Jehovahs Witnesses Criticize The LGBT Community (This Is Bad)

[@ToniTheMink]

“Let’s practice!” *Mom pretends Carrie will take Sophia seriously and convince her moms to stop living in such sin…* REALITY: *Carrie tells Sophia to fuck off*

[@GiGitteru]

As Carrie should!!

[@Jakesmom917]

😂

[@irismp4]

Sophia: If you dont tell your parents to be straight, youll all burn! Carrie: F*CK OFF

[@RockOnTheKitchenTable]

I’d love to see that

[@enimu]

perfect

[@aporue5893]

basically:''my life was miserable and controlled by my husband,so yours should be too'' this is sick.

[@SaxBerry82]

Or controlled by the wife

[@KyouTGD]

Children are the property of their parents. Women are the property of their husbands. Men are the property of their church. No one has any free will except the top levels of church leadership. They might claim to be the property of their god, but their god's demands are always already the things they themselves wanted all along.

[@zbz5505]

@Akairo Kaminari "lesser side of abuse and being easier to leave" is exactly the reason why men who do get abused by their wife's have a hard time seeking out help.

[@alphagiga4878]

I was persecuted for my disability, and rights and privileges being attacked police once implied I was an object and took the side of the abusers

[@car3700]

They have alot in common with evangelicals

[@hexegrams]

i have two moms. growing up i never thought it was different or strange in the slightest. i remember how i would nonchalantly talk to my classmates about “my moms” and was honestly confused when people started asking me weird questions about it. i also had some friends who did try to tell me my family was going to hell. honestly it didn’t make me consider becoming religious, it just highly offended me. i dropped those friends real fast.

[@KatsyKat]

So sorry to hear that, you did the right thing tho :D✨

[@Trendthetide]

U did the right thing

[@YongTre100]

Same exact experience lol

[@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934]

@@YongTre100 myself also but it was my best friends mother,and I ended up living with them instead of my mother because they were nicer and kinder than my own home.

[@Sachin_y28]

Feelings sad that u don't HV a normal natural family

[@summerwoodsmusic]

I burst out laughing at “and their so-called ‘gay marriage’…” Like, bro, if the government gives you a piece of paper that says you are MARRIED, how is it up for debate anymore?!

[@kamaleanglo3065]

I don't trust the government with that type of power, they could just do whatever they like otherwise

[@sussus4586]

Marriage is just a piece of paper, purely legal.

[@VintageBalderdash]

“A contract is just a piece of paper, purely legal.” Okay. Still married.

[@sussus4586]

@@VintageBalderdash you say that like it's not common knowledge, a contract is just legal. Just like marriage, marriage is a thing invented by humans in a attempt to feel more connected, special with another person(s). It holds no weight anywhere else.

[@theghostofyankeejim]

@@sussus4586 Y'know for someone saying nothing of actual value you sure are talking a lot.

[@rigelestbit]

I worked as a nanny for two weeks and the kid's dad was evangelical. The 6 year old kid took one look at my flower tattoo and went "did you find Jesus before or after you did your tattoo? Because Jesus doesn't like tattoos!" and I was flabbergasted. They weaponize kids being clueless and adults not being able to discuss with them (since they're kids) to make them say things to our faces that they can't.

[@istvansipos9940]

a 9-year-young GIRL asked me about allah. Since she asked, I told her that I considered allah just as true as Zeus, Artemis, Ra, and the Turul Bird. The little girl told me that I would go to hell then. This was some years ago. It is a sad thought that she is probably forced to wear at least some head / hair covering gear now.

[@Bunbunfunfun]

You are threatened by the opinion and value system of a child? You have some issues then.

[@istvansipos9940]

@@Bunbunfunfun "You are threatened by the opinion and value system of a child? You have some issues then." Rigel is not threatened. Nor did Rigel claim to be threatened. Rigel used the word "flabbergasted". What's your point?

[@jwx9509]

​@@istvansipos9940 being a dumb idiot apparently.

[@tekbarrier]

@@Bunbunfunfun you are threatened by somebody pointing out that it's wrong to brainwash children? You have some issues then

[@funnysoupman69]

Jehovah's witnesses when someone explains they don't have to make everyone be an exact clone of eachother to be good people

[@lunamoone5231]

Literally

[@shizuwolf]

Sounds like that Twilight Zone episode “just like you”

[@geraldkenneth119]

“One of us one of us”

[@havanadaurcy1321]

The JW's I saw down the coast weekend before last were at their place because the INFORMED ANTI VAXXER AND ALL OTHERS ARE VAXXED SHILLS tried to beat them up.

[@ericlondon2663]

If a Jehovah's Witness was a good person he/she/they wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness. Besides they cannot be involved in politics of any kind so a Jehovah's Witness getting into a debate about LGBTQIA+ politics is literally NOT THEIR LANE. They should sit down and shut up like good fools.

[@soulstenance]

"How can you be happy and gay simultaneously?" The hilarious part is, traditionally, "gay" actually meant "happy". I even remember a Christian song I heard growing up that included a line about being "happy and gay", but gay did not mean homosexual there. 😅

[@AmethystDarke]

"Gay" started as a code word so LGBTQ people could identify each other.

[@FrogsForBreakfast]

Don we now our gay apparel

[@marsar1775]

@@FrogsForBreakfast either definition of gay results in fun apparel

[@Chelaxim]

@@FrogsForBreakfast Flintstones meet the Flintstones we'll have a good time have a yabba doo time we'll have a gay Ole time.

[@daemonsw77]

thats because it Gey not gay...never heard of slang?

[@Milliardo5]

Someone should really create a fan made Caleb and Sophia where they have grown up, woken up and moved away from the JW while being shunned by their parents but then embracing the people they would not have bonded with as JWs....

[@nova14414]

That would be cool, except they probably would be ready to copy right strike the video as soon as it popped up anywhere...

[@philippeamon7271]

Or a version were little Sophia, demands of "teh GAY", they stop doing nasty sex stuff with each other, and gets immediately, viciously gang-raped for an hour and a half.

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

there is one - it doesn't have the best quality but has a nice idea

[@ZeFanatic14]

@@KaliqueClawthorne is there a link?

[@lizd2943]

There is one called Caleb and Sophia All Grown Up. It's very basic animation and computer generated voices.

[@foo9877]

Ngl as a trans person I’m kind of tired of all this media debate and political debate around trans people. We’re just trying to live life like everyone else. We aren’t up for debate, we aren’t political. Everyone needs to stop talking about us like we’re some radical presence tainting society

[@saltdad5263]

literally im so fucking tired of stereotypes being pushed onto me, and constantly having to live in fear of what might happen if i decide to go by the name that i actually feel a connection to and decide to bind my chest. the dysphoria is overwhelmingly miserable and constantly eating at me, yet i still feel safer keeping myself miserable than being myself, just because people have become so sickeningly hateful and bigoted to the point us trans people are seen as more of a debate point than actual human beings.

[@soccerruben1]

I see what you mean, I wondering how are you feeling of allies defending you all against transphobes in debates? Like, did you saw that college student messed up Matt Walsh’s usual schtick by bringing up religion in that viral clip that went on Twitter and some people covered it on KZbin?

[@foo9877]

@@soccerruben1 I haven’t heard of this, mostly because I just try to avoid trans political stuff online. It just brings me stress, tbh. I watch KZbin to try to escape from these things lol. But I always appreciate people who fight on the side of trans people. Allies are really important, especially nowadays. It’s just exhausting to feel like your rights are constantly on debate

[@ghoulgamestalker4265]

The worst part for me is that people force me to be a political issue OR make it hypersexualized because apparently it's only okay if it's helping them get off

[@foo9877]

@@ghoulgamestalker4265 definitely agree. So frustrating when it’s made into a sexual thing

[@brennan-the-python]

Trans man here. That means I was born female but identify as male. I remember when I first came out to my mom, she cited the verse at 13:06 to me. My response was "Well in that case, it sure is a good thing I'm a man, huh?" She's a lot more accepting now lol

[@scred05]

So true. Love that answer. Also, good thing that your mom is more accepting now

[@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an]

thats one wiity response man brofist 🤜

[@romandaigle455]

God doesn’t make mistakes. You are a female. You can pretend to be male but your biology and genetics say otherwise. Jesus loves you. Your sin separates you from God. This is said out of love.

[@brennan-the-python]

@@romandaigle455 Sex isn't gender. Also I'm already Christian. If you're Christian you should know that only God can judge me, not weirdos on the internet. I've prayed over this for years and you weren't there to hear what I said, only God was. What is a religious fruitcake even doing watching these vids, anyways? You know what, don't answer that. Have a blessed day.

[@bryceosborne4357]

​@@romandaigle455what you said is NOT out of love. Nothing you said is helpful in any measure. You can take your spoon fed believe and keep them to yourself

[@rickybobby5153]

“My teacher says that all that matters is that people love eachother and they’re happy” WELL WE CERTAINLY COULDNT HAVE THAT NOW CAN WE?! 😂😂

[@thomasm123]

WILD that this is presented as the incorrect/evil position

[@rs72098]

Sexual immorality does not equal love. She's confusing what the term means.

[@CampingforCool41]

@@rs72098Why is being in a gay relationship immoral and why can it not be love. Because a book says so is not a justification for that view.

[@istvansipos9940]

@@rs72098 "Sexual immorality does not equal love" true. It sux though that you chose NOT to define sexual immorality. Besides nobody says that sexual immorality DOES equal love. Also besides, sex is not even mentioned in that propaganda cartoon. All these make me wonder: What's your point?

[@thatonearanara]

@@istvansipos9940 Took the words right out my mouth

[@thekameru6058]

If I was Sophia or Caleb I would experience an anxiety spike or a minor ptsd attack whenever the mother goes 'Hm' and gets that 'shark about to bite' look in her eye.

[@whimsical_me5135]

As a former jw kid I can tell you I absolutely had a minor panic attack every time one of my parents said, "hmm," and looked thoughtful.

[@sarahflynn8142]

​@@whimsical_me5135 same

[@june-cz1cw]

TBH I would get the sudden thought to just punch her

[@luxgh]

​@whimsical_me5135 I understand bro, my heart just stops everytime now if someone "hum" next to me, I think the cartoon managed to replicate my mom's expression really well

[@joanfregapane8683]

Imagine the absolutely warped preference of Sophia’s mother to have her daughter proselytize to her friend: to make her friend feel sad and disgusted, to break up her friend’s family, and that the mom would be happy to have caused all this unnecessary misery.

[@estherrivers6840]

Yes the message being here Go wreck this kids happiness because mummy and daddy don't like the fact she's your classmate and has 2 mummy's. Child abuse encouraging this kid to abuse another kid. Just hateful.

[@beeziebubs2756]

I think it takes an absolutely miserable person to think hate the idea that someone else found their own love and happiness.

[@Sp1derBedo]

My parents taught me to do the same and thankfully I was sheltered enough that I didn't end up saying such things to other kids. Looking back, it was really fucked up

[@wastelandgames9409]

That lady is the devil himself

[@Gunkle_Jeb]

I don’t really understand how religion works exactly but couldn’t we just convince all of Ohio to become JW to prove there’s no rapture? Do you think they’ll have a battle royale to bring the numbers back down to appropriate and realistic rapture numbers?

[@arctic_andy_infinity5708]

I didn't become bisexual because I saw a bi man. No. I found out myself. Sure, I found out about bi people. But I didn't believe I was bi until one day at school.

[@chipmunkgarcia]

Same, I found out in college 😂😂 Looking back, it made sense

[@taylorvivienne8058]

it took years for me to finally accept myself, i was 19. and then it was years until i came out to my family at 23. 28 now i’m fully comfortable and out living my best queer life.

[@livvlife]

Exactly. From a young age I knew I was different from other kids, bc I (a girl) was not interested in boys. I didn’t dream of a husband. I didn’t want that. I always thought girls were beautiful and who I wanted to spend my time with. When I heard about gay people, (luckily my parents were accepting and made sure we knew it didn’t matter what gender we liked) It didn’t click immediately but it made me understand that there are other people like me…. That it’s ok if I’m a girl who likes girls. In middle school, I was teased relentlessly for it. If it was a choice, or something forced upon me, wouldn’t I be forced straight now?! No matter what hate someone shoved down my throat, I’m still lesbian. I’m no different from a straight person.

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

Same, I never even talked about it, it just came to me.

[@Slowpoke3x]

I had this weird thing when I was young where i wanted to kiss my guy best friend. I mean i understood sexuality since i was 7. I wanted girls sure, but they were still alien creatures to me who treated me like a lesser being. (Because kids can be very mean) While I was conceptualizing gay before i even heard the word, there was a disconnect. I wanted to kiss a dude like I wanted to kiss a girl but I didn't want to ravish a dude like I wanted to ravish a girl. If that makes sense?

[@KingDJ524]

Hilarious the whole "how dare they push their lifestyle on us!" Crowd is literally the people who go door to door trying to convert people

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

Conservatives always play the victim card.

[@dvinton2151]

They said we should look at Gd like a loving parent who only wants the best for us. Well, I am ALSO a loving parent who wants the best for my children. And for my daughter, the best thing for her is another woman. I am so happy she has found herself and knows what is best for herself. I love her, and she is so much happier since she came out! Who could ask for more?

[@Scanner9631]

My mother had a boss who was upset that her daughter was marrying a guy who treated her like a Queen. She would have preferred she marry the ex boyfriend who beat her. The only problem was the color of his skin. She preferred the beater because he had the "right" skin color.

[@2-d_in_a_bag]

@@Scanner9631 The boss is giving me "why won't my family visit me here in the retirement home" vibes. I hope the daughter and her husband are happy for many years to come, and that her ex either gets therapy or prison.

[@nova14414]

Exactly. Both me and my girlfriend want to adopt a kid someday, we don't care if they are gay, lesbians, trans, pan, any of that! My goal for them would be to discover themself and live a happy life. All I would want is for them to feel safe to come out if they are in the community. Me and my girlfriend are both girls (I'm pan questioning, she's demi), she's religious and I'm not. Luckily she's not like the nutjob extremists, and respects my boundaries (long story short she basically just asked if I would give it a chance on my own terms, and I let her rant about it if something is bothering her). My logic will be the same for if our kid decides they want to try some religion (just not jw, almost anything else is fine but NOT that shit). Just would have to correct alot of the bs they might try to teach them..

[@stevenduvall2549]

You're a good parent! I had two of those too! I was fortunate just like your daughter.

[@Northwind000]

*God

[@eliseh.7474]

Men wrote the bible and cast the first woman who existed as an agent for evil who caused the entire downfall of mankind by offering poor, innocent Adam a snack. It's all so silly. Love listening to you, Owen.

[@Scanner9631]

There is a Jewish tradition that Eve was the 2nd, the first was Lilith who refused to be submissive to Adam.

[@Scanner9631]

@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 Well I have two problems with it. First how is it that the all knowing all power God didn't know this would happen before creation? How did he not know it when they were "hiding" (HOW?) from him? How could he not know? Second how can I have true free will when the all knowing all powerful being KNEW before creation everything that would happen to me in my life including all my decisions AND has the power to have changed it before during or after creation to have things turn out otherwise? Everything will happen as he PREDETERMINED it would, I have only the illusion of choice if I can't change what he saw before it all began.

[@stylis666]

@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 _"Especially since God created the serpent and taught it to lie..."_ Now, hold on a second there! I don't necessarily disagree with it, but here are a couple of points: - God taught everyone to lie by setting it as an example. - The snake didn't lie. - The snake encouraged Eve to think critically. - Before meeting the snake Eve had never had a critical thought. - God discouraged critical thinking and expected everyone to take his word for everything, like all narcissists do. - Adam is an idiot. - Based on all the stories in the bible, all of the characteristics that god has are narcissistic and he has no individuality, only symptoms. Given all of these verifiable facts we can conclude that god probably lied about creating and being able to do things, abducted Adam and Eve instead of creating them (which would explain why despite Eve supposedly being a clone, she is a million times smarter than Adam and she isn't male), the snake is the best character and the first one in the bible to risk something real (the wrath of the narcissist and its own life in the process) to help two brainwashed characters, Eve learned to think critically and used it to do an act of kindness for her stupid friend, Adam. Pretending it's all according to plan is just another symptom of god's narcissism. You see it in all narcissists and narcissistic systems around the world, throughout time. You can just look at current world leaders and regimes and political parties for evidence of that. I would love to go along with the fanfic scenario where it _was_ actually all planned, but nothing in the bible supports that. Just look at the gospels for instance. They don't agree with each other that Jesus' death was planned, or if Jesus knew about it or was okay with it. He was born in different times and killed on different days to pretend it was to fulfill different prophecies that weren't about him. In some stories Jesus made all kinds of promises, none of which turned out to be true, and the list goes on and on. The whole bible shows an extremely abusive narcissistic "god" who says he can do a lot and hasn't been shown to actually do those things. Everything he supposedly did was only for his own gratification and for no one's benefit. Every writer did their best to ad hoc make things seem like they had meaning or that they worked out well and none of it did. God is as good of a planner as Trump is - both require gullible idiots who make claims about plans. They never succeeded at anything beneficial on purpose and they both require gullible idiots to pretend that the claims the narcissists make are true without verifying it. Especially if you take the bible's word for things, you can't pretend that god planned anything; that inevitably leads to contradictions, like lying snakes that tell the truth and a lying god that can't lie. All those contradictory claims come from narcissism enablers or from god himself who evidently is a narcissist because all he is can be summed up with narcissism.

[@Scanner9631]

@@stylis666 Yes. The Genesis God lied that they would surely die the day they ate from either of the trees yet they lived for centuries (why would you die by eating of the Tree of Life?). The serpent did tell the truth that they wouldn't die. So which was REALLY the devil? It couldn't be the serpent or the devil wouldn't be described as standing later in the bible (unless god couldn't curse him successfully). Genesis only makes sense if "God" were really "The Devil" and the serpent was something else.

[@lukebeakum1316]

@@Scanner9631 didn't Adam and Eve died eventually?

[@orchidscott2892]

How quickly Sofia's mum's smile completely dropped when she told her about the two mums was honestly kind of scary-

[@aporue5893]

:(

[@andrewlikesmetal1095]

Too real

[@Trey_816]

I'm not LGBTQ, I do have LGBTQ friends and they are wonderful people.

[@livvlife]

❤🏳️‍🌈

[@lxmesoda]

🧡💛🤍🩵💙

[@sophz6969]

fr

[@CaseyJonasCatt]

same here. they are the best friends ive ever had

[@Jackass56]

Sophia's mom:" talk to your friends, saying if they try to be happy in life they arnt jehovas freind"

[@sinisterhug1394]

I’m a trans woman, and grew up Mormon, did the whole Mormon mission thing too, while trying to “pray away” my trans-ness, & yeah, that shit doesn’t work. You just have more self un-aliving thoughts.

[@Mr_Erutrot]

Are you SURE you gave the church enough donations to get rid of the trans??? /J

[@sinisterhug1394]

@@Mr_Erutrot oh I gave plenty of tithing to fund the multi billion dollar fund they kept hidden away for years.

[@CLangley-yl1fb]

Maybe she should have brought her pastor a private jet on credit and then worked for him at minimal wage in order to pay it back, while also donating half of said earnings to the church /s@@Mr_Erutrot

[@m.nestor2755]

Mormonism is a scam just like sciento-

[@SandraLugn-nc1rk]

Don't kill yourself, God don't care about your genitals and gender , they just love you as you are with gender-identity and all. /Swedish bi-cis-woman active in the Swedish church

[@trose2346]

Interesting how Carries moms are drawn looking at each other while Carrie is off to the side 🤨 they’re not as subtle as they think they are

[@trose2346]

@@BlackCover95 seems like they’re trying to subtly make kids think same sex parents care more about each other than their child/children

[@Sophie-zy1jl]

@@BlackCover95 I think they (the ones making caleb and sophia) are implying that gay couples only have eyes for each other and not for their kids. They always have these "subtle" messages hidden in their videos, every detail is put in there for a reason.

[@cousinmajin]

Damn I wasn't looking at that part, you made me rewind and check....

[@emo_penguin420]

I always find it interesting/click asap whenever you break down the Caleb & Sophia videos. I absolutely agree: it's outstandingly sick to expect KIDS to not only have the courage to talk to a peer about their parents' relationship but they're also expected to impossibly change 3 people's minds on a concept that kids aren't even able to understand entirely in the first place. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have those expectations put onto me-- I have so much empathy for you Owen. I'm genuinely happy you were able to break away from JW.

[@aveuch]

In JW kids are considered little people, so they expect the same proselytizing from them.

[@toxic_bunny689]

Thank you, Owen. This is Elementary school-level psychology, being forced down "adults' " throats. Why can't I give you multiple thumbs up, when you call out this toxicology and it's so difficult for these people to listen??? Much Appreciation, keep at it, I've been a viewer of the channel for Years. - Open-Minded LGBT Person

[@douglasrasmussen480]

The problem does not exist just with JW. The very pretense of brainwashing children to believe mythology is real is a subtle but heinous form of child abuse.

[@toxic_bunny689]

@@douglasrasmussen480 Oh. Well, my quasi-religious views on life and human Psychology are mostly my own. I am surely not the one who gave birth to these perceptions though...no idea, honestly, truly is. And I don't give a rat's ass. I will live my life happily and occasionally ask for the advice of others. Apostles, Witnesses, Clan Members... These groups, whatever they call themselves, are all very sure that they know the truth harder than you do. Approaches they take. I know that the ideas sang from soapboxes around the world are not exclusive to any of us. But, thanks again for your clarification, Douglas.

[@douglasrasmussen480]

@@toxic_bunny689 - Having assurety someone the truth harder than I does not extend to a conclusion belief represents truth - and that is the rub. There are many ways to objectively test truth and suggesting belief is a mechanism for finding truth is an irrational and unsubstantiable premise

[@toxic_bunny689]

@@douglasrasmussen480 ? Okay, thanks. Still not sure what you're trying to say to me... But hey, I don't suppose you could send me five dollars? I am just a disabled homeless young man, still wondering if shooting myself would be the least painful way to go. And these arguments of nonsense over the internet are just a waste of everyone's time. Don't worry, I hate my life too. Thank you.

[@Squimpis]

Bruh what if theres Jehovah’s Witnesses watches this and gets offended think about it

[@Most_Jeffinitely]

I really hate how Caleb and Sophia have logical questions about the world, and their parents are like: "well jahovah has different opinions on shit and basically anyone who thinks differently is going to hell"

[@CrackerStackerStudios]

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[@Colin12475]

The kids are smarter and more open minded than their braindead hateful parents.

[@pugnome]

Kinda easy for you to swat arguments off by replying to a logical statement with the equivalent of "nuh uh my dad disagrees"

[@pugnome]

Kinda easy for you to swat arguments off by replying to a logical statement with the equivalent of "nuh uh my dad disagrees"

[@pugnome]

Kinda easy for you to swat arguments off by replying to a logical statement with the equivalent of "nuh uh my dad disagrees"

[@aceyartfrogulous]

Imagine staying unhappy forever and pretending to love someone you don’t so that some sky man can make you unhappy forever

[@istvansipos9940]

exactly. And he does that with magic. Obviously.

[@thatonearanara]

Yeah 😔

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

It's insane how religious conservatives just expect gay people to never experience love.

[@DellaDykeborn]

And of course, remove tax exempt status from them, and not only them. The problem is the Church of Scientology never should have gotten a tax-exempt status but they bullied the IRS into one.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

THEY DID???!!!!! D: Well, I would never have expected the IRS to be so cowardly. :-( That's a shame!

[@samssams666]

do either of you remember, or heard of the Reddit post where the OP of the story was trying to get away from the church of Scientology or some Scientology class course that her parents made her take and she basically almost got kidnapped from her apartment because they kept stalking her, and it took forever to get away from them.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

@@samssams666 I regret to say I have not. *(shakes head)*

[@DanielLarsonofficia]

All churches dont need tax exemption

[@embrikchloraker8186]

The IRS are total cowards, sadly. Going along with Trump, letting religious institutions get away with being political. Remember when they took down Al Capone? Doubt that would happen today.

[@lachlancolors7420]

I am a trans man that is with another Trans man. We fear how people think because of people like that. We get ge so so scard sometimes. My boyfriend and I sometimes worry we would be killed just going out. We have had so many close minded people scream at us in public and We had to drop out of school from all of the hate. We are doing better now that we are on hormones. We pass way more so less hate out. (We live a small Christian town) You speaking out about this stuff brings me hope that things won't be as hard.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

If you were in Iran you would be OK if one of you decided not to get a sex change because they treat sex change as a cure for being gay, by making you whatever gender will make you not gay.

[@jmiller7471]

I'm a trans man from a small southern town and I know how you feel. I moved to a city asap when I was young . When I go back there now I can't deal with it. It feels like I'm choking and the world is closing in on me. I just can not stay there.

[@nova14414]

Oh no... I'm so sorry to hear that.. please stay safe out there ;-;

[@patriciaavenmarg5927]

My aunt & uncle rented an apartment building in the 1980's to trans men, and they were some of the funniest & most respectful people I ever met. They were bankers and engineers during the day, but happy and fun people at night. Not one of them ever forced their issue on anyone else. They had their little community there and were happy. They would welcome you into their homes and treat you with respect. If people got to see that side, like I did, they might respect their views. My eyes and mind and heart were open to a lifestyle I was told was wrong and terrible, but they showed more Christian traits than most JW's I knew at the time.

[@seto749]

@@patriciaavenmarg5927 [They were bankers and engineers during the day, but happy and fun people at night.] That almost makes me feel sad for all the poor bankers and engineers. Most of the engineers I've known would have been miserable in any other profession.

[@s9ftie]

So according to them, I can’t be a lesbian and happy?😭 It sickens me on how people view us

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Check your gay at the metal detector before you board the plane.

[@s9ftie]

@@embrikchloraker8186 dawg what

[@embrikchloraker8186]

@@s9ftie Making fun of the Caleb and Sophia video. They used plane security as an allegory for going to heaven. If you have something you shouldn't have at TSA, you need to leave it behind. If you're going to heaven, you need to leave your gay behind.

[@s9ftie]

@@embrikchloraker8186 OHHHH 😭😭😭 damn I guess I do gotta get checked🙅

[@johnub4]

@@embrikchloraker8186 WTF is wrong with you?!!

[@sandhollowneko]

After being a JW for 36 years I was disfellowshiped for calling out the elders in my congregation for their inaction when it comes to child abuse. My mom and I had told them about my stepfather abusing me and my sister. They said they would report him (we are in California which makes them mandated reporters) they did nothing. So I asked them why. Their response was. "We spoke to Bethel's lawyers and they said we shouldn't do anything because it would tarnish the image of the organization." They waited for my reaction, they got none so they continued. "You wouldn't want to make God look bad for something that happened a long time ago would you?" I told them. "So, the shepherds won't save the sheep from the wolves because they might get dirty? You are supposed to be here to protect God's heard but instead you allow wolves to prey on the most vulnerable sheep, THE CHILDREN! and why? Because the shepherds might get dirty so much for gifts in men." They didn't like that very much. They went from kind and understanding to nasty. They, out of nowhere said "How many men have you been sleeping with?" What positions have you done it in? Have you...with your mouth? You know that is also sex right?" I denied the accusations. They said "We know what's going on here, these questions must be answered" I continued to deny everything they said. They continued. "We have to talk to Bethel about this we will get back to you about their decision" well their decision was that i should be disfellowshiped for some fabricated Sin to shut me up. My step father is still a Jehovah's witness. He didn't get any punishment not even a talking. No "come with us to the back room" talk. Nothing. What annoys me the most about this whole thing is that they used sexual immorality as the reason to disfellowship me when that was the sin that was committed against me. Yet the real perpetrator got nothing. What a corrupt organization.

[@Mintea_-ou2mj]

....i dont even know what to say this is fucked up on so many levels

[@rebellatis5346]

Lesbian here thank you for speaking about this, especially with all the hate and hostility towards my community at the moment the LGBT community is under attack and we really need our allies help

[@wonnijohn2765]

Im going to a a homophobic school (because it’s the nearest) I’m straight but it’s not fun🤮🤢🤮 all I’m seeing is other inocennt kids that get blinded from the system. Everyday I think „why is that legal?“ PS: sorry for my bad English I’m from germany.

[@CherrryVoDKa]

Rip bozo

[@CherrryVoDKa]

@@wonnijohn2765 Rip bozo

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

I'm 14 and bi, even though my school district is primarily liberal, the students are mostly conservative. When rumors about my being gay started to spread, I started hearing people talking behind my back, and they sounded like they were disgusted by me.

[@aspieatheist6040]

"The false labeling of the planets after pagan gods" Fine then. What are the TRUE names of the planets? Naming the planets is "False labeling"?

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

I thought the gods were named after the planets?

[@HP-io2qu]

It’s Vice Versa, the planets were named after the Roman gods

[@kathybrem880]

Hahahahaha-nuts!

[@miuki2721]

They have surnames Mercury: Swift Flash Venus: Pale Beauty Earth: Cradle of Life Mars: Volcanic orb Jupiter: King of The Planets Saturn: Rings Madness Uranus: Celestial Blue Neptune: Ocean Gas +Sun: Central Star

[@jeepguy77]

All I know is I’m gay and I’m essentially raising and supporting my step kids and other peoples kids and a grandson because they had an abusive father and their mother died of cancer and theres no one else stepping up I know in my heart and my soul what I’m doing is the right thing not because a book tells me or a member of the church tells me what to do. So when people act morally superior I just roll my eyes because they should be following their own path and not be concerned about the rest of us

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Amen! And thank you for taking care of your childrens.

[@ametrineambrosia4929]

There really feels like a paucity of stable, loving homes. Yet religious people seem to prefer kids stuck in the system or with unstable straight parents than loving lgbtq parents. Shit, I'm just happy for any kids getting a better upbringing than the abusive one I had!! ❤️

[@hibikuokudan]

If someone does the right thing only because it's what a book tells them to do, and Because they believe they will be punished after life if they don't do it.. then they aren't actually a good person. Their actions are self serving. You're taking care of others for the right reasons, don't ever let those "holier than thou" fucks make you feel otherwise.

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

Go Jesse! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 👏👏👏👏👏👏🌈🌈🌈💖💝🍀

[@johnub4]

Exactly. Good luck to you and your kids.

[@Google_remote]

someone else pointed this out, but i think the reason why the brother’s face isnt drawn is because sophia is jealous of her brother for being favored over her parents

[@Victorseafog]

3252

[@thatonearanara]

@@Victorseafog ?

[@Mintea_-ou2mj]

with the rampant sexism going on i wouldn't be suprised

[@JKBDTS]

The creators didn't intend that, did they?

[@Stachelbeeerchen]

Oh no two mommies! Would be funny seeing a sequel series where an excommunicated Sophia goes to therapy and finds out she is somewhere in the LGBTQIA+ spectrum.

[@BooklikesBFDI]

I'm trans. My mom sometimes has friends who she finds out is transphobic, she immediately drops them and blocks them on everything and never speaks to them, no matter how much she liked them. She's the best.

[@annymus4502]

I want to hug your mum 🫂 Please, give her a tight, warm hug 😢❤ ♡

[@viksreviews2891]

Based Mom

[@MoonColouredDemon]

The dude’s issue with the names of the planets in our Solar System threw me 😂 I remember being a kid in the JW and reading all of these books about Greco-Roman myth during quiet time in school because I knew I couldn’t bring them home.

[@DemonDante1000]

Man. I thought my parents were terrible. I mean, they were, but they weren't crazy

[@awkwardlyrachel5524]

Smart kid! You were already more intellectually curious than your parents were. That's how you get free from the poisonous religions.

[@dancingnature]

you really couldn’t bring those old Greek and Roman myths home ? Wow just wow , I remember how fascinated I was with those old stories and the Norse ones . I’d always wanted to see the Ring cycle operas because of the Norse ones!

[@MoonColouredDemon]

@@awkwardlyrachel5524 my dad is cool he’s been out for awhile. My mom, uh, I don’t talk to her but she was never blessed with any kind of intellectual ability.

[@MoonColouredDemon]

@@dancingnature no, because according to my mother, it would cause demons to invade our house. Don’t ask to explain because I really don’t know why she thought that.

[@rayceeya8659]

"That's why he invented marriage..." I laughed so hard I snorted at that one!

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Actually marriage didn't exist until I believe the Roman Empire. I the Old Testament, a young man would go to the Dad of a young girl he liked and asked for her hand. Her would yes, and take to that tent over there.

[@Google_remote]

it sounds like god created het marriage for his own pleasure

[@Volundur9567]

Meanwhile, pagans in pre-christian times had handfasting, which is basically marriage.

[@thomasfplm]

@@elizabethwarman9028, I don't think that's true. In Greek Mythology, Hera was the goddess of marriage, and her being married to Zeus was a significant distinction about their relationship and the previous goddesses chosen by Zeus as queens.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

@@thomasfplm thank you. I know very little about Greek Myths. I went to a Christian school for seventh and eight grade. So, I never learned anything about the Greeek God's

[@minamesparkletits6714]

I ran into some atheists that where transphobic, and I'm so glad I both found your channel and other skeptic channels who look at cults. I'm polyamorous, my girlfriend was a full service sex worker and almost got shot for being trans. Thank you for not hating us as a community.

[@grenade8572]

Why can't people just think: "I'm absolutely not into that / I can't understand" and just mind their own business? I had very agressive comments under a video about asexuality, when I wrote a comment saying I might be aromantic and asexual. Because, you know, women's duty is having children and sexually satisfying a man...

[@Mintea_-ou2mj]

honestly it baffles me that its just so hard for humans to simply exist without being hateful. at the end of the day, no matter identity or love interest(s) we're still all people.

[@emmelhsa-ms]

Imagine being this almighty, all knowing being, that is capable of creating billions of galaxies and basically everything, but you're getting mad when some random human wears "clothes of the opposite sex "

[@tonylloy327]

Right? But it's even worse. God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He knows everything, including the future, and designed it and planned it all. So really, it's "imagine getting mad when something you planned turns out the way you planned it, and exactly how you knew it would from the very beginning". Who are you actually mad at, Jehovah? Yourself? Psychotic nonsense.

[@Mintea_-ou2mj]

imagine being the most powerful being in existence but then throwing a fit over two women loving eachother

[@livvlife]

Exactly why would an all powerful being care about cross dressing/ androgyny, transgender people, or gay people. Like we’re just normal humans living our life!

[@livvlife]

@@tonylloy327exactly, that’s why this is all bullshit. And if it is real, well their God is an asshole

[@cez4140]

Eden is similar to leaving your toddlers alone with your prescription medication and yelling at them when their stuffed animal told them to eat it

[@thatonearanara]

Then blaming it on the kid

[@haileyfields7179]

Then finding a way to punish all of your children’s children; the rest of creation, forever :)

[@S4BRINA_0N_PAWS_666]

Or that one time in the FNAF lore when Elizabeth Afton died after taking the ice cream from Circus baby despite William telling her not to.

[@forest2727]

Yeah, Adam and Eve had the body of an adult, not the age or the experience.

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

Fr, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what wrong was. For all they knew, wrong could have ment good.

[@OfficerGlintTorris]

My friend was raised jw growing up. She would tell our friends who had parents that were divorced or in the middle of a divorce that they don’t have it in their religion so it’s better and they don’t have hell so they won’t go there if we converted etc. really messed up this poor kid was told to tell her other kid friends these things.

[@estherrivers6840]

I was raised in this religion and from 8-9 onwards I was encouraged to talk to my class mates about Jehovah. I didnt really until I reached 11. A girl at school asked me about my belief so I told her some stuff and she really sounded interested. When I told my mum she was so excited and told me to ask her if she wanted a bible study and she would let me conduct it, with her supervision It went ahead but for some reason this girls mother decided to stop it after a month or so. My mum went round to talk to this woman but she came back really mad and frustrated and said I don't like her much and told me to now stay away from that girl in the future. . I was totally confused by the whole thing and then had to avoid this girl I liked and didn't understand why, it was quite stressful. Of course as an adult now I can imagine the conversation she had with this girls mother and it would not have been pretty. She found out some of the gruesome details about this religion no doubt and probably felt concerned when her daughter showed her pictures from their books of armageddon and the rhetoric surrounding it.

[@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n]

Wait they don't believe in hell? I'm confused, but then I don't know much about them.

[@grenade8572]

​@@N0sf3r4tuR1s3nThey believe sinners will die during the Armaggedon, and that all Ditnesses dill resurrect to live in the paradise on earth.

[@alexisjordan9055]

"Women cannot wear men's clothing" ...Wasn't Sophia JUST shown wearing pants? Or are we pretending that just 60 years ago pants weren't seen as just a male clothing item?

[@aporue5893]

''why he invented marriage the way he did'' ridiculous. Implying there's ''only one way'' to marry.

[@DoloresLehmann]

And implying it was God who invented marriage, not human societies.

[@cdubsb3831]

Naked in a forest with a rib removed like God intended. Clearly.

[@DoloresLehmann]

@@cdubsb3831 A garden, not a forest.

[@patriciaavenmarg5927]

I ALWAYS wondered if Adam and Eve had a marriage ceremony. Even as a child, this made no sense!! If there is only one man and one woman on earth, why was it necessary? No one answered that. I could understand why marriage was needed after that, but not with Adam and Eve.

[@DoloresLehmann]

@@patriciaavenmarg5927 There's this joke: Eve to Adam: "Do you love me?" Adam: "Well, who else could I ever love?"

[@mitochondriaAys]

Realizing I was trans is what got me to finally leave the JW organization and my entire friend group from the kingdom hall all came out as gay and/or trans eventually too. In a way being trans saved me but it's terrifying to think about all the LGBT+ kids raised as witnesses suffering still.

[@LeoDBW]

I can only imagine you guys flying out of your congregation like beautiful butterflies while the other JW looks up in disbelief realizing they all gave birth to LGBTQ+ kids

[@emmamoose-dragon1110]

I nearly choked on my coffee when he said "because her daughter was exposed to THE GAY!" 😂 Omg

[@Sugar-bz5np]

How could it be a paradise when you CANT be who you are and love what you love... why would anybody want to be here or THINK this was a paradise

[@istvansipos9940]

that's it. They don't THINK. They BELIEVE.

[@thatonearanara]

Yeah that’s what I thought

[@АннаЛиза-р3й]

Why do you think it would be like that? Muslims believe that in Jannah (heaven) everything will be to your liking and enjoyment. Things that are sinful here wouldn't necessarily be sinful in Jannah.

[@tillyrhodes-mayo6448]

I'm personally transgender. You don't need to worry too much 'transvestite' isn't a slur, it however doesn't mean transgendered it refers to drag. Love your channel by the way!

[@josephbedwell3164]

You're absolutely correct. If God saw it as an issue, he would've dealt with it himself. God has more issue with the immorality behind the action than the action itself.

[@Nuffsed81]

How do you know that? Would like to know what "has issue with the immorality behind the action rather than the action itself". What do you mean and how do you? Serious q

[@josephbedwell3164]

@@Nuffsed81 refer to the story of Sodom and Gamorrah. They were destroyed due to their immorality. That in itself is the only example of God striking down an entire community due to the immoral nature of their actions. There is no example of God striking anyone down purely for being homosexual. While Moses made laws against homosexuality, there are no laws written/spoken by God or Jesus condemning it. While there are two occasions in which God killed somebody for using the pull out method.

[@Nuffsed81]

@@josephbedwell3164 That's a claim the book makes. I would like evidence not claims.

[@josephbedwell3164]

@@Nuffsed81 I'm pointing out the story because that is the only example of homosexuality "being punished" by God in the bible. While you can clearly see that they were punished for the immorality behind their actions as they attempted to sodomize anyone and everyone that passed through. So yeah, clearly didn't matter if the person was male or female. So even saying Sodom and Gamorrah were destroyed solely due to homosexuality is a false claim in itself.

[@tomgames8616]

@@josephbedwell3164 sodom was arrogant and didn't help the poor Ezekiel 16:49 that was the immorality.

[@MsLadyDarkside]

I am a transgender man, and just... I am always amazed at how often people trot the arguments that were there. Saying that we (trans people) are trying to tell people that they should be trans or gay or whatever. It is something that isn't a choice, and we also honestly just want to live.

[@KatsyKat]

Yea it’s so stupid 😭 transgender ppl aren’t allowed to have consented surgery otherwise it’s somehow “forced” on kids, yet, if an intersex person exists they’ve very likely had non-consentual surgery as an infant :(

[@istvansipos9940]

don't be amazed. It is the oldest trick in the book. Wanna lead the ignorant masses? Give them a target. A person from another race can convince some1 (f.e. a brother in arms) that racism is bullsh!t. A political opponent might convince me that I must join another political party, but sexuality is very deep in our brains. It is an instinct. Once a person "learns" to hate a sexual minority, the chance to ever unlearn that hate is kinda 0. Thus, sexual minorities are the best target a cunning leader can present. And by "best" I only mean that it is an efficient way to lead, it is NOT a good thing. stay safe.

[@thatonearanara]

It’s like if there were no reflections, nobody would know what their eye colour would be unless people told them but it’s not like people are forcing them to have that eye colour (couldn’t think of a better analogy)

[@livvlife]

Exactly. As a lesbian I get so angered at transphobia and homophobia (and of course all discrimination) and it boils my blood. Us gays or transgenders just wanna live our lives. I’m glad there’s at least a sense of solidarity between gays and transgenders. Love y’all, we’re in this together, I hope the world can grow to improve. Who we love and who we wanna live as doesn’t effect nobody else. I wish people weren’t so god damn stupid.

[@LeoDBW]

Also, the argument "they want to MAKE other people gay/trans etc" is really funny to me considering JW are the ones trying to recruit new people everyday and knock on our doors to shove their beliefs I our faces.

[@cinemaipswich4636]

There is no greater hate, than Christian love.

[@dpeon242]

The saddest thing is that there will be young (closeted) LGBTQ ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’ who will be sat in the congregation with their families listening to this BS. Even if they disagreed with gay/bi trans people, to talk about them as if they are disgusting (they have even used that word), as if they are not entitled to dignity or respect, Is beyond cruel and lacking any kind of humanity. Then they have the gaul to say they are not homophobic. The things I have heard some of the elders say about gay people is shocking. They hang of ever word uttered by these old ignorant men in charge, drunk on power pushing their arrogant ignorance on the already indoctrinated. Between Apostates and LGBTQ I don’t know who they detest more.

[@hoarderofdinosaurteeth]

This was exactly what I was taught about myself when I was a closeted trans man during my teenage years. The damage this cult does to innocent LGBTQ kids is horrific

[@Eric_01]

I remember back in the 80's a brother in my hall being disfellowshipped for allowing political signs to be put in his yard. He wasn't out for very long, but what a dramatic bunch of crap. They were actually willing to remove him from the book of life over some yard signs. He ended up quitting the cult a few years later.

[@Str8Rippin93]

Reagan?

[@Theheadgiver]

I seriously just can't understand why people care so much what other people do. If Jack and John want to get married 3 states away how tf does that effect me in any way. Just worry about yourself

[@theghost00]

It affects them by being reminded that not everyone is as miserable as they are.

[@pumkin610]

They've clearly been manipulated into having a saviour complex, they aren't allowed to have opinions of their own, god is always right, and if you disagree then you're fired.

[@MissRyukkie]

Minding one's business is part of common sense that most people don't learn. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@istvansipos9940]

the leaders don't care. They just present a target for the ignorant masses. Those do care for all the wrong reasons. Leaders lead, believers believe. If LGBTQ stuff did not exist, religious leaders would find another minority to focus on.

[@paulweston8755]

thank fuck there are people like you who are our LBGTQ+ allies, keep up the good work Owen

[@IamAlmostRealWitch]

in the "Good Omens" ( which is great humorous book and tv serie), there is great scene. Angel and Demon stand in paradise and watch like Adam and Eve are leaving paradise and Demon said something like: "It wasn't very clever from god, to put a apple tree in middle of garden, when god could put it on top of moon ". That scene stuck with me, and I remember it every time, when someone says how clever god is.

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

And why was there the need for this tree anyway :D

[@Zaprozhan]

OSHA report: Dangerous tree located in central garden. No warning signs, no physical separation. Could have been located offsite, or behind protective barriers. Despite Overseer claiming omnipresence/omniscience/omnipotence, was not able to foresee, detect, or stop inhabitants from consuming fruits. Alleged third-party reptile provided correct information about fruit's effects, Overseer's provided information inaccurate, yet Overseer claims reptile is lying. Overseer is unable to provide a safe habitation, unable to give correct information or prevent third-party misinformation, does not possess alleged capabilities, or failed to use them to protect his charges. Recommend demotion to spirit.

[@wolvesgirl1565]

Why do people care so much about me sleeping with another woman and maybe having a family?

[@pumkin610]

That's the logical question any reasonable person would ask, some people just aren't allowed to think for themselves

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Because they want to save you, so you won't go to Hell! LOL!

[@CoffeeAddictEvan]

@@elizabethwarman9028 jws don't believe in hell, other than that yes

[@EnigmaticLucas]

@@elizabethwarman9028 IIRC, JWs believe everyone goes to hell - after Armageddon, the members of the 144,000 in hell will go to heaven, the other “righteous” people in hell will go to a utopian Earth, and the “evil” people in hell will stay in hell. What they call hell is more like purgatory.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

@@EnigmaticLucas no wonder Owen is a non believer.

[@segue2ant395]

This was honestly hilarious. Like, I know it's so harmful, but when viewed from a secular perspective, pretending to myself that this is just some weirdly dystopic Black-Mirror-style satire - Caleb and Sofia really is an absolute scream.

[@marcomoreno6748]

It's also horrifying because this was the reality for a lot of us who didn't have the good fortune to be raised in a more secular household.

[@livvlife]

It’s horrifying that there’s still aspects of the world that thinks like this. It’s laughable how ridiculous it is, and infuriating how deadly it can get.

[@DannyViTaylor]

can you imagine being one of carries moms and hearing her say "my friend in school told me you are living a sinful life and wont go to paradise" WHAT

[@cobaltchromee7533]

When I was a kid, about 7 or 8, I saw two Jehovah's witnesses giving books away for free. I liked reading a lot, so I took one home without telling anyone. After returning home and sitting on my bed, I read a few pages and realised it was some religious bs. I said "that's dumb" to myself and hid it somewhere so nobody knew I took it. A few weeks ago, I found the book again. I remembered everything that happened that day, so I did the same thing again. I sat on my bed, and read a few pages again. I thought, that I might change my mind, because I was just a kid when I read it for the first time. Soon after, I said "that's dumb" out loud and threw it on the shelf again.

[@chaossmith3864]

I'm a disabled trans man married to a man trying to get the courage to come out all the way irl. I'm so many flavors of not right to people like that. I'm not trying to convince anyone to be anything, I'm trying to live. At this point I'm desperately grabbing for reasons to keep living. Every day is painful. If these people are threatened by me that says an awful lot about how weak they are. Seriously. I've fallen into the wall trying to walk to the bathroom because my back gave out. I've sat for hours unable to stand to go to the bathroom in misery. A good day for me at this point is still pathetic. I can do a sink of dishes and get a low grade fever. Any substantial work wipes me for days, or a week even. But somehow I'm a threat to everything good and wholesome by... Existing? For real? How weak and pathetic is goodness if I'm a threat? And what does it say for their version of it when kindness and compassion don't matter, only obedience and being cishet? I'm so tired. I can't even comprehend how the point of actually goodness and compassion could be missed so hard. They manipulate people to depend on them and fear being cast out and I'm the bad guy. Jesus wept.

[@IamAlri8]

More people should hear your story.

[@Mars0Bars]

I instantly thought of "2 girls 1 cup" when he said "1 man 1 woman" and I'm not entirely sure what that says about me

[@smartiesmcflurry6755]

I wonder how many heart attacks a JWs would have in a minute if they ever heard about that video

[@andreschion2334]

Doesn't the "Till death do us apart" part of the wedding vow create a loophole to the "can't bring your same sex partner to paradise" logic? Ugh, I hate to get morbid. But as owen say, that sort of self-righteous logic is so flawed. It's not even worth it to argue.

[@andreschion2334]

@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 "You can't enter paradise if you're in a gay marriage." "Marriage breaks upon death" Therefore, not a problem.

[@Ares_V]

I'm still rewatching the old video, haven't reached the new material part, but knowing what happens in this video, is it really that weird that in another video they had to address how no matter how much her classmates try to befriend her she still has no friends ? Poor kids...

[@Felixia33]

I thought the same thing, Sophia seems to be well liked by some of her classmates, but they emphasize in the fact that she *shouldn't* be friends with any of them, because they aren't JW like her... BUT she still has to preach to them.

[@enerioffutt1881]

I'm not gay, but I do know that if you are gay, then you are. You can't wish it away, pray it away, deny it away or frick it away. About all religion says you can do is pretend you're not or never have sex. But you're still gay and nothing is going to change that. So I think it's better, if you have the strength, to be gay and happy rather than miserable and religious. But I know that may call for a strength of characther some people simply don't have. And i feel great sorrow for them.

[@maybeimar0b0t]

"Drop your gay off like a bag at an airport" had me rolling

[@audiovisualcringe]

if you imagine that this series is a black mirror-esque satire then the whole video becomes an absolute knee-slapper

[@livvlife]

Yea it’s ridiculous how many people think gay people can just stop being gay, or trans ppl can stop being trans. Like no, they can’t change how they were made and feel when it comes to stuff like that. That’s why conversion therapy for example is total bullshit.

[@rayceeya8659]

"A man will stick to his wife" Well I've never been married, but I've had a lot of very sticky sex...

[@e_i_e_i_bro]

Ew

[@Karambolage17]

@@e_i_e_i_bro 😭😭

[@macaronipartynaptime]

We didn’t need to know this

[@wickedguppy3715]

I’m not religious but I think the word is “cleave” not “stick to”

[@aporue5893]

it's like ''oh what,they thought they could exist freely and have happy lives? ha ha not with our religion *tm* '' 🙄

[@The5armdamput33]

Lesson of the day.... Try to get your classmate to convince their parents to divorce...

[@UBEAR_Miku_Reign]

My favorite

[@livvlife]

It’s so sad that children of queer people get comments like that. I wish people weren’t so hateful and brainwashed.

[@JacobJones-dz5fg]

As,a gay guy i wish people would stop bringing us into politics,when we are just trying to live our life

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

It's like conservatives can't live without something to hate.

[@BerryTheBnnuy]

4:06 "If someone tries to bring something on the plane that isn't allowed, they don't go on the trip" Uh, no, the TSA confiscates that thing and you go on your trip without it, no matter what. So by that analogy, when rendered realistically, you can go to Heaven if you're gay, but your gayness will be confiscated when you reach the pearly gates.

[@JKBDTS]

Hahaha

[@Keno637]

I’ll always hate that mom acting like she thinks two moms and two dads can’t raise a child when in fact they can ❤

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Hell, statistically speaking, gay couples tend to be better parents. Or are at least more likely to be good parents... Can't say Im surprised

[@LRM12o8]

@@jurassicsmackdown6359 because they don't become parents on accident :D Also they won't shame their kids for their sexual orientation

[@davidbernal6881]

Tbh. I think that same sex couples are more competent parents compared to straight parents.

[@Keno637]

@@davidbernal6881 absolutely agree with you if only other straight parents would stop judging gay parents but I know it’ll get better later on

[@harpermckernan3033]

Yeah, funny that 2 straight jw parents will outcast their own child happily over something so minor.. But no, gay parents are the problem 🙄

[@Zippysniperpro]

“Take that gay out of your carry-on” -Jehovah, probably

[@esrl447-i6j]

Stating that there is another "Satan panic" going on right now is dead on. I really sympathize with trans people right now.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Make sure you register to vote!

[@esrl447-i6j]

@@embrikchloraker8186 I am registered, and I vote every two years. My first election was 2008, and I always tell younger people that it is one of the better feelings you'll have in your life.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Blame Pfizer

[@livvlife]

The panic surrounding gays and trans ppl is devastating. As a lesbian im scared and I’m scared for trans people especially.

[@esrl447-i6j]

@@livvlife I feel for you. I’m just an average straight guy, but I’ve had friends that are gay. There’s a lot of us out here pulling for you. Hopefully voters start to push back more aggressively against these nutty right-wing christians. This is not America. Hang in there.

[@monica15326]

Children trying to convert other children is true, in third grade I had a classmate that was a jw and she would take her book to school and ask the teacher if she could read it to the class 💀 (the teacher was lazy and was always looking for an excuse to don't give us class, there was a point where she was "predicating" to us three times a week 💀💀) I remember this one time she was reading about how Jesus died for us or w/e and the bunch of us were from Catholic families so many children questioned her about the cross and she went on a rant about how worshipping the cross was actually a sin, and that Jesus didn't die on the cross and that even if he had died we shouldn't pay respect to it and I quote "if your uncle died on a car accident you dont held a funeral for the car! You held a funeral for you uncle!" 💀💀 It was very weird, in the end I think she stopped because some parents complained to the principal and since my country has a policy that public schools are laic... Anyways the teacher was lucky he kept his job lol and the girl kept reading her book to some children during recess tho

[@a.m.308]

Is this in the Philippines? I remember even in Private School, these missionaries would talk in class during homeroom period; and this teacher who happened to also be a jw member, out of nowhere, spouted about her religious views about hell and eternity and that there is no middle place. Now looking back, I now think this is really inappropriate. The audacity of her to insert her beliefs when she should focus on teaching her own subject.

[@livvlife]

I had an experience in summer camp as a little child. Another child brought up marriage and I said I didn’t want a husband when I grew up. I remember him telling me that girls had to marry boys. And I never understood that thought process. I was like… why? All he could say is that’s what his parents told him. Hate is taught and it’s unfortunate

[@justingraves1291]

Oh no two moms, that's so much worse than a dad and mom who belong to a group that protects pedophiles 😑

[@KindlyKalen]

Yeah, we should jail them 😑😑😑😑😑

[@themurdernerd]

I remember the Satanic panic! When I was a kid, as a JW, we were not allowed to play with or watch the smurfs, and were forbidden to play on this funky art castle at the park because it has some art on it that includes wizards and "symbols."

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

My JW foster parents let their kids play video games but when they rented Super Smash Bros they got upset at the violence and told their kids they couldn’t play as “the guy with the sword” (Link) or “the guy with the gun” (Samus)

[@NarwhalEntertainment]

Wasn't a JW, but my mom was worried about me playing D&D because it was "Satanic", then she met my group and realized "Oh, they're not satanists, they're just nerds".

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@NarwhalEntertainment Ironically, the creator of D&D is a Christian himself.

[@galacticknight55544]

The Greek word "Arsenokoitai," which is often translated to "homosexual," could also be translated to refer to men that engaged in sexual relations with boys. That was a common practice in Greece when the New Testament was written, and this translation is more consistent with the command to "love thy neighbor."

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Interesting

[@ametrineambrosia4929]

I think Jesus CONDEMNED pedos tho?

[@rs72098]

The old testament was originally written in Hebrew NOT Greek. Many atheists also use this argument when it comes to slavery, and point out Greek words. Many Hebrew words refer to servant rather than slave.

[@roxassora2706]

​@@rs72098 Yes.

[@Vulpes_Ailurus]

“I didn’t have time to draw Caleb’s face. Carrie drew two mommies!” Do they even proofread the shit that they script?

[@ob2kenobi388]

Imagine how those moms must've felt when their daughter came home and told them a classmate said they weren't gonna go to heaven because they're gay. They'd be devastated, heartbroken even-they knew they'd have to tell her about homophobia at some point, but they hoped she could've had at least a couple more years to just be a kid.

[@elsiesaunders4607]

I was raised JW. God, it was a miserable life, every time there was a thunderstorm I thought it was Armageddon. You live your life in survival mode, with really high levels of anxiety. Oh, and yes, I couldn't wear pants to Kingdom Hall, I had to wear skirts. I got out by reading a set of books called Kingdom Rising by H M Sealey - in that there's this cult "The called and chosen" and its exactly the JWs 100% they're sort of Christian, but they kind of stripped all the religion away and made me realise the crap I'd been learning. I'd have been disfellowshipped for reading them if my parents had known what they were. I'm still Christian now I read theology and philosophy at Oxford university and so much makes sense when you don't think through the JW lens. It was an amazing sense of relief not to be trapped in this narrow little box. It's what people who don't understand any theological opinions at all make of a belief system they don't understand but want to. The Trinity? Damn, no, far too complex, let's simplify that a bit. Everything's made ugly and simple.

[@SweetGreenDream]

Owen, Would love to hear your thoughts on Norway defunding the jehovah's witnesses

[@LynxieDove]

So would I!

[@IamAlri8]

😮what! Omg I looked it up and now I am confused on if Norway is a beautiful country or not. 🖤🐘🤍💜

[@denzelbraddock9932]

What I like about Caleb and Sophia is that the parents are as soft-faced, and frail looking as the alcoholics they represent.

[@Protometal66]

Mom " and people can change" Thinking mom must be bisexual and is denying her attraction to women.

[@vladisslay]

i grew up catholic. but i’m also lesbian and genderqueeer. i remember as a kid going to confession and crying because every time i begged the priest for help, nothing ever “fixed” me. i was so religious they were training me in apologetics and to join a convent but i still knew i was going to hell. happy to report i’ve been out for 4 years (thank you covid) and happily engaged to my partner!!!

[@Shadow1shifter]

I grew up in a Roman catholic family and i didn't know what 'gay' or 'LGBT' was until sophomore year of high school. I personally think that people should do what is best for them. However, my parents don't believe what I believe as an Atheist and my mom still forces me to go to her church. I have told them so many times that their views are wrong, that i personally support the LGBT community, and that I don't believe what they believe. I told them that and they yyelled at me.

[@yellowscamper]

Don't Roman Catholic people support the community and believe in less stuff then the bible? I'm an Atheist from a roman Catholic family too

[@ZombieXee]

You when you really stop and think about it, we always have known that gender is a spectrum. There have been guys who were more feminine and girls who were more masculine. It's always been a sliding scale. We now have a better understanding and a better definition of gender. Nothing has changed except a little more compassion and understanding. We all are still the same wonderful flawed beings we've always been.

[@Ominousheat]

Invented marriage🤪😂 Like the word marriage came before the biological process of affection and coitus. Totes nuts.

[@manuelmakesartz]

The Genesis text that the Caleb and Sophia video referred to is literally God saying "I made you, now go and have sex or something".

[@Ominousheat]

@@manuelmakesartz Yeah god telling his kids to have incestual relations but the JW's or any Christian follower, never go near that obvious flaw in the story. Their reply is always to such contradictions; it's all about faith. They switch from' the word' to 'it's a metaphor' and back again so often it makes one dizzy. It's so obviously a scam to encourage the kids to breed as soon as possible so as to increase their ranks.

[@ToneyStarks3001]

This video actually scarred me when I was a child. I’m a ex-JW and I’m so thankful I’m out, this video actually caused me to hide my sexuality for 13 years in fear of getting shunned and then inevitably was shunned. This has never left my mind but thankfully I didn’t let it stop me and I’m happily dating a women and Identify as a gender-fluid person, so so happy I’m out.

[@iPYW]

"Look, I drew 2 Jesuses" Now what?

[@filiptrajkovski2198]

The LGBT episode is one of the first Caleb and Sophia video ive ever seen, and it was on twitter from a cartoon reviewer. The cartoon intrigued me so i sat down and watched a dozen episodes, within the first episode i thought for the first couple minutes "oh this isnt so bad" up untill it came to the ending where in each episode the ending is always brainwaschy culty shit

[@obnoxious_atheist]

Here's my "Marriage Carol." If a man was rich, this is how the Bible saw marriage in the Old Testament "books." 50 concubines 10 wives 1 husband man and a partridge in a pear treeeeee. Not really good. But close to what was actual "Biblical Marriage."

[@Sara3346]

IDK his standards on incest and therefore marriage seem like they must have changed over time. IDK where this static bullshit came from.

[@DarthMagog]

Jehovah's Standards never change. Except when they, constantly, do.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

The Mormons claim the same damn thing. God seems to have changed his mind about polygamy and black people, though.

[@CyreniTheMage]

@@embrikchloraker8186 Ex-mormon here. Before I left home, I told my mother that I'd *laugh* if I saw the church change its stance on homosexuality. It would be extremely cathartic, being bisexual. Lo and behold, there's a possibility of it being on the horizon with a church announcement saying, in essence, "don't reject the gays (we can't try to have them conform to straightness if they're not here)."

[@embrikchloraker8186]

@@CyreniTheMage Well, they did support the Respect for Marriage Act, which was like the one good thing they ever did. Primarily because of the provision that churches can't be forced to perform same-sex ceremonies, which is totally fine, gay people can be fabulous around people who actually accept and support them. Right now, they're trying a balancing game between the older hardline members and the younger generations who all have one foot out the door already. Theists love to pretend they aren't bigots by saying gay people should just remain celibate. It's utterly absurd if you think about it for more than a few seconds. Why should consenting gay people not be allowed to do as they please?

[@Zaprozhan]

Religious claims are often illogical, irrational, or even inconsistent with their own holy texts! Which contradict themselves! God's alleged unchanging nature is a oldie but a goodie in multiple sects of Christianity, meant to stand against the "degeneracy" of the present. We are becoming more tolerant, more open, more equitable, and boy, do they HATE that.

[@roberttobias2153]

And this is one of the reasons that people are leaving organized religion IN DROVES!

[@thezombiequeen1908]

The green lantern Alan Scott is gay. In one of his recent comics, he talked with the specter. The specter can hear the literal voice of god. Alan felt unsure about his sexuality and the specter said,”If god himself didn’t want you to love, then how could you?”

[@Antivirus92871]

Notice how the mom changed the subject from Gay Marriage to “what things you can and can’t take on an airplane and how that relates to the garden of eden.”

[@Dawnishere]

As a trans girl, I find it so sad and sickeningly fascinating listening to these people hate on me. You have never peaked into my mind, lived in my skin or know how I feel. You have no right to project your views on me and tell me my anxiety, paranoia, gender and body dysphoria isn't to your gods standards. F your god! I will make myself happy no matter how your god stacked the cards against me. I was never convinced or converted. I would of started my transition sooner in my life if I didn't have my epilepsy, organic psychosis and DID from a young age. At the ripe age of 28 have I finally got to a place where I can say I am truly happy. Do whatever it takes to find your happiness ❤

[@Jaggededge112]

I have a m2f daughter that I am extremely proud of for her courage to come out. She was adopted by a family that don’t really support that 😢. I try to show her my love and support. I’m happy that you’re able to finally be where you’re happy ❤. Sending you hugs.

[@Dawnishere]

@@Jaggededge112 Wish her the best and tell her she isn't alone. Be yourself, your happiness is what matters and other people will have to deal with it😊

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Amen for being yourself.

[@hunterkage2842]

Wise words, more people should live by them

[@Google_remote]

i just thought of you as a happy trans grape

[@NameOfRain]

I put my gay in a suitcase to be checked in- what's the weight limit? Also, can I buy insurance in case my gay gets damaged or lost and I can't find it at the baggage claim? Do I need a special permit for it? Can I bring some travel-size gay with my on the plane in case I need it on a long flight? I have so many questions.

[@dpeon242]

😂😂

[@Indi3R]

I was lucky to grow up in a staunch atheist environment, I really like your videos. They confirm to me everything I learned and suspected about religion as a child. Your journey is especially interesting to me. You are very enlightened.

[@marcomoreno6748]

I'm a little jealous for petty things like not being able to play pokemon. No yugioh. No megaman. No anime. I want to say I had a non-conventional childhood but the truth is we could say a large minority of us grew up like this. On the other hand I am thankful to be so familiar with the internal workings and politics of my ex-church (charismatic pentecostal)

[@legendoflex6881]

Thank you for bringing up Leonardo! I as a woman get so much criticism from the internet for saying I don’t care because they are all consenting adults. The girls know what they are getting into. And it’s not like they were groomed before age 18. No. They know they are being used as beautiful young women for their looks. And the man in question knows that he is being used for his money and fame…Is it weird and cringy? Yeah. But it’s consensual and as far as we know, no abuse is taking place. Let people live their lives

[@EddieM1994]

They cut the scene from the end of the episode where the girl with two mums decks Sophia in the face.

[@kathybrem880]

And Sofia ends up getting disciplined in principals office!