JF-17 Thunder Vs F-16 Viper BVR Dogfight | DCS World

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Time stamps:
0:00 Intro & Round 1
5:11 Round 2
8:08 Round 3
11:55 Round 4
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Hey guys.
In this ‪@EagleDynamicsTV‬ video im flying the jf17 Thunder against the F16 Viper in a BVR fight (Beyond Visual Range)
I got the SD10 and he has the AIM120 AMRAM.
Hope you guys enjoy!
I love playing simulators, i started with Arma 3 and then i saw DCS World. I also enjoy War Thunder , Battlefield , Ghost recon, Squad , Rome total war, Microsoft Flight Simulator and more. I also enjoy World War II games including il-2 In DCS World i found all the jets that i wanted to fly in a simulator the F 16 Viper , FA 18 Hornet , F 15 Eagle , A 10 Warthawg , SU 27 , Mig 29 , P 51 , Spitfire , AH 64 Apeche , Heuy and more... And if you will download MODs the options are endless: F 22 Raptor, SU 57 , A 4 Skyhawk , SR 71 Blackbird , Rafale, Gripen and the list goes on.
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[@LongShotChannel]

Hey guys. My Store: www.longshotstore.com/ Join me on Discord: discord.gg/drNE6bT In this Eagle Dynamics: Digital Combat Simulator video im flying the jf17 Thunder against the F16 Viper in a BVR fight (Beyond Visual Range) I got the SD10 and he has the AIM120 AMRAM. Hope you guys enjoy!

[@One-op8hf]

nice vid

[@seamuffin_]

Nice vid! You’re a great pilot

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks

[@InfraredSpace]

@@LongShotChannel nice video, atlast I like how much you have improved lately 🙂

[@syedmohsin30]

V Nice video Can u also try these fights in future? 1) J10C vs Rafale? 2) JF17 Block 3 vs Rafale? 3) JF17 Block 3 vs Su30? 4) J10C vs S400?

[@danielberger1378]

When you were getting those missiles in your face, that was scary and funny as hell at the same time. Reminded me instantly of the GS "I'll treat it like an AMRAAM and I should be safe" moment 🤣

[@LongShotChannel]

Lol

[@redssracer4153]

JF-17's RWR: "Missile, missile, missile, missile..." Longshot: "I hope I'm defending those missiles good enough..." A few moments later... JF-17's RWR: "Missile, missile, missile, missile..." Longshot: "That's really not good..."🤔 A few more moments later.... JF-17's RWR: "Missile, missile, missile, missile..." Longshot: "Oh, that's dangerous..."😮 Longshot, which is really most dangerous? 😏 Using an unfamiliar RWR to defend yourself with, or relying on Growling to out- fly a missile by out-rolling it??😁😁

[@benwelch4076]

Fun video had me laughing and wondering why you weren't cranking as hard as I thought you should have been. The result was what I expected and you gave the reason why you weren't cranking so hard. To me it seemed all the kills on both planes were the result on not being more aggressive on the defense. A great video on the merits of a good defense. Cheers to both you and Gainful22.

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you!

[@Algux]

I was thinking the same. The clue was in the constant "Missile Missile Missile" warning and I was like, crank Longshot crank.

[@thebrain7441]

To successfully go against an F-16 in a Jf-17 you need three things. 1. A top tier Jf-17 pilot 2. A mediocre F-16 pilot 3. A good amount of luck In essence, it’s simply an unfair match. The viper should completely dominate the fight (due to its speed and acceleration) and can choose when to engage/disengage. Same goes for the Hornet and Eagle. The Jf-17 is just too slow.

[@doubleugly1594]

The Jf-17's RWR display, or SA display is different from any other and is probably its highlighting feature, especially in BVR and even in ACM sometimes. The multi-directional sensors on the exterior will display what they are seeing on the RWR, showing you where a missile is in relations to you, no matter its guidance/seeker type. This means it can even detect and show the vector of things like Pitbull Fox-3's, fox-2's and MANPADS... The jet has some shortcomings but its the only jet in the sim with that feature as far as i know... (heres hoping the Apache fixes that, albeit for the helos)

[@kekistanimememan170]

But how can a fox 2 even show on RWR unless you mean it has a MAWS?

[@hphp31416]

@@kekistanimememan170 It shows all passive sensors fused on HSD screen

[@moistmike4150]

AWESOME!! Great vids! I find BVR combat even scarier than gunfights. It's like a shark attack - you can't see it and you just get that feeling in your gut when you've made a mistake and are just praying the it won't find you.

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks, and sound about right

[@brianwaldo2642]

The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

[@LongShotChannel]

Yeah, that one

[@joeyravage4798]

Which is not really the definition of insanity. It is an example of insanity. Damned Einstein.....

[@getsideways7257]

@@joeyravage4798 Wrong, that is an example of stupidity. Insanity is not necessarily stupid - it's just *different*

[@joeyravage4798]

@@getsideways7257 not wrong at all. Einstein's rhetorical whim accidentally has had people falsely claiming this as the DEFINITION of insanity, which it clearly is not. Now, if want to call Einstein's example incorrect, that is another issue and I will agree with you.

[@getsideways7257]

@@joeyravage4798 Yes, it was the latter. I wasn't even aware Einstein uttered something like that. Then again, some of his other statements can also make one ponder whether Einstein was really as bright as he's given the abundance of credit for.

[@Peterax788]

That second round death scared the heck out of me 😂😂😂

[@kabirali8988]

Like how you think out loud during the fight, really helps in understanding the reasoning and adds to the experience 👌. Keop the cool vids coming

[@Joe474Joe]

That cockpit voice is so soooooothing.

[@LongShotChannel]

Yup, i like it

[@Jr-uh2so]

@@LongShotChannel Too soothing perhaps. I can’t help but wonder if the tone was a little more “urgent”, would you have defended differently and survived those missiles? haha.

[@darkshadow7709]

That some very creative/risky BVR strategies. Always entertaining and learn something new from your videos. Keep up the work LS!

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks buddy. Cheers

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

Thanks LS! That was great that you kept trying your tactics to see how well they work. IMO more defense on those incoming Fox 3s over radar lock.

[@jaydenblain3599]

You have to maintain lock until the "toa: xx:xx" timer reaches 0 then it turns to tof. Toa is time of activation. Before it activates it relies on your radar for tracking. Also the small dot that hovers around the enemy on your hud is you aim point. That's the direction you should launch the missile to be most effective. Otherwise the missile wastes energy turning towards the target. There's also a button to uncage the heat seeker head and it auto slaves to radar for dogfight mode.

[@isaaccoote2874]

Another interesting video Longshot. Thanks for my first daily dose of DCS!

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks buddy

[@michaelcarrier4374]

The JF-17 is a good looking jet.

[@reway8750]

From the top it looks good but not the side

[@JohnsonShoreInnHermanville]

Blowed up real good! Thanks!

[@felipexlr50]

In the first missile launch, if you pitch 30 degree angle, you make the SD-10 loft pretty high, in 30 nm range can get in the target with more that 2 mach

[@seamuffin_]

Nice vid! Looking forward to future content

[@paez4779]

This was interesting... I'd like to see more of these two head to head

[@ondrejs1741]

Dont forget to loft yr SD’s. They’ll loft if you pitch up the jeff at least 8° i think. Optimal is 25° - 30° from my experience, so the missile wont lost that much energy turning up.

[@LongShotChannel]

Good to know, thanks

[@hawkeye3573]

Keep this up you'll be at 50k in no time! love the vid bro!

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you!

[@saltzen961]

Love your spirit of exploration . That's called a learning curve . If you're "learning" fast ? It's called an explosive learning curve :)

[@stanwolford9743]

Round #2 was a serious jump scare! Great vid.

[@LongShotChannel]

Lol, thanks, and sorry.. lol

[@Tirah5]

Going right into the direction of the missile head on is always a good strategy

[@nicolaisen1]

Good stuff! BVR is great for weapons and systems capabilities. However, cannot beat a good old fashioned fur ball where that pilot sh*t is crucial.

[@ryz_vik]

And of course, the pure raw power of the engine for rate fighting.

[@orangejuice7376]

7:45 scared the sht out of me😂

[@danielberger1378]

Same 🤣

[@h00vy82]

I’m surprised you didn’t fall asleep with those RWR Callouts

[@reload54]

that 4K looks amazing

[@disciple16]

The round 2 missile to your face made me jump, lol. I've been shot.

[@LongShotChannel]

🤣

[@ozahmed4523]

I feel like its an American air force pilot flying a stolen PAF Plane. They should make a movie about it! lol

[@whatsyours6424]

The definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results ... Something like that ☺️

[@abdulhaadisworld6140]

What range were you firing the fox 3 from and was it jf 17 block 1 or 2 ?

[@basicforge]

"I'm gonna turn the other way and see if I can bleed. . ." bang! KIA. What, no chaff??

[@Ashkan-vx7sp]

Love those nervous laughters 😂

[@AlyxMSC]

Never played DCS but that has to be the scariest deathin this genre

[@f22rhaptor]

I jumped from my chair when you get splashed the first time lol

[@LongShotChannel]

lol, yeah, me too.

[@user-wf7gp4es5i]

I wanna see F16V VS. J10C dogfight!!! TKS!!!

[@welltell.]

The theory of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[@Uselessnoobcow]

Any reason why you don’t crank from the offset? Preventing the bandit from launching at you and lobbing a missile on your terms - can often get a high Pk missile as the first missile with an offensive crank

[@getsideways7257]

Somehow it looks weird. I know you are running ReShade, but... is there also Nvidia Image Scaling in action here? Even choosing 4K doesn't help and it wasn't like this before...

[@jonathanmcauliffe784]

You seem to do more bvr than GS so I’ll ask you… can you do a video of the f35 mod in a bvr engagement? Would be interesting to see how it is compared to the f22

[@ozahmed4523]

Good pilot skills!

[@DerekWilsonProgrammer]

Why did you take the DL pod? That's just for the AKG. If you want a datalink, tune radio 2 to 199 and establish the link with 'mast' mode.

[@abdulmoeez2633]

Great flying L.S

[@w0mblemania]

Going cold... :p

[@umarchaudhry8953]

Nice video

[@onlygaming8106]

7:46 scared the sh*t out of me

[@user-yp9nz6bs9q]

Annealing, tempering: hardening something by heat treatment

[@Markbell73]

That was some good back and forth there. You got him. He got you. You got him. He got you. Good stuff. Seems Jeff likes to take it in the face. G.S. should fly Jeff more. He likes to take it in the face too.

[@hippoace]

quite an even fight

[@UmerDarazZ]

Awesome 👍🏻😎

[@isaacrothman6522]

Are you running any visual mods? I have everything maxed out in graphics settings but feel like my DCS doesn't look as good as yours. Maybe just because I spend more time close to the ground in helos

[@LongShotChannel]

Reshade

[@isaacrothman6522]

@@LongShotChannel cheers

[@yifanzhao4572]

Why do you have a datalink pod on the jet? You don't fire those TV cruise missiles in a air to air fight.

[@342Rodry]

jumpscare alert at 2nd round

[@pillboxbunker6735]

Well, you take your name to your tactics....."LongShot"......

[@LongShotChannel]

lol, i try

[@AdventuresWithRandR]

I know KIA meant killed in action but i almost thought it was a Kia car pun for a second

[@PolarBearSeal]

May I ask why you're carrying a data link pod?

[@toxickilljoy9037]

Love the aural warnings in the Jeff. Definately isn't a bitching Betty, way too calm and collected. More like a suggestive Sharon.

[@jamesd4013]

great video......WAMMY

[@LycanrocNight]

Longshot pentagon is hiring

[@tonyrun5802]

*jeff*

[@edwardzhang5142]

Mah name is jeff

[@frightfulbuffalo7081]

His name is Jeff.

[@anubhav2005]

Love from India

[@777iamhere5]

Jf 17 block 3 with PL 15 and PL 10 missiles

[@nubbyg9096]

My name is jef

[@kenhelmers2603]

Ok, gotta ask, what was learned? :) Thanks LS!

[@LongShotChannel]

lol, to not push my luck

[@user-yp9nz6bs9q]

You can't learn if you don't experiment.

[@jathiyakhan720]

Su 27 vs f15 bvr please also please dont use r37 it's too good

[@kalactose348]

Why does the engine shut off when cranking?

[@Hangar-zu8xg]

its just the afterburner

[@dawnstone8407]

It would be nice to see the man behind the controls. Just sayin

[@jackaut9858]

hi mate rly enjoyed the video, i was hoping if you can do a jf 17 vs f16 dogfight and btw i came to know that pakistanis has f 16s but they are pretty old if you can do a video on how much capable those are what are their conditions/

[@anonymousanonymous7959]

Those are block 52 and all others are Mlu upgraded. They are not old enough

[@jackaut9858]

@@anonymousanonymous7959 but they aint getting any spares from america

[@anonymousanonymous7959]

@@jackaut9858 who told you that ?

[@jackaut9858]

@@anonymousanonymous7959 bcs they are sanctioned by USA and are not getting more f16s

[@reway8750]

@@jackaut9858 Why

[@TheEfetzis]

Why no one deploys chaff during these defensive manoeuvres? Wouldn't they help?

[@LongShotChannel]

I do deploy cheff

[@tubingview3251]

Please cut in some opfor scenes to see the effect of your strategy. And theirs. Thanks.

[@LongShotChannel]

I appreciate the feedback, ill see what i can do

[@shaunguo1165]

Why are you carrying the datalink pod, you should use the jamming pod for better SA. Datalink pod is only used for the AKG cruise missile

[@769conde]

See if I can....BOOOM :D lol

[@tenomoto6951]

The SD 10 is so brooken after the last update just watch the tacview and watch the spped from the SD and after his watch a old tacview from 2021

[@MelioraCogito]

_"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."_ -Albert Einstein

[@pakamericanlove]

Try jf blk 3.

[@ayosh6856]

It's not stupid if it works.... 😄

[@dawoodminhas99]

You video end tell who is best

[@mitchellgraber9448]

Is that GLaDOS?

[@TheGoddamnBacon]

LOL

[@gauden7785]

Score 2-2, JF-17 can win against F-16 Viper, although it has lower technology. JF-17 is a kind of export version, PLA does not use it.

[@187a3]

PLA has different requirements although they still fly some J7s which is based on MIG21 JF17 block 3 is way ahead of MIG21 but i think PLA is more focused on stealth fighter jet programmes

[@taro16]

It's basically devolved for Pakistani air force. So PAC Kamra in Pakistan is developing them up to block 3. Pakistan has whole squadron of JF in their airforce and they are adding more of them in March.

[@kaiezesi6630]

Eggggsallleeenttt

[@tomas7158]

If you fail then try and try again.

[@StevieTheBush]

BVR has nothing to do with dogfights...

[@MrDino1953]

Why do you say “defending a missile” when you’re actually defending yourself AGAINST that missile? Seems like a stupidly inverted expression to me.

[@LongShotChannel]

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