Jiaoqiu Early Access Review: Why So Much Hate? 😬 | Honkai Star Rail

[@LilyAquina]

This is early access for version 2.4 The content seen in this video is not fully indicative of the final product. There may or may not be changes in the version update. ==== Join Lily's Discord for character builds : discord.gg/X4TQ2h9

[@roulette_shark]

he can cook. he can clean. he can help wipe the enemies off the screen.

[@th3docta401]

Funny, me likey

[@ahem6679]

Plus in many of his stories the mention he is a healer but devs removed it, dedicated acheron supports became a half balked with dot in his current kit plus the dot he does is mediocre

[@degamishiro123]

but can he heal my financial issue when his banner drop

[@joselinjoselan1]

But he cant heal which was unique. Sad hoyo remove it

[@roulette_shark]

@@ahem6679 that was a remnant of a preliminary kit that was always meant to be taken w/ a grain of salt. even if it ever made it to an official kit (which it never was), it would barely make a major difference. don’t be so attached to something so tentative & prone to change

[@hilo01]

It reminds me, that people actually do want powercreep to happen (if the reactions - read as doomposts - towards the changes during Beta test are any indication) to justify the pulls spent for a limited character. Kind of interesting to think about.

[@TSG140-2]

But they also don't want older characters to be completely outshined...😊

[@Badieon]

Pretty much, although the best part is that after people's main releases as total powercreep, people will suddenly be very against powercreep so their main will remain the best forever

[@TheLastGhostLegendario]

Let me ilustre you why I am in favor. In summary being no evolution or progress means death and boredom for a game. Long answer, even if I like new characters if there is no reason to pull them, the players have no goal to archive so playing outside Lore reasons is gone. If every year or so my characters starts falling behind then I have 2 options reach for a new team and have fun with new mechanic or git gud and give them godlike relics and beating content in this last way feels incredible or pull their E2 and they become online so o either work hard for it, or use jades(I don't like to E2 characters I need to say) How I know this? Because I came from genshin and that happens there. It's a little annoying? Yes but more the part of people btch**Ng about having the best unit/ trashing over it and having to choose again a new playstyle ,but the second one even if is a little uncomfortable, it's healthy, change is. This is the healthy answer, as you said there are a lot of people that don't like power creep bit when a new character is released they want it to be powerful out of this world and also I don't understand their point , I want some increase on power but because they want A HUGE one then they are the ones causing the unhealthy power creep to happen so I think they are just retar****ded idk what to tell you, the only thing I want from a 5 star\4 star is being fun and functional without feeling clonky.

[@kingsimba9513]

5 star Tingyun will powercreep him 😭😭😭 HSR devs are husbando haters, they're just that based.

[@roxinol8971]

@@kingsimba9513i dont think she will powercreep him she will probably have a different play style like she can be a non-dot dps like archeron or a break support

[@TheWaifuConnoisseur]

Honestly, I’m just disappointed that he isn’t a healer in any way. Really felt like he could have inflicted enemies with a debuff that healed allies when they took damage, something like the Nihility blessing. Which could have led for some unhinged sustainless comps with Acheron or DoT. Instead he just feels like a replacement for FireMc in Acheron comps, since SuperBreak is the meta comp now for mc.

[@carmelacuvos3597]

Yeah he even said it in the story. Idk the only reason you can pull for Jiaoqiu is for Acheron or maybe DoT which is his Best team so far other than that very replaceable unit.

[@patrickbetar2943]

@@carmelacuvos3597 he's also the new BiS teammate for hypercarry Ratio which, in case anyone forgot, clears the same cycles as IPC team.

[@GervasiusMC]

not gonna lie the idea of making a nihility character heal sounds like ass, the game's already kind of broken as it is

[@valerie_sees]

@@carmelacuvos3597 story does not equal gameplay btw

[@justblue576]

It'll be cool, but not really functional, if they want to make him a nihility healer they have to make his healing ass so he won't overshadow sustains, in the end you'll just run a sustain either way. And I think lore wise him being nihility fits more too, he convinces people that he's a healer yet in the same time he uses his knowledge against his enemies

[@DuckDuckBaoBao]

I see those (at least on discord) who doompost or just hate him because they don't want to pull for a male character 😅

[@laguthongx]

@@DuckDuckBaoBao fucking incels

[@donew1thita11]

Nah Boothill my fav skipping this foxian though. Hunt supremacy, fei xiao!

[@FeuraL.]

I only pull male characters if I like their character design + personality + animations and for meta reasons. Right now, I only like his animations.😶 But I will pull him for Acheron at this point.💯

[@justblue576]

He's arguably the best and most universal debuffer in the game rn. It's just that it's hard for nihility supports to compete with the three harmonies. But it's really weird how much hate he gets compared to Lingsha who's in a worst spot rn (ofc I don't want her to get hate, I'm happy that she's safe..for now at least 💀) I'm convinced that some people have a hating boner for him for some reason, because he's not as bad as people want him to seem

[@minhtienbui6691]

i save all for this fox. i love him.

[@JayDamaso78]

Why so much hate? Because people, in general, are idiots. They're lazy, they are conditioned to rely on and react to internet videos instead of researching themselves and common sense, or any sense. Because it's also easy to dismiss a character than to possibly cope with the reality of not having the resources to add him to your account.

[@hanamura00]

My only irks about him and lingsha is they should swap their kit 😭😭😭 the story so far always mentioned jiaoque as military healer, and the story with lingsha so far she can immobilize enemy with her aromatherapy... would make more sense lol. But regardless, must skip him for now, since I need to save for my wife, Tingyun. 😞😞😞

[@ironheadedDoF]

He aint no "Fire BlackSwan" nor "Fire Pela" and I'm happy about that. Lily, do you think Jiaoqiu power creeps over Guinaifen?

[@levi3248]

Sorry I know you were asking them but definitely. His DOTS are “slightly” weaker (although he has way higher stats, just lower multipliers) But in terms of debuffing he has immediate 100% uptime whilst Guinaifen has to let the stacks build on enemy turns, plus if a new enemy enters she has to restart and reapply it again. There debuff values are pretty similar (34% dmg vuln from guinaifen vs 35% from Jiaoqiu) but guinaifen almost never has all the stacks up, plus Jiaoqiu gives an extra 15% for ult dmg, which is way better for Acheron. He also batteries Acheron better than every character in the game and is more SP positive

[@animeandgamesiamalwaysther9622]

For Acheron team he is better but in dot E6 guanifen still beats him unless you go for his E2

[@guillermodiaz7699]

This. He is good if you are going for an all purpose debuffer, great for acheron but meh for dot specifically, which is why people hate his slapped on dot​@@animeandgamesiamalwaysther9622

[@tevallockheart]

It is ick me everytime in the story mention about Jiaoqiu is a military healer but he cannot heal. They should remove the lore about him as a military healer instead if he cannot heal.

[@muffincopnoicingforme8220]

It was mentioned ingame that he heals mostly via cooking healthy food. Maybe thats why he has the roasting thing in his kit

[@Devika2545]

He's good now but his kit definitely feels like a slight mess. He was supposed to have very slight healing(like Jade's HP drain) and if you notice, his ultimate changes the entire battlefield and there's a white colour on our side. This was meant to give allies a buff of some sort. But they removed all of that.

[@kevinakeemdevilleres5786]

Yes but let's not forget what he did to our poor skott which cemented Jiaoqui as a Nihility debuffer.

[@kingsimba9513]

That's how you know Hoyo didn't put a lot of thought into his design, making him a nobody character story-wise. Just proves that he'll get powercrept by 5 star Tingyun 😭

[@gandalfstyle2977]

i dont understand this, what does him being a healer in lore have to do with his kit? i dont think gallagher who is a abundance character is a healer in lore right? he is just a barkeeper (well obv. only for appearance sake but even so in lore he has nothing to do with healing) so why is he a healer and not something else? Ingame lore doesnt always has to correlate to the actual kit of the character

[@bronben5479]

I find him to be ok, and I’ve maintained this opinion ever since we first saw visions of him. His DPS increase to ally’s is decent, his ult vulnerability is fine, and his sub-dps is ok. He works very well with Acheron, and decently with other ult based DPS units like Argenti and Yunli. Beyond that he’s fine. Pela 1.5 for all other DPS units, which isn’t really a bad thing, but when units like Robin, Ruan Mei, and even Sparkle exist, its a struggle to justify him as a pull beyond just Acheron.

[@Exodia_99]

I agree when you said ruan mei and robin. But sparkle in this economy is not that great. She just the same level as jioqiu

[@bronben5479]

@@Exodia_99 Sparkle is the defacto unit you pull for hypercarry units, and there are a ton of them. She’s easy, braindead, and strong for what she does while effecting a majority of the DPS in the game. IMO, she’s way above JQ in pull value. She works for a wider range of units to a stronger degree and can abuse stupid stuff like DDD or Coggers.

[@xelasneko]

His biggest challenge will be being available while there is a Sparkle, and upcoming Feixiao and Lingsha to pull. I myself will just have to live with the existing Nihility team I have.

[@hypemaddox]

Lingsha is a way lower boost to her BIS team than JQ is to his

[@patrickbetar2943]

Lmao, imagine pulling for Lingsha when Gallagher exists. Jiaoqui is a must for every Acheron player, E2s included. It's a huge team boost that doesn't even show in calcs cause they do not take the 1 more ultimate he gives you in consideration. Want Feixiao? Fine, but rest assured Feixiao is just luxury pull and will be powercrept relatively fast. Imo it already isn't the best HUNT because Boothill exists. You have to pull Feixiao E0S1 and Robin S1 (or have the event LC) and Aventurine. If you already got Firefly and Acheron, the best advice is to pull for Jiaoqiu E0S1 and to fuck off with your jades until 2.6. Feixiao is a luxury pull, nothing new and nothing broken. New Planet is gonna bring new Remembrance Path and new Team Compositions, start saving for that and Fate Collab.

[@Chlorowitz]

The two before me have already said their pieces about Lingsha and Feixiao, so I’m just gonna add that Sparkle is overrated as hell. She’s really only BIS for DHIL and Argenti, Robin and Ruan Mei are just as good or even better for the rest of the DPS roster. Easily the worst limited harmony and incredibly skippable.

[@lstinside8688]

Honestly it's not that much of a challange, depends on you. Sparkle - she's bis mostly in older hypercarries teamcomps so we have to wait for new dps like that. The popular teams use Robin/Ruan Mei Feixiao - Ratio is still very good and was given for free + he's f2p friendly with tingyun and pela being available for him unlike Feixiao who needs Robin and Topaz. There is also Boothil who can be used in same content as her and be potentially stronger (example - Hoolay) Lingsha - at the moment she does not look like 5* when Gallagher exists. Only if you have E1 FF

[@TheoDimitry]

​@@patrickbetar2943Have you ever considered that people maybe want to use Gallagher in a different team but can't since he's stuck in FF's team?

[@AvocatoMint]

Unreasonable doomposters aside, I can see why he wasn't that well received. JQ mains are likely not overlap with Acheron or Kafka mains. Without those 2, he got nerf every single versions and significantly has less pull-values mete wise. Husbandos already are few and far between , and JQ is just made to support for a very specific waifu dps that actually doesn't to be more broken. So I can see why people are frustrated.

[@rbosorio]

Will definitely pull for him since Acheron is one of my main teams for difficult content. Waiting for your next video as well. Hope you demonstrate him with a Kafka team since she is also one of my favorites.

[@Rozemyne2314]

i'll be rolling for sparkle first and seeing how he plays out first

[@จิรภัทรจันทร์นาม]

He’s op debuffer. He’s so good in right condition. Also he might have a lot more value more in future patch.

[@windup13ird60]

Good video as always. Looking forward to the future ones! I am Acheronless but still very much pulling for Jiaoqui, through a combination of his design and enjoying actual Debuff, not just DoT DPS, as an archetype. What I am looking forward to is trying him out on Superbreak teams, and I wish I saw more creators tampering with this. I get that it's not optimal, what with enemies needing to attack to get stacks from his ult and Break delaying attacks as often as possible, but I think there's something there given his vulnerability Debuff, decent toughness reduction with his fast ult, and the lantern set giving him more speed. In the same vein, I think he'd also pair well with Misha, who has a huge ult to be buffed, can do some superbreak shenanigans, and likes SP to be spent. My biggest worry about him is that he seems to want to use his Skill a lot. More stacks, more ult charge, etc. But he's competing with Pela, one of the most SP positive units in the game. I think this actually makes them pretty different, but I can't think of a way to actually leverage it, besides making sure he fights alongside other really SP positive characters like Luocha, Sparkle, Hanya, etc.

[@tsyganko]

Instructions unclear, was too busy listening to Tartaglia's boss theme

[@hisdudeness690]

I don't have Acheron, and he doesn't seem like much of an upgrade for DoT teams. Unfortunately, I don't think he will pair well with rest of the traditional DPS teams (still waiting for dedicated support for Jing Liu) in which Robin, Ruan Mei, Sparkle will be BiS. You are right, he is one of the normal characters released in a while, though this patch is turning out to be more like "let's upgrade standard characters we already know in different characters" patch.

[@Wawawawawa750]

He's rly good with Ratio if you use him, E0S0 JQ is about as good as E1S1 Topaz. Ofc assuming you alr have Robin bcs Robin > (Let's be real tho, she's the best pull for everybody so this ain't surprising) As for JL, he might be able to compete with RM? JL has not gotten any real updates on her supports that isn't just Robin (bcs Robin is broken for any crit dps) and her having to use RM for hypercarry is not rly optimal bcs she's a duo dps buffer so we'll have to wait and see. DoT teams, he's basically on par with what we alr have so meh. His biggest boost imo is actually enabling Robin. Robin has not had great synergy with most other harmonies/buffers besides Bronya (hyper-optimized for maximum DPS turns) bcs 1. they don't proc her attacks often enough, 2. They oversaturate on buffs, and 3. Robin gives a massive amount of stats that gets unused by the other harmony. JQ by being a debuffer avoids the oversaturation and buffs Robin's damage by a significant margin, while also being a good enough at proccing her ult hits bcs all his skills attack the enemy. JQ can also somewhat actually take advantage of her buffs (not that it makes him do insane damage, but going from Sparkle/RM doing basically no personal damage to Jiaoqiu doing at least like 20-40K with each of his hits can definitely make a difference).

[@thiefpotato2759]

He's the RM of Nihility debuffing. His job is to be consistent. Like RM, he will not be really the best option in teams except in one team specifically made for him. Like RM being only the best in break teams and he is her equivalent in Acheron teams. However, unlike RM, his first run is where he has legit competition (I.e. You are choosing Feixiao or Jiaoqiu), so he's not exactly 1 for 1 with RM.

[@EmanuelAguilar]

It’s not that I hate the character, but spending so many wishes on a character who, excluding the Acheron team, is only a slight improvement over Pela doesn’t seem like a good deal to me. I could just wait for them to announce more generic characters like Ruan Mei or Sparkle

[@Wawawawawa750]

He is generic tho. His actual strength comes from uptime, with newer enemies being so fast, Pela and SW can actually struggle to consistently keep up their debuffs while JQ can easily keep his up permanently. In terms of strength, he's beat by RM and Robin but I think he's about Sparkle level of strong

[@araragid3cimo77]

its not a slight improvement if you look at the bigger side , his buff has more uptime and easier to apply , pela def shred sometimes doesnt have enough uptime

[@thepotato1226]

he is a 30% total damage amplification buff to the Acheron team... How the heck is that a slight improvement??? Y'all be pulling for sparkle to make your dps 20% better but when it's a debuffer he's just considered weak?

[@justblue576]

Sparkle isn't really that generic tho, or at least she's not the same level as Robin and Ruan mei in flexibility.

[@MrGshinobi]

He should have been a healer and should have done big DOT burn damage at e0 He had so much potential from his initial leaked kit and now he's a pela sidegrade and nothing more.

[@mrJones-ii7sh]

I'm never using pela again I don't think you know what a side grade is

[@Zyleace]

Or that he could boost DOT damage by debuffing DOT resist. I swear DOT needs more characters.

[@therion451]

Said someone who doomposted yoimiya and kuki back in the day, what a hypocrite

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

He's gonna be amazing in PF with Acheron

[@Aqua_Mp4]

Imo the problem could be how amazing his base kit was that it was actually kinda broken. It placed way too high expectations that ofc wouldn’t be met… I mean like, look at him now even after being nerfed constantly, he’s still broken af. Now imagine the base kit (except keeping vulnerability), he’d be indescribable broken. Which is obvious why he recieved so many nerfs, but again, the expectations were way too high that you could really only be disappointed, at first, every time he recieved a nerf. Even me, I’m still salty they removed the healing when literally 80% of the story was yapping about him being a healer 😪

[@rocerperdon2685]

Suggestion: Can you use an Acheron team with Jiaoqiu, but with March 7th with Aventurine LC as a sustain? I want to see the full power of stack generation now that you don't need to use Trend

[@distritochristianangeloa.157]

Still thinking of getting him even with the nerfs for Acheron or Lingsha for FF team so yeah...

[@daughterofgorgias7235]

Gallagher is good enough

[@xuk6042]

Just remember if your firefly is E2 she's a downgrade to Gallagher due to the rabbit stealing breaks 😂(unless that's changed recently then I'm just spreading old news 😅)

[@lstinside8688]

@@xuk6042 They nerfed the amount of dealing dmg to toughness bar. It's still bad news tho, it may be harder to steal break but it takes longer to break

[@distritochristianangeloa.157]

@@xuk6042 Is Jiaoqiu still worth it even if E2 Acheron?

[@rektarduno9153]

@@distritochristianangeloa.157yes, you can replaced pela with him.

[@Pendaemonium]

Can't wait for a "stress test" against Black Swan and with Black Swan vs if Ruan Mei looses her job in a DoT comp that's honestly the only thing i care about as a DoT main

[@kennethyoung7457]

Jiaoqiu can replace Black swan or Ruan Mei in DOT. He is the premium Fire DOT we only need a Premium Physical Bleed DOT now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lamxnmmho9N5d5I kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGiTkp6Yrt-Nq9U

[@RielVillaroel]

I love this video. Sounds like Veronica is explaining why he's good.

[@meowblaziken5634]

JQ got so much hate because he's a male character. Look at Yinlin, nobody bat a eye at her kit even tho she just a glorified version of Clara. Meanwhile, doomposter shitting on him comparing with every other debuffer in the game, and even said guinafen e6 is better than him. Bet this wouldnt happen if JQ is female vers...

[@nct121]

ofc Bad and mid male char in gacha game alway being trash on

[@thornszk]

wuwa brainrot

[@lancertheimaginary8462]

I think the majority of the hate came from the people who wants to pull him but got extremely disappointed by the nerfs, I think the male character haters are only the minority since most of the waifu only players are indifferent towards male characters.

[@laguthongx]

@@lancertheimaginary8462 too bad, it almost a majority on my regional community. I am infuriated

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

Did you mean Yunli and not wuwa’s Yinlin? Understandable typo if u type one more than the other, especially since I literally typed Yinlin just now and it got auto corrected to “Yunli” lol

[@andmade2028]

Because not everyone that likes his design has or wants to pull Acheron to get real value out of him. And in pretty much every other team, there's a better alternative to him (Robin or Ruan Mei) that is also much more generalist than him. Further, quite a bit of his vulnerability value is baked into his light cone. Without it, his value over his 4 star counterparts in non-Acheron teams really isn't worth the pulls, primarily offering quality of life improvements from the auto-debuff implant.

[@blindaim]

I have E0 Acheron with S1 GNSW. Between Jiaoqiu character and Acheron's sig weapon. Which one is better to get?

[@jamess359]

Acheron signature, hands down.

[@kyleest7540]

I have e0s0 acheron, and I'm using a bs robin aventurine team, Jiaoqiu would definitely add more value as the amt of stacks he provides is a lot it overrides Acheron's LC

[@theteamxxx3142]

Get JQ it's equal to Acheron E2+sparkle then get her S1 if u can on rerun

[@tama_12a757]

jq

[@jamess359]

@@tama_12a757 not a chance. Her signature is a way better damage increase.

[@shidzenrekun]

Imo, the main problem with him is just that he is straight up boring. Many think that his design is just premium NPC(though I quite like it, cause it's not overloaded as hell and doesn't have common hsr male fanservice.), his kit is boring (he is literally 5* Gui and even then he doesn't have anything unique to stand out), his lore is... alright? it's the most inoffensive lore that could be given to a character, but at least rn it's unexplored = he is boring. and that's all while his kit and animations don't really make any sense with the lore that he has been given (a healer that can't heal even at e6, yay, I love me some ludonarrative dissonance). Also, in "early dreams" he wasn't another DoT clown and atm it seems like releasing Nihility char without DoT is some kind of blasphemy (Acheron is an exception to that rule).

[@symmetry0806]

Gallagher can heal by offering someone a drink lol but jiaoqiu even though he is supposed to be a healer if only by cooking is not able to do the same. It’s a shame though that would made him definitely special.

[@jc-cl5ff]

There is a lot doomposters, but also there is a lot if people that just defend every character and you cant have an Opinion. For my account JQ is not worth, Im not interested in improving and old team. Please stop calling everyone that criticices a character a "doomposter", its fine to have respectful opinions on "products" of a Multimillionaire company

[@jamess359]

Mutli BILLION, not million.

[@briannguyen6248]

That’s lily’s opinion and I agree with her. Not everything needs to be related back to HYV. Seems you just have a hard on against them.

[@theteamxxx3142]

doesn't matter i need to clear current content and JQ is perfect for upgrading 1 of my team for that then in 3 patches i will build a new team but if u think that getting JQ is less worth than Feixao+robin+topaz oh boy . Maybe u have the FuA set up while i do not

[@GuiltyKit]

People are calling them doomposters because they don't know what they're talking about and they're showing their ass having an opinion when they don't even know the first thing about the math behind why the character is actually good. More than good. I guarantee you right now this character is going to be the next Mei that people wish they had pulled. Especially with his signature.

[@Megumi433]

Optimal untuk team Acheron tapi ada batasan 6 ashen roat per ultimate, klo 10 okelah. 6 kurang buat satu kali ultimate di pure fiction

[@justadude189]

0:00 music ?

[@dappercoat249]

I don’t have acheron, but I’m still thinking of using him in my DOT team as a replacement for Gui. Is that a good idea?

[@erwandywijaya9965]

Nice! Now onto watching everything the video. 😊

[@imzam97]

JQ or sparkle's lightcone? I already have sparkle, just no lightcone. Anyway this and next banner are easy skips for me, so saving more for future pulls or lightcone reruns

[@hasibulazamsehab866]

Hi. I am a returning player who only played til 1.2. I remember watching your content. Could you please tell me some tips to play the game efficiently now. I feel like i missed soo much. I had E1 Yanqing e0 gepard and e0 Jing Yuan.

[@MidFed]

Vulnerability>>Def shred U can't compare the two vulnerability is jist better

[@aomafura3374]

I Pray to Erudition Emanator Lily Aquina for a Ratio Stress Test vs Robin 🙏

[@dplayer2693]

He looks awesome, I, unfortunately, may be skipping him for feixiao, but best of luck to everyone who is pulling.

[@laguthongx]

It's simple They keep doompost him *to please misandrist incels*, ignore him completely, and to consider "Only females take reign, no males can topple the game" Honestly, I am infuriated as a sane male

[@SplashyKozue]

mentally ill

[@Gesfalthe]

🤡​@@SplashyKozue

[@marshscarf7467]

😂😂​@@SplashyKozue

[@laguthongx]

@@SplashyKozue just what they are being depicted Those creeps needs a literal touch grass and face a life rather than consumed by girls and his own "harem and self-insert utopia"

[@laguthongx]

@@Gesfalthe ❓

[@vayneaurelius5238]

The answer to that question is discussed in many of social medias really. 1. His model from top to bottom is just like NPCs (I think many of yall saw that meme when he is stand between similar NPC as him) 2. They nerfed him to only be able to increases Acheron's stack to max 6.

[@nikolaytrofimov4175]

Max 6? They capped his ult to give max 6 stacks before its reused

[@xanvoir7693]

What I dislike about him is that is kit is just a better Guinafen, nothing specific about him

[@theortafou]

Very good quality video ! Actually, I stopped watching your videos after you stopped Fgo again but if found this one and as a Star Rail player I like it... Even tho it hasn't the same charm for me than your fgo videos (I'm not trying to be mean here ! I don't know how to say it with my poor english)

[@MrGshinobi]

4:40 this speed for generating acheron ult stacks is not as impressive when you realize you could get similar results using pela + SW/guinaifen instead, i guess jiaoqiu is good if you dont have or want to use those characters but if you do why bother?

[@seraphywang4638]

Theoretically but in terms of multi-wave content, it’s waay more comfortable. He also stacks when the enemy moves which is something neither Pela(no debuffs without ult/skill) or Guinaifen(DoT doesnt count as debuff) so theoretically he doubles her stacks. In which case, even at E0, you can replace the second nihility unit with a Harmony and actually perform better than two nihility units that dont include Jiaoqiu.

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

MoC isn't the only endgame content.

[@molermash]

Then he’s a combo of the two? How exact is that not impressive is he can do the job of two character thus freeing up a slot

[@SashyyKane]

hes a legit good character but ppl keep doomposting him. Maybe hes a little niche but his debuffs are all around very good and universal, consistent uptime, and hes not even sp negative. if the big problem is that he cant heal despite being a healer in lore just dont get him lol??

[@reiginaldvenjamineisidro5215]

Pela: one turn debuff Jiaoqiu: unli debuff

[@Shadownator1000]

Would someone recommend him if I have Kafka, but no Black Swan?

[@defensivepotato1998]

It’d be better if you just saved for a dot unit. He’s universal tho so it works.

[@SSABIRR-69]

I would save for Black swan instead

[@Shadownator1000]

@@defensivepotato1998 alright, thank you👍

[@Shadownator1000]

@@defensivepotato1998 alright thank you!

[@Ananta9817]

I don't have a single 5* Nihility support for Acheron and my Guinaifen is e0. Should I go for him? Or is it better to invest my pulls into Kafka + Blackswan?

[@kennethyoung7457]

Kafka and Black Swan are good but Acheron hypercarry is doing quite a bit better than them especially with Jiaoqiu and pure DOT teams are not good in Apocalyptic Shadow. Kafka and Black Swan are coming sometime after Jiaoqiu so you will have to choose the team you most want to play as I reckon. You can actually play Jiaoqiu + Kafka and clear content but you won't have the blast DOT of Black Swan.

[@TheLastGhostLegendario]

Can you showcase him in PF with rhe herta free LC? :D Amazing video!

[@kkobayashi9882]

They doomposting cause they are skipping him. They wanna justify their pulling decisions. Yawn same old doomposting cycle. The more since he is a dude unit

[@laguthongx]

Do take note of misandrist

[@tzero5986]

Klopp just wants to rest lily don’t drag into this😂

[@toufonglee5073]

Going to be a bit critical. Either Lily has perfect English and makes no errors or this is one of those AI voiceovers (Elevenlabs?). It's too clean :)

[@toufonglee5073]

I was right, some of her videos showcases her actual voice. Definitely AI voiceover or she hired someone. Makes this video less amusing imo.

[@fatarehn4006]

I am Acheronless, but I am still pulling for him. My acc really lack of dot units and it quite annoying in PF, AS, or MoC. Have been farming for his relics and already reach 100 ehr and still trying to get spd boot with ehr. With his LC and traces, I think I'll able to reach 180 ehr with easy. Just hope I can win my 50/50, so I can get his LC with guarantee. If not, well I am stuck with 160ish ehr. Can he work well with Acheron and Welt? I am kinda curious.

[@juanoliveira1920]

Premium guinai fei not interested in debuffers but i like his jp Va so yeah that its skipp for feixao and then fate collab 🎉

[@ctran1955]

I don’t care about Acheron and will never get her so it’s disappointing he doesn’t have a role anywhere else, at least not worth it as a complete 5* unit. I’m really heartbroken bc I wanted him but he’s not worth it for my account.

[@DanielDaAbadSukarno]

Bro is completely JOKE! He's Healer but HE DOESN'T HEAL AT ALL!! NO WONDER HE GOT ROAST BY COMMUNITY!

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

*Doctor* Ratio

[@hanamura00]

@@mauriciorosademoraes9209doctor doesnt always means in medical field 😭 doctoral degree exists and ratio literally all about academic value... the Dr. is his academic title...

[@usmanya5110]

​​@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 aren't there also doctor type characters that also focus on poison then medical use.

[@jamess359]

​@@mauriciorosademoraes9209You failed

[@kingsimba9513]

That's how you know Hoyo didn't put a lot of thought into his design, making him a nobody character story-wise. Just proves that he'll get powercrept by 5 star Tingyun 😭

[@mmm4093]

He's her best support, but that's the problem imo, most Acheron players are "Waifu" enjoyers, and most JQ fans are "Husbando" players, they just wanted him to be better with more teams including other male-dps teams.

[@reijiyamamoto9407]

He's good in a Ratio team

[@bones377]

He’s good in Ratio teams

[@kingsimba9513]

Exactly, just further proves that he won't be Acheron's BiS permanently. Will get powercrept by 5 star Tingyun.

[@reijiyamamoto9407]

@@kingsimba9513 This would be so funny if Tingyun becomes a Nihility DPS that needs JQ.

[@laguthongx]

@@mmm4093 Do you know what's the problem you had to face in fandom level? Ok, "Waifus". These Waifu Enjoyers you have to see have its bad apple, these misandrist incels. A reason why JQ keep doomed out, why they keep cope out so they wanted the game to be "Only Waifus take reign; Husbandos will never be topple the game". Those group of individuals will keep propagate these ideals so prevents or even backseats other to do not pull any male characters, especially this pink fox JQ I've been bested this bitter experience since Argenti drip marketed, endured it, almost lost my sanity and almostly QUITTED just because me almost be lose upon those Waifu Gamers!

[@trashbxyscr333m6]

Atk or Fire orb?

[@재현7704]

If he's not.... Ult buffer then I might not hate him! 💀 I rather pull robin

[@Cadmun]

How much does he heal per turn. You didn’t mention

[@jamess359]

Troll?

[@Hm-cd2wj]

I planned to pull him but 2.5 drip marketing changed my mind 😂

[@wahidrizki_]

Knp byk bgt benci ama ni char 😂😂

[@mopped8247]

itu mereka coping biar punya alesan ga pull karakter cowo

[@iri0022]

tapi tapi gw cuman mau roll cewek, gamau roll cowok biasa, macem itu

[@laguthongx]

@@wahidrizki_ biasa Misandris nebar copium biar gak ada yang pull dia Sekalian nge-please incel self-insert penyefong waifu yang suka resekin player lain biar gamenya "Waifu selamanya. Lo incer lanang, kalah dan menyesal lo". Gitu aja aturan main di komuni lokal Dan semenjak Snowbreak menginjak "Plan B", game gacha mana yang bakalan ngepush "Girls Only Everything"?

[@tama_12a757]

dari banyak komen komunitas lokal yg w baca gara2 jq best in slotnya acheron, mungkin pada g mau pull lanang jd pada denial😅

[@sarenlover6624]

Bro thought acheron was feixiao

[@UnbelievableLins]

Jade = skip Better Clara = skip Gaymiko = skip Fei = ??? Lingsha = skip Not being interested in minor upgrades of existing characters = being doomposter, ok. I'm better save for next ground breaking E2 bullshit they cook.

[@dreamwelch8100]

Still underrated😌

[@RealJayNice]

Hoyoverse really woke up and nerfed Jiaoqui so badly that he became a easy skip.

[@kyeopmuwda]

nerfed like v3 feixiao lol

[@justpierre1]

@@kyeopmuwda when she become more strong? Really nerfed lol

[@patrickbetar2943]

Imagine being so stupid. Y'all are gonna look soooo stupid. Jiaoqui is the equivalent to Robin. Y'all can cope however you want with Sparkle or Ruan Mei, they aren't even close to Robin in power. The same shit is gonna happen here, if you've got Acheron and do not pull for Jiaoqiu do not cry after it turns out he's a must for Acheron and ding ding ding only unit in the game that offers unconditional and always up VULN debuff.

[@yanuwwuu]

He's as doomposted as Acheron was, so you know they're gonna work well lmao.

[@SunFlower-gift]

Not hating him, but he's the easiest skip of my life. He has the npc drip, imo.

[@r3lapse_]

thx lily

[@CrusherKingZ]

I play Acheron, but nobody will make me ignore my foxian general xD

[@stormriderikki27]

In acheron team jiaoqiu is basically only for debuffs i think wont guianfen burn or astas burn suffice for it? I mean asta even boost damage by 50% + 30 speed along with debuff o.o

[@azraelgold8905]

They dont apply debuff fast enough. The math has been done. Showcase has been done. Jiaojiu is as strong as e1s1 topaz in ratio team, e0 acheron e0 jiaoqiu is as strong as e2 acheron e0 sparkle combo. Using jiaoqiu with e0 acheron even allow u to bring a harmony like robin. U can easily find the showcase on cornflake channel

[@cryophoenix6114]

Both the frequency and what the actual debuff is way better than what Gui and Asta have to offer. Jiaoqiu gives Acheron so many stacks it's not even funny. His ult, skill, ultimate, all apply debuffs and he gives Acheron a stack every time the enemies take action. Vulnerability is also very good. While Guinaifen also has it, she gives less and it takes way longer to stack. About 2 cycles to get the full benefit. And Jiaoqiu's debuffs lasts between waves, making him better for multiwave content as well.

[@kyeopmuwda]

asta/guinaifen and even pela doesn't come close to what jiaoqiu can offer and what he brings to the table.

[@shjinriven3408]

How can they beat an e2 Acheron with 2 harmony set up? Lol you're delusional ​@@azraelgold8905

[@jamess359]

​@cryophoenix6114 lil bro, Acheron teams ALREADY destroy everything, WITHOUT new 5 star. Why on earth would anyone waste pulls when Acheron current team already destroys everything?

[@scopeyui240]

banger vid

[@Moussecakess]

Why people don't understand the difference between hate what Hoyo did with his kit and what he is a character. People absolutely love Jiaoqiu. But, Hoyoverse treated him poorly, as they do usually woth male characters. I wanted to use him outside of Acheron cause i couldn't care less about her. But no. He is only her battery. Amd outside of her team, he doesn't outperform other characters. I'm pulling for him anyway, but he is a 5* with 4* performance. People say he is good with Ratio. Now...they put fkg Robin on the team...so the condition to make him works a support it's put another support. So no. It's Hoyoverse the target of doompost, not Jiaoqiu. I'm pulling for him regardless, cause i really love him. But what they did with his kit was evil.

[@arcanacoltic971]

Don't worry I have I plan. I'll take his lc and put it on my Pela. It's the exact same thing I did with Yunlis sig on my Clara 😂

[@deedee3355]

Saying Jiao is just Pela sidegrade is just another lvl of hsr community copium 😂

[@arcanacoltic971]

@@deedee3355 I never said nor think that?

[@deedee3355]

@@arcanacoltic971 so sorry, that was my bad. I guess i just really triggered a lot by all the doomposting, not like i care too much about Jiao, but even after many showcases showing how better he is compared to Pela, people still saying he is just another Pela sidegrade really triggered me.

[@arcanacoltic971]

@@deedee3355 Understandable lmao. I just like my units so I upgrade them this way so I can save more pulls. Lcs are easier.

[@SpicyChimkinSammie]

I think the pessimism originates from the utterly mediocre character design. Blud doesn't deserve a whole banner to himself, he's the very definition of a filler character. There's literally npcs in Penacony with a more unique design than this guy. They probably could have just folded Ashen Roast into Lingsha's kit and made her a hybrid Nihility.

[@vxenb7091]

According to Guoba, E0S1 JQ in Acheron team deals 30% more damage than Pela team, a 4 star unit. That's like 200 WISHES just to get you more 30% more damage which is embarassing if you compare him to a 4 star, and also a small QoL that only works in Acheron team lmao. You're better off using those 200 wishes to pull Kafka and BS then put them in E0 Acheron team atp then you got yourself 2 actual good teams. Kinda wack tbh so i understand where the doompost is coming from.

[@jamess359]

200 wishes? Your luck is dogshit 😅

[@vxenb7091]

@@jamess359 200 wishes for E0S1 is a normal amount of pulls for most people, you're out of touch with reality. 160 wishes (reach hard pity twice) for 1 limited character is pretty normal.

[@MeneTekelFares]

I think people are rightfully upset, seeing how most limited 5*s consolidate multiple roles in their kit nowadays, while he isn't even that much different from a 4* that came out over a year ago - Guinaifen. Both are Vulnerability applicators with Burn DoT, his only difference is speed of application, ease of use and better survivability coz of 5* stats and that's it. He doesn't even have a way of detonating his own DoT, when Gui can do it with her Ultimate. I also think it's fair to want at least something more creative than a reskin of an old pre-existing kit, especially when it's the first male support + first male foxian. His design currently makes absolutely 0 sense, when his Ultimate animation is a 2-sided hotpot that deploys a field with a spicy side for enemies and a mild side for allies. In his old kit, the mild side for allies would heal/buff, but now that part was completely removed and the animation stayed the same, so it just looks stupid.

[@txfffy997]

surely you didnt have enough research about how good his debuffer is, well this always been cycle on hsr player hating on character kit > then the new dps character release that need their support > then most of them regret skipping 💀 same situation like robin and aventurine they being compare to ruan mei and fu xuan, but look how the table turns 🤣

[@MeneTekelFares]

@@txfffy997 What are you even talking about, my problem isn't that he isn't strong enough, it's that he isn't different enough. I would have the same exact criticisms if they released a character that's just a copy-paste of X, but better, with better stats and faster/bigger output, that's just lazy and uncreative. It's obvious that they didn't put much effort into designing his kit, because even the animations don't match the actual ability effects, like I mentioned in my original comment. And it's not like they can't come up with interesting kits even when it falls into the same niche as a previously released character. For example, both Moze and Topaz provide similar buffs and fit into similar FuA-focused teams, but their kits are distinguished and original enough to not be considered a lazy copy-paste, even if you don't take power levels into account.

[@txfffy997]

@@MeneTekelFares whats copy paste tho? isnt nihility supposed to be debuffer??

[@shonenhikada9254]

People need to stop calling criticism for niche/subpar characters as doomposting. Not every character created by mihoyo is going to be amazing.

[@indyvidual3917]

Doomposting is an accurate characterization of many conversations around JQ though, especially when his kit was paired back on test servers

[@shonenhikada9254]

@@indyvidual3917 it really isn't. It's just shaming language made by mihoyo shills to shame people for criticizing characters with sub par kits. It's in line with them calling people meta slave.

[@indyvidual3917]

@@shonenhikada9254 only Siths deal in absolutes. YT video after YT video basically called him DoA after his initial adjustments in beta, especially as healing wouldn’t be part of his kit. Things have calmed down now but it was really insufferable early on. You may not be familiar and might have missed those so won’t fault you for it. In general yes, not all criticism is doomposting. There are valid criticisms of JQ and this shift towards more niche characters. However, the predominant initial sentiment was 100% doomposting and to try to suggest otherwise is myopic af

[@shonenhikada9254]

@@indyvidual3917 people are fine to call him DOA. If people don't like what his kit has then to them, he is DOA because he does not offer what they need In a character. This language of doomposting and meta slave Is often just use to squash actual discussion on a character being worth pulling. This ultimately only benefits mihoyo, if people are shammed for outright not being able to say that a character is subpar.

[@indyvidual3917]

@@shonenhikada9254 there’s a difference between criticism and ppl not pulling a character because they don’t need it vs saying the character is dogwater and not worth pulling at all and a insta skip. Just like Jade, JQ is the missing puzzle piece for some accounts and will open new comp options for others. Like you said, not every character is gonna be Acheron level. Conversely, just because they aren’t doesn’t mean they’re utterly worthless and unworthy of pulling. The exaggerated and unnuanced nature of that criticism is what is doomposting. Idk why you’re dead set on saying calling out said exaggeration = mihoyo shill. For the record, I’m a Wuwa/Kuro stan who’s just calling it like it is, I know doomposting when I see it because it was done to Wuwa incessantly from before it even launched. Not gonna be gaslight here and don’t care for lining mihoyo’s pockets.

[@Spider-de4jp]

Ur khia

[@kurotsuki12]

In short he's a acheron buffer, well, good, i need to save for Fate characters(maybe, the dream is on), easy skip.

[@defensivepotato1998]

Just doesn’t seem worth it -4 stars fill both niches -Acheron team is already a top performing team as is - nothing challenging about his play style or anything unique If you want a universal debuffer that’s a 4 star pick him up but if you’re wanting to be smart about it fate collab is coming and there’s plenty of new exciting characters coming out every patch I’m sure they will fill the hole jioquiu leaves😊

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

Just forget about a GOOD support character, the 5☆ Limited versions of the supports are always braindead directly better perfomance than 4☆ and nothing more, there's also kills even with the Limited (Robin killing Sparkle by a similar kit but with the reverse idea being overall 50% better. The next harmony will kill sparkle out of the problem 3 remaining teams that she's BiS

[@SadicSmile]

​@@mauriciorosademoraes9209You're comment is very difficult to understand for me. First of all, Sparkle is more oriented to hypercarry sp hungry teams while Robin shines on FuA, so they just cover different roles. Then, you have people clearing MoC12 with Natasha/Lynx as only sustain, so even if 5* are overall better, by any means u force to get them to be able to claim same rewards as someone who have. And finally, people is still using Tingyun since 1.0, Bronya still better than Sparkle on some comps, and even Hanya/Asta can be used, not to talk about Ruan Mej ofc, so who is exactly "killed"?

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

@@SadicSmile not fluent sorry. But even in my language looks like i talk alien dialogue.

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

@@SadicSmile So in resume: - Robin is similar in oppose idea of the kit comparing to Sparkle. - But Robin is better than Sparkle in even Sparkle primary BiS team of DHILL (but you can't play without Sparkle). - Aside from DHILL Robin do better perfomance in place of Sparkle and normally make others harmony and nihility more viable than Sparkle like Bronya/Tingyun and i'm seeing potential in JQ increasing her damage to 1.0 ~ 1.6 Main DPS level. The most common case is Jingyuan getting buffed by Sparkle, then Robin steal the her place and make Tingyun a better combo. - And also, Robin is AoE but do the same/better perfomance in single target 😃.

[@SadicSmile]

@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 Oh don't worry english is not my main either🤣 Ur second comment is way more clear, however I still don't see the point. The reason why Sparkle feels "off" compared to Robin/Rm is because meta shifted from hypercarry comps to FuA/Break and those 2 are monsters there, + new dps units been focused on those archetypes. But even if eventually the Sparkle 2.0 arrive that wouldn't make Sparkle 1.0 bad as she is able to clear all content. Like to make an example if we both friends and start to play at same time, and after 1 year ur team is FF+HMC+RM+Gallhager all 5* E2 S1 and mine is FF+HMC+Asta+Gallhager e0 4* lc, you will probably do a 0 cycle auto while maybe I have to do 2 try to do a 5 cycle, but that's all. You don't have hard enough content to debate if Robin is going to kill "X" were Asta and Hanya can clear MoC 12, at this point is just overkill, is like people claiming Jingliu is bad now were I can 4 cycles with her + Pela + Bronya + Lynx. And I have almost all units so I know she can't do same numbers as my Archeron, but both of them give me exactly same numbers of stars/rewards, so do I need she doing those numbers? Perhaps when we on 6.0 characters from 1.0 can't be used, but till then just have fun and pull the ch most appeal to you, since all of them are good enough for what game actually demand.

[@minddragon8427]

He need buff he is basically a jack of all trades master of none he became a must pull to easy skip.

[@gem_ola6642]

If making e0 acheron competes with e2 just with him is easy skip, well...

[@Devika2545]

​As they, say. Jack of all trades is a master of none, but is oftentimes better than a master of one.

[@vxenb7091]

​@@gem_ola6642 How is he making E0 Acheron compete with E2? Care to explain?

[@nutty_dora]

@@vxenb7091there’s a video that compare E0 acheron+JQ+Pela has almost equivalent action value in MoC compared to E2 acheron+sparkle+pela So.. easy skip ? Lol no.

[@jamess359]

​@@nutty_doraI did the same test with Acheron/Kafka/Pela/Fire MC. I got the same results with more damage per cycle with Kafka damage. Care to counter?