Jerusalem and the World Tree

[@DRMSH]

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[@catherinewhite2943]

Perhaps Dr Heiser could indeed spend his whole life in Genesis 1 through 11, but we are so glad he has not limited his study there!

[@googIesux]

"I could spend my whole life in Genesis 1-11" My bro, I am far less studied, but I already feel the same. Every time I read Genesis, I am amazed by something I didn't notice before, and am also left with more questions than before.

[@prograham2222]

I agree! Genesis is my favorite book in the Bible hands down!

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Read biblical pronouns closely. False God says things like "let us make man in our image; after our likeness." See the plurality?

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@ready1fire1aim1 *FRAUD ALERT*

[@kimsolomon7111]

I have gone through the Bible at least 10x & The Lord always Teaches me something New..

[@MrMCN1963]

“More questions than before” quoth the reader. You are getting the message without understanding the points. There is no wisdom or answers in your book, only complex double speak and Iron Age symbolisms detached from real meaning. You can break free anytime and harvest more results in the one life you know is real.

[@brotherpaul7774]

You show us the truth in such a simple manner. Ty for teaching us all the beauty of scripture.

[@ambermichellenope9549]

Dr Heiser, The love and thankfulness I have for every second of every minute of your time, studying, research, speaking engagements and lectures. Not to mention the video and the work you put into it. You truly are a truth teller to our world and I am so very great full for you! You have opened my eyes, you have helped me to connect dots I couldn’t wrap my head around without your work! Keep going but don’t stress! Laugh🤗

[@sharonsteigers4162]

This is absolutely fascinating. Thank you for posting this.

[@charlesmorris8791]

Great teaching, thank you very much for sharing. May God Bless you and your loved ones... Maranatha!

[@birdseyeview6523]

Thanks!

[@Chancey464]

Could sit all day listening to Mike ❤

[@konstantinoschristou3701]

Thank you for all. May you be well.

[@christinadinham4760]

Thank you so very much. You are a bridge builder for the Lord. 😘♥️

[@elfinmagic1217]

Wonderful the way Dr. Heiser has helped me to re-mythologize my world. There’s so much there beyond the domination of the reasoning mind.

[@The_Lion_And_The_Lamb]

Poor fool. Pray for discernment. I like Dr Heiser too but I’m still free to think for myself and not believe everything he says is the absolute truth. NASA is satanic and if you don’t know that go look at the symbolism in their logo and all the fake pictures and videos they have put out, you can’t tell me those Freemasons are telling us the truth! No bloody way!

[@googIesux]

The literalistic mind? Materialistic... mind... Not to quibble.

[@yasminelove3665]

Or perhaps the indoctrinated mind...

[@ethanhocking8229]

Have you heard of Jonathan Pageau?

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Those ‘under the earth’ refers to those dead who will kneel to Lord Yeshua when they resurrect.

[@debo0757]

So much depth Just love it

[@chuckomgyahoo]

Water seeks its own level

[@thetruthchannel349]

*And daffy duck seeks his own ducky beak in all cartoons where Elmer Fud shot if off* - *CATEGORY: SOUNDBYTES that don't mean a DMN'D THING for $300!*

[@stevetobe4494]

The earth is a sphere.

[@newhouse.joseph]

Who is making these thumbnails bro lol

[@Tracy-Inches]

Agree, they put the absolute wrong person on it, and the text?? Interesting, Mike did you and Rob Skiba ever have a sit down? I truly wish you two could have shared so much together. Mike, why do you not take the text literal? You do see through the lies we are being fed? Genuinely curious. I have been a long time subscriber of both you and Rob for years.

[@plumbago379]

Wow! Fascinating! Thanks dr. Heiser!

[@davidpetersonharvey]

When he said "primeval texts," I thought he said "primeval Texas" for a moment and we were total bros.

[@JeanSuccess]

Which study by DMH is this taken from? I want to hear the whole teaching 😊

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

Its a snippet from his college class. Never seen a source except if you enroll as a student.

[@mrv1271]

Another great Bible teacher.

[@ProphetsAmongUs]

Once the Lord had my spirit standing out in outer space or the Heavens. I was in spirit form, and I felt huge and as I looked out into space I saw a huge universe tree that looked like a tree but it looked like it was made up of glowing white veins but the shape made it look like a tree. Now, I looked and saw countless planets and stars or “heavenly bodies” that were all around this glowing tree as if trillions of planets grew around it, it reminded me of a universal tree of life, and I felt like these heavenly bodies were teeming with life.

[@thetruthchannel349]

*B.S.*

[@transporterIII]

Keep talking most people object because they have not had a visionary experience. Stephan(Acts), John (Patmos) had the same problem.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@transporterIII *That is NOT the issue with that load of crap at all.*

[@samueljohn1771]

That's a nice encounter.

[@baronreed8131]

@The Truth Channel Good luck, you're going to need it!

[@richjames7595]

Dr. Heiser you could've used also the earth illustrations of early Israelites back then, to prove more of your points

[@TheMdames]

It's all literal until it's an inconvenient truth

[@AR7-15]

🙏🏼😇- brilliant w the Spirit! I knew it! God revealed this to my heart, thanks for the extra confirmation. Godbless u, blessing God, blesses us up!💥👊😇

[@hanrickbarnard4424]

Hallo Dr Heiser in Ezekiel 8, Ezekiel is lifted up 'BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH' why is that, and where is that?

[@j.m.4858]

Great video as always 😎

[@wigglesworth3717]

True, flat earthers probably wouldn’t tell you about this but they might show you a lot of similar images.

[@thetruthisstrangerthanfict4367]

Actually many of us are acutely aware of the "world tree" concept of cosmology. We are also aware of where it actually comes from.... It is actually a core concept of kabbalah/witchcraft.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@thetruthisstrangerthanfict4367 It is actually a core concept of kabbalah/witchcraft *Its amusing when people like you state things emphatically that are not factual as if though they were.*

[@racksityentertainment]

Would love to hear the entire presentation ! Any link please?

[@janvankollenburg]

Dr. Heiser, I noticed you use the Logos Bible software, but they have many editions, apparently classified through main branches of Christendom. I am just interested in bare theological study, but in a serious way. What edition of the Logos packages would you recommend?

[@zenyattamondatta7757]

I don't see how this changes anything a flat-earther would think or believe. The world tree doesn't change the terrarium model of the flat earth.

[@thetruthchannel349]

*You might as well have said 'Colgate toothpaste doesn't alter the fact that Zebra's have stripes because they were originally intended to be the perfected stuffed kid's toys.'*

[@zenyattamondatta7757]

@@thetruthchannel349 Is this the kind of "wisdom" you're turning out at "The Truth Channel"? None of that made any sense.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@zenyattamondatta7757 *Hahahaha....LOL. Bless your heart.*

[@father.of.7bear963]

@@thetruthchannel349 are you a paid troll double agent who is employed by KZbin pretending to be a Christian who is against atheism, but is actually an atheist?

[@leighanneboles6609]

Absolutely

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Those ‘under the earth’ refers to those dead who will kneel to Lord Yeshua when they resurrect.

[@crutherfordmusic]

Acts 4 (KJV) 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[@readtruth6670]

I really think God made the ‘earthly’ reality to effectively act as a scaled-down model of the greater cosmology from man’s perspective. It fits in so many ways.

[@ethanhocking8229]

Have you listened to Jonathan Pageau?

[@readtruth6670]

@ Ethan Hawking I have not. I’ll check it out, thank you.

[@readtruth6670]

@Ethan Hocking Ya, I checked him out. I’m not on board with his thinking. I’m a literalist in the general sense, but I just don’t believe the Bible has to be literal from man’s perspective. It can be literal from God’s perspective, from the spiritual perspective (which I think is MORE real and MORE physical than the world we live in). The Bible is true on all levels-transcending the dimensions of time and space into the hyperdimensional and beyond. The Word of God is literally more real than you or I. It exists on this plane and all planes of existence. We do not.

[@joshuas1834]

@@readtruth6670 good responses to some goofy comments. Nice work.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@readtruth6670 from the spiritual perspective (which I think is MORE real and MORE physical than the world we live in) *True*

[@johnpaulraze9229]

Where's the original video? Anyone?

[@christfollowerrenee556]

I live all of Dr. Heiser materials. I would love to get Dr Heiser to do a session on heavenly beings being made in the image of God.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

He does have a good lecture on what does it mean to be made in the image of God. Real eye opener. He covers the topic thoroughly from all angles which confuses some, but I just listened to it several times and the concept the answer came into focus. Once you understand "the image of God" then a lot of the commands especially in the NT really make sense on WHY they're stated as they are.

[@TSY5909]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 hi there, is it on the podcast or which channel?

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@TSY5909 As you're searching for that particular lecture on Heiser's site you'll see tons of other topics you'll definitely want to explore. If you can't find the Image one, let me know and I'll try to track it down.

[@donthomas4793]

Is it awesome though how we can study these things, sharpen one another, and no matter what side we fall on, has nothing to do with our salvation.

[@jimboone8000]

This video does not go against flat earth. I believe in all my heart that the earth is flat.

[@supermcfly100]

I believe it's NOT a spinning ball orbiting the sun flying through space. I also believe Jesus died for all of us. And he's the only way to life.

[@pelinalwhitestrake1176]

This man’s research kinda led me to becoming a flat earth Christian not entirely but he certainly helped.

[@thetruthchannel349]

*ATHEIST FRAUD.*

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

He tends to mislead on many many subjects and interpretations but people are easily duped because “he’s the scholar”

[@jivenji17]

@@AllOtherNamesUsed he is not right on all things. I disagree with him on annihilationism which he somewhat approves

[@leighanneboles6609]

But he doesn't believe in flat earth

[@leighanneboles6609]

@@jivenji17 what is annihilationism?

[@isaiahkerstetter3142]

How many also like the "Lord of Spirits" Podcast and/or Jonathan Pageau?

[@yasminelove3665]

Dr. Heiser, God bless you and I’m so glad you seem to be doing well and feeling better! I’ve learned SO MUCH from you and I thank God for you. I do have a couple questions: How is it that Moses spent 40 days and 40 nights on the mountain speaking to God “face-to-face, as a friend speaks to a friend,“ and yet God allowed Moses to believe and perpetuate the pagan “myth” of the cosmological shape and nature of earth, effectively denying and denigrating the majesty of the very thing (firmament) that “sheweth His handiwork”? Can you name any other passages of Scripture where God allows the Israelites to continue pagan practices and beliefs? I seem to remember God telling the Israelites over and over to NOT do as the pagans do, and not associate with the pagans, and in many cases to kill them all. So it makes no sense that God would allow Moses to continue believing a pagan “myth“ about the shape of the earth when God could have very easily set the record straight on the mountain. As a retired airline purser, I can vouch for the fact that there is no curvature to the earth, even looking out of cockpit windows which have a 220° view. From that view at 40,000 feet the visual span from left to right is over 1,000 miles, which, according to globe-head math, would involve a curvature of 666,666+ feet (interesting number). If you don’t think you can see over half a million feet (126 MILES) of curvature from the sky at 40,000 feet, I respectfully suggest you’re suffering from serious cognitive dissonance. And one more question, please: How can the 1500-mile cube of the New Jerusalem possibly be placed on a globe earth when the curvature underneath it would be 1,500,000 feet (284 miles) in EVERY DIRECTION? It would have no firm foundation to rest on, but instead would be teetering on a fulcrum. Makes no sense.

[@kevinwoods5478]

Yes I agree.

[@questionthestatusquo4861]

And out of the tens of thousands of thousands of pilots to have ever flown. you're the only one! Hmmmmmm

[@yasminelove3665]

You obviously haven’t talked to the thousands of pilots that I’ve talked to...

[@ennuiblu]

Why does everyone here know so many pilots?? What am I missing out on?

[@thetruthchannel349]

As a retired airline purser, I can vouch for the fact that there is no curvature to the earth *As a Non-Retired LIAR, you mean*

[@debo0757]

Dr Heiser, Can the ANGEL OF THE LORD, be considered a JESUS to the elohim?

[@DRMSH]

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[@discerntruth3745]

I would love to hear the entire teaching on this. Where can I find it?

[@isaiahkerstetter3142]

I want to hear you talk with Fr. Stephen DeYoung!

[@catpocalypsenow8090]

Please prove the heliocentric model. I’ve been waiting.

[@jimmyboy131]

The point of the Bible isn't to prove or disprove anyone's model of what they think the earth looks like. Much of the Bible's descriptions of many things are symbolic anyway because it uses language that make sense to a person living in the time when the message was given.

[@pelinalwhitestrake1176]

@@jimmyboy131 So you’re saying the Holy Spirit was lying ? Yeah no

[@jimmyboy131]

@@pelinalwhitestrake1176 No of course not, don't put words in my mouth. C'mon, not everything is meant to be taken literally. Once you understand that then other things will make more sense and be easier to understand.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@pelinalwhitestrake1176 *This is an ATHEIST. No Son or Daughter of God would.or COULD ssy something this slannderous of the Spirit of God.*

[@swiftbear]

@@jimmyboy131 I find it hilarious that all the passages that explain the earth as a flat earth model its "that's allegory, symbolic or poetry." Never fails, people flip what's literal or symbolic to fit their eisegesis.

[@TwilightTrekker1]

Until this video, a non-flatearther has never told me this either. In fact, most Christians will simply lie or state in ignorance that the Bible 100% describes a globe earth. At least Heiser was honest about what the Bible says and more generally the cosmological worldviews held by both the authors and others described in Scripture.

[@stephenwooten6413]

Love that experience does line up with the scriptures, walking with Jesus on a flat earth. Empirical evidence all around us, we see flat, we feel no spin and we see the lights that are in the sky move above us. What would a toroidal field look like on a flat surface?

[@thetruthchannel349]

*This is an ATHEIST FRAUD.*

[@stephenwooten6413]

@@thetruthchannel349 hello Atheist Fraud, this is Bible believer. Nice to meet you.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Empirical like the earth’s round shadow seen during total lunar eclipses from around the world.

[@stephenwooten6413]

@@AllOtherNamesUsed What is a Selenelion eclipse? This is an eclipse where both sun and moon are seen separately by the viewer, if I understand it correctly but they are not “aligned”. Might check that out, of course they dismiss the happening with refraction and atmospheric conditions….but I’m sure you’ve actually looked into and searched for empirical evidence that you can prove to yourself, like what you stand on and how it is we can see to far and find no curvature. Why should we look up to determine what we live on.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@stephenwooten6413 *You are NOT a believer. Your FLAT EARTH con game ended 3 years ago. What is this? Nostalgia?*

[@father.of.7bear963]

Dr. Heiser disparages the heliocentric model much more than he intends

[@archfriend]

He's talking about the worldview of the ancient biblical authors, who are not talking about science but about theology.

[@father.of.7bear963]

@@archfriend would you say science and theology are mutually exclusive?

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@father.of.7bear963 *Science and Theology have NOTHING to do with each other. 'Mutually exclusive?' What kind of dumb-dumb are you?*

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

‘More than he intends’ or so you believe

[@father.of.7bear963]

@@AllOtherNamesUsed yeah, so?

[@joebuck4496]

This guy knows more about Canaanite and Hittite languages than I know about English 😂

[@TheNikolinho]

Ok, we aren't told the most important thing - how are other mythologies, esp. the Nordic, fitting with their worldviews of the World Tree with the biblical teaching?

[@kevinclint7588]

JESUS CHRIST IS KING,……………AMEN

[@realitywins6457]

For those of us in the back, is he saying that verses used by proponents of flat-Earth are not to be taken that way - that they are symbolic?

[@JohnDoe-qr2cp]

@Gypsy Lil Straight to the foundation = love it :)

[@TSY5909]

@Gypsy Lil FE ther myself but battling to understand, the camera followed by 🤔🤨

[@TSY5909]

@Gypsy Lil thx I actually just wanted to know what ftw stand for 😁

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Earth’s round shadow seen during total lunar eclipses that happen around the world/at different angles ftw

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

@Gypsy Lil it’s like proving the shadow you cast is really yours. It’s predictable and repeatable when the earth is between the sun and moon in a straight line according to the standard model (albeit the standard model has problems when describing other space phenomenon especially deep space). Even a partial lunar eclipse shows the earth’s round shadow at different angles around the world but a full lunar eclipse is better to show the whole round shape. You easily can demonstrate the effect in a scaled down model which proves the standard model in regards to the earth’s globular shape. You can choose to disbelieve all this if you’d like to or need to for whatever reason or agenda, it makes no difference. Have a nice day.

[@michaelnoble2432]

Ancient people (including those who wrote the Bible) understood that the Earth is spherical. It's a myth that most people thought it's flat at any point in history.

[@lonecrusaider]

I'm confused... Are we saying the earth is round or flat? I'm going with round as it fits God's design.

[@mrhickswife]

The Bible says circle. You can have a round flat circle, like a plate. Search the Gleason map.

[@richardmason7840]

The End is known from the Beginning. Thanks Enjoy YAH ELOHIM !

[@anniemiller7729]

The concepts mean something= words mean something.

[@glennshrom5801]

Mike, While much of the book The Long Ascent (Gen. 1-11 in Science and Myth) does not resonate with me, Robert Sheldon's idea that the Garden of Eden is where Mount Zion is, has a very true ring to it IMO. His idea was that the bed of the Mediterranean was once land, with the ocean held back by a land dam at Gibraltar, which broke in the days of Noah. But that is sort of a secondary point. If he is correct, I wonder if the modern Tigris and Euphrates rivers were named as such much in the same way that European city names were used in the new world. In other words, the New Tigris, and the New Euphrates, of the East, named (like maybe when Cain went east of Eden) after the original ones in Eden (Palestine region) . Anyway, lots of Sheldon's ideas didn't stick, but you may want to check out this idea of Eden being or at least including Israel, and the garden where Adam and Eve ruled from, being where Mount Zion is today.

[@leewest6241]

Thumbnail is clickbait. He isnt dogging on Round, Flat, Biblical or Pear Earthers. Good listen tho.

[@imjustagerl261]

The earth is actually pear shaped..~Neil D Tyson. Me..” why is NASA showing us a blue marble then”… NASA employee..“it is photoshopped but it’s it has to be”…

[@hughjass6327]

the earth is banana shaped

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Those ‘under the earth’ refers to those dead who will kneel to Lord Yeshua when they resurrect.

[@jivenji17]

He is not direct that’s the problem

[@leewest6241]

@@jivenji17 he is probably afraid to admit that the Bible has it right about the Earth and not NASA

[@vivliforia2262]

“The pillars of heaven tremble And are amazed at His rebuke. - Job 26:11 So, the "pillars of heaven" are/were actually just tall trees... Hm... Makes sense, according to the cosmology. Thanks.

[@lukewagner8871]

Galatians 4:24-26 KJVS [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. There are two Jerusalem. Hebrews 12:22 KJVS [22] But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

[@P.H.888]

Yes amen 🙏🏻 Jesus said You Must Be Born Again From Above ⬆️

[@lauranelson7479]

The center is the Antartica. (the bear) and Mt. Erebus (a place of darkness in the underworld on the way to Hades) is the exact center.

[@arneherstad2198]

The Author of life became a man to redeem a fallen race. This happened on Earth. There is no other show in town, and there is no other Town. Every sentient eye is fixed on Earth. Not all of them are happy, hence the present darkness. But this will pass, and we who believe will see the Author of life and stand blameless before him in love. This inheritance is ours through the Finished Work of Christ. Nothing more is needed, nothing less will do.

[@au7-721]

Another Bible believer. 👍

[@Sio369CArchives]

I’m not seeing how the model you presented (Norse gods depiction of our realm) doesn’t align with a flat earth geocentric model. I bet no “flat earther” has any hesitancy whatsoever to share the image with others.

[@thetruthchannel349]

" flat earth geocentric model" *why do you people always lump flat earth with geocentricism?*

[@Sio369CArchives]

@@thetruthchannel349 I don’t know who “you people” is/are, but flat earth model depicts sun, moon, stars etc as rotating above the earth just as is depicted in the geocentric model. Both models depict that.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@Sio369CArchives *No, it doesn't. Geocentric model has nothing to do with FLAT EARTH. You're demonstrating you have no idea what GEO or HELIO or CENTRIC means.*

[@Sio369CArchives]

@@thetruthchannel349 Under the geocentric model, the Sun, Moon, stars, and planets all orbit Earth. en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Geocentric model - Wikipedia I’m thinking maybe you are demonstrating what you don’t know.

[@Sio369CArchives]

@@thetruthchannel349 I mean, a basic site like Wikipedia jives with what I said. It says sun moon stars etc orbit the earth. I said in a flat earth model they all rotate above the earth. Flat earth model and geocentric model harmonize on that point. If you have an issue still then you may want to write to Wikipedia and correct them and every other definition and explanation of geocentric model out there. Good luck to you 👍

[@phillipking6153]

I’ve been researching the earth model for 2 years now. I, like everyone else, believed in a globe earth just like school taught us and just like we’ve seen on movies and in NASA “pictures”. But as I couldn’t prove the sphere earth with any experiments I have done or any experiment I have seen anyone else has done I have come to the firm conclusion there is NO curvature to our earth. As far as other cosmology arguments, no one really knows at this point. It is fact that the sun isn’t 93,000,000 miles away as they have told us either. Anyone can calculate that easy using basic trigonometry and the shadows cast by the sun. Space and NASA deception is all about to come out. It is the same thing as the evolution lie we were sold. In my lifetime I have seen more and more people rejecting evolution to the point where almost no one buys into it. The whole space and alien race invasion coming lies are part of the end time deception to discredit the Bible and our Creator. The Bible is very clear….the earth doesn’t rotate.. the sun and moon are the ones moving. He told the sun to stop, not the earth to stop rotating. If the sun is close and is the one moving then the whole heliocentric cosmology model, we are taught, falls apart.

[@phillipking6153]

@Notim nope. Eratosthenes’ story just proves how gullible we all are. Anyone can redo that experiment these days without paying a pacer to step it off and it definitely proves a local sun. Doesn’t prove curvature whatsoever.

[@Richtaco]

Love it. But has nothing to do with flat earth. Lol.

[@chris_wick]

In Norse Mythology (which, as you pointed out, is the source of the image) so too did Odin find himself hanged on the world tree, dead for 9 days in his own process of apotheosis. One wonders how many nations were given genuine prophets of the Lord, equipped with culturally compatible revelation to aid in their eventual conversion to Christianity. Germanic Pagans in particular took to Christendom with almost unprecedented speed, as if they'd been waiting for it their whole lives. Perhaps not all members of the Divine Council rebelled against God

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@TheThrivingTherapsid *You failed to point out the Hávamál was written in 1,270 A.D. So, about 850 years ago which was about 3 centuries after Christianity reached Iceland. A close friend of mine is a Doctor of History and his specialty is the Intersectionality of Christianity and pagan religions and mythos. This poem is a great example of religious intersectionality.*

[@steveaird9347]

Odin is mythological

[@steveaird9347]

@@TheThrivingTherapsid that is weird but satan can appear as anything he wishes to

[@Trwillis9]

These demons stole from Christianity in a conspiracy to lead people astray and convince the world that all religions are the same or have the same origin….be wise!

[@stompthedragon4010]

@@thetruthchannel349 thats a very interesting subject. P.s. I subbed

[@darklotus5309]

Are you still working with that church?

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

He gives updates on one of his several sites.

[@darklotus5309]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I haven’t seen anything

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@darklotus5309 I get an email about once a month.

[@darklotus5309]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 if your talking about the MIQLAT newsletter I haven’t seen anything in it about whether or not he is staying with Celebration

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@darklotus5309 This is from Nov/Dec 2021 timeframe. The director was also diagnosed with cancer sometime after Heiser's. That left one secretary running it. So the program shut down pending medical outcomes.

[@UnderTheFloor79]

Is Heiser an atheist?

[@thetruthchannel349]

*He just has an army of atheists courtesy of Alphabet Inc. assigned to his channel.*

[@reshephyisraaldawnoftheawa7990]

why didn't you use the cosmology shown by your past employer Logos? Some of your past teaching seems to prove that Eden was the center where YHWH had His divine council. Are you saying that Jerusalem was the site of ancient Eden?

[@geraldjohnson8871]

This is good.! As long as we never Forget that there is no other name(Y'shuah, Jesus)given to man whereby We must be Saved. Shalowm and l pray you are well dr. Heiser.!AMEN.!

[@steveaird9347]

YESHUA Hamashiach Hebrew language for Jesus the anointed one

[@geraldjohnson8871]

@@steveaird9347S A AMEN.!

[@spacemanspiff9773]

Yes, we can spend our entire life in Genesis 1-11! ❤️

[@thetruthchannel349]

*I cant take anyone all that seriously that says something that ridiculous. It doesn't REVEAL anything. It CONCEALS Truths later REVEALED. That would be like having certain court documents UnSealed and then saying 'I would give my life to have all these documents ReSealed and put back under shroud of secrecy.' It just doesn't demonstrate wisdom.*

[@spacemanspiff9773]

@@thetruthchannel349 I’m not sure what you’re implying that Genesis 1-11 conceals. Care to elaborate?

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@spacemanspiff9773 *The New Testament reveals what is concealed in Gen. The doctrines handed to the Church were the result. It makes absolutely no sense to wish to remain in the shadows of that which has been revealed in the full Light. I find it disturbing.*

[@spacemanspiff9773]

@@thetruthchannel349 so you don’t see clearly the good news of redemption in Genesis? I think instead of “concealed” as you alluded to, it’s amplified by the New Testament.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@spacemanspiff9773 so you don’t see clearly the good news of redemption in Genesis? *Better question. When the Gospel was delivered to the Apostles by Christ did the Apostles then themselves teach and preach the from the cryptic allusions in Gen. or did they preach the REVEALED Christ, Him Crucified, Resurrected and Seated at the Right Hand of God? It isn't AMPLIFIED. It is REVEALED. Theres a HUGE difference.*

[@ready1fire1aim1]

[Leibniz's contingency argument for God, clarified]: Ten whole, rational numbers 0-9 and their geometric counterparts 0D-9D. 0 and it's geometric counterpart 0D are: 1) whole 2) rational 3) not-natural (not-physical) 4) necessary 1-9 and their geometric counterparts 1D-9D are: 1) whole 2) rational 3) natural (physical) 4) contingent Newton says since 0 and 0D are "not-natural" ✅ then they are also "not-necessary" 🚫. Newton also says since 1-9 and 1D-9D are "natural" ✅ then they are also "necessary" 🚫. This is called "conflating" and is repeated throughout Newton's Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic. con·flate verb combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one. Leibniz does not make these fundamental mistakes. Leibniz's "Monadology" 📚 is zero and it's geometric counterpart zero-dimensional space. 0D Monad (SNF) 1D Line (WNF) 2D Plane (EMF) 3D Volume (GF) We should all be learning Leibniz's Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic. Fibonacci sequence starts with 0 for a reason. The Fibonacci triangle is 0, 1, 2 (Not 1, 2, 3). Newton's 1D-4D "natural ✅ = necessary 🚫" universe is a contradiction. Natural does not mean necessary. Similar, yet different. Not-natural just means no spatial extension; zero size; exact location only. Necessary. Newtonian nonsense will never provide a Theory of Everything. Leibniz's Law of Sufficient Reason should be required reading 📚....

[@brotherlevis8553]

well I don't know where you were going with this... Mount Zion, Jerusalem and the Temple are litteral places, indeed, but are also figures of speech to understand spiritual concepts... Jerusalem is meant to represent the city of Heaven where God resides, which is in Heaven, the Temple is meant to represent the House of the Lord in Heaven, which is where it really is... all the jewish holidays were given to the israelites based on this spiritual concept, of going to Heaven, that's what the hole bible is about, the story of redemption of mankind, reconciliation with God, the ladder of Jacob going up to the Heavens from Jerusalem, because out of Jerusalem, God has sent his only begotten son who built this ladder for us through his sacrifice, allowing mankind to go to the Heavens, making of us the fruit of God's vine. The actual center of the world is the north pole under the star Polaris, all the stars in the firmament revolve around it... and so does the sun and the moon, going around the world in a geocentric cosmology, which is 100% literal and observable. Jews had a calendar as well, based on the cycles of the moon, and understood pretty well that everyting revolved around the world, not that the world is spherical and spins on its own axis at an angle in orbital 'outer space' being part of the 'heavens'... if you like Genesis 1 so much, you should understand that stars served the sole purpose of showing time... in other words, they used the stars to know what date it was, doing so, they knew it revolved around a center that was not Jerusalem... Jerusalem is the center of the world 'spiritually' for means of redemption for mankind, redemption from the fall of Adam, from sin and all that separates us from God, not 'physically' but 'spiritually'. God is everywhere and has made everything that is in Heaven, on earth and under the earth, Jerusalem was chosen to bring forth the promises He had made to Adam and Eve, which was to crush the Serpent's head through the seed of Eve, who is Jesus. It was chosen so that all prophecies would come true, be written down and passed down from generation to generation, so the knowledge of God would fill the entire earth and everyone would benefit of God's promises of redemption. in other words, Jerusalem was chosen for the word of God, the bible... to exist. Now that we have the bible... God fearing people can have hope of going to the New Jerusalem, which is in Heaven. Jesus is in Heaven, his true followers don't go to the Sheol when they die... they go where Jesus is, in the New Jerusalem.

[@mrhickswife]

Amen!

[@kellykizer7014]

Six of one and half dozen of another.

[@jdlyonsky]

Jerusalem is the axis mundi.

[@mostholyplace]

Great video. Here are some things I discovered regarding these concepts. The Earth is a Mother in the Bible, just as in other religions. She is Mystery Babylon who receives the Blood of those slain. Abel was the first whose Blood Earth drank (Genesis 4:10). Jesus relates the Blood of Abel to Earthly Jerusalem (Matthew 23:35). Mystery Babylon has a Womb. It is called the ‘Lowest Parts of the Earth’ (Psalms 139:15). Jesus descended into the ‘Lower Parts of the Earth’ (Ephesians 4:9) which was Mary’s Womb. Thus, Hell is an allegory for the Womb. Earthly Jerusalem is synonymous with Mystery Babylon’s Womb. That is why She is called ‘The Center of the Earth’. The Temple in Jerusalem represents the Ovum which is the Temple Body at the Moment of Conception. The High Priest represents the Male Seed that enters the Ovum on Yom Kippur and fertilizes the Most Holy Place with the Blood of a Bull (DNA from Mother) and the Blood of a Goat (DNA of the Father). The Most Holy Place is what the Bible calls the ‘Heart of the Earth’. It is where Jesus went to sprinkle his Blood to atone. The Newborn Child represents the Scapegoat. The ‘Tree of Life’ and ‘Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil’ represent Ovary. The Forbidden Fruit is the Zygote fertilized by the Seed of the Serpent (Male Seed). The Forbidden Fruit is in the cup Mystery Babylon holds (Revelation 17:4). All have partaken to incarnate. Again, it is the fertilized Zygote we all came from. The Tree of Life gives Fruit on a monthly cycle. In other words, She has a period. New Jerusalem is the new Heavenly Womb that replaces the Lowest Parts of the Earth (i.e. Center of the World). The Pearly Gates is the Yoni by which the Saved enter to literally become Born Again. The New Earth is Sarah. Now do you see the connection ‘Pillar’ between all these concepts? The Lake of Fire is Vesta (Tophet), representing the Moment of Conception. I would hope you could watch the videos on my channel and use your amazing talents to give this information justice. It needs to be heard in your words.

[@P.H.888]

Some heavy weed 🌿

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@P.H.888 *nah. This guy is a Crack addict*

[@baronreed8131]

@@termination9353 Hello Termi, I see that you are still out and about spewing blasphemous garbage.

[@c-LAW]

Nice FE troll thumbnail! Heiser may not be a fe'r now, but he will be.

[@racevanandros2916]

Cuninghams Law LIKE ROB SKIBA, FINALLY.

[@jeffschmidt4449]

We can only pray the Holy Spirit removes the scales from his eyes... He is so close on so many things. One more step Dr. Heiser... You can do it. What you read is TRUTH

[@father.of.7bear963]

@@jeffschmidt4449 I doubt Heiser will ever cross the Rubicon into FE in this life. It would be too personally traumatizing, as well as putting the deep 6 to his lifelong academic bible studies career.

[@c-LAW]

Mike Heiser has taught me much. His insights are closer to the truth if not the truth. I can't wait until harvest those same insights once he sees the Flat Earth.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@father.of.7bear963 *this comment section is crawling with atheists desperately trying to spread flat earth as a Biblical tenet. Dont be fooled. Ive dealt with this and documented their activity since late 2017. I catalogued accnts, traced them and i cross referemced their comments across YT. 80% of all 'Christian flat earthers' in YT comments from 2018 to 2021 were PROVEN & DOCUMENTED to be ATHEISTS and many of them were linked to Googles parent company. I handed ALL of this data over to the ACLJ a year and a half ago.*

[@revolutionunderground]

YES!!!!

[@williamleadbetter9686]

The ancient Hebrews also believed disabilities came from sin. Jesus told them neither the blind man or his family sinned to make him born blind. The ancient jew came back with the Babylonian talmud infused with Karbalic mysticism which is likely why they did not could not recognize their Messiah standing right in front of them.

[@2btuff]

We need you, Dr. Mike!

[@kgbear3662]

So close. I wish they met true learned men that know Flat earth from a biblical perspective.

[@sreed7637]

Its like the mandelbrot - the tree.

[@hymnsake]

Earth is flat and stationary nothing he said really touches that but good lesson anyhow

[@betawithbrett7068]

2 Samuel 7 Prophet Nathan to King David 12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. Ezekiel 34 23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them-My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken. Ezekiel 37 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ” 15 Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 16 “As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17 Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand. 18 “And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, ‘Will you not show us what you mean by these?’- 19 say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 20 And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes. 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. 24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”

[@pepoperez8]

Clickbait: what is what flat-earthers would not tell me?

[@FrankGrauStudio]

We today also often refer to heaven and hell being above and beneath us. But we don’t mean it literally, so why assume the biblical writers meant it literally? Is it simply because ancient pagans believed that way? I continue to encounter this unproven assumption that the biblical writers copied their surrounding pagan neighbors’ cosmology. But God clearly called the Israelites to be holy, separate from their surrounding pagan cultures, and commanded Israel not to share their beliefs nor their behavior or practices. So why would God then turn around and allow the biblical writers to teach the false cosmology of pagans? Moreover, the cosmological descriptions given in Job and Isaiah are God speaking, and certainly God wouldn’t teach false cosmologies held by pagans.

[@archfriend]

"I could spend my whole life in Genesis 1 - 11" How many failed attempts at reading The Bible have I had because I keep dwelling just on these chapters.

[@narrowistheway77]

That doesn’t make sense, those are some of the most informative chapters to understand the rest of scripture with

[@kurakuson]

"what Flat-Earthers won't tell you"

[@WildLifeDrummer]

I don't get what it is that "flat earthers won't tell you". It's just another description of the flat earth model.

[@spiritjoerr7508]

MAKE DISCIPLES “Make disciples of all nations immersing them" Who is "them"? the disciples you make. We need to teach people to be followers of Christ before immersion. Go (traverse as you are going) therefore and make disciples (followers/students) of all the nations (peoples), baptizing (immersing) them in the name of (into the possession of) the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (Matthew 28:19) Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized (immersed) in the name of (authority of) Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38 Those outside of Christ are under the curse of the Law. They cannot be saved without meeting the Messiah at the cross, therefore, they must follow Him in His death, burial, and resurrection (Romans ch. 6). Dt 21:23 - his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance. Gal. 3:13 Jesus took the curse of the tree that we deserve (Deuteronomy 21:18-23) upon Himself; Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”- Baptism is not a Ritual Baptism is not a ritual to gain admission into the church of Christ. Too often we are baptizing unaccountable children. There are no biblical examples of young children being immersedBaptism is not a Ritual Acts 2 verse 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved. Act 4:4 - But many of those who had heard the message believed; and the number of the MEN came to be about five thousand. Act 5:14 - And all the more believers in the Lord, MULTITUDES OF MEN AND WOMEN, were constantly added to their number, Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, THEY WERE BEING BAPTIZED, MEN AND WOMEN alike. Act 17:12 - THEREFORE MANY OF THEM BELIEVED, ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF PROMINENT GREEK WOMEN AND MEN.

[@ezekielnow425]

I'm new to Dr. Heiser and he has opened my eyes and my understanding about the Bible to another level. I am a flat earther and I have never read GOD creating another earth like place. Along with the sun and moon, GOD also called the stars luminaries to give light on the earth and for signs and seasons. In ancient books the sun, moon, and stars are described as angelic not terrestrial or big balls of burning gas giants.

[@oldkingdomgemini9178]

I'm trynna convince my flat earthing friends that the earth is round. Jesus is a whole other battle.

[@betawithbrett7068]

More than 2000 years of chronology in Genesis. No other Biblical book comes close. Having said that, lots of silent periods in it. 😔

[@erinb6369]

In my understanding, this neither supports nor denies a "flat earth" (more accurately, perhaps: an enclosed and stationary earth). We know that Israel is the "travel center" of the earth. But does that have to mean it is the literal center? We know Israel is not Eden, because Eden was (and is) closed off to humanity. That is truly where - originally - the "heavens" met the earth. Currently, no one can go there. Much like the true "North Pole". Which is where some believe Eden is located...this would be that central pillar, or "axis" transcending all levels of reality...right down the center of Creation. Directly below The Kingdom of GOD. Also, where the Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil would be. It stands to reason that, post-fall, God chose the next best place to connect with humanity...the place that is most central to all civilization.

[@P.H.888]

Revelation 22 v2 no tree of Good&Evil (no curses). but 2 trees of Life!

[@thetruthchannel349]

But does that have to mean it is the literal center? *It has been the meta-center for a very long time. The word LITERAL is too, mundane to even use here.*

[@stumpintheearth1088]

Jesus, God's Word, the Bible, is written on the flesh of a tree.

[@P.H.888]

Probably animal skins then papyrus eventually paper now computers.

[@michelhaineault6654]

In fact Christ IS THE CENTER OF ALL THINGS

[@mishaanton5436]

Many 5 ti 7 minute snipets. Your following a utube template so that get ads. Sad. "Let's esh this out...5 minutes." My perception of you has changed with this worse of the worldly walk.

[@daddada2984]

So what?

[@allglorytoyhwh2023]

The Tree of Life. YAHSHUA HA MASHIAC

[@ExpiditionWild]

If you’re concerned about the flat-earth in this comments section you’re missing the point

[@tonypino5415]

The "earth" still looks kinds flat though, no? Looks like a flat earth with a tree stuck in it.

[@thetruthchannel349]

*all ancient Cosmologies are virtually the same. They are Hyper-physical representations. It is ALL symbolism but not in the way that you find in Eschatology and Prophetic texts. Its representative of Cosmic Geography.*

[@Professor-taboo]

So answers this ….. was there not fallen angels ? Giants ? Talking donkey ? Unicorns? Prophets bringing the dead back to life ? A great flood ….. I can go on and on . Or our we supposed to take the entire Bible as a Metaphorical Allegory?

[@whynonbelieversareidiots8543]

he knows the truth about yggdrasil now let the stumps cover the earth

[@lodwill4007]

The better a person preaches. The less people watch...Lesfeldick ministries pointed out if he had to big of audience. He would fear he was not preaching right. True. Church mixes the 2gospels must see Jim brackin and Ron knight and steave Atwood and Jim devney and Richard Jordan and Lesfeldick ministries explains church mixes the 2gospels