Jewish American vs American Jew - An American Pickle (2020)

[@victorvolobuev507]

I also had a jumanji themed bar mitzvah😂

[@JadedFire23]

I was wondering if it would be spelled "Jumanji" or "Jewmanji" for the movie.

[@itsanit123]

One element is Irving wrote allot about Dutch American history, and made up some, but the colony moved from a cultural Dutch place to an English place and there was this idea of a lost history. The story starts with him meeting a man who is very dutch and out of time. So the theme of assimilation and change is part of Rip Van Winkle as well and a lost time and culture.

[@howardfischer7429]

My parents had a friend on the lower East side who sold pickes. Everyone called him "Maxie Pickles."

[@_yiddishkeit]

Ahhh! That's awesome!

[@guyfaux3978]

@@_yiddishkeit sounds like a hoodlum?

[@cedainty]

To me, Pickles is about survival. The easiest to grow in the worst ground, pickles have fed and nourished generations of families, mine included.

[@TheErikM]

But you don't grow pickles.

[@yellowtomato]

You can't survive at all on pickles. They have no nutrients

[@Sashawott9009]

I don't understand what you're saying. You mean small vegetables are easy to grow? You pickle the vegetables that are small/unpalatable?

[@curtnicol3756]

I'm neither Jewish or American, but I'm finding these videos fascinating. Great work

[@jeromemckenna7102]

As someone who is not Jewish and someone who is older, seeing this video reminds me of all the stuff that I no longer have access to. I moved from the NYC area to Minnesota. As a child I remember pickles in a barrel, excellent bagels any many other things that don't exist in rural MN. Frozen bagels are an abomination.

[@insertnamehere_262]

At least you now you have better meat and dairy

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

My 15 year old son sells pickles and drinks at his yeshiva, subscribed and recommended your movies to my older daughters

[@_yiddishkeit]

Reminds me of my time in yeshiva, except our guys sold chocolates instead of pickles :)

[@My20GUNS]

Dude, I'm loving your vids on Jewish/Jewish themed movies. I'm a Goy boy from the Alaska, about as far away from Judism in America as you can get lol. It's great learning about all these complex traditions, struggles, and themes from great movies like Hester Street to silly comedies like American Pickle. Please keep posting.

[@dirtcache6128]

Ew, you know they think goyim are like farm animals right?

[@arcar66]

My father's family came to the US just at the turn of the last century. They settled in Philadelphia. The family business started as a green grocery but soon became a small family company selling spices .. mostly garlic. It was well known up and down the east coast for garlic in a small box. First we imported from Italy, then Spain, then Portugal. Eventually garlic became more widely used by even non-Jews. Other places started producing garlic for American markets and soon California became the garlic-producing center in the US. Hence the annual 'Kilroy Garlic Festival'. One of my fondest memories when I was very young, was to go into a deli and get a garlic pickle right from the big barrel. I used to snack on them after school...AH...those were the days!!

[@jessematthews6861]

I am glad I came across your channel. I have been watching all the videos because this fascinates me. My family was secular till I was about 12 when the desire to have a more religious life for our family hit my father strongly. That was about 2012. Living about an hour drive away from the nearest synagogue in oklahoma made that a challenge, but with some friendships, we learned. I have shared my father's drive for a more religious life, but I now live in alaska due to work. I love seeing this conflict you present in the movies you have covered so far, because there are times I feel like Ben

[@_yiddishkeit]

The conflict is very real, and I'm glad these videos are helping you connect. Glad you're here 💛

[@fairuzpandavar9796]

Hello, I came across your channel the first time today, watched your review, and subscribed. To answer your question: every single one of them resonates with me. Thank you.

[@fearlessdaveandthetsuanami7037]

this movie and the question of american jew vs, jewish american as the grandson of a holocaust survivor and being off the derech after growing up orthodox

[@_yiddishkeit]

Very much felt 💛 glad you're here

[@calebleland8390]

This movie has been on my watch list for a long while, but I haven't gotten to it. After this, I know I need to see it.

[@webwarren]

A possible title for your film series: A Stranger Among Us (1992). Melanie Griffith stars as an NYPD cop sent to work undercover in a Chassidic community. It starts as a fish-out-of-water story, but as it progresses, she learns not just the ways of the community, but a lot about love, tradition, and emotional maturity.

[@rb-pk8ds]

This was a beautiful story you told here, thank you! And as soon as my tears dry up i am going to find this movie!! And maybe the other two you referenced :-) ♡

[@_yiddishkeit]

Glad you're here 🫂

[@roxanneswanson8305]

Great analysis. Very thoughtful.

[@פלוניאלמוני-צ7מ]

The story of RIP Van Winkle reminds me the Talmudic story about the death of Honi Hameagel, one of the most famous Tannaim. The Talmud tells that one time Honi was walking along the road he saw a man planting carob, and asked him why he was doing so, since the carob will bear fruit only in seventy years. The man said he was planting carobs for future generations. Then Honi fell asleep and woke up seventy years later. When he got up from his sleep, he found the grandson of that man picking the carob fruits. Honi entered the beit midrash and when he told them that he was Honi, no one believed him, and out of grief, Honi prayed that he will die, and indeed he died. And the Talmud concludes, "havruta o mituta" - "friendship or death"

[@_yiddishkeit]

Wow, not sure how I wasn't taught that in yeshiva, I will have to look that up. Thank you

[@chiour]

pickle in france are in vinegar only but my grand father gave the receipe of the east european one (in brine) to a men who has open a factory name from the initials of my grand father. the factory in this movie is almost my personnal email ;). coincidence ?

[@gunterxvoices4101]

Thank you very much. When I saw this movie, it was at a time where my connection to my Judaism was very confusing. I had no immediate family to teach my anything and was not part of any Synagogue. I wanted to keep the family heritage and could no profess any other religion. Now that I am an adult and have found the Flint, Michigan congregation, I finally feel at home. This film reminds me of an infinity more simple time.

[@paulthibodeau2116]

this music is so beautiful!!! what is it and is it available anywhere?

[@inglefinger]

Love your breakdowns and thank you for sharing. Hoping you’ll be tackling A Serious Man in the future.

[@_yiddishkeit]

Stay tuned it's coming sooner than you think 😉

[@yochimevaseret4878]

Nicely done brother

[@TheMormonSorceress]

I did some genealogy on my family tree years ago and discovered I have some Jewish ancestry since then been looking for opportunities to learn more about that side of my family.

[@_yiddishkeit]

Welcome 💛

[@TheMormonSorceress]

​​@@_yiddishkeitThanks, btw know of any good Matzah ball soup recipes? I've always wanted to try it, I love cooking dishes from all over the world. Hey maybe you could do a cooking video of how to cook some of your peoples delicious dishes. Food brings people together after all.

[@margiesoapyhairbillian4754]

I just came across your channel. I LOVE ❤️ IT.

[@ariebrons7976]

4:22 Reminds me of the final chapter in Choni the circledrawer. 6:35 Oh yeah, I used to work in a retirement home, folks there would buy pickles from me. Despite the fact that I aint in the pickle buseniss. My line of work stereotypical in a whole other way: I am a linguist, and give legal advice in my spare time. 7:37 Claudia Roden mentions it in her Book of Jewish Food; Her grandfather emigrated to NYC and peddled Simits*. Appearantly the job was so tedious, he re-migrated back to Egypt. *A thin doughnut shaped bread,covered in its entirety in sesame seeds, also called 'Beigelach'.

[@sentient3408]

I was going to comment about the choking the circle maker thing too 😂

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

You know… Claudia is my great aunt. I had *no* idea that my great great grandfather made a brief detour to America either from Egypt of between Syria and Egypt! The things you can learn about your own family from strangers on the internet!

[@kennethgustavison1812]

Culture is a beautiful thing. The secularization of society is not in general a BAD thing, but the shame some have over their families' past negative views of other cultures and the eagerness to assimilate into a homogenous modern society has left some of the beauty of our diversity in the memory books. As a white protestant Christian of many European countries' origin, I don't know any of the German, Swedish, French, Scottish, Irish, or English traditions of my ancestors and it makes me a little sad. We are 100% American. There is Jewish-European ancestry somewhere on my paternal grandmother's side and Native American somewhere on my maternal grandmother's side, but we have no stories of those family members. Sometimes I wish I could talk to some of my great great grandparents about where I came from.

[@rainbows98]

THANK YOU FOR NOT SHOWING BOG BODIES ITS SUCH A JUMPSCARE

[@fredericdouglas3574]

I stumbled upon this video and find the concept interesting. I never knew about this movie, so now I want to see it. Two major issues I would imagine for the great-grandfather awakening to the present would be finding about the Holocaust, and the Nation of Israel today.

[@_yiddishkeit]

Yes... they conveniently avoided these topics in the movie as it was more of an exploration of uniquely American Jewishness

[@amadeosendiulo2137]

11:04 The problem is that despite the time have passed, the word Jew still means two different things: one's nationality and one's religious identity. In Polish we write the first with a capital letter and the second with a lowercase letter... at least those who know the rule do so. And in speech it's the same.

[@bentabak7]

If you’re still looking for recommendations for films for this project: The Disputation (1986) and God on Trial (2008).

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

Had not heard of a modern disputation, only know of the disputation of Barcelona which is here on KZbin and is remarkable in its portrayal of the quandary of the church being proven wrong and expelling Jews so as to Luther (loot their ) wealth and cleanse their non-existent conscience so as to pursue further divisiveness 100 Year wars and suppression of science between the Protestants and the Catholics / Vatican / Jesuits

[@_yiddishkeit]

Always looking for recommendations! My sister told me of 'God on trial' and I haven't heard of 'the disputation' will have to watch - but they are both on the list.

[@Lagolop]

Not a fan of Rogan but the movie was funny and I enjoyed it.

[@stevenkarras3490]

Loved this picture

[@soupforthefamily8378]

I actually have an ancestor who snuck onto the ship to get to the US by hiding in a pickle barrel

[@KeeperOfSecrets-42069]

I’m not Jewish but my great grandmother came in through Elis island from Norway.

[@LadyBug1967]

Very well done. I always wondered about this dichotomy. You've explained it very well. I would like you-- if you could--to do an episode on israeli-american or is it American Israeli. Recently at the Olympics I saw the heading: American Israeli wins gold. Later in the article it says an American wins gold and then it said she was born in America to expat Israeli parents. I thought all of that was extremely strange. Weren't were parents immigrants , not ex pats , which is usually use for retirees who no longer are working for creating children? AND when I first saw israeli-american wins gold I did not like it because you're either American or you're not American and it wasn't being used in the sense of Italian-American or irish-american or something of that nature but actually it was trying to give kudos to Israel and I thought in myself --either you're American or you're Israeli and if you win for America, then you're American. Anyway as I'm sure you can see-- cuz you have this ability of discernment --this is something that needs to be teased out and dealt with. Recently I'd read that Holland no longer would allow dual citizens --Dutch Israel. .I am sure that is what I had read but later I saw that in Palestinian Dutch dual citizens could no longer claim Palestinian citizenship. THEY would have to choose. So who knows what actually happened in Holland although I think it was the latter because the prejudice is against Muslims which has replaced prejudice against Jews. Which of course means inherently that prejudice against Jews can return and replace prejudice against Muslims. I think you can see where this is going. In all events I'm opposed to dual citizenship of Israeli Americans because I can see it is wrecking havoc with America and also with the Jewish situation. Dare I call it that? I think I do dare to call it that because that is the truth. Israelis have created a terrible problem for Jews in America which did not exist before and if you contend that it did exist, it was on such a minimal level according to Jews that it was not worth mentioning. Anyway thanks for your excellent analysis of the pickle situation. I hope I haven't put you in a pickle with my question.😊lol

[@chriscarroll277]

LadyBug1967…Hi,Canadian here of a pretty eclectic and diverse ancestry ,and not religious….think this would be a good issue for this channel to address as well to those of us with curious minds who sincerely want to know!But not sure if there’s a movie about it for the host here, maybe a documentary?

[@amityanuka]

‏‪9:28‬‏ I disagree with your definition, American jews are American first while Jewish Americans are the Jewish first

[@_yiddishkeit]

I understand your point. The idea that Liebman put forth was that in the phrase "American Jew" the Jew was the noun while American was the adjective, meaning 'American' just described the essential identity of 'Jew' - and vice versa. You can read more about that here: www.jta.org/2023/03/19/ideas/which-side-are-you-on-jewish-american-or-american-jew

[@danielogats]

​@@briangallagher1704 "A jewish problem"? Maybe you have a "solution"? Dude, come on. Who are you to declear such things so easily anf harshly? A mind reader? A "Jews expert"?

[@danielogats]

@@briangallagher1704 Awww, "Hebrew school". אתה מדבר עברית? אתה חושב שלדבר כמו אנטישמי סוג ז שמזלזל ביהודים בארהב מוציא אותך גבר? שלרמוז רמזים ואז לרוץ לבכות כמו ילד כאפות זה כאילו אקט של גיבור?

[@OddWoz]

You’re backwards. He has it right in the video.

[@OddWoz]

@@briangallagher1704 🛎️ 🛎️ 🛎️ your removed post is exactly accurate. It’s the Israel first that’s the problem.

[@here_we_go_again2571]

Thank you sharing. 😊 Has anyone made a film about Jewish farmers in America? I am asking because in the town that I grew up in; there was a German/Austrian(?) Jewish family that had owned a farm since the late 1800's/early 1900's for a few generations. The farm is gone now, with the growth of the suburbs. If the farm had been further out in the country; the owners would have had to expand or go out of business because dairy farming is labor-intensive. To survive in the current market the farms have to be large. Unless the farm can be re-configured into a specialty/niche farm near a large university or a very high-income suburb; where there is a demand for the niche product.

[@JohnShea-d2x]

In the US, Judaism is just one of many religions. Being 100% American and if Jewish, 100 % Jewish simultaneously is the norm rather than an exception. Possibly feeling conflicted internally should not be suprising as what being Jewish and American entails are both highly varied.

[@thegeorges2384]

Gentile watching from 🇦🇺thanks, think I’ll have to watch this movie, seems charming. Luv you guys & TheJewish Messiah too✝️🕎

[@_yiddishkeit]

Def check it out, it's silly but meaningful.

[@bobdollaz3391]

They hate our LORD JESUS CHRIST, Yeshua Ben YHWH

[@JewishKeto]

I see myself as a Jew but I happen to live in America.

[@chriscarroll277]

Going to Rutgers long ago and far away I met and hung out /lived with with a fair number of Jewish Americans ( kinda sorta had 2 boyfriends-Ho!)who were like 3rd and near-4th generation grandchildren/ great grandkids of immigrants….never really encountered personally any of the more Orthodox leaning types….American first and foremost, predominately non-practicing except for when sharing holidays with grandma and grandpa/(food city !)…so finding this pretty interesting

[@dreamervanroom]

Is it a wave or a particle? Depends on how you are looking at it.

[@catmelvin997]

so cool too bc i feel like a lot of this history is like kinda forgotten given that a lot of these political entities dont even exist anymore, i like the book Fin-du-siècle Vienna by Carl Schorske for this kind of shit

[@celtiberian07]

My Jewish great grand dad grew up less then a.mile from where i live now and guess what we still struggling

[@Robert-xx8jx]

Pure cinema!

[@ariebrons7976]

3:55 Immigrating to America? You probably mean Emigrating to America. Immigrating means to come to a country. Emigrating means to leave for another country.

[@_yiddishkeit]

🤔

[@tethergobrrr]

Huh? Immigrate to Emigrate from Perhaps I missed something..

[@jasonkatz4430]

You immigrate to, emigrate from

[@angelogarcia2189]

I thought Seth Rogan was from Vancouver?.?.?.

[@bllopawah]

need a remake with tom hardy

[@blimlimlim2479]

No, the story isn't Rip Van Winkle; it's Honey of the Circle and the Carob tree.

[@jules6601]

Two words rebi. Demonym vs Ethnonym. Before Bismark , you asked a person "what are you?" and they would say "i am a yid or a roma or so on and so on". After Bismark you ask the same person "what are you?" "Ich bin deutsch" "but what are you REALY" "well i am a jude, roma, so on and so on, but i'm german first" Bismark converted German from an ethnonym to a demonym. By the way I'm just a schlemiel goy

[@sporter527]

are you a furry

[@catmelvin997]

oh so cool its got the actress from succession finna watch this

[@chiour]

I fiddler on the roof , at 24:26 , the secound men from the left seems to be my grand father, (i was dealing about ihm because he initiate a pickle factory in france), this picture is not pogromist , thats the red army where he was volonteer ! id like to know where this picture come from. I have proof on the web it can be ihm, because other picture exists, even maybe the factory history.

[@larryolsen4422]

😊

[@victorvolobuev507]

Hmmm… maybe i should watch this.

[@_yiddishkeit]

Recommend for a light, funny, and heartwarming watch

[@victorvolobuev507]

Hershel was saved by an accidental drone strike.🤣

[@Asiago9]

I remember seeing an ad for this movie once, and I've wanted to watch the movie ever sense but never got around to it

[@KeeperOfSecrets-42069]

NGL I’m ignorant to Jewish stuff.

[@DrAnarchy69]

I never heard this distinction. Ever since becoming an Anarchist my U.S. citizenship has come to mean nothing to me while being an Ashkenazi Jew means everything. So I’ll be using U.S. American Jew from now on

[@bigol9223]

Lol

[@Erucus]

Omfg

[@dirtcache6128]

Typical Jew

[@OddWoz]

American Jew vs Jewish American is entirely up to the individual… neither are a problem as far as I’m concerned. What IS the problem is when there’s an Israeli allegiance hidden in there and it supersedes the American allegiance. That’s nothing more than an Israeli Jew that’s located in America-not an American. A religion doesn’t absolve someone from being a traitor just as it doesn’t _make them_ a traitor. It’s just another facet. Judaism is religion, Zionism is politics.

[@shaydowsith348]

Jewish is more than a religion. It is a family.

[@OddWoz]

@@shaydowsith348 that’s still just religion-a “family”or religious community is not unique to Judaism. You can mess with the semantics but everything I said still stands.

[@FirstNameLastName-lk3ng]

Accusing us of dual loyalty. Classic antisemitism. Why shouldn't we want to help our brethren in the Middle East? Why does that all of a sudden make us "traitors"? There's more to being an American than foreign aid policy. Most Jews don't vote for the next president _only_ thinking about how s/he will treat Israel; we also think about domestic policies, the economy, social rights, etc. Does wanting the U.S. to aid an ally make you a traitor? What about if we have no relation to a country, like Ukraine? I am only connected to that country in that my father was born and raised there, but I was not raised to love or feel any connection to it. I want the U.S. to aid Ukraine because Russia is an absolute threat to civilized society (invading its neighbor because it feels it has dominion there, despite the majority of the local population being against Russia, constantly spreading disinformation through social media, etc.) Am I a traitor for wanting to help Ukraine?

[@ryanfliegelman3166]

​@OddWoz your missing the point. Athiest Jews make up a large part of our family. Religion can be a part of being Jewish but isn't always. Equally Jews can be ethnically and culturally Jewish but identify with another religion. It's not semantics it's the difference between a religion and a ethno religion.

[@OddWoz]

@@ryanfliegelman3166 and you’re implying that it’s somehow different to other religions, like for example, atheists who grew up Christian? Judaism is simply another religion and religious tradition, period. You’re the one that’s not getting it. It’s very common that people of a particular faith believe theirs is “better”or “more” than others. It’s unfortunate that for so many, ethnocentrism and ethnosupremacy have been inseparable from their religion.

[@bearbeatsgorilla]

Goddless goyy here. I got recommended this video while learning about this while learning about the gates of Toledo. Weird. Free Palestine

[@Lagolop]

@bearbeatsgorilla Free plasticine. M0r0nic troll.

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

Odd and sick so many people who know nothing about the topic are willing to spout genocidal vomit like you just did You've earned your badge of ignorance

[@spicyshiba508]

You talk like this and wonder why we opened the gates?

[@bearbeatsgorilla]

@@spicyshiba508 I know why you opened the gates. But your probably right. Everyone was just wrong about you ...109 times. On behalf of we unclean gentiles I apologize.

[@spicyshiba508]

@@bearbeatsgorilla The victim mentality is crazy. We don’t hate you (unless you hate us, of course). And we opened the gates because Muslims didn’t treat us like dogs.

[@isaacshine1850]

4:22 Reminds me of the final chapter in Choni the circledrawer. 6:35 Oh yeah, I used to work in a retirement home, folks there would buy pickles from me. Despite the fact that I aint in the pickle buseniss. My line of work stereotypical in a whole other way: I am a linguist, and give legal advice in my spare time. 7:37 Claudia Roden mentions it in her Book of Jewish Food; Her grandfather emigrated to NYC and peddled Simits*. Appearantly the job was so tedious, he re-migrated back to Egypt. *A thin doughnut shaped bread,covered in its entirety in sesame seeds, also called 'Beigelach'.

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

Being an amateur linguist amongst nursing home residents must be fascinating, selling pickles also.