JEREMY'S RETURN? (FNaF: Help Wanted 2)

JEREMY'S RETURN? (FNaF: Help Wanted 2) - THEORY

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@elfimoth3807 10 ай бұрын

Cassies dad = Bonnie Bro = Jeremy Fitzgerald = Jeremy the play tester

@hyenadavid6530 10 ай бұрын

Also, when tape girl finds JEremy, doesn't she say she finds him standing but unresponsive? He is definitely not dead.

@DJBurns-jq8mn 10 ай бұрын

The Bonnie mask is the mask Jeremy had when he was under Glitchtrap's control. It's not a coincidence that Vanny was told by Glitchtrap to make a mask and Tape girl brings up a mask. Jeremy is definitely not dead because if there is one thing that's consistent in FNAF is that if a character is not said to be dead, then they aren't dead.

@MusiciansRule07 10 ай бұрын

I love that one of the biggest debates in the overall fandom post HW2 is "which Jeremy is it?" instead of where in the timeline the game is or just how William Afton keeps coming back post UCN. It's a nice change of pace from the usual chaos that accompanies each new release in the franchise. ID proposed it's Paper Slicer Jeremy who survived trying to take his own life via face removal but Rye came up with one hell of a Theory suggesting that it's Jeremy Fitzgerald who recovered enough from The Bite of 87 to become Cassie's Dad and a top tier Fazbear Technician. Of the 2 excellent Theories, I think Paper Slicer Jeremy is more likely given the Candy Cadet story mentioning someone being scarred physically for life but I'd love it if it was Jeremy Fitzgerald who had his own Quest for post Bite of 83 redemption ala Michael Afton but ultimately failed. I think Jeremy got bamboozled by both Vanny and either Glitchtrap or the Mimic so either ending works. I guess Steel Wool is waiting for the overall fandom's feelings about what they came up with before going forward with the narrative.

@scratchv1nce766 10 ай бұрын

Or maybe cassie's dad is simply both

@latlequin1 10 ай бұрын

Personally, I think Paper Slicer Jeremy IS Jeremy Fitzgerald

@scratchv1nce766 10 ай бұрын

@@latlequin1 that's what i said

@qwacktrap1459 10 ай бұрын

If it’s both, Jeremy must have one of the most unfortunate lives in Fnaf lmao. Participated in causing the bite of 83 Was in the bite of 87 (possibly) Had his face possibly sliced because some wack job’s fursona told him to And now he’s stuck in robo purgatory having to see his own daughter fall down the same path he did

@latlequin1 10 ай бұрын

@@qwacktrap1459 Yeah lmao, he's probably only second to Micheal, which is why I enjoy Jeremike

@astronomylover3266 10 ай бұрын

I think the order of the graves is correct. The MCI'a souls could have been roaming around Freddy's. Then when Charlie died and possessed the puppet . She showed them how to possess the animatronics

@alexrivers8163 10 ай бұрын

Maybe part of trapping glitch trap requires someone be trapped in the AR world kind of like a plug in a sink to prevent glitch trap from escaping anymore by not allowing anyone else access due to it already having someone playing it even if their body isn't there anymore

@saeklin 10 ай бұрын

A key point to remember is that the Glamrocks are blind to anyone wearing the Vanny mask. Roxy would either not see us at all or would attack us when we aren't wearing the mask. So that tells me that during the minigames we are remote-controlling a Staffbot. And I'm leaning towards the identity of the player to be the Bonnie-masked bully from FNAF4. I mean, the Bonnie mask we find is for the original Bonnie, right? He's blocked out those memories, which is why he says "this looks familiar" when he finds the mask in PQ4. This is his redemption story, perhaps. And who knows, he probably is Cassie's dad too. Just tie all the loose threads together, why not. Maybe he's not the bully, maybe the original Jeremy from the MCI was his older brother and maybe he was too young to remember when Jeremy disappeared. Now he has to "remember Jeremy".

@hyenadavid6530 10 ай бұрын

Sorry for so many comments, but I think typing 1983 is the only 'technical' Fnaf 4 easter egg, even though it's a mechanic that is lifted from SL. But the date itself is associated with Fnaf 4

@Bigddalt 10 ай бұрын

Do you think that lefty could be a refurbished carnie? This is a very long shot, im talkin 100 yard foot kick, but its just some fun thoughts that could conjure up something in the community. If you look at burnt carnie's model you can just barely see that his right eye is more withered. You may have to squint. But say that at that time his right eye got replaced because it was the most damaged of the two, after decades of collecting dust and rotting away, the untouched eye could have decayed to the point of becoming black. As Henry repared carnie to become lefty, the orginal eye may have stayed or been replaced with a new black eye for a unique touch. A more realistic approach could be the lefty's design is INSPIRED by his burnt orginal. The eye rotted eye i just mentioned could have inspired the black eye detail. One specific character of that I think could drive home this theory is the color. Burnt carnie is a muted brown with white char accents. But if you were to scrape all of burnt plastic off, you be left with a black tarnished metal. Notice that lefty is not solid black, but a metalic, gun metal black. I think it is possibe that lefty is either a repaired version of carnie, with it's new design based on the chared scraps of the original, or lefty was a completely different animatronic who's build was inspired by the remains of his counterpart. By the location of Fazer Blast and hint we see, I think that carnie was most likely a part of Fall Fest(most likely the 1970 event) if so, do you think it's possible that carnie was one of Henry's first animatronics. That was a whole decade before our first look at fredbears. Whether or not Fredbear's opened before 1983. I highly doubt that it was an establishment before 1970. I noticed that there is no sign of Freddy’s or Fredbear's on the poster. Which leads me to believe that this fall fest may have predated everything. The running theory is that the mediocre melodies were his first animatronics, made to rip off Freddy’s fame. But being that we see an animatronic a decade before that, that closely resembles one of his final animatronics. It really seems that carnie could be his first. Here's some food for thought. Henry has been deemed a copycat in the early timeline for the mediocre melodies. But if he made his first BEAR animatronic at a children's theme event in 1970, is he really the copycat? If William stole the idea and made Fredbear's, and Fredbear's became as big as it did. No one would bat an eye at a small carnival with a simple bear animatronic. I don't know if I like this idea, but I'm just throwing everything I got to see what sticks. Is it possible that William set the carnival on fire to one, prevent it from becoming more successful. And two, to take that idea and reuse it for himself. I don't think he was pure evil at this point, or really evil at all. But it's still just a thought. I don't really think that lefty is a remade carnie. I think it's possible that the design could have been inspired by the withered design. But I doubt that they put that much thought into a connection like that. I am pretty confident, though, that carnie was most likely the first and that Henry was never really the copycat. But more so, tried to reclaim the ideas stolen from him later on after William's fame.

@hyenadavid6530 10 ай бұрын

I don't think it's a coincidence that in Ruin, we see through the Vanni mask the Princess Quest sword in the real world stabbed into the arcade cabinet (the non-princess quest game world, you know what I mean), and in HW2 (most likely set before Ruin) we get to use the PQ sword in the 'real world' in a sense. I'm beginning to think we, the HW2 player, left that sword in the arcade cabinet

@Jubumby 10 ай бұрын

My question is if jeremy was the bonnie bully, how would afton not kill him or torture him, is this tying up loose ends finally? He sure doesn't seem to care for michael much, same goes for the other bullies i suppose

@at_witts_end3470 4 ай бұрын

How do we know he wasn't one of the first kids put into Dittophobia? Carnival could very well show that

@Jubumby 4 ай бұрын

@@at_witts_end3470 i thought that too, it kind of satisfyingly fits

@BunBit_ 10 ай бұрын

The issue with us being a recent employee is that, apparently, the Fazwrench is "familiar to us". That doesnt sound like we just got the job.

@dmuted 10 ай бұрын

If the trailer is to be believed, we're technically on our second week on the job, I think that's plenty of time for him to get a faz wrench.

@BunBit_ 10 ай бұрын

@@dmuted but to get familiar with it? Additionally, Cassies dad was able to allow her to ride an unfinished ride. How is this possible when he was just recently hired? Also, it doesnt actually say "second week", does it? Just that we are back in some fashion. Maybe he quit and got hired back?

@salehmohammed1075 10 ай бұрын

12:46 didn't you know about the hidden nightmarionne plushies?

@cleaveuntome42 10 ай бұрын

I always thought burntrap was the mimic shoved into afton skin/shell. So now the mimic left.

@skeletaltrees 10 ай бұрын

12:50 would you count the nightmarionne plushies? they're still a very odd detail

@pittrap2384 10 ай бұрын

One thing I'd like to add are some of the cut Vanny dialogue, specifically "You are the last" and "It kept you for a reason". "You are the last" is referring to the fact that Jeremy is the last follower of Glitchtrap. Gregory and Vanessa are free. I think "It kept you for a reason" suggests that Jeremy was Glitchtrap's backup plan incase he were to be weakened like in the SB PQ ending. As we see in Ruin, Glitchtrap was able to use Jeremy to give Cassie the VANNI mask as his last effort.

@porcelainchips6061 10 ай бұрын

Candy Cadet is talking about our player character, not Vanessa. I also understand that Bonnie Bro may seem like a leap, but consider the message "remember Jeremy" in HW1. We have 'e-mails' Jeremy, Paper Cutter Jeremy, Bite '87 Jeremy and MCI Jeremy. But what if there are FEWER Jeremys in the FNAF universe then 3? What if there's only two? What if Cassie is named in memory of Cassidy? The local girl who went missing the same time Jeremy went missing? What if the connection between Cassie and Cassidy is simply that Cassie's parents remember Cassidy... And now the voice, the voice in the virtual world, is taunting Cassie's father to... Remember Jeremy. What if Cassie's Father worked on the VR game, when the voice started this? Remember Jeremy... Remember Jeremy... While I believe Glitchtrap is there, in VR, notice it never speaks to us effectively; Glitchtrap only finds an effective way to speak through Helpi in Ruin; HW2 shows us that it "found" Helpy in the VR's / AR's data but still couldn't be as direct as it is in ruin... Now, consider this; who is only in your dreams? Who is "hiding" around the pizzaplex and able to haunt your nightmares? Remember, Jeremy.

@oskarbergkvist980 10 ай бұрын

I have a fnaf theory that Cassie's dad is Cassidy's brother.

@Divine208-mw8hm 10 ай бұрын

Yes WOW.

@MichaelDavis_83 9 ай бұрын

What????Why?

@TengryEmily1982 4 ай бұрын

Plot twist

@nosferty7234 10 ай бұрын

10000% agree that GameDev jeremy was either killed or influenced by Glitchtrap, maybe even both (what i most agree with), but one connection that is usually overlooked is that Tape Girl's story about Jeremy tells us that he began complaining about and reporting the weird things happening in the game and, imo, parallels to the night guard that phone guy mentions in fnaf2 that "was complaining about.... conditions" and ended up getting dealt with bc he was reporting to the killer

@scootinkermie 10 ай бұрын

I mean if I remember correctly Steel Wool said they wanted ti go farther back for their fnaf games so idk why he can't be Bonnie Bro

@TheSuperSnake313 10 ай бұрын

"Ruin being the fallout of Help Wanted 2" - brilliant framing and I agree that helps explain all the Sister Location stuff seemingly coming out of nowhere. Of course the bunker is down there, that's what Ruin tried to tell us 👍

@jaffinator2166 10 ай бұрын

*sigh* Somehow Jeremy Returmed.

@nihilism4901 10 ай бұрын

I don't think the Memories are Jeremy, I believe Glitchtrap is Literally Giving Jeremy his own memories. Also, since There are confirmed multiple Pizzaplexes. What if Fazbear covered their past by Building over ALL Locations.

@cleaveuntome42 10 ай бұрын

I still kinda want it to be Jeremy from fnaf 2. (The security guard?) I just love the idea of foxy bitting Jeremy the security guard. Glitchtrap mind hacking him and he has to again screw up his face. Now he is back for more!! Oh!! Which means Jeremy might be in the hidden Bonnie from Ruin!!??

@cleaveuntome42 10 ай бұрын

Mimic/Afton didnt need Jeremy. Stores him in an animatronic.....something about staff bots

@justsomerandomperson6506 10 ай бұрын

I’ve gotta say I like the idea that Cassie’s dad is Jeremy from HW1, I’ve always had a huge problem with the idea that her dad was Bonnie bully for multiple reasons. 1) The age, since Bonnie bully would’ve most likely been in his mid 60s during the events of SB and Ruin meaning he would’ve been old enough to be Cassie’s grandfather, yes people can have kids at that age but it’s still very uncommon. 2) Cassie’s dad‘s favorite animatronic is Bonnie, which I feel like wouldn’t make any sense if he was Bonnie bully because I feel like after the bite of 83 he wouldn’t like Bonnie anymore since I feel like Bonnie would be a constant reminder of what happened. 3) As you stated earlier this HW2 to has no references to FNAF4 the same game Bonnie bully appeared in, HW2 isn’t even FNAF4 themed its theme after SL. 4) If he really was Bonnie bully or even Jeremy Fitzgerald, it would make no sense for him to continue to let Cassie go to the Pizzaplex after Bonnie is decommissioned by most likely Monty. Since he would have firsthand experience witnessing an animatronic seemingly malfunction and hurting people(One of which ended up causing the death of CC and if he really is Jeremy Fitzgerald then he was possibly the bite of 87 victim), so it would make no sense for him to let Cassie keep returning after that incident out of fear that an animatronic could end up malfunction near her and end up attacking her.

@jamesjerk5538 10 ай бұрын

“I simply don’t think the games would be reaching that far back at this point” I mean you say that but when you consider HW1 having the “Fall fest of 83’”, Security breach having Multiple Fredbear posters, Ruin having a 70’s Fredbear cut out, and HW2 having “Fallfest 1970”, I don’t see why that wouldn’t be the case

@dmuted 10 ай бұрын

Adding new events to the past ≠ Reusing minor characters from one cutscene six games ago

@jamesjerk5538 10 ай бұрын

@@dmuted again, I don’t really see why that couldn’t happen? I mean they did something really similar in GGY having the score ABC be an actual character in the story. It really feels like it’s specifically trying to push stuff from the 70’s-80’s with all the Fallfest stuff, Fredbear drawings, 80’s Merch that Cassie’s dad collects, and a Classic Bonnie mask that was also in Ruin with a fox mask (that’s always been tied to mike) and no other masks. It really all seems to be pointing back specifically to FNAF 4 and that event

@qwacktrap1459 10 ай бұрын

Great Vid! The Fazbear building sandwich is an intriguing idea and not out of Fnaf’s repertoire of goofy concepts. But I don’t particularly agree with the explanation of Sister location’s part in HW2 Personally, I think how and why SL is shown in HW2 is because it’s the accumulated memories of our player character, having to relive it over and over again as we rot inside Mask Bot. So our player character could likely be around during SL, Pizza Sim, and Security Breach, and with the Bonnie Bro/Jeremy theory that includes a few more games. I think that Cassie’s Dad, most likely being the player character, was around longer in the fazbear franchise than we thought. And it would make complete sense that he was at sister location as if Bonnie Bro is correct, he’d be the same age range as Michael who was also in Sister Location.

@Swankmann 10 ай бұрын

What if when u do a mini game, u actually go into the head of a staff bot, so in the ending where u become the mark bot, u are fully in the system

@barbadroid 10 ай бұрын

OOh, a really good theory! Good job with that one, it's interesting also let's go, another fnaf theorist adds art to their thumbnails, it's spreading!

@jenschares8628 10 ай бұрын

This is really good theory! I never considered that the "Halloween Mask" might not be Jeremy's face and instead an actual Halloween mask. Also love your voice.

@jaceanator9 10 ай бұрын

8:45 okso funny thing i went into the game with as little spoilers as possible, to get the full experience this was the first plush i got BECAUSE i saw the ship in the first level permanently knock something over then by the time of the second ship the jist was up idk why everyone had problems with it

@ImmortalAbsol 10 ай бұрын

Is it not possible that each mini game before we take the mask off is actually just a security camera video file (hence the icon) that we are *watching* for training purposes? Meaning each one can be set at a different time?

@dmuted 10 ай бұрын

That doesn't make a lot of sense since you're able to fail the minigames, why would you be trained on footage of someone dying

@honeyybutter 10 ай бұрын

@@dmuted it is a game, some things are just gameplay

@DavidN-fy1gi 10 ай бұрын

I never understood why people think the Puppet dies first. For me, it makes sense that she’d be the last victim so she can give life to all the animatronics at the same time, like in the Give Gifts-Give Life Minigame in Fnaf 2. The order of the victims’ deaths that HW2 implies makes sense because Chica says in UCN that she was the first

@monstrdog7031 10 ай бұрын

There is one nightmare- nightmarion, though it's all over ruin too. And foxy, Bonnie, golden freddy- I wonder if that would have anything to do with the 245 thing. I do like the Bonnie bully theory- and there's no reason he can't also be hw Jeremy. All speculation tho ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

@madamplatypus313 10 ай бұрын

Not pertinent to the theory at all, but this is the Nth FNAF thumbnail I’ve seen say “He’s back” and every. Damn. Time. I get Alice Cooper stuck in my head. Which TBF, that era and genre is perfectly applicable to FNAF.

@Alfred_The_Late 8 ай бұрын

OH MY GOD HE'S LIKE 80 YEARS OLD BY NOW LET THE MAN REST! PLEASE!

@RABOXD 10 ай бұрын

Im still not so convinced with the whole Jeremy from HW 1 survived and is actually Cassie's Dad thing it could be cool for him to return but in my eyes his dead ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Jeremy from HW 1 was a beta tester and Cassie's dad being a Faz technician who likes collecting vintage Fnaf memorabilia doesn't seem kinda connected in my eyes but still good theory :⁠^⁠)