Jflowers vs Predator - Try them both before you decide.

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[@BennnWJK]

The victory tip plays fine. It’s the player, not the equipment…

[@vonnlee3468]

I don't think you gave a fair review on Deflection and draw as where you changed to a Kamui tip for the Preditor you should had done the same thing for the J Flowers tip because the tip that comes with the JF is terrible for draw and is hard, it's Bad period compared to the Kamui, especially Kamui Soft.

[@PostUp_Time]

YEP. IF YOU CHANGE ONE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE OTHER. OR JUST LEAVE BOTH STOCK. JUST GAVE PREDATOR AND ADVANTAGE. ESPECIALLY IF HARDNESS DIFFERENCE.

[@barboxshooter1829]

Very true. Also put more left spin with j flower then he did the revo. I’d say their equal all around.

[@David-kg1hc]

Almost every deflection test video ever shows the revo the lowest deflection shaft you can buy.

[@danender5555]

Correct

[@MrMountainJohn]

You cannot go wrong with the JFlowers cues and carbon shafts. they are well made and play extremely well.

[@christopher7310]

I know this is an old video, but i would love to see a Lucasi Pinnacle carbon fiber shaft/cue be compared to the Revo.

[@moy11111]

I used to play with kamui M and and tried victory M after. I just love the way it play and hit much more than kamui. So i think its just the player preference. Great video though 👍

[@sgtechconsultancy]

I think the price of buy a whole cue from Jflower can only buy the shaft of the revo, if you are ok to have a bit of deflection from Jflower if claim was true.

[@glockasauruswrex6362]

My 314-3 plays very well, the only knock i had on the Victory soft tip was i had to touch it up after every session...swapped it out for a Mako Pro-V2 n it's pretty sweet. When I step up to C/F, it'll be with the guys that developed what everybody else copies...Predator. Just like there's only one Tacoma...sure a Nissan will get ya down the freeway...but head into the canyons or the desert n I see mostly Tacomas...go figure.Oh n the Revo is cheaper? case closed.

[@wayneque2101]

I use a predator 5k7 with a z2shaft and a kamui clear soft, tip. Works fine in all the different games. I he next tip I will try will be a kamui clear extra soft . I will see what it does. I also think there’s a lot more feeling with softer tips, and I believe that the shafts will receive less shock from impact, resulting in better accuracy and much longer shaft life. Thank you 😊 🎱🎱🎱🎱🥂🥃🍻

[@PostUp_Time]

OPPOSITE. SOFT TIPS YOU FEEL MORE IN THE CUE. AS THE SOFT TIP IS ABSORBING THE MASS OF THE CUE BALL. TRY A HARD TIP LIKE A WATER BUFFALO TIP, YOU WONT EVEN FEEL THE CUE BALL LEAVE YOUR CUE. JUST LAUNCHES. THATS WHY THE HARD TIPS MAKE GREAT BREAK TIPS/BREAK CUES. MORE SPEED ON THE CUE BALL.

[@wilkamania]

I have a J Flowers cue and I'd choose that over the predator just based on feel and price. You can get J Flowers Cues for the $300 range, which is less than an individual revo shaft. I remember being anti carbon fiber because I thought it was a gimmick (like everyone else). I tried the revo shaft and didn't like the "tink" feel. My buddy bought a J Flowers and I tried it, was surprised how much I loved it, bought one myself. It's basically my only player. I didn't like the Moori Tip on it, swapped it with a tiger layered Hard tip, and boy does it sing. I break with it too lol, so far so good! Since I recently got an 11.8 Cuetec Cynergy for my Mezz, I've been using that, but the J Flowers will always be a good backup cue or if i want to bring something to a bar in a 1x1. I did try to Mezz Ignite, but didn't get to play long enough to get a better impression...plus it's the most $$$ of all of them, but maybe one day I'll get one lol.

[@wc5839]

I currently play with a Mezz butt with the 12.5 Cynergy. I sold my Ignite because it had too much power and not enough feel. Ignite built quality seemed the best of all the CF shafts I've tried. What Mezz butt do you use?

[@wilkamania]

@@wc5839 Ah okay, that makes sense. I'm using it on a red Mezz Powerbreak 1 Butt lol. I have two power breaks (a red and a black one).

[@wc5839]

@@wilkamania My friend uses a Powerbreak 2 butt with a Predator Z3 shaft. She said the length and balance is great.

[@brandoncharles4781]

I'm trying to decide between the 11.8 and 12.5 jflowers shaft, since they offer the smaller diameter now. Can you give me your thoughts?

[@wilkamania]

@@brandoncharles4781 I didn't know they offered 11.8! I also felt the smaller diameter was nice to see where I was hitting, but it did bring out inconsistencies in my stroke. I think the 12.4mm shaft will be more versatile. I did get a mezz which is 12.2mm, i find that a good middle ground.

[@kelho46]

With carbon shafts deflection is all the same, the only factors that have influence are tip, ferrule material and taper, unlike wood, carbon has always pretty much the same density, so regardless of which carbon shaft you use, it will always have much less deflection when compared to wood… still if you’re not going to use a carbon butt you will be getting about 50% of it’s potential depending a lot on the quality of the cue you have.

[@billy-il8td]

do you mind further explaining? what does a carbon butt have to do with 50% potential? Novice player here trying to expand my knowledge.

[@SBRbugol]

Very inaccurate deflection tests. My wooden Jacoby deflects less than carbon according to those

[@monarchlifestyle6299]

What model did you get with j flowers? Also they are releasing a new S.M.O. Carbon fiber shaft from j flowers in October 11th and testing shows it has lower deflection vs predator and cuetec

[@billy-il8td]

have you watched the video on the test? there's many a way they could have scammed the test. I would never trust a manufacture to test it's new rival product against others and "leak" a test video. Sus AF

[@odraodee]

​@@billy-il8tdI bought the shaft with my own money and to be honest, the shaft truly has incredibly low deflection. I never have to adjust for deflection on almost any shot

[@TheReal_DeanD]

After spending more time on the JFlowers cue how does it still perform?

[@PhillyFingers]

Performance is great. No complaints at all.

[@mtlsteven]

the draw shot you had better timing and not as forcing the draw with predator lol

[@fishblade2]

Have you tried the deflection of the Cuetec cynergy shaft? If so how does it compared to the J flowers

[@PhillyFingers]

I’ve found the cuetec has the most deflection of the 3.

[@fishblade2]

@@PhillyFingers the odd thing I’ve found with the cuetec shaft in reviews and my personal experience, is it seems like the one tip to two tips seems okay even at firm hits but once you go more the deflection is a huge jump.

[@PhillyFingers]

@@fishblade2 I agree

[@og6951]

I really dont know alot about CF, but my friend shoots a SVB with the standard 12.5 med. tip. He asked to shoot my new J Flower with a soft tip, and he loved the J Flower. He is a good shooter and says for $319. He buy it over his SVB cuetec. Personally, I am just a beginner but it give me a straight shot and shows my stroke flaws....which lets me work on them because I cant make excuses and it gives me confidence. I am a APA 3- 4, but tonight I was beating 5, and 6's regularily. I was goning to save and buy a Predator but not now. I am happy. The only issue was that the tip popped off the first night. I contacted Customer support and they gave me a credit to repair the tip immediately. So I would say 4.5 stars out of 5.

[@walidhossain9860]

I think Jflower offers good price and quality. Predator is also good but i think they are little bit expensive

[@devinmoran59]

Does predator make shafts that fit 3/8 8 of the jflower?

[@albert333pool]

No

[@christiankimmel1806]

Your draw shot test, with the JFlowers you didn't follow through as much as you did with the Predator cue.

[@PhillyFingers]

You are 100% correct. I see that now after the fact and after publishing the video. I can definitely get the same draw when I follow through

[@christiankimmel1806]

Great comparison between the cues though.

[@theresjustnotellingfpv4822]

So I own a jflowers cue with a 12.5 shaft and a kamui black medium top, and I’m thinking of upgrading to a 9k-3 with a 12.9 revo. In your opinion do you think I will be happy with the quality differences?

[@PhillyFingers]

I actually have that exact cue. I would suggest the 12.4 revo as it’s closer to the 12.4 JF. You will enjoy it and should notice no difference except for the revo pinging sound cause it’s hollow. But if sound doesn’t bother you then you will enjoy it.

[@theresjustnotellingfpv4822]

@@PhillyFingers that’s funny you own this cue. Which would do you prefer picking up?

[@PhillyFingers]

@@theresjustnotellingfpv4822 I say the 9k

[@theresjustnotellingfpv4822]

I bought the 9k3 with a 12.9 revo. Looking forward to receiving it.

[@manoyhuringblog9172]

how can i buy j.flowers cues. how much is the price..?

[@PhillyFingers]

At jflowerscues.com

[@keykey1401]

What about the balance? The jflowers 90-10 vs predator butt Only the balnace?

[@PhillyFingers]

Predator is better as it comes with more weight options

[@OG29]

I did. I didn't choose the brand; I chose between wood and carbon. If both had been carbon I don't know if I could have chosen. I chose the wooden Predator over the carbon fiber J Flowers basically by choosing a wooden shaft. I love both but the Predator more. And it's prettier.

[@jamesstrong8309]

Wow at the prices for cues these days I think I can keep using my 40 year old Meucci

[@Saud-ki3dd]

Can you give away a j flower cue

[@chrisgair803]

I could get 10x better draw/screwback (for us English) with a bar cue. This is ridiculous.

[@vania713]

This is like comparing a Rolls Royce with an overpriced Hyundai and saying that both cars can take you to the supermarket. The Predator is just in a whole different league, am sorry but jflowers needs to establish a better reputation with players before asking such high prices for a basically unknown brand.

[@matthewbaney2660]

So are you saying that predator is the Rolls Royce of pool cues? I guess that would make the Jflowrers the Bentley of pool cues. Seeing as how they are both made in China.

[@kenroberts71]

They have $320 models that come with the same cf shaft. That is less than it costs for a single predator shaft. Not sure how you can say "high prices". The prices only rise based on the work on the forearm/butt of the cue. JF prices are rediculously low for what you get. Not sure what more of a reputation you feel they need to build. You can't find a bad review of their cues. At least I have yet to see one.

[@JohnJohnson-zq9rg]

Well then you are lucky they sent you a cue that exactly weight as ordered. I got one that was completely out of balance very butt heavy and not the weight I ordered. I ordered 19 ounce got 19.2 ounce. But with a butt heavy as 15.6 ounce which is way to much for a 19 ounce cue. So be warned when onderring at this company they will not solve the issue best you can get is get your money back, but then they do not want you anymore as customer. You have to accept the cue as is. If you are a serious player I advise stay away from this. They said to me their butts and shafts all have different weights and get combined to be roughly the weight you order. So If you are lucky the cue has good balance or very bad if you are not.

[@briankdaniels]

You can't really fault the Revo because of the Victory tip that it comes with. I happen to love them and so your review right off the bat seems skewed and unfair.

[@PhillyFingers]

Again it’s just my opinion but one comes with a tip I find is horrible and needs to be changed which is an extra cost vs one that comes with a better tip I don’t need to spend money on changing. I think that’s a fair observation to bring up and one I’m not alone with as many also never use that victory tip.

[@PCnineball2333]

I've seen videos of pro players being asked what do they use for tips( like the ouschans, Brian from fx billiards, even Darren Appleton) they all used predator victory tips. My victory medium tip is fine for me. It's obviously not a horrible tip. It's the player....most pros can still run rings around a average player even with a horrible cue, nevermind the tip.

[@billpii6314]

Terrible testing

[@subdue8182]

20 years frm now we will find out that all carbon shafts are made the same exact way no matter the brand or cost.

[@johannessy1672]

U sure even the cheaper unbranded ones were the same? Really??

[@subdue8182]

@@johannessy1672 thats what happened in the bicycle carbon world.

[@wdiddy1]

Different tip sizes and this comparison is a waste of time really, the sound is the only reason I didn't like Revo, I've played with a maple shaft for over 25 years and I didn't like the sound of the Revo, I went with Mezz ignite and the sound is similar to maple and maybe even a bit better. I don't think equally priced carbon fiber shafts are any different as far as playability. You will be fine with whatever you choose, it's not a decision you have to waste time thinking about. Try different shaft sizes and then you are good to go from there.

[@JH-fk8ow]

price got nothing to do with it, there are huge variations on the carbon fiber shafts in terms of playability and feel, price doesnt mean they are using same technology and materials. ive tryed expensive carbon shaft that felt weak, soft and muted while another one in same price range felt crisp and powerfull.

[@PostUp_Time]

carbon shaft pricing has nothing to do with anything. they are ALL just Hollow Carbon Tubes filled with Foam. And WE are laughing our asses off at your comment. you judged your shaft by the sound? both tubes are filled with foam.

[@PostUp_Time]

you said comparing different tip sizes is a waste of time at start of comment.. then at end you recommend people try different tip sizes. LMFAO

[@billy-il8td]

@@PostUp_Time "We" are laughing at your inept reading comprehension. The guy making this video used different shaft sizes if you watched it which OP is referring too.

[@Victor-kl3cy]

Bro how are you going to compare a $300 cue to a predator cue. You must drive a Honda civic and think you can compete with a Lamborghini. WTF.

[@PhillyFingers]

Obviously you didn’t notice the models of both cues and the prices. This isn’t the $300 version. Both cues are close in price. Please make note next time before just commenting

[@Victor-kl3cy]

@@PhillyFingers if you put a 40k Honda,40k Kia and a 40k Lamborghini and you don’t think there’s a disadvantage from the start then your content is trash.