Jessem verse Hongdui Remix

[@SpartanORGN]

Thank you for the video, honestly these stock guides are a pretty important safety feature. The reality is that Jessem's price is so high that it prices out hobbiest woodworkers from owning such an important safety tool. Many of us use Jobsite table saws and the Jessem guides cost more than I paid for my saw new.

[@ShopRamblings]

Great point! They are definitely more than I paid for my first table saw. I got them after almost losing two fingers. If they bad been more affordable, I may have gotten them sooner.

[@fugixi]

Also, sounds to me that, just like they usually do, that Hongdui actually improved on the design.

[@SpartanORGN]

@@fugixii did end up buying the hongdui ones. They work great, but 2 complaints. 1. The screw that holds the arm on gets loose really easily, so I had to get thread locker to keep it tight. 2. The mounting track comes in 2 pieces instead of 1, and I didn't get them perfectly lined up, so they are tough to slide between the tracks. Although this one is my fault, and it's easily fixable if I wasn't lazy. Otherwise the bearings work really well, and as long as that screw doesn't loosen, the hold is great.

[@fugixi]

@@SpartanORGN Awesome thank you for that info. Unfortunately I did notice that it will not fit, at least not without modifications, a DeWalt job site table saw, which is what I have. 😒

[@SpartanORGN]

@@fugixii did buy mine for my Skil table saw originally. I stacked some pieces of MDF and cut them to size so they would slide into the fence. That worked well. But I sold that saw and got an old powermatic that had a vega fence.

[@kfairhurst1]

Just leaving my two cents, since a lot of people are ragging on Jessem's customer service. The only time i had to call them, they were great. Promptly mailed me replacement hardware after a few simple troubleshooting questions.

[@ShopRamblings]

That is the way it should be. They make a good product, and I think, for the most part, all Jessem tools are good. I just can't afford to pay 50% more for a tool that is not as good.

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

I have a number of Hongdui tools, the machining is perfect, the functionality is amazing, being from Australia any USA made tools are prohibitively expensive, so I am happy to purchase the Hongdui as IMO the functionality and quality are on par with the best manufacturers out there at half the price.

[@ShopRamblings]

It doesn't matter where they are made. Every country has high-quality manufacturers and low quality manufacturers. Houndui is definitely a quality manufacturer.

[@spizzlo]

@@ShopRamblings this is such a true statement. I have seen enough high quality Chinese made products now that I get a little irritated when people talk about a garbage product as "made in China". If a garbage product is made in China it's because the company selling that product wants it made cheap. China will make products as low quality or as high quality as you want. It's companies that want products made cheap because consumers want cheap products.

[@tomklar9584]

I'm in Australia. I have the hongdui because the jessem was crazy expensive over here. They are great. Also check out hongdui miter gauge and fence. Even better than the Harvey imo

[@ShopRamblings]

I have them, and they are great. I got in the Hongdui router plane and the chisel hammer. I hope them get them checked out today. Hungdui tools are the highest quality tools I have found so far.

[@jonkelly4182]

Thank you for an awesome video I like your style and will continue watching more of your videos right now, I checked out your link and those are on sale for $146.99 for black Friday I think I’m gonna pick them up. Thank you.

[@ShopRamblings]

I am sure you will be amazed by them.

[@nlkatz]

Excellent review, you hit all of the technical details that I was wondering about. Do you think these are usable with a 5" tall fence (I'd like to use these with the Bow Xtender)? Thanks

[@ShopRamblings]

I am up visiting my daughter for Thanksgiving. If you email me next week, I will check to make sure. From what I remember, they will.

[@nlkatz]

@@ShopRamblings I don't see you're email, but I 'll just ping you again here; thanks!

[@ShopRamblings]

@nlkatz [e-mail]

[@markhopkins7204]

I, on the other hand, have had numerous email & Phone contacts with Jessem regarding product inquiries in the past several months. They suffer the same "long wait times" as any company who enjoy good sales due to high quality products. The similarities are difficult to ignore with theses stock guides except for minor differences, which, IMO indicates an infringement. It only matters if you feel your patronizing the "pirated" version is unfair. I budget my $s spent based off need and applicable use, but I also try to buy domestic if possible. I also try to support independent vendors when possible..I will not patronize Bangood or Temu because of the aforementioned reasons!

[@ShopRamblings]

I have had the opposite from Jessem. I have purchased several of their products in the pass. I emailed them and could not get a responds. I called and talked with a CSR. I asked to speak with someone who might know about these. He said I couldn't. I left all my contact info with him and never got a call back or email. When Jessem left a comment I replied with my contact info asking them to contact me. That was 3 months ago and they never did. I have 6 different drills. All different brands but all basically the same thing. I don't know why 2 companies can make the same of one tool and not another. These are the same "tool" but every piece was different. I am not a patient lawyer that is why I wanted to get some more info. Chervon and TTi own almost all major power tool brands. Both have their tools made in China. It is a sad fact but the average person couldn't put together a tool box, much less a shop without tools from China.

[@DanielLeavittAttorneyatLaw]

@@ShopRamblings you aren't going to get a response from a company that could be contemplating litigation or in the early stages of litigation... for that matter, even in the absence of litigation why would jessem talk about a competitor's product? I don't think you would get dewalt to comment on ryobi etc but maybe they would... but definitely not when there is potential litigation

[@ShopRamblings]

@DanielLeavittAttorneyatLaw I am definitely not an attorney, but Hongdui is a reputable company. They make tools for other reputable companies. I know Katz Moses did a lot of research when deciding who to manufacture tools for his brand. I am just not going to assume they are stealing intellectual property because they make a safety device that is similar to another. There are many tools that are similar to other ones but made by different companies. This is not a cheap copy. This is a better designed higher quality tool that is used for the same purpose. The fact is I was going to buy the Jessem ones, but they raised their price again. This was just too much for me, so I was going to do without until I found these. After using both, if they were the same price, I would pick the Hongdui over Jessem. At $100 cheaper, there is no decision to make. If they are making a stolen version, that would be the only reason I wouldn't buy them.

[@spizzlo]

@markhopkins7204 idk if your excusing jessums customer service because they are successful and make a good product, but that is their one advantage over this competitor. And it's one that some people willingly pay extra for. Excellent customer service, warranty, etc would keep some people buying the jessums over the other ones. Not all customers, but some. If you're competing with a Chinese company, and in this case they make your product better than you do, you had better have the best and fastest customer service possible.

[@gerardfallon9204]

I had trouble with the cost of the Canadian version and bought the China product also. For me it comes down to shop safety fitting them on an older Unisaw

[@ShopRamblings]

I had a board catch and pulled my hand into my table saw. I may not have feeling in two of my fingers, but I do still have them. I bought my first set of Jesems right after. They help with safety but do get in the way of the push block sometimes.

[@coincollector315]

Me too!! I am very impressed with this product

[@kevinharris6725]

So glad to see this I was just looking at both of them!! Great job in the comparison!

[@ShopRamblings]

Thanks

[@JamesChasingSunrises]

Your last sentence says it all... Why pay almost double for a product that performs less. Let them work out their patent issues.

[@ShopRamblings]

I was going to buy a router lift and these guides from Jessem. While waiting for an email response, they raised the price. I was able to get these guides and an O'skool motorized lift for about the same price. I think both are better, so I am glad they blew me off.

[@JamesChasingSunrises]

@@ShopRamblings I hope you do a review of the O'skool motorized lift.

[@ShopRamblings]

​@jameswilliams4775 here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqfXnKOGm5icn5osi=kwOsM3hyt_Qv0Rcd

[@GizmosShop]

So, it could be that they had someone else make it and it is a relabeled product…. Thus no one would want to admit that they farmed it out

[@ShopRamblings]

Once I got them side by side, I could tell they were not the same. The Hongdui was better in also every way.

[@jsmanson100]

If you are looking at the Bow fence for your table saw, the extra inch or so of length you get with the Hanglui option will make a big difference to how they perform….

[@ShopRamblings]

Good to know.

[@VerticalRaiseNJ]

Do the holes for the mounting bars that secure the stock guides to the track line up on both the Jessem and the Hongdui? I ask because I have a VSC tools fence and the Hongdui stock guides. VSC tools sells a hardware kit that adapts the jessem guides to their fence. Would love to know if it would work with the Hongdui set

[@ShopRamblings]

The bars are slightly different. I tried putting the Hungdui on the Jessem bars, and they would not work. I can't remember exactly what was different, but I remember that it did not.

[@VerticalRaiseNJ]

@@ShopRamblings thanks for the quick reply! But darn

[@budekins7779]

Hongdui have taken an idea and done it better. That's how progress is made. Somebody invents a steam engine, an internal combustion engine, a toaster, whatever, somebody else comes along and builds a better one. It was ever thus. In this case the guides are a safety feature and should be open source. I believe Saw Stop have done this with their technology, at least outside the US.

[@ShopRamblings]

Agreed

[@bobwalters7414]

By taken you really mean “stolen” but yea I get it. 😂

[@stevem268]

i will never buy a cheaper knockoff product of any kind. if we all do, companies like jessem will cease to exist. i visited jessem's factory in new brunswick canada and they do indeed make every part of all of their tools. awesome people, awesome tools

[@ShopRamblings]

I agree they make quality tools. I have some, and they were the first place I went when I needed some more. I am not sure what happened with me. Others say they have good customer service. I reached out multiple times, and they never contacted me back. Afar as knock off. I don't know what a knock-off is. Almost every product in the world is made by more than one company. Due to their poor customer service to me, I did not make my purchase. Then I found a similar but better product. So I am glad they raised their price and would not respond to me. It saved me a lot of money.

[@intiazchowdhury9885]

Thank you for the video, I did get the hongdui. Its been a few months using it. Recently I noticed the O rings lost its grippyness. How has it held up for you.

[@ShopRamblings]

Mine are still good as new. Did they get anything on them? I mainly use mine when cutting plywood and I only use Hardwood Plywood. I don't know if that could make a difference.

[@coincollector315]

You can but new rubber from JessEm. they are about 12 bucks. However, their shipping is ridiculous.

[@bobwalters7414]

@@coincollector315hilarious, so the rubber rollers are crap on the one made by a 13 year old for 50 cents a day and you tell someone to buy the original roller rubber.

[@TubeDaLube]

I have these and i agree that the quality is great,i have several Hongdui tools and that goes for them all.BUT it should be clear that these are ment ONLY for left tilting saws.I have a right tilting saw and they work great when i do straight cuts,but angled cuts is not safe with these mounted.To bad it is not possible to change the rollers to work for both left and right tilting saws.

[@ShopRamblings]

I agree.

[@TimberDesigns]

Great videos, keep them coming!

[@ShopRamblings]

I am getting ready to do some more project videos. I hope you enjoy those also.

[@TimberDesigns]

I will be tuning in for sure! I also have a KZbin channel for woodworking 😁

[@ShopRamblings]

I look forward to checking your channel out.

[@daviddufon8268]

Where can I buy these and not get ripped off! Amazon says they are out of stock.

[@ShopRamblings]

This is where I bought mine. www.banggood.com/custlink/DmvZPCRFbO

[@sixpotshot]

I think we have got the right to expect and get excellent service from our companies and suppliers - shame that many times it doesn't happen. But our companies and suppliers have got the right to expect us to not support day light property theft (and this goes well beyond this: a feisty fight for planet dominance by ...)- so difficult to do when comes down to our pockets. We are both guilty and little by little we are all doing ourselves a massive disfavour: we will all end up losing...buyers, makers and suppliers and our countries. The more we buy fully western made tools and machines the better

[@ShopRamblings]

Agreed

[@Obtuse94]

This review was extremely helpful!

[@ShopRamblings]

Glad it was helpful!

[@quadcamera]

Off topic, but which router plate inserts are those on your JessEm Rout R Lift ?

[@ShopRamblings]

Those are some 3d printed ones. It gives more air flow for the dust collection.

[@quadcamera]

@@ShopRamblings just what I'm looking for. I'll see if i can find the files online and print them or are they your own design?

[@Obtuse94]

Yeah same here, can you share where the .stl or printables, etc link?

[@ShopRamblings]

www.printables.com/model/449857-downdraft-router-inserts-for-jessem-router-lifts

[@quadcamera]

@@ShopRamblings Those are the same ones I found and they are a perfect fit. I'm about to upload a "blank insert" remix of that file. It's perfect for keeping things from falling into your router when not in use.

[@anthonypalazzolo6181]

Thanks for the info i really wanted to know the difference between those 👍

[@ShopRamblings]

It is not often the better product is the cheaper product. If you get one, let me know what you think.

[@patrickkeeley2675]

Why would Jessem talk to you about a legal matter? I appreciate your thorough review.

[@ShopRamblings]

I have finally talked with someone who knows about patents. I was told this was not IP theft and that it does not violate patents. They told me that if it was brought to court, this would be a great video for Hongdui to use.

[@DennisMathias]

That's all I need to know.

[@ShopRamblings]

I shot the original video in October. My rant in the beginning was shot yesterday. You can see which ones I am still using. I have since bought 4 Hongdui products. The quality has been impressive on each one.

[@michaelhaywood3106]

Buying a knock-off will never happen in my house. I’m not into ripping off my neighbours

[@ShopRamblings]

It is not a knock off. It is an improvment.

[@dave_ecclectic]

So, actually there is no comparison. I get all the peoples comments on Jessums high price but the bottom line is they are the ones with the patent and hong do shouldn't be sold here and maybe in many other countries as well. We shouldn't be having a choice.

[@ShopRamblings]

If you say so, I don't know if that is true. I have a lot of different brands of the same style tools. I noticed the other day in a Katz Mosses video that he was using the Hongdui guides. He is big on supporting America small businesses. He has designed and patented many tools. If what you are saying is true, I would not have thought he would be using a knock-off, much less filming it to show the world. That is why I called and emailed Jessem. If these really are violating their patients, why would Jessem not say they were.

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@ShopRamblings I don't know that why I figure to leave it to the companies. If there is a patent violation it is up to them to pursue it. It isn't like this idea is actually new or for that matter theirs. it most likely appeared in some wood working magazine in the last century as a DIY jig. As for whether or not they are knock offs...when a product not only looks the same but weighs the same you can be pretty confident it is a copy. If you want to check for yourself, see if the parts are interchangeable. one made in metric the other imperial.

[@Benmeglei1]

Jessem has been really bad lately. I’m trying to ask them a question about a router package and they don’t accept written questions on their website. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ShopRamblings]

It is a shame. They were a great family owned company. I guess they are too big to be bothered with customer questions.

[@ericchase5421]

Sure sounds like they have any patent protection at all. $10,000 isn’t even an attempt to defend a patent. Do they have any international patents? Why don’t they list them? Seems like they are non-competitive manufactures. Maybe they should merge with a company with more robust legal representation.

[@ShopRamblings]

I don't know and if they don't want to tell me that is one them. I know Hongdui works with some very reputable people like Katz Moses. You don't put out quality products like they are if you are a shady company. I am just putting out what I found and I am trying to be as honest as I can. Then people can make the decision for their self. For me I decided to get a better quality tool at a cheaper price from a company that will return my email. I have since bought several Hongdui products and will buy more as I can afford them.

[@nomecognome5026]

I Cinesi commercialmente non sono corretti . Un'azienda investe in capitale umano e risorse . Copiare è facile - realizzare - pensare un prodotto diventa difficile . Avete idea dei costi che ha un'azienda ? Personale - tasse - fitti da pagare - finanziamenti - tassa sui rifiuti - e chi piu' ne ha piu' ne metta . Ritengo che you tuber seri non dovrebbero proprio pubblicizzare i prodotti CINESI ( Parlo di prodotti copia ) . Vedi il caso delle aziende Microjig - Woodpekers e altre ancora . Ogni giorno perdono fatturato - perdono utili - ma i costi restano sempre gli stessi . Secondo voi quando un'azienda perde il fatturato cosa fa ? Semplice - licenzia il personale . Se una nazione perde posti di lavoro - si crea molta poverta . Per cui sono sempre del parere che non bisogna acquistare prodotti CINESI COPIATI .

[@ShopRamblings]

I owned a company for 13 years. A foreign company bought several of the larger chains. They then started doing work at a loss. They had done the same in other countries. Insurance companies would then want all companies to match their price, running smaller shops out of business. Once they had most of the market, they then could raise the price. So yes, I know the effects of the way some foreign companies do business. Almost everything can be purchased in several different brands. This is not a counterfeit item it is a different brand. Had Jessem responded to me, I would have purchased from them. This is not a counterfeit. It is a completely different tool that works better at a lower price with better customer service for me. It is an easy choice.

[@SteveB-i1j]

I have found Jessem customer service to be excellent. I am going to spend the extra $90 as woodcraft has the Jessem on sale for $250. Also nice not to buy from Godless communists eh.

[@ShopRamblings]

I was going to buy another set for around that price, and then they raised it to over $300. If they hadn't raised the price, I would not have found these. Jessem makes great tools.

[@stevesiefken6432]

Jessem customer service is the worst on the planet!🙄😡 I’ll NEVER buy from them again.

[@ShopRamblings]

I don't want to say never as they make some good products, but I probably won't either.

[@stevesiefken6432]

@@ShopRamblings I totally respect your thoughts on that. Jessem makes good stuff, there’s no doubt about that and as long as you don’t need their customer (lack of) service it’s fine.

[@bobwalters7414]

Trying to figure out this terrible customer service when I just talked to them last week and got responses back within the hour. Oh well, whatever makes you feel better about buying a ripped off item. Kinda like the person who buys a fake Rolex.

[@ShopRamblings]

@bobwalters7414 I am glad you got good service. I still have never gotten any response other than the one comment. I am just stating the facts of my experience.

[@rickkinney1249]

look at it this way----you feed, clothe, and house a N. American family----OR you feed, clothe, and house an Asian family------SPECIAL NOTE knock offs are generally less expensive because the engineering is already done and the worker is earning MUCH, MUCH, MUCH less!!!!

[@ShopRamblings]

I drove to work in a Dodge truck. Is that a knock-off of a Ford? I don't know what constitutes a knockoff. Getting a higher quality tool at almost half the price helps feed, cloth, and house a US family, mine.

[@tomklar9584]

We're all people of the world. Why should an Asian family be worth less? This is just capitalism at its finest. The American dream

[@ShopRamblings]

I agree. Everyone wants to scream about equality. I rate tools on the quality of the tool for the price. Then I get tons on comments about who made it. That doesn't change either​@tomklar9584

[@anthonypalazzolo6181]

Well it's about feeding yourself not about getting advantage for there own benefits

[@bobwalters7414]

@@tomklar9584that’s awesome, guess you’d be ok if you invented something that took you years of research and development only to let someone rip you off and charge a fraction of the price because they pay their workers 50 cents a day. 👍🏻👍🏻