Jim Cornette on Dante Martin's Leg Injury At ROH Supercard Of Honor 2023

From Episode 476 of the Jim Cornette Experience
Guest Artist: Maurice Freeman (FreeMAN) ( / free_mangoberry )
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[@InvisibleHotdog]

The universe is trying to tell these guys something. Darius gets injured, comes back, injured again in a car accident, comes back, now Dante is injured. They're 22 and 23.

[@christian6455]

Yeah that sad

[@TheMrAlgoh]

Dominic Mysterio is somewhere laughing, saying "stupid, sooo stupid!"

[@OmegaRedFan]

​@@TheMrAlgoh I'm trying to say something funny but youtube is stupid again

[@tw475]

man, they could have a great future. they are going to blow it, before the big paydays at this rate.

[@anonamatron]

Dante definitely benefitted from Darius being out. I actually really thought they should do something to get Darius over when he came back because at that point it was kind of like "who the fuck is this guy?", but maybe now we'll see what he can do directly. Dante will definitely be out for a while.

[@alanmcdonald469]

It is a genuine minor miracle that AEW hasn't legitimately killed somebody with all of the nonsense that they've done over the past four years now.

[@bigc181]

They're not finished yet.

[@tlbryant4697]

It will happen eventually they keep up there stupidity

[@PreacherJenkins]

That might change if Tony doesn't stop being a goddamn moron

[@MoxyOh]

Honestly that Julia Hart table spot from like a year ago *should* have killed her.

[@Teee762]

Matt Hardy came close.

[@dannybaum3874]

The irony about these outrageously dangerous bumps is that they’re done so frequently on these kinds of shows that the only way anyone remembers them is if there’s some sort of catastrophic injury or result

[@TheMrAlgoh]

Shane Mcmahon vs Dante Martin in a break a leg match

[@michaelhauser6440]

It's like mass shootings. Only the first or the biggest are remembered and not really even then

[@dr6770]

And even if they are remembered like this, it's only for like a week. This is something that will last longer than 15 mins but after this week, I'm telling you, no one will care or even remember. These guys can't work so the only way they can be the talk of the town for 15 mins is to nearly kill themselves.

[@channeljohnnyYT]

@@TheMrAlgoh does the person who breaks their leg first win or lose?

[@redroversk]

like the time rey fenix flew threw a table and his elbow overextended gruesomely

[@TheTopTurnchuckle]

“Alright, Dante. Go out there and break a leg”

[@wilcee238]

😆

[@daviddzwonkowski4722]

😐😳🥴😐😭😅😅

[@QAZ-OMEN]

Imagine if someone actually said that to him before the match

[@Mecanotech]

@perkman05 too soon.

[@jmwvirgil]

Consider how much everyone adored Gunther vs Sheamus vs Drew at Mania. They took almost no risks at all and had an absolute banger. Sometimes less is more.

[@kevinpayton2664]

Exactly. That was a top-2 or 3 match all WrestleMania weekend.

[@savagereaper6291]

But when you are built like middle schoolers, you gotta be flashy. You can't convince people you can actually win a fight so you become a human crash dummy and live off of cheap pops by taking ridiculous risks.

[@erickmack4131]

Sheamus vs who vs who???

[@jmwvirgil]

@@erickmack4131 Drew (McIntyre) has been around just as long as Sheamus has. Gunther was the Intercontinental Champion going into the match. Great match, well worth the watch.

[@lsj6721]

@@jmwvirgil that guy is a fucking AEW bot. as if any of the fucker in there is not a "who"?

[@carlms9753]

meanwhile, all aew marks are saying "accidents happen", they never gonna blame Mark Khan for allowing green guys do stupid shit...

[@CalSaurous]

'accidents happen' every week in AEW.

[@Didhewin]

@@James-if3kc he didnt care about wrestlers till it went pg...

[@Treklosopher]

​@@Didhewin They worked a heavy schedule but never did the WWF do the kind of stupid shxt that happens on AEW every week. You clearly don't know the hell you're talking about.

[@al5306]

@@Didhewin He didn't care about the wrestlers until he learned more about concussions. Chris Nowinski's work helped clean WWE up. Fewer people were taking head bumps. Wrestlers also stopped getting staph infections when they stopped blading.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

Accidents Every Week

[@thesupervisor3270]

They should show everybody in training school this footage and say “you see this”? “Don’t do shit like this”!

[@Thurmanatr16]

Never, ever go full Sid leg.

[@dannymcelroy922]

Applies in every aspect of life. Not just rasslin. You never go full sid leg!!

[@TheFailedmessiah]

Sids was a clean break. Dantes looked like an industrial accident where he put it in some machinery to get twisted around.

[@desisdosis473]

​@@TheFailedmessiah Just watched it. It was physically sickening 🤢

[@TheFailedmessiah]

@@desisdosis473 worst I’ve ever seen.

[@TheFailedmessiah]

@@desisdosis473 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpvSqGCepbCnpa8 This is bad too in mma, also Anderson’s was bad too. But those are shoots

[@njfrightclub]

First, I think Dante's ankle twisted a complete 360. Second and more disturbing to me is that the AEW fans on Twitter are defending it by basically saying "Well, shit happens. It's not ballet. This isn't Tony Kahn's fault." That honestly disgusts me

[@parisbeech2180]

AEW fans are dumb and clueless

[@Abioticwinter]

It was 180 that thing was reversed it was nasty. He's a baby. 20 years when he's in his early 40s he will be retired and hurting. Or like workers of old get hooked on drugs for the pain. Bumps already hurt. You don't need to add more.

[@njfrightclub]

@@Abioticwinter The kid will be lucky if he's able to keep the foot.

[@d.52555]

He’s out 2-4 years guaranteed and he will have to get plates and steel put in his leg and foot. What a dumb dude, same for the producer (if there was even one) of that match.

[@Hakeem990]

​@@d.52555 Hopefully not that long

[@jameswhite1293]

Dante and everybody else in AEW and wrestling in general need to understand their health and well-being is more important than getting a cheap pop by jumping off a building or some other stupid stuff they tend to want to do

[@3rdhanson778]

​@@bryrobinson5609 Sure Ill let the undertaker mankind one slide. But the Edge spear was done at THE biggest show. Dante and others are risking long term injury on dark,rampage,RoH . If youre gonna do it, do it for a fat payday and make it iconic. I dont like saying this and I pray to god Im wrong. Someone will be paralyzed or worse in AEW someday if they keep this shit up.

[@CulEdz]

@@bryrobinson5609 they were also done sparingly and those matches became legendary. Can you tell me any memorable spots from that match that would be talked about in 5 years time? In 10 years time? No you know what people might talk about? When Dante’s career is cut short and they’ll mention this injury as a factor.

[@jesuszamora6949]

​@Bry Robinson Stop, we were already balls-deep in the Attitude Era when that happened. Wrestling was at the hottest point it would ever be. In the moment, it worked, but the generations that didn't understand that it wasn't JUST the moment have numbed us all. There's a reason the VAST majority of people who watched then aren't watching now.

[@Dan-ni7qv]

I disagree. The only reason for someone like Dante Martin to exist is to destroy his health for my amusement. Fuck his wellbeing. If Dante Martin wasn't a professional crash test dummy, he wouldn't be anything at all. Not to single out Dante Martin. This goes for all of them. Wrestlers are meant to die young or be disabled at an early age. That's literally their job.

[@jonwolfenden]

It’s a shame the guys & company aren’t smarter. Every show it seems like someone does something incredibly risky but nobody remembers it 2 weeks later and aew does a terrible job pushing these daredevil acts after the fact. The hell in the cell in 98 with Taker & Mankind was so special because nobody had done anything like that in wwf and it wasn’t done every week. Plus for the next couple months wwf announcers would put Foley over big time & they showed the clip a bunch.

[@THEBIGHASH]

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ASCUMBAGWh0re]

And he WON ! !

[@parisbeech2180]

Yep

[@goby1764]

I wonder if these guys think that big spots will improve their standing as a wrestler. Like nobody gives a shit that you can do a flip. What people care about is character. Making sure that you're living your gimmick and that your gimmick is good is entirely more important than doing stupid shit like this and getting hurt. The saddest part is that Dante will still be pretty much nobody when he comes back. This doesn't make him cooler, it just exemplifies that he's foolish for taking a spot like that. Spots are exactly what they're named after, they only last for a moment in people's minds. Characters last forever.

[@ASCUMBAGWh0re]

@@goby1764 1 trick ponies man. All they know is this shi. However it'd be nice if theyd evolve as they go. I don't get it myself

[@knivemares588]

If I had to choose between sitting in catering for a check or wrestling like I’m trying to disable myself before I see 30… I’ll pick sitting around any day of the week

[@rubenarriaga3029]

For sure! Eat catering and pick the brain of the legends

[@MrRjh63]

in AEW somehow you could end up doing both.

[@insupportofjunhado]

I chose not being a wrestler, and that worked out just fine. Granted, a friend of mine chose wrestler, and I'm glad he managed to last five years without getting injured before realizing the business wasn't the one he fell in love with and left. I'd have loved to have been proven wrong, with like five viable wrestling companies being established in the US, with well worked matches, well promoted shows, strong booking, a union, health insurance, doing better ratings than football et. all, but sometimes it pays to be cynical.

[@user-do2ev2hr7h]

The problem is that they've now created an environment where a lot of (their) fans no longer consider these bumps unnecessary and won't accept a match/show without them. That makes it something that would be difficult to dial back even if they did want to. Once they establish an expectation, no matter how unrealistic or foolish it may be, it's almost impossible to not deliver on that expectation without a backlash from their audience.

[@deanw0rmer]

Excellent post. The fans are the problem. You can thank Mick Foley and ECW for this

[@DaggerPrince]

there were matches in AEW that were just real wrestling and not the monkey spot fests, such as when CM Punk, MJF or like FTR worked and the fans always enjoyed it incredibly. because Real wrestling gets over. more over than anything else and to the widest possible audience. it is the only thing that Truely makes someone feel. like recently MJF and Daniel Bryan had the fans in the palm of their hand and all they did was Real wrestling. spots cant accomplish all that. i think if everything in AEW was suddenly just real wrestling not only would the show flourish but we would see that the fans like it far more than random spot fests. because when a TRUE wrestling match is going on infront of you, no matter how hard oyu try not to care, you Will care. and you Will get immersed, as long as the match is good, done by professionals.

[@chico1680]

​@Aly Shelley Exactly. Cody vs Dustin proved classic wrestling done correctly still works.

[@jasonmerchant2451]

Competent booking would help solve the issue.

[@presidentskroob]

Maybe that’s the problem. They’re still worried about catering to that niche “wrestling” fanbase instead of learning how to actually work and generate new fans that don’t care how many flips were done with each move set and just want to see something that looks like a legitimate fight.

[@masterairhart]

When they release the inevitable rise & fall of aew dvd Jericho will be all over it saying “if they would’ve just listened to me everything would’ve been better”

[@bash8387]

I’m just glad no one listens to jericho

[@masterairhart]

@@bash8387 you’d be surprised lol if Russo has listeners you know Jericho does 😂

[@smackdowngod]

I have already preordered my copy of the dvd. It’s going to happen sooner than people think.

[@jovanss2361]

One fan said on Twitter, that we shouldn't be blaming the style of match... it wasn't even the most dangerous spot in the match Not even the most dangerous spot... he had to twist from going face first through a table 20 feet in the air landing on the outside

[@sinethembamkhize1780]

The funny thing is Penta El Zero M chose not to take the belts when he was hanging on the hook, just so he can do that Canadian destroyer. This could have been avoided by finishing the match.

[@totallykoolyeah]

So he didn't kick out?

[@bigbodybenz600]

Lol I watched the clip online and that was my first thought! 🤣 “oh he’s right there and he’s going to grab the belts so when does Martin hurt himself “

[@emperorburton]

Psychology is dead.

[@tomwigal8856]

He most likely did what he was told

[@kp-wp8tx]

Just as vinces hiring policies in the 1980s encouraged steroid use, Tony's hiring policies today, encourage injuries.

[@ramontorres8424]

Tony Khan is not interested in booking matches where there is a compelling storyline, a logical match structure. No, the man is only interested in booking an internet, viral sensational high spot. This is why wrestlers are getting injured for no reason, wrestlers trying to top another's high spot

[@parisbeech2180]

Preach brother Preach

[@parisbeech2180]

@perkman05 yep

[@smackdowngod]

What are you trying to say? That he doesn’t know how to book a wrestling match? He’s booker of the year! Derp! Ugh!

[@xploit811]

There is a lot of life in Corny's voice, very energetic podcast.

[@matthew8323]

Jeeze Pal ya say it like the man was on his death bed 🛏️

[@OmegaRedFan]

That's messed up

[@PabloLaConecta]

With severe breaks like that, he may never fully recover. Career ending injury.

[@northleedspoppa]

Leg breaks aren't career enders It doesn't really matter how gruesome it looks .if it was clean brake he could be back in 12 weeks If bone breaks through skin.. it's normally a career ender due to infection

[@PabloLaConecta]

@@northleedspoppa They absolutely can be. Chris Weidman snapped his leg in an MMA fight, he's been out for over two years, with multiple surgeries and stem cell treatment. He is hoping to be back this year, but there is no guarantee the bone will be as before.

[@PabloLaConecta]

@@northleedspoppa Also google leg breaks in sports that have ended careers, there's been a bunch in English football alone.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

​@@northleedspoppa 12 weeks? Dude, what?

[@minimalchill]

Going hot/cold again and again with booking due to his or his brother’s injuries will “kill” his career if he doesn’t slow down.

[@Xeryoc]

I wish Dante well in recovering but at the same time I feel like AEW/ROH fans and even the wrestlers themselves are so desensitized to this sort of thing happening. Yes botches and accidents happen in every promotion but its the fact that its so damn frequent on their end that its concerning.

[@kaijusoshingeki7214]

Even if the move went as Penta intended it, Dante was gonna get hurt. Nobody needs to take a flipping piledriver onto a stack of tables

[@Harry-sc1xk]

(from a ladder in on top of a ring as well) 🤣

[@joshuaDstarks]

I’ll take a Stan Hansen match over any of these acrobatic demonstrations any day of the week.

[@thedishonestjeffsokol2489]

Don't say the name Hansen in my presence please pal, horrible flashbacks

[@parisbeech2180]

​@@thedishonestjeffsokol2489 stan hansen

[@beefy1986]

​@@thedishonestjeffsokol2489 Stan Hansen YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTHHHH

[@chwenhoou]

I saw the video of that on AEW Botches. It was not a pretty sight. I feel bad for Dante, but you can't say this was unexpected. He should not have been involved with that match. This is just another damning fact against Tony Khan's wrestling company. Something needs to happen before this becomes another Owen Hart-level tragedy.

[@raymonderrity1419]

Jim Ross retweeted that video.

[@chwenhoou]

@@raymonderrity1419 I spotted that as well. When your color commentator is pointing out the company's issues, you have problems.

[@jcorona984]

Poor kid Sid Vicious'd himself.

[@ThirteenOhEight]

The most ridiculous thing about it all was that the guy that was supposed to be giving the move had his hand on the thing holding the belts. He was already up there to grab those belts which is the whole point of the match!

[@al5306]

AEW/ROH is video game wrestling. Nothing makes sense.

[@parisbeech2180]

​@@al5306 facts

[@Harry-sc1xk]

That's because he had to destroy his mortal enemy of the last two years, Dante Martin... oh wait. It was a randomly thrown together match 🙄

[@125henni]

I grew up in the era of Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles, Sabu, and all of the other great high flyers of our generation. But once i got older and realized how often these guys get hurt i focus more on the safety of my favorite performers. I love spot fests, but damn sometimes you don't have to take those risks.

[@minimalchill]

Spot fears should be earning. Not the norm weekly.

[@bloodeagle6458]

Your the problem

[@desisdosis473]

Even Sabu never did something THAT stupid.

[@bryany4828]

They knew their limits at least

[@deanw0rmer]

A guy got hurt in a high spots match? Imagine that

[@JuggyBohab]

Combative Parkour is the best description for this style I've ever heard.

[@therudesociety5373]

I didn’t even know this PPV existed until the injury video came out.

[@thegarygnushow7921]

That ankle has left the chat and logged off.

[@louio]

Jim called it! He said for the past years someone was going to get hurt

[@der_jannik_0115]

Well yeah, duh.. not like Dante was the first one to get hurt

[@JohnTorres1987]

That’s not prophetic. Someone gets hurt in wrestling all of the time. But this was just absurd.

[@TomFoolery350]

They have a injury every month in Tony Khan land. That's not even exaggerating.

[@craigtownsend2332]

Their been people hurt, he means hurt badly career ending.

[@franklinmardy8171]

Yup smh

[@MatthewSmith-nc3vg]

This was the first show that during the media scrum Tony Khan didn't mention buy rates

[@lukesablade]

​@James The crowd looked like people dragged in of the streets.

[@louio]

​@@lukesablade lol

[@charleswilson4526]

He’s a guy who wrestles a spotty athletic style. He doesn’t cut promos or has this amazing charisma. If the ankle injury screws up his agility that much, he either has to learn how to work or basically retire. Kerry von Erich lost his foot but he looked so good, was charismatic and was so over and was able to still wrestle his style while still doing drugs. That’s the difference between a “pro wrestler” and a pro wrestler

[@michaelmcdonald193]

Jokes aside, who doesn't feel sick seeing what the end result was? No one should feel good about what Dante is now going through

[@rupe82]

I've seen it happen a number of times in the UFC and every time it makes me feel sick.

[@TheJJWA]

I was at the show and it definitely let the air out of the room.

[@dguytheguy4653]

I feel good because he is dumb

[@Koopa13]

@@rupe82 only 3 times in history it doesn’t happen that much

[@josgor9061]

It was funny as hell. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[@thedoobieshrew0244]

Hope he will be alright cos that foot looked like it could spin around 360.

[@PabloLaConecta]

Very high chance he will never fully recover from a break like that.

[@troystaunton254]

Only break I’ve ever seen like that was in an NRL match in Australia. The Brisbane broncos Winger Jahral Yow Yeh landed awkwardly snapped his leg similar to what this bloke has done, and as a result he had 9 operations to correct it, and to this day he walks with a pronounced limp. This all happened on 2012 so I know medical science has advanced but I would be surprised if it’s changed that much. Then again. 20 years ago a torn acl was the end of your career. 15 years ago it was a 2 year lay off. 5 years ago it was 6 months.

[@d.52555]

@LikeIGiveADamn and even then, Sid barely did a bump in the ring when he had that Heath slater segment

[@jamaalmoses8821]

I hope Dom as a heel learns to work more like Eddie after he turned heel in 1997.Eddie slowed down w the high flying..and eventually became a credible main eventer.

[@thedogcalledno]

They did a similar spot a few weeks ago with Guevara and action andretti, and they almost broke their legs. These high spots they do here are ridiculous.

[@TheGrittyUrbanSaga]

What a shame. 😢 Unnecessary.

[@beeaveragegaming3482]

That word is a constant thing associated with AEW

[@parisbeech2180]

Tony khan trying to get a rating but yes it was unnecessary

[@nonyabusiness9192]

I agree. I can't figure out the Canadian destroyer. It's stupid.

[@Lionheartx675]

Imagine Penta telling you backstage “and then I’m gonna Canadian destroyer you off a 10ft ladder through 4 tables outside on the floor” and you go along with it. Hard to feel sympathetic for a guy who went along with mark bullsh- like that. 🧐

[@6ANUR34DT81S]

Jesus, I would've told Penta to fuck off with that shit 😭😂

[@Ai14106]

He doesn't speak English well so probably went like "I give Canadian destroyer from ladder to table"

[@getschwifty9531]

Refreshing to come across a comment that preaches accountability here. He should've just said no.

[@daviddzwonkowski4722]

​@@Ai14106 even worse. He's been working in America for so long yet isn't trying to learn the language? Dumb n lazy to me idk

[@Abioticwinter]

I would of told him he's fucking crazy. Try it and he will eat tables. Just like the ECW head chair shots. Nope told a guy long ago he did that to me after the show he will have an appointment. It's a show stop trying to kill yourself. Those guys are idiots.

[@CashColorCannabis]

The night this happened, I was wondering how Jim would cover this

[@Abioticwinter]

Been waiting on this one to drop. Brian needs to let JC go crazy. This crap pisses me off.

[@Hilversumborn]

Hi, I’m Dante Martin and welcome to Jackass

[@nickt.7305]

The most compelling matches on the show were Claudio-Kingston and Samoa Joe-Mark Briscoe. There were minimal risks and the crowd was engaged. The ladder match was full of needlessly high risk maneuvers and the crowd didn’t appear to very responsive. I had an ominous feeling from the start of the match. I don’t understand how they can allow these guys to attempt these dangerous spots. I looked away when I realized what Penta and Dante were attempting. Hopefully someone will put an end to this. They attempted a Canadian destroyer off a bridged ladder onto four tables. Someone could’ve died.

[@TheeCoachg]

How many injuries has Rey Mysterio caused and/or had in his 30yr career I wonder? Im not buying that in order to do Lucha you constantly gotta get hurt or hurt others and the Lucha Bros ALWAYS have some sort of injury in their matches over unnecessary spots. And the Martin brothers are forever getting injured doing sh*t they dont know how to do smh

[@joshuaDstarks]

To be fair, Rey lost an eyeball on live television.

[@Boxing-Content]

I mean, Rey has killed someone, so not a great example.

[@Jeolish]

I could only imagine what that felt like.. I've been dealing with an ankle/foot injury since October of last year and I'm just now starting to feel like I can walk normal again not fully recovered but I'm getting there.. (Sidenote I met Dexter Lumis in physical therapy it was so random lol) Yeah Donte got hurt worse than me so I bet he's out for a good while. I'm tired of these crazy ass spots that are meaningless!

[@MrRjh63]

@LikeIGiveADamn Damn it was that bad? that will require major surgery to fix and will likely never be the same after.

[@d.52555]

@LikeIGiveADamn he’s out 2 years guaranteed, he’ll be lucky if it’s just 2 years.

[@desisdosis473]

​@@MrRjh63 It was much worse than Sid's honestly.

[@jesuszamora6949]

When someone dies in an AEW ring (and as Brian said, ROH is the same company), that's the wrestling business. Management in Endeavor will pull WWE back to avoid any media flak, but the wrestlers nowadays don't know how to make stories and draw people through emotion. Wrestling is headed toward disaster.

[@Abioticwinter]

There was a reason WWF/E banned a list of moves. Somethings are to dangerous and not worth it. These are "pros" act like a freaking pro then. No one remembers their endless spots and finishers that don't finish.

[@ultimog3739]

@@Abioticwinter but people will remember seeing someone snap there leg.

[@Abioticwinter]

@@ultimog3739 Yeah, I still remember Sid Vicious nasty leg break in WCW vs Scott Steiner. That was like from the second rope.

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@Abioticwinter Sid is the first guy I've heard of being pressured to add a high-flying move, and the first time that pressure screwed up a career. God, that shit still sends shivers down my spine.

[@TheTalk23]

Match really made no sense. Penta could've just grabbed the belts. Isn't that the point of a ladder match? Grab the belts.

[@FirstNameJ0hn]

The way he snuck in that mattress promo was amazing.

[@BBoy4040]

That Komander-Vikingo Match is heavily overrated. They're just flipping and waiting in position and making sure they're balancing right. Besides the Destroyer off the ropes, you can tell they're going through repeated spots in their head that they've done in Mexico because there was no story or emotions in their face, or selling, just spot to spot to spot.

[@john_blues]

That ad transition was GOLD.

[@ImJustHereWithaBeer]

The Canadian Destroyer was awesome when Petey Williams as doing it in TNA 20 years ago. Now it's overexposed like the super kick and the reverse hurricurana.

[@Hypno_BPM]

they could’ve just did a powerbomb and it would’ve gotten the same result from the crowd but nope , gotta do the flippy flips

[@Janon48]

How the Martin ever even been healthy at the same time? One of them is always breaking something

[@rabbivj]

Yeah Darius kept getting injured.

[@dominicarroyo6269]

​@@rabbivj that's gonna hurt them both no pun intended. They are so injury prone it's ridiculous and someone like the WWE and etc will never sign them because of that,they keep this up and their careers will end completely. I've rarely seen their matches but I hear constantly of them getting hurt and being put out of action for awhile

[@rabbivj]

@@dominicarroyo6269 on no I agree. They’re career outside aew is fucked.

[@X9Z17]

@@dominicarroyo6269 there’s WWE injury prone, and AEW injury prone; I don’t think those two things are equal necessarily.

[@NeRo-uwu]

@@dominicarroyo6269 Yeah I mean with the insane shit they do on a weekly basis, that's not being injury prone... Just insane moves you should never attempt for a pop of the week before next wednesday night someone hops from a car to another while they go at 150MPH or something...

[@blaizecunningham6080]

You'll be amazed at how many "fans" are saying they are ok with this spot, because, as far as they can see, it's either you have spots like this, or we go back to "boring" matches from back in the early 80s. They can literally see no middle ground between a Canadian destroyer off a ladder on to four tables and a match with no high spots in it. They'll actually say if you didn't like, or hated, this spot; "what, don't you want any table spots, like in the 80s?" or "so no dives of the top rope, like in the 80s?". I'm literally sitting their telling them "how about no spots that amount to attempted murder? How about we don't throw money at wrestlers to kill themselves?". It's amazing how many fans think you have to have spots like this otherwise the match is boring, and there's no middle ground between piss-break matches and this crap.

[@redspiralray2880]

Or they give the argument "as if there haven't been accidents in wrestling before these spots existed 😂😂😂" They'll use any psychotic argument to justify people trying to kill each other in the ring.

[@zackwyatt169]

I would rather have a “boring” 80’s match then someone doing a pointless stunt for a cheap pop than ends up getting their foot backwards

[@greghuffman3061]

That helix sleep ad at the end is lawl

[@vahnsose]

Maaaaaaaaaan, Jim... I've been waiting for u to speak on this

[@Sparkledash1]

"When will they stop and think about what they're doing?" That's your first mistake Corny. They do not think.

[@gipsydanger7]

The review I was waiting for and Jim didn’t disappoint

[@leeberry689]

I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever get to see the Martins ever wrestle together for any length of time in this lifetime. If one isn't seriously hurt the other is.

[@chrisdraves33]

I was at the Ring of Honor show in Milwaukee that Jim talked about

[@SairajRKamath]

Hope Dante gets better, but this is further proof that MJF is the smartest worker in AEW.

[@parisbeech2180]

Facts

[@garyhen2028]

Lincoln logs! I loved those, ahhhh that was a refreshing mind warp to when i was 5_8!

[@joemixon834]

At least Shane had his gruesome injury on the grandest stage of them all.

[@badladyami]

Shane's was on a plain spot due to age and overtraining. That's an accident. AEW deals in wanton recklessness.

[@joemixon834]

@@badladyami yep but if you're gonna injure yourself do it at WrestleMania not some PPV that didn't even get 3000 people to watch it.

[@theneedfulniche]

Over the last few years AEW -Matt Hardy got the bad concussion against I think Darby? -Fenix snapped his arm against Luchasaurus -Ruby Soho got hurt (her neck?) against Taya and Sammy -The Bunny hurt her neck against Hayter -Dante Martin snapping his ankle in the RoH ladder match -Ricky Starks broke his neck against Adam Page -Lance Archer broke his neck against Eddie Kingston Vs WWE -Big E's neck was broken against Ridge -Shane McMahon tore his quad against the Miz Who am I missing?

[@tsaicho]

Ricky Starks broke his neck against Hangnail Adam Page. Lance Archer broke his neck against Eddie Kingston.

[@giancarlocrumps7564]

Jesus I just watched it OMG 😰😰 His ankle broke all the way He would NEVER be the same again that's for sure

[@Billinois78]

If these AEW guys were guitarists, all they would be doing is relying on the spectacle of smashing their guitars or setting them on fire all the time instead of learning to play and write songs.

[@BobHowler]

Some of them. The others would just be playing ridiculously fast solos, constantly, for 20 minutes. Impressive in glimpses, but no dynamics or tension/release, so boring if you sit through the whole things.

[@chg6411]

That transition to the helix was the greatest in the history of this show since it has done sponsored ads

[@ren17x50]

Reminds when that large Mexican woman wrestler break her ankle doing a table spot. No way to do it without hurting yourself

[@blinkth3dog]

i feel so awful for him, i had my leg, tib and fib shattered by a hit and run, to this day broken bones make me black out and gag. i cant imagine his pain [i blacked out]

[@joeytocd]

“Everything, everywhere, all the time.” “Wrestling” in 2023.

[@windmanv3158]

Was waiting for this one.

[@ragejinraver]

And yet these AEW marks are gonna continue to want these wrestlers . To do ridiculous unnecessary high spots . This is why that company is a complete and utter joke . Zero wrestling psychology

[@M_Perry530]

Been waiting on this one.

[@shootwithjets]

Randy Orton said in an interview, the key to longevity in their career is not to take crazy bumps

[@rikscott6091]

I had a bad feeling about a few of the setups in this match and was thinking something is bound to go wrong if they keep doing stupid, dangerous, UNNECESSARY spots... then both Dante and Penta start precariously moving into position for that destroyer spot and I'm done at that point. Shame they went through with it. I enjoy Dante and Darius in singles and tag - they'll end up not having any sort of fulfilled career if they are placed into these situations. Health and career first. It's not worth satisfying the minority of hardcore bump fans for a move that can end (and has ended) careers early. Why risk your livelihood?!

[@DaggerPrince]

not just "why risk your livelihood" but also "why risk your life" at this point with the things they do.

[@rubenarriaga3029]

Well said bro!

[@rikscott6091]

@@DaggerPrince absolutely. I agree.

[@d.52555]

At this point, I don’t blame certain talent wanting to stay in catering like Eddie Kingston LOL

[@crazypretzel1012]

I really hope Dante recovers and can still go at or close to where he was...but I really hope this is a wake up call that these guys need to stop doing the stupid unnecessary b.s and learn to work a safe and normal match and have a long career if they want to keep doing pro wrestling. The niche audience in AEW will watch the show whether they do dangerous stuff or safe stuff.

[@insupportofjunhado]

For every Jesse Sorensen or Perro Aguayo Jr. who get injured in legit freak accidents there are ten times the Nick Mondo, Sammy Guevara, and hate to state it, New Jack types doing things they had no business trying in the first place. Truth is a snap mare or chin lock can snap your neck, but those things can easily be controlled. Willie Hobbs on the wobbly ladder reaching for something that took his full height was in the realm of things not under control, and what has the company learned from that?

[@maskedninja876]

It's hard to argue that they DON'T deserve to get hurt atp.

[@bigbodybenz600]

I wouldn’t say that they deserve to get hurt. They’re performers putting on a show for people’s entertainment. They’re not violent criminals like a child predator or something lol. I get what you mean but yeaaa

[@maskedninja876]

@kaczok I think that WAS the best case scenario. I mean, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@alysone685]

I've heard some clowns defend this spot with "well all wrestling is dangerous, you can get hurt doing anything!" Driving a car is dangerous. Does that mean you should drive drunk and without a seatbelt?

[@2DFightergaming]

Imo, it's kind of screwed up that it's one of the Lucha Bros that gave him this ridiculous move. It wasn't too long ago that Rey Fenix snapped his arm in half in a similar fashion by taking a power bomb from the ring apron, to the outside of the ring and through a table. Now they go and do something that looks even worse to Dante Martin by upping the anti to standing on ladders and doing a similar stunt. If anyone should have known not to try this, it should have been the Lucha Bros after how Rey's arm was folded in half.

[@WillS724]

Tony Kahn CAN'T SAY NO to these guys because he doesn't want to be the bad guy.. he couldn't handle being the bad guy. And it's a shame because someone is going to die in a ROH/AEW ring in a meaningless match for under a million viewers on a random Wednesday all because Kahn CAN'T say "that doesn't sound like a good idea"

[@mxgg139]

He won’t say no because he pops to this shit too

[@rudyrusso711]

Lawsuits aside...AEW is a breeding/training ground for "WHAT NOT TO DO IN PRO WRESTLING!"

[@parisbeech2180]

Good point

[@whidoineedthis]

After i saw the match, I was waiting on this review. To be honest, i thought it be worse. He took it light on these guys this time.

[@zeokin2522]

Was really hoping the artist would have put Dante's face on Fred from SpongeBob..."MY LEG!!"

[@zachg2735]

Brian's also right. Seems like if you don't hear the crowd go "ooOOOohHHhhh!" or "this is awesome" then nothing matters

[@richardcoreno]

It entered the Joe Theismann zone.

[@tlbryant4697]

Sid vicious as well

[@kevinpayton2664]

I remember Joe's injury. Dante's was that bad?

[@tlbryant4697]

@@kevinpayton2664 yea his knee was one way hit foot was the other.... it wasn't backwards like Joe but just as floppy and twisted

[@kevinpayton2664]

@@tlbryant4697 Wow

[@tlbryant4697]

@@kevinpayton2664 yea man I saw it and was in shock... I'm just glad it wasn't his neck tbh. The bad thing is I personally don't think he will ever be a high flyer again.

[@zaad5273]

It was Penta on this one, not Fenix

[@kingslayer2999]

Such a Stupid unnecessary spot a Canadian Destroyer off a ladder through 4 tables to the floor. Only a Money Mark Booker would Greenlit such crap like he is playing with action figures not human bodies.

[@lemuelnwagwu4556]

That add plug 😂

[@superiorjrn1604]

17:28 the best part of this is I know this wasn’t an office reference in any way lmao

[@RBIBaseball76]

Ha, Brian, I remember Summer Camp Nightmare! It was on HBO a lot for a while.

[@dejuans1328]

Outstanding artwork.

[@willcee29]

Jim watch Brock’s interview with Daniel cornier hope I spelled his name right .. but he Brock said the main difference in mma and wwe is you have to keep your opponent safe . And that what he does in the ring is he makes it believable that he is hurting them .

[@hagipilo5017]

I still refuse to believe they asked Punk to do a squash while not cleared that's insane

[@moriordan85]

Didn't this kid already break his leg in a car crash? Or was that his brother ? Or didn't his brother get injured In ring too ? These boys are injury prone or they just don't know how to work properly

[@RRD518]

When I saw that spot about to go down, I just shook my head because I knew something bad was going to happen. It reminded me of the Sid Vicious ankle break. The stupidest spot you could ever do for absolutely nothing and no one.

[@JoE_sTiLo]

Nobody: Jim Cornette: Hate to say I told you so.

[@locusmortis]

Not only could Dante feel better with a Helix Sleep Mattress but also a handful of Scary Sunday Gummies and a consultation from Stephen P New!

[@GoodNyew]

I love that the guy was too cool to watch the spot even though they are talking about it on the show 🤣

[@finklesteinkid537]

I won Cornette Bingo with "tinkertoy"!!!