Jigoro Kano's LOST self defense ideas and vision 嘉納 治五郎 正当防衛 護身術

[@r.gonzalez-arangolopez8420]

Judo is such a beautiful art, it is so sad that it has been reduced to a throwing contest. There is so much more to it than just throws.

[@AD-yr6rj]

What more is there to judo than "just" the throws ?

[@filippobertone4255]

@@AD-yr6rj all pins, chokes, armbars, leglocks, strickes, weapon training, standing chockes, all of the prohibited throws (like leg grabs). When taken in its complete form, Judo is basically a compedium of all of the most effective ancient Japanese Jujitsu techniques used by the samurais, with many improvements. Still love sport Judo, I am currently a competitor at regional level, but I always dedicate two days per week training katas ergo the only place where complete Judo can still be practiced

[@AD-yr6rj]

@@filippobertone4255 Ok, thank you, i didn't judo was this complete

[@javiazar]

@@filippobertone4255 So basically everything the Brazilians took from it.

[@BobChoat]

My Uncle Keiji trained in both Kendo and Judo. He trained in the original Kodokan when Jigoro Kano was around. My uncle taught me that what become Judo today is not the same as when he learned it. He's now 108 and still influences me in the self-defense way of Judo versus the sport version.

[@Chadi]

Forgot to mention that back then Kendo and Judo had more in common, Kendo had more grappling in the past which I cover in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGmwqIWpm6-jq8U

[@otherworlder]

hi bro, where can i buy mind over muscle? merci.

[@henrikg1388]

HEMA still combines swords with grappling.

[@evanmcclure1372]

Off topic question. But I'm looking for a new gi, any recommendations?

[@marty6522]

@joe blogs I'm much more into Muay Thai and Judo these days, but I'm a black belt in Karate as well. I remember practicing the 3 Naihanchi/Tekki kata, but I'd have to say that your training on your Judo dummy would be much better time spent imo. (I have 2 very well used Judo dummies that I use daily.) If kata helps you, keep doing it. If you have other methods of training that you find more effective or fun, use them instead... or do both. (If you don't already have a heavy bag for striking, I highly recommend you get a solid 6 foot bag.)

[@transeuretoile4547]

@@henrikg1388 Indeed. While having been practicing HEMA I have understood why the Aikido techniques seems so odd. They are meant to deflect a swordman attack, as we do with HEMA (focusing on the wrist block and torsion).

[@CJ-uf6xl]

Now that is fascinating! Wonderful video Chadi, I absolutely love the direction you are taking in your studies. Thank you.

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@ericb3810]

Great stuff! Congrats Chadi. You let us remember that Judo originally was a jujutsu style or branch and not a mere form of grappling sport as it may appear today. Thanks again for your great work. Eric

[@deekaa4415]

Thank you so much for these videos. Absolutely soothing and what I turn to when I need control my temper. Always had a strong fascination with Judo, couldn't get pass the English books cause I don't speak Japanese, your research has given so much more knowledge that I sought out. I wish I could contribute more, become a patreon and support properly. Hopefully someday I can, when I have more money. Thanks again and keep up all the hard work 👍

[@Chadi]

Thank you very much, glad I can help

[@stefanobonfanti4841]

I attended a couple of lessons of traditional judo here in italy. I clearly remember it was a kata-based course and the warm up was with bokken (maybe kenjutsu?). So i think kano's mentality about judo is not completly lost yet

[@Yellow_Devil_]

Dove??

[@junichiroyamashita]

Dove?

[@stefanobonfanti4841]

Lecco

[@Chadi]

That sounds great

[@minorityofone1510]

Interesting comparison between Kano's Judo kata and my Karate kata. In Judo (and our Jiu Jitsu syllabus practice) Kata is a formalised practice of a technique with a partner. In Karate it was just solo movement and the instructors mostly had no idea what each movement represented.

[@kevionrogers2605]

Depends on the style of karate. Goju Ryu, Isshin, Ryu, and Kyokushin have application curriculum for all of their forms.

[@kyussbrooker1774]

@@kevionrogers2605 just because someone has applications dosn't make it right. We need some way to test that,

[@kevionrogers2605]

@@kyussbrooker1774 that is why karate has kumite & kakie.

[@kyussbrooker1774]

@@kevionrogers2605 Im talking more about finding the original applications, not ones that pass the pressure test.

[@kevionrogers2605]

@@kyussbrooker1774 that requires reading, which most are too lazy to do.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

Fascinating insight into his vision, thank you for making this.

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@ascaniosobrero]

The sense of kata in judo is even more difficult to grasp than in karate, where they are more visually appealing. The point is that being judo and karate practiced as sports, kata have become an aesthetic exercise. While, at least in karate, they were actually sort of "text books", to know and "automate" reactions as needed. I suppose this applies to judo as well.

[@agalvan91]

If I remember well, on the Mind Over Muscle book, Jigoro Kano said that if technological changes allowed striking to be practiced safely during randori, it should be incorporated into training. As far as I remember he kept judo to throwing and ne waza as striking was unsafe back then, but I think with current technology such as kempo equipment it could be done.

[@QuantumMech_88]

Thank You Chadi . Respect sent .

[@Chadi]

Thank you very much

[@ironmikehallowween]

Kata is basically like shadow boxing i think. I have been boxing for 50 years and it could be a thing.

[@stefanobio7045]

Hi chadi.....thank you for another very informative video, i hope you and your family are all safe and well?

[@Chadi]

Thank you Stefano, hope your family is too

[@stefanobio7045]

@@Chadi We are all good here thanks Chadi......thank you..

[@Lambert06Pasquale06]

I love your videos. I've only watched two (the other about Aikido) and you speak my mind. I read Mind Over Muscle over 10 years ago and it blew my mind. I wanted to get back into Judo, but was dismayed when I got told I could not grab the legs anymore in standing randori, as I did this, oblivious to the new rules, after an unsuccessful foot sweep. Having practiced Aikido and Kenjutsu after Judo I have a love/hate relationship with it because it has become so sportified.

[@macaquinhoATC]

Love the perspective you propose as "kata", makes so much sense to me, for example training "kumi kata". The olympic path has narrowed what It is seen as effective. Judo is way more than just a Sport.

[@paullatter1604]

Thank you. One of tHe problems with people appreciating kata is the slow speed at which it is performed.

[@NickKano11]

I still think sports Judo will prepare someone well for a 1-1 unarmed situation, but the points you raise here are completely valid. BJJ seems to be beating us on this front. While there are schools dedicated to sport, there's been a push in recent years (particularly from the Gracies) to maintain a self defence curriculum. And particularly in the US they've been beating Judo to the punch by proactively reaching out to local police departments.

[@Chadi]

Of course Judo is still very much effective, bit the curriculum is mich smaller, bjj schools are suffering too, i appreciate the Gracie schools for this effort.

[@ronin2167]

It's all about Marketing.

[@kevionrogers2605]

Carl Cestari and Roderick Tombs were my two main Judo instructors and both taught Judo Kata. Kata is very useful in organizing and teaching the curriculum. If you learn the Gokyo and kata in sequence then your progress in Judo will be smooth with a good overview of the content of Judo. If you want to just do the sport then all you really need is to be good at 8 major high percentage techniques.

[@varanid9]

Obviously, Kata works; it's how this art survived down to this day.

[@Chadi]

It's a way to preserve techniques (katame no kata is a great example)

[@jedijudoka]

Kata works in the sense that it preserves techniques as chadi mentioned. Judo owe’s a great deal of not just its survival but it’s flourishing mostly to shiai, namely, the olympics.

[@MP-db9sw]

I think its important to ackowledge one major difference between kata in Karate and kata in Judo: Bunkai. I am fascinated with Bunkai because imo it is both the dumbest/most useless and also coolest/most awesome component of Karate kata. There is much less ambiguity and imagination in Judo kata than in Karate kata and I feel like we cant have a discussion about kata if we dont address the topic of Bunkai.

[@jedijudoka]

@@MP-db9sw agreed. In each judo kata, you’re moving an actual body

[@varanid9]

@@MP-db9sw bear in mind that traditional Japanese kata are a rather different beast from Okinawan Karate kata, which are derived from Chinese "fist sets", tools for recording techniques in an illiterate society. "Kata" in the jutsu arts has a different meaning, vaguely something like "that which gives form", and uses different characters from the Karate word "kata", which, roughly, implies "that which is given form"; philosophically, they are diametrically opposed. Bunkai is useful when done realistically, as opposed to for demonstrations, but only if the true applications are used (which seems almost non-existant).

[@lucapaniconi2940]

“ The mind over muscle” is an important book that anyone involved in martial arts have to read, in my opinion. Not many known it and even few had read it. Bravo 👏

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@prvtthd401]

I know kendo used to be much more, but I wonder how it is now. Is it really all just sports as I think it is as an outsider? I mean, any outsider would think judo is just sports too, but being a practitioner I now know that is not true. So I wonder if the same could be said of kendo and to what extend?

[@Chadi]

They both have a lot to offer, but both judo and kendo have a smaller curriculum today

[@carloslopez3488]

Competition is a big part of kendo but it's not the main objective. The purpose of kendo is self improvement, not self defense/practical application, we do this by sparring, competing, doing kata among other things. I don't practice judo(would love to), but i think kendo makes a better job at preserving the core values of budo than judo, but I'm not sure since I don't practice judo.

[@LoneWolfShepherd]

Excelente! Thank you for sharing!

[@Chadi]

Thank you Kevin

[@jordanburton4147]

I brought The Art and Science of Respect (James Prince) and Mind Over Muscle (Jigaro Kano). I am currently in J. Prince's book ... i will open Mind Over Muscle very soon. Excellent point that Uchi Komi and Nage Komi are Kata. Self Defense Kata I am currently out of practice and I miss it dearly from Gracie Barra's program - the program which I developed my roots in.

[@sirseigan]

Wow! I have heard some rumors that Kano at some point perhaps maybe trained Kukishin ryu and perhaps Takagi yoshin ryu as well (as the two have gone hand in hand for a long time). But watching these old clips in the video it becomes very likely. The footwork, the atemi and openings, balance breaks, the throws - all very very similar!

[@SulingClarinet]

My school teaches goshin Jitsu and Keemino as separate Katas. We also have the bo as one of the weapons in Goshin jitsu. Keemino as it's practiced here is very similar to what we do but I'm also noticing a few subtle differences as well. I'm curious to try some of these with Keemino. That last one in this video is definitely isitzu. That one is pretty much the same to this day but I'm very interested in some of the angles they end up at as they work it.

[@ulpszulpsz5714]

Good stuff...that's how traditional MA should be done...you can see the students are compliant and offer minimal resitance..but you can also see that the instructor masters the form perfectly

[@pauldurant6240]

excellent

[@bushido007]

excellent video as always Chadi. there is something you said and overlooked. You've said that noone is carrying on Kano's idea. Well, not quite so! Kenji Tomiki you will recall was a very highly ranked judoka and aikidoka. I have read in a few places that he claimed to have been tasked by Kano with carrying out this idea. Tomiki Aikido uses the sponge knife you mentioned and they are the only style of mainstream aikido to feature judo-like randori in addition to kata. I'd say there's a good case to be made that Tomiki Aikido, created to be an appendage to Judo in many ways, achieved the task. Unfortunately, that style isn't very popular in the west.

[@Chadi]

Tomiki is underrated

[@connorshartle3383]

Chadi, sorry if you've answered this elsewhere: What is the title of the video with Mifune that you feature so often? Thank you in advance.

[@Noone-rt6pw]

I've seen it said Kano respected Funakoshi where both were making arts of their styles. Which I am curious how many of these strikes came from real karate before being an art/sports style. Where he follows up with a throw, where Funakoshi may have used other strikes. Anyone know anything?

[@Chadi]

Kime no kata you see the same approach, a throw finished with a strike

[@Noone-rt6pw]

@@Chadi That's probably being friendly for self defence,😂. As in originality, I would bet strikes were done with a weapon, where one slice, it was over. Or stab.

[@stevepanda1716]

Remember that Funakoshi didn't arrive in Japan until something like 1914. By then, the Judo syllabus was well-established. So not much came from karate into Judo. But Funakoshi did incorporate a number of throwing techniques in his karate that sure look a lot like Judo. Also, keep in mind that Funakoshi chose to popularize his karate by teaching it in the universities, whereas Kano got Judo into the lower schools. Judo was basically taught as phys. ed. in those schools, meaning that almost everyone took it. So by the time someone started karate, they might already be a shodan or above in Judo. Only natural that they would use the Judo they learned when they did their karate. Why not?

[@-oanMinhNhat]

Ancient jujitsu techniques, i hope that those techniques can be kept for long times more in future

[@Chadi]

Same

[@thomasturner4253]

Thanks for the on going education Judo use to be a more complete art Maybe with it's history being exposed Self defense aspects will make a come back

[@Chadi]

I hope so

[@MP-db9sw]

Look at Chadi, Making Kata Great Again 😂👍

[@thedukeofskull1383]

Kata does WORK ! Back in the late 1970's one of my teachers was talking about kata. Our head teacher and another black belt friend were in a debate over if kata was useless or not. So he decided to a bar and start a fight ( they said this was his wild days ). So the go into a fight and the black belt that thought kata was useless was defeated soundly. He then went back to the beginning and studyed all kata. 😀 ( This sounds made up, but is 100% true. )

[@k9m42]

Much of Kata is a live encyclopedia of techniques that are physically demonstrated. To utilize them they must be applied in drills and live sparring.

[@furiacabocla2furiacabocla589]

Its very rare to see photos from young jigoro kano ..

[@digitaldaemon74]

The x-training with other combat principles/arts sound like your Aikido teacher you had when you were younger; and the kendo + judo sounds like japanese police academy judo training. I wonder if they used this book as a source for developing their judo training.

[@เด็กพเนจร-ฝ4ษ]

The English captions for your channel always start out with "Hi, this is Shady." Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

[@Chadi]

I record sitting down

[@fre_asabird]

@@Chadi your comment is not getting enough love

[@jamealjordon1376]

I got a question... why would someone turn their mind off at kata? What poisoned kata for a great deal of practicing martial artists? If you do Judo, Karate / Tangsoodo, Aikido, Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Boxing, Kickboxing, etc. come with some version of forms / poomsae / hyung / kata / ju no kata / shadowboxing

[@thomaselmore1155]

Interesting how many of those old techniques are done the same as the early Kenpo I learned in the US. Connections in Hawaii.

[@Chadi]

I'll look into them

[@thomaselmore1155]

@@Chadi James Mitose called his system Kempo Jiu-Jitsu in Hawaii. His book written prior, but published after WW2 changed the spelling using the letter N. [What is Self Defense? Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu] No real info on him before in Japan. Ed Parker got it through William Chow maybe modified. He was teaching the same at first then he changed it too. Parker was a Judo brown belt also. Thanks for all the vids!

[@stevepanda1716]

Many of the old jujutsu scrolls refer to jujutsu by the name "torite kenpo" among other names. They often don't use the name "jujutsu". Kempo is the same as kenpo. Kenpo is pronounced "kem po" because the "n" softens when it is followed by the "po" as a rule of Japanese speech. "Kenpo" means "fist law" and is "chuan fa" or "quan fa" in Chinese. Mitose-sensei just picked the English letters that he thought would make Americans pronounce "Kenpo" correctly. Smart.

[@Quach7]

I think Highlander: the TV series brought back the popularity of swords.

[@ronin2167]

I would argue it was anime.

[@tenhirankei]

@1:50 Usually I would see this done with the purse/bag tossed at the thief threatening you with a knife immediately followed up by your attack.

[@Noone-rt6pw]

9:02, with their arms in the air like some kind of fowl, what is the idea to that? It looks odd, but behind this, there must be something. These guys did it well, where is it associated to some Japanese custom or is it Judo/jiu jitsu? Then the purpose? Where lifting the arms can help creating, as with jumping jacks, if I remember, where a person takes in plenty of air. Some might foolishly discard such where not being able to think of it, some could just call it stupid. Maybe, unless there's something to it.

[@Chadi]

It's itsutsu no kata, read what is written, this kata is more to show philosophical ideas of judo, not all of them are about techniques

[@Noone-rt6pw]

@@Chadi I still do not get it. Are they supposed to be flying or what?

[@psuedomonas1]

Probably a demonstration of aiki concept or acceptance of attack.

[@fennec812]

I think the first step for any martial art learning to practice true self defense is to start doing a couple classes a month outside, with ground beneath your feet. Seems to me we are in an age where even great martial styles have a deep disconnect with what throws to the earth actually feel like and why prolonged ground work is a different beast without tatami. Knife and gun work also really ought to be part of a self defense regimen as well. Grappling with someone who has a foam knife is an eye-opening experience.

[@Chadi]

The Mongols compete outside

[@fennec812]

@@Chadi I suppose I mean in the systems that have deeply penetrated the west (Wrestling, Judo, and BJJ). If I recall, Indian grappling also traditionally occurs in a pit. I think the disconnect is mostly apparent in competitive rule sets, however. In Judo all throws are judged against a criteria of quality rather than amplitude. While you certainly can knock someone out with an O Soto Gari, it’s much more likely you do it with a massive Ippon or Kata Guruma. BJJ, of course, severely downplays throws to the point that they are increasingly inconsequential in competition. Wrestling does score points for control but emphasis is on the pin. I think the surprisingly cushioned MMA ring also doesn’t give much opportunity for knock out by throw. It seems to me that a lot of focus is given to developing conservative, “high-percentile” techniques. There isn’t anything wrong with this on its own, but I know people even within my own training circuit that downplay the brutality of throws. I’ve lately come to a place where I believe high amplitude throws in which the thrower could have driven the uke’s head into the ground really need to be treated with similar respect as submissions. They effectively achieve the same ends. At the very least, I’d like to see more rule sets where throws are scored by amplitude and rivaled by gains an athlete can accrue on the ground. By focusing wholly on submission, it incentivizes never learning how to properly commit to larger throws that could end fights into themselves. Of course I’m mostly referring to BJJ here, but I have the inverse criticism of Judo which, by and large, has players often throwing themselves into disadvantageous or passive ground positions to acquire Ippon. Tl;Dr while I would never expect a rule set to be perfect, it seems like we are in an era of hyper specialization in which the methods/environment we learn in obscures or underplays the potential violence of high amplitude throws.

[@shadowfighter6445]

Good thing I've been practicing the sword for almost 9 years 😁, but unfortunately it's all self taught 😞, thank you for sharing 😊.

[@Noone-rt6pw]

That's better than nothing. Which if you find a swordsman, he has something to work with.

[@shadowfighter6445]

@@Noone-rt6pw True, at least I was getting exercise 😄.

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@experiment54]

@@Noone-rt6pw or tons to undo

[@rickgrimes4352]

MERCI 👍

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@SMARTIALARTS]

wise said

[@isachamidou4488]

Jigoro Kano ideas are not totally lost. Just look what they do in modern (japanese) ju-jutsu shools : as much self defense as randori. Plus there's ju-jutsu sports where these self-defense tactics can be pressure tested or used in more playful form : "Duo System", "Ju-Jutsu Fighting System", "Ju-jutsu Combat" etc

[@allenalsop6032]

There is no accent on the last syllable in the word Kata!

[@alexsandrodoprado2088]

Pratiquei judô por alguns e o kata fazia parte da rotina de nosso treino.

[@Itemtotem]

@Chadi Japanese has equal syllable stress. it is "ka-ta" like 'caw-tah'

[@fishlestat]

"Kata is the foundation of my Karate." (LaRusso, Daniel)

[@varanid9]

Did he really say that?

[@fishlestat]

@@varanid9 Yes. In Cobra Kai. When Robby saw him do it and asked Daniel what it was.

[@varanid9]

@@fishlestat Ah, I think I recall that now. Earlier I was thinking of the original movie.

[@fishlestat]

@@varanid9 Yeah. Not on KK movie series

[@vandamme6379]

Daniel is fxxking shit though.

[@Liquidcadmus]

Your videos are great. Kata exists and continues to be a part of martial arts for a reason, everything has a place and a value, but the current day kids just watch too much UFC and dismiss things they don't understand.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@michealgarcia2170]

I take kendo and iaido and judo I'm a black belt in judo I like what you said on this video.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Michael

[@michealgarcia2170]

@@Chadi pleasure

[@henryc7548]

The first thing I learned about martial arts is that if you don't spar with a technique its useless, the second thing I learned is that #1 isn't always true. I am a meagerly skilled Judoka, but I have pulled off throws in Judo that I had never tried before because I have begun to intuitively understand how Judo works.

[@fistofthenorthstar9010]

yes its every form of drilling.

[@jimlasswell4491]

How do you deal with Kano's stance that no one under the age of 15 be taken as a student?

[@kevinjoseph2650]

it 's a shame that the majority of judo schools do not teach the katas or self defence aspects of judo

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@mariorauldelapena2052]

Una joya!!!!!

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@salamangkali-allmartialart4836]

According to the FBI, less than 20% of assaults are unarmed. In my experience, less than 30% of those unarmed assaults are by one attacker. To truly be prepared for self-defense, one must train in a wife variety of weapons, situations, and stimuli.

[@stefanobio7045]

Yes....train for more than one attacker, with and without weapons, also study how to use firearms, knives, sticks etc.....practice againt fully resistant training partnets to pressure test all the techniques....

[@Chadi]

Weapon training is a must

[@salamangkali-allmartialart4836]

@@Chadi Weapon training is all you need, really, if you carry weapons.

[@ClydeRowing]

@@salamangkali-allmartialart4836 Getting access to those weapons against a determined, close range attacker isn't as easy as all that. Plus, honestly, civilians carrying offensive weapons is part of the problem.

[@salamangkali-allmartialart4836]

@@ClydeRowing It is still easier than fighting them off empty-handed.

[@ThePaulSIN]

I think this is the step forward we need to take in all fighting arts. It was developed as defense method first. Sports are fun but it seems that most schools have a sports centric philosophy. I personally find this disappointing.

[@EthanNoble]

This is why I like nik and Si at Collier Judo.

[@Chadi]

I'll cover it

[@EthanNoble]

@@Chadi Awesome! They have a Patreon where they go over Atemi and utilize Cus D'Amato's Peekaboo style.

[@fredazcrate4362]

🤔💯👌👊👍

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@TT-lg7ip]

So JK's vision for 'kata' was then very similar to the drills in todays bjj!?

[@youknowme1475]

did Kano ever teach gun defence?

[@Chadi]

Not entirely sure

[@alexmerlin061]

Self defens techniques are called bunkai not kata😉

[@kerpal321]

is that mr miyagi

[@Chadi]

Kyuzo Mifune

[@rafaelsantana1707]

I have a ? Seen al this move I don't think in judo today they don't teach this move setting an nife an any defense againt weapon . Now people said the Aikido is not good o not work in on street but aikido have defense againt weapon my point . Also ok judo is good but they should teach son self defense apart from the sport for people mature the don't whant to do Sport 👍 me an 50 and for my eage I don't look for practice sport marcial art I know today much every Marcial Art the make sport 😳😠 went in the beginning it was pour self defense aikido it no for sport 👍 wing chun not sport the I know , jeet kun do Bruce Lee Stay is not sport an Bruce Lee whant something good for the street ? Thad way alot of old master o marcial Artes don't like hen but using he Stail in a Ring none can't wim hen all cage fights are Rule , weigh division maybe Bruce never compet in a cage mash because the Rule like Krav maga 😳👍is the sain the jeet kune do not Rule no time anything goes you know you be Ready for anything the come to you so Yes I agree the in the Judo they should have some techic for the street I like 👍 the Judo am looking to Practice and like I say Judo and aikido together do well thad is my opinions because the 2 is what Samurai used in the beginning do any 1 agree 👍

[@henrikg1388]

The highly formalized kata of Judo is pretty much crap, but a tradition of Judo and serves it's purpose. If we're talking about pressure testing modernized self-defense drills, then I am all for it. I just wonder if kata is the correct word. You have kata or forms in many martial arts and they all resemble traditional Judo katas in style and execution.

[@Chadi]

It serves a purpose but it's not self defense, maybe we can call pressure drills "live kata"

[@henrikg1388]

@@Chadi Why not? Kano obviously had something like that in mind.

[@Chadi]

@@henrikg1388 indeed