a Hakham, a religious leader of the Karaite Jewish communities, and until recently served on Universal Karaite Judaism's "Religious Council" (which represents Israeli Karaites), and on the Board of Directors of the ancient Karaite synagogue in Jerusalem. He is also a co-founder of the World Karaite Movement, a Karaite revival group. He coordinates Aviv searches each year and releases information on the crescent new moon sightings in Israel. From 2007 to 2008, Nehemia Gordon served in the position of Provost of the Karaite Jewish University. Gordon holds a Master's degree in Biblical Studies from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He translated texts contained in the "Dead Sea Scrolls Reader", was an assistant on the Dead Sea Scrolls Publication project coordinated by Emanuel Tov, and worked as a researcher on the Hebrew University Bible Project under the auspices of Shemaryahu Talmon. THE NAME OF THE TRUE GOD The Bible, Masoretic texts, and Hebrew language give us vital clues to the name of the one true God. The Greek empire, the Roman empire and the Rabbis have gone to great lengths to suppress this information however with very different motives in mind. The name of God is written as 4 Hebrew consonants: י ה ו ה Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey In some of our oldest complete manuscripts of the Hebrew bible such as the Aleppo Codex and Leningrad Codex, we find Y-H-V-H marked with the vowel pointings for YeHVaH. This comes from the practice of removing the middle vowel so that only the Sages who passed on the name by ear to the next generation would know the correct pronunciation. Nehemia Gordon, a Karaite discovered the name of God with all 3 vowel points in Ezekiel 28:22 and Psalm 68:27 of the Aleppo Codex. The full name appeared as YEHOVAH Evidence from the Hebrew Language The Hebrew root here is HYH, consisting of 3 forms of the verb ‘TO BE‘. Hayah - He was Hoveh - He is Yihyeh - He will be That is why when God spoke to Moses in the wilderness he introduced himself as Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh [Exodus 3:14]. This has been translated a variety of ways: I AM that I AM [KJV] I AM/ WILL BE what I AM/WILL BE [CJB] Hebrew names give us another clue to this mystery as all Hebrew names have a meaning. The name YEHOSHUA (shortened to Yeshua during the second temple period) is a compound of two Hebrew words. YeHo(VaH) the name of God and Yoshia meaning ‘will save’. This brings a whole new meaning to Matthew chapter 1 where we are told the Messiah’s name shall be Yeshua because he will save (Yoshia). When God’s name appears in a compound name first, the Yod-Hey is pronounced YeHo. When the name is compounded at the end it is pronounced YaHu, eg, MattitYaHu meaning gift of God. Evidence of YEHOVAH in the JPS So far 4 places have been identified in the Hebrew text of the JPS Student Edition where Yehovah can be found with all 3 vowel pointings. Leviticus 25:17, Judges 14:6, Judges 14:19, Judges 15:14. The title page to the 1611 King James Version (KJV) of the bible contains the name of God (very top centre of page). In the KJV we find the name JEHOVAH is used. See Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18. There is no J sound in Hebrew. In old English ‘j’ was intended to be an extended “i” sound being pronounced as “y”. Applying the old English pronunciation gives us the name YEHOVAH. Due to the differences between old and modern English we would now read it as JEHOVAH. Whenever we see ‘LORD‘ uppercase in the KJV, the original Hebrew text is displaying the consonants Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey. The reason why it says LORD is because of a ban on saying the name imposed by the Pharisees. Lord is a title, not a name. The following verses should give some insight into the importance of knowing God’s holy name, and into our duty to proclaim his holy name. And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth. Exodus 9:16 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent. Zephaniah 3:9 THE LOST TRIBES It is possible some of the lost tribes of Israel made their way to America before European expeditions. Cherokee Indians calling God by the name Yehovah and Yehowa is a striking coincidence. ……. HalleluYah (Praise Jehovah) ……. Reference Aleppo Codex Complete Jewish Bible King James Version Leningrad Codex Nehemia Gordon who has done extensive research into this topic.

[@donald2306]

roger schmidt I see no mention of any Catholic Monk named Raymundus Martini mentioned here. Only the Aleppo Codex and the Leningrad Codex which go back many centuries before Raymundus Martini with the 3 vowel points found in proper sequence as YeHoVaH or Jehovah in modern English. In fact, the divine name and its proper pronunciation in modern English is found at the beginning and/or at the end of many of the Hebrew names found in scripture with the proper vowel pointings in proper place : JEsus...................JE JErusalem............JE IsaiAH...................AH HezekiAH..............AH JEremiAH..............JE...AH JEpthAH.................JE...AH JEHOiakim..............JEHO JEHOshaphat..........JEHO JEHOAsh..................JEHOA If you are going to claim that there is no hard "J" in the English pronounciation of Jehovah, then you'll have to apply the same principle to all the Hebrew names that begin with the first part of the Tetragrammaton and use the same "J" that is found in the name Jehovah. For instance, you can now start calling Jesus YESUS, Jerusalem Yerusalem, Jeremiah Yeremiah, etc.

[@donald2306]

roger schmidt Your Catholic monk may have used the name, but he did not create it. That old information is based on what was known at the time it was written. Now all that information has been well expounded upon by Nehemia Gordon, and it shows the exact pronunciation in modern day English as Jehovah going back thousands of years. Jehovah's Witnesses are the most progressive Christian religion in the world. As they gain more accurate information from historians and archaeology and as they gain better understanding of scripture, they progress in their beliefs and teachings accordingly....something the churches of Christendom refuse to do and the reason they are still stuck in old pagan practices and traditions dating back to the days of Nimrod and ancient Babylon.

[@donald2306]

roger schmidt Who says the aid to bible understanding book was wrong? I didn't. The aid book states that the Catholic monk USED the name, not that he invented it. Opposers and apostates try to claim that the Catholic monk INVENTED it which is an outright lie! Anyway, there's no way for you to deny the proof that the divine name is Jehovah and that it is pronounced as Jehovah with a hard "J" in modern English just as the scriptures show it should be. Your attempt to deny the proper modern day English pronounciation of God's name with a hard "J" shows how desperate and dishonest you are because you refuse to use the exact same principle with biblical names such as Jehoiachim and Jehoshaphat, etc. which show you EXACTLY how the JEHO part of Jehovah's name is properly pronounced in modern English. Oh...and the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have had the divine name right from the word go would likely have something to do with Jehovah's spirit directing them to do so!

[@donald2306]

roger schmidt Listen pal...no matter how you twist and grovel, it's an undeniable fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have the divine name right and are the only people who make the divine name, Jehovah, known earth wide just as the bible says God's people would. It has just been proven to you both historically from the Jewish viewpoint itself, and from the scriptures that God's name is Jehovah and is pronounced as such in modern English. That's just a fact that's not going to change for you, so just accept it. You have no choice!

[@rataroto3065]

There is no good reason to reject credibly established dates in favour of one particular interpretation of the Bible. Especially when there are other interpretations that do not conflict with secular chronology.

[@ibettch4122]

Jamie, I'm glad you're back. Keep posting and thanks.

[@dennysmith4396]

Why I admire the Witnesses is mainly for their neutral stand... never forget a British Witness & an Afrikaans Witness, both elders, in order to prove Jesus's quote about : "all will know that you are my true disciples if you have love amongst yourselves" I had 2 (also elders in their respective congregations) Mormons, one was American other was South African) sitting in on the study as I was very impressed with Mormons as well but on seeing & hearing that shld war break out in UK against SA neither JW's wld fight against each other but both be imprisoned in their respective homeland prisons...but the Mormons admitted they wld be 'involved' but in the "medics" part... nowhere will JW's kill each other in nationalistic fervour nor anyone else... a remarkable testament to their brave neutrality is they are the only other religious group allowed to be featured in the Jewish Memorial of the Holocaust....

[@coachwork]

The truth is that the JW higher ups placated Hitler and spoke against Jews to save their own skin. It's about high time this becomes public knowledge. They let their underlings suffer and die just as they always have.

[@dannyk4921]

@@coachwork Total rubbish

[@Tripleog-hy7xp]

@@dannyk4921 not total rubbish. Research it

[@dannyk4921]

@@Tripleog-hy7xp Nope total rubbish. You research it and with an open mind not one of wanting to hear what you want to hear.

[@hellnawl3924]

@@dannyk4921 maybe you need to go back an watch the documentaries JWs made on it.

[@sglant]

Very astute study of the fall of Jerusalem, as well as the exile of the Jews for 70 Years. Jehovah's Witnesses use the internal chronology as a way to confirm dates, and not just go with the dates made by archeologists, who are often wrong. In fact, most archeologists did not believe the Bible's account of Balshazzar, the last king of the Babylonian empire until they found the evidence in the 1800's. So I would not put faith in ALL of their date calculations. Here is a simple chronological table of key Bible events that should serve as a framework for which Jehovah's Witnesses calculate dates: Event Calendar Date Time Period Between Events From the creation of Adam 4026 B.C.E. To the start of the Flood 2370 B.C.E. 1,656 years To the validating of the Abrahamic covenant 1943 B.C.E. 427 years To the Exodus from Egypt 1513 B.C.E. 430 years To the start of the temple construction 1034 B.C.E. 479 years To the division of the kingdom 997 B.C.E. 37 years To the desolation of Judah 607 B.C.E. 390 years To the return of the Jews from exile 537 B.C.E. 70 years To the rebuilding of Jerusalem’s walls 455 B.C.E. 82 years To the baptism of Jesus 29 C.E. 483 years To the present 2018 C.E. 1989 years

[@sglant]

Internal chronology of the Bible..is what I meant to say.

[@viniciusbundchen1036]

You are using the Bible to prove bible raleted events. That's non sense

[@leetay9132]

It's worse than that. He's using the Bible to try to support a particular interpretation of the Bible without regard for what other interpretations are possible given the Biblical text. Corroboration or disconfirming evidence from the real world is obviously going to be helpful to inform you whether an interpretation might be considered both accurate and reliable or not.

[@ksmith5154]

You have to admit, their latest explanation for the year 1914 makes no sense.

[@billsdoris]

The JWs will give up the date 1914 soon anyway. They have no choice. You cant call 110 years the last days

[@leonabanks5591]

Following the siege of 597 BC, the Neo-Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar installed Zedekiah as tributary king of Judah, at the age of 21. However, Zedekiah revolted against Babylon, and entered into an alliance with Pharaoh Hophra, the king of Egypt. Nebuchadnezzar responded by invading Judah[1] and began a siege of Jerusalem in December 589 BC. During this siege, the duration of which was either 18 or 30 months,[2] the Bible describes the city as enduring horrible deprivation.[3] After completion of the eleventh year of Zedekiah's reign,[4] Nebuchadnezzar broke through Jerusalem's walls, conquering the city. Zedekiah and his followers attempted to escape but were captured on the plains of Jericho and taken to Riblah. There, after seeing his sons killed, Zedekiah was blinded, bound, and taken captive to Babylon,[5] where he remained a prisoner until his death. After the fall of Jerusalem, the Babylonian general, Nebuzaraddan, was sent to complete its destruction. Jerusalem was plundered, and Solomon's Temple was destroyed. Most of the elite were taken into captivity in Babylon. The city was razed to the ground. Only a few people were permitted to remain to tend to the land.[6] The Jew Gedaliah was made governor of the remnant of Judah, the Yehud Province, with a Chaldean guard stationed at Mizpah.[7] The Bible reports that, on hearing this news, Jews who had fled to Moab, Ammon, Edom, and in other countries returned to Judah.[8] Gedaliah was assassinated by Ishmael son of Nethaniah two months later, and the population that had remained and those who had returned then fled to Egypt for safety.[9] In Egypt, they settled in Migdol (it is uncertain where the Bible is referring to here, probably somewhere in the Nile Delta), Tahpanhes, Memphis (called Noph), and Pathros (the vicinity of Thebes).[10] Chronological notes There has been some debate as to when the second siege of Jerusalem took place. There is no dispute that Jerusalem fell the second time in the summer month of Tammuz (Jeremiah 52:6), but William F. Albright dates the end of Zedekiah's reign and the fall of Jerusalem to 587 BC, but Edwin R. Thiele offers 586 BC.[11] Thiele's reckoning is based on the presentation of Zedekiah's reign on an accession basis, which he asserts was occasionally used for the kings of Judah. In that case, the year that Zedekiah came to the throne would be his zeroth year; his first full year would be 597/596 BC, and his eleventh year, the year that Jerusalem fell, would be 587/586 BC. Since Judah's regnal years were counted from Tishri in autumn, that would place the end of his reign and the capture of Jerusalem in the summer of 586 BC.[11][12] The Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle (BM 21946), published in 1956, indicates that Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem the first time putting an end to the reign of Jehoaichin, on 2 Adar (16 March) 597 BC, in Nebuchadnezzar's seventh year.[13] Jeremiah 52:28-29 gives the relative periods for the end of the two sieges as Nebuchadnezzar's seventh and eighteenth years, respectively. (The same periods are elsewhere described at 2 Kings 24:12 and 2 Kings 25:8 as Nebuchadnezzar's eighth and nineteenth years, including his accession year.) Identification of Nebuchadnezzar's eighteenth year for the end of the siege places the event in the summer of 587 BC.

[@stevenprestidge]

This may help if a king comes to power at the end of a year they count it as a full year also look up revelation 1285 tell u how long 3 and half times are if u double that it tell s us how contravene times is look up ezikiel it foretell how long from 607 to z19 14 that's the answer they was no ziroyear

[@danielbouju1688]

"The Truth,all simply."

[@TheJunior27449]

I know jw are always right! keep up the good work.

[@agooknight9585]

If JW are always right why do they always have new understanding...

[@dawidmichalski8339]

Jhun Soriano what ?!.....😂😂😂😂 jehovah wachtower witnesses is MASONIC ANTICHRIST CORPORATION VERY DANGER DEMONIC CULT FALSE PROPHET !!! KILL ILLUMINATI !!

[@TheJunior27449]

Thanks for your opinion!!!

[@jont39]

Agoo Knight This is not about JWs being right it's about if the bible is. Is it?

[@agooknight9585]

live let liv I'm not quite sure where u stand but Jw is and was never about the Bible...They are about latest Watchtower articles....

[@delrico8788]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia. As a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time, and any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or simply incorrect.

[@leetay9132]

Yet it is generally a pretty good starting point and tends to have weaknesses in the argumentation highlighted and usually has llinks to source documents. It's a much better source than the Watchtower publications.

[@55fixcom]

... roger schmidt You have absolutely convinced me. Where do you hold your meetings? What is the name of your worldwide organization? And more importantly, what is the name of your Supreme Deity so that others may worship also? How does Jesus fit into your beliefs ? What is this "Kingdom Come"? Have you contacted all your neighbors in your area with your faith? If so what do you tell them? I mean, besides, "JWs are wrong & a bad cult?" If you are not sharing locally, Jesus said to love you neighbors as yourself. Why don't you try & help them? I guarantee that JWs have contacted them many times over the years. If you have the truth of Life, are you not under obligation to share it? That is, besides when it's casually convenient or when sitting by your computer? Are you here to build up faith or tear down the faith of others? If the latter, what do offer to replace it? Are JWs you enemies? Well Jesus said to love your enemies. Ain't feeling the love, Roger.

[@AHJ135]

Michael Kohloff -Thank you 💕💕 Agree

[@AHJ135]

roger schmidt -these liders or members of the faithful slave never ask anything from the people that goes beyond scripture for their own wealth or interrests, on the contrary they always ask us to do what is right for others and for us. How is that bad?

[@AHJ135]

roger schmidt - terrible cult that asks it's members to Love God, forgive one another freely, love your neighbor like yourself, preach the word even under persecution for your! benefit, don't participate in wars and kill people even if that means jail time for us or even death. Please evaluate

[@teamexpress851]

Absolutely FANTASTIC reply to Roger Schmidt by Michael Kohloff!!! Roger Schmidt has NOTHING up-building to offer to anyone, doesn't know what God's Kingdom Government is and can only TRY to tear down JW's sitting behind a computer. Smh The guy even believes that JW's have given FALSE PROPHESIES when the absolute Truth is that JW's have simply had / given WRONG EXPECTATIONS and or information regarding DIVINE PROPHESIES IN THE BIBLE (which mind you many of God's faithful apostles and prophets have done). The Bible itself at Daniel 12:4 shows that there would be a great increase in knowledge of the truth during “the time of the end.” (then again, perhaps Roger Schmidt doesn't believe that we are even living "in the time of the end") Increased knowledge often REQUIRES adjustments in one’s thinking. Jehovah’s Witnesses are willing humbly to make such adjustments, have done so and will CONTINUE to do so. Many of God's people from the nation of Israel felt about Moses and Aaron (God's appointed IMPERFECT male representatives) the EXACT WAY as Roger Schmidt does about the members of the governing body of JW's. It therefore comes as no surprise to JW's that MANY feel the way they do about the imperfect members of the governing body of JW's. This is only natural of those who are truly PART of the present "world", it's as natural as breathing for such ones. JESUS CHRIST is THE LEADER of the worldwide Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses (including its governing body)... Period. :-)

[@teamexpress851]

Roger Schmidt stated in part: " Still, how many religions do you know where their leaders actually claim to be someone from the Bible? " Hmmm, 1st century Christianity itself. Jesus of Nazareth (the Leader of Christianity) claimed to be the foretold MESSIAH himself. Keep in mind that the Bible foretold the rise and fall of the Egyptian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Babylonian Empire, Medo-Persian Empire, Grecian Empire, Roman Empire and Anglo-American Empire. It also foretold events that would specifically take place during our PRESENT time-period which it calls The Last Days / Final Part of the Days. Jesus Christ's Faithful & Discreet Slave was part of the composite sign of his heavenly royal Parousia (Presence) which would occur during the last days of the present "world" (global ungodly system of things) and being that we ARE NOW living in the last days, Christ by reason of necessity in accordance to his word NOW has existing on Earth his Faithful and Discreet Slave. Jehovah’s Witnesses FULLY recognize that arrangement. During the 1st century there was no need to ask who was the Faithful and Discreet Slave being that the THEN governing body of the Christian congregation (the apostles and older men in Jerusalem) were the ones dispensing spiritual food to the THEN worldwide Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses (as the Christians were witnesses of Almighty Jehovah God but THROUGH Jesus Christ). However, with the foretold great apostasy having undergone fulfillment (CHRISTENDOM) and in full bloom in the Last Days, it was NECESSARY for Christ to ask who REALLY is the Faithful and Discreet Slave or who would REALLY prove to BE his Faithful and Discreet Slave which would be spiritually feeding his people during the time of his Heavenly royal Parousia. It most certainly WAS NOT and IS NOT ANY of the religions of CHRISTENDOM... Not by a long shot. (1) From most of their Bible translations they have removed the name of the true God thousands of times. (2) The Trinity doctrine, their concept of God himself, is borrowed from pagan sources and was developed in its present form centuries after Bible writing was completed. (3) Their belief in immortality of the human soul as the basis for continued life is not taken from the Bible; it has roots in ancient Babylon. (4) The theme of Jesus’ preaching was THE KINGDOM GOVERNMENT OF GOD, and he sent his disciples out to talk personally to others about it; but the churches of CHRISTENDOM today seldom mention that Kingdom and their members are not doing the work of preaching “this good news of the kingdom.” (Matt. 24:14) (5) Jesus said that his true followers could be readily identified by their self-sacrificing love for one another. Is that true of the religions of CHRISTENDOM when the nations go to war? (6) The Bible says that Christ’s disciples would be NO PART OF THE WORLD, and it warns that whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an ENEMY of God; but the churches of CHRISTENDOM and their members are DEEPLY involved in the political affairs of the nations. (Jas. 4:4) (7) Don't even get me started on the adherence to and celebrating of Holidays (so called "Holy Days") that are beyond the shadow of any doubt proven to have their origin deeply rooted in paganism. In view of such a record, can it honestly be said that the churches of CHRISTENDOM really adhere to the Bible? ??? NO WAY!!! ALL of the religions of CHRISTENDOM have AS A WHOLE produced absolutely nothing but ROTTEN FRUITAGE. On the other hand, the worldwide Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses AS A WHOLE has produced good fruitage. Have the Bible based teachings of JW's truly uplifted people morally AS A WHOLE? Are those who adhere to these teachings outstanding in their communities AS A WHOLE because of their honesty? Is their family life AS A WHOLE beneficially influenced by applying these teachings? At John 13:35 Jesus said that his disciples would be readily identified because of having love AMONG THEMSELVES. Is this quality outstanding among Jehovah’s Witnesses AS A WHOLE or not? JW's let the facts speak for themselves. :-)

[@jakeroberts6274]

Did he measure a pyramid to calculate the date? New light

[@gregjones8412]

Typical hateful comment. Whatever beliefs C.T. Russell had about the pyramids have no bearing whatsoever on the subject matter.

[@user-vo4wc2jz8g]

It's borrowed from Adventism, Numerology and Pyramidology played a big part in the formation of JW doctrine

[@azazelsgoat]

When Daniel discerned by "the books" (Dan 9:2) the number of years, 70 years, Jeremiah 25:8-12 would have been a prophecy he had in mind. It says Jehovah would send Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon "against this land" (Judah) and "against all these nations round about" (other nations that came under dominion of Babylon). It's not saying that Judah and all the other nations went into exile. In Jeremiah 25:11 it says: "And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, AND THESE NATIONS will have to SERVE the king of Babylon seventy years." (Jehovah did finally send the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar against Judah to destroy it in 587/6 bce.) The siege of Harran and its fall in 609bce marked the end of the Assyrian monarchy and the start of the neo-Babylonian empire's domination under king Nabopolassar. Could it be that from this point on the nations began serving "the king of Babylon" ???(Nabopolassar). So starting at 609bce the nations began serving the king of Babylon until 539bce where Jehovah called "to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation" (Nabonidus) (Jeremiah 25:12). So 609bce to 539bce is 70 years of service to the king of Babylon. After 70 years of service Cyrus took Babylon and killed the Babylonian king.

[@pawelwalecki9363]

For many people what the scholars say is more important what Bible say about Full 70 years of enslavement

[@zoar541]

I study with the JW's i believe they have a lot of correct doctrine my issue is the extra rules that aren't biblical for one you'll have to shave your beard in the USA. By the way,i do like you made an effort and did some research on 607 BCE i actually have been stuck on this,i'm having a study on this tomarrow.Thanks!

[@ericisawesome5725]

Take note that if the exile started in 607 the bible says that the destruction was 19 years 5 months after Nebuchadnezzar began rule, and that the exile started while leaving the lowly inhabitants in jerusalem, so it wasn't destroyed when the exile began... so the bible agrees exile started in 607, but destruction would then be in 586. This is not apostates trying to debunk JW's, it is a mountain of archaeological evidence, literally thousands of neo-babylonian era documents pointing to 586, and also even JW literature can be used to calculate 586, they just took it out of circulation... the only conspiracy is the JW's refusing to admit they are wrong because it deflates all of their authority. Look at jwfacts.com and look at all the false prophecies, scandals, and high control unnecessarily put on members... joining that church will be the worst decision you ever make, the bible says you will be "fully equipped " by reading it on your own, the JW orginization will only twist scripture to get you to serve them so they can keep building new kingdom halls and selling them off to make a bunch of money on your free labor.... run... run away from these liars...

[@zoar541]

@@ericisawesome5725 One should always watch out when someone saids"I'm not this or That"because more then likely they are In your case an apostate that's a word that the JW's commonly use i've never heard it use in the baptist church so that being said your an ex JW. By the way,i'm not interested in pass mistakes what matters to me is today have they made a change and correct there mistakes,now i have studied long enough with them that i agree with what you when you said that they wont agree they made mistakes.

[@ericisawesome5725]

@@zoar541 I didn't say I was never a witness, I'm referring to the archeologists that determined when jerusalem was destroyed... they all agree that it was 586, they don't know or care about what charles russel said 140 years ago. The point is, the witnesses use 607 to calculate 1914 and 1914 to calculate 1919 and then say in 1919 jesus chose the religion as the only means of salvation... so all of their supposed authority hinges on 607 being the destruction of jerusalem... and they are wrong... even based on their own literature 607 is wrong... however if you join their church you give them authority to later excumminicate you if you disagree with them. That is a high control orginization that derives their power based on a lie. Just do diligent research, both scriptural and secular -- they are nice people but the leaders are sick

[@ericisawesome5725]

@@zoar541 also noteworthy is the fact that they say jesus is not your mediator, even though the bible says he is the only mediator for all man... the people studying with you probably won't even know that, but it is in their doctrine, in print in their own books...

[@zoar541]

@@ericisawesome5725 about Jesus not being our mediator ,I'll have to ask them on my next study if he saids he isn't, it'll be a rap we wont need to go any further.

[@kannak5496]

@Jamies Bigham, you cant subtr 19 years from the, note the text says it was 19 year, so it passed 18 years not 19, so it will be 606, and take in consideration the 5 mou, it will be some where end of 607 to begin of 606...

[@JamieBigham]

Sounds good thank you 😃

[@tedlumley4470]

Hey Jamie. Good video. It must've taken a lot of courage to take on this topic in a pro 607 approach. I was put in touch with your channel by David and Vivian Aspinall. I only live a few minutes from them in Brampton. I visit them most Sundays.

[@JamieBigham]

Hey friend. I was disfellowshipped by the same circuit overseer that married David and Vivian.

[@JerryJones1914]

He is deceiving you he is lying to you.. I can give you so much evidence that 607BC is a lie.. One year I gave him to give me his sources. Without watchtower literature from Jehovah's witnesses.. I can give you so much evidence you will be mad and angry at this idiot lying to you...

[@annalazaryan7015]

People needs Kingdom come, Amen AMEN

[@dr.joseangelbohorquezrodriguez]

Jamie Bigham, the Biblical chronology holds the date of 587 BCE. In Insight on the Scriptures, volume 1, for Darius, page 633, last paragraph says: "the Foundation of the temple was placed in 536 a. C.E., but the work of reconstruction in 522 a. E.C. was banned and "continued detention until the second year of the reign of Darius" (520 BCE.)." (Ezra 4:4, 5, 24.) During that year, the prophets Haggai and Zechariah encouraged Jews to resume construction, and work was undertaken. (Ezra 5:1, 2; Haggai 1: 1, 14, 15; Zechariah 1:1) "." The Bible teaches in Zechariah 7:1-5 that in the fourth year of Darius (517-518 BCE.), Jehovah himself estimated that for 70 years, the Jews fasted every year since the destruction of Jerusalem. Since that 517 + 70 = 587, there is no doubt that the Bible instructs 587 BCE as the actual date of the destruction of Jerusalem.

[@JamieBigham]

I am in Toronto, Canada. When I was a witness I was attending the Northpark Kingdom Hall in Brampton in the 1990's. I was in the Balmoral and Torbram congregation. If you are posting comments please feel free to state your location. Maybe we can make some connections.

[@gamescore1654]

"When you were a witness" Are you no longer a witness?

[@jimmchemings6140]

This is a primary JW doctrine leading to 1914. Since you are certain about this you should go back to being a witness. Show them this video and that should help you to be a witness again

[@jenicatsspace5123]

I think ....i don't have the right to comment on this matter .... Yes i have read the bible( not all of it) but i am not really paying attention to years ....and now, i just feel guilty of not understanding what the bible has to say .....thanks Jamie i think this topic just opened my eyes to dig deep and read better......

[@JamieBigham]

jenifer trinidad I don't think dates are super important to understand but we need to be interested in our history and the truth and be conscious of people deliberately trying to deceive us. Jesus taught us that Christianity is about the simple things and said we should be aware of the times and seasons. Do you think we are living in the last days?

[@jenicatsspace5123]

Jamie Bigham yes you're absolutely right ....

[@JamieBigham]

jenifer trinidad if you want to understand the Bible better why don't you accept a free home Bible study from the Jehovah's Witnesses?

[@jenicatsspace5123]

Jamie Bigham you know i can't do that now, right? I know there's a perfect time.....

[@kimora7964]

@@jenicatsspace5123 True but dont wait too long dear...this world will not go on for much longer the way it is...n theres so much for you to learn Just bear in mind that really...there is no perfect time...thats because whenever theres a good time for you..Satan the Devil will cause a distraction for you. Expect that he will try to stop you...at any time in your life that you try to learn about Jehovah God

[@literaryfilmagent]

This calculation below is in connection with signs of the times and 1914 (CALCULATING THE "SEVEN TIMES" so for example: "Seven Times" = 7 x 360 = 2,520 years A Biblical time or year = 12 x 30 days = 360 (Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:5, 14) So in the fulfillment of the "seven time" each day EQUALS ONE year. (Ezekiel 4:8; Numbers 14:34) Early October, 607 B.C.E., to December 31, 607 B.C.E., = 1/4 Year January 1, 606 B.C.E., to December 31, B.C.E., = 605 Years January 1, 1 C.E., to December 31, 1913 = 1,913 Years January 1, 1914, to Early October , 1914 = 3/4 Year This Totals 2,520 years There must be a strong correlation between 70 CE and 1914 as being predicted when God's heavenly Kingdom was established seeing the global conflict of WW1 as signs of the times. Not sure myself but this may need deeper research ??? I hope this little bit of information might be helpful to giving you the clue you are searching for??? :) Good luck with your research lol! There seems to always have been a presumptive estimation as to the dates of Jewish historical events. Perhaps Jehovah's Witnesses go by Bible chronological dating to get more accurate details At least we can have a good starting point at 70 C.E. (Destruction of Jerusalem as there are Roman coins available commemorating this event. Jesus prophesied that the Temple of Jerusalem would be destroyed in 70 C.E. Those who know their bible history can thus be assured also that Jesus foretold them these events and Jerusalem had been preserved until 70 CE in order for the Messianic prophesies to be fulfilled. The destruction of the temple was destroyed and gutted by the Romans According to Josephus this took place on the Anniversary of Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of the first temple where Jehovah's worship was held centuries earlier. His account also states that the repository of the archives housing the genealogical records of tribal and family descent and inheritance rights were put to the fire. Thus the legal means for establishing the lineage of members of the Messianic Tribe of Judah and the priestly tribe of Levi came to an end. In just four months and twenty five days from April 11 to September 7, 70 C.E. the conquest of Jerusalem's destruction had been effected. Could this info be of any use to you Jamie? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIW4aa2Xi6mYhsk Interesting link

[@JamieBigham]

Hi Emerantia! Thank you for sharing that! I have the live forever book and they explain the 2,520 days on page 141. But somebody told me the JW's changed the way they are calculating.

[@livinggamer_grs6066]

Good math.That was hard though

[@arrellehnisrael8229]

Nowhere in your calculations is the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. The most disregarded event in human history seems to mirror Jehovah’s reason for Armageddon and judgments on all nations... Joel 3:1-2 For look! in those days and in that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,a 2 I will also *gather together all the nations* And *bring them down to the Valley of Je·hoshʹa·phat.* I will *enter into judgment with them there* *In behalf of my people* and my inheritance Israel, *For they scattered them among the nations* And *they divided up my land* among themselves The above prophecy is simple but since it’s from God you will not accept his explanation. You follow men. Also you’ll have to reconcile the true identity of God’s chosen people if you obey this prophecy. Jehovah’s witnesses certainly were NOT scattered into nations and removed from their homeland and have their land divided. The very people who enslaved my people taught the world these doctrines...Jehovah will repay vengeance... Joel 3:6-8 And the people of Judah and Jerusalem *you have sold to the Greeks* In order to remove them far from their territory; 7 Here I am rousing them to come from the place where you sold them, And *I will bring your repayment on your heads.* 8 *I will sell your sons and daughters into the hand of the people of Judah* So who are the real Jews? Their curses are their sign. (Deuteronomy 28:46) 1914 doctrine is simply designed to distract you from the simplicity of scripture. Wasting your efforts and trying to be fascinating scholars, meanwhile... Jehovah keeps His word and chooses the foolish things to confound the wise.

[@cynthiaharney7113]

Keep on doing what you have been doing by studying to show yourself approved. You found the answer on your own without someone telling you. These one's that just can not stand it when you find the truth out, so they are like the blind leading the blind. They think they know so much and want to be so helpful, but who can help them when they don't really want to know correct history. There is probably so much more lies down through the ages that has been taught as truth, but is a lie to cover up God.

[@emerantiaantoniaparnall-gi4213]

I will type out some excerpts which will lead you onto the dating , which also needs to fall in line with Book of Daniel. If using 607 then using the "Calculating the 7 times, (which I will send you), that this then culminates to 1914, when there was the global conflict of WW1. This kind of resonates with the signs of that generation (us) and our great grandparents, when JW state we enter into that last of the generations that may see the arrival of Armageddon. According to scientific research I have done, many factions believe our world is going through a transition. Anyway, I am too weary watching Jamie at a quandary lol, because no matter what you summise the correct dating is 607. Lol! I am getting itchy with frustration hahaha!

[@DH-og5yr]

TheWin200000 more like overfapping generations with all the porn addicts I’ve met in that religion. Sexual repression to the Max. Furthermore. 1914 was to be armageddon. When that didn’t happen they changed it to end times. Satan did it is a simple answer to a complicated question. Ww1 was brewing for some 50 years prior.

[@AlanMF00]

In this comment I'll touch on some of your statements in the order they appear in the video. I won't here try to prove most of what I say, since that is done in the links on the ad1914.com/ website, but just state the results. Jerusalem was destroyed in 587, not 586 BCE. The Jews returned to Judah in 538 or 537 BCE, with 538 a clear favorite since Josephus gives information that resolves the date. An exhaustive search on Google Scholar shows an almost even split in opinion on 538 or 537, but almost no one gives actual arguments for either date. A great many Christians (and secular scholars) DO NOT say that the Jews went into exile for 70 years. Prove this for yourself by reading the books by Thiele, Finegan and Jonsson. Daniel 1 & 2 imply that a first exile of just a handful of elite Jews like Daniel, occurred in 605 BCE. Jer. 52:28-30 explicitly states that captivities occurred in Nebuchadnezzar's 7th, 18th and 23rd years. The 18th year is counted by Babylonian reckoning of the dates of kings' reigns (see below), and more or less corresponds to the 19th year reckoned by Jewish dating in 2 Kings 25. So according to the Bible itself, there were FOUR exiles -- in 605, 597, 587 and 582 BCE. Furthermore, in "Against Apion", Josephus quotes figures from Babylonian historian Berossus showing that the Temple lay desolate for 50 -- not 70 -- years, which precisely corresponds with 587 through 537 BCE (the Temple was begun to be rebuilt the year after the Jews' return, but not completed for another 20 years). You say that various scriptures all talk about a 70 year exile. But that's a misrepresentation by the Watch Tower Society. Let's see what the passages you referenced actually say. Quotations are from the New American Standard Bible from www.biblegateway.com/ . Jer. 29:10 > Nothing about 70 years of exile here. Rather, it speaks of 70 years FOR BABYLON, i.e., 70 years of Babylonian supremacy in the Near East. 2 Chron. 36:22-23 > Nothing about 70 years of exile here. Ezra 1:1-4 is essentially a duplicate of the above, and says nothing about 70 years of exile. Dan. 9:1-2 > Nothing about 70 years of exile here. Rather, the passage speaks of 70 years for the completion of 70 years of "the DESOLATIONS of Jerusalem". Compare this with the original NWT's rendering: > Again nothing about 70 years of exile here. Note that both renderings speak of the devastations -- plural -- of Jerusalem. That is consistent with general Hebrew usage that a Jewish city that had been conquered, or which had been somehow violated (like having captives taken from it), was considered "devastated" from a spiritual point of view. Since captives were taken from Jerusalem in 605, 597 and 587 BCE, it was certainly "devastated" until the captives returned in 538 BCE. The passage in Daniel 9 indicates that Daniel looked into "the books" immediately after the fall of Babylon, and before the Jews returned to Judah. Thus, having seen Babylon fall and be punished (Jer. 25:12; Dan. 5), he knew that, according to Jer 29:10, the 70 years of Babylonian supremacy were over, and the Jews would soon return to Judah. You repeatedly say that "the Internet says . . ." But keep in mind that sources like Wikipedia are just repeating the results of widely accepted scholarship, such as is explained in the book references I gave you. You're obviously confused by Bible and secular statements about certain dates, like Nebuchadnezzar's 18th or 19th year for the same event, so I'll try to clear this up. Secular history mostly dates events with regard to Babylon by Babylonian date reckoning, where a calendar year begins in the spring (Nisan) and counts the reign of a king by the accession-year method, i.e., the year in which the king actually began ruling was counted as his accession (0th) year, the next year as the 1st, etc. The Jews at various times used four different dating methods, where the year could have started in Nisan or Tishri, and kings' reigns were counted by accession or non-accession year methods. This can get pretty complicated, but scholars have mostly figured it all out. You cannot sensibly mix and match Bible and secular dates without accounting for the dating method behind a date or event. Thus, using only Babylonian dating, Nebuchadnezzar's accession year was 605, and the destruction of Jerusalem occurred in his 18th year (cf. Jer. 52:29) which was 587. But by Jewish counting, using non-accession-year and Tishri dating, that destruction was in Nebuchadnezzar's 19th year. One other complication is that our modern Gregorian calendar, and the Julian calendar which is used by historians and astronomers, do not line up with the Babylonian or Jewish calendars. The latter were lunar calendars, so the 1st day of the 1st month of a year is shifted from year to year by a few days or weeks from the corresponding day in the Julian calendar. So a careful historian would say that Nebuchadnezzar's accession year was 605/4 BCE. Yet another complication to account for. With the above in mind, the numbers add up perfectly, and secular and biblical dates are remarkably consistent. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's 0th year began in spring (Nisan 1), 605 BCE, and ran until the day before Nisan 1 of 604 BCE; hence we say that his accession year was 605/4 BCE. So for Zedekiah's reign of 11 years, and counting by Jewish non-accession Tishri dating, his 1st year began in the calendar year running from Tishri, 598 BCE up to Tishri, 597 BCE, with his actual ascension to the throne in late Adar or early Nisan (the Bible does not specify this) of 597 BCE. If the 1st year is 598/597, the 11th year is 588/587 BCE, which puts the end of Zedekiah's reign in the summer of 587 BCE. No issue with dates here. As for fitting "the 70 years" into this timeframe, remember that this was NOT a period of exile of the Jews, but of Babylonian supremacy, possibly beginning in 609 BCE and definitely ending in 539 BCE. If you insist on a timeframe for the desolation of Judah beginning with Jerusalem's destruction, then 587 through 538 fits the bill. In conclusion, it's not that "all of the scriptures about the 70 years are wrong", but that many of the Watch Tower Society's claims about what these scriptures say is wrong, as shown in my comments. Do not confuse what the Watch Tower Society says with what the Bible says.

[@JamieBigham]

I appreciate your comments friend!

[@giannpaul3349]

@@JamieBigham i suggest you do a revised video and rectify your statements. I agree with the comments of the person above. The 70 years were FOR Babylon and I'm a christian so I believe the bible. You needed to read the scriptures from Jeremiah directly from the Bible. Not just give your opinion that "there was a 70 year exile". You are misleadimg people, specially Jehovah's Witnesses that are captured from this organization that tells them what to believe. Jeremiah 25:11 (NIV) "This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years." It is to be noted that this prophecy DOESN'T speak of the length of the Jewish exile, as the WT claims, but of the lenght of the "period" when "these nations" would SERVE the king of Babylon. Also Jeremiah 29:10 (NIV) "When seventy years are completed FOR Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my gracious promise to bring you back to this place." The Watchtower (WT) mistranslates this text to say "at Babylon" to try to prove their teaching. Look in other Bible translation to see WT Bible is wrong! Look it up, the period of Babylonian domination was in fact 70 years! 609-539 = 70. Look up Carl Olof Jonsson, www.jwfacts.com/pdf/carl-olof-jonsson-when-jerusalem-destroyed.pdf Jerusalem was totally destroyed in 587 BCE. Fix your wrong claims.

[@jaymekuan4869]

@@JamieBigham alan feuerbacher's comments specifically mentioned jonson. I recommended his book for you to read. Carl olaf jonson was an elder, then a circuit overseer who gave the governing body a copy of his thesis, but unfortunately (for watchtower) the society disfellowed him for not obeying the governing body's order to keep quiet about his thesis. His book " THE GENTILE TIMES REVISITED" has gone a few revisions especially in the number of lines against the watchtower's line of reasoning concerning 607 BCE. If alan's retort to your post astounds you, then olaf's book will really blow you away.

[@rogersmith9086]

Thanks for sharing. Look for when Jerusalem was conquered and a Vassal king ruled in Jerusalem. This sorts it for you

[@csmoviles]

Dear JW, how about doing a study on Hebrews 1 :8-14 Malachi 3:1; Mark 1:2; isaiah 40:3 -5. Just to start😊

[@JamieBigham]

I’m disfellowshipped. I’ve read my Bible. Thank you.

[@daykay2231]

We have a partial knowledge now but in the future we will know the wholeness of the scriptures yes 70 years in exile is true

[@arlettasloan6453]

I think it's so cool that you are really looking into things. Wish I felt good enough to really get into this vid. I'll bookmark it and come back, though. I can tell it's great content. Thank you for sharing.

[@ChrisPyle]

609 BC the Babylonians rebelled against Assyria and the Israelites lost a battle in Egypt. That was the start of the 70 years. 539 was the decree of Israelite freedom. 70 years. The math works

[@JamieBigham]

2 Chronicles chapter 36:19-21 directly States the 70 years began with the destruction of the temple.

[@ChrisPyle]

@@JamieBigham There were 3 deportations. You’re ignoring the prophecy of good and bad figs. The bad ones that god cursed were the ones still there when temple was destroyed. The good ones were those that were taken first like Daniel. Go read Jeremiah 24. Zedekiah and those with him are named as the bad figs.

[@ChrisPyle]

@@JamieBigham and no it does not. It’s a summary scripture, nothing more

[@JamieBigham]

@@ChrisPyle you are liar

[@ChrisPyle]

⁠@@JamieBighamI would suggest you match up the lunar eclipses for the first 29 years of king Nebuchadnezzar. That eclipse tablet can be found in the British museum. BM38462 is its catalog number. NASA has a list of all lunar eclipses for 5 millennia. The 29 years listed on the tablet only fits one time in recorded history and it places his 1st year as 605/604. Simple as that. Delete this comment too if you wish I guess, but you can’t deny the facts. Calling me a liar for pointing this out doesn’t help your case.

[@stopmenghinastopmemfitnah918]

From indonesia here,☺ always be brave my brother...

[@JamieBigham]

Vera Ferdiansen of course sister. We know who the real enemy is.

[@LakshmanPoonyth]

I wonder what now after Furuli being disfellowshipped.

[@andrewgraham9940]

He is still a reputable scholar and his work has merit, he being disfellowshipped has nothing to do with his secular work...!

[@LakshmanPoonyth]

@@andrewgraham9940 I can see the distinction. But I'm not the one with the agenda. The watchtower on the other hand has always clung to straws. In Furuli's case, given he is the only 'secular' scholar to have defended the watchtower's stance on 607, this makes Furuli very valuable for the pivot doctrine. Then, I really wonder what now.

[@charlierodriguez6701]

You know Russell reached 1914 originally by measuring the pyramids but originally that was supposed to be Armageddon, when that didn’t happen it turned to the beginning of the “Last Days” which now have lasted over one hundred years, I would have respected him more if he would have called it the beginning of the Last Years.

[@JamieBigham]

Moses said the world was made in 7 days. Day and age is just an expression.

[@charlierodriguez6701]

Jamie Bigham, can I ask you what do you think of Hitler and the Nazis?

[@wylolister3218]

LOL, "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work *in the remaining months before Armageddon,"* - Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p.288 JWs *truth* 79 years ago. *940 months!* Oh boy!

[@anythingbuttruth8338]

Can google predicted 1914 0r 1975?

[@JamieBigham]

I was born in 75! What were my JW parents thinking??

[@tubebitch12]

Jamie Bigham Did they party like it was 1999?

[@JamieBigham]

LOL. I think so!!

[@arthurdomal5053]

@@tubebitch12 Party?

[@keyo3316]

This might sound very stupid, but many historians and scholars appear to be atheist. This probably being the case, why would they try so hard to discredit only one religion (i.e.JWs)? Wouldn't they seek to discredit all Christian religions? I don't believe these scholars targeted JWs. They just state the facts written on the cuneiform tablets. What churches choose to do with that information is up to them. They scholars didn't have JWs in mind when stating these facts I assure you. They are upset at this info only because it contradicts what they have been teaching millions of people and since they say they are the "truth", they cannot be caught in a lie. I am not saying your research is wrong as I read something else that came pretty close to a 606bce date based on using both Jewish and Babylonian calendars. All I am saying is that the scholars are not wrong about historical information regarding the destruction. I personally believe what Jesus said about God hiding the truth from wise and intellectual ones and revealing it to children. With this said, the truth regarding the prophecy may still be out there, but cold hard facts cannot be disputed, so for now I agree with 587 bce until God proves differently if he so chooses to reveal. I am no longer affiliated with Jehovah's Witness, but am a baptised Christian who loves God and his word and am seeking absolute truth. On a final note though, I do agree with you that JWs are not wrong about everything. All religions have a grain of truth. When they are studied and compared to the bible text it can be seen which things are truth and which things are lies (especially if God's spirit directs you). God bless.

[@djparsons7363]

Them we can't believe a thing you say since there is NO WAY you are receiving ANY Holy Spirit. Do you really expect Jehovah to overlook leaving Him and His organization? You left Him and He rejects you, that's how it works. When it concerns doctrinal matters, JW's have the correct understanding and THAT is why we know we will survive into the millennium on earth, we are the "great crowd".

[@richardschiller7803]

Christian Hippolytus has 70 years desolation from 658bc to 588bc, Ussher has 50 years desolation from 588bc to 536bc. Eusebius has 50 years from 590bc to 540bc, Jewish Seder Olam has 70 years from 590bc to 520bc. The two major factors of release is the confusion of Babylon ruled by Darius the Mede in 539bc whose 2nd year was 538bc, and ruled by Darius the Persian in 522bc whose 2nd year was 520bc completing temple in 4 years to 6th year in the month Adar 516/515bc Nisan.

[@barakhammond3058]

You are absolutely correct in your findings, congradulations Master Jamie

[@JamieBigham]

Hi Barak. What is your story? Where are you from?

[@barakhammond3058]

I am Roman, from Rome, Italy

[@JamieBigham]

Nice to meet you! I like short replies! God bless you and your family!

[@emerantiaantoniaparnall-gi4213]

I will send you a run down on the chronological dating. Maybe it will shed some light on the issue of 70 years. The JW are correct about this at least lol.

[@JamieBigham]

Yes they got a few things right. But they like to do things their own way like most people.

[@miroslavmatijevic6185]

"Now, let's consider some of them: 1) VAT 4956 is the astronomical diary from what is thought to be, 37th year of King Nebuchadnezzar. The diary is a copy created a couple of centuries later, which is not problematic in itself. The problem is in the fact that the scribe struggled with archaic expressions which means that during the modernization of obsolete words he could make mistakes. Another, even bigger problem is that the scribe copied quite damaged copy. Twice in the text the scribe added a remark "broken off" (THE GENTILE TIMES RECONSIDERED page 162). The obverse of the clay tablet records observations from day 1 of the 1st month until the 15th day of the 3rd month, while on the reverse as the earliest date we find the 19th day of the 10th month! Thus, there is a break of at least seven months !!! The penultimate line of the diary begins with "38th year of Nebuchadnezzar," and the last line with "37th year [of Nebuchadnezzar]". Does not that give us reason to doubt that the diary is, perhaps, chronologically jumbled? Although an ardent believer in the traditional chronology and author of THE GENTILE TIMES RECONSIDERED would protest fiercely, I am claiming that modern astronomical calculations do not help in eliminating these doubts! Take, for example, information from this link: www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/216051/1/Do-All-13-Sets-Of-Lunar-Positions-On-VAT-4956-Fit-The-Year-588-587-B-C-E According to the calculations, the weight of evidence favors 568/67 BC over 588/87 as the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar. However, while 9 observations match perfectly with 568/67, one observation is inaccurate, while the two are marked as bad, which means that there is a 25% mismatch between the observations in a diary and astronomical calculations for the year 568/7! It is interesting that the data on the reverse almost perfectly matches the modern calculation (5 of 6 observations match perfectly, while for the one we can not make a conclusion because the exact day is not entirely legible). Looking at the data on the obverse we'll see four matches, but right there you will find three mismatches, which in percentage is 43% !! " archive.org/details/treegenerationsandappointedtimes.7z

[@JamieBigham]

What year was Babylon overthrown by the medes and Persians?

[@miroslavmatijevic6185]

@@JamieBigham in 539 bc

[@mickbland3990]

Excellent reasoning and calculations "let God be found true but every man be found a liar"

[@mymangobango3533]

Watch John Cedars video on 607 B.C.E., very thorough, straight forward & will probably fill in some spaces.

[@JamieBigham]

The spaces are already filled with the truth brother thank you

[@raredevilnotoreligion4944]

@@JamieBigham have you read olaf's thesis?

[@JamieBigham]

@@raredevilnotoreligion4944 I generally don't spend a lot of time reading material on subjects I find the Bible very clear on. For example I find the Trinity subject extremely irritating... trying to convince someone that the father is the son is to me like trying to convince somebody your mother is a frog.

[@guardianfury2436]

@@JamieBigham the Trinity does not state that the Father is the Son. You seem to have confused Modalism with Trinity.

[@JamieBigham]

@@guardianfury2436 so what you're saying is that according to the trinity Doctrine Jesus Christ is not Almighty God?

[@sheinahjeangonzales5642]

WHY IS THE YEAR 1914 SO IMPORTANT? The prophecy in Daniel chapter 4 teaches us that God would set up his kingdom in 1914. The prophecy: Jehovah gave king Nebuchadnezzar a prophetic dream about a large tree that was chopped down. In the dream, a band of iron and copper was put around the tree's stump to stop it from growing for a period of seven times." after that, the tree would grow again---Daniel 4 : 1, 10 -16 WHAT THE PROPHECY means for us: the tree represents God's rulership.for many years, Jehovah used king in Jerusalem to rule over the nation of Israel.( 1 Chronicles 29 : 23) but those kings became unfaithful, and their rulership ended.Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 607 B.C.E.That was the start of the seven times." ( 2 king 25 : 1, 8--10 ; Ezekiel 21 : 25 -27) when Jesus said, Jerusalem will be trumpled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled," he was talking about the seven times." ( Luke 21 : 24) so the seven times" did not end when Jesus was on earth, Jehovah promised to appoint a king at the end of the seven times." The rulership of this new king, Jesus, would bring great blessings for God's people all over the earth,forever--Luke 1 : 30--33 The length of the seven times": The seven times lasted for 2,520 years. If we count 2,520 years from the year 607 B.C.E. we end up at the year 1914. That was when Jehovah made Jesus,the Messiah, king of God's kingdom in heaven.. How do we get the number 2,520? The Bible says that three and a half times equal. 1,260 days. ( Revelation. 12 : 6, 14) So " seven times" is a double that number, or 2, 520 days. The 2,520 days are equal to 2,520 years because of the prophetic rule" a day for a year." --Number 14 : 34 ; Ezekiel 4 : 6,

[@sheinahjeangonzales5642]

Praise Jehovah God, you're so Great forever & ever💖Amen thanks Jehovah and thanks to your Son Jesus Christ, John 3 : 16💖 Jehovah Bless us all

[@leetay9132]

​@@sheinahjeangonzales5642 . Why do you hold to this interpretation? what is there in the Bible to suggest your interpretation?

[@sheinahjeangonzales5642]

@@leetay9132 why is it false?

[@leetay9132]

"If we count 2,520 years from the year 607 B.C.E." Why would you do that? What were the 70 years? Of dominance of Babylon over the nations or servitude of Judahites or depopulation of Judah? Note the sentence "Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination -when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.”" in the following quote from one of the Society's articles? The Isaiah's Prophecy- Light for all Mankind vol.1, page 253, paragraph 21 "Isaiah goes on to prophesy: “It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king.” Following the destruction of the mainland city by the Babylonians, the island-city of Tyre will “be forgotten.” True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king” -the Babylonian Empire- the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination -when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble. What will then happen to Tyre?Can you demonstrate that the first returnees from Babylon did arrive in 537 BCE?" How can 70 years be of desolation, destruction and servitude in Babylon when applied to Judah but only of domination of Babylon as regional hegemon when applied to all the other nations in Jeremiah's prophecy? It sounds like cherry-picking an interpretation to conform to a pre-conceived doctrine in order to support 1914 CE to me. I see no sound exegesis going on here. (Jeremiah 25:12 NWT) “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time. " When do you think the king of Babylon and that nation were called to account? Note that this is AFTER the 70 years are completed. The plainest answer is that this was in 539 BCE with the accession of Cyrus. I'd be interested to hear what the JW explanation of this calling to account in 537 BCE or after is supposed to be. Then there's the plain and simple fact that 539 BCE is as solid date as other dates gleaned from interpreting astronomical tablets linked to Neo-Babylonian Kings. Why use 539 BCE as your absolute date and calculate, figure 2 years later for the first return of exiles and then 70 years earlier to arrive at 607 BCE as the destruction of the temple? It would be just as sound to start with 605 BCE for the accession of Nebuchadnezzar II, figure his 18th year and the destruction of the temple in 587 BCE and calculate the accession of Cyrus 70 years later to be in 517 BCE. Both methods are wrong, but equally invalid. Why choose one over the other? Is it just to protect what is the real fixed date in JW chronology, that of 1914 CE? The claim is that you prioritize the Bible and reject secular chronology, but this is applied selectively. Your 539 BCE date is based on secular chronology fo a start, as noted above. Not only that but if you look at the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel, the obvious prima facie interpretation is that the 70 weeks starts from when Cyrus released the Judahites to reinhabit their land. Yet you reject that because it doesn't fit secular chronology which puts the arrival of Jesus much later than the Cyrus based interpretation would suggest. Instead you mangle another bit of Secular chronology to have Artaxerxes' 20th year in 455 BCE. Why do you stick to what looks to you like the natural interpretation of the 70 years prophecy in the face of overwhelming secular evidence against the idea but opt to mangle less secular evidence in not taking the plain interpretation of the 70 weeks prophecy? It seems inconsistent. Then we could turn to the complete lack of secular evidence in support of your 607 BCE date. How would you identify that you have adopted a correct interpretation? Would you expect the secular evidence to conform to a correct interpretation or to at least have a solid alternative explanation for why the secular evidence is being misinterpreted? Clearly the evidence doesn't fit your model and the Society has no explanation for why it doesn't and can offer no account of the 20 years of history they claim must exist but for which there is no record. How can you believe this interpretation? What would disprove it? If you can think of no way to disprove it, you have no way to test it. If you have no way to test to see if the model is real or false, how can it be relied upon?

[@sheinahjeangonzales5642]

@@leetay9132 you mean you're right?

[@Maxracer-ft5kv]

And if you go measure the Giza Pyramid Im sure you can further substansiate your case lol.

[@MrDJCue]

Jamie, your camera quality is amazing. Mind sharing the equipment you use and also the software you use to render your videos?

[@JamieBigham]

Hey DJ I am using Nikon D5300 and PowerDirector 13. My friend and I are just amateurs. Wish we had a professional to guide us or even take over lol.

[@mulder1203]

@@JamieBigham there's no year 0 that's why came to 606 just by subtracting

[@JerryJones1914]

@@JamieBigham Now at this comment I can believe you about your camera but not your lie on 607BC.

[@jwpublisher1]

@MrDJCue Ha Ha, I get what you're saying! Ditto!

[@Perineon]

Thank you for this video. Helped me understand why JW's claim 607 BCE.

[@ChangedWayz]

does not mean its true nor accurate. God bless you!

[@Parker3Curry30]

@@ChangedWayz It is truth

[@Parker3Curry30]

I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW MANY PEOPLE MISSED WHAT HE SAID! JWs Math is correct. Make it work without the 70yr exile!

[@qristhe1]

Well when you use your own sources to prove you're right it doesn't really mean anything. The reason why archaeology says 587 BCE period is because of the Babylonian cuneiform tablets. Which also maps out the exact existence of star and planets location. These skies don't re occur for thousands of years. The watchtower also has used the same cuneiform tablets to prove the existence of Nebuchadnezzar. The 1914 belief started by measuring out the pyramid of Gaza. Very easy to find!

[@andrewgraham6496]

The WT (JWs) never need the cuneiform tablets to confirm the existence of Nebuchadnezzar and why? simple, old Neb is mentioned in the bible itself, by name! The OP video, shows, that the Archaeologists are using guess work and omit pertinent information, as the OP video clearly shows, even WIKI has fallen for these half truths and certain dates are clearly wrong, lest all four prophets, who mention the 70 years are wrong and if JWs truly have it wrong, it throws out many OT prophesies, one being, that, the Messiah did not come and was baptised in 29 CE, so, secular and atheistic scholars, most not even believing the bible to start with, with the help of some apostate ex-JWs are in essence, calling the bible and its prophets liars and at best mistaken and deluded! As far as I am aware most, if not all, agree that the exile was for 70 years and that Babylon fell in 539 BCE, the Jews left after a 2 years grace period , so the Maths is rather simple, 607 607 - 537 = 70 years the problem with many scholars, is that, they acknowledge no power higher than their secular and atheistic selves and mere use the bible to pick holes in it and many fall for their tactics, well, WIKI is one of them!

[@timothysdog6130]

I was brought up JW and never doubted but this has troubled me as an adult. Thank you for proving 6O7 BCE is the correct date. It has given me some peace of mind

[@JerryJones1914]

No he lied to you just like Jehovah's witnesses...

[@JerryJones1914]

He refused to give anyone reference and sources on this false date 607 BC.

[@schleprock000]

@@JerryJones1914 Not true. He clearly said he got his information from "the internet".

[@JerryJones1914]

@@schleprock000 True the Internet is teaching the truth about the lies of watchtower and Jehovah's witnesses.

[@richnewport9549]

I think you might want to check these timelines up with the dead sea scrolls and the Septuagint. I know the pre flood genealogy timeline doesn't line up or agree with the masoretic text which is where modern bibles get their old testament from.

[@brooklynspeaks5716]

Excellent presentation. Thanks

[@ibettch4122]

Jamie, can you analyze 1914? I am fully convinced about 607 BCE.

[@swspiritchaser]

All I see here is HATRED, when this is supposed to be about love!!!

[@philipwest4553]

@@debbie8023 Christmas is not a pagan holiday. No pagan in ancient times ever heard of Christmas. Christmas is a Christian holiday. It is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. It is like the celebration of the angels, the shepherds, and the magi who came to bow down in worship before Jesus.

[@random2188]

@@philipwest4553 sorry to burst you bubble read james ch 10 Then research nimrods birthday Also if you have time research constantine a Die hard paganist

[@philipwest4553]

@@random2188 There is no chapter 10 in the letter of James in the new testament. The last chapter in James is chapter 5.

[@random2188]

@@philipwest4553 i am so sorry hahahaha its jeremiah ch 10

[@robdillinger3112]

This is about accuracy. If its 10% false, its 100% misleading

[@stevenlopez2731]

Just read The Gentile Times Reconsidered. That has all the proof you could ever want.

[@JamieBigham]

I’ll stick to the Bible brother.

[@literaryfilmagent]

Lol~! You are right!

[@joecollard1426]

God, bless YHWH people....

[@EliasReaper]

The Tetragrammaton translated is YHWH or Yahweh and in modern English it is JHVH or Jehovah. No matter what translation or language you want to use it is Gods personal name that was presented to Moses. The global veil and complex lies of the wicked one has mislead many people over centuries from knowing and serving the one true God who is JEHOVAH. The internet can be a dangerous place for those who are seeking the truth of God.

[@gamelord3135]

​@@EliasReaperdo you refer to him as Yahweh or Jehovah?

[@dannyroosenboom3640]

Jeremiah said that the rule of the Babylonians would be seventy years , "the nations will serve for babylon for seventy years" . this does not mean that the exile would last for seventy years.

[@nildagarciasaldivar2026]

He is right

[@jimgourlay4430]

Wikipedia, 'I googled this and that' - not the way to do history as any historian knows. Flawed method leads to flawed conclusions

[@sludgewave4786]

true dat...And it's the internet that is wrong. but on the other hand JW are highly advise not to read anything that would go against the watchtower teaching. I know I was one pf them for 25y

[@brandish_0003]

Sludge Wave aye another ex-jw here. Prob is he is making the assumption the bible is reliable

[@MrJmurp]

No Human or Human Organisation Is Infallible. God Almighty likes People Questioning Things "Respectfully" & When You Become Angels/gods You Will Understand, That Almighty God Created All Things with Imagination & Free Thinking, Its The Ones Who Took Over for The Last 2000 Years that Have Shut Up Heaven and The Source of All Life & Existence The Most High God Almighty

[@terencelutre6195]

Dude, good effort but you need to take a look at this book : ' The Gentile Times Reconsidered' by Carl Oloff Johnson. 607 is completeley wrong

[@JamieBigham]

What year did the 70 year exile begin?

[@terencelutre6195]

In chapter 5 'the 70 years for Babylon' is explained. First he shows that the 70 years refer to the period of subservience to Babylon, not to Jerusalem's desolation. Therefore the right question to be asked is: When did the period of servitude begin? Jeremiah's prediction of the 70 years in chapt. 25:10-12 did not refer to a period of complete desolation of Jerusalem, but a period of servitude, not for Judah, but for "these nations", that is, the nations surrounding Judah. The answer to the right question therefore is that the servitude evidently began in 605 B.C.E Although it is true that the servitude of a number of nations turned out to be somewhat less than 70 years, the prophecy does not clearly imply that the 70 years "for Babylon" should be reckoned from 605 B.C.E It must be remembered that all nations were predicted to become servants of Babylon: "all the nations must serve him and his son and his grandson" (Jeremiah 27:7, NW) Some nations had become subject to Babylon even prior to the battle of Carchemish in 605 B.C.E If the 70 years "for Babylon" are counted from the time when Babylon crushed the Assyrian empire, thus beginning to step forward as the dominant political power itself, even a more exact application of the 70 years is possible. If the Babylonian supremacy is reckoned from 609 B.C.E, the year that marked the definite end of the Assyrian empire, exactly 70 years elapsed up to the fall of Babylon in 539 B.C.E. This period may be counted as the "seventy years for Babylon" (Jeremiah 29:10)

[@JamieBigham]

How does the "period of servitude" coincide with Zedekiah's 11 year rule IN YOUR VIEW please? Are you saying that this "period of servitude" by the Jews did not have to be a 70 years minimum? Thank you brother.

[@terencelutre6195]

Servitude should not be taken to mean the same thing as desolation and exile. To serve Babylon meant to be a vassal and therefore be spared from desolation and deportation. Thus only the nations that refused to serve Babylon would become devastated. This fate at last befell Judah after about 18 years of servitude, interrupted by repeated rebellions. So, the 70 years of servitude foretold by Jeremiah did not apply to Judah as a nation, but only to the Nations who submitted to the king of Babylon. Jerusalem was desolated in Zedekiah's 11th year. This doesn't alter either perspective. It is quite possible that 70 years were used as a round number. I personally , from my experience of bible studying (which I believe) don't take figures literally, for example I often realised from reading, that in old testament stories "3 days" was repeatedly used as the margin of time between one event to the next. Another example is jewish kings are often reported to have ruled for "40 years." In the gospels there are several differences, numeral-included, while narrating of the same episode.

[@ogama843]

Please search for “When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed?” It’s a series of videos by a KZbin channel called Londo Mollari. Start at video one and watch the whole series. It is very interesting and explains it all. Here is a link to the first video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hH7JhZiOaqxpgsU

[@AlanMF00]

I feel bad for your situation, Jamie, but there are ways to help resolve it. One way is to get your head on straight about the false chronology of the Neo-Babylonian era you were taught by the JWs and that you still accept. The comments section of a KZbin video is no place to hash all this out, so what I say here is necessarily overly simplified. I must also say that fully understanding Neo-Babylonian chronology requires far more knowledge than you've displayed in your comments, so it's no surprise that you've gotten many things a bit, or completely, wrong. Your main error is actually twofold: The JWs do not explicitly claim that "the 70 years" was a period of exile, but of the desolation of Judah. They tend to sort of imply 70 years of exile, but that doesn't work because of the eight month round trip time from Jerusalem to Babylon. Exactly 70 years of desolation of Judah means only 69 years and 4 months of exile -- which they do not teach. Furthermore, the Bible nowhere states that the Jews would be, or were, in exile for 70 years, or that Judah was desolate for that long. You can prove this to yourself by simply writing down the various passages you think speak of a 70-year exile, using many different Bible translations, and understanding what they say. What you'll find is that the 70 years spoken of by Jeremiah were actually a time of Babylonian supremacy over the Near East. That supremacy lasted from 609 BCE, when Babylon conquered the last remnants of the Assyrian Empire, to 539 BCE, when the Medo-Persian Empire under Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon. It's easy to look up this information on the Internet, although you'll find that some dates vary by a year or two. It's surprising to most people that you need only two Bible passages to establish what I said above. The following are from the latest New World Translation. The first says that Nebuchadnezzar "carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign . . ." (2 Chronicles 36:20). Clearly then, Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty ended when the Persians began to reign in 539 BCE. That pins the end of "the 70 years" of Babylonian supremacy to 539 BCE. The second directly defines Babylonian supremacy as the servitude of many nations to Babylon: " '. . . these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years. But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,' declares Jehovah . . ." (Jeremiah 25:11-12) Other translations use "punish" in place of "call to account". When was "the king of Babylon" punished? Obviously in 539 BCE, when Cyrus' army invaded the city of Babylon and killed King Belshazzar, thus ending Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty. Daniel chapter 5 gives many details of these events. Thus, 2 Chron. 36:20 and Jer. 25:11-12, all by themselves (of course, in combination with various cuneiform tablets), establish that "the 70 years" ended in 539 BCE. Almost all other Bible passages bearing on this are clearly consistent with the above two. A handful of others are ambiguous, but easily understood in light of the clearly unambiguous passages. You referred to one of these ambiguous passages in your comment to John Cedars: > Actually it does not. The passage is ambiguous and can be understood the way you say, but it can also be understood in other ways. So let's see what it says, along with verse 20 which I quoted above. Nebuchadnezzar: > Jeremiah 27:6-7 states: > 2 Chron. 36:20 clearly describes the fulfillment of this passage, as verse 21 confirms: "to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah". Now, "Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah" cannot refer to "sabbaths", since Jeremiah nowhere speaks of a sabbath rest of the land, but must refer to what Jeremiah said about the Jews becoming servants to Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty until the 70 years of Babylonian supremacy were over, which is unambiguously stated in verse 20 and which occurred in 539 BCE. The author inserted the phrase "until the land had paid off its sabbaths" as a reference to Leviticus 25 and 26, where Jehovah describes the punishments he would bring if the Jews failed to obey him. They were to keep the law of the sabbatical years described in Lev. 25, and if not, Lev. 26:34-35 says what would happen: > Note that neither Leviticus nor Jeremiah predicted a sabbath rest of 70 years, and 2 Chron. 36 does not say that the sabbath rest lasted 70 years, but only that "all the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath". In other words, the phrase "to fulfill 70 years" does not refer to the sabbath rest, but "to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah". To put it another way, first the 70 years spoken of by Jeremiah would end, and then the land could become non-desolate and quit its sabbath rest. And yet another way: while the land was desolate, it kept sabbath, which occurred during the 70 years of Babylonian supremacy. With this understanding, and noting that Hebrew was written without punctuation, the passage might be written more clearly: > The God's Word Translation renders the passage along these lines: > Neo-Babylonian chronology has been fairly well established in the main for at least 400 years. It became better established in the late 1800s with the discovery of tens of thousands of cuneiform tablets from Babylonia and Assyria. It became solidly established in historical literature in the 1940s when Parker & Dubberstein published "Babylonian Chronology", which compiled thousands of those tablets into tables listing the reigns of Babylonian kings from Nabopolassar through Nabonidus. Since then, various scholars have largely confirmed and refined their work. For example, based on ambiguity in the Bible (was Jerusalem destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar in his 18th or 19th year?) scholars had long debated whether Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 or 586 BCE. That question was resolved by Bible scholar Rodger Young in favor of 587 in 2004 (see www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwitmt7qxOrYAhVO1mMKHZ4RAe4QFggpMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcyoung.org%2Farticles%2Fjerusalem.pdf&usg=AOvVaw04If9xNNWAyGO0tlNGmHv9 ). It was established hundreds of years ago that Babylonian kings ruled from the 620s BCE down through the 530s. Today the dates are 626 BCE for Nabopolassar's accession year through 539 BCE for the last year of Nabonidus (and his vice-regent Belshazzar). These dates are established by using astronomical information recorded on cuneiform tablets, such as lunar eclipses. The key dates are 621 BCE for Nabopolassar's 5th year (lunar eclipse), 605 BCE for Nebuchadnezzar's accession year (tablets), 597 BCE for the main capture of Jerusalem and deportation of the most important exiles such as king Jehoiachin and Ezekiel (tablets), 568 for Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year (lunar eclipse and lots of other astronomical data), and 523/2 for Cambyses' 7th year (two lunar eclipses). With the overall timeframe established (626 through 539), all that remained was to use biblical information to fix Jerusalem's destruction within it. That is now fixed at 587 BCE. Within that timeframe, "the 70 years" fits perfectly. Since the Bible nowhere defines where "the 70 years" of Babylonian supremacy begins, but only where it ends, pegging the beginning is speculative, but there are good candidates. Since Babylon defeated the last of the Assyrian Empire in 609, 609 to 539 gives exactly 70 years. Since Nebuchadnezzar acceded the throne of Babylon in 605, that gives 66 years -- reasonably close. Obviously there are many loose ends that I have not covered, but I'll touch on some in the next comment. If you really want to educate yourself on all this, get hold of the following books: Handbook of Biblical Chronology, Jack Finegan The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings, Edwin Thiele The Gentile Times Reconsidered, Carl Olof Jonsson There are various websites that I can suggest. One that contains a wealth of basic information and links to other material is this: ad1914.com/

[@rosiegarcia7842]

that's why Babylon was distory there king 👑 thought that he was a God himself and worship idols that have no meaning to the truth

[@KYRA_FX]

@@debbie8023 we didn't change anything (: you should check YOUR bible and use Greek and Hebrew manuscripts alongside.

[@charlessimpson2534]

PROPHECIES THAT POINT TO CHRIST'S RETURN IN 1992-1993 Jehovah's Witnesses use an interpretation of the "7 times" prophecy to point to 1914 as the year of the second coming. The 7 times are 2520 years from the removal of the last king of Judah as God's earthly kingdom representative until the time of Christ's return when Christ becomes God's returned earthly kingdom representative again. The last king, Zedekiah, was removed at the time Jerusalem fell in year 19 of Nebuchadnezzar II. But lots of people have problems with the JW interpretation of this prophecy. Fortunately, there are two other prophecies that also point to the year of Christ's return. The "1335 days" prophecy and the "70 weeks" prophecy. 1. The "70 weeks" prophecy basically has Christ arriving during the 70th week of the THIRD day, and the 70th week of the SEVENTH day of a covenant week of 7 days (each 490 years long = 3430 years) from 1435 BCE to 1996 A.D. The 70th week of the third day is from 29-36 CE; the 70th week of the 7th day is from 1989-1996 A.D. Christ arrives to fulfill the first half of the 70th week the first time, and the second half the 70th week the second time. Thus Christ arrives first from 29 to 33 CE, dying in the middle of the week during Passover at the first coming. Christ returns at the second coming in the middle of the 70th week, thus by Passover of 1993, fulfllling the second half of the 70th week from 1993-1996. So essentially, Christ would return sometime after Passover of 1992 but prior to Passover (April 6) of 1993. The THIRD day (490 years) of the covenant week was from 455 BCE to 36 CE; thus the SEVENTH day of the covenant week would be from 1506 to 1996 A.D. (4 x 490 = 1960 + 36 CE = 1996 A.D.; 1996 - 490 = 1506 A.D.) 2. The "1335 days" prophecy adds 45 years to the end of 1290 days. The 1290 days ends the "dashing of the holy ones to pieces," (Daniel 12:7) an event during the end-times that "never happened before, nor would happen again," a "great tribulation" against Daniel's people. That event was the HOLOCAUST. This tribulation was to be a 7-year period following 62 weeks, that is, 434 years from 1506 A.D. The 7th day begins in 1506 A.D. Sixty-two weeks is 434 years; 1506 + 434 = 1940. Thus the 7-year tribulation would occur between 1940-1947. Of course, this is when the Holocaust occurred, the prophesied "great tribulation." (Matthew 24:21-22, 29) The 1290 days would thus end in 1947. So we simply add 45 years to 1947 and we get 1992. Others have assigned the 1260 days to the Balfour Declaration that occurred in 1917, providing for the Jews to begin to return to their homeland. That would also point to 1947 ending the 1290 days, and 1992 ending the 1335 days. 1260 + 30 = 1290; 1917 + 30 = 1947. 1290 + 45 = 1335; 1947 + 45 = 1992. So we have harmony between two prophecies pointing to 1992-1993 as the year of the second coming. Christ did return on December 25, 1992, so those prophecies were interpreted correctly. But what about the "7 times" prophecy? Based on Christ's return in 1992, the fall of Jerusalem should have taken place 2520 years earlier in 529 BCE. 2520 - 1992 = 528 + 1 = 529 BCE Popular official secular history claims Jerusalem fell in 586 BCE, year 19 of Nebuchadnezzar II. But as Jehovah's Witnesses clearly point out from the Bible, there needs to be a 70-year period for the land to pay back its sabbahs following the fall of Jerusalem and ending in the 1st of Cyrus (2 Chronicles 36:21). The 586 BCE timeline reduces this period by 26 years, contradicting the Bible! In addition, the Jewish historian Josephus claims there were 70 years of desolation/servitude following the last deportation in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II. (Antiquities 10.9.7 and 11.1.1) The Bible contradicts the WTS' claim that the 70 years began in year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar II, but confirms and agrees with Josephus beginning the 70 years at the time of the last deportation in year 23. (2 Chronicles 36:20) At this point we observe something quite interesting. If we date the fall of Jerusalem to 529 BCE (year 19) and begin the 70 years 4 years later (year 23) in 525 BCE, the return in the 1st of Cyrus falls in 455 BCE!! (525 - 70 = 455 BCE) That becomes an interesting observation because the prophecy of the "70 weeks" begins in 455 BCE and it begins with the "word going forth to rebuild Jerusalem," which clearly is a reference to when the work first began in the 1st of Cyrus! (Daniel 9:25) So are we looking at historical revisionism? Is the Neo-Babylonian and Persian timelines some 82 years askew? (537 BCE vs 455 BCE = 82 years) If we can effectively date the fall of Jerusalem to 529 BCE, then we will have THREE prophecies all pointing to the same year of the second coming in 1992-1993. Well, it turns out, it is quite easy to remove 82 fake years from the Persian Period, which has been accomplished. Critical dates recovered are the Peloponnesian War beginning in 403 BCE (vs. 431 BCE). Year 10 of the war in 394 BCE ends a 30-year peace agreement, dating Xerxes' invasion and the Battle of Salamis in 424 BCE. The Battle of Marathon 10 years earlier falls in 434 BCE, which dates the death of Darius I and the year the temple at Jerusalem was completed after 21 years of building starting in the 1st of Cyrus. (Ezra 6:14,15) Add 21 to 434 BCE and we get the 1st of Cyrus occurring in 455 BCE! (434 + 21 = 455 BCE) Voila! The Persians revised their timeline to add enough extra years so that it would cover their claim that Xerxes was the father of Artaxerxes, even though they were actually the same king (now confirmed by Persian archaeology!). This likewise involved revising the Babylonian records which they also controlled. Centuries later when it came time to recover the original timeline, apparently it was decided to leave well enough alone, too much of a scandal, so it was never officially corrected. But as they say, "if you tell a lie enough times it becomes the truth," so the current revised timeline has become like "truth," and now has been used to potentially contradict and question the Bible. But that has now been corrected, obviously. So the Bible prophesied that Christ would return in 1992-1993 via THREE different prophecies, including the corrected dating of the "7 times" prophecy based on Jerusalem's fall in 529 BCE (vs. 607 BCE or 586 BCE). Christ, indeed, fulfilled this prophecy by returning on December 25, 1992 in the middle of a lot of intrigue with the death of the "two witnesses" occurring 3.5 days prior to the second coming (Revelation 11:7-11) on the 25th, and the execution of Fred Franz by Jehovah on the 22nd of December for his participation and complicity in killing the "two witnesses." Now it is time to deal with Christ directly. Some 26 years later, it is time for the "revelation" of Christ to occur. (1 Corinthians 1:7; 1 Peter 4:13; 2 Thessalonians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:7,13; 1 John 2:28 -- Be sure to look up ALL of these scriptures if you're even remotely expecting to survive Armageddon! This is your wake-up call. Recall what happened to Lot's wife.) Are you ready?

[@Drakeshomevids]

Hi Jamie, Having viewed your video and read through some of the comments and your replies, I'd like to add a few varied thoughts of my own. I think a good place to start is by highlighting that this whole 607 thing does not originate with Jehovah's Witnesses or even with the Bible Students. It came from a former Adventist, Nathan H Barbour. Why does that matter? Because there's absolutely no evidence that his personal interpretation of the Bible was anything more than just that. A personal interpretation. It did however grab the interest of one CT Russell. If you want to read more, you don't need to read any apostate literature, the Watchtower’s own history book covers this in detail in 'Jehovah's Witnesses: Proclaimers of God's Kingdom’ 1993. You talk about the 70 years, and as some have pointed out the 70 years refers to the subjugation of Israel plus the surrounding nations/lands: Jeremiah 25:11-12 "And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and *these nations* will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.'And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,' is the utterance of Jehovah, 'their error, even against the land of the Chaldeans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite.’ (emphasis mine) The Bible helpfully lists one of the other lands under subjugation - 'the land of the Chaldeans', showing this didn't just apply to Israel. The other point to flag comes from the scripture. It clearly states that "when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon". When did Cyrus remove the King of Babylon? In the year 539. So what does all that mean? The 70 years was the length of rulership by Neo-Babylonian empire. It was a time of subjugation over Israel and the surrounding nations/lands from 609 - 539. But it HAS to finish in 539 to collaborate the Biblical account. Another interesting point to note is that the Watchtower can be pretty flexible in how they view a 70 year period. In Isaiah 23:15 it talks about a 70 year period. But that’s not backed up by the archaeological evidence. So is the Bible right, and it's 70 years, or is the secular view right? Let's see what the Watchtower says: "Isaiah goes on to prophesy: "It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king." (Isaiah 23:15a) He says: "These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years." (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia's greatest domination-when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above "the stars of God." Isaiah's Prophecy - Light For All Mankind 1 (p. 253) Here we see that a 70 year period doesn't have to be a literal 70 year period, according to the Watchtower. Finally, you did say in one post that you'd read ‘The Gentile Times Reconsidered’. Good news! The author has made the book available for free. You can read it here: goo.gl/TBRcuW It's a tough book to read. It's now over 40 years since Jonsson originally wrote to the Society, and once you wrap your head around the sheer scale of the archaeological finds that back up the secular view of Neo-Babylonian period (interestingly evidence that was dug up *after* Barbours’ interpretation) and the logical conclusions that Jonsson presents across 17 lines of evidence, you may start to find yourself getting quite angry at the scale of the Watchtower’s deception. Many people have been disfellowshipped, and therefore cut off from their families and friends, simply for talking about this deception openly. That's the Watchtowers way of handling dissent. Does God agree? I hope the above is useful to you.

[@andrewgraham9940]

It must be remembered that Jonsson and others were disfellowshipped for apostasy, as they are ex-JWs. Scholars generally agree that, that Israel went into exile for 70 years and that the Jews were released to go back home on the decree of Cyrus, they started their departure in 537 bce, the maths is simple - 537 + 70 = 70 years. It would seem that scholars are trying to fit the bible into their theories, rather than fit their theories into the bible!

[@idiotphd1046]

If you read closer, it states that his first full year was 624 but he was first installed as king in "Elul (August-September)" of 625. Subtract 18 years "19th year of reign" puts you in 607.

[@JamieBigham]

Thank you Vince That's a GREAT HELP!!

[@ibettch4122]

Please research 1914. I'm convinced with your analysis of 607 BCE.

[@JamieBigham]

What is your conviction regarding 1914?

[@ibettch4122]

@@JamieBigham Thank you for responding. This is what I have found. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out," ancient Greek words it this way (Codex Sinaiticus). I find that the key word is NOW. Jesus never gave a definite year nor an approximate year. He simply said NOW. Watchtower claims that Satan was cast out in 1914 because WWI began and that Satan was in a rage and waged war against Christians (Revelation 12:17). However, WWI was a non-discriminatory war, it didn't just kill Christians. "And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent, that is called devil and Satan, that deceives the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (Revelation 12:9). It was the first century Christians that were being persecuted and they were the most persecuted throughout the centuries moving forward (Revelation 12:13). And why would God allow Satan to roam about in the heavens after he had put his Son to death? I believe the Watchtower used 1914 as a prophetic year that the world would end, but it proved a failure.

[@ibettch4122]

@@JamieBigham Thanks for responding. This is what I found. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out," ancient Greek words it this way (Codex Sinaiticus). I find that the key word is NOW. Jesus never gave a definite year nor an approximate year. He simply said NOW. Watchtower claims that Satan was cast out in 1914 because WWI began and that Satan was in a rage and waged war against Christians (Revelation 12:17). However, WWI was a non-discriminatory war, it didn't just kill Christians. "And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent, that is called devil and Satan, that deceives the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (Revelation 12:9). It was the first century Christians that were being persecuted and they were the most persecuted throughout the centuries moving forward (Revelation 12:13). And why would God allow Satan to roam about in the heavens after he had put his Son to death? I believe the Watchtower used 1914 as a prophetic year that the world would end, but it proved a failure.

[@ManoloVintage]

539 Cyrus conquers Babylon. Within his first year he tells the Jews they can go back to Jerusalem. They packed up and had to walk on foot back to Jerusalem so it took a year. 539-2=537. The Jews set foot in Jerusalem in 537 and it's no longer desolate. Take 537+70 years desolation and it comes out to 607BC.

[@JamieBigham]

Hi Manolo. The book of Ezra goes into details about the return from Babylon even giving many of the names of the Jews and their number. I can't remember if it actually tells how many months the journey was.

[@ManoloVintage]

As long as you come up with an end date of Babylon in 539BCE then I can only conclude that 607BCE is the correct date of the destruction of Jerusalem. Not that I really want 607BCE to be the date but I can't work anything else out other than that- keeping to the scriptures mentioning a [70 year] desolation.

[@ManoloVintage]

Everyone agrees with the destruction of 539BCE and i was using that date and counting backwards. Im using that date you keep mentioning! If you say it was 609 then you think they were instantly back in Jerusalem immediately when babylon was destroyed in 539. Therefore YOU did not account for Cyrus setting the decree to return to Jerusalem in his FIRST YEAR and also the time it takes to walk back carrying their belongings with them. Then you will realistically get to the date of 607BCE. I cant even comprehend what we are debating about. When people get a different date they are saying it was not a 70 year desolation but a much lesser time of desolation and thats not scriptual.

[@ManoloVintage]

It's a 70 years of desolation not a 70 years of punishment. And the word desolation means empty so it does take the return of just one nation to set foot in Jerusalem again for it to no longer be empty. Who ever conquers Babylon becomes the King of Babylon and Cyrus was that man so he made a DECREE with authority as the king for the Jews to go back to Jerusalem. So the Jews listened to Cyrus as the new king of Babylon thus serving him as the scriptures say "the Jews will serve the king of Babylon for 70 years."

[@oseus8686]

70 years of desolation for ALL nations, not only for Jerusalem!!

[@justmadeit2]

Jamie, a year in bible times was based on a Lunar calendar with less days than the 365 we have now ? And these days its a different calendar of 365 days. So the calculation that the jws work out for 1914 is wrong, even if 607 was correct as the fall of jerusalem, its wrong because they are calling one year 365 days and the Lunar calendar of the bible was not 365 days. Anyway, no historian accepts 607 as the fall of jerusalem, and they didnt before 1878 when the jws started. So its not some great conspiracy to mislead people. As for the jehovahs witness religion, they are run as a charity so pay no taxes, get free labour on new buildings off their members, have made many false predictions, 1914 would be the end, then 1925, then 1975, then the 1914 generation would be the last, now its an overlapping generation !! Vacinnes werent allowed at one stage, they have brought out yet another version of their bible in 2013, inserting words to match their beliefs, words that werent there in the king james version. They built a building called beth sarim in the 1920s in san diego in preperation of the return of the prophets from the bible !!! There is all i have mentioned above and so much more that is kept from its members, oh and shunning people who leave etc, and the australian royal commision in to child abuse within their religion and how its not reported to the police because of the 2 witness rule. If out of all the religions on earth would god allow them to get so much wrong if they were gods channel ?? , ie : preciting the end, covering things up, the new light every few years or so etc. They are just like all the rest, there are a few at the top of their organisation who are getting extremely rich, dont believe me ? Do the research. Good people within their relgion are being mislead.

[@EXJW-ACTIVIST]

70 years of exile is completely wrong. It is a wrong interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10. The original Jeremiah prophecy was not about the 70 years of exile, but the time Jehovah imposed on Babylon. After 70 years, Babylon would be reckoned in 539 BC. That's it.

[@JamieBigham]

You need to read your Bible bro. Take a look at second Chronicles 36, verses 19 to 21.

[@EXJW-ACTIVIST]

@@JamieBigham I have read yes. Ezra wrote the Chronicles more than 100 years after Jeremiah. Daniel wrote his prophecies more than 40 years after Jeremiah. Ezra and Daniel were both referring to that original prophecy of Jeremiah, spoken by Jehovah to the Babylonian world empire. Therefore, we need to go back to the sources and see what Jeremiah was actually prophesying about. Did he mean 70 years for the Jews in exile, or did he mean 70 years for the Babylonian world empire? Jeremiah was talking about the 70 years that Jehovah decreed for the Babylonian world empire. After that, Jehovah would call Babylon to account according to prophecy. This happened in 539 BC. The year 539 BC is an important anchor point for determining events in the Bible. Another such date is 29 AD (see Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 458) This anchor point (539 BC) can also be used to calculate the year of Jerusalem's destruction using the Watchtower Society's own literature. Watch the video where I explain this (unfortunately in finnish, but you get the point): kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ2aaIhmnLJ3ebc

[@JamieBigham]

@@EXJW-ACTIVIST second Chronicles said that the land of Israel had to be at Sabbath for 70 years. Stop twisting everything.

[@EXJW-ACTIVIST]

​@@JamieBigham That's not what it means. In this verse, Ezra combines two things: the curse in the Law of Moses about keeping the Sabbaths for disobedience, and Jeremiah's prophecy about the 70 years prescribed for Babylon. It does not refer to 70 sabbatical years. In practice, the Jews were in exile for much less than 70 years. Try to see this whole thing objectively. And don't stubbornly hold on to the year 607 BC invented by the Society, by which they merely artificially empowered the governing body through the 1914 doctrine. Read chapters 25 and 29 of Jeremiah carefully in context and notice that the original prophecy said nothing about the exile of the Jews.The 70-year prophecy was only and exclusively about Babylon's world domination.

[@JamieBigham]

@@EXJW-ACTIVIST Bro my video is for people interested in the truth

[@jeffpeff]

Careful...the JW might actually use this as “new light”, lol 😝

[@lovelydoves6792]

Jeff Peff lmao right 😂🤣

[@johnnylnowlin]

BEROEAN.ORG - Witty and almost true!

[@jont39]

Jeff Peff how can something that has been said by JW's for decades be new light

[@jeffpeff]

live let liv I mean that the convoluted way he arrives at 607 could be adopted as new light. It was a tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor. Some folks got it. The JW’s only use 607 to support 1914, and well, that ship has sailed.

[@jeffpeff]

Henry Santiago I take nothing from the Catholics. There is no support for 607. Makes no difference to me anyway, because I’m not trying to predict anything.

[@BC-xt3yo]

Great Job...keep it up!

[@JamieBigham]

Thanks RMK! God bless!