Jim Ross recalls Lex Luger's relationship with Ms Elizabeth

[@steveknick1978]

He had her living in a house in the same subdivision as the house he shared with his wife. Interesting to say the least.

[@BigBadJerryRogers]

That's the decision making of someone with a drug problem and too much money.

[@Stonewall29]

Ric Flair style

[@CraigSmithII]

That's one of those Old School Pimp moves & he told on himself by having the deeds of the sidechick house left out on the dinner table & his then wife questioned him about it

[@stephanielopez6275]

Guy was too arrogant for his own good.

[@alexogilvie6595]

Yea but she knew he was married aswell and left savage for another man before that

[@LoDDEMOCIDE]

It's 100% fair that fans blame Lex. The minute he chased the ex of a co-worker he was a POS. Nothing else matters. Lex is a lowlife. Same goes to Jeff Jarrett. You NEVER chase the wife of a man you know. EVER. No excuses.

[@kaysingh9174]

Not defending Lex but she was having an affair with a married man with children. Frankly there were major character flaws on both sides.

[@ryankeefe6222]

Exactly I mean non of us I’m sure are qualified to play moral police that said Liz was an adult she made her own decisions not a good look on either side

[@randomtees]

You can't compare the two. She's not the one who made an oath to remain faithful, Lex was. It wasn't just an affair, Lex was living 2 different lifes with 2 different families. To this day, his kids do not talk to him. His son was a good basketball player who ended up at Mercer. Lex was actually at his son's game the day that Liz died. He left the game to go to his second home to get high with Liz and she ended up ODing.

[@alanwoodwind5265]

@@randomtees she made an oath to the Macho Man and fooled around on him. By all accounts, he may have been crazy, but he was faithful.

[@robthevallee4785]

Big fan of how JR constantly talks to the listener as if he was still commentating, even bigger fan when he decides to speak for the listeners

[@Jukeboxster]

Elizabeth was an adult that made bad decisions. She wasn't this angel that she portrayed as her wrestling persona. Pretty, demure women get the benefit of the doubt of being good, responsible individuals.

[@maxwelljacobfreedom]

Wanted to say I agree before some loser replies with his diary entries from 1987

[@mightilyoats2729]

Agreed completely.

[@misters4022]

heres the kicker though: she made bad decisions once she wasnt underneath the guidance of someone steady like macho. She never got to make any of her own decisions, and this ended up being the darkside of that.

[@Jukeboxster]

@@misters4022 I guess possible but I don't know if I believe it. I think what's for certain is that she's prone to make bad decisions, Macho Man being one of those bad decisions. I would not call Randy Savage steady, probably the most insecure man in all of wrestling based on the stories we've heard. Locked her in the locker room so she wouldn't talk to anyone else? That's next level possessive.

[@robzilla730]

@@misters4022 yup. She was too under Savages thumb. It's like having parents who are too controlling. You eventually rebel and make bad decisions just to piss the controller off.

[@harshtruth5003]

I agree with Jr Elizabeth was an adult 42 years old it was tragic what happened to her but she made her decision.

[@Dakatari]

Conrad fans feelings are based on Lex waiting additional time before he called EMS to get Elizabeth the help needed before she died. Rest In Peace Elizabeth Hulette

[@corey2232]

He called within minutes of realizing what happened & she made it to the hospital in under 15 mins from the time of the call... That's incredibly fast response time in reality, problem was she was already too far gone.

[@rjperfetto584]

@@corey2232 That's conflicting reports of what you mentioned and a super delay in him stalling and not calling and being able to help once he called for EMS

[@corey2232]

@@rjperfetto584 Who else could report on how fast he called once realizing something was wrong? It was only him & Liz. She was not dead when paramedics got there. So the only valid reports are from the EMTs & Lex. Anything else suggesting otherwise is purely speculation or people creating their own fiction.

[@rjperfetto584]

@@corey2232 I read years ago that he was either stalling or for freaky froze and that might cost her, her life

[@corey2232]

@@rjperfetto584 Yeah, and that's just someone fabricating what they want to believe, because how could they possibly know that? Nobody was there in that house but Lex & Liz. How would some random person online know what went on in Lex's head? Nobody was around to record the time it took Lex to call 911 after realizing she was unresponsive. And why would he call 911 when she was still alive? If he had some devious motive, why not just wait until she went breathing before calling? The EMTs arrived & she was still alive, so that makes no sense

[@DarthDesolous]

JR is correct. She is held accountable to her own actions. She was an addict that never found her rock-bottom while she was alive. Her rock-bottom was death. It wasn’t Lex fault. I can see that because I am an addict in recovery with over five years being clean. I was introduced to it by a doctor and I made a conscious decision to continue using it because I like the effects of it and I knew the consequences of it also but I could not stop until I had help and hit my rock-bottom thank God it wasn’t death. None of us will truly know what happened between her and Lex because we weren’t there we can only speculate.

[@BigT42l994]

Congrats on being clean. Keep up the good work!

[@DarthDesolous]

@WP&P That’s how to live life.

[@wadewilson1312]

She was timid and Niave and got into the relationship with the promises of a wedding and children. What she got was beat and drugged

[@corey2232]

@@wadewilson1312 That's complete BS & imagination. Her autopsy found ZERO evidence of physical abuse. She got into the relationship by chance working together in a program with Lex on TV (SHE WAS MARRIED AT THE TIME & HAD AN AFFAIR TOO BTW), & eventually through partying together with the group after shows, they grew together. She was already into drugs & alcohol from the partying after shows, & that dependency grew as they both left their spouses & moved in together.

[@BeeBumper]

Yeah he could have given her cpr, it may have saved her life but all Lex did was play the woe is me card

[@BigBadJerryRogers]

The WWE Confidential episode on Elizabeth's death was completely trashy

[@chadk890]

So was the Warrior DVD but it was years ago. Luger has a good relationship with WWE now

[@CrooklynKnight]

I disagree man. It was interesting to actually see and hear Vince’s response to what happened to her. She was one of his best stars/creations.

[@BigBadJerryRogers]

@@CrooklynKnight If you like hearing bullshit. He said something about the WWF being like a family and Elizabeth didn't have that in WCW. They have since added their drug rehab outreach but back then when they were done with you they either proactively threw you under the bus or acted like you no longer existed.

[@calvinperson9732]

Crazy part is i remember magazine as kid doing dream matches . Match was Luger vs Macho . Storyline Miss Elizabeth past relationship with Lex .

[@jahthepackage]

I remember as a kid reading PWI dream matches in the mid to late 80’s and I remember Savage vs Luger and Flair vs Hogan 😅 On a sadder note, that is crazy with the Elizabeth Lex relationship.

[@jond2458]

R.I.P Miss Elizabeth⚘ she was an elegant and beautiful woman, the first crush I can recall having as a youngster as many other boys my age back in that period.

[@Forgemno]

We all had a crush lol.

[@cameronwatt8910]

Two things can be true at once. 1) Elizabeth was responsible for her own actions, thus is responsible for her tragic overdose. 2) Luger was an addict who was arrested for beating her less than two weeks before her death. I think a lot of fans can separate the two. Is Luger a murderer? No. Is he an abuser/manipulator? Lex is a woman-beater who completely betrayed his family - no wonder his kids want nothing to do with him.

[@R2B2YT]

he currently is?

[@christopherolivarez644]

Who said his kids want nothing to do with him?

[@worldsokayestflightattendant]

Exactly. They wanna talk about the drugs and alchol and dont even mention the physical abuse. Thats what always gets me. I guess because They know that Lex is guilty of it and they wanna go around fighting his fight...not just these two but anyone that does a podcast on this subject.

[@kevinpeoples376]

@@christopherolivarez644 This. Do you know something nobody else does or are you just making $hit up?

[@fantastopotomus]

pfft

[@THEJUSTINBAILEY]

I travel for work and idk what i would do these hours on the road without these podcasts

[@cliftonbrown4051]

Um find a station on the radio Gezzz

[@mmurph617]

She was a grown woman. I hate when other people are blamed for one's downfall.

[@jimbowlan5804]

I agree but a junkie with a junkie doesn’t help mater but I agree he didn’t force her to get on drugs

[@ryankeefe6222]

I completely agree were they probably a bad influence on each other? Possibly but she could’ve not gotten involved with him to begin with Lex didn’t act like a caveman looked at Liz and said “mine” and she went along

[@randomtees]

She was a grown woman, true. But there was a grossly unequal power dynamic. It was a physically abusive relationship and I can assure you that Liz had no chance physically against Lex. They were both sick, but Lex was the one who was married. He took an oath to his wife, not Liz, and Lex was living a complete lie spending his days/nights at a townhome he owned without his wife's knowledge down the road from his real family. Lex was the one who had a consistent drug/attitude problems. Lex was the one who was arrested for driving under the influence, to the point where he was completely incoherent. Lex was the one who has a history of physical violence dating back to his college years where he was considered a loose cannon and a horrible teammate. Lex also had MAJOR financial power over Liz. Hell, she was working at the front desk at Lex's gym. She likely had no money and relied on him for everything. If he left, she was done.

[@stevew6910]

People did the same thing to Bobby Brown and he was clean at the time of Whitney's death

[@OliveMule]

Steve w..... glad you were with bobby brown to tell us , that indeed he was not smoking crack. I'm glad you monitored his intake of drugs during that period. Thank you for your service

[@MarkJackson-wc2xh]

Whitney and Bobby were not a couple when she died.

[@dwoodstwin]

@Weed And Wrestling shut up. You have no idea what you're talking about

[@Jukeboxster]

@Weed And Wrestling Whitney was doing drugs before she even met Bobby. She introduced him to drugs, not the other way around.

[@BigBadJerryRogers]

@Weed And Wrestling Anyone who would do that is a complete fool

[@Clapstick77]

So let’s not forget that Lex was arrested for battery on Elizabeth prior to this night. Not saying that caused her death but you guys have NO idea what her mindset was and maybe she became suicidal because of it. We will never know for sure. I’m shocked this isn’t mentioned in this video. Having said that, Lex also was much more than “never was”. He was WCW champ, wrestled flair in multiple ppv main events, beat Hogan for the title and main evented both summerslam and Wrestlemania. Just because he lost doesn’t mean he wasn’t there. He’s definitely a HOFer by those standards. Heck of a story to tell honestly.

[@MrBlockice22]

I mean damn the story was so messed up. Even after the police searched his home, they found all kind of drugs in the house. It was a lost, lost situation. RIP Ms. Elizabeth, you was so gorgeous.

[@lucag.lisickza425]

bam bam was a hero,saved 2 kids from a burning house receiving 2nd to 3rd degrees burn on his body.sure he did lots of shitty things in his life,but you are a GOAT in my opinion and everything is cancelled when you save 2 lives like that.

[@GeneKing-lz8xg]

Nobody comes out sleepy clean in all this mess. Atrajic situation.

[@michaelfrederick6330]

I have actually been a Lex fan since 1986 in Florida. He absolutely should be in the HOF.

[@iAintSayDat]

2 things can be true at the same time. Elizabeth was on drugs but Lex shouldn’t have put his hands on her.

[@4wheelerDJ]

@ShadowAngel Savage kept her like a prisoner or slave.

[@Learningisfree808]

@ShadowAngel who cares if she cheated? That gives someone the right to hit you? Wtf

[@latonyapierce3236]

Shut the hell up she should've not messed with Peggy's husband period!!!!!

[@byenye6386]

@ShadowAngel no you still do not hit a women just leacmve her but Lex cheated on his wife by having an affair with Elizabeth

[@Learningisfree808]

@ShadowAngel you must be a child. 😂 hitting someone because you got cheated on is such a beta move. Just move on with your life. Takes a real man to beat a woman because his ego is bruised.

[@Kayfabe-226]

Even if Liz had substance abuse problems did Lex help her to get better?...No because he was drug abuser for long time...Fact is she didn't die when she was married to Savage,she died living in lex lugar's world of drug abuser...A man makes a woman better or worse depending on his own behavior...

[@kennethdurbin3385]

Exactly. I blame Lex 100%. He's in a wheelchair now where he belongs. Karma came flying from the top rope! Oooohhh yeah!! Dig it!!!

[@chadk890]

@@kennethdurbin3385 WTF?

[@scotterwin9445]

So do we also blame Bobby for Whitney? Do we blame Robert Wagner for Natalie Wood? Sharing a home with a married man is never going to end well. She was a grown woman.

[@kennethdurbin3385]

@@scotterwin9445 Robert Wagner did murder Natalie Wood. There was only 3 people on that boat. Robert was a controlling jealous POS and even failed a polygraph.

[@egomaniac247]

@@kennethdurbin3385 you’re a bad person

[@OliveMule]

R.I.P MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE POFFO R.I.P MISS ELIZABETH

[@samoanjoseph1457]

When i heard the 911 call, I was pissed. At the situation and largely at Lex. That was my gut reaction. I felt that he was kinda whiny on the call and expecting someone else to save her, but he was the only one there at the time. I don't hold him responsible for any choices Liz made or trauma she suffered prior to being with him that might have gotten her into booze and drugs, but that seemed like a really lousy time for him to be indecisive. Plus there was a domestic dispute earlier involving them, where Liz suffered far too much damage for it to have been an accident. So that didn't help at all, but in support of the point being made here, she DID stay with him even after that. So yeah, bad choices on both sides. I know Lex has tried to turn his life around and help other guys stay clean, so I give him credit for that. But similar to Benoit, my perception of him is different now. He didn't kill Liz, but it's hard to shake the idea that he might have been able to save her with a little more effort. And that more effort was put into bad behavior. And you know what, I don't feel like the Hall of Fame has been hallowed ground since Sunny, so it's hardly too good for Lex, someone who actually shows remorse and helps the company to this day.

[@scotterwin9445]

Lex has told me he would consider it an honor to be in the HOF. However, he's. happy with his new life even if it doesn't happen. He has a good relationship with WWE so it is possible.

[@BeeBumper]

Doesn't deserve it

[@wadewilson1312]

If Lex gets in the HOF it will only end in violence

[@corey2232]

@@wadewilson1312 He's getting in this next year. Count on it. Stop being so weirdly hateful & spreading lies about the guy too. It's like you never bothered to listen to any news or interviews beyond the initial speculation reports after her immediate death. Like you heard the news & rumors that day, then never looked one second beyond that for the next 15 years.

[@BrianJamesShanley]

In the late 1980s / very early 1990s, Luger’s series of matches where he was chasing Flair’s NWA Title was one of my favorites of all time.

[@mox19380]

GAB where the "athletic commission" took the win away because of blood was great storytelling. the crowd in baltimore went CRAZY when they thought he beat flair only to have it yanked away seconds later

[@DUARTE99]

Lex didn't kill Elizabeth. But he did beat her up a week before. F that guy.

[@FreddieBlaze]

I remember seeing Ms Elizabeth at the first ever 88 SS at the Garden at 12, wanted to faint lol!😜

[@larrystilltheeman39]

He is neglectful in her death but she did it to herself. Miss Elizabeth miss you. At first I blamed him but I don't. He confessed about his part of neglect.

[@larrystilltheeman39]

@n/a STFU! I said I forgive because he was crying about the situation. My opinion was based off his shoot interview I seen somewhere. He was in tears,could hardly get thru the interview. I hope you on drugs and od and someone says what you said about him to you. You disrespectful. You disrespectful because I can't put hands on you. You go away,you done pissed me off

[@uiu510]

Perhaps this is the reason why Macho Man kept her under lock and key!

[@yourdagan]

Yep. The entire narrative is biased against him when he was in fact in the right the whole time.

[@jeremiahsmith-rouse6993]

So is the fact that he beat the Hell out of her, a 90 pound woman, just a few days before her death going to be brought up? How about him refusing to even check and see if she was breathing? Elizabeth didn’t commit suicide, she, like many other wrestlers, made a poor choice and passed away because of it…but Luger was not blameless. When Conrad asked if we should blame Luger for the deaths of Bigelow, etc. it’s a totally different circumstance. Smh.

[@worldsokayestflightattendant]

Of course the fact that he beat the hell out of her is not going to be brought up, because on that Lex is 100 percent guilty. So everyone feels like they gotta fight the fight for lex. I bet ol conrads Father N law wouldnt like it if he beat the hell out of his wife... ( Ric flairs daughter). I lost alot of respect for these two.( I'm sure they give two craps) ..I listen to Conrad and Bruce over on Spotify. Talk about all of the issues boys not just the dope and alcohol... Lex is not 100 percent Blameless

[@Jeffnardo62]

Luger definitely helped to corrupt her although not directly responsible for her death. He has stated he did a lot of things wrong in their relationship.

[@marcusmccormick8399]

Met him a couple of yrs ago. Really nice guy

[@marywise7661]

alot of people say her second husband got her addicted to pills and alcohol not luger.but he also did pills and alcohol and was arrested the night liz died for having great amounts of drugs in his house,so i dont believe he was responsible for her death no but he dis abuse her because he was arrested for domestic abuse against liz shortly before her death

[@michaelrubin9547]

Liz was not into drugs till WCW from what I heard

[@maxwelljacobfreedom]

Fans in general need to take a step back

[@21nitro21]

Lex Luger may have did damage to a lot of people. I can say that man changed my life and still has. Lex Luger was my hero growing up for his dedication to wrestling. I am a Champion and won Championships by having him competitive mentally.

[@ARedMotorcycle]

You don't make any sense. Your grammar is terrible.

[@BeeBumper]

hey man whatever works for you. I think the problem with lex is he didn't wrestle much, he was a power guy and a body. Those guys were plenty in those days. Personally wasn't a fan. Especially after the death of Elizabeth. He did nothing but cry about himself on that 911 call and did not lift a finger to help her

[@mikeharvey2748]

Lex Luger had been arrested for beating the 💩 out of her right before she died

[@georgesanders5006]

Remember the situation. Liz was living in Lex lugers extra house. And he was arrested two weeks before she died cause he hit her and gave her two black eyes and a fat lip. And also lex was taking stuff and under the influence and got into a car wreck which Liz was a passenger and she got hurt and started taking the pain pills which she was taking when she died. when she died she died mixing a glass of wine and pain pills and was eating and started choking and passed out and lex couldn't revive her and she died. So even if she drank a glass of wine here and there she was taking the pain pills due to the accident lex caused and also after the accidental death of liz the police raided his home and found drugs steroids and pills which were in Liz system . so Lex may not have choked her. But lex was not innocent.

[@corey2232]

He was arrested on SPECULATION of abuse because of some bruising, but was proven innocent, just as Elizabeth said he was. She didn't have 2 black eyes...and he wasn't charged. Her autopsy concluded zero signs of physical abuse, just noted old bruising around one eye but not from assault. Luger was on HGH & heavy steroids at the time, she was 140 lbs... he would've destroyed her with a single punch. She told police they had 2 large huskies she was walking, got tangled in their leash, & tripped up on the sidewalk with the dogs. For anyone that owns large dogs, it's VERY conceivable that happened...especially walked by a 140lb woman. With her leg scratches & light bruising from the time, it lines up way more than being hit by a roided out 280 lb giant & barely having anything beyond a bit of bruising.

[@pandaloon6083]

@@corey2232 "Proven innocent." -- Can you point me to where and when that happened? I don't recall a trial. I do recall an autopsy report, but no forum in which the allegation was adjudicated. Luger has stated what you state: that if a giant of man like him were to hit her then it would have been apparent. Maybe. I suppose that would depend on how and how hard he struck her. It's not necessary for him to have "destroyed" her. From what I gather, the police were called because a neighbor heard them quarreling. Neighbors don't typically call the police when a woman trips over a dog leash. Why didn't police prosecute? Perhaps because the victim/complainant is also the chief witness. Without her testimony there is no case. Why would she not testify? Well, it could be because nothing happened. Or it could be because publicity would reveal her to be his mistress, would lead to questions about why he hit her, would lead to investigation about possible drug abuse etc. Easier to blame it on the dog. I don't know what happened. I know his story is plausible. But I also know he has reasons to lie. While she...isn't here to tell her side of the story.

[@scottd5084]

Liz was a very wild woman. Her antics in Fort Lauderdale were legendary

[@pandavelli8176]

Go on…

[@trademarktraining]

Please share...

[@scottd5084]

@@trademarktraining when they came to perform in Miami or ftl, Liz enjoyed the nightlife and had a blast. A very flirty woman full of life and mischief. Beautiful woman in person.

[@pandavelli8176]

@ShadowAngel ok, believe it or not I didn’t know that lol. I could kind of surmise from what little I do know about her that she wasn’t 100% innocent lady

[@pandavelli8176]

@ShadowAngel yes they are, and it seemed everyone was real quick to demonize Lex for her untimely passing without knowing all the facts about it.

[@yeezynapkins2970]

WWF had a history of poor taste after wrestlers died, the 911 call being 1 instance, the post-death interview with Pillman's wife being another. They didn't start being respectful til Chris Benoit and like karma they paid for that one.

[@mikes.4136]

Conrad is totally on point. I too, used to erroneously, believe that Lex was somehow responsible for Elizabeth’s death. The power of perception and inherent misconceptions are powerful, regardless of how they align with the facts. This is an important discussion.

[@pandaloon6083]

If you notice, Elizabeth's appearance changed from early 1999 to her final appearance in May 2000. More toned (among other changes). Word is, this was the time that she was in a relationship with Luger. She began putting in more time, better time, at the gym and kitchen. Would it be fair to credit Luger somewhat for this improvement in her fitness and appearance? His influence playing a positive role? If so, would it be unfair to blame him for being a negative influence vis a vis access to drugs and the reduced stigma in taking them? If we can praise Lex for suggesting she take B12 vitamins that helps her work out more, why can't we criticize Lex for suggesting that she take Vicodin to help her calm her nerves about {whatever it was she was anxious about)? And if her nerves need calming precisely because of some of his actions, then wouldn't the criticism be even easier to justify?

[@mikes.4136]

@@pandaloon6083 - maybe. But ultimately, and unfortunately, Elizabeth is where she is because of Elizabeth. She was an adult.

[@john-m8w]

Did Conrad & Jim forget that Lex Luger was under strong suspicion of striking Elizabeth multiple times in the face? Hello?

[@tomwalker389]

Imagine if McMahon had given the Warrior gimmick to Luger in '94.

[@qjo5158]

Helwig would have sued, possibly drive lex out to the desert and abandon him...

[@belinda8780]

Didnt he beat Elizabeth?

[@kevinstrickland1578]

This might be way out there, but it might have something to do with the fact he keep an entire pharmacy worth of pills in his house.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

She has her own brain. Just cuz it's there doesnt mean it's his fault.

[@kevinstrickland1578]

I meant, that's why people don't like lex not that he had anything to do with her death. Some kid may have looked up to lex but later in life found out he is a pill head and now doesn't like him

[@shaolin1derpalm]

@@kevinstrickland1578 well.. a lot of people that were looked up to were drug addicts. Hell, rappers go to prison for murder and get tshirts like "free (fill in name)". I think I saw Freesay Ricky at a red carpet event.

[@kevinstrickland1578]

Well said, I would have to agree.

[@Hatchbasic]

A large majority of wrestlers of that era also had that

[@jasonlinton9902]

And this right here is why randy was the way he was towards elizabeth he didnt want her around the boys and for good reason he loved her and didnt want to see her get hurt as soon as they split up liz went on a bender its sad she was a beautiful woman the older she got the more attractive she became

[@michaelrood2751]

Sure didn’t seem like Luger was a good influence on her, to say the least.

[@patientmental875]

She made the choice to go with & stay with Luger because she could get away with getting high with him, plain & simple! Its called scraping the bottom of the barrel when you run out of options!

[@wadewilson1312]

I wrote Vince a letter and told him if he puts Lex in the HOF while he is still alive I will personally see to it that it ends bad. So no he will not get in until he is dead

[@edx21x]

He did beat her though. That happened

[@peterpapadoliakos2711]

Not according to autopsy that is why charges were dropped on Lex

[@edx21x]

@@peterpapadoliakos2711 he was arrested for domestic assault two weeks before her death. She had clear signs of being assaulted which is why he was arrested and charged for it. The autopsy would have been two weeks later, and had nothing to do with the assault.

[@killeryhiltons8499]

Exactly

[@wadewilson1312]

Yes he was arrested 2 weeks prior for assult and charges were dropped. Also Lex has rich pawerful family of doctors that were close to the the dr performing the autopsy. All of this can be verified with some research

[@moriordan85]

​@@wadewilson1312 having a relationship with rich powerful doctors does not mean they acted with ill intent, u are simply assuming he was able to sway a doctor to risk their medical license for Lex fuckin Luger. So simple research or not, that only reveals their relationship not the intent behind that relationship.

[@Goldnfoxx]

I feel like when talking about putting Luger in the HoF, Vince putting Warrior in isn't really the right comparison. He put Medusa in, and if walking out on the company is the reason why Luger isn't in yet, then what Medusa did was way worse, and she still went in. That said, and I do believe Luger belongs in, what the hell are the qualifications for being inducted into the WWE HoF, anyway?

[@jimbowlan5804]

I mean for wcw for his first 80s run especially late 88 to 90 wwf run no but they did put warrior in and I love warrior but lex is way better than warrior only thing warrior had over him was charisma

[@Goldnfoxx]

@@jimbowlan5804 I mean, I always liked both guys, to be honest. Savage and Rude both showed that with the right partner, you could get really good stuff out of Warrior. Lex's charisma always seemed non-existent, but it added to the realism of the whole thing for me. You don't need to have great charisma to beat someone up, and Luger always looked like he could mop the floor with you. Both belong in, imo. My issue is that what even IS the Hall of Fame? We're getting to the point that the qualifications for getting in to the thing are 1) you're still on good terms with the company, and 2) you had fans.

[@last2dollars549]

Vince not putting lex in the hof. He loved Elizabeth that’s not happening

[@corey2232]

@@last2dollars549 Guarantee it'll happen within a year. There's a reason he's now appearing in WWE video games & having an official WWE documentary made about him to air on A&E. He's going in, but believe what you want.

[@Neethan3247]

I don't believe for one second that Elizabeth was a saint. I do however believe that some shady things happened between the two.

[@TheHannibalTV]

Interesting

[@CanadaMMA]

Lex has PLENTY to answer for when it comes to Miss Elizabeth. There is personal responsibility on her part, but Lugar was a domestic abuser. who drank and popped pills. To say he didn't play a part in her death is ridiculous.

[@chadk890]

JR was right. She was an adult. Cant blame Luger. Who's fault was it Curt Hennig died of a cocaine intoxication? ? Luger has changed his life for the better

[@jasonfrost6448]

That's a major issue with wrestling. Wrestling promotors want you to believe the character is the person in order to sell tickets. Then when real life hits thats when everyone wants to go "hey wait everyone, this is just a character". This isn't a "the fans are judgmental" situation, wrestling companies doing "worked/shoots" created this mindset in the fans.

[@musicempire007]

I was always a big Elizabeth fan and I couldn’t believe when she passed away in 2003! But after many years I openly admit that she was living in a dark world! You can’t blame Lex because he couldn’t force her to be in a relationship and doing the things they did! It is easy to blame Lex! I am happy that he found GOD and changed totally! Liz went from a 2 times married woman to a married man’s second choice! From a woman that traveled so much in her wrestling days to a woman who was so confined in a house near the end of her life! Life with Lex at that point was a total mess, from drug abuse to problems with the law to physical fight (2 weeks before she died)! A very sad ending of her later life! I wish she could have realized on time that big changes were needed to recover her life! RIP Liz!

[@philliplandry4139]

Makes you wonder about living through all that just at 42!

[@marywise7661]

luger is no angel here.while he was married he began an affair with elizabeth who was also married to her second husband.his wife found out about his affair with liz and gave him a second chance.only for him to continue his relationship with liz.he should of put liz aside.he had kids as well.his wife finally divorced him when she found out he was still havin an affair with liz

[@dawnyzaguirre8851]

I never thought that Lex had anything to do with her death. Elizabeth had her own issues and made her own decisions in her life. It was a horrible,sad situation.

[@darkviolet]

Miss Elisabeth will always be special to me ❤️ drugs or not

[@cliftonbrown4051]

"The goal in life for everybody is to be Happy." Conrad

[@sekcluv]

Ok, let's get real here.... Lex tells us different versions of what actually happened the night of her death. True, she is a grown woman at the time, but him being her man, he was influential in her choices, especially when there were massive amount of drugs found at his/her house when they investigated after her death. Let's not forget the incidents prior to her death....the domestic violence case he got because of the brave neighbor that called the cops, plus when he got pulled over when miss Elizabeth was in the car, he was drunk and they found a gun. Point blank, she should hav been taken care of.

[@schnarfschnarf5886]

I feel like randy did that.. He cared about her, you can't deny that but maybe he did what he had to do to keep her outta the gutter.

[@sekcluv]

@@schnarfschnarf5886 agree...look at all the women that have been passed around because there was no strong hold

[@last2dollars549]

His version of what happened changed so much I don’t know how they’re not reopening this case

[@corey2232]

If Lex OD'd that day, would you blame Elizabeth? Oh no, because he's a guy. Women have no responsibility to help their partner do they? Riiiiight

[@rickiebradshaw3695]

Kind of reminds me of the whole Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown situation. A lot of people want to blame Bobby for Whitney's drug habits. But to be honest, they say that Whitney was a huge drug user but Clive Davis kept it on the hush to try to keep Whitney's good girl image the world to see. But when she ended up meeting Bobby, both of their bad habits were amplified. But yeah I'm sorry about Miss Elizabeth passing. That was a shocker. I remember that when that happened. Lex has been vilified.

[@kyledamron]

Her TV character was iconic and I think even smart fans wanted her to be that person. It's a lot of pressure

[@joshiles]

Haven't heard Conny really throw his opinions in there like this, but I do have to agree with him. Lex did some shady things in regards to Elizabeth and his wife, but she knew he was married and kept the relationship going.

[@wadewilson1312]

she was timid and not very bright. Just look up Sherri talking about her

[@corey2232]

She was married too...

[@CrooklynKnight]

I’m sorry but I can’t see Lex in the hall of fame. Even though Warrior is in there, asshole or not he made way more money for Vince than the Lex Express did.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

I dont blame lex tbh

[@dannystaton5386]

I could listen to JR all night

[@neogeo7861]

Good points here. Too many women in life playing the victim card for their own poor behaviors and getting a free pass, especially in this day and age. The big ugly pink elephant in the room is that Elizabeth's monumental contribution to wrestling history was mostly her looks. Truth. Kind of funny they refer to Luger as the best that never WAS. I mean he won the World Heavyweight Title twice, I'd say he WAS. Even if they were short runs. Not to mention he was in every major faction including the nWo and the Horsemen. Luger racking Hollywood Hogan on Nitro was one of the most awesome moments in wrestling history.

[@Learningisfree808]

He was abusive to her nobody is playing victim she was a victim to domestic abuse

[@LE-mx6yv]

"Your a wrestling company not a news company" was the perfect response. What a petty scummy thing to do to get back at somebody

[@chriswillis1585]

I blame Bischoff, Hogan and the nwo.

[@socallawrence]

4 liiife

[@StuUngar]

Lex doesn’t get the credit he deserves for how over he was in 97. Lex was second most popular in WCW to Sting and was neck and neck with Steve Austin (although Austin would later surpass Luger by a mile.)

[@last2dollars549]

Lol you’re delusional my friend

[@MrJawstherevenge87]

I don't think she fit the heel turn grunge era of wcw. She was always best as the beauty queen of the 80s and I think if she were alive today she would've transitioned into a business woman type character leading the women's wrestling and promoting their talents. She would've been terrific in a role like that!

[@mattysquizzato7094]

I was a huge fan of Lex as a wrestler. I'm an even bigger fan of him now! God Bless You Lex, for overcoming your hardship! 👍

[@alexfonseca2063]

Conrad’s overeating and obesity is as deadly as Elizabeth’s drug addiction.

[@ByrneMJames]

Conrad to me that seems like is some carny fairground nonsense. I think it'd be better to have higher personal standards than that. We don't know a lot about the southern states in Ireland. But reputationally southern men have integrity and character. I have trouble seeing that here. This is a discussion of a man whose narcissist gimmick was supposedly a rib on his personality. That met a woman known for being in codependent relationships with some famously unstable men. The end result of which was the violent abuse of the woman followed by her death.The proof is in the pudding. It seems like moral relativism Is being used here to excuse the man and by extension everyone who had the ability to intervene and didn't. If it's arguable that women in abusive relationships like Ms Elizabeth have a responsibility to themselves when it's a highly emotional issues and everyone's sympathy goes out to them. Then arguing that the people around them have a responsibility towards them too should be an easy reach. They were all in a position to take on that responsibility, they had an ethical duty to take on that responsibility and they all absolved themselves of that responsibility. Pillorying the woman posthumously in the name of those people that abandoned her. Doesn't seem like the thing to do.

[@jeffzehnpfennig1554]

Yes but we can still get Lex on a podcast an make some cashie cashie with him soooooooo he gets the push classic wrestling storyline (in the voice of Vince Russo [care of Corny]).

[@jasonx1580]

Another problem is that these guys know and feel sorry for Lex, so they are trying to rehabilitate his image.

[@IvyKailyn1989]

I have always thought there's more too the story then what was told I have seen/heard many interviews and alot about the story changes to where it leaves me very puzzled its sadly one of these thing because we were not there will never know and will be kept wondering and debating for times to come RIP Miss Elizabeth 💔 I hope she has found piece and I hope her family and wwe will get on the same page and she gets put in the Hall Of Fame I feel they should have put her in with Macho Man

[@jasonvollero9524]

Who provided the drugs? Whose house was it at? Who wouldn’t perform cpr as the 911 dispatcher requested. The answer to all 3 of those is Lex. So yea…she’s not dead if any of the above 3 don’t happen.

[@rjperfetto584]

At the same time, he certainly wasn't a good influence on her with prescription drugs, alcohol and anabolic steroids which they both were on, so yes JR is definitely off base. Luger definitely had to be at some fault at her demise and there were reports and incidents that the authorities were called of her being beaten and battery but she dropped the charges.

[@Darksky1001able]

I don't blame Lex for what happened to her. I do believe her decisions caused this end, though i will say a huge part of me wishes she had never left Savage. And an even bigger part of me wishes Savage had found that perfect balance between protective and lenient with Elizabeth. A part of me tells me Randys worst fears came true. And he had to stand by and watch it happen. Im glad he remarried and found happiness but... theres always going to be a part of me that says "Randy and Elizabeth are together back in Heaven." With him putting her on his shoulder. Idk, but one can hope i suppose.

[@seekthevisceral]

In certain situations, it doesn't matter if your spouse is obsessive or possessive, the line is blurred and gives way to chaos. Abusive relationships never look like how we imagine them, or the way they're portrayed. I just feel sorry for all three.

[@uttermanbo]

People say Randy was a control freak. He was, but I don't think he was ever abusive towards her. I think he remained friends with her till his death, but we need to lay blame on Elizabeth as well. She wasn't some child who was groomed. She was involved with an overprotective spouse in Savage, then tried many things that led to her early death. Luger was abusive, but he didn't kill her. It's just a tragic tale. I never heard if there was any heat between Savage and Luger after her death. Knowing how Savage tried to shield her to the point of being overprotective, I feel he blamed Luger. I just can't imagine him putting her death on her. He viewed her as a wholesome girl next door. I would have liked to hear how Savage felt before his passing in 2011.

[@philliplandry4139]

I'd heard he was tore up about the situation. He wasn't surprised that it happened. They didn't say anything about why Macho man disappeared completely from the wrestling world and spotlight from (2004 to reappear right before his death in 2011). In my opinion, that's what probably contributed to Randy getting out of the wrestling world right after the incidents. He was so heartbroken until he met his highschool sweetheart again.

[@garyhen1707]

Its NOT lugers fault she died. But also he didn't take her out of his situation with his addiction.

[@Kevin-cy4qn]

Don't forget about being a member of the 1st faction of The 4 Horseman, Ole Anderson was gone from the group

[@latonyapierce3236]

Lex will always b a legend n my book!!! 💘 u Lex always😍😍😍I met him many times back n the day an was always sweet and he let me feel his chest😍😍😍yes he felt great I will never 4 get i got to talk 2 him and felt my fave Lex 💙 u 4ever!!!!

[@Foxboogie]

Fair to Lex? I cannot think of Lugger being a murderer. I believe in forgiveness but that's how I see him. And also a man that cheats on his wife and beat women. Liz made poor decisions and plaid for it with her life.

[@mox19380]

agree with JR about the public perception about the situation. for over a decade we were sold that elizabeth was the petite, kind, beautiful and oppressed woman in the corner of strong, arrogant, controlling tough guys. so when she died we immediately think, oh those controlling oppressors must have had something to do with it. but of course we are mixing fiction with reality

[@cobrakainevereverdies6940]

Then MEN you mentioned, weren't physically abused. Those scars on her body - didn't crawl on her, on their own

[@trelard]

Personal responsibility needs to come back as a thing.

[@slayerde440]

Oh bullshit. You're out of your mind if you don't think he played a huge part.

[@pandaloon6083]

Wrestling fans have convinced themselves that if Miss Elizabeth had a relationship with someone who wasn't Lex Luger she would still be alive. He WAS a bad influence. He CAN be blamed. Not necessarily for her death. But he can be blamed for creating the environment that made her bad choices more likely to happen and more likely to be fatal.

[@pandaloon6083]

If you listen to Hogan, if you listen Hart, if you listen to Bischoff up until about a year ago, you will hear pretty much the same theme: Wrestling wasn't Elizabeth's world. She visited it, she knew it, but she wasn't a native. Because of that, there was a sense that Elizabeth needed a kind of shielding that "the boys" didn't. A lifestyle of travel, midnight drinks at the hotel bar on Tuesdays, and pills to get you to and through your next workout at the gym, might be endurable for 20 and 30 year old athletes, but it's not sustainable for a 40 year old woman. Rather than make that lifestyle easier for her to partake in, someone who cares for her would have made it more difficult. Pfohl gets dumped on because he failed in that responsibility, and was, in all likelihood, an abettor to what ultimately killed her.

[@sonofsarek]

Lex’s body changed around mid-1998, which coincided with him dating Miss Elizabeth. I would argue she exposed him to drugs and alcohol.

[@detroitheath288]

That bit he said on demons not giving a shit about faith.. wow

[@pandaloon6083]

Did Elizabeth have any friends who weren't part wrestling?

[@worldsokayestflightattendant]

No Miss Elizabeth wasnt innocent. Im sure she had her demons. I dont blame Lex for the drugs and alcohol But it really isnt cool to beat a woman either...so alot of US fans know how to seperate the two circumatances ok guys... Like everyone talks about the drugs and alcohol go ahead and touch the subject that he beat her up??? Yea??? What a coward of a man to hit a woman.. Thats what I think alot of us feel isnt cool.

[@gamblingguru2235]

If it was lexs fault he’d be in jail lol

[@aliamjon2550]

Just because this guy has a you tube show doesn't mean he gets to be sanctimonious

[@RealDaveTalk]

I hear rumor if it was true that the WWE wanted to bring back both Lex and Miss Elizabeth around 2002 or 2003 before her death

[@philliplandry4139]

You might right. That's why they were in the clip during WWE Confidential whenever they weren't in the company anymore. Yeah I understand they were ex WWF employees but I find it odd why WWE were showing them. That sums it up.

[@RealDaveTalk]

@@philliplandry4139 it was at the time most of the WCW wrestlers were still on there AOL contract they choose to sit out. WWE wanted to bring Luger and Miss Elizabeth back.

[@pandaloon6083]

Circa 2002 Lex appeared for a European promotion: WWA (maybe). Elizabeth didn't appear. Rumor was that she made the trip; I don't think her appearance was promoted. I can't see how Elizabeth would have fit into the WWE's product at that time. By most accounts, Vince liked and respected Elizabeth. He might have asked her to take more chances, more risks, than he did in the 80s, but he wasn't going to have her mud wrestle and strip. Bad for her and also bad for the IP of Miss Elizabeth. Special guest appearance. A run-in. Maybe. But more than that, I have my doubts.

[@llee8825]

I dislike Luger because he turned our Miss Elizabeth into the other woman and physically abused her. The police report clearly stated Liz said "he hit her but she did not want him to be arrested." Luger had a wife of 21 years and two beautiful children. He was on his third chance given by his wife who demanded he end the relationship with Liz. Luger was selfish. If he truly cared about Liz as a friend, he would never have crossed the friendship boundary and turned her into the other woman. Liz suffered from low self-esteem and bulimia which made her vulnerable. Luger's children do not want anything to do with him.

[@leonardroberts111]

According to Kimberly page years ago, she went into a depression and doing drugs. Didnt want to go out with the ladies anymore ect…

[@conniecarroll7222]

Yes he should be in the Hall of Fame and they should cut out that damn Legacy bit, it's insulting as it's a rushed bit a few wrestlers so we don't get to hear their story. The year they did it I had no idea that Luna was inducted and I felt that was a insult to her memory. Lex is working on hopefully a chance for walking again, he can walk a bit with a cane. Maybe Vince may wait for that.

[@garyhen1707]

Lol luger is at fault for everyone's drug death lol, what the hell. She like Jr said it best, she, is the blame for her own actions

[@LoDDEMOCIDE]

J.R. is also wrong. Lex isn't sniffing the WWE HOF while he is alive, and personally I think he should never be. No way they are letting someone who everyone knows went into physical atrophy over drugs and awful habits get pushed onto the stage in a wheelchair to tell lies. Only way he ever gets in is after he is dead, and that would still be wrong. Luger did not make any impact on the business and was hated both behind and in front of the camera for being a bad guy.