Jehovah's Witnesses Bizarre Ransom Disproved

[@manases79]

Absolutely flawless in your explanations. I love that you show me what the bible says and not man.

[@Janice-d-witnessing]

Well said! I have to admit it makes my skin crawl when they use the word ransom, because it doesn't really mean much at all in their view. WT has taught JWs to believe that they are good people who just sometimes make mistakes. They even think that if it were them in the garden instead of Adam and Eve, they would never have sinned and everyone would be living on "paradise earth" forever.

[@scottgrey2877]

We sinned when Adam sinned that is what they believe

[@Janice-d-witnessing]

@@scottgrey2877 Well, sort of... The ones I've talked to seem to really look down on Adam and Eve because they feel that if it were _them_ instead, _they_ wouldn't have eaten the fruit. So they're annoyed with them or something because now they're "imperfect" and "make mistakes" that require them to work hard for the opportunity to live on paradise earth. It's like "Stupid Adam and Eve ruined everything. I would have never done that."

[@tina-xu7nf]

LoD thank you for this i do enjoy your channel and hope it reaches many jw's and others also including tonga khan s/he should enjoy this one too...

[@evanwindom3265]

This is what they say about the ransom on their web site. "Only Jehovah God could provide a suitable ransom for Adam’s descendants. He alone could cause a human to exist whose life force did not come from Adam. This was accomplished by transferring the life force of *one of his spirit sons* to the womb of Mary. By the regular process of birth a human was then born whose life did not come from Adam through procreation. Because it did not, Christ was perfect and free from inherited sin. He was not in captivity to sin and death. Because Christ came into the world in this fashion he was human with all the human life rights possessed by Adam before sinning. *He was Adam’s equal* and thus a suitable ransom for mankind. " Christ is Adam's EQUAL, and the result of the implantation of the life force of one of God's "spirit sons" in Mary? Just bizarre.

[@dexterf.i.joseph2502]

Couldn't find this quote on their website.

[@evanwindom3265]

@@dexterf.i.joseph2502 Search for "suitable ransom". Open the article from the 1958 Watchtower labeled "What Did Christ Ransom". Scroll down to the heading "How Ransom For Man Was Provided".

[@SunnyLaraJr.]

@@evanwindom3265 what’s the month date of the publication brother?

[@evanwindom3265]

@@SunnyLaraJr. w58 2/1 p.68 is how it's marked on their site, so I'm guessing Feb 1, '58.

[@scottgrey2877]

@@evanwindom3265 It was not God who sinned

[@ceajaye2657]

WOW - this explains SO MUCH! I could not understand why the Gospel wasn’t SO beautiful to the JWs who kept coming to my house. It’s because they don’t know they are desperate dirty sinners! But - that’s literally the theme of the WHOLE Bible! 😮😢

[@avelinolopez3455]

In the kingdom hall the word sin. Repent. Does not get mentioned at all and no one in there is led by the holy spirit.. a lot of corruption they believe there religion more than the Bible

[@anniesavedbygrace]

Awesome as usual thankyou so much I appreciate what you do more than I can Express x

[@consumedbyfire1359]

Incredible. God bless you and your ministry. This so good. This is a false gospel and thus a false Christ they serve.

[@dianeexley1709]

Good stuff! I like the "No...NO!!Thanks so much 🙏👍

[@kevinfromcanada4379]

As aways, well done!

[@UnashamedofJesus]

Interesting...so the JW's don't believe you need to repent for your sins basically, they believe they are declared righteous because they are a JW....makes sense...God bless you!

[@NickHawaii]

You couldn’t be further from truth. Good grief.

[@555chan]

Could Jesus commit sin while he was on earth?

[@cygnustsp]

Chuck Russell came from a lawyer family. That's where the whole legal one for one equal for equal justice thing comes from. JWs actually say that it didn't have to be the Word becoming flesh, it could've been any angel. Now granted, Christianity still has a lot of weird stuff to explain about the ransom but the JW version is nothing more than a legal contract from Genesis 3:15 being fulfilled. Nothing really extraordinary, just the balances of justice being exercised. Side note: JWs make a big deal about Russell splitting from Barbour the Christadelphian because Barbour 'denied the ransom'.' He didn't, he argued that there was nothing wrong with Christ taking his physical body back, as God could have a fly could do the same, but Russell thought taking back his body would legally nullify the ransom. The thing about JWs is they have to have a logical, legal reason for everything. Christians simply go with what the Bible actually says, in context, with all its contradictory statements of faith, and don't sweat the details (such as, what is a resurrected, glorified, spiritual body?"

[@scottgrey2877]

Jehovah's Witnesses believe he was a perfect man not an angelic being on earth but was an angel before he was made flesh

[@MrPoohman1981]

Can you do a video on Babylon the Great? What is it or what could it mean

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Oohh that’s a big topic. I would definitely do I from the JW perspective and how it’s not Christendom. The identity of Babylon really depends on one’s view of Revelation. I tend to lean that it’s all historic now, but I have an open mind.

[@laurelin3422]

Yes please.

[@DotNetDemon83]

Hey! Don’t blame me!

[@MrPoohman1981]

I don’t know what to say 😂 you the best on religion in my opinion. I like how you are able to point out or agree to some things and show what not true in others. Absolutely unbiased and a good teacher. Keep u the good work! How do you choose a topic to discuss? You take requests?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Topics I’ll choose based on conversations or watch towers I’ve read. And I absolutely take requests. Next video is on what to say to witnesses at the door ( since they’re going out in service now ) but request away and I can get one up soon

[@MrPoohman1981]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry i recently spoke with a JW elder. I explained to him how different religion is in the Eastern part of the world. They don't do drawings of Moses, Paul or have plays etc. Because its idolatry to them. He said they are crazy. Then I asked him would he hang a picture of Christ if a Catholic gave it to him he said No. I asked would he hang a drawing done by the governing body he said yes. I asked whats the difference lol. I asked if thats violating Exodus 20:4-5. He said he'll get back to me but never did.

[@anonymousprofessor8866]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry I have a humble request for a future video and shout out on an intriguing topic "Can JWs truly believe that Jehovah and Jesus exist whilst being a member of their Religion?" I ask this question because JWs more often than not become Atheist when they wake up and leave the group.(possibly an agenda by Satan?) "Satan Got em while they are in and got em while they are out" JWs ask incredibly ridiculous questions like, "If this is not "The Truth" then I don't know what is?" Or "Where else is there for me to go to?" I was never a JWs but heard 2 elders trying to convince me JWs were God's only true religion ask these questions. "If this is not "The Truth" then I don't know what is?" John 14:6 debunks that question. Or "Where else is there for me to go to?" John 14:6 also debunks this question. When a JWs wakes up and realizes that they were in a false religion, it doesn't mean Jehovah and Jesus suddenly just stopped existing. Well only if a JWs didn't actually truly believe that they existed in the first place. The membership into the JWs high control group is nothing more than a "Live Forever in Paradise & Hope I Never Die" insurance policy in the event that Jehovah does actually exist It's a policy for folks who become too afraid of their own death. Which ironically stems from the groups false teachings regarding the soul and death.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@anonymousprofessor8866 Funny enough, this is actually on my list. It answers the question "Why are so many ex-JW's atheist's." Over 90% that leave become atheist's, You don't see those extreme high numbers in Christians, Catholics, Muslims, or Jews. Reason being, the JW org does a very good job at making everyone else look false, more "we're right be process of elimination." Also the org is seen as God. I've asked witnesses "If the org is wrong does that mean Jesus didn't historical rise from the dead," and many say YES! So they are cemented in the Truth of Christ, but the Truth of the Org. Basically the video will be about "Who really is their foundation," As Christian's God, Christ, his word, his death and resurrection, and that's it, not so much for witnesses. Might be a few weeks out, still a few more projects before hand, but yes, will definitely be making this video. Great minds think alike :)

[@scottgrey2877]

@@anonymousprofessor8866 so you think the soul does not cease?

[@PaulaSays123]

Amen.

[@NickHawaii]

Jesus: “just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many”-NASB Who should I believe? Jesus? Or this fast talking guy on the internet?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Yeah, a ransom for many, not a perfect life for a perfect life, or ransom for what Adam lost. Maybe ask yourself, who should you believe, Jesus or 9 men in New York.

[@jeremiahrowesr.3130]

Light over dark ministries another good video coming on brother I can’t wait to see it. Hey I got something to show you real quick I’m not joking on this I literally just watched a video, that said five reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity, it’s not even a Christian thing it’s from the stupid Jehovah’s Witnesses.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Oooohhhhh link please!

[@johndogwater]

You know whose sin/salvation isn't mentioned in either scenario? Eve. But I guess that's just because women don't matter.

[@richbaker7187]

noo....NNNOOOO!!!! I love it. On point. As always. Now let the jw trolls run wild. You know who you are.

[@evanwindom3265]

Yep -- you can hear the angry footsteps beating their way down the hall already.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t at all curious about the JW troll response. 😂

[@mattgardiner614]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Am I a troll? I thought you wanted to engage in dialogue with Witnesses? If you want this channel to be an echo chamber, that's cool. I've noticed less-and less Witnesses bothering to comment on these videos over time, anyhow.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@mattgardiner614 There’s a difference between honest people and trolls. asking honest or challenging questions, or even attempting reconciling the verses I presented isn’t being a troll. Coming on my Channel and blasting the same message over and over again and refusing to answer questions, makes someone a troll. I encourage open exchange of ideas, I don’t encourage someone just shouting their opinions, no matter what side of the fence they’re on. I don’t need to list names, its pretty obvious who I’m talking about, and If you must know, I don’t consider you part of that troll group.

[@mattgardiner614]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Well, thank you. I appreciate that. ( "I don’t consider you part of that troll group.") It does seem I misunderstood your comment, and for that I apologize. I thought you were calling all the witnesses trolls. Also glad to see you say "Coming on my Channel and blasting the same message over and over again...no matter what side of the fence they’re on." Because there certainly are some non-witnesses that frequent the comment sections who fit that bill too.

[@simplifiedlife8607]

This is the issue with Christianity, the incredible amount of disagreement over nearly everything, a battle centuries old. You beat up the jw's (deservedly) but there is so much discord and division among "Christians" it turns people like me (an ex-jw) off to the Bible and Christianity. I was a witness for 45 years and knew little of the fractured nature of Christian groups. The Bible is written in such a way that it makes disagreement and debate inevitable. It's hard for me to believe that God would inspire a book that is the most divisive ever written by far.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Believe me I totally get where you’re coming from. There’s nothing more than I despise than Christians hating and separating over a non essential issue. Debate I encourage, but it moves beyond that.I think you’ll find, among the many denominations, there isn’t has much division as it seems. Almost all agree with the essential doctrines, and still a majority agree on the non essentials. Groups come about over style preferences, execution, location, etc. I think even if the Bible was 1 page of very explicit instructions on how to know God, people would still disagree, cause for a lack of a better term…people suck.

[@simplifiedlife8607]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Thanks for responding. I see what you're saying, but classifying things as essential or non-essential is open to yet another depressing debate, it's all based on human opinions as to how essential things are, this is why there are so many denominations and sects.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Thank you for responding. I personally think it's pretty laid out in scripture what the Gospel is, who Jesus is, and most importantly, how to be saved. Jesus was pretty clear about what to believe in. He simplified it, and made it about loving God, loving neighbor, and putting trust in him. An honest read of the Bible you can understand the essential is loving God and others, putting trust in the person and work of Christ, and making sure the Christ you're believing is the real one, and not the one from someone's imagination. When you compare the groups of believers in the world, they are all united on that. You see a pattern with the wacko's, who put the emphasis on their group and not God. When someone misplays Mozart, I don't blame Wolfgang, but the person who playing. People will watch opinions on all types of literature, but doesn't mean I don't enjoy Shakespeare because there's some disagreements. I'm certainly not going to ignore the historic resurrection of Christ because people have misread what he said about himself. @@simplifiedlife8607

[@simplifiedlife8607]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry I totally agree with you about certain things being more important, but dang, why so many "things written" ( like Revelation ) thay are inscrutable? Oh well

[@mattgardiner614]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Hi. We've butted heads on this issue many times before. (Essential vs Non-Essential). Explain to me how you can have 'Salvation is through Jesus Christ' in your so-called 'Apostles Creed' (Essential), but how to AVAIL yourself of it - purely passive, a feeling/belief that you are saved, once for all time, regardless of what you may later do ('Once Saved, Always Saved') or some kind of demonstration is required (I guess most of you would call that "works") - are non-essential. It makes absolutely NO sense. It's absurd. They are diametrically opposite.

[@marianna280]

It would be much better If you would please speak slowly, not that quickly that I can't get it! Drawing and talking is too fast!!!

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

Bizarre.

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

@@scottgrey2877 Hebrews 2 : 17 and Hebrews 4 : 15

[@scottgrey2877]

@@Episcopalianacolyte Jesus was tempted because he had the tendencies to sin

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

@@scottgrey2877 please explain why you repeated your statement. I am unable to understand.

[@scottgrey2877]

@@Episcopalianacolyte man always had the tendencies Adam sinned because in his nature he had the tendency death is natural

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

@@scottgrey2877 I have hears that before. No thank you.

[@carlarmarie7139]

TRUE or FALSE, is Jesus God if he had to be given Kingdom rulership? "You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity," Daniel 2:37, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures “You yourself, your majesty, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given royalty, dominion, might, and glory," Daniel 2:37, The Bible in Living English "Thou, O king, art king of kings, unto whom the God of heaven hath given the kingdom, the power, and the strength, and the glory;" Daniel 2:37, American Standard Version "Thou O king art the king of kings,-for the God of the heavens hath given unto thee the kingship, the might, the power and the dignity;" Daniel 2:37, The Emphasized Bible "Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory." Daniel 2:37, King James Version FALSE, If Jesus was God, he would have already had this and no other would have to give it to him. See also Matthew 28:18 where the resurrected Jesus confirms this. 🤗

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

True. Because Jesus is fully man and fully God, and his flesh, that of Christ which is man, was given all authority in heaven and earth, and was ruling kings as king in 33Ad (rev 1:5)

[@jameslomax1367]

Jesus died sinless

[@chapmaned24]

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree

[@craiglittle7367]

Disproved in your own mind maybe. From the same guy that thinks Jesus is a liar and was wrong when he told us the Father alone, by himself, without a companion, is the the only true God. John 17:1,3 “…just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and give his life as a RANSOM for many” Mt 20:28 Stop believing the unbiblical nonsense taught to you by men my friend.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Craig…..show me on this video where I was wrong. Show me how my conclusions are unbiblical and I will delete this video.

[@craiglittle7367]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry You’re misrepresenting Jehovah’s Witnesses beliefs. Again. JW don’t believe Jesus traded his perfect life for Adam’s perfect life to pay for Adam’s sin, as you stated. What was lost in the Garden? Perfect life. All Adam’s children inherited sin and the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 All of us deserve death. Jesus had perfect life. He didn’t have to die to satisfy Romans 6:23. A ransom is defined as an “a price paid to release someone or buy back, the price to covers or pays the cost of something”. No human could pay back to God what was lost. Except for one man… Jesus stood in our place at his death, he made the payment for us, as a ransom or exchange of perfect life, paying for the sins of those who believe. He didn’t have to die, but he did! His perfect life could be used to remove the death sentence handed down to all Adam’s children. Jesus’ ransom perfect life sacrifice pays for the sins of all mankind….For those that put faith in Christ and accept this wonderful gift. John 3:36 Romans 3:23-24

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@craiglittle7367 Please don’t copy and paste from the Watch Tower. I asked you to disprove what I just taught, not just repeat the same nonsense I just debunked

[@craiglittle7367]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Those are all my words. And I already told you. Jesus didn’t trade his perfect life for Adam’s perfect life…as your stated. Jesus will allow believers to use his perfect life sacrifice, as he didn’t have to die, as a ransom or exchange, to cover their own sins before God. Jesus died for all believing. I’m not surprised…you misrepresent a lot.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@craiglittle7367 "corresponding ransom" a ransom corresponding to what, the sins of the people, or the perfect life adam lost?