Jermaine Dupri Challenges Diddy | The Joe Budden Podcast

[@mazzytvchannel4194]

“Puff beats Dre…” = the biggest example of NY bias I’ve ever seen

[@darkskinwhite]

puff the only one who can beat Dre but I don't think he would

[@mazzytvchannel4194]

@@darkskinwhite agreed

[@mphenomenal]

it's possible.. but really really tough

[@ikeysuave]

He said it so easily too like Dre wouldn’t be able to compete…..He got too many bags he can tap into NWA, Chronic, D.O.C, Death Row, 2001, Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, AND Kendrick. Stop playin with Dre

[@el84oro]

@@ikeysuave u know i said the same that puff beats dre easy....i forgot his 50 cent and game bag. the snoop records and california love are dre's main joints. tbh i dont think the eminem joints except for forgot about dre, pop like that in a verzuz. the problem dre wud have is; all these other bags, how do u rap on them, if u didnt rap on the record or if u didnt write the person's verse? like if dre plays in the club, i dont wonna hear him rap 50s verse. whereas puff has verses (we know he aint write em, but he rapped them), that he can perform on those biggie mase mjb joints that he can play. i still think puff got dre though. plus one thing i notice in verzuz, and puff dre and jd would find this out, sometimes it hurts when u have too many records. u may think ure number ones will hit like that and leave off the street joints, and sometimes the nos 1s just dont hit like that

[@seaberry11]

Puff doesn’t have many HITS that HE produced. JD wrote and produced all his hits, how can Puff win based off other people’s work. Puff is an Executive Producer, JD is a Producer/Writer…he wins just based off that to me.

[@timthetrucker6216]

Facts!

[@fhillp.4090]

💯 Facts. Stevie J & D Dot did most of the beats

[@eyeamblizz3744]

@@fhillp.4090 and Easy moe bee

[@kikinewton766]

Nobody cares about writing it's producer against producer not writing

[@JVmusiccTV]

Facts

[@shayy4280]

One thing Puff knows how to do is structure albums and setlists. He will against folks alone on that. But JD is a DJ at heart. This would be a tough battle.

[@mkingadiffernce]

Your statement is why I believe that if Jd goes second he will win. My opinion was the same thing that you are mentioned about- Jd is a dj at heart he would know what to play again and structure his rounds more to the versus to win. I dont think that puff would do that because in his mind he thinks every mary or puff joint is a hit which is what joe believes too and why i say that joe believes this is because he brought of sky is the limit. I'm sorry my roots are from new york and skys the limit and not a hit a good song but not even a hit. I laughed when joe said that skys the limit beats tlc joe is joking for real there is no way no how. TLC is the most respected girl group of all time perioddddd!!!The only other group i would even place in that group is xscape which jd produced. Again love your statement - and i do believe if jd goes last he will win.

[@malikkhalid2941]

Puff ain’t touch a beat machine in his life. Jd has actual talent and is in the song writers haul of fame

[@dremoore5329]

You don’t know what producing is

[@nickfullen-collins7223]

Yea but Puff was instrumental in creating Mary’s first two albums (which some say it was her best), Puff did the same on Jodeci’s second and third album and remember Puff gave Big the Juicy sample

[@ibz_56]

@@nickfullen-collins7223 he didn't the beat was already produced by someone else puffy just convinced him to rap on it

[@Numbers-mc2ks]

@@ibz_56 you act like that’s nothing lmao one of the greatest was discovered bc puff and you jus act like that had nothing to do with music 🤣 please stfu

[@ghjk75]

Haul hmmm 🤔

[@cvokoye]

These guys are insane if they think Puff beats Dre....WOW!

[@joelbreezy3116]

They think anybody from NY beats anybody from anywhere else 😂

[@robgotti4157]

No way they can beat Dre .. not with rnb lol

[@jairoportillo3932]

Man I'm from ny n I'm with Dre

[@foursup3139]

Ti easily has a better Catalog than 50. 50 has the best album in Get Rich or Die Trying but after The Massacre he doesn’t have too many hits. While Ti was still hot. The New York bias is crazy

[@timothypayton7623]

Exactly they act like 50 was rapping hardcore for 20 plus years TI's features are better than most of 50s songs and 50 didn't do as many features like TI did

[@foursup3139]

@@timothypayton7623 they can’t even have a genuine debate because they’re so bias and I fuck wit 50. And busta rhymes is a OG but Ti would wash him

[@timothypayton7623]

@@foursup3139 they are doing these versus, in New York they need to do then in a neutral site or go to Atlanta if you're doing north vs south artists but they aren't gonna give the south an advantage

[@menacemini4894]

🤣🤣 T.I. Beating 50 ??? Y’all buggin 😭

[@kjj2656]

Ny bias from someone from ny damn

[@lylesknox5465]

Joe complained about southern artists speaking on being dismissed, only to then do it himself.

[@bundydachosen1]

That’s not what happened at all 😂😂😂😂 he saying they gripe 20 years ago was valid but today in 2021 it’s not ! And he’s 100% correct❗️

[@dangelowash1183]

@@bundydachosen1 just cause NY has to respect our grind and Money Making ability (master P....) doesn't mean they respect our artistry and mind. That is the gripe or truth. NY artist played on the biggest stage in the 90's because the labels and the media was there....the south was trying to make it to the visible table, but JD was already there despite off. Diddy doesn't think Our brand of music matches what he was doing period. that is because you are bias to where you came from. The only difference is the south was forced to listen to NY for years before our voice was heard or pushed. for the last 20, NY has been forced to hear us all day on their radio, because of that arrogance.

[@bundydachosen1]

@@dangelowash1183 “despite of” is funny ….. New York fucked wit JD … has worked with jd …. New York embraced many southern artists New York truth be told had a hand in many southern artists success ! I know the south likes to hold onto that chip “the south got something to say” but that statement hasn’t been relatively accurate since after 3 stacks made that statement !

[@dangelowash1183]

@@bundydachosen1 you just regurgitating what others say... Again, it comes off as very Republican to tell a victim of how he should feel. Again you have a few southern artist that you respect yes. but our style of music is totally different (i often say Southern music is closer to the true essence of hip hop....Bamboda....park music.....while the golden era took the music out of rap..it also took the fun out of it), but to my point, you all don't respect the artistry of it, cause it is different then how you all were raised or what you view as true Hip Hop Music. You respect the money making, but not the lyrical content. you like scareface, but for me to put him in a top 5 or better than Jada is blasphemy to you...while i will say Jada couldn't hold a pin to Scarface. Again that is what breeds the bias and or the disrespect that still holds true.

[@bundydachosen1]

@@dangelowash1183 u are just stating an opinion of how u view things that doesn’t make what u say a fact …. Like telling a New Yorker they pick 50 to beat T.I because of New York bias while knowing no one from Atlanta would pick 50 to beat T.I is u literally making yaself victims because u want to keep a chip on ya shoulder ! If the south is so much at the forefront of hip hop why keep claiming bias against you when the music industry literally says otherwise ?

[@hb9316]

Ice starting to see why Rory and Mal got their own show 🤣

[@phiwokuhlethwala9415]

Caught that too.😂💀

[@derekbeta]

I caught that too

[@bk2les]

Lool shit was funny as hell.

[@jackofallcreators2224]

TI started a whole genre of music and was an active participant in the growth of it. That fact y’all not giving him the credit for it vs. a hot run from 50 is NYC bias. Plain and simple

[@petermckenziejr4125]

Big facts

[@mesutozil9486]

50 had bigger hits and thats not bias it’s a fact. The sales say so

[@josh-ed7je]

@@mesutozil9486 Theres no such thing a claiming sales as facts when we know record labels were/is buying record s and using payola to push artist. But also when it comes to singles which is more important than albums for verzuz TI is at worst the same level if not better than 50 on that scale. You forgetting TIP was featured in waaaayyy more hit songs than 50.

[@seaberry11]

@@mesutozil9486 50 had one good album…it’s a classic, and a helluva album but, he only has one. T.I. has multiple classics. If he was from New York y’all would be calling him one of the goats. The fact y’all try and compare 50 (who also had the EM and Dre stimulus package) to a man that came out solo, created and defined a whole genre of hip hop is New York bias. 50 took Ja whole style and came up off it…while insulting Ja for doing said style. I’m a fan of 50, I’m just trying to get y’all to see the bias in this shit.

[@gifi11]

Super facts and this is coming from someone from the east coast. How and in what world is TI not on 50 cent level musically??? Matter facr that could be a true statement because TI is beyond him.

[@perfectleehuman77]

Wonder if Joe forgot JD producing Destiny’s Child?

[@1bmwoods]

joe is cold w words, podcasting shit was made for him tbh. That spades analogy just off the head like that was tough

[@Hoyt.45]

Facts str8 natural

[@lorenzowalton2652]

he been saying it tbf

[@AcerbicOrder]

JD is in the song writing HOF. The NY Bias is and will always be a thing of course it's not the same as it was because the industry has no other options. Southern artists from the 90s and 2000s have every right to feel some type of way. Not long ago dissing mumble rap was a thing. They were dissing dance/snap and ringtone music. Remember Hip Hop is dead? The bias didn't end in 1999

[@bundydachosen1]

Ny is the only bias place ? Ask an Atlanta nigga who will win between 50 cent and Gucci mane and see who’s bias …..

[@Hqpj]

So jd has bigger and better hits than puff foh liar

[@1bmwoods]

@@bundydachosen1 Im from TX & Imma say Gucci over 50 fasho lmao

[@bundydachosen1]

@@1bmwoods so thats southern bias isn’t it ? 🤔

[@Juganator]

@@bundydachosen1 50 music aint age as well as Gucci and TI. It’s really that simple. When’s the last time you heard a 50 song in the club?

[@t.wynderogriffin798]

JD has written and produced 2 diamond LP’s….puff produces without hitting buttons, does zero writing. For all the great things puff does he gotta relax with JD ain’t good enough to box with.

[@malikkhalid2941]

Thank u

[@carlostejada145]

Thank u

[@jamesblue7883]

Song for song JD doesn't stand a chance.

[@jamesblue7883]

Joe should really just shut up when it comes to telling puff he shouldn't say JD doesn't have the records too match him. How many rappers with way more hits did Joe try to say he was better than during his entire career?

[@RealFlorida305]

It doesn't matter where you push buttons and produce..... All you got to do is have a creative idea and let the other people do it and then you hit,

[@jerrynelson168]

Y’all tripping JD and Puff is an even match.

[@petermckenziejr4125]

Big facts but I'm giving jd da victory.... Dre n puff would only b interesting for da bad boy death row era

[@Storyofarose]

Lmaooooo no it’s not bruh stop it

[@HeNeedSumMilk]

Puff smokes jds boots

[@NotLikeUss]

Puff gets smoked like Biggie smh don’t ask me why

[@sonyap8253]

@@NotLikeUss don't do that tho

[@tredarriuscanady1630]

TI walking 50, the delivery/stage presence matters

[@petermckenziejr4125]

Big facts somebody tell me a great 50 album u can play almost all da way thru after the massacre, I ll wait

[@jelasoul6]

@@petermckenziejr4125 a verzuz is 20 songs ur point is irrelevant

[@slimeballmk6656]

Fif records are to big

[@dbmae1532]

Yeah No time for sarcasm

[@scttalim]

TI is over rated there’s no way he adds up to 50 are you nuts

[@NolanDaddy]

The NY bias is Yoda strong . Here's what New Yorkers have to realize, that shit ain't hit as hard as Dre and JD around the country facts 💯

[@mphenomenal]

😂😂😂 yeah ok

[@MikeyBee-]

Facts

[@MikeyBee-]

@Terence Johunkin facts 😂

[@MrSayWhatIThink23]

I’m not from NY but idk about this one. Dre maybe, not JD

[@GunzNbutter]

🤣😭🤣😭 what are y’all smoking…I need some Lolol

[@officialiicon]

The New York worship is strong in this one

[@Youtubekert]

The Mecca of Hip Hop? Why wouldn’t it be…

[@Donkingj99]

@@KZbinkert Big FAX

[@jackofallcreators2224]

Plus y’all not understanding that the rest of the world doesn’t feel the way NYC folks feel about these records as they aged.

[@dee65cee53]

That’s true but we don’t feel the same way about southern mumble rap and shaking your booty music that won’t last the test of time.

[@Hoyt.45]

It doesn't matter how we feel about the records what matters is the impact they had when they came out

[@biggnutts3156]

"New York, New York big city of dreams and everything in New York aint alwayz what it seems"

[@dee65cee53]

@@biggnutts3156 always remember where the checks come from and it ain’t the SOUTH. NYC is where they go to get the money. Strip club music I’ll give you that but lyrical I don’t think so.

[@mawkdawg]

@@dee65cee53 South is way more than mumble rap & strip club music, that's the commercial shit but its a real underground scene if u kno u kno

[@tsunamisurfer7344]

Look at Joe finally learning not to bite the hand that feeds him! Puff beats everybody LUL

[@DSRKing23]

Except Dre

[@tsunamisurfer7344]

@@DSRKing23 Him too

[@lindseym2134]

Nah. Dre got hits from NWA, Snoop, 50 Cent, The Game, 2Pac, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, Mary J, Nas, The Firm, Xzibit,.

[@tsunamisurfer7344]

@@lindseym2134 Yea but will all of them show up to perform those records? Puff can bring out Jodeci.

[@jairoportillo3932]

@@tsunamisurfer7344 snoop , & em would deff show up

[@franksmithii608]

JD been making hits since the 80s

[@REALTRUEJOURNEY]

No he hasn't lol

[@SnakeyD8468]

@@REALTRUEJOURNEY that's wat I was saying? Like wat did he do in the 80s? Lol

[@donneysimpson8536]

JD was dancing with Whodini in the 80's. His first group was a girl group in the 90's b4 Kriss Kross.

[@freshfinesse9874]

The difference between 50/busta for T. I. Is that T. I. & 50 are from the exact same era.

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

Joe ignored that on purpose

[@perfectleehuman77]

Point blank!

[@tblack6296]

Joe forgot about location we don't listen to Busta down south. T.I is that dude down south.

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

@@tblack6296 nah, in Busta's hey day in the 90's we DEFINITELY was rocking with him.

[@tblack6296]

Nah we was rockin with west Death Row and south stuff like UGk, Scarface, Goodie Mob , and OutKast.

[@DevTheGamer]

you trippin if you think 50 Cent has 20 songs that will get him a W in a verzuz against T.I.

[@Jay05610]

Nigga will have to play Get rich or die trying on repeat.

[@Dman_chiefen96]

@@Jay05610 lmao 🤣

[@stephenbetts6367]

GRODT, Massacre, mixtapes, power of the dollar, beg for mercy, how we do, hate it or love it, how to rob…

[@jermaine_blackman9817]

I wonder how joe’s reaction is gonna be with the whole Karen civil situation. I know he’s good friends with her.

[@Firestorm2814Sector]

Educate me

[@MaalyB26]

@@Firestorm2814Sector i mean Karen literally had a podcast on his channel with the shorty who she tried to sue and COUNTER sued her and WON lol... I’m definitely waiting for that convo as well

[@gilbert102]

Aint nobody listen to puff or jay z like that here in Texas.

[@gilbert102]

I think Nelly will wax some of these fools up.

[@cbrxwn]

@@gilbert102 Nelly got mopped up by Ludacris

[@johnmiles6147]

I’m with Ice on the Daz and Quik matchup

[@coolcole115]

I like that matchup. Quik is underrated or forgotten about. He wasn't aligned with a click like that so I think ppl don't realize the hits he's contributed

[@maddoxmalcolm]

In my Tupac (Bishop Juice Voice) talking about Puff. "This Nigga Scared""

[@bigboy0494]

Diddy puts his names on a lot of records he didn’t produce, a lot of those hits were produced by Trackmasters, Stevie J…

[@sonyap8253]

👏👏👏👏

[@deborahdockery3842]

Yup along with black keys and al b sure but let them tell it Puffy done everything

[@amorebeats2873]

I mean Diddy runs bad boy label so all the songs on bad boy is his records

[@sonyap8253]

@@amorebeats2873 I'm a teacher. The lessons I write are not the school's. Same thing.

[@amorebeats2873]

@@sonyap8253 wrong not the same thing bad boy records is P Diddy label so he has the rights for the records of course he didn't produce some of them records but the label did push them songs out to the world and he makes money of them

[@aarong3000]

The New York bias on this podcast is soooooooo ridiculous!

[@gbyrd07]

Ice does bring some balance though

[@REALTRUEJOURNEY]

Go listen to the ATL podcast lol

[@KenyonClemonsNY]

You're welcome

[@Donkingj99]

New York started Hip Hop what do U expect

[@aarong3000]

@@Donkingj99 Who cares? Basketball was invented by a Canadian. Nobody gives a fuck, hahaha. We are living in the present, not the past!

[@bertyoung8889]

When Verzuz started, two cats played songs/music that they ACTUALLY produced. I believe their names were Swiss & Timbaland. Diddy is an executive producer, JD is a RECORD producer. Big difference. Does Diddy have a vaster executive production catalog than JD? Yes. If Diddy was asked to play songs wherein he was involved in creating the music - he'd have 0 songs to play.

[@jmh521]

THANK YOU. These dudes naming songs that Diddy didn't produce whatsoever.

[@rindershow212]

At the end of the day versuz has become a platform for artist that are affiliated with certain songs. So as long as diddy is affiliated with certain songs then he will be In the game. Now if we get technical, and if versuz was all about the technical side then JD destroys Diddy. Jd is an actual song writer on a serious level, he's an actual producer both executive/record,he's a Rapper that writes his own stuff e t.c . Diddy can't touch any of these accolades. Diddy owned badboy so there for any song played from badboy label diddy gets credited for it.

[@bertyoung8889]

@@rindershow212 Oh Ok...I see why Dr Dre won't match-up wit puff because he don't wanna be playing songs that he actually produced while puff play songs that he was "affiliated" wit. Puff should match up somebody who 's just affiliated wit certain songs. LMAO!!!!!!!!

[@rindershow212]

@@bertyoung8889 dre and puff doesn't even make sense to begin with.

[@bertyoung8889]

@@rindershow212 Diddy disagrees with you!

[@maddoxmalcolm]

Joe versus Match ups be so off. Just be hollering out anything.

[@dlmoney11]

Yeah that Omarion shit is wild.

[@YellowSynth]

Puff got hits stop it yo

[@davidgates5699]

It’s personal preference, I like Jagged Edge music over 112. MJB and Usher is a push. Biggie has to go up against JD’s remixes. But who is dealing with Mariah?

[@bossdeandre]

I don’t think that Mariah gonna bang like that, unless she there. Especially against all them classic rap songs

[@rustyjames5000]

Mary and her remixes can hold up against Usher and Mariah if we're being honest.

[@davidgates5699]

@Tone Ball Not the old Mariah before she crossed over.

[@GreaZZZYDRAWS]

Puff beats Dre ???? Crazy af

[@betterthanyaaverage...1036]

Love Puff but he ain't no PRODUCER like JD, we gotta stop. The match up actually doesn't even match. Puff is more DJ Khalid than JD...

[@miketime4290]

Jd an all time songwriter too

[@sonyap8253]

That's a much better match up

[@sonyap8253]

Jd vs Timbaland??

[@miketime4290]

@@sonyap8253 JD would smoke timbaland

[@M360-w6o]

@@miketime4290 nah smoke is a stretch

[@jonathannoln8502]

Diddy didn’t produce a lot of those records you mentioned

[@stylescasino1006]

Nope and a lot of puffy hits were remakes from 60’s amd 70’s

[@Stanley_Fields]

Didn’t produce none of them! 😂

[@samuelstokes6624]

Cube VS Scarface would be fire

[@PRINCEMETRO]

🧊 Ice Cube VS Ice T 🧊

[@Dumauch]

50 got 20 solid hits 1. 21 Questions 2. Magic Stick 3. What up Gangsta 4. Stunt 101 5. Candy shop 6. Hate it or love it 7. Ayo Technology 8. I'm the man 9. Baby by me 10. Amusement Park 11. Patiently waiting 12. How to rob 13. Get in my car 14. Wangsta 15. Getto Quaran 16. Big rich town 17. I get money 18. Hustler's Ambition 19. Many Men 20. In the club

[@kawaiipotatolewis9507]

“It’ll really be hard for puff to fuck up a 20” 💯

[@movie3450]

Puff has mad remixes.🤣😂🤣😂

[@xondaslap2120]

Y’all crazy to think puff can smoke Dre

[@lindseym2134]

Facts!

[@mikemccurtis4904]

Biggie is his only trump card when Dre got NWA, Snoop, Pac, The Chronic, Emenim, Fif, Game !!! THESE NIGGAS TRIPPING WITH THIS NY BIAS!!!!

[@jeromejenkins1733]

Y'all can't protect 50 from versus forever. He gonna get exposed for being a three hit wonder eventually. I'm sure in NY he had more hits but globally?He's just birthday song man 😂

[@ogtrillwill]

I thought he was the director of Power

[@nvm7191]

@@ogtrillwill yeah he should stay over there cuz he’ll get smoked in this rap shit lol

[@markjackson1512]

He smokes ti 3hits stop it

[@dangelowash1183]

Facts

[@ashockablack1670]

@@ogtrillwill THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC OR HIP HOP.

[@A1MadeTheBeat]

I don’t know about Joe argument. I agree Puff winning but, TLC, J.E. Heartbreak, Anthony Hamilton first album, Never Scared, Monica, Xscape, Nelly, Usher, Mariah and a lot more…that shit is not a walk in the park at all.

[@petermckenziejr4125]

Dey slick sleeping on JD n tryna clean it up by saying he a legend... JD got a team of writer's n producers but he produce n write himself in addition... Dey need to Google all JD done did

[@sonyap8253]

Diddy catching this L.

[@moziahgarvey4514]

Nobody cares about Monica, XSCAPE, Da Brat, Kris Kross, BOW Wow, or Heartbreak in a VERSUS battle between JD and Puff. That's why JD probably will get mopped. Puff has classic 90's/2000's bops people still listen to on their own today.

[@arringtonj]

Bro, I’m gonna honest with you, half of those artists you mentioned JD only signed. Not all, just some of them. He signed J.E, Da Brat, Xscape and Anthony Hamilton and Bone Crusher (his biggest and only hit was called “Neva Scared” and JD didn’t produce that record). He produced some of their music, not all of them. In fact, he didn’t produce Anthony Hamilton’s first album, he was just the executive producer. I not too long looked up TLC’s catalog, and JD only did one or two songs each album, and NONE of them were records we know about. To be real with you, he would need Mariah, Usher, Xscape, J.E, and Da Brat. Whereas Diddy would have Biggie, Mary, Faith, 112, Craig Mack, Jodeci, etc. Now that I think about it, this would be a Verzuz battle of executives. Because neither one REALLY produced anything. They just ad-libbed and danced in the videos. Some records they had their hands on and were huge hits. Though actually producing the records, that would go to DRE all day. Just my two cents.

[@Shotbyleazy]

That yella nigga on the right is bugging 🤣😭! When puffy played VICTORY IN THE LIVE IT WAS OVER FOR JD! THEM PUFFY JOINTS ARE GOING TO HIT HARD ASF IN FRONT OF A LIVE STUDIO AUDIENCE.

[@freshfinesse9874]

T. I. Is RIGHT to bring that narrative back. It's always been a factor. Always will be.

[@dontizzle805]

If you have to bring the narrative back means it was dead. Meanwhile ducking Busta Rhymes

[@freshfinesse9874]

@@dontizzle805 The south has been dominating. But bias from that region has never faded.

[@Jphill85]

He cant have one conversation without saying Drake's name. It's crazy.

[@Hangingwithtyrell]

Ahahaha

[@karateflix]

Am I the only one wondering why Drake gets so much “respect”? I mean not as a man or artist. Totally respect his work and legacy. But he speaks about this man like he is a certified MC when it’s well known his pen isn’t all his.

[@420boxingnetwork7]

PUFF CAN BEAT DRE???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 DRE CAN PLAY SHIT FROM THE 80’s AND HAVE THE BUILDING ERUPT(straight outta Compton) HE CAN PLAY SNOOP, CUBE, PAC, KENDRICK, EMINEM, AND EAZY! ALL HUGE RECORDS! HE HAS NEARLY 40 YEARS OF HITS

[@GAMJ30]

Joe trippin talkn bout T.I. can't see 50 in versus. He really sleep

[@ashockablack1670]

Right!!

[@CnormTV]

Was just about to post that

[@derrickcozart7118]

Shidd 50 don't think so 😂

[@OnlyLiric]

50 got twenty joints just off 1 album ! Lmaooo

[@GAMJ30]

@@OnlyLiric you got to be an up north nigga if you think T.I. ain't got more than 20

[@ibz_56]

This man literally said puff will beat dr dre he got stuff from nwa all the way to Kendrick

[@rustyjames5000]

And Puff has Heavy D to French Montana club banngers in a live setting.

[@ibz_56]

@@rustyjames5000 last time i checked puffy never produced them songs and those artists are not bigger than any of dr dre biggest artists

[@el84oro]

@@ibz_56 dre has ghost producers too, they all have ghost producers, hell still dre was done by that white dude, i forget his name, dude who went to rehab. what jd has that he can really brag about is that he executive produces and produces too, but he actually writes....and he doesnt just write rap joints but r and b too.....something dre and puff cant do. i still got puff over both of them

[@NotLikeUss]

Dre murders Puff stop the 🧢 foolie

[@dangelowash1183]

BIAS COMES IN WHEN you lived in an area and you experience that vibe. South feels the same about about ourmusic. 50 doesn't have 20 songs that win.. he has the novelty big songs.. but the rest are hood deep cut NY songs are your east coast songs that we liked, but caint beat large records.

[@Hoyt.45]

Bruh you really think 50 don't got 20 smh You got: How To Rob(Classic Hit) In Da Club Many Men 21 Questions P.I.M.P. Wanksta How We Do(feat Game-yes I said feat Game) Hate It Or Love It (feat Game) or the Remix Magic Stick(Lil Kim) Candy Shop Just a Little Bit I Get Money Window Shopper Hustlers Ambition Cake(Banks) I'll Whip Ya Head Boy Bestfriend Outta Control Remix(Mobb Deep) Stunt 101 Poppin Them Thangs Wanna Get To Know You (G-unit featJoe) Work It Remix(Missy) Crime Wave Baby By Me So Seductive (Tony Yayo) I Know You Don't Love Me (Tony Yayo) Major Distribution (feat Snoop & Jeezy)

[@ducemeans27]

I agree 50 got 5 mega bombs then he falls the fuck off TIP will smoke him

[@Hoyt.45]

@@ducemeans27 Smoke who? Lol you funny

[@bundydachosen1]

@@ducemeans27 u high bro ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dangelowash1183]

@@Hoyt.45 lot of beatable songs....and the rest are NY Rugid songs that only speak to NY. He would be better off battling another NY Group cause he will lose on soulful songs...He is too boxed in. His music is like his G Unit Wife beaters. It will take you back to an era, but soon as you put it on, you realize you can't wear that shit but to a nostalgia 90's party for shits and giggles.

[@italktherapywithwordman3197]

Puffy can't beat JD period. Get out of that NY bias. You can't beat Usher and Mariah with Mary and BIG

[@dctae]

I think It’s gone be close . All JD songs old as shit I ain’t gone lie that bow wow cross cross shit not gone work so cross some of them hits off the list lol

[@dctae]

@Gerald Wells lil bow wow big bow wow Shad Moss Wateva you want to call him lol them songs not gone be enough

[@REALTRUEJOURNEY]

That crazy y'all say on the internet lol

[@JBurnz001]

Your high

[@hectorsanchez5818]

Trey is trash u guys trippin. Trey vs august is the only one that makes sense they both mediocre. Omarion would wash him

[@godsongodson7435]

😂

[@THEMADVILLAIN.]

ALL ARGUMENTS ASIDE … THIS WILL BE A GREAT ENTERTAINING AND NOSTALGIC BATTLE .. IT WILL MAKE US FEEL LIKE CHILDREN ONCE AGAIN ..

[@jamesthomes303]

So do dre got enough rnb hits for diddy he got the street style is my question

[@ChrisDodges123]

15:45 The difference is that Busta Rhymes is from 1994....T.I. said this in the response. So what are you asking?

[@perfectleehuman77]

I’m glad someone said it!

[@CMO1061]

Also, Ice Cube/ LL is so sick

[@FrankJimzzi]

They don't match. Ice Cube got more hits than LL COOL J and he can smoke LL easily

[@diamondswag4lyfe714]

@@FrankJimzziYour Underestimating LL Cool J. I score. That Verzuz 11-8. Ice cube got 8-9 compared to LL’s 11

[@justinpigg1694]

trigga v. c.breezy for the title of "The Real Prince of VA"

[@NotLikeUss]

Chris would dominate it ain’t even close

[@justinpigg1694]

@@NotLikeUss not even

[@sonyap8253]

I think that's a better match for trey but Chris brown got like 4,000 songs that people KNOW. His catalog too crazy...

[@justinpigg1694]

@@sonyap8253 but he only gets 20

[@moziahgarvey4514]

@@justinpigg1694 Which means he can pick and choose. Trey got a struggle 20.🥴

[@marcuswright4787]

Thank God for Ice and Ish!!

[@killemall923]

For real!! Straight up NY bias!

[@TeBz_Iam]

As soon as J.D plays Janet Jackson its over for Puff

[@Steelo832]

This NY bias tho lol. Cause outside of a couple super staples, there is some songs JD can really go against and potentially win against. Now 50 vs T.I. is different cause I actually don’t think 50 wins that. After 10/12 records it’s gon get a lil tough for 50.

[@perfectleehuman77]

TI kills 50. And why Joe acting like 50 and TI is not from the same ERA? They were each other’s competition during that time.

[@jelasoul6]

@@perfectleehuman77 lol TI was never 50’s competition because during 50 run Ti wasn’t even on his level then

[@jelasoul6]

50 only 10-12 songs? Ur buggin

[@Steelo832]

@@jelasoul6 I ain’t saying 50 “only” has 10-12. I just think his strongest shit would be in the first 10.

[@slimeballmk6656]

Fif has 20 huge hits what are u saying

[@gilfordmccormack8140]

JD vs Puff is more of a formidable matchup than what Puff thinks. Puff shouldn't sleep on JD' catalog.

[@CrazyBronxBomba]

All Puff need is his Bad Boy catalog to destroy JD! No knock on JD, he got mad hits, worked with a lot of artists, great songwriter, been around longer than Puff but the impact that Puff/BIG/BadBoy had, they changed the game!!!

[@moreno_163]

I wanna see Joe vs Avant 💪🏾💪🏾

[@Smokeone11111]

TI IS DEFINITELY ON THE SAME LEVEL AS 50

[@HeNeedSumMilk]

😭 no the hell he is not…

[@TrevorJacksonTV]

He smoking 50

[@sonyap8253]

No he's not. He is above 50 when it comes music

[@Smokeone11111]

@@HeNeedSumMilk only one song I'll listen from 50 today is MANY men other than that his catalog is dated... didn't age well...Ti have more classics... still bump in the club

[@willardweston8984]

50 ain’t got enough, he can’t put GRODT on repeat

[@bucketentertainment234]

New York definitely over hype their artists, niggas don’t know French Montana songs anywhere else but there but ask New Yorker he’s one of the biggest artists of the last decade. Same with their older artists, there’s 100 songs we playing before all about the Benjamin’s in the south and Midwest

[@joelbreezy3116]

Damn Joe, That's the reason why T.I. said what he said....but you've been New York Bias for a long time....

[@ralphsegar1515]

This is why the South keeps defending themselves. When you look at the verzuz recap most of the radio stations (Hot 97 Ebro in the morning) always lean to New York artists. Listening to you Joe who I respect a lot proves TI and JD right. If they battle in Atlanta would that change your mind?

[@DKH757]

But if they battle in cali aint no bias towards either of them.

[@bundydachosen1]

So quick question …, how much ny rap do down south stations play ? I mean since NY so “bias”

[@timthetrucker6216]

@@bundydachosen1 New York barely play newer NYC artist.

[@RalphSegar1]

@@bundydachosen1 I was born in Harlem my friend and live there my first 12 years of my life. My top 5 rappers of all-time is 1. Nas 2. Jay Z 3. Biggie 4. Rakim 5. Big Daddy Kane. I now live in South Carolina where New York music is in heavy rotation. It may not be the same in Atlanta, but in SC I'm hearing New York music a lot. Its been that way for decades. I am 48 years old and love New York music and prefer it over everything.

[@bundydachosen1]

@@RalphSegar1 then u haven’t been in New york for a while …. These stations play more southern artists then New York artists and it’s been that way for almost 20 years … so when i hear the phrase New York bias in the year 2021 it’s laughable at this point !

[@Juk3n]

112 - Only You Junior Mafia - Get Money Biggie - Big Poppa Faith - Love like this Mariah - Fantasy REMIX ft ODB Biggie - One more chance remix Ma$e - Tell me what you want Total - Can't you see 112 - Peaches and cream Mariah - Honey ft The Lox Biggie - "Mo' money, Mo' Prolems Puff - Can't nobody hold me down Puff - All about the benjamins Biggie - Hypnotize Puff - Badboy for life SWV - Someone Ma$e - Feel so good Biggie - Nasty Girl remake Lil Kim - No time Black Rob - Woah They play this for Puff, and it's 15 - 5. Puffs bag of Anthems is TOO BIG. JD is great, a legend. But theres only 3 people touching Puffs catalogue, Neptunes, Dr Dre, and maybe Timbaland (but he's already battled.)

[@JahsilJason]

People talk about JD's Mariah bag but what 2 JD Mariah tracks are gonna beat Honey and Fantasy remix with ODB? Like this list. Definitely need Craig Macks "Flava in ya ear" remix in the 20 somewhere.

[@Juk3n]

@@JahsilJason Swear to god, people forgot just how much puffy has done in music. He might be a lil goofy sometimes, but when it comes to cultural anthems, Puffy in the top 3 for sure.

[@JahsilJason]

@@Juk3n Puffy is smart. From the jump he straight up said if he had any connection to the track in any shape or form he's playing it. Songs actually written and produced JD's got him but in terms of Bad boy vs So So Def its only going one way. Strickly Rnb and slow jams I actually think JD would come out on top but Puffs got too many hip hop anthems and as much as I love Da Brat, her and Bow Wow aren't gonna cut it.

[@mauriceramsey6046]

I’m glad they acknowledged the New York bias. Did Joe forget the Xscape catalog, JD’s Monica songs?

[@seehleD]

Joe and Puff forgetting JD could whip out his own Biggie collab on Da Brat's Da B Side. JD got some remixes in his arsenal, i didn't even know he has credit on Jay Z's Fallin and Success off of his American Gangster album, never mind Money Aint a Thing they did years prior. Usher's hits, Mariah, Janet Jackson, some Destiny's Child, Jagged Edge, Bow Wow, Tamia's Still and Imagination, Chingy's Right Thurr remix, Monica, Alicia Key's Girlfriend. JD can whip out a formidable top 20 easy!! I won't even say who's winning it, coz Puff can get caught out in his own hype and mess up his list even with a supposed superior catalog.

[@stuartchilongozi2439]

Puffy Excutive produced American Gangster and 80% was done by the Hitmen

[@Synchronite]

End of the day it’s gonna come down to execution and performance We’ve seen it again and again

[@travisdaniels1567]

U dead on point!..People dont remember Jd did work on BIG,Lil Kim and Junior Mafia and he can bring out SO SO DEF Bass Allstars ..Ghosttown Djs My boo and My boo from Usher and Alicia Keys.

[@CMO1061]

I love sky’s the limit and so many of the people I know love that song… but he is trippin

[@MrRiq29]

That's a classic I love that song but diddy ant do it

[@unknownx7252]

Ikr

[@iSaleSingles]

Fuck that TI & 50... We need a TI verzuz LUDACRIS!!!!

[@nvm7191]

T.I. Had atleast a 6 or 7 album run nobody played 50cent after his second album. It’s a reason 50 is trying to downplay versus saying it’s over yet it’s just been getting better.

[@Ah-ws9nm]

50s third album had better first week numbers than any TI album ever

[@ashockablack1670]

@@Ah-ws9nm PLEASE PLEASE✋!!!

[@ashockablack1670]

RIGHT!!!

[@nvm7191]

@@Ah-ws9nm lol that’s the album he made a bet with Kanye if he sell more than him he would quit and Kanye out sold him 🤣🤣

[@markjackson1512]

50 will wash ti 2 many classics

[@jasminebanks1166]

This podcast will never be the same

[@Demsky83]

All good things must come again. Sometimes in order to build you must destroy. It is what it is.

[@Coolfreetv]

TI washes 50 easy

[@marcuswright4787]

Me and homie just said that and you are 💯 correct

[@tredarriuscanady1630]

facts

[@5mysoluap978]

What would your TI 20 be? I dont think he can hang wit 50 and I love Tip.

[@barkleysmall2363]

Yea ii nigga

[@slimeballmk6656]

How please tell me how he washing him

[@TheQuestionsssssssss]

Ima have to Agree with Joe

[@jchristopherh5675]

All gotta do if u go first in versus is shoot your first shot off heart tone adrenaline and then use the 3 5 7 9 to respond instead of start new rounds

[@michael43567]

Biggie's discography is a cheat code. So many automatic points.

[@pactown8188]

When he brings up waterfalls parks says he didn’t do waterfalls lol but puff didn’t do sky is the limit either. Clark Kent produced it. So puff can play anything he didn’t produce but Jd can’t? Sounds bias to me. Easy mo bee did most of ready to die but it’s okay for puff to play those songs? Lol

[@aarong3000]

Yep, it’s crazy. We all know that Diddy didn’t produce none of that stuff. It was all the Hitmen. He was basically the executive producer of those projects!

[@nasa5700]

I agree its not fair puff is more like one who overseas everything and its more about his ear and changing or adding things to production . He dont actually play instruments or beatmaking machines etc like dre, kanye, jd etc

[@sonyap8253]

@@nasa5700 somebody said nah diddy vs Khaled and I agree

[@nasa5700]

@@sonyap8253 thats a fair match up . Both do the same thing and are more showmen type of producers . Rely heavy on their features .

[@BigGfromgrouphome]

What this is missing is the position people are in. Lox and JaRule went at this like they have something to prove. That matters!!! . Puff got more joints that hit different but JD needs/wants this win way more and that could be the difference. Still think Puff wins it though.

[@trishasmith3286]

The original Man was ( first human) was 4ft. JD has 20 in the 90’s alone. Puf is not on par with Dre. Puff could do Dallas Austen but Dallas vs Pharell is better. I’d like to see Large Professor Vs Q- tip. Ti vs 50 is perfection👌🏾. JD has Criss cross, Xcape, Mariah, Usher, and Da Brat! Not bad.

[@RashadDecosta]

Puff is not on Dre’s level??? Queen, either you are honestly tremendously mistaken or you just don’t know the true scope what Puff has touched. Whether it’s produced or executive produced, his reach in terms of classics is further than damn near anybody short of Prince & Michael Jackson. One More Chance by Big, It’s All About the Benjamins, Be without you by Mary, Real Love by Mary, Come & Talk to me by Jodeci, You used to love me By Faith, Soon as I get home by Faith, Flavor in ya ear by Craig Mack, Can’t you see By Total & Only You remix by 112. That’s half the battle right there & it took me seconds to think of that. & I barely touched any HipHop. Big got like 5 more records that are all pts and so does Mary. 112, Mase, Lil Kim, The Lox, Usher, Nas, Jay, & a dozen other artist got joints that could get thrown in there too. I know Dre got Snoop, Em, 50 & NWA to pull from, but that won’t last 20 records Puffs classics. Dre ain’t gettin washed by nobody, but he IS losing against Puff.

[@stuartchilongozi2439]

Puff has Total, Mary, Faith, Carl Thomas, 112, Jodeci, Mase, BIG, Mase, Shyne, Black Rob, Young Joc, he has remixes with Mariah, Janet Jackson, 3LW, SWV, Mario Winans plus his own catalog..

[@LordHaveMurcielago]

Arnold Hennings produced "Cupid" NOT Puff.

[@L12-w8x]

True..but Puff has last say so on his label on whats dope or not...and thats why you cant underestimate jd bc of all whose under his label AND management

[@xtxrx2349]

Ice: you don't like when that happens do you? Joe felt that shit on 11:51 😂😂😂

[@MrWelchsTV]

If you lock both men in a room who will have a complete album done? Meaning He Did The Beat Wrote The Lyrics & Mastered The Shit JD Puff Can’t Write nor make beats.

[@hollywoodpeezie1]

Just dance in the videos 😂

[@pillowjones]

Ne-Yo’s first Verzus was as a writer against Johntá. He could definitely do another Verzus as a singer. Trey Songz vs Ne-Yo is a perfect matchup.

[@dassehmc]

I just went back and listened to biggie’s “sky’s the limit” and naw that ain’t it lol Joe crazy if he thinks “what about your friends” wouldn’t beat that

[@2PokeDoke]

Biggie gets way too much credit IMO

[@FLEXLUU]

You tripping

[@donaquiles495]

See y’all youngins wasn’t outside yet and probably ain’t live yet…. That eta was called the golden era for a reason You had to be there js

[@donaquiles495]

Both of them got an easy 20. It’ll come down to if it’s live/or not, stage presence, guess appearances. Doubt if it’ll happen though

[@2PokeDoke]

@@donaquiles495 what?!?! Man best believe I was there that just wasn't me or most of my hoods wave mane. No Limit, Scarface, Tupac, NaS, DJ Quik, LL. Just because I'm that age don't mean a nigga gotta listen to BIG all like that

[@anthonybrown3481]

The moment JD brings out Bow Wow he lost

[@weshubbard9327]

Diddy would never beat Dre Joe must be on that shit again

[@420boxingnetwork7]

For real like wtf 😂😂😂 Dre can play shit from the 80’s

[@NotLikeUss]

Ong Dre put together the golden era in the 90’s

[@edwardjenkins3047]

Ice face when Joe says "Puff writes" needs to be a gif hahahahahaha

[@bluechannel.]

I’m glad Ice and Ish kept it real with Joe about his New York bias! He be lowkey trynna play T.I. like he wasn’t a staple for this down south culture!

[@traelmer5262]

When u really sit down and think ti beats 50 imo

[@bluechannel.]

@@traelmer5262 That’s facts! If you check their catalog song for song he has 50 beat.

[@shimmerveli9535]

You'd have to be in the sessions to know what Puff did in the studio but he for sure executive produced them all. It's different when CEOs do verzuz if think they should be able to play whatever came out on their record label and what they written, produced, or been featured on.

[@Marcus_Hunter]

If it is just hip-hop Diddy wins, if u include r&b JD wins easily.

[@mickyfingaz5132]

Come an talk to me jodeci. Beats confessions

[@Marcus_Hunter]

@@mickyfingaz5132 no it doesn’t 😂 not to mention the Mariah records

[@LKH98]

Missy vs busta rhymes that would be amazing

[@Ptzzy]

Look Diddy is right because once he hits the turbo mode and gets into rap (biggie, mase, lox, black Rob, Craig Mack, lil Kim) it’s a wrap for JD. Now R&B it’s a fight. Bow wow and the da brat can’t touch Bad Boy rap artist.

[@8997024]

Nope but okay

[@Ptzzy]

@@8997024 fam What JD gonna do when Puff his that real Hip Hop/Rap bag? Bow wow, da brat, dem franchise boys, Kriss Kross?? Come on yall! I got love for JD but puff rap catalog is flames!

[@8997024]

@@Ptzzy puff as a producer or exec producer 🤔 my nigga I was listening to mo money mo problems this am on the way to work but that’s Stevie j on the track not puff so idk lbs

[@8997024]

I do appreciate you coming from only a music perspective. Dre would smash him doe no bs

[@binta31]

Puff can play Woah 10x, Be Happy 6x, Dance with me remix 4x alone

[@mickyfingaz5132]

Biggie victory. Untouchable

[@Smokeone11111]

I need a girl is not as impactful JOE 😂

[@sonyap8253]

True but that was a hitttttttt

[@sashaducksworth3913]

What song 50 got that can fuck with Neva Scared? I'll wait.

[@barkleysmall2363]

Many men????

[@sashaducksworth3913]

@@barkleysmall2363 NEVER. Play them back to back right now and reconsider your proposition.

[@barkleysmall2363]

@@sashaducksworth3913 stop it lmao….wats wrong With u?

[@willardweston8984]

@@barkleysmall2363 50 cent ain’t got enough, 2 albums at best

[@DualityUnlimited]

3 straight episodes of Ish checking Parks, Hilarious!

[@Djatrak03]

Time stamps?

[@boogiedagiant5410]

The thing is JD is liable to pull some shit out the bag that we didn’t even know he produced

[@aaronbazil]

This was super enjoyable! I had forgotten about some of those records!

[@hateisasignofenvy651]

Man aint no body tryna hear some old kris kross and bow wow 😅

[@joelbreezy3116]

Why not ? U know puff gon play old biggie and old Mary j .....that's the whole point of verzus

[@daryleballard4912]

Remember. Joe been to Puffs backdoor parties. 😂

[@ChrisDodges123]

The Dream will dog walk Trey Songz. The Dream vs Neo

[@elcoriyodelo3ojo]

I was about to write the same shit to. The-Dream washes him and it would be bad. P.s I do not agree with Joe when he said Diddy beats Dr. DRE hell nah!

[@ChrisDodges123]

@@elcoriyodelo3ojo I think they say that because of the classic R&B records Puff would play. Dre has some, but it's perceived as Puff has the wider variety of music. Me personally, I love Dre's catalog more.

[@elcoriyodelo3ojo]

@@ChrisDodges123 I hear you BUT, fuck all that! Dr. DRE's catalog is retarted enough that he don't need none of that R&B bag. DRE's CATALOG IS LOOOOOOOOOOONG nd Budden made it sound like Diddy belongs in the same breath as DRE. Besides, DRE is a real producer it don't even make sense to pit him against Diddy. Idk I just feel we given Diddy tooo much credit. In a classical hiphop 20 vs 20 DRE eats Diddy.