JFK Controller Raises a foreign pilot. REAL ATC

[@nickdaniels4385]

Please use callsign. Will do. (No callsign.)

[@dksjdhrdjsndn4067]

nickdaniels4385 typing this on his couch.

[@KuostA]

@@dksjdhrdjsndn4067 and? his point was still 100% valid.

[@KuostA]

@@dksjdhrdjsndn4067 ....and? his point was still 100% valid.

[@dksjdhrdjsndn4067]

@@KuostA You didnt have to double reply, however if you have ever or this other guy been in a cockpit you should know the workload on final, not an excuse. No pilot is gonna read the comment section of this video, his comment is useless.

[@KuostA]

@@dksjdhrdjsndn4067 it looked like KZbin deleted my first comment, so I made it again. It's not rocket science lawl. clearly you lack critical thinking capacity. your response is L logic lol. pilots are expected to use proper radio coms, even while on approach, final, etc. it's part of the job, for safety. you clearly don't understand why it matters for the pilot to state his callsign with every readback, and u clearly don't understand why atc wants him to and makes him go around over it. Just stop and stay in your lane lawl

[@AirspotterUK]

At least he was a happy pilot.

[@0RespectMyAuthority0]

I'm on JFK's side this time. For legality he cannot release a plane from IFR separation if they are not properly identified. Yes, he probably knew who was talking but these procedures exist for a reason and becoming relaxed with them sets a dangerous precedent.

[@kdflf]

absolute nonsense. forcing an aircraft do a go-around as a punishment is completely unacceptable. yes callsign readbacks are important but there was ZERO ambiguity in this situation.

[@stevenaltaccount9476]

easy for you to say, if something went wrong with either the landing or passengers on board or anything and an investigation is launched, who do you think is now also on the hook for that? oh right, the ATC who knowingly disregarded procedure.

[@kdflf]

@@stevenaltaccount9476 and imagine if the aircraft had an incident during an unnecessary go-around just because the controller wanted to make a point/punish the pilots. the controllers behaviour is totally unacceptable

[@stevenaltaccount9476]

@@kdflf Which would have been prevented entirely if the pilot followed procedure. Not sure why you want to switch the blame to someone who is following the rules and holding a rule breaking pilot accountable for their actions? If the rule was unnecessary it wouldn't be in place, and if it was no longer relevant, they will remove it. I don't understand how people think that because they disagree with a rule that means they don't have to follow it and there should be no consequences for knowingly breaking a rule.

[@askarmuk]

Damn this pilot😅🤦‍♂

[@60gregma]

Raises? I think the word is razzes.

[@MeaHeaR]

Hé Řazêd him Inn Stedd

[@markcardwell]

Why not do a lap around the area? The weather was good

[@ragheadand420roll]

Raises is what planes do. “Razzes”

[@muhendisssssss3093]

Tower is artist.pilot is very busy and tired.tower could warn again for callsign.

[@Amerikanin2numarali_ustasi]

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[@APVW-aviation-videos]

He isn't reading the callsign back himself!! Arrogant controllers at JFK and I speak for myself!

[@JacobsPlanespotting]

Eh

[@mikementzerismydaddy]

I'll say this, obviously the Kuwaiti pilots should've been better in using their callsign, but ATC clearly knew who he was talking to, and he already said cleared to land, which the Kuwaiti pilots acknowledged properly. At the stage, pilots are very busy, and ATC started talking way too much unnecessarily after already clearing them to land. He even told them to reduce minimum speed, which Kuwaiti also acknowledged properly. ATC then kept talking way too much, and created a situation and go around for no reason. This is an example of an ATC who's trying to make the pilot's life as hard as possible just cause he was bored.

[@AlyssaM_InfoSec]

Actually, no, in this case the controller is required to get a confirmation with callsign. Reason being, the controller is trying to shift to visual separation rules (likely because the Kuwati aircraft was getting too close to the traffic ahead to maintain IFR separation). So the controller needs a positive confirmation from the aircraft that he'll maintain visual separation but that has to include the callsign for it to be legal. So since he couldn't get the callsign from him to transfer to visual separation, he had to have him go around to avoid a loss of IFR separation.

[@MrVios2008]

Only another example to show that the most arrogant controllers are working at JFK. Would be helpful for everyone if they get less arrogant and more professional at JFK.

[@Amerikanin2numarali_ustasi]

dealing with one guy he clearly knows who he is etc...I wonder if he asked him to go around because of traffic on the runway or because of NOT reading back properly

[@BwInNewJersey]

Probably because he didn’t confirm identity at critical call moment.

[@dpf697]

There are rules that need to be followed and the Kuwaiti pilot did not follow them. ATC actions are justified.

[@TheFirstConcorde]

@@dpf697Forcing a go-around for not reading back your call sign, despite no issue regarding the aircraft’s ID is excessive.

[@dpf697]

@@TheFirstConcorde Not reading back your call sign after being told to do so is a big deal. Totally justified and not excessive at all.

[@AlyssaM_InfoSec]

@@TheFirstConcorde Actually, it's not excessive, in this case the controller is required to get a confirmation with callsign. Reason being, the controller is trying to shift to visual separation rules (likely because the Kuwati aircraft was getting too close to the traffic ahead to maintain IFR separation). So the controller needs a positive confirmation from the aircraft that he'll maintain visual separation but that has to include the callsign for it to be legal. So since he couldn't get the callsign from him to transfer to visual separation, he had to have him go around to avoid a loss of IFR separation.

[@fabrice6984]

L'ATC est arrogant et de mauvaise foi

[@normannutbar424]

Classic JFK arrogance! There absolutely should have been more efforts to explain that the read back of the callsign is required. The term that ATC should have used was “use standard phraseology”. Given that ATC’s ultimate role is to increase safety, I think that sending a heavy aircraft around on what is nothing more than a ‘punishment lap’ is outright irresponsible. If this crew are indeed struggling, (which ATC are alleging), then a missed approach is only going to increase their workload.

[@flygirl4487]

Another egotistical atc, the one that sponsors this channel

[@jacks3446]

oh my god shut up… you are clueless

[@iridiumcaptain]

They weren't complying and weren't communicating properly that they were able to positively maintain visual separation. If something went wrong and the controller hadn't intervened as he did, the controller would share blame. Because the pilot wasn't using appropriate terms, the controller made them go around and try again. Nothing to do with ego. The pilot is a professional and should know better than to use improper terminology.

[@iridiumcaptain]

Looking at other comments you've made, you seem to have something against ATC in general. If you're a pilot, I hope you drop that bias. Some controllers have egos, are rude, and are unprofessional, but this is not an example of such a case.

[@AlyssaM_InfoSec]

I would recommend if you're a pilot you take a listen to Opposing Bases. Good controller perspectives that would have helped you understand what is going on here and it's not the controller being egotistical. In this case the controller is required to get a confirmation with callsign. Reason being, the controller is trying to shift to visual separation rules (likely because the Kuwati aircraft was getting too close to the traffic ahead to maintain IFR separation). So the controller needs a positive confirmation from the aircraft that he'll maintain visual separation but that has to include the callsign for it to be legal. So since he couldn't get the callsign from him to transfer to visual separation, he had to have him go around to avoid a loss of IFR separation.