The Deadliest Karate Fighter (Motobu Choki)

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Discover how Motobu defeated the foreign boxer 🥊 (and why Funakoshi got the credit) in my previous video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oISvcpZ5ar1rn6c 🥋

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Domo arigato! 🙏

[@mrjuice1926]

Excellent this video speaks volumes !! Okinawa well always remain the true essence of karate ! Well done sensei Jesse you are crucial to the history and art of karate

[@austinwiebe2648]

I love these videos on the history of Okinawan and Japanese karate. Why not do a video on the history of Taekwondo (Korean karate) ? As a Taekwondo instructor I would love to see that

[@milojanjusevic6259]

Respected Sir Encamp, do make a story with sensei Mikio Yahara (Shotokan) about his real (street) fight with the Yakuza gang and then comment Shotokan style this way. Best regards!

[@pausetapemedia7942]

Thank you for posting this i been in search of His Style of fighting since you posted the last one. And yes he was a Karate Fighter for real.

[@Orimthekeyacolite]

3 takedowns in tuishou challanges are also traditional. The proverb goes: "If your opponent lost once it might be an accident, twice - cunning strategy, but three times really prove who's better"

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Thank you! Fascinating

[@LuizEnger]

And this is why I read the comments

[@caeserromero3013]

But if he's coming back after 8 times, he's a persistent fcuker :)

[@terryseldon7446]

Best out of 3🤣👌

[@terryseldon7446]

This is proven in mma

[@StrainXv]

It's sad Motobu's style is almost extinct, Practical martial arts should always have a place in the world.

[@divulgemagazinechicagol.an5632]

No it didn't

[@StrainXv]

@@divulgemagazinechicagol.an5632 ok bot.

[@assassinchristmas7288]

and it should always come first.

[@348ck3]

wasn't his style shorin Ryu?

[@matthewbaumann630]

Are there any videos or books of his style?

[@koichote]

My name is Choki Koichi, my father call me like motobu sensei. This history are amazing. We practice Karate too 🥋. We learned Motobu Ha Shito Ryu

[@davidaguirre9125]

May i ask wat type of karate would be useful for mma ?

[@jarabotelho5275]

@@davidaguirre9125 I bet the discipline wonderboy learnt could be one of the tactical ones for mma

[@martinrogerattrappelechat3639]

@@davidaguirre9125 it's not only karate, but daido juku (kudo) seems to me the most realistic for mma.

[@Vinnay94]

@@jarabotelho5275 Or Machida.

[@PureShrimp]

​@@davidaguirre9125 Dai Ki Haku martial art or kudo martial sport

[@TheThinkersBible]

Motobu Choki is a tragic story. But I think your insight into Motobu not doing politics well is probably a huge contributing factor. I also think your insight into kata vs kumite focus is decisive. It's similar to judo, which toned down jujitsu into an art learnable with significantly less risk of injury and thus got popularized worldwide. Same with Ueshiba's aikido vs the softened 'dance' style that's spread much farther than his original jujitsu based style. Softer and easier and less risky = more popular.

[@tsh2613]

I wish I had a elder brother like you to tell me these awesome stories every night!!!!!

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Me too! 🤪

[@rosetheguineapig4230]

@@KARATEbyJesse hi did you see the comment i posted

[@rosetheguineapig4230]

@@yamiyomizuki is this class a mcdojo or real

[@Steven-nv7ho]

May you find someone like an older brother one day

[@MrChegcelestialslides]

😂That's quite a sweet thing to say! 👍

[@oki1966]

As someone who grew up in Okinawa and excelled more in fighting than pretty moves of Kata during tournaments, Motobu Choki seems like someone I would have loved to learn from. Thank you for generating my interest in Karate again. Things that you learn in KZbin sometimes are a good thing.

[@jshaw3793]

Motobu basically in translation described funakoshi as the first mcdojo 😂

[@rxj0765]

😂 good one!

[@kogaryu5558]

And we all study McKarate.🤷🙆🤭🤣

[@RXLXNTLXSS]

@@kogaryu5558 On truth kata contains all those Lost techniques

[@Purpleninjawv]

The every American in rotc program bought a mcdojo franchise.

[@toms.6310]

@@RXLXNTLXSS Maybe, probably, but it also most likely movement changed over time to look more impressive and lost its original meaning, which makes it hard to reverse engineer it to Kumite. It's like a book that was typed thousands of times and every time few words have changed.

[@descart7285]

Lessons to be learned: 1. Victory of the aggressor is short lived. There is a reason why Funakoshi focused on Kata and character development. 2. Be humble always. You may be the top in your class, but there is always someone stronger and better.

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Well said 👍

[@marceloherzfeld4019]

Una buena enseñanza !!!

[@nikolambert314]

More like - sweet talks, politicking and social connections mean more to people than actual truth :)

[@Greedman456]

​@@nikolambert314exactly

[@JimCunningham-jr7qv]

3. Dont train an art that is not practical

[@lucacasadio3001]

I actually read about Motobu some years ago. I am completely respectful towards him because this was his personal karate-do. He put a lot of effort into improving his personal style even if he's not really appreciated or popular.

[@mohaimenulimam233]

It's a sad story that his style did not get famous.

[@lucacasadio3001]

@@mohaimenulimam233 yes indeed

[@thecybercat4420]

My dojo practices Isshin-Ryu, and our books tell about the history of our founder, Tatsuo Shimabuku. According to the book, the first master he sought out and trained under was Choki Motubu himself. I didn't realize how unknown Motobu-Ryu is today as a whole, but our dojo still prioritizes using different katas as a means to train one's muscle memory, just how he must've taught Shimabuku. Amazing stuff

[@TheSandkastenverbot]

Katas are a maximally inefficient way to train muscle memory and Motobu knew that

[@varanid9]

@@TheSandkastenverbot Yes, most don't realize that Katas come from the Chinese fist sets, or "kuen", of which the main purpose was to imbed the curriculum of a fighting system into the student's nervous system or "muscle memory" in order to preserve its basics, as opposed to the difficult, often counter-intuitive task of writing the methods down for an illiterate society. There were also the fist sets of styles that used them as choreographed fight scenes for Chinese boat operas. Forms training is nothing more than this, or dances to impress audiences.

[@AcceleratingUniverse]

Shimabuku studied under Motobu in his 30s, for 1 year, so no. He had practiced karate for probably 2 decades before he met Motobu.

[@sjd421]

​@@AcceleratingUniverse +1

[@TesseractPleiadesOrion]

​@@TheSandkastenverbotCan you expand on that please? Serious question BTW 👍🏾

[@GODQUIRIDO]

The Motobu style really deserves more exposure, It is such a shame that this Strong and real style got Lost in time :( thanks for the Amazing video (as always) ! As a guy who trained in a Lot of styles and found his home in kyokushin karate, your Channel is gem for me and many others :)

[@WillGGG]

While it may be practical in a fight, The reality is that most people wont join a dojo where they get beat up and bloodied every night. You would spend more time healing from injuries than training

[@BellowDGaming]

YES! I was waiting for this ever since Motobu was mentioned in the video How Boxing Destroyed Karate. Thank you Jesse for continuing his story.

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Glad to hear! 😎

[@kpitman1990]

Even your older videos Jesse bring me joy after all this time. Rewatched this recently because after going on 13 plus years of practicing martial arts, I’ve been feeling the lows of what martial art “politics” have been like. In a way, I would dare to say I feel for Motobu and what frustrations he may have gone through seeing and being part of that process. Thank you so much for educating everyone about the history of karate-do.

[@maxzhao8331]

imagine if motobu had youtube back then. he would be a youtube legend!

[@rickluiten8355]

From all I have been told Motobu Choki was an amazing fighter. Three of my sensei that I have studied with trained under Shimabuku Tatsuo who had Motobu Choki for one of his teachers. While training on Okinawa back in the seventies he was mentioned quite often. I am happy that you are making him and other Okinawan history available to people today.

[@Wessex90]

I’ve read that his son is still alive at the age of 95 and continued teaching his style.

[@williamcarlson9379]

That is by definition awesome!

[@robertwelch3240]

That is correct

[@MrHrKaidoOjamaaVKJV]

Awesome to hear that Motobu Choki's son is still alive teaching his style. I'd like to see this style how it compares to Kyokushinkai.

[@Wessex90]

@@MrHrKaidoOjamaaVKJV I think there are a few videos on KZbin doing Kata. I’ve forgotten his name, but it’s easy enough to find online.

[@robertwelch3240]

@@MrHrKaidoOjamaaVKJV tsunami released a video about 15 years ago. There is also footage of Motobu ryu available on KZbin. It is nothing like Kyokushin. Motobu ryu is Okinawan Shorin ryu karate.

[@donbarracuda546]

Motobu won the battle but lost the war. This story teaches a powerful lesson about character, vision, and wisdom (and what it is to lack them). It is not enough to strive to be the best or prove that you are the best; you also have to learn to be a respectful and well-rounded human being, capable of playing well with others. Great content, by the way. You have one new subscriber!

[@viniciusferreiradeoliveira183]

Totally agree

[@Mlai00]

Or as we Yankees like to say, "It's not what you know, it's who you know."

[@revariox189]

I would still prefer to be lonely and forgotten at the top of what I consider my own best than to bend over backwards to have my name or style associated with posterity. His style is irrelevant, his philosophy of life is GOLD.

[@Nope_writeitlikethat]

There is also such thing as support of the authority. Funakoshi had official support. So don't make up lessons from a story you don't know.

[@Greedman456]

More like how bootlicking snakes with connections prevail to the eyes of the people and how little people actually care for quality over reputation...

[@RamonChiNangWong078]

I wish we all cross hands like they do back then Also If Motobu is alive today, he would have been a real MMA guy

[@nelsonmcatee3721]

Notice Bruce Lee does the same thing in Enter The Dragon.

[@saileshnaidu8102]

Danial and Chozen do it in season 3 ep 5 of Cobra Kai

[@jeronimo196]

Aikido will finally have a chance.

[@PaganMin-1966]

Motobu vs Ip Man will be interesting

[@kendellsmith104]

Lololololol

[@jamesdigeorgia6112]

Sensei Miyazaki was my first karate sensei. His first dojo in NY was in fact in Jackson Heights, Queens. He opened it with a man names Pierce as I remember - one of his black belt sempai. He moved the dojo to flushing after 2 years. I started judo class at Sensei Miyazaki insistence. He didn't want me learning karate until I could fall and could be trusted with attemi waze. He was a wonderful man who spend a lot of time me when I was 6-12. He taught me much more than karate. He taught me to listen and learn. I genuinely held him in the highest regard. His patience seemed to be unlimited when it came time to teach me the first 4 Kata's and basic karate. I moved to Connecticut in the early fall of 1971 and was incredibly lucky to wind up at a judo club that began at Newtown High School in Sandy Hook. Sensei Jerry Kunzman was a Ju Jitsu and Judo Nidan at the time and one of the original USJA clubs. He was a billiant student of Duke Moore 10th Dan from the San Francisco Bay area, and reached the rank of 8th Dan. After 48 years I hold a Yodan in Ju Jitsu, Nidan in Judo and Shodan in Japanese Karate. I've studied with Wally Jay Sr. and Wally Jay Jr., and studied Aikido with several of the greatest Sensei & Professors in the world, including Walter Todd. For years when I traveled on business around the world II used the trips to also teach as a guest instructor and attended (visiting) hundreds of dojos around the world. My knees, back and neck are shit today from being thrown across literally thousands of rooms. I often think back on Sensei Miyazaki, the dojo in Jackson Heights and Flushing and the wonderful judo Sensei and the kind students that all treated me like I was a kid with tremendous potential. I had to be one of the youngest students back then. That early experience and those memories are priceless. I remember sitting on a door step with Sensei Miyazaki one day, I was about 8. He pulled out a coconut and with only his hands by bashing it one time on the pavement in front of us and twisting the shell. For a small man he had hands like jackhammers. He offered me some juice and then broke a piece off for me to chew. It was so good, we just smiled at one another and laughed for a good 5 minutes. Man he was a good, really good person and role model.

[@santhoshgajaraj2113]

Those comics style art was so nice, and also an interesting video as usual, thank you Jesse-san.

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Glad to hear!

[@Muzzie0323]

I was completely mesmerized as you were telling this story. You are a wonderful orator sir, please continue teaching us the history of karate.

[@dunnagan5]

I have trained in Shotokan for 23 years and counting and this truth bomb kinda stings! Even prior to Covid the dojo I train in focused mainly on kata and freestyle sparring was a very rare treat. Now I want to spar with kickboxers and BJJ practitioners because I want to be pressure tested for real and be humbled thoroughly!

[@SeboJ-i9l]

Does shotokan work well

[@minhducnguyen674]

Google: Karate was meant for charater development and forging great human being, not necessarily fighters. Bing:

[@sleepy_Dragon]

Being a good fighter doesn't make someone a good teacher or coach.

[@blockmasterscott]

Very true. I’ve also seen poor fighters that are very good at teaching fighting.

[@jomess7879]

@@blockmasterscott I'm like that. I get my butt kicked quite often, but i able to teach people how to kick butts.

[@pauljohnson6019]

Who's say's they're mutually exclusive? But in Miaygi's case, yep- I would say he was a great teacher, and an invincible martial artist- literally!

[@diablorojo3887]

to be honest all the great martial arts teachers i know are the best fighters also

[@pauljohnson6019]

@@diablorojo3887 Yes, they normally have to had competed at a high level, nationally or internationally, to be able to teach at a high level.

[@Nimno74]

I'd love to see a followup video on this style. Perhaps a visit to a dojo that teaches it, or an interview with someone who has learned it. Anything. It sounds like it deserves all the attention and respect it can get.

[@nelsonmcatee3721]

Mas Oyama also had the same impression of Funakoshi, or rather, his priorities. Oyama's karate emphasized physical conditioning and free style kumite more, and deemphasized kata.

[@kenmurray8476]

So, instead of producing outstanding people, these "practical" styles taught the Japanese to be the most cruel and untrustworthy warriors going into WWII. Great teaching.

[@nelsonmcatee3721]

@@kenmurray8476 karate had nothing to do with the cruelty of Japanese soldiers during WWII. I have no idea how you got that impression 🤔🤷‍♂️. My statement was intended to contrast Funakoshi's martial arts philosophy with Mas Oyoma's. Both senseis were exemplary human beings.

[@yuriboyka6131]

@@kenmurray8476 you must have half a brain there sir.

[@coloradolivingoffgrid6106]

Did you study? If so, what style?

[@mitchjames9350]

@@kenmurray8476 where did you get that from?

[@abennett2783]

In the 70’s, I studied under Dirk Mosig for a short time, Shuri Ryu, USKA, and Motobu was mentioned in the history of that organization. Cool to see this.

[@djl6575]

Regardless of Motobu's or other peoples opinions Shotokan is as effective as any other style what truly makes the difference is the individual applying the technique's and how much he or she believes in what they have been taught. Thanks for interesting story Jesse

[@Dorje17]

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[@32battalion24]

You will like the story of Akio Takahashi, who was considered the most feared fighter in Japan in the 70's. Western Bouncer and wrestler Gary Spiers, Steve Morris and many other have detailed the prowess of this unknown guy. He came from Seiwakai and went off on his own to start Kenwakai, he seemed to have a background in Judo as well.

[@teikarate]

love your videos, which I've just stumbled on over last couple of months. I trained in the 80s up to early 2000s, and love my karate history. I've recently developed a strong urge to get back into training and your videos are really inspirational

[@joedasilva3866]

5:46 that's something I'll never understand 😶 Why can't both be just one, the skills effective for actual fighting also working as a path to develop character and forge a good human being? Can't really see how those things are mutually exclusive... 😶😐

[@CombatSportsNerd]

One word, *ego*

[@zephyrzombie9505]

Very interesting and informative video. I myself am a student of Shudokan which was founded by Toyama Kanken. I enjoy the diversity that the style has and enjoy learning about the history of Karate Do in general from various sources. My aunt herself was raised in Naha and told me of Naha Te, Shuri Te and Tomari Te. I also had the opportunity to be stationed in Tokyo and absolutely loved my time there and even got to visit our dojocho!

[@igorcarvalho2557]

I train Shotokan Karate, and I love it. But I absolutely understand the need for us karateka to look deep beyond the surface, seeking more practicality in our training. In some of the Shotokan Dojos I knew, the focus is competition kumite and competition kata, with little to no attention to bunkai and more self defense oriented kumite. But I guess we have to take the best of what is available to us, and embark ourselves in a journey to deepen our Karate. On the other hand, I think I understand Sensei Funakoshi's vision. Sure, the modernization of Karate brought some problems, but if it weren't for him taking it to mainland Japan (from whence it would later spread worldwide), maybe we wouldn't even know Karate existed. Some would argue modern Karate lacks practicality (in kumite) and bu kai (in kata), but the spiritual take of the art (DO) is unparalleled. Traditional Karate, on the other hand, had an efficient and practical outlook, but some may find it lacking of meaning and purpose. Some people view Motobu Choki as little more than a bully and street brawler, as others view him as one of the greatest fighters in the world. Funakoshi is hated by many as "the guy who sold out" for politics, while others (myself included) are thankful for him bringing Karate to Japan, even if he had to compromise some things to achieve his goal. What I'm trying to say is: regardless of the Style we practice, we must learn from all these great Sensei, for each of them had precious gems to share with us. And, as a great Sensei once said: "what brings us together will always be more important than what sets us apart!" 😉🙏🏻🥋

[@brendantheodore6919]

Beautifully expressed. 😊👍👊💥

[@igorcarvalho2557]

@@brendantheodore6919 thank you my friend!

[@DoomGuy-kf8fv]

Absolutely, I have found that goju ryu tends to help my shotokan kumite. Many shotokan practitioners now do not like to get hit, by forcing myself to get comfortable with it I do not have that issue. I think incorporating as many karate styles as possible into your training is the best way to improve overall.

[@Devo13]

Koei-Kan base system since I was a kid.

[@dontneedtoknow5836]

1 year late. Tool had it right on the first stage. The stage that we learn from the cadence if shadow or secrecy of night, we do "Listen to our muscle memory contemplate what I've been clinging too". Kata is not meant to be performed in a fight. It is q string of 1 and 2 hit maybe 3 hit combos strung together in instinct in the exact moment they are needed. Again we reach stage 2 of meditation. "I'm looking at you through the glass","I'm on the outside I'm looking in","you don't know my mind, you don't know my kind". Our experiences sound crazy to those that don't experience them and pointless to those that do no? However to reach empty mind vs quieting of the mind from kata, or separation of the mind through combat you must seek out the third. I have only found it in tai Kwon do, and this isn't one learned in the same way. It is one that can be induced by a master. I don't know how to or will even pretend to understand it. But seek out empty mind with tkd. It is the master that teaches it. It has to be gifted I guess?

[@alanwisse192]

Awesome history lesson! I'm a Kung Fu Master and I taught my students 99% practical fighting and barely any forms.

[@boereburger6762]

Osu sensei Jesse. You are reviving history, traditions, philosophy and the true hart of Karate, the things that was lost.

[@thebigs7193]

We need someone like Motobu back, to show the real spirit. Now I know what i feel all the the time, practicing Karate, there was a big hole. Something was not finished. I didn't no it but i switched to learn this was not there of the old one. Now i know it was the right way for me. Thank you Jesse

[@thorstenfricke6757]

It is hard to hear this story as a Shotokan Karateka. But we must face the trues. Thanks for bringing this in the light.

[@hirorop5367]

Agree with your comment so very much 🙏❤️

[@gbormann71]

@number six It's still fun, though.

[@MFPRego]

Im a shotokan karateca as well! But the truth is that shotokan is incomplete, like most styles of karate. Stil, its fun to learn and practice ;)

[@yessir2514]

@@Tamales21 I wanna hear it too

[@bqvideo]

Another excellent historical video! If I keep watching these, I will earn a Doctorate in Karate Nerdology.

[@prasadshanbhag1812]

When ever I see the photo of sensi motobu choki , sitting on the chair , looking straight away,I get goose bumps 🔥🔥🔥nice video sensi

[@MrBendylaw]

Look for images of Taika Oyata on Google, there's an old one that does the same to me. You'll know it when you see it. But the créme-de-la-créme is an old photo of Seikichi Uehara in a pose from Naihanchi that shows how shredded those guys were 100 years ago.

[@maurolimaok]

This is, still, the most serious and interesting channel about Karate I've ever found.

[@murilocaruy]

You could do a few videos presenting Choki's style and his descendants

[@bobbyalistor]

Damn this guys is like someone from Baki, travelling and challenging people while beating them at the same time

[@zion6680]

Well Motobe and Motobu is just one letter apart.

[@the813knight3]

Sounds like Goku to me

[@marcodegiovanni3696]

I really think old traditional martial arts master would appreciate MMA more than their own style as practice today... This story (wich I didn't know and I am always impressed about your martial culture) just confirm my earlier though

[@gyulamiklosi8810]

Thanks for the great presentation Jesse! Hope there are still followers of Motobu's practical style.

[@frankcastle8363]

I can imagine the hypothetical fight between Motobu Choki and Mas Oyama.

[@PrinceAkaiVtuber]

Would probably be an all brawl I'd pay to see that

[@ntuthukobrendonbhengu7518]

I swear the world doesn't respect the late great Mas Oyama enough. 🙏🏾🥋😭🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@huntergrant6520]

@@ntuthukobrendonbhengu7518 he was good. But he wasn't as invincible as they claimed. He like a cross between a karateka/strong man/P.T. Barnum.

[@Iloveyounot]

Both have devoted their lives to Martial Arts and I respect both fighters. I'm sure we can agree it would have been a great fight.

[@tofa8967]

Yeah

[@dyonesios]

This video is a gem. I love that you're keeping the history alive.

[@mikesteele9431]

From what I recall about the time with his son, he emphasized that here is no tuite in Motobu style. The royal family did have system of grappling though that preceded judo.

[@thinkordie7292]

I like Motobu Choki's philosophy- practicality and functionality over all. Great work. Salute Enkamp San

[@fourscorpio]

This is one of the best descriptions of Motobu that I've seen, Jesse-san! He definitely should have gotten more credit for his contributions -- I really didn't start learning about him in depth until the early 2000s, coincidentally with the rise of MMA. I think the movement towards practical karate has helped get his name out there more. I loved the part about "crossing hands" -- I believe that is the English translation for "kumite", if I'm not mistaken!

[@edelcorrallira]

Oh Yessss !!! Honestly, all karate masters are very interesting people but he's one of the most interesting of all. Especially if you consider all he uhm considered training hehe His book is incredible, thank you so much for putting the spotlight on this incredible legend of the art

[@wadoryujujutsukempo6289]

i did hear another story about a second meeting that took place after funakoshi was beaten, motobu was with his student, and the student challenged funakoshi to a fight, but ohtsuka (funakoshi's student who was with him at the time), stepped in and threw motobu's student and pinned him (ohtsuka being a menkyo in jujutsu). Motobu was said to like ohtsuka because of his skill, but it is quite a well known wado story.

[@drjimjam1112]

I’ll never forget reading Funakoshi’s book. Excellent peak into the humble mind of a great master.

[@nammeetathirunavukarasu8802]

Probably irrelevant, but the editing is great on this one!

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Thank you! Makes me happy to hear 👍

[@hirorop5367]

His editing is amazing!

[@jc-kj8yc]

That's never irrelevant 😁

[@locoyogui]

That kind of thing is never irrelevant, and even less in something graphic like the exhibition of martial arts; If you take into account that martial arts manuals have always been accompanied by diagrams and representations of techniques, you can see their importance.

[@michaelschaumburg589]

20 + years ago I got into Shudokan , got up to Ni kyu and then things changed. I heard about this long ago. Thanks for sharing this, brings back memories

[@nikhilkopparapu2659]

Fun fact: General Choi Hong Hi (founder of Taekwon Do) studied shotokan karate under Gichin Funakoshi. Living ur content btw

[@diablorojo3887]

and he tried convince Oyama to help hin create the TKW

[@DrAgan_tortojed]

Very, very valuable info! Although being interested in karate for a half century now, I have never heard of Choki before. But, then again, the "official" history (not just the history of karate, but the history in general) is full of disinformation and "gaps" and omissions and is a constant "subject to change".

[@rolandgdean]

I love your history lessons...a lot. Great to see that even the oldest original masters were mixed martial artists. Traveling around and adding other styles and techniques to their own martial arts.

[@trestres236]

Debunks the whole "Bruce lee is the founder of mma"

[@mikenuzzo3323]

Well jiu-jitsu was Japanese which Judo comes from Sports jiu jitsu. And when the Europeans the Dutch 12 tile and started knocking out the Muay Thai fighters so they got a little better with the guard. That separates Burmese boxing from Thai Muay Thai. I imagine at this point the Burmese do Muay Thai being Muay Thai boxing protecting their jaw from boxers

[@bunjiphunter676]

These little snippets of all different types of history is what makes you tube great. Well done young man👍

[@SIMONSK9CLUB]

The cross hand stance reminds of enter the dragon

[@DMF716]

In Isshinryu Karate, that is how I was taught back in the 70's....I used to use that hand position as my launching point, in class fighting. Back then, it was only a groin cup and mouth guard. And war trophies ( bruises , broken fingers and toes was the normal) MOTABU WAS ONE OF Tatsuo Shimabuku's teachers, as was Chojun Miagi

[@peposo7]

"Crossing the bridge" refers to chinese martial arts

[@s.tepper4030]

Thank you! This was fascinating. I studied Shotokan for several years and I will always have the emotional loyalty to my school and style, but it is also so important to learn from all. A Jewish teaching: "Who is wise? One who learns from every person." :)

[@sultanali7148]

Great video sensei. This video teaches us that every karate style is incomplete in some aspects a person can learn real karate only when he desires to learn it without thinking about styles. I learn shotokan karate but still I try to learn from different styles.

[@SherlockDaHolmie]

Thank you so much for this video Jesse. It helped influence my choice of Karate Dojo near me. They are heavily influenced by Motobu's philosophy and style.

[@YoukaiSlayer12]

Thanks for including the social hierarchy & personality aspects of the two. As Gichin never liked sparring/or kumite, like some of the other Okinawan teachers, his son however Gigo was the opposite.

[@julioaranton5223]

My beloved teacher, a 5th Dan in Okinawan Karate Shuri-Te praised Master Motobu as he taught his style of heavy punching & kicking as well as Kata in which he also exhellef. I shall always remember him with Great Love and Respect for he was always strict in discipline but also very kind & patient with all his students plus he was a very humble & quiet gentleman who was wrll-kniwn & respected among his friends in Martisl Arts. Thank you Sensei Melvin Ray Wise. 🙏

[@chriswallace2298]

Thanks, Jesse-San. From you and listening to my sensei a lot this year, I've come to the conclusion that Karate was conceived in China, born in Okinawa, grew up in Japan, and matured as it traveled around the world. Like children growing up, an art like Karate does not often have the right circumstances where it's born or grows up. Sometimes it's an abusive atmosphere with "masters' who have not quite mastered themselves but raising that "child" improves their own character. With great instructors like Kase, Nishiyama, Enoeda, who brought the art to the West, I believe that as it traveled and encountered different cultures it has matured among serious practitioners, therefore outgrowing some of the not-so-productive ways. Perhaps the more seasoned, karate mature rich in heritage yet refined by its practice around the globe can return home not as a prodigal but as a prodigy of what it was intended to be from the beginning. Agree or disagree?

[@washingtonpiccardo4531]

Desde Uruguay ,Sud América, felicitaciones por su dedicación a la difusión del karate do y las artes marciales. Abrazo gde !!!! Exelente

[@menc73]

Also known as "Motobu no saru", Motobu the monkey, because of his grip straight and agility. But in regards to this story being true I just don't know, Motobu and Funakoshi apear in photo together, so it seems they wore polite to one another at least.

[@maxgoldfield7790]

grip strength*

[@maxgoldfield7790]

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[@saileshnaidu8102]

It's probably fighters' mutual respect.

[@tkgawa]

Loved watching this video and found myself agreeing with Choki's kumite first philosophy. It rang true to how I practiced karate when I was a teenager at the Virginia Martial Arts Center with kumite being taught fairly early on. I recalled the style as Motobu-ha Shito-ryu and did a bit of research. I was happy to find that, the style's founder, Kokuba Kosei was a student of Choki's and integrated his karate to make what I studied. I likely owe a lot philosophically to a person I am only now learning about, which spurred an interest in wrestling, penchak silat, and soon Balintawak escrima.

[@jimducroiset1628]

Thank you so much for this. I have been trying to shift some of my teaching to practical fight technique first and then see where and how kata fits in...its a very slow process and its easy to come off as disrespectful...which I try not too. This type of material really goes a long way to letting others see where and how all of these things can live in harmony with each other! I have made it a practice to show and recommend your videos so my students and instructors can learn more and possibly even question assumptions...Hmmm...

[@ALHat22]

Also, a lot of people don’t understand that the philosophy of Japan as a society was changing. Japan wanted to move away from their “warlike nature” and this greatly impacted Japanese martial arts. It would have made this man a bit of an outcast because of his focus on using skills in “fighting” in Karate. Same is true for Judo and Jujitsu in Japan, the ideas are still there but some aspects were surely lost during Japan’s philosophical and social politic shifts.

[@juancarlos3350459]

Great, I wanted you to explain this part of the Mobuto choki story. Thank you

[@donaldschmidt2990]

Clearly Motobu was the Bruce Lee of his era. Or perhaps Bruce Lee was the Motobu of modern Karate. As Miyagi says to Daniel in The Karate Kid, "Somebody always know more." Motobu's style was more practical. Teaching a student to adapt to an opponent rather than just basic movements. Just as in the modern world, everything is based on marketing. Even though Motobu kicked the crap out of his rival, his adversary was better promoted. It was a clear case of perception over reality. The reality clearly was Motobu was the best of his time. Perhaps of any time.

[@andrewvecchio1577]

Loved this and enjoyed learning what went down between Motobu and Funakoshi! Thank you Jesse San for creating this :D

[@rohirrim6055]

Jessie, 💪🏻 you did a great thing, with conceptual honesty, the researcher's own rigor and the courage of the pure.🙏🏻 A hug from Florence. Gianluca

[@chrisskywalker6079]

Well at the end, is not how good you are man, but how much people can get from you.

[@TroyNaumu808]

Excellent video. My late father would have enjoyed your videos. Dad told me a simular story.

[@geoffreysables4885]

Jesse, you mention "politics" right at the end of the video. I would love for you to do a video on the rise and fall of the big karate organizations from the 1960's onwards

[@KARATEbyJesse]

If I didn’t dislike politics so much I would 🤪

[@geoffreysables4885]

@@KARATEbyJesse It’s something the Karate Nerd Community wants and needs!

[@saileshnaidu8102]

If we're talking about practicality, I'd say Kyokushin karate is one of the best styles for it. This style was basically formed with a goal of clearly knocking out your opponent if u are forced to fight. But it is also taught that we should not throw the first punch until ABSOLUTELY needed. Physical conditioning (they're built like bricks) is one of the biggest factors in Kyokushin along with getting in close and going for the knockout at every chance they get. Proper training for Kyokushin is absolutely gruesome, but the results and effect on u will blow ur mind

[@luvlife2786]

I'm amazed at how much info you have on karate. I feel like I'm in karate class101. It's fun to watch your videos and I look forward to them.Keep up the good work.

[@timblaylark5605]

Sensei Jesse thank you for this, it inspires me. As the my city has become more violent I've switched gears and become more self protection focused. This puts the kata second, now I have clear ideas and can avoid pitfalls.

[@IronMartialArts]

Motobu was a straight up savage.

[@NB-xq4qt]

First saw your stuff and thought just another karate guy saying how great karate is, but recent videos seriously impressed at how you debunk some of the holy cows of karate. Fact you challenge the myths of karate with clear, and concise history of its development since leaving Okinawa so refreshing.

[@sensei68]

Perfect timing. I recently read the book Karate, my skill and art. Domo Arigato Gozaimasu

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Fantastic! 💪

[@sweyn8054]

The main reason I moved away from traditional martial arts was the amount of things learned that are largely ineffective. Take what works, throw out what doesn't, and evolve. I've always been short and started martial arts with the goal of defending myself and just don't understand ppl studying martial arts for any other reason. The one thing I do wish was part of mma, boxing, and other combat sports is the self discipline, humility, and respect. Too many cocky, arrogant, and disrespectful fighters out there now. When I was still in traditional martial arts I was told by my instructors, I took several different styles, was that if they hear I'm fighting for any other reason than I couldn't physically walk away I'd be kicked out of the gym. Great vid as always. Very informative. I had heard of Motobu but didn't know the in depth story. So thank you again for an awesome history lesson

[@angelosmortis3081]

Still a big respect for both shihans , they both give something and influenced karate of today even with different styles... Thank you for this educational video sensei osu...

[@01sansara]

I knew it about Motobu. My teacher of karate told me it. It is 5 years ago

[@laperrablanca1]

After our training session yesterday - no contact at all because of covid 19 llimitations - I was trying some bunkai of Bassai (dai) with my daughter - the only available and legal sparring partner I have now. We noticed that a certain technique - the third and fourth moves from the start - is not working against a realistic "street" punches attack. Then, I added a roll and slip from boxing ... and it worked very well! So, regardless if the story of the fight between Motubu and Funakoshi is true or not, indeed, Shotokan had put the focus too much in the "form" of kata rather than the function and purpose of it, making the kata too stiff and impractical.

[@MkZuO12345]

You need the form to be able to apply it practically. Kata teaches you the movements, timing, technique and muscle memory (how to throw a punch or a block correctly). Those are fundamentals that are needed. The more you understand the basics, the more you can modify them, adapt. I do think there's a misconception because shotokan is the most popular there's many young kids practicing it or some older people (that treat that as a way to keep healthy and don't really plan on using it) it's viewed as "non-martial". I myself participated in many seminars with great senseis (even with sensei Nishiyama once) and they always put much importance on practicality, and in their demonstrations their techniques, stances, movements were much more natural than "formal".

[@piotrd.4850]

@@MkZuO12345 That was basically explanation of my instructor. You don't practice katas for katas - but framents, sequences of block and counterstrike to become instinct, 2nd nature, as there'll be little to time to plan.

[@arnoldzilban8274]

You told a great story...one absolutely needed to be exposed in the history of Karate. Thank you.

[@triau7166]

Thank you, Jesse Sensei, awesome story !!

[@davidhanna8029]

Sensei, as someone who reveres Gichin Funakoshi, I had to watch this confronting but educative video twice before I realised you were delivering Motobu's warped perspective on Funakoshi's teaching. As you rightly say, Funakoshi was focused on Karate as a means of character development not street fighting. I recall very clearly how a previously troubled teenager told me that one of Funakoshi's illustrative stories from "Karate-Do: My Way of Life" had helped him resolve a problem without fighting. By contrast, Motobu may have believed he had 'nothing left to prove', but his attitude and behaviour suggest that he had plenty more to learn.

[@stuart5811]

What was the original purpose of karate? It was a killing art not a way to enlightenment.

[@dustina69]

Martial arts are for fighting. That’s it. Motubu is the better martial artist.

[@aidanmurray8283]

What an incredibly well put together video! I’d love more of these types of videos talking about these masters and their journeys

[@seechunchong9876]

Hi Jesse, thanks for the story. An interesting fun fact, Motobu's book title has these 2 words 唐手, the same 2 words as in Tang Soo Do" (당수도) is the Korean pronunciation of the Hanja 唐手道 (pronounced Táng shǒu dào in Chinese), and translates literally to "The Way of the Tang Hand." In the old days, Chinese people refer to themselves as Tang people before now officially relabeled as Han. Many overseas Chinese still themselves Tang instead of Han (Tang dynasty being one of the greatest and most influential dynasty in its history). There you go. The proof for your quest regarding the Chinese link/roots to Karate. If Motobu is still alive today, you can go and asked him if there is any link/roots between the great martial arts, Chinese, Okinawan, Japanese, Korean etc. and the stories about cross regional influence in the old days. Cheers.

[@devildog6776]

I love your lessons, thank you for sharing this knowledge with us, I regret that while a Marine, I spend a year in Okinawa, and I didn't take advantage of it.

[@chrislee7538]

Got to say, I just found your channel and you are reviving my love for martial arts.

[@donalmacthomais7584]

Jesse, this was a great story to hear. Always a learning experience every time I watch your videos.

[@Ratva666]

He is the man who first invented the forearm strike. The man who said to Funakoshi for his Shotokan karate is "An imitation of karate." My favorite karateka.

[@victornishida2334]

According with Motobu Choki documents,when he lose a fight against his brother the people who watch the battle call him rag doll.So maybe Choyu knows judo and aikido arts.

[@peterkhew7414]

Choyu knows Udundi, which is an Okinawan martial art which is restricted to the nobles of the Motobu family. Choki most likely didn't learnt the art, or abandoned it for Okinawan karate.

[@jucyrbacusmo1763]

I still remember my sensei cris during my okinawa shurin ryu karate😢❤ i wonder how's he doing right now it has been 24years im 38 now. i learned a lot of his teaching specially self decipline. i was only 14yrs old i walk more than 10km everyday just reach my sensei's gym i even cant afford monthly fee to pay for known karate school that is why if i have 20pesos as payment for his time but he wont accept my money😢 and im proud to say i am hes only student he was a security guard but still teach me while hes working and i swear to GOD in tearms of martial arts hes good. i miss him, hope that one i would meet him again so that i can say thank you. this video makes me remember the sound of the punching bag the solem place that we used to meditate those echo sound from our kicks the warm feeling of sweat going down from my head dropping to the ground😢 "one punch one kill