Jesse and Dodger Discuss Fantasy Shows and More! | The Geekenders Ep 44

[@xxacidmv]

You know what time it is!

[@christophera.-mckeown130]

I can reply to this message but some things wrong with the phone app and I cannot leave comments. Sorry for hijacking your reply to say I really like your video Jesse and dodger

[@MJinPitt]

It’s the weekend!

[@TheSteveSchulz]

Yo, it's the weekend!

[@88Spint]

Slaps so hard EVERY TIME :D

[@WhatMoonBone]

First off, for the people looking for the Star Fox-like game, it's Starbreed. Dodger did mention it. Funny that you mentioned Atlyss, it was recently featured in Iron Pineapple's soulslike dumpster dive series. Maybe you could have him as a guest? The Subverse team has some fans of Jesse, there's a related easter egg in the game, dunno if you knew about it.

[@BloodyValentine1000]

Thank you! Been refreshing the comment section looking to see if someone would post the name of mystery game.

[@dennisl9176]

whats the easter egg?

[@WhatMoonBone]

@@dennisl9176 there's an abandoned spaceship called Space Butterfly, and its description mentions a Captain Cox. There's a minor character who is also called Cox, but in my eyes the name of the spaceship is a dead giveaway of it being a reference.

[@dennisl9176]

@@WhatMoonBone oh lmao thats amazing

[@Eperogenay]

"You the cave troll!" I mean, as fan conversations go, that sounds absolutely lovely!

[@BusWindow]

I feel like not enough people remember that The Hobbit movies were first of all, supposed to be directed by Guillermo del Toro but he backed out in Pre Production so Peter Jackson and co had to entirely redo the script, then he got a stomach ulcer and was hospitalized. There was supposed to be only two movies and the reason it got extended to three was because he didn't have the opportunity to plan everything out like he did The Lord of The Rings so they made the Battle of the 5 Armies into movie 3 so he had another year to work on it. Personally I think the they turned out pretty well considering how much of a mess the production was.

[@N0d4chi]

They are pretty bad. Should have been one movie.

[@andromidius]

You can tell most of the effort went into the first half of the first movie. Because its near flawless. Second half of the movie starts to show signs of it being a rush job - there's some iffy CGI, actors swinging their swords at nothing where clearly there was supposed to be something inserted in post, etc. Then it went downhill from there, mostly due to bloat. The fact there's a fan edit that cut the trilogy down into a four hour or so single movie that works really well really hammers it home for me. There's a good movie (or two movies) in there - but my god, there's so much unnecessary padding!

[@YMasterS]

None of that had anything to do with why it sucked. They tried to make something that was written to be completely dissimilar to lotr into lotr. To top it off, the hobit is just a bad novel.l, so they were working with garbage to begin with.

[@CharmedBalthazar]

I hope Clarke's Hobbit Storytime Adventure will continue to be a weekly addition to the show until they're doing reading it! That's literally all I need haha.

[@AgaricRook]

I still remember and think fondly on the 20th Anniversary streams of Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, and FF6 Jesse did where the goal was to beat them within 24 straight hours. Those were great, with the friends and players rotating in and out to keep it going.

[@vaidenkelsier7757]

lol, the whole time Dodger was going on about a show that has a specific length and wraps up and is really sold and then there's a demand for more....I was screaming Supernatural at the screen until she said Supernatural. I never felt so seen in my life. LOL

[@GypsumGeneration]

it's so funny how quickly this turns into a therapy session working through Jesse's objections to trying just slightly harder at his job.

[@OnetastyJoe]

I mean, he did say that he cant recommend the show to anyone. To me it sounded more like "Yeah i did like Love Island, but i know its really trash tv"

[@Doomroar]

Now i am very curious about that Star Fox like game

[@joshualevine8345]

Shoulda been called Star Fux

[@digitalbooklett9357]

Upload is usually like an hour before I'm off work but it's a beacon of the weekend, and always let me know it's almost time to go. Thanks to you both for the great podcast!

[@anansistrange8750]

Adventure time is the perfect show to me, some only like the first few seasons some people only like the later stuff but growing up along side Finn was amazing.

[@hescutethough2419]

As someone who has to work most weekends these are so soothing on my way to work and back, thank you guys❤

[@lainwakura]

“the suit is space batman” the suit in question : literally nothing like batman

[@RedRocksies]

I love this podcast so much. Thank you for doing it.

[@Belvie]

Kipo and the age of the wonderbeast is a great example of a show that was given 3 seasons to tell a story and they fit it in perfectly and that was it.

[@Ayay01]

Mr inbetween , that show was the perfect length , Would i want more, Hell yea i do so it is really good fans like me is not in charge lol

[@mickleman52]

9:49 my takeaway from this is that makeup is the gateway drug we were all told to fear in middle school.

[@Pretender6]

@11:00 the Mantis, or M.A.N.T.I.S. was a Sci-Fi show, about a rich guy getting shot, paralyzed from the waist down, develops an exoskeleton, tries it out, and ended up becoming a vigilante, had a nice underwater access point for his flying machine

[@lillianjones2577]

*salutes* I'm doing MY part (to get a mushroom tattooed onto Jesse)!

[@nicoletheknightowl7560]

Listening to geekenders on a monday is a whole different mood

[@JasperAyeee]

for maybe the first time.. i've completed this week's homework already~ love The Good Place

[@MrDenzel20]

Jesse, look up Flip Witch, pretty good adult metroidvania if you're in the mood

[@Burred11]

I do like how we are just shamelessly giving Jesse erotica recommendations now. I'm here for it.

[@MrDenzel20]

@@Burred11 I mean, yeah, but it's also a solid game with interesting mechanics, there's just some extremely nsfw pixel art

[@JeffreydeKogel]

Speaking of shows that should've gotten more seasons: I hated how The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistence didn't even get a second season. Granted, it wasn't a perfect show, but I abolutely adore the visuals, the worldbuilding and the general vibe of Dark Crystal and would have loved to see much more of it.

[@matheusarruda6462]

Dark Crystal was fantastic. The Archer sacrificing himself ("Now we shall see what lies at the dream's end.") to stop The Hunter lives in my head rent-free.

[@moonlily3464]

Definitely check out Dark, and do it blind. Probably my favorite show I’ve ever watched.

[@groundcontrolto]

Starting my Saturday properly, breakfast, coffee and Geekenders.

[@midnightmiqo]

The Good Place was a perfect show. Dodger nailed it.

[@rukinohi]

I feel like the Rings of Power is the modern day Xena or Hercules (with Kevin Sorbo). Just some silly fantasy stuff you can't really think about too much.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

no! everything needs to be perfect and made specifically for me or else it's TRASH!

[@Guydude777]

Oh gee, so many games coming out! I'm so far behiiiind! Thanks for the heads up.

[@jeremiah1293]

Took me a hot minute, but I just finished playing Gestalt! It was a lovely game, and I can’t wait for what may come next.

[@DaMapleMoose]

Join team bald Jesse. Freshly shaved head on a cold pillow. best feeling ever.

[@dennisl9176]

I just want to say shoutout to Jesse for shouting out the "adult games" he's playing. I played wedding witch a while ago. its not amazing but its very much a competent vamp surv like

[@andyackerman7123]

Monk, Paych, Rescue Me, Burn Notice

[@MinisterWighty]

I tried to watch The Good Place, figured out the twist by the end of episode two, and tuned out.

[@TheGrasshopper4000]

Hey, I DO know what time it is!

[@jimjam7928]

Getting the Mantis quest early in Starfield and playing the whole game as Space Batman was my experience as well. Best way to play the game XD

[@fang_xianfu]

1:26:26 Yeah! I thought the ending of the second Matrix movie, where Neo uses his powers in the real world, was supposed to be saying that they're still in the Matrix after all! The third movie I imagined based on that was way better than the one we got.

[@PiktcVelns]

Whatever that space games called yeah i had fun with this part, rangs of powa yeah it's a fun fanfic. Jesse dodging those dumpster fire topics like Neo 😅🤟

[@commandwolf713]

The perfect show in my recent memory would have to be Alice in Borderland. It's just put together so well. I thought the ending was gonna ruin the whole thing, but they pulled it off.

[@TetraSky]

Oh lord... That afternoon down is hitting me hard these days. I felt my eyes closing a bit before starting this while sitting in my office chair. I regained a bit of energy, enough to type.. 45 minutes in. Oof. do... Do I watch back from the beginning...

[@m1n1m00se]

Once again I am requesting more Max Cox and Dexatronic skits at the beginning of Geekenders.

[@deathlycosa]

The Magicians is currently on American netflix and it's an amazing coming of age story.

[@daemonbane1]

Jesse's experience is the right way to play Starfeild IMO, and good on him for avoiding the dull content. Starfield is a game made by a company that is great at making bespoke environments, where they for some reason made a huge aspect of the game take place in procedurally generated areas. All the areas they actually designed are great, its just that all the procedural content drags it down.

[@SigmaElement]

25:10 the starfox rippff has to be STARBREED. It looks just like what Jessy described, all the way up to the slime man. There is a free demo on steam. And it looks amazing

[@thecaryou]

You guys should try some K-Dramas. Almost all are one season and wrap up the story in 12-16 episodes with like mini archs. Good ones Flower of Evil, Crash Landing on You, Move to Heaven, etc etc.

[@Rynicus]

i had no idea that the lead in spartacus died when i was marathoning it for the first time and i was so mad they recast him, for what i thought was no good reason whatsoever (TRUE), it was a sad time 😭

[@icarus933]

Wait, what time is it? It's Geekenders time!

[@wynnefox]

Shows that I really liked that finished: Original Trigun, IDK if you want to count them but TFS' DBZ and Hellsing Abridged series, Owl House, Batman The Brave and The bold has one of the best endings, I can't think of any others yet.

[@davidracek3051]

mob psycho sttraight up 10/10 from begining to end

[@TheKevinPodcast]

ITS THE GEEKEND!!! No idea if the fantasy show chat will be positive or not, but I’ve been loving Rings of Power and Wheel of Time so it’s been a great time to be a fantasy fan for me 😂

[@TheKevinPodcast]

(I also don’t mind if the chat ends up being negative, the shows aren’t for everyone and not everyone who dislikes it comes at it from a place of bad faith! 😅)

[@kimaclaret]

I'm with you. My husband and I have enjoyed both these shows.

[@OnetastyJoe]

As someone who didnt have ANY experience with TWOT i really liked the series season 1.

[@TheKevinPodcast]

@@OnetastyJoe I think it’s a lot more accessible than it gets credit for tbh! I know plenty of people at this point who have declined the books when offered, then finally tried them after getting into the show. So it definitely works as an entry point!

[@MattiasCL]

If you count the Fargo seasons as separate shows (they're self contained), I'd say season 1 is definitely a perfect show.

[@ormoffat]

I didn't know or forgot the Rings of Power only had the rights to the appendices. Once I realized that I was able to enjoy it a lot more and forgive it much more easily for the lore changes. The poor execution of those changes? Yeah not as easily forgiven haha.

[@TheLoneBards]

The four different kinds of achievment: Congratulations you played the game. Do a cool thing that's not mandatory! Buy our paid DLC! Deal 90000000000000000000 damage with toothpicks. Separate from deal 9000000000000000 damage with broken toothpicks.

[@Umbra451]

Jesse and Doogs playing BG3? Goblin playthrough unlocked? Let's go

[@SupernaturalMonkey]

A friend of mine put on The Good Place without telling me anything about it and it was incredible.

[@hogger95905]

Makes me want to play Starfield just for that quest

[@nihilasta2661]

Voltron Legendary Defender was such a good example of a show that went on longer than they planned and kinda just got messy. It had its issues but also oh boy that fanbase was so toxic it made Chernobyl look healthy, I still think their insanity played a major hand in the messiness of it all in the end

[@tinybee7780]

That Metaphor game looks really awesome, but don't really like how that company deals handles their releases, especially now that there is just so many games you can play in the meantime. Definitely not picking that game up it till they inevitably get a FES/Golden/Royal version. There was so much QoL changes (like the PC release) when I played SMTV: Vengeance compared to the base game on release on Switch.

[@aetherdryth1]

The TV conversation... Nobody mentioned true detective (season 1😂)

[@dungeonmaster16]

12:00 one of my players for starfinder may like this once i tell them cause for the starfinder 2e playtest thats also compatible withg pathfinder 2e; in pf2e there is an archetype called vigilante which he took in starfinder 2e, went full space vigilante traveling through different sectors to take down criminal space lords, named himself darkstar. he is a vesk solarian (for vesk imagine lizard ppl with klingon views, for solarian imagine space paladin but with a mini sun/blackhole they carry to give them powers) with the blackhole option and later gear to stealth/traverse around and a starfighter decked in black/grey colors.

[@liamstubbins3000]

Havent watched it in years but feel like life on mars had a good pace throughout

[@liamstubbins3000]

detectorists too

[@samfroggeh]

I think the only show I know that I enjoyed and didn't overstay its welcome was Over The Garden Wall - it's also great for this time of the year as it's set during Halloween. :D

[@dezsos]

Could you format these so KZbin views them as a podcast? I tend to use the Google Music app and I don't see these uploaded in the podcast section 😢

[@GeneralNaga67]

That mystery game almost sounds like Trials in Tainted Space.. just with actual starfox gameplay and not text based? Maybe less NSFW too

[@tvardary6276]

the curse of Itmejp has struck. Jesse went to England and while Dodger spent the entire time... "Dodging Cox"

[@Badusername2000]

i think buffy the vampire slayer is almost the perfect show, the first season is iffy but the rest of it is amazing

[@harlequincat]

suggestion to the intro/outro song. First off, it's good! Good vibing, but... maybe to long? suggestion, make a shorter version for the intro, keep the long version for the outro. Just an idea. I love the show. Keep up the good work!

[@Daradain]

Totally agree with you Jesse about Rings of Power. Maybe it’s because I’ve been enjoying the stories in LOTR games for decades, but there’s a lot of very good stuff to enjoy. I think the comparison to the Hobbit movies is very apt. It’s not a once-in-a-generation masterpiece, but TBH it was never going to be. I do hope it keeps the current trajectory with improving things between seasons. Season 2 was better than S1, and S3 has a great deal of potential (with them closing down several of the unnecessary storylines)

[@LunnchBoxx45]

Yo, it's the WEEKEND!!!

[@mokajones74]

Shroom & Gloom looks inspired by the first chapter of Inscription

[@CapOfXav]

I really liked Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, felt like that show didnt outstay its welcome and had a satisfying ending

[@LucaLeRatt]

ok the walkable cities is absolutely a huge difference in the US vs England lmao

[@FEARoperative]

Battlestar Galactica was a very good show that wasn’t too stretched out and only had a couple filler episodes. The dip in writing quality by the end was due to writers strike.

[@TheSteveSchulz]

Walkable places... basically SF, NY, and parts of NJ, Boston and Chicago, lol.

[@wakkosan]

Rings of Power would have been received a bit better if it was labeled 'A story from the universe of LOTR'. And seson 2 Sauron is SO good. Him worm-tonguing EVERYONE was so cool to see. And Celebrimbor's actor is awesome. However, I do feel like the series is moving too fast. Maybe they will do less than 5 seasons but we will see. It's Jesse and Dodger so give them a follow...

[@nihilasta2661]

Given how bad the ratings are I would not be surprised in the least if execs decide to can it and just tell em "wrap it up in S3 and let's get this over with. Come on finish finish finish who cares if it's a mess!"

[@Evadooker]

Jesse please please finish Dave the diver!!! was my favorite thing to watch ever

[@MrSHADOWANGEL999]

Truly the geekend

[@Scarletbanned]

I would be curious to hear if they ever got around to watching black sails recommended by joefudge. I have many favorite shows, and black sails doesn't necessarily reach the top, but goddamn was it just elegantly paced and written, and it's one of those few shows that'll give you a great start, middle and ENDING!

[@GmTy]

I just bought the Beyond the Galaxyland, looks pretty cool, and now I gotta find money for Metaphor and Dragon Age 😅

[@bothor_]

Wow how did I not know Jesse voiced the troll? Awesome

[@syranon]

I think there are three trolls in that cave. Jesse, dodger and... Maybe Crendor?

[@bothor_]

@@syranon oh you're right, that's even cooler. The third is Joe Vargas.

[@lycos94]

Dodger should try the game ''Gunfire Reborn'' if she hasn't already, its similar to the Atlyss game she mentioned it has many super unique characters and weapons

[@hardwearjunkie]

"It's straight up just an RPG adventure." Everyone got their RPG cues from Tolkien (and, according to others, he was not happy about it).

[@Vaedran]

dodger's cam is flipped... jesse's window is open... I'm so disoriented

[@mybelovedchaos]

My homework for everyone is watch Evil, its far from perfect but its great!

[@Rasolisu]

Jesse gushing about Metaphor's Real time / turn based hybrid combat. Might I recommend Trails through Daybreak? Which is where Metaphor got the idea from and it does it way better.

[@andromidius]

I get why some people were frustrated with season two of House of the Dragon. But me? I loved it. Slow burn stories with a lot of set up are my jam, babbbby.

[@Lightniiing97]

I liked it as well and the ending was a good episode but not a good episode to end the season on, the problem is that HBO cut the last two episodes so we only got the build up the season and not the climax. Which makes it feel like a let down

[@kimaclaret]

Man, too much to comment on for this one, so I'll just say: Yes I agree with everything.

[@EmeffMonkey]

You better tell me what that game is, Jesse!

[@TruePerception]

How could you go into The Good Place blind? I already know the twist, and I haven't watched any of it.

[@jordanwilde9226]

Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is a perfect show to me.

[@thecaryou]

Wrong Gravity Falls is perfect from the first second.

[@whcnoland09]

Jessie went into the same head space with rings of power that he did with shadow of war.

[@owenhad8221]

Thanks Jesse ❤

[@generalmazur]

On the topic of the 'perfect TV show,' I know anime is a bit of a different vibe than American network TV, but damn if _Clannad_ doesn't fit the bill for me. Really just a tremendously beautiful show from start to finish.

[@commandwolf713]

Dude... Clannad After Story broke me. I'm tearing up just thinking about it.

[@Ekzodar]

You guys should get Alanah Pearce or SkillUp on the podcast!

[@davidpowers746]

I live in one of those places. It's called Chicago.

[@jdotja]

My perfect shows: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Orphan Black

[@sarahedwards4733]

I'm rewatching supernatural and fully plan to stop at the end of season 5

[@MadHermit95]

The only complaints I saw about the Sexy Shelob was that she wasn't spidery enough.

[@johnhardy1840]

Perfect show? Easy. Jack of All Trades. Those who don't know, Google and blow your minds

[@CLOUGHY101]

Perfect show? Season 1 True Detective