To Whom Did Jesus Pay Our Ransom?

[@robertcarrillo2246]

St. I think Gregory the Theologion put it best: *_"Now we are to examine another fact and dogma, neglected by most people, but in my judgment well worth enquiring into. To whom was that Blood offered that was shed for us, and why was It shed? I mean the precious and famous Blood of our God and High Priest and Sacrifice."_* *_"We were detained in bondage by the Evil One, sold under sin, and receiving pleasure in exchange for wickedness. Now, since a ransom belongs only to him who holds in bondage, I ask to whom was this offered, and for what cause?"_* *_"If to the Evil One, fie upon the outrage! If the robber receives ransom, not only from God, but a ransom which consists of God Himself, and has such an illustrious payment for his tyranny, then it would have been right for him to have left us alone altogether!"_* *_"But if to God the Father, I ask first, how? For it was not by Him that we were being oppressed. And next, on what principle did the Blood of His only-begotten Son delight the Father, who would not receive even Isaac, when he was being sacrificed by his father, [Abraham], but changed the sacrifice by putting a ram in the place of the human victim? (see Gen 22)."_* *_"Is it not evident that the Father accepts Him, but neither asked for Him nor demanded Him; but on account of the incarnation, and because Humanity must be sanctified by the Humanity of God, that He might deliver us Himself, and overcome the tyrant [i.e., the devil] and draw us to Himself by the mediation of His Son who also arranged this to the honor of the Father, whom it is manifest He obeys in all things."_* CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD TRAMPLING DOWN DEATH BY DEATH!!!

[@LECityLECLEC]

thanks for the biblical amazing answer!

[@paulcohen6727]

The use of the word ransom is only a metaphor. The emphasis isn't on a payment but on liberation from sin and death. The Greek word used here is Lutron, literallly, the price of redemption of a person who fell into slavery because of unpaid debt or the inability to support himself. It's verbal form, Lutrou, means to redeem. It's Hebrew equivalent, Gaal, is also used figuratively in the sense of delivering or freeing. In Exodus 6:6, for example God says that he will redeem Israel from slavery to Pharaoh. But no ransom was given to Pharaoh who allegorically represents the devil, on the contrary, Pharaoh was spoiled and defeated. The metaphorical meaning of redemption or ransom is that of reconciliation or atonement, forgiveness, along with the events that will take place at the second coming, the day of our redemption, including the redemption of our bodies. We can fall into misunderstanding when we take words too literally.

[@AnHebrewChild]

Jesus cried out loud from the cross the beginning of psalm twenty two. At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? His loud cry directs us to the whole of that psalm. This one who was and is our teacher, instructed us to the very end. Having loved his own which which were in the world, he loved them to the end. The end of the psalm: 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, *he heard.* the final verse... They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

[@AnHebrewChild]

The testimony of all saints is this: I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. Matthew writes, "At the ninth hour, he cried" Jesus' words in the upper room to the eleven proved true: Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

[@Ransom-x5z]

People should do stop talking crap when they figure out whom God is holding sides with huu

[@garydunn3037]

According to Ephesians 1 v 7 it states "By means of him (Jesus) we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes the forgiveness of our trespasses" We are comforted by the fact that God, out of his great love and underserved kindness, sent his Son to earth, to ransom us from sin and its consequence, death (1 John 4 v 9 & 10) The ransom sacrifice of Christ is the greatest proof of God's love for us, and illustrates the richness of His underserved kindness. What a relief it is to learn that if we exercise faith in the shed blood of Jesus, our sins will be forgiven and our conscience will be cleansed! (Hebrews 9 v 14)

[@novusordoseclorum1915]

So to "pay for our sins" or whatever that would go to say Humankind was in debt....Many believe to God..... But technically if the "son is the father" we KNOW he couldn't be paid off by submitting his own creation to death...because a "house does NOT stand fighting against itself" This is the equivalent of "Casting out demons with Satan"........NOW....If the "Ransom" or price was paid to satan.....Then that makes even LESS sense than the one before....Because why would God be in Debt? ....and How and WHY to Satan of all people?

[@gimmieprivacy3599]

lol

[@sr71blackbird71]

Man (Adam) was given authority over the Earth. Man sinned (bowing down to Satan), giving Satan authority over the the World (reference Matt. 4:9). Jesus bought the authority back legally as a ransom with his blood.

[@practicalspirituality866]

The Ransom was paid to Helel(Lucifer). Lucifer sinned and was not Forgivenen. So, He decided to make all mankind sin because He knows that the wage of sin is death and without the shedding of blood there is no Forgiveness. So, The Father Most High God decided to give Himself a body (Jesus the man) in order to pay the ransom to Helel (the God of this World) because we (mankind) have made Him our God. In conclusion, The Father Most High God manifested Himself in the Flesh (Jesus) in order to save whoever will believe in Him and sanctify himself; Thus, freeing himself from the condamnation brought to God by Helel, and being justified by the ransom paid by God.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

This is probably the most goofy covering of this topic on KZbin. Negotiation wasn't in the view so I don't know why this included.

[@inspirittruth1985]

Hell as defined by scripture is sheol or the grave. With all due respect you are conflating sheol with the lake of fire which even hell itself is cast into.

[@Frank-rt5wv]

The power of darkness stole Adam's rule by deception, Adam bowed to devil. The devil said to massiah bow to me and I'll give all of this to you wich has been given me. Who gave it to him? Adam right. So colossians 1 say we are dilivered out of the power of darkness by the ransom. so a ransom is always paid to, bad, wicked, evil, yes. The Father provided the ransom to be paid to the God of this age, wish has deceived the whole world. So massiah paid the ransome to the power of darkness to free us from his captivity under curses killing lies. Massiah is the image of the true GOD, you have to come to the conclusion that the evil darkness etc is not the Father massiah represented. After all there is no darkness in the Father, death is his enemy, and can not lie.

[@marvincudjoe]

This makes no sense if you believe Jesus paid the price to God then you are saying God has limitations why would God kill his son to atone for so-called sin it is a mistake and it can be corrected, these fear base teaching was so skillfully planned that there is sin and hell and God will punish you There is no hell, there is only love and forgiveness for all, if you miss the mark you will get another opportunity until you remember you have to accept everything and everyone as equal or valid, and treat them as such because there is a reason for everything that happens this was Jesus Christ teachings and he died to show that death is an illusion that is the message the world needs to HEAR.

[@joshthegringo]

This is ridiculous

[@chabar3419]

Actually there is in the new testament a hint that christ paid to god. Ephesians 5:2: And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice TO God. (no way you can redirect the offering to the adversary...) As well as you said Colossians 2:15: he disarmed the rulers and authorities...triumphing over them. Why should he be paid and then be disarmed? A good one too: Satan spoke through Peter saying(Mat 16:22-23): And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, "Far be it from you Lord!" This shall never happen to you. But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! you are a hindrance to me..." When he gets paid why is he a sissy when it comes for jesus to go to the cross...shouldn't it be:"now finally I get my payment"? Satan is stripped from his power, disarmed, with no chance to condemn anyone who believes in the lord jesus christ. He is the one robbed not enriched. Last one: Mat 12:28:"Or how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods. unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house." the strong man that is binded is Satan and he have been plundered. It's not like: "I bind you first, then I take all the souls you have for slaves(when they agree), then I leave you the payment for them, while you are plundered and binded..." this rarely happens when you get robbed.

[@Troy-Moses]

The ransom was paid to Death.

[@practicalspirituality866]

The Ransom was paid to Helel(Lucifer). Lucifer sinned and was not Forgivenen. So, He decided to make all mankind sin because He knows that the wage of sin is death and without the shedding of blood there is no Forgiveness. So, The Father Most High God decided to give Himself a body (Jesus the man) in order to pay the ransom to Helel (the God of this World) because we (mankind) have made Him our God. In conclusion, The Father Most High God manifested Himself in the Flesh (Jesus) in order to save whoever will believe in Him and sanctify himself; Thus, freeing himself from the condamnation brought to God by Helel(the accuser), and being justified by the ransom paid by God.

[@JonathanGrandt]

Obviously the ransom was paid to the evil one to free us from the dominion of sin and heal us of our sickness of iniquity. How anyone could miss this… It would have to be intentional.

[@Troy-Moses]

No brother... The ransom was paid to Death. God does not negotiate with satan.

[@josephkuzara2609]

No because every animal offering was offered to God to which was a shadow pointing to Yeshua and in the NT it shows that Yeshua offered Himself to Father(heb 9:14) but also that Yeshua was a fragrant sacrificial offering to Father(eph 5:2) Thus Yeshua's blood was offered to Father(heb 9:11-15) as a ransom that atoned and redeemed, triumphing over Satan who held the power of death of those who are sold into the slavery of sin.(heb 2:14-16)

[@sr71blackbird71]

@@Troy-Moses Who has the power of death? Satan. Hebrews 2:14

[@ExperienceEric]

@@josephkuzara2609 You nailed it Joseph, AMEN

[@ExperienceEric]

@@sr71blackbird71 The idea that Satan could force God to sacrifice His son and God had to obey Satan on this is blasphemy.

[@zeudock3118]

God gave His Son as a propitiation was paid to Himself - absurd! Will you pay a ransom to yourself? You blaspheme the Name of God you who shut doors of the Kingdom to EVERYONE whom you preach to!

[@ExperienceEric]

Ephesians 5:2: And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice TO GOD. To deny this is to deny scripture. God the Father is not beholden to any other thing in all creation. Neither Death nor Satan can demand a payment from God. THAT IS BLASPHEMY

[@zeudock3118]

@@ExperienceEric You don't EVEN KNOW what that passage says, gnostic.

[@ExperienceEric]

@@zeudock3118 I just quoted it for you, stop being a clown. It says the same thing it said 1900 years ago. Facts are facts.

[@LEGASItv]

@@ExperienceEric wow. Ephesians 5:2 is a good reference 👍 thank you

[@Troy-Moses]

@@LEGASItv What would you say distinguishes an offering, a sacrifice, and a ransom?

[@johnsonbardin3552]

I was a christian and I left the christianity and I am happy with it. Because christians say he was son of god, but the same book new testament referred him 81 times son of man so he was a son of man. And also Jesus was racist see Matthew 15: 23 to 28 Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel." But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me. Jesus responded, "It isn't right to take food from the children and throw it to the dogs." Yes it is, Lord," she said. "Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table." Then Jesus said to her, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed at that moment. There book is so much of error and I am happy I am no more christian and I am not jew I am gentile and I am not dog. So Mr. Jesus stay away from me.

[@kyosukeshinken1]

It's not the book that is in error, it is you that is in error. You have misunderstood what you have read. You should go to mature Christians to help you read and understand the bible.

[@johnsonbardin3552]

yes...........I was a christian and i left the christianity..........................christianity is the only religion where their God is undercover.............in the whole bible there is not a single verse in new testament where jesus says by himself..........i am your god, creator of the world...worship me..................and even he prayed to some other god..........still people claim he is God........ha ha ha ha......................christians are foolish................and they gave me the reason god died for you.........and i was like............you are making me criminal by saying god died for me..............i am happy i left christianity........................being atheist is reasonable......but being christian is like being foolish......... can you show me a single verse of your new testament where jesus said I am the god creator of the world....worship me................nowhere...just foolish theories to fool people.............holyshitttttttttttttttttttttt The reason for jews to reject the Jesus is that in ISAIAH it says suffering servant it does not say suffering God or Suffering son of God................................so before claiming any prophesy christian should at least think what it says.................................................. I was christian and now i belong to Judaism and Muslims...........I am not unbliever so I dont have to worry I am called cattle or not.....While Jesus said believer or unbeliever you all are genetiles means who are not jew......it means you and I are dog.......both have diffrent scenarion...... JUDAISM AND ISLAM HAVE SAME PRINCIPLE AND THEORY AND SOUNDS SIMILAR...........WHILE CHRISTIANITY SOUNDS MORE SIMILAR AND LOTS OF SIMILARITIES TO HINDUISM..............CHRISTIANITY ALWAYS DIFFERS FROM JUDAISM......................... THERE ARE GREAT RELIGIONS AND POWERFUL RELIGIONS WHICH MAKES SENSE......JUDAISM AND ISLAM........I BELONG TO ONE OF THEM....

[@gonzaloenrique8741]

Johnson Bardin “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ. For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭NIV‬‬ “They are the descendants of our great ancestors, and they are the earthly family into which Christ was born, who is God over all. Praise him forever! Amen.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:5‬ ‭NCV‬‬

[@aloagbayemomodu1073]

This person right here was never a Christian. I'm saying this for the sake of others who would read finding truth. This person is a liar hoping to deceive many. Read the bible and let the Lord speak to your heart.

[@josephkuzara2609]

@@johnsonbardin3552 Exodus 3:13-15 13Then Moses asked God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ What should I tell them?” 14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘YAHVH, the God of your fathers-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob-has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation Before Abraham was I AM John 8:58 John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am, you will indeed die in your sins." John 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man(on the tree), then you will know that I am and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. John 10:27-36 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them everlasting life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

[@CreativeNM-NMworks]

God created death, God created life, God created sin, God created good, God created everything. Jesus dying as a ransom makes no sense. Only fool will be comfortable with no answer as an answer!. I invite you all to Islam

[@JACOBGEORGEBTechECEB-]

My brother God created man gave him life, never did he create sin, man sinned thus lead to his own death. Jesus died to pay for our sins, he put an end to sin and death when he rose again my brother. Jesus is alive and I urge you to seek the truth more. The Bible say seek and you shall find, my brother seek more learn more and trust me God will open your eyes and it shall be revealed to you. God bless you.

[@doriesse824]

NM Graphix That would make His kingdom divided.

[@practicalspirituality866]

The Ransom was paid to Helel(Lucifer). Lucifer sinned and was not Forgivenen. So, He decided to make all mankind sin because He knows that the wage of sin is death and without the shedding of blood there is no Forgiveness. So, The Father Most High God decided to give Himself a body (Jesus the man) in order to pay the ransom to Helel (the God of this World) because we (mankind) have made Him our God. In conclusion, The Father Most High God manifested Himself in the Flesh (Jesus) in order to save whoever will believe in Him and sanctify himself; Thus, freeing himself from the condamnation brought to God by Helel(the accuser), and being justified by the ransom paid by God.

[@doriesse824]

@@practicalspirituality866 Sounds right, but to whom does this apply?

[@practicalspirituality866]

@@doriesse824 It only applies to Believers in Jesus. Only Jesus is the Messiah, the Savior of the World. Those who do not believe in Jesus and do not dwell in Him (Sanctification) are not justified by His Blood. Thus, the condamnation of Helel and the Judgment of God are still in effect on their souls.

[@jesus_is_god_and_you_know_1669]

Christ suffered The Father's wrath so we don't have to.

[@novusordoseclorum1915]

So the Fathers wrath was in the might and strength of the Romans?

[@josephkuzara2609]

Then you render Messiah Yeshua as a illigitimate son of God. Sense all of Gods human children undergo loving discipline and scourging(Heb 12:4-11)Christ being the source and example of our discipline as we participate in Him (Rom 6), yet you want to make Yeshua an exception to How the rigtheous are to be treated in Gods teachings?when God says that the righteous are not appointed to wrath and every son he recieves is disciplined and scourged, that He does not punish the ungodly with the righteous. Which is why Yeshua as a tested and precious foundation stone(isa 28:16) learned obedience by what He suffered even such obedience on the tree.(heb 2:10;heb 5:7-9; philip 2:8) to be made mature for our imitation but to also offer himself as an unblemished ransom to Father to atone and redeem from the slavery of sin and spiritual death.so that in Him we can put to death the devoted desires of sin by what we suffer in learning obedience. In isaiah 53:5 it even renders that the discipline that brought us peace was upon him and by his scourging(stripes) we are healed. The word musar #4148 is not defined as punishment but as correction, discipline, instruction( as from a father to a son) Showing that those who accept PSA have manipulated there english versions to make it agree with there doctrine. Nor was Father pleased to attack(crush) his son but as it should be rendered, He was pleased to (crush daka #1792)contrite him causing him grief(for what we did) that he would render himself as a guilt offering. Yeshua was not treated as a sinner nor as if a sinner by Father nor was He accursed by Father(kjv 1 cor 12:3) But God allowed through his permissive will without approval of those who followed through with Yeshua's unlawful death through his pre-determined plan that Yeshua would offer Himself willingly as a ransom to atone and redeem many. So it was certain people in that time frame who esteemed Yeshua under Gods judgment but they are the ones who treated, judged and condemned him on a tree falsely accusing him as a defiant sinner. While Father was having Yeshua learn obedience by what he suffered as a mortal righteous son in loving discipline and scourging as the pioneer of our salvation to present himself as a blood ransom to Father to atone and redeem thus saving us from under divine wrath. No where does scripture say that God killed Yeshua but that men sentenced him to death on a tree while God raised Him to life because death had no hold on him as a righteous human son. To render Yeshua to die under divine wrath, you must conclude that he was never an elected human child of God,thus never the eternal son of God becoming the embodiment of sin as spiritually dead having a sinful nature sold into the slavery of sin as a child of wrath. To which only Gods enemies are reserved for Gods vengeance through divine wrath nahum 1:2. What is true of yeshuas humanity is true of his person being one person with two distinct natures.

[@practicalspirituality866]

The Ransom was paid to Helel(Lucifer). Lucifer sinned and was not Forgivenen. So, He decided to make all mankind sin because He knows that the wage of sin is death and without the shedding of blood there is no Forgiveness. So, The Father Most High God decided to give Himself a body (Jesus the man) in order to pay the ransom to Helel (the God of this World) because we (mankind) have made Him our God. In conclusion, The Father Most High God manifested Himself in the Flesh (Jesus) in order to save whoever will believe in Him and sanctify himself; Thus, freeing himself from the condamnation brought to God by Helel(the accuser), and being justified by the ransom paid by God.

[@fij715]

That makes no sense since the Father could have forgiven.