Jesus & John Wayne with Kristen Du Mez | God is Grey

NYT best selling author Kristen Du Mez talks about her groundbreaking book Jesus and John Wayne and the hyper "masculinity" promoted among Christians. How on earth did our nation move from Jesus to Trump? #progressive #GodisGrey
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[@user-kd9mm5gh8d]

Hello Brenda, have not seen new content from you in a while. Hope everything is okay and that the inactivity is just because you're taking a break and enjoying time with your son/ living your best life. If not, know I am praying you are okay. Love, a fellow believer in God's gr(ey)ce

[@mattalley4330]

The next video she made seems to imply that she will not be making videos anymore. I hope she does but thats her prerogative I guess. Edit- I have learned fairly recently that she was canceled. Apparently she did a photo shoot with a number of other women who were dressed in a way that more conservative Christian would say is immodest. Basically a “forget your skewed views on modesty” message, and more power to her for that. Someone noticed there weren’t any plus sized women in the shoot. I’m not exactly clear what happened next. Was there criticisms against and a clap back by her? Not sure, but she is clearly not putting out new content.

[@heyitsme881]

@@mattalley4330lol no. She was canceled by the woke crowd because the photo shoot wasn’t “Inclusive” enough 😂. The Christian community doesn’t care what she does because she’s not a Christian.

[@bribby]

we miss you!! does anyone know where she is? :(

[@stregalilith]

While I’m looking I’m reading her book “On Her Knees” to at least keep in touch with her. Also I’m going often to the KZbin channel of Sheila Wray Gregoire, Bare Marriage.

[@trevorfrayne6418]

I listened to this episode on Spotify. Amazing episode. So I'm a straight male but I always felt uncomfortable with a Men's bible study. It was pretty much being told this is how a man is supposed to be. And the description didn't fit all the men in the Bible including Jesus. In the spectrum of masculine and feminine traits, I lie roughly in the middle and pretty much have always been there. So this was a good episode to confirm that I just need to be concerned with how God designed me. It also helps me to realize how far off some of the teaching I was exposed to that made me feel something was wrong with me.

[@BendySendy]

I came here and was going to post, but yours nailed exactly what I was going to say

[@trevorfrayne6418]

@@BendySendy You're welcome

[@oscarbenigsen4538]

*YOU SAID: "And the description didn't fit all the men in the Bible including Jesus. In the spectrum of masculine and feminine traits, I lie roughly in the middle and pretty much have always been there."* My men's Bible study reflects Jesus quite well. I don't even care about how masculine or feminine I am. How does one even measure such nonsense? I am a guy. And I know that girls are not. In many ways women are nothing like guys - not physically, and not emotionally. I like guy things, and am not ashamed of it. I am not sure if there are girl things that I like, but there easily could be. I just do what I like to do. Is cooking a girl thing? Well then I like that girl thing. I simply don't think as you do on this stuff. There is nothing wrong with men getting together as men. Jesus was a man. His Twelve Apostles were all men.

[@Sarahizahhsum]

​@@oscarbenigsen4538 thats not what he was saying. You misunderstood his point. He was saying that how he is was not accepted by his Bible study group.

[@oscarbenigsen4538]

@@Sarahizahhsum *YOU SAID:* _"thats not what he was saying. You misunderstood his point. He was saying that how he is was not accepted by his Bible study group."_ No. That is not what he said. He said that he "always felt uncomfortable with a Men's bible study" because it generally consisted of "being told this is how a man is supposed to be," and that what they were teaching "didn't fit all the men in the Bible including Jesus." My response was to declare that the OP's experience is not necessarily emblematic of "a Men's Bible study", and that my own men's Bible study reflected Jesus quite well. The OP even claimed that in the spectrum of masculine and feminine traits, he lies "roughly in the middle and pretty much" has always been there. When I hear such nonsense (i.e. I can't sense this, and neither can you), I seek to learn its basis. By what objective means does he measure the positions on this alleged "spectrum of masculine and feminine traits?" My experience has been that when people present such subjective determinations as if they are objective, they tend to lack the self-awareness and introspection needed to accurately judge their social environments. I think that such people, as we see here in the OP, tend to blame those around them for what likely are their own social defects and inadequacies.

[@MountainPearls]

As an Agnostic Episcopalian (don’t ask…that’s the term I’m currently using and there are quite a few of us out there) …I was so upset to see what Trump did to that beautiful church. I went there once and sat right where Lincoln sat before-and after-signing the Emancipation Proclamation. Or the pew he always sat in anyways, it broke my heart that he used tear gas on peaceful people that were already clearing out on that church. They have a service for every President-including him…and he did that to that place. It hurt…not like I’m sure many hurt protesting George Floyd-but hurt nonetheless. The Irony was staggering, too.

[@pianoplayer2260]

You are proof that most churches are social clubs

[@jessieswims115]

Two of my favorite authors/speakers TOGETHER!? Best day ever!! I've been a huge fan of Dr. DuMez since she came and spoke at my university.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

I’m so jealous you got to see her. I just put her book on my wish list 😄

[@Sarah-re7cg]

“Death rattle of patriarchy” solid band name

[@ithoughtiwouldbeunderstood7050]

amazing and thoughtful provoking episode i will definitely have to get the book and rewatch this as well!

[@lindabmusiclessons1]

I’m really glad to see the two of you together. Thank you!!!!

[@Savage777]

We need new content! ❤

[@Sandoler]

This book has been sitting on my shelf for over a year and I will be picking it up tonight to read it.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

Woof, that book title is magnificent and damning. I love it.

[@bekahgwen4984]

Miss you, Brenda. 🤍

[@Bex-sj7oj]

Do you know why she isn't posting any more? It feels like she just dropped off the face of the planet

[@lukasderlokomotivfuhrer7657]

@@Bex-sj7oj rightly so.

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

@@lukasderlokomotivfuhrer7657 Oh, you're one of those wokescolds who have a problem with her supposed 'lack of diversity' in her Instagram photo!! Well, wokescold, why don't you go get lost already?!

[@user-kd9mm5gh8d]

@@Bex-sj7oj I don't know why she isn't active, but I'm hoping it's because she just wants more time with her family or something good :'(

[@stregalilith]

Great show, wonderful discussion ❤❤❤one vision of a good Christian man though not the only one was Fred Rogers, the “Mr. Rogers” who bravely ministered to children and their parents on TV. Another is Jimmy Carter.

[@martinscott7006]

Hey, does anyone know what happened to Brenda? She's been away quite a while. Did she stop producing for her channel?

[@Bex-sj7oj]

That's what I've been wondering....

[@martinscott7006]

@@Bex-sj7oj I just hope her being "cancelled" didn't drive her away from KZbin and podcasting for good..

[@Bex-sj7oj]

@@martinscott7006 I'm kinda surprised more people aren't talking about how radio silent she's been... it's been months

[@neriah9969]

I mean, wouldn't you after how she's been treated by people? People went psycho on her because she didn't have a "diverse enough" photo on Instagram, when she was at a private retreat. Who would even think about that, in the moment? Just like the more outlandish behaviors of left leaning individuals bullying others in their own circles about the whole "wizard game" drama, an amazing ally to the left and LGBTQ+ causes has been lost because of this type of bullying behavior. And for what? What good was gained? Absolutely nothing. Nothing of worth was gained. An important, influential, educational voice within this sphere has been lost over "left eating left" behavior. It's so frustrating it makes you want to spit nails - sometimes the biggest detriment to progress isn't the right, but the left's complete inability to be flexible, to forgive others, to be understanding, and to stop gatekeeping and purity testing. I wouldn't blame Brenda if she never came back. I wouldn't. All this effort for nothing in my opinion, she should take her producing/editing/writing gifts and use them where they'll be appreciated.

[@soulmechanics7946]

Well well, you certainly upped your game since last we met. Excellent work Madam. 👏👏👏

[@sunnyfawn13]

Thank you for this exploration and explanation! I appreciate y’all so much. This is freaking awesome and powerful content! ❤

[@justinaacuriouswanderer1496]

You reignited my hope in seeking God... When I almost completely lost it because of republicans...

[@pianoplayer2260]

Did you realize that you are a filthy sinner? Did you believe Jesus Christ God manifested in the flesh died for your sins and rose again? Fo you believe that your works have nothing to do with your salvation? Did you ask God to save you? There are many false "gospels" out there. Make sure you have the biblical one.

[@jesswheat2746]

Brilliant episode thanks so much to both of you!

[@paradisecityX0]

This type of cult of personality is grotesque and sacrilege but it's not unusual, historically speaking. Constantine, Theodosius, Justinian, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, Richard the Lionheart, Vlad the Impaler, Henry 8, Ivan the Terrible, Louis 14, etc. Even the Founding Fathers. But in the case of DT, it's the most absurd but it's more of an overreaction if anything

[@teehee4096]

@Julie Anne You can believe a person's policies fully and be in a cult of personality. Did I misunderstand your question?

[@T_Cup]

@Julie Anne Because you can't separate his policies from everything else he’s said and done and somehow pretend the policies are all that exists or matters. It goes back to the point about complicity they discussed at around 38:40

[@paradisecityX0]

@Julie Anne kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6rCi2qXppmGoaM

[@paradisecityX0]

@Julie Anne Why so defensive and assume that I'm referring to anybody who voted for him rather than the lunatics who treat him like a golden calf? Besides being a total failure. DeSantis is objectively the best man for the job

[@billdrew6044]

@@paradisecityX0 DeSantis is Deep State. Sorry.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I'm an autistic male. I never have women "pummeling to get inside my house" (I wish).

[@paradisecityX0]

Also this isn't just a Far Right issue. The Left has a similar idolatry problem with Obama, Cuomo, Fauci, and them. Even George Floyd

[@teehee4096]

^^

[@twoterrifiedmonkeys4994]

I love u Bren ! Fuck cancel culture… I’d really like to see u give a speech at the pulpit I think it’d go viral 💙

[@malp292]

John Wayne ( Marion Morrison) was not the white duke we watched in his cowboy movies. In real life he was a timid person who faked an illness as an excuse to escape conscription. A shy man who kept to himself and often cried in fear when he was diagnosed with cancer which eventually took his life. And he went completely bald at a very young age and wore a hairpiece in his movies. Most of the religious types who show off their masculinity are no different in real life. I am a Christian, a Lesbian and I was born and still live in a Country which is predominantly Buddhist. Extremism back here in all religions are so rife that the LGBTQI community live in fear of reprisals from these religious thugs who preach violence against us. Priests, pastors, Buddhist monks, Muslim Imams and Hindu Sadus who keep preaching hate towards Homosexuals are been exposed for who they are here. CLOSETED GAY MEN.

[@trevorfrayne6418]

Thank you for sharing.

[@abc-rp2nf]

John Wayne is amazing and he was a real man. And yes, I am a girl (young lady) writing this.

[@malp292]

@@abc-rp2nf Yes he was a real man in real life. Not in his movies. those were acts.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

The situation in your country sounds awful.

[@cliffordnewell2445]

How does a Christian determine what is right and what is wrong in the Bible?

[@marksmith4892]

I do not espouse pretty much anything she or her guests have to say on this channel, but in answer to your question in the generic sense, have you ever seen those giant coin funnels in the middle of shopping malls where you can drop a coin into this gigantic funnel toward some charity organization and watch it go round round round round round until it drops in the hole? I think that is how to approach religion, and whichever religion is consistent with the evidence is the right one. I think this is the truth that Christians today either do not understand or else willfully ignore. As I often say, Christians ignore science and non-Christians lie about science. But that leaves the question of interpreting scriptures correctly. Modern interpretations are hopelessly broken, which makes me question the faith itself and despair because the correct interpretation is supposed to be preserved through the church and when they have failed abysmally to do that then what does it say about a deity who cannot even communicate his message effectively? If any congregation were to crack a hebrew-greek key study bible and put scriptures into a historical cultural and linguistic context their minds would be blown about what is actually being said. Channels like this one will lie about the meaning, but conventional interpretations also badly malign the meaning.

[@mattalley4330]

I commented on this and then somehow managed to delete my post. I'll go ahead and type it out again since I feel strongly about it. Although I tend to agree with Du Mez overall I found her comment on how people (ok, men) asking her to help them come to a better perspective on this matter that they are asking the wrong question to be very unhelpful and frustrating. It is only natural for someone to react that way if you tell them they have a problem ("Well, ok, how do I fix it then?"). It raises an old frustration I had when I was a Christian (former Pentecostal turned atheist here) of people making big bold claims and then doing this little dance to wriggle out of standing behind the claim the moment they get some entirely understandable pushback.She makes a big claim and is effectively refusing to own it...and this comes across as rather spineless. I'm sorry, but if you poke a hole in my tire and I ask you to help me patch it and you tell me that I'm asking the wrong question that is a sure way to...not exactly see me at my best, so to speak.

[@cutebunny796]

Hi Brenda pleaaaaaseee make a video on Justpearlythings, she's saying the most hateful things about women and I cannot stand it anymore. She talks about reborn virgins, or women who found God in their 30s in such a bad and harmful way.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I've never felt I've shared power with neurotypical men.

[@anthonybarber3872]

What do you mean by the "divine feminine?"

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I knew a guy who called gay marriage "the neutering of the gospel".

[@lemsip207]

Muscular Christianity goes back a long way to the 19th century in England with the fee paying boarding schools. Ian Hislop made a documentary about the BBC for it. I saw the proponents of it in the early 80's in a Christian magazine for young people called Buzz in the UK.

[@TheMntnG]

what did you think of Berlin manly men?

[@halfhkkn8849]

there is NO contridictions in the bible, but you have to ask God to give you wisdom , understanding and to open your eyes to his word.Hes word is living, active, and in it you find life, peace, joy, answers, and a relationship with the Most High God. If you are humble towards God, he will reveal to you... everything! Those who seek with all their heart, shall find.

[@red.headed.gracie]

True!

[@lukasderlokomotivfuhrer7657]

Amen!

[@lukasderlokomotivfuhrer7657]

@@bryanthomas4907 so much for the tolerant left!

[@mattalley4330]

So in other words it takes credulity? Agreed!

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I knew someone who knew John Eldritch.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

There is this language that I associate with the Goddess Movement ("divine feminine") in Wicca that my agnostic ass would never use.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I suppose it would relate to traditionalist Wicca, the idea that masculine and feminine energy being balanced within oneself.

[@danielrisk5731]

And I am sure we are going to get "Gods" take ( the Bible Gods Word) on all of this when all is said and done after all this you tube channel is "God is grey" ! Only problem with the title "God is grey" is anyone who has read the Bible ( Gods Word) for any length of time will realize there is not any "grey areas" with GOD it is either black or white ( not talking about skin color or race) or "yea and neah " ( yes or no ) !

[@LeftWingMissThing]

The Bible is a highly nuanced book with over 31,000 verses. There is a lot of room for gray!

[@danielrisk5731]

@@LeftWingMissThing Hello; How much of the Bible have you read . Every time I pick up and read the Bible God is very specific on every issue with no wiggle room or "grey" areas! I have pointed Brenda to specific passages of scripture that refute her opinions such as Revelation 20: 14 and 15 and Romans 1;28-32 where God specifically addresses the subjects of LGBT behavior and "hell and the lake of fire"( suffering after death) ! Brenda denies such passages exist ! HMMMMM !

[@LeftWingMissThing]

I don’t think it’s adequate to read the Bible in English. I look at various texts and translations and am also very interested in what the political climate of the time the books were written. Not everything is a message to Americans. Anyways, if everything in the Bible you read is clear, you’re in superficial study.

[@AV-tm5zf]

@@LeftWingMissThing what language is adequate?

[@LeftWingMissThing]

@@AV-tm5zf I’m serious about study of the Bible and all I can say is in my experience serious study can’t be done in church. Churches exist to push political agendas and I do think the evangelical church in America needs to redefine its mission and commitment to Christ. I don’t recall saying I don’t believe in God or that anyone else is a communist so that’s just a weird thing to say.

[@chocobowrangler]

I'm not sure how I feel that I immediately recognized the Jesus in the thumbnail to be Edward Saxby (the face and body model of Ardyn Izunia in FFXV Kingsglaive) and the image from his Sexy Jesus 2021 calendar shoot...

[@abc-rp2nf]

"Sexy Jesus"? No, that's disgusting and blasphemy.

[@red.headed.gracie]

Uhmmmm

[@celinelia8127]

Brenda, have you seen Paul and Morgan's extremely intense birth story?

[@pianoplayer2260]

Gossip

[@Sarah-re7cg]

I’ve never seen mad men, however, I do think having the power that the men in that show that I’ve seen and understood, I don’t understand why someone would want that. It may seem appealing in an extreme naïveté, but as someone who used to study international relations, power structures and government, I understand that that’s not real. These guys that religious zealots aspire to be is a literal despot. Idk if anyone has been taking note, but the life of a despot is shallow, lonely. Isolating, paranoid and detached. There isn’t real interaction with other human beings because they don’t see other people as human beings, just a means to an end. There’s a reason why despots are often killed and they have to spend their entire lives living in a lie. They have no legitimate power, it’s only through indoctrination and physical force.

[@danielrisk5731]

First of all the more and more you read Gods Word and get to know God better you realize there is nothing "grey" about God ( creator of the world ) ! Now if you want to mention "God" and get applause from atheists and who ever all you have to do is not mention "sin" or "hell or the lake of fire" and not mention the fact God frowns on LGBT behavior ( Romans 1; 26-32 the Bible Gods Word) or not mention the two sexual sins ( "Adultery and Fornication") God talks about over and over again in his Word the Bible ! Or mention the two things God says we must all do ( Romans 10; 9 and 10 ) to bypass the "lake of fire " ( Revelation 20; 14 and 15 ; the Bible ) etc !! So with all that said I guess Brenda is with holding all this information about GOD so she can get applause from some etc !

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I don't wear panties, lol.

[@glory5110]

😇 going to order this book now

[@dakotaclark733]

Love of neighbor = fighting a war and dying so your children may see peace Loving your enemy = when they surrender you don’t murder them or rape and pillage their families Kindness = giving the dying solider next to you your last drink of water. Men where made ti Glorify God by protecting and providing hints Adams job all the way back in Genesis. He failed so Jesus had to come back and do that. God made the genders different and woman is the crown jewel of creation. That’s why “toxic masculinity” culture taught women and children first. You can’t get away from this truth it’s evident throughout scripture as well as in nature. what you’re pushing hurts men. Suicide rates of men are at an all time high, why? It’s because men can’t be men. In the past when “toxic masculinity” was actually in control they where much lower. As feminist theory went out and grew, men started offing themselves. Patriarchy literally means father rule. All Christians should affirm it, if for no other reason God the father rules.

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

Stop virtue signalling and go wokescold elsewhere, please!!

[@Dayglodaydreams]

Toxic masculinity also came from the Mythopoetic Men's Movement. Look it up.

[@danielrisk5731]

Really wondering why I dont hear any Bible verses being mentioned ( on this channel whatever topic may be ) to back up all the opinion and hyperbole after all this you tube channel is devoted to God and what he thinks ( aka "God is grey" ) right question mark ! Or should this channel be called "Brenda is grey" instead which sounds a lot more reasonable given the stated facts !

[@annaspeaksout2964]

So at first I was just going to say, isn't it ironic that this woman is considering herself an authority on men's issues and what they are like and why. I'm pretty sure that Brenda would never be OK with the roles being reversed there. HOWEVER, She just casually said that she doesn't believe in the inerrancy of The Bible... So that is a much, much larger issue. I wonder if she has never read John chapter one or just doesn't believe it for some reason...

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

Just because you're upset that her Instagram photo isn't 'diverse' enough for you, it doesn't give you a right to come here just to bash her. Why don't you stop being such a wokescold and leave Brenda alone?

[@annaspeaksout2964]

@@luvsavengedsevenfold lol, huh? How in the world did you make that connection from my comment?

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

@@annaspeaksout2964 Well, why else are you here criticizing Brenda if you aren't upset about the supposed 'lack of diversity' in her Instagram photo? Only a wokescold would come to a video of someone they dislike just to bash them, right?

[@annaspeaksout2964]

@@luvsavengedsevenfold I hope that you're trolling... Since what I actually said in my comment was in no way connected to the retarded woke Karens who you are talking about. I hope that you're critical thinking skills are not actually that non-existent.

[@LeftWingMissThing]

Why would it be ironic that a woman would be a historian that specializes in gender studies? She is working on a book of historic womanhood in Christianity now.

[@marksmith4892]

I immediately object to the following: 1) the term "toxic masculinity" because masculinity is neither a virtue nor a vice just as femininity is neither a virtue nor a vice; masculinity is simply a condition of being male which can be used for good or evil just as a garden shovel can be used to plant a vegetable garden or commit murder. If you attempt to agree with this assertion then I would direct your attention to the universities which have identified ANY aggressive male behavior as toxic thereby proving that indeed the left tacitly considers masculinity itself to be toxic. 2) the notion that evangelicals consider Trump to be their religious spokesman. All evangelicals said that he is simply a flawed guy with a sordid past who was nevertheless the RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB just as a seedy plumber who swears like a sailor is the right man to fix the pipes. It was always nothing more, nothing less. And you will disagree with this I'm sure but it became apparent over time that the influence on Trump was positive and that he was enormously effective for good in the Presidency. But you are trying to claim evangelical inconsistency and compromise of their integrity where there is none. 3) The flagrant hypocrisy of your position that Trumps grab them by the naughty bits comment is inconsistent with evangelicals supporting him because look at where he was learning this type of language: Hollywood, where the movie producers and rapists like Harvey Weinstein all support "female empowerment" and "women's liberation" yet treat women like disposable grease rags and dehumanized objects of amusement. The left are by far the most abusive to women, more than any other group, even as you point your crooked fingers at evangelicals. The purity movement is, yes, abusive to women, but leftists are EXTREMELY abusive to women and completely destroy them in mind and body where those leftists are free to act with impunity.

[@oscarbenigsen4538]

Really appreciate your post. 1. Toxic Masculinity. I really don't care what leftists say on this issue. I do not even argue against it. I have discovered that real women like men who know who they are, and who are not afraid to lead based upon who they know themselves to be. When I meet the occasional woman who talks feminist nonsense, I summarily dismiss her. I mean I do not even look back on her. She speaks poison. I think if more men did this, women will either increasingly become themselves, or they will end up dating simps. I just don't care about them either way. 2. You are absolutely right on this. Trump was no evangelical rep. He was a means to an end. Most of my friends saw the day when we could control the SCOTUS, for example. They actually mentioned this when I challenged them on voting for trump. He was seen merely as a man who would do a job for them. I think they were wrong to have such a narrow view (1 Corinthians 5:11). But I understood them, and still love them. They were simply trying to do their best against a world increasingly dominated by evil and that aims to assault the most vulnerable among us. 3. I agree that leftists are exceptionally hypocritical. But I must say, their hypocrisy gives me no freedom to stand with a man as profane and hideous as Donald Trump. I did not vote in 2016. I did not vote in 2020. I could not personally support any of the wicked men before me. I would rather let God deal with them, and with America. He will surely deal with them. Indeed, He will deal with us all. The peace and plenty that you now enjoy cannot continue forever. And America is unlike the America of the past. The country is disintegrated by culture, and by even the most basic moral sensibilities. This means that when great distress falls upon us, we will fall into more chaos than most can now imagine. There will be no national response to it. Every man will be for himself and his allies. And those who are now isolated due to their nonsense, including feminists, will suffer most of all. This is when The Church will shine. We already have the infrastructure and culture for it.

[@marksmith4892]

@@oscarbenigsen4538 everybody has been praying for mercy on America. I've been praying for swift and furious judgment but safety for those of us who did not participate in the evil.

[@victorevanssr.5034]

Sounds alot like d trump

[@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433]

Real men don’t wear panties. How did you go from the Bible isn’t inerrant and saying it contradicts itself and then quoting like you believe it? The Bible clearly says what man is and what he is to be doing. Just like the Bible clearly teaches what a woman is and what women are to be doing. Equals but play different roles. Now the world is teaching a child can pick a gender before they even know what their favorite color. And if you don’t like it and speak out about it we will cancel you.

[@LeftWingMissThing]

Do real men get offended by a harmless comment about men wearing panties?

[@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433]

@@LeftWingMissThing I would only reply to my 1st sentence with me too. I don’t get offended. I also don’t like that word or the word moist…and the feel of velvet. Just remember there is no such thing as gray area in the Bible.

[@LeftWingMissThing]

Oh please. It’s clear to you the place of women in the Bible? Even Jesus had female preachers in his discipleship.

[@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433]

@@LeftWingMissThing Were you going to give book, chapter, and verse…or just throw that out there.. hoping I wouldn’t reply back? Women can’t be in leadership over a man 1 Timothy 2:11- 14…1 Timothy 3:1-7 teaches a woman don’t meet the requirements to be an elder. 1 Timothy 3:8-13 women don’t meet those qualification’s to be a deacon either. Women can teach women and children Titus 2:3-5

[@LeftWingMissThing]

Like many modern Christians you are a Paulian. You aren’t willing to look at the contributions of women in the church but also base your faith around a strict and archaic hierarchical standard, which is exactly what Jesus was against.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

Why do you do hour long episodes, you could do 30 min. or 20 min. videos. Do longer videos get more ad. $$$?

[@anthonybarber3872]

John Piper sexist? Prove it!

[@nicholasperez4102]

WARNING!!! View a pastor or read your bible instead. Matthew 7:15-16 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?.

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

Yeah yeah yeah!! You're here to virtue signal your faith and try to cancel Brenda!! Move along now, wokescold!!

[@nicholasperez4102]

​@@luvsavengedsevenfold Just making sure people watch out because she isn't preaching the word of god. If I were to cancel her that would be great because she isn't really Christian. However I don't have that power we are in a free nation. She can preach her false teachings do to freedom of religion.

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

@@nicholasperez4102 You're not God, so I don't think your 'warning' is gonna mean anything to anyone here. People here probably either already disagree with you - or, if they're like you, they probably already agree with you. So I don't think you're gonna change a single person's mind here with one post.

[@nicholasperez4102]

@@luvsavengedsevenfold As a follower of christ it is my job as christian to speak the truth. And to keep my fellow brothers on the right path to know Christ (God). Also called as a disciple of Christ.

[@Chicky_Lumps]

@@luvsavengedsevenfold Any reasonable non-Christian would agree that her beliefs contradict orthodox Christian doctrines. Her channel makes about as much sense as me making a channel claiming I'm a Muslim, while espousing a worldview 100% in line with Christianity, and complaining when actual Muslims point out I'm not Islamic if I don't even believe Islamic doctrines. It doesn't even matter if my worldview is right or if hers is, I am objectively not a Muslim and she is objectively not a Christian based on beliefs.

[@13raxx67]

This video is completely unbiblical. it is better to reject God completely than to be luke warm towards him, or especially be a false teacher. You need to repent for your actions and follow God's will... not your own... To base your world views on scripture rather then twist scripture to suite your world view.

[@joshua.4348]

Is this woman a Christian?

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

Are you a wokescold who is still upset about the supposed 'lack of diversity' in Brenda's Instagram photo?

[@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433]

No

[@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433]

Neither one of them are.

[@luvsavengedsevenfold]

@@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433 Why don't you stop being a wokescold, and leave Brenda alone?

[@mateokarlvonpavlovic8295]

@@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433 right wings People are also not real christians. There IS no difference beetween left and right, they are all traitors of People.

[@AV-tm5zf]

The feminist movement is a HUGE culprit of men not being men. Dont complain when thats what you wanted. Its common sense.

[@oscarbenigsen4538]

Ugh. This is just a couple of females who are speaking about Christianity and men-- two subjects about which they know almost nothing. Evangelicals did not support Trump or dismiss his antics due to an acceptance of "masculine Christianity." That is total nonsense. Most of us were deeply in conflict about Trump, and remained so throughout his administration. But we were, and still are, desperately afraid of leftism, including LGBTQ-anon's influence upon the left. Leading into Trump we had witnessed decades of social decay due to the left, including a half century of abortion wherein more than sixty million children were slaughtered by leftists, often at the public's expense. In response we, as far back as the 1980s, began to believe (wrongly) that our only hope against leftism was to adopt the leftist playbook and take control of America's political machinery, especially The Supreme Court. I was born in the middle of this war, in 1994. By 2004 I was well-aware of it. But I did not understand what was at stake. In 2012 I voted for the first time. I understood most of the issues. I had seen Obama's first administration and thought that, in view of what he had inherited, he was successful. During those years the economy, abortion, LGBTQ-ism were the chief issues being discussed in my sphere of influence, such as it was. Obama had long threaded the needle on abortion and LGBTQ-ism, standing personally against abortion, and against gay marriage. In 2008 he garnered almost 30% of the evangelical vote, despite Birtherism, and despite that he ran against a war hero. There was no masculine Christianity here at all. Evangelicals simply wanted to stem the leftist tide, and Obama was not much of a threat here. I recall many within the evangelical church expressing at least some willingness to vote for Obama. So by 2012, I was not exactly hostile to Obama. I was, in fact, hostile to his Republican opponent. In 2012 my voting choices were Obama and Romney. I could not vote for a Mormon, and since Obama was not exactly repugnant to me I voted for the Democrat. But it was here that the evangelical church began to lose its moorings. At the time I wrote to the church extensively on this issue, though I was more than two years into my studies at university. I recall watching the church, after having taught for more than a century against the heresies of Mormonism, even claiming that Mormonism's teachings were those of a pseudo-Christian cult (teachings that Romney was on record as promoting), throw its once consistent position into the trash, this, for mere political gain. Church leader after church leader told me, often to my face, that they understood my position but that because the church was not voting for a pastor, supporting Romney was acceptable. Romney was a man who believed that Satan was Jesus's brother, that Mary conceived Jesus by having physical sex with God the Father, that all men in good standing with Mormonism would one day become gods like God the Father and live in polygamy with many wives with whom they would populate their own planets, and yet the church voted for him with historic conviction. Whereas in 2008 Obama received almost 30% of the evangelical vote, in 2012 he barely received 20%. This revealed to me that the church had lost itself to politics, not because of masculine Christianity or anything like it. The church was simply responding in fear of the left. I wrote to church leaders at the time that we were vulnerable-- that if we would so cavalierly support a man who harbored such blasphemous beliefs against The Almighty, we could surely vote for anyone, however odious he happened to be, as long as he promised us political power. My message was ignored, of course. And when Obama finally came out for gay-marriage, many in the church felt vindicated. Obama's message to us was loud and clear: _'You are correct that The President is not a role model. Bill Clinton taught us that, and you did well to try to embrace it in your attempt to defeat me by voting for the Mormon. But you failed. And now I am going to ram leftism down your throats, destroying American culture forever. And there is nothing you can do about it as long as you remain hung-up on forcing your personal values onto political candidates. You would be wise to maintain focus ONLY on power, else we are going to trash your precious family values.'_ I saw what would happen four years in advance. By 2016 I was fresh into developing my doctoral thesis. I also had a growing business that desperately needed my attention. Despite this, and to underscore my commitment to this issue, I personally met with virtually all of the major leaders of the evangelical church, imploring them not to lead the church toward Donald Trump. And, predictably, they all effectively gave me the same message that they had given four years earlier: _'Our duty is not to vote only for those who embrace our values. Our duty is to gain the ability to defend our values. Children's lives are depending upon us.'_ Abortion was initially the great issue pushing the church from itself. But when Obama approved of LGBTQ-ism and The SCOTUS legalized gay marriage, the church became all but completely detached from its moorings. Then gays began to attack the church, destroying Christian businesses, and grooming children through classrooms and public libraries. It caused many in the church to believe that anyone who would openly stand against the left would be worthy of a chance to stand against it. That is why the church broke for Donald Trump: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zn29oph9p6p4nK8 It is 2023, and the situation is now far worse than in 2016. Leftists are still after the children. Children's lives are still at stake: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnqrkJuuf92MjqM kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHzVlnyCg81krNE kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpO1foOan9qShbs kzbin.info/www/bejne/omGshYOtfL-ZfdE kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5ikY557lqeqb6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXbMepV-ntekkLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmnGlZaQaMSqesU kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5PUZJ-aZZ1qj5Y Unfortunately, I am unable to deal with the issue as closely as I once did. Occasionally I meet with leaders in my church about it, and with much less frequency with those in other churches. But I see the shape of the future looming large before me. The GOP's poor performance in this past midterm elections, far from repudiating Trumpism, has merely revealed a need for better marketing. To be sure Trump himself is damaged goods and therefore he will lose power. But a newer and more virulent version of the disease is already underway. The pendulum is surely swinging rightward, contrary to popular belief. When it does in earnest, and if we are in the sort of historic economic distress that my data shows is almost inevitable, well... I think we can all kiss America's traditional domestic peace goodbye. When it happens, gays, LGBTQ-ists, and leftists generally, will be increasingly savaged by various means. January 6th is not over. It was simply made ineffective because it had ill-conceived goals, was disorganized, and led by men who lacked intelligence. It will surely return again. My hope is that when it does, the evangelical church will return to itself and realize that it cannot participate in the violence that will be developing around it-- that instead it must model love even for its enemies.

[@ohuntermc9321]

All what what you said LGBT did when gay marriage was legalised, has been done by straight people. They have groomed children by various means but fyi supporting people who Are struggling with their sexual orientation is not grooming anyhow.

[@oscarbenigsen4538]

@@ohuntermc9321 *YOU SAID: "All what what you said LGBT did when gay marriage was legalised, has been done by straight people."* Except that we straights never destroyed the meaning of marriage. Gay marriage did. And now there is no logic available to us to protect society from other non-human sexual configurations. Why do gays only marry in twos if marriage simply requires the so-called "love" of consenting adults? Why can't five consenting adults marry, or fifty, or a hundred? With true marriage we know exactly why only two can be involved. The Human Order itself is based on the genetic combination (or marriage) of only two people, male + female, MOM & DAD. You are at your very foundational identity, a union of two sets of genetic code, each marked by sex - male+female. This is not about how you came to be. It is about what you are - right now. It is why you have Mom's eyes, and Dad's nose - right now. You are a *literal marriage* within a hetero-sexual construct. We can see this objectively. And it applies to all humanity, _The Human Order._ All of this homosexual stuff is outside of it. It is DISORDERED. When homosexuality was accepted in society, disorder was accepted, and as a result we lost the ability to protect society from other disorders. As we have seen, polygamy must be accepted due to the acceptance of homosexuality. And this also applies to bestiality. If two men can have sex contrary to the human order, then so can a man and a cow have sex contrary to the human order.* Homosexuality has destroyed the logic whereby we protect society from sexual disorders. Straights did not do this. _*Don't be silly here and mention "consent" as you put leashes around your dog's neck, cut off its testicles, and eat your bacon and burgers. If you can do all of this to these animals without their consent, there is no reason you can't have sex with them without consent._

[@ohuntermc9321]

​@@oscarbenigsen4538 Marriage is an old human concept that has evolved. Every culture has different takes on marriage. Some cultures its normal to marry multiple partners at once where in others its more acceptable to have a monogamous marriage. In some cultures its okay to get married as a child while in others that is illegal. Some cultures have the parents choose your spouse for you and you only meet them the day you get married, which others find to be unacceptable to marry a stranger. There is no single way to be married. The Human Order has nothing to do with marriage, as we don't need "marriage" in order to reproduce and continue the order. Animals don't need marriage to continue their order and neither do we. The human order was doing just fine before "marriage" ever came into the picture. "With true marriage we know exactly why only two can be involved." Who are you or anyone to say what is marriage or the only criteria suitable to be married. FYI many straight marriage do not have children so is that not acceptable then to have a childless marriage? Are they living a disordered lifestyle for not continuing the human order? Also what about in a situation with a intersex person? Where do they come into the picture? Do they not fit the basis for marriage you are espousing because they don't come under your male + female criteria? I suppose that since they have both male and female reproductive parts they can just marry themselves. "As we have seen, polygamy must be accepted due to the acceptance of homosexuality. And this also applies to bestiality." Accepting gay marriage is not going to make bestiality become acceptable and I pretty sure you don't really buy that ridiculous argument. And as I stated earlier, polygamy has existed for a long time in different cultures. You are just giving a version of marriage you have been brought up to be believe is the only acceptable ideal for marriage.

[@oscarbenigsen4538]

@@ohuntermc9321 When you say that marriage is a human concept, you speak of civil marriage, as it is described in law. But what is law? What is its purpose? _We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness._ The Founders were correct in their claim that law exists to enable governments to secure the rights of individual humans. Those rights do not simply float in the cosmos on their own. They emanate of _Human Nature._ You have the natural and necessary right to respire, for example, because from your earliest existence, even at your conception, you were predicated upon respiration. Without it, there could be no you. And since this applies to all humans by nature, respiration is a comprehensively human trait, the right of all humans. Should one remove respiration from any instance of humanity, one commits non-humanness, an act contrary to one's own nature. Therefore law, if it is to be humanly accurate, must codify respiration as a right that all humans must support and respect. But do you have a natural and necessary right to skydive? No. No human is predicated upon skydiving. Without it, humanness persists. And this is why were skydivers to collude to force national support of skydiving into law, many humans would protest. Every individual is surrounded by a cloud of rights each of which flows from the human nature that we all share. The ultimate aim of law is to codify every single one of those rights, logically duplicating all of human nature into the text of law so that governments can protect it. To the extent that a society gets this right, that society can be said to be civilized. Not all societies are civilized. *YOU SAID: "Marriage is an old human concept that has evolved. Every culture has different takes on marriage. Some cultures its normal to marry multiple partners at once where in others its more acceptable to have a monogamous marriage.... (etc.)"* Nonsense. Marriage is itself human nature, since every single human is fundamentally a literal biological marriage of two human identities each of which is marked by sex, male + female. Marriage is us. And civil marriage is nothing but a codification of this fundamental human nature. For this reason civil marriage is always limited to two people in a hetero-sexual construct *if it is to be civilized and human.* Many cultures get this wrong because they are less civilized in this area. In other words, they are not philosophical enough to know, codify and protect human nature. Other cultures are uncivilized in other areas. Western cultures, for example, have all codified the certifiably *anti-* humanness of homosexuality and abortion into their laws. These cultures are positively barbaric in these areas, codifying the total destruction of the bodies of more than 60 million human beings simply because they happened to live within their mothers as we all once did. They are forcing onto human society the non-humanness of a man's bending over and taking it up his rear from another man, and calling this "love" when it has no logical parity with the male+female structure that *literally defines* us all. That is complete and utterly non-human barbarism, and it marks the west. *YOU SAID: "The Human Order has nothing to do with marriage, as we don't need "marriage" in order to reproduce and continue the order....(etc.)"* This is untrue. We are each marriages ourselves. Civil marriage exists as a philosophical outgrowth of civilization. It exists to codify us - our nature - so that governments can protect our rights, only one of which is the right of children (each of whom equals MOM+DAD) to be cared for by their parents. Governments hold parents responsible for their children because children have a right to this. *YOU SAID: "Who are you or anyone to say what is marriage or the only criteria suitable to be married. FYI many straight marriage do not have children so is that not acceptable then to have a childless marriage? Are they living a disordered lifestyle for not continuing the human order?"* We are dealing here with what is objectively rooted in human nature. It is a matter of what is logically human. Every marriage is childless at some point. So having children is irrelevant. If a couple marries in accord with the male+female construct that *literally defines every single human* of the more than 105 billion humans who have ever existed in human history, then their marriage obviously falls within the human construct, despite that it produces no children. The marriage, the very shape and intimacy of it, is patently not disordered. It is human (hetero-sexual) in construct. *YOU SAID: "Also what about in a situation with a intersex person? Where do they come into the picture? Do they not fit the basis for marriage you are espousing because they don't come under your male + female criteria? I suppose that since they have both male and female reproductive parts they can just marry themselves."* They have the same chromosomal definition as all other males and females, except that they have the aberration of additional or a less information. That aberration is DEFECTIVE or a DISORDER from the human XY+XX genetic construct that defines us all. Intersex people are human not *because* of the DEFECT, but despite it. Their defect tends to cull them out of the human gene pool because it is itself NON-HUMAN. *YOU SAID: "Accepting gay marriage is not going to make bestiality become acceptable and I pretty sure you don't really buy that ridiculous argument."* As I have shown, if we do not hold to the logical structure that fundamentally defines human nature (which is a marriage of two identities each marked by sex, male+female), then we lose the logic that forbids non-human intimacy like bestiality. Accepting homosexuality destroys the logic that protects human society from other non-human behaviors like polygamy. And if there is no logic available to us to forbid these, then on what basis can we forbid them? On none. We are now vulnerable as a society. As we see in this video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJetdKGNjJWVi68) Zoophiles are now making exactly the same case that homosexuals made 50 years ago. *YOU SAID: "And as I stated earlier, polygamy has existed for a long time in different cultures. You are just giving a version of marriage you have been brought up to be believe is the only acceptable ideal for marriage."* Nonsense. I am holding to that which is logically human. I am a marriage of male+female, not male+male, not female+female, not male+female+female, not male+animal. I am a marriage of male+female, MOM+DAD. And my mother's identity within me never detaches from my father's to then become replaced by some other woman. I am a literal hetero-sexual marriage that persists until death does me part. This is the genuine nature of marriage for all of humanity. I am simply telling this truth because it is true - and all else is DISORDERED from it.

[@ohuntermc9321]

@@oscarbenigsen4538 "Accepting homosexuality destroys the logic that protects human society from other non-human behaviours like polygamy." as I said earlier, polygamy isn't new and has been practiced for centuries and is very normal in other societies so why you are talking about like its a new thing I don't know. "The marriage, the very shape and intimacy of it, is patently not disordered. It is human (hetero-sexual) in construct." But homosexual marriage is not disordered, maybe expect in your mind. Its natural, various creators as well as us practice it. "They are forcing onto human society the non-humanness of a man's bending over and taking it up his rear from another man" is anyone forcing you to take it up the read end? You are literally talking bullocks now. If you don't like then that's fine, no one is making you take it up the tale pipe so stop making such stupid comments like that. "Nonsense. Marriage is itself human nature, since every single human is fundamentally a literal biological marriage of two human identities each of which is marked by sex, male + female. Marriage is us" Its not. The human race existed for much longer than marriage ever did. They carried on the cycle without such a concept, it wasn't needed then and doesn't now. Looking at the statistics on divorce it looks like the human race would do better off without it. "if we do not hold to the logical structure that fundamentally defines human nature (which is a marriage of two identities each marked by sex, male+female), then we lose the logic that forbids non-human intimacy like bestiality." No we don't. There is a big difference between two or more consenting humans engaging in sexual activity to a human acting in sexual acts with a beast. But if you look at our natural existence. Many creatures cross bread all the time, and who is responsible for this? your creator! Also marriage is not what fundamentally defines human nature; its f*ucking that defines human nature. "Nonsense. I am holding to that which is logically human. I am a marriage of male+female, not male+male, not female+female, not male+female+female, not male+animal. I am a marriage of male+female, MOM+DAD. And my mother's identity within me never detaches from my father's to then become replaced by some other woman." its funny because all I'm reading is utter nonsense. But at the end of the day this is just your perception of civilised society (which you see as fact), which is flawed in so many ways but more importantly the number of people who think like this are diminishing and will continue to do so. That's what means something in the end. Also I don't really care what the Declaration of Independence says because firstly, its not legally binding, and second its over 200 years old and holds little relevance in this day and age. Any Declaration that mentions god is outdated anyway. "This is the genuine nature of marriage for all of humanity. I am simply telling this truth because it is true - and all else is DISORDERED from it." Well its not true because marriage is not in nature, its just nonsensical human practice and secondly Its not disordered because it exists in our natural world. All your beliefs are grounded on philosophical ideals and outdated quotes. I think time has been trying to get in contact with you.