Dogfights: JF-17 Thunder Vs The WORLD (Vid 1 of 2) | DCS WORLD

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[@milvipes]

Not surprised that F-16 reigns supreme at WVR, although if you guys were more familiar with the controls of JF-17, you might have done slightly better.

[@faizannabi7540]

Lol its not the jet its the pilot lol...

[@PegasusTenma1]

@@faizannabi7540 5th Gen jets would beg to differ. Try flying an F-18 and engage an F-22 starting BVR and see how it turns out lol

[@justarandom2330]

@@faizannabi7540 as he is saying, "if you guys were more familiar with the controls of JF-17, you might have done slightly better.", he means that the pilots weren't too familiar with the controls, meaning the piltos are a bit worse

[@zaidyounas1602]

Block 3 JF-17 is equipped with the state of the art PL15 missiles can compete head to head with 5th gen aircrafts whilst being a 4.5 gen aircraft. 🔥

[@venome447]

No, it can't compete 5th Gen fighters. 5th Gen is a different league.

[@SHK-SPORTS11]

@@venome447 In being stealthy sure, but the rest is covered by a 4.5 Gen fighter such as Block 3, with its AESA radars, IRST, EW, and BVR with PL15s etc.

[@amorosogombe9650]

The JF-17 is turning out to be a pretty competent fighter.

[@PegasusTenma1]

It is surprisingly. Gave me some trouble in the F-16 at WVR, especially since the pilot seemed really competitive. It’s a dangerous machine in the right (or should I say wrong) hands

[@HassanAmin77]

Not surprising, JF-17 the new dog on the block is now a real competitor against top fighter jets of the world !

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

Meh, Being about 30 years younger, it might have some advantages over other 4th gen Fighters + it's very cheap, but that's pretty much it. It's been on sale for over a decade now, yet they've build fewer than 200 of them. That's worse than the Saab Gripen. The Chinese definitely don't seem to want it and most other (potential) customers seem to be so dodgy, not even the French would sell them a MRCA in 2020. Last but not least, most info (and thus modelling-data) on it is from China, Pakistan or it's buddies - sources far less reliable than actual combat statistics.

[@syedshamsulhassantrimzi4268]

@@HauntedXXXPancake well its competitor is Indias tejas LCA and with 16 prototypes and 16 fighters made they are well behind btw tejas prjct was started 10 yrs before jf and jf got mayanmar pakistan and Nigeria as costumers unlike tejas

[@syedshamsulhassantrimzi4268]

@@HauntedXXXPancake its blk 3 is 4+ gen and tens of countries are w8ing for it btw pakistan upgraded its blk 1 to blk2 standards and also made 8 duel seater version too with order of 8 more

[@TheZippaduppa]

its not competitor against TOP fighters.

[@syedshamsulhassantrimzi4268]

@@TheZippaduppa yes it is cuz its value for money eg pl15 missile triple axis fbw aesa radar of j10c,lighter and stealthier airframe with more composite new weapon station under chin ,wide angle HUD of j20,modified RD93MA engine,HMD latestEW suit and wide variety of weopens can be mounted including wester ones

[@schweizerluchs7146]

Aww the JF-17 Thunder looks soooo gooooooood😍

[@learn_networking1]

Yes indeed... Block 3 is even more effective....

[@schweizerluchs7146]

@@learn_networking1uhm

[@schweizerluchs7146]

@Chengxin Duan yea well if India gets the Meteor for the Dessault Rafale, the JF-17 is pretty much dead meat.

[@changeyourselffirst8812]

@@schweizerluchs7146 hahahahaha actually i am worry not feared cz ndians are gonna kill themselves with those meteors .... oh poor mi15....

[@fakharhaider6269]

India WILL get the meteor for Rafale, and Pakistan already has PL-15 for the AESA JEFF.. so we cool...

[@liausdhfsdgfgf]

so jeff’s not so good on taming the falcon but f18, F4s ,F5s ,MiG29 n the likes are jeff’s bunnies 🤔 The guys at PAC and CAC are saying that the block 3 is gonna match the falcon viper.. i got my money on jeff when the block 3 comes along

[@chick5708]

jeff is good You can also fight with it😜😜😜🤪🤪

[@venome447]

What gives Viper the Superiority, is its engine. Wish Jeff had a better engine than the current one.

[@Sam-fp6in]

I’m a simple man. I see a tomcat, I click it

[@bradorem2262]

The tomcat is the 🐐 of aircraft sir such an awesome craft such a shame it was decommissioned due to budget cuts.

[@leeedwards234]

Me too

[@rundownaxe]

@@bradorem2262 I am sad to hear that it doesn't fly anymore.

[@gattmawer3030]

@@bradorem2262 it was decommissioned because it made no sense, or at least stopped making it much before.

[@shadowguardian3612]

Idk iran has at least few of them

[@NefariousKoel]

Cap forgetting how to activate guns in a dogfight vid is as reliable as the sunrise. Always worth some comedy.

[@grimreapers]

lols

[@ethanhatcher5533]

Tale as old as time

[@ozmo69]

FIrst 2 would have been easy JF wins as well . Ur gun was not loaded he flew infront of u 2 times.

[@tflashtube]

The Jef is such a nice addition to DCS!

[@DevelopingPak]

Looking forward.....

[@subrajitdey3514]

It's a game not a real thing 😂

[@muhammadhassan4781]

@@subrajitdey3514 27 February, 2019 was real ;)

[@abdullahkhanniazi4092]

yeh to hoga!!!

[@abdullahkhanniazi4092]

bhai 2014 se aap ko follow kar raha hon

[@alwayssmile1778]

@@subrajitdey3514 u thing that is an official page? lol

[@jodijaanify]

i am proud that we make JF17 Thunder...block 3 is out...being inducted by PAF in a couple of months...it is a whole new beast...tons of upgrades..4.5 gen fighter..

[@udayjp]

Jodi Jaan still you'd to send F16s procured from USA for anti terrorist activities, as against you used it against BALAKOT! says a lot keep calm!

[@mohammadmohtasham5216]

@@udayjp we have used JF17s for terrorist bombings as well :)

[@WaqasAhmad-je9dn]

Tea was Fantastic 😍👌

[@udayjp]

@@mohammadmohtasham5216 sssh koi sun na le, mazak ho jayega...Woh bhi kya hona baki hai?

[@udayjp]

@@WaqasAhmad-je9dn kaha par chai pi cpec par?

[@geekengr]

JF-17 is a real deal now.

[@michaeldenesyk3195]

Cap's missile shot did not guide because of the Minimum distance.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@davebaker581]

Cap = A Guy who knows little about a lot...

[@irememberjeepz]

Cap you made me so proud in that second F-16 fight. Haha. Good show.

[@grimreapers]

yay!

[@IndependentVFX]

This is EPIC! I love the camera angles in that dogfight

[@Knightfang1]

JF’s RD-93 engine is the same as the Mig-29’s RD-33 just with the gearbox moved so it will fit in the JF

[@venome447]

With higher Max Thrust.

[@frogisis]

This little jet is insane, it's so much fun

[@armaanpasha2438]

> I'm doing this for India! Wait, don't let Jeff hear that. He gets upset. /s Love the video.

[@moheedsyed7278]

If the JF17 can fight like that in real life which it probably can, then that is an absolute phenomenal fighter because of its price tag of just 25 million! That's one heck of a fighter!!

[@hanswolfgangmercer]

I really enjoyed the format of this video. It's pretty fun to watch the dogfight in third person camera with the view locked on the opponent like this..

[@mohammadmohtasham5216]

31 indians did not like this video,,,,

[@ashirtoor6497]

@Ef Kae agreed .

[@Anuj-2]

But I liked

[@JoyP09]

Lol those 31 were from Pakistani airforce. They know how it actually performs in real life 😆

[@Anuj-2]

@@JoyP09 Right

[@howto7868]

@@JoyP09 hahaha your Tejas isn’t even battle proven and the jf 17 is the only example of bvr engagement in a actual dog fight when your abhinandan getting shot down😂😂😂💩💩💩

[@thomasrouse3826]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for! Thanks Cap & Reapers.

[@musakhan_19]

Love the JF-17! I really am a fan of it! Here in Pakistan day and night they are flying! I live near the airport and it feels so good to hear their loud noise. So glad to see this become a part of DCS now! Looking forward to some cool GR missions with the it!

[@sikandaralam7399]

J17 war tested 2019 ,27feb

[@indraadi]

By running away from Mirages

[@upsidedown.96]

@@indraadi by destroying mirages

[@SatyamKumar-sn9od]

And iaf mig-21 bison shot paf f-16.

[@upsidedown.96]

@@SatyamKumar-sn9od you still believe on your media 🤣🤣🤣

[@SatyamKumar-sn9od]

@@upsidedown.96 wing commander abhi is a pilot from indian Air force not a media repoter. Lol😂

[@predattak]

Yes the modern missiles are very very good at not taking the flare bait. If an 9x or a fox 2 from JF is fired at you and it tracks ... it will hit you 90% of times. What was proven to work in DCS is not to flare after the missile is fired but before. If you manage to dump a good amount of flares (not one or two) right before the missile leaves the pylon it has much bigger chances to take the bait.

[@jonyjony971]

the tea was fantastic🤣🤣😂

[@einsaan]

That first dog fight tho.... MAN!!!! Awesome.

[@BigBrother4Life]

OMG! guys , you are great. I really enjoyed it. JF17 is a good fighter and that's first time I've seen a JF in action in a dog fight in a virtual world. Keep it up. From Pakistan. Could you also do a JF Vs. Rafale?

[@InXLsisDeo]

The Rafale won't be modeled on DCS World, like all 4.5 and 5th generation fighters. Too strategic to give their secrets away.

[@Deepakyadav-jk5km]

Its be like donkey-cart vs Lamborghini

[@n0nac481]

@@Deepakyadav-jk5km lmao the donkey cart that is better than f-18, f-15, f-5, f-14, and even going to become better than f-16 in dogfighting with block 3 for half the price? Keep on dreaming. Continue to destroy your economy by killing and marginalizing your huge muslim, dalit, and christian population so that Pakistan will get ahead in the next 20 years lol. Oh and when your 40 year old tejas project fails then give Macron or Putin a call to give you their jets because you cant make any.

[@sidv4615]

@@n0nac481 did Pakistan make Jeff on it’s own?

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

@@Deepakyadav-jk5km The PAF did an excercise with Qatar I believe, recently and they have Rafales so we know about Rafales inside out :)

[@omgsam7185]

"I can see the ice cap melting behind that thing!" I laughed my ass off on that. The RD 93A is gassy as ever.

[@saqibsultantemuri2437]

great dog fights! Can't wait to see Jeff in Action!

[@hassan-gk3wt]

13.50 the missiles pass by 😍🤩🤩

[@aison2735]

You seem unfamiliar with the controls of this aircraft

[@omgsam7185]

yeah. thats what they were saying throughout i guess. its a good craft, but they are still learning it since there are like only 45 tutorial videos of it XD

[@rickstorm8948]

I would climb after passing one another at merge. JF is good and sharp.

[@ahsamullahkhan3925]

The USAF based tomcats and eagles are extremely great jets. As a pakistani, i would say its not as good as the newer jets of the time BUT it's getting better and better by time. Jf 17 is extremely lethal now but can definitely improve alot. Inshallah, it will make pakistanis proud just as the f 16s and tomcats and a10s make Americans really proud. I cannot stop but admire the a10s and tomcats, they're literally amazing. I had sweared to god if the pakistani airforce had bought a few a 10s i would have packed the bags and would have set off for the risalpur base. A10s are love ❤

[@kamraniqbal5183]

thank u guys, thank u Cap, it was an amazing and equally good competition.

[@tommydavidson5183]

Can you recreate historical dogfights? There is a History Channel video where they discuss the Duke Cunningham/Willy Driscoll Vietnam event in a U.S. Navy F-4 where they encounter and shoot down 3 MiG-17s in a day,but in the 3rd encounter they run into a superbly skilled pilot that instead of running goes vertical and engages them thru multiple rolling scissors before they basically pull the Top Gun braking move to force an overshoot and eventually putting a Sidewinder on him. They get hit by an SA-2 during their egress and are forced to stick with the plane until they got out over the water to eject and get rescued. I wanna see what that looks like with this kind of HD realism.

[@NidoKhan1000]

This should be pretty great idea

[@onlygaming8106]

Do more of these dogfight i really love watching them

[@waseem-yk7dd]

You will love block 3 with addition of aesa radar, more composite materials, upgraded engine and pl-15

[@MorganMR2]

"please don't sonic boom me" Burnt Face Man (for the plebs and kiddies who don't know)

[@grimreapers]

Someone got it!! x

[@VAPOURIZE100]

Remember guys this is just block 1 variant wait till they make block 2 available for DCS 😍😍👌🏼 also we have block 2B now with twin seater version.. block 3 is being tested as we speak we can surely see it in pakistani skies by March 2020 PAF Zindabad 🇵🇰

[@abbzmalik538]

Love the JF17

[@conservativemike3768]

When an F-20 and F-16I get together after a few too many drinks at the O-Club.

[@PHILMKD95]

My name's Jeff Sorry i just had to XD

[@PashtoNaat.]

Hahaha Amazing

[@ahsamullahkhan3925]

Hahahahahaha i swear i went for the same

[@adnank4]

Waiting for JF-17 Block 3 with AESA Radar.

[@Seba-v7x]

I love how Jeff keeps beeping as long as the target is locked.

[@johnbrady7431]

Really good. Great job GR with some furball action!

[@jerrodcorey25]

1st Tomcat pilot was EMBARRASSINGLY BAD!!!!

[@Scoobydcs]

lol

[@mohsinalibutt8123]

Some guys flying in JF17 were using it for the first time...and some even did not know where the buttons are...

[@TheDM3002XTuber]

They should enter the fight in the optimal turn speed. In the vid in one go's super fast and the other more or less at optimal turn speed. Gives funny results...

[@Art-mv8ti]

Jf 17 block 3 best dog fighter

[@Rebellious1984]

Funniest part... Do we have a A-10 available here. GR: No, they take too long to get to the Battlefield @17:15

[@AthenaSaints]

22:22 F-16 has been around since I was a kid. Cannot believe it is still kicking some serious a$$.

[@WaqasAhmad-je9dn]

Played honestly in the last. . Appreciate

[@greggaunt1563]

Loved that second F14 dogfight.

[@richieismyhero]

I wonder how a fight between the F20 tigershark and the JF17 would turn out?

[@OverlordAntares]

F-20 was near an F-16's turning ability, so just have an F-16 fight it.

[@onenerdarmy]

Lighter than F-16 but similar energy kinematics. F-20 a little less gas which helps with ACM but hurts dogfight endurance. Less frontal drag than F-16, smaller profile, so potentially superior acceleration in a number of flight regimes. An F-20 with the Super Hornet F414 would be a really potent weapon however, as that extra 4,300 lbs of thrust is almost an entire J85's worth of extra power, and a J85 is what our DCS F-5E has. Would be a rocket.

[@sheevpalpatine80]

@Zayed Haroon One can say the Gripen is the spiritual successor to the F-20, being a low cost plane powered by a derivative of the same engine.

[@jackroutledge352]

Zayed Haroon what are the differences between the blocks? Weapons?

[@huzairmumtaz10]

@@jackroutledge352 many upgrades to the plane, including AESA radar, HMD, RD93 might be replaced with a Chinese engine and few more changes

[@sufianansari4923]

Top marks guys - great piloting from all of you!

[@WaqasAhmad-je9dn]

Most of the time jf lost is because of pilot mistakes.

[@guirohden]

IKR they barely knew how to fly it, didn't do it justice.

[@mianasifgul]

JF-17, tested and proven a spetacular war machine. very cool aircraft.

[@Rhinozherous]

It would be nice to see a "Grim Reapers react to Topgun 2 trailer" video!

[@richieismyhero]

I was just thinking the same

[@armughansohail3351]

@@richieismyhero do it

[@BCSchmerker]

+GrimReapersAtomic *I noticed that none of the Aggressor pilots chose the McDonnellDouglas F-15C or the Sukhoi-27M.* The CAC/PAC JF-17 broke even against the Lockheed Martin F-16C and the Avions Marcel Dassault Breguet Mirage 2000; had the advantage on the McDonnellDouglas F-18C, Grumman Iron Works F-14B, and Mikojan-Gurjevich-29P.

[@nicholash3657]

Hello Cap! I have just downloaded DCS and I am new to flight sims. Thanks to you (and GS) I found this game and have been dying to play it for a while now. I built a new computer and I’m wondering what it takes to flying with you guys if that’s possible. Ty for your videos I enjoy them a lot keep it up!

[@bjwonsite]

head to our website - www.grimreapers.net and follow the link to discord and you can then come fly in our servers and get to know us all.

[@ghostviggen]

What it takes? What is your soul worth? 😉

[@nicholash3657]

[GR] Obi Thanks I’ll hopefully be all set up soon!

[@Aardvark892]

Why use missiles at all? Guns, Guns, Guns, baby! Wait... Never mind. Now that I watched it I get it.

[@WaqasAhmad-je9dn]

Tea was Fantastic 😍 👍 for all. 😂😂

[@biswajitchakraborty1870]

HASSAN SIDDIQUI replied, Sorry.

[@indraadi]

72 hoors were even better😁😁

[@indraadi]

@tdot22 not all of the 18% but to those who glorify Invaders and consider themselves Arabs.

[@indraadi]

@tdot22 there were no Aryan invasion,read the history.It was concocted by the British to divide and rule India.

[@SatyamKumar-sn9od]

Yes just like mig-21 kill

[@AllinOne-zx7wj]

So its not only the jet but pilot also matters

[@Merkaba954]

Tomcat iit's such an iconic plane I sooo love even if top gun didn't exist

[@casnub5484]

@Blackbirdz2000 true..

[@DudemeisterNL]

@Blackbirdz2000 I'm a huge Tomcat fan but it's TWR was only 0.88

[@MeatVision]

Fun video, great content Cap

[@alexbuss3377]

You should have pilots of equal skill level flying the planes they’re best in. Because no tomcat pilot goes below 250 knots in a dogfight.

[@exiletsj2570]

Not really fair considering the jefs been out 10 minutes, alsoI’m sure the jef pilots made lots of errors.

[@AhmedMujtabaChang]

It was ridiculous to see Jef at 400+ knots and Tomcat at 250 knots when they merged

[@Ash-qc9os]

28:32 The voice in the JF sounds like the AI voice in Pacific Rim.

[@gigas27]

What a blast. Great video

[@rocketknight228]

Guys, try to disengage efc of j17, you will be surprised: 25-29 deg/sec turn is possible within 250-300kn. And never drop below 180-200kn.

[@grimreapers]

wow that's amazing!

[@rocketknight228]

@@grimreapers UPDATE: looks like the anvantage had been removed in last update, is better now to have efc on)

[@cmdrhudson]

Unlucky Cap was to buisy with hitting the right button! 😢😙

[@skullcracker9359]

I'm so much impressed with JF-17

[@AtiqueWaghani]

JF17 is a joint venture between China and Pakistan. Moreover a Pakistani Fighter Jet which was designed and hustled from prototype to final finish stage by Pakistani Engineers from PAF. Pakistan owns 52% while China owns 48% of it. It’s also marketed jointly. JF means Joint Fighter.

[@GGoblin1]

Intersting reading - the JF-17 is an evolution of the MiG-21 and the Chengdu J-7 (itself a MiG-21 Chinese reverse engineered copy). The initial JF-17 development program was headed by the Chinese, Americans (Grumman) & Pakistan. The Americans pulled out of it. It's an interesting fighter - very cheap - so countries with a low defence budget can field a relatively modern fighter. A detailed write-up can be found here - bit.ly/34HzVuQ

[@sultanmehmoodghaznavi6312]

Half of your info is wrong. Americans did pulled out. It was a Super-7 project. It got scrapped in 80s. PAF and China started again from SCRATCH on PAF request. F-16 IS FROM 70s. JF-17 is from 2000. Its just block 3 now while F-16 is block 70+. As compared to F-16, fail ratio is very low on JF-17 during testing of new blocks. F-16 crashed countless times during testing. F16 is the most sexy, agile and beautiful jet made by mankind. It is an inspiration for JF-17. PAF world class F-16 pilots made it on Chinese plants. See the interviews of project manager of JF-17 Air Marshal Shahid Lateef. Mig and J-7 got nothing to do with JF-17. Its some Endian propaganda bullshit.

[@muhammadsaad8634]

Indians thinking where the fuck is Tejas ?? 🤣🤣

[@arslanarshadali2878]

Indians looking for burnol!! Well no tejas for DCS.. you can keep them from food panda!

[@kiingAli]

superb got yourself a new subscriber

[@malix74]

Great video Cap - really enjoyed it. Thank you

[@thepakistantimeswithfarooq1105]

it was gr8 to watch a dogfight. no matter what was the result or who was the pilot. simply gr8.🖒🖒

[@kibathemechanic4967]

I would think that the smoky engine, I assume an RD-33, would be a disadvantage for the JF-17(Jeff)?

[@Muhammadsalman-hl4ks]

Yes, jf17 in disadvantage bcoz its engine

[@jowenjv4463]

Rd-93

[@uzairkhokhar7145]

this issue has been resolved in newer blocks

[@samakun6461]

idk why they have used that engine in dcs because even the real jf block 1 is getting engine replacement and the 2nd block didnt have smoke prob

[@jodijaanify]

block 3 is out..no more smoke.

[@waliahmedpk]

Its not the gun but the heart behind it.

[@MegaAdam747]

It got better missiles recently and the block 3 jf17 will soon be inducted in Pakistan air force which has got aesa radar Helmet mounted display and better payload

[@garymyers6638]

Cut speed at merge. Hard turn, burner on. Fire

[@SM_Fato]

That looks simple and effective

[@OverlordAntares]

Hornet pilots weren't doing that at all. They'd merge at Mach 1, and then get out turned. Never merge too high above your corner speed.

[@garymyers6638]

Russell Johnson if I was burner on and doing Mach point something, rather than trying to chop speed, I'd blast on through and get distance and then change it from a turning game to a speed thing. In the time it takes the other fighter to get turned I could be several miles down range with a usable cushion for a turn and fire dead on with misses and bullets or get down behind a mountain or hide in a cloud or something else. Getting time to manage the encounter wisely can help to overcome technical or mechanical superiority. All this was was an exercise in high speed turning.

[@OverlordAntares]

@@AlbertZiegler069 Gary Myers says it right. Keep on moving forward for a mile or two, then turn 180 and come for a head on pass. Also, going vertical is a great way to bleed speed and turn back around. It also gives you room to use your altitude for energy if need be.

[@ArsalanChattha]

33:04 I'm doing this for India XD

[@asphalt325]

Umm.. He actually shot down a Falcon.. So did Abhinandan #SECONDPILOT

[@billyb501stlegion5]

Allaced the aviator only indians believe that no confirmation by international community #wherearesatteliteimages

[@afridimo]

@@asphalt325 Your claim just like the Indian propoganda is Completelu BS! Care to share Any shread of evidence! allaxced The Aviator facebook.com/1712347125475907/posts/2596516787058932/

[@alanOHALAN]

really enjoy the video! big fan of the JF-17 here.

[@grimreapers]

Same here!

[@kenreckless9845]

Adding helmet mounted sights and modern Fox 2s would make these BFM serials much, much quicker...

[@danishbegmirza]

JF-17 Block 3 with AESA Radar and HMCS will be quite a nightmare for other dog fighters.

[@udayjp]

Mirza Danish Beg dream on beggars over chinese low-tech

[@danishbegmirza]

@@udayjp And what would you have, loser?

[@danishbegmirza]

@@udayjp This "low tech" jet has seen both air and ground combat.... In a real environment.....

[@14nm12]

超魔改版mig21，最后的也是最强的二代机

[@atifyousaf952]

Oh the tea is fantastic

[@PashtoNaat.]

JF is looking so much better than others

[@kibathemechanic4967]

26:47 That line is gold! I couldn't make it out, but what did Chicken say to elicit such a fantastic retort?

[@malangi31]

Well Thunder made it to DCS soon Blk3 would also be rendered...these comments are technically about blk 1....having said that...No matter what Indian propagandists media spews TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL

[@strikerone814]

Jeff Jeff Jeff I love that Bird

[@sishfaq8957]

Hope to see jf 17 blk 3 in action soon and then again we can have a combat again.. waiting

[@sultanmehmoodghaznavi6312]

WoW! Loved it!

[@ayazahmed5685]

Its not about techbology..its about professionalism...Pakistani pilot's showed the world thier class...They shot dow. Israelis in 1967 1973 from migs..They shotvdown soviet's and specialty indians are thier favourite's..

[@KK-px4hh]

The engine smoke problem of jf17 has been solved by pakistani engineers and no more smoke now. Block 3 is coming with newer higher thrust rd93m engine, mach 2 top speed, aesa radar, better targeting pod, better long range missiles, helmet mounted targeting system, quad fly by wire control, single large mfd, better EW suit, lower rcs, voice commands and much more. It will be a force to recon with when it will be launched in its price range.

[@ricardobornman1698]

LOL! Nothing to see here! The flames coming out of the jet is a feature.

[@Skyfighter64]

I am honestly surprised how badly the Hornet did, but only partially. I've read interviews with Top Gun aggressors, who say that the instantaneous turn rate of the Hornet is good, but you can't park it in a 3G turn and stay there like you could on some other aircraft (I think the hotrod A-4's they used).