THE HARSH TRUTH ABOUT JEREMY SWAYMAN AND THE BOSTON BRUINS

[@jimmyhockey]

What will Jeremy Swaymans next Contract with the Boston Bruins look like?

[@janbogumil]

8.6x8

[@TheFoolintherainn]

It'll look like Tory Krug's contract after his negotiation using Lewis Gross as his agent..

[@TheBruinspride]

I was fine with Rask getting 7.5, so I'm fine with Swayman making 9.

[@kylea3644]

$17M over 2 years. Bridge deal that covers RFA years and compensates him as a top 5 goalie.

[@mike8099m]

6x7.5 or he will get traded I can’t tell

[@classic.cameras]

WHAT NOT TO EVER DO IF YOU ARE A GM OF A HOCKEY TEAM. 1. Trade a Vezina Caliber Goalie to a rival in your division. 2. Don't trade that goalie before you have signed and secured the goalie you plan to keep. 3. Sign your goalie before you trade your other goalie. 4. Do not play hard ball with your no.1 goalie after you have traded your other no.1 goalie. Did I miss anything?

[@jimmyhockey]

Nope this pretty much sums it up

[@rob420bie]

Yes, they are effing clueless.

[@retflo2583]

Don't take said goalie to arbitration an tell him he is garbage the year prior

[@dnasty312]

Who traded Bob from Philly to Columbus?

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

Exactly! Trading Ullmark that soon basically gives all your negotiation chips in the other party's hands.

[@powwowken2760]

Boston management totally brought this on themselves and it's impossible to feel bad for them.

[@jimmyhockey]

It’s unfortunately true, they mishandled the process leading up to this and now they have no negotiation tactics left

[@char7607]

you can’t sit here and only blame sweeney and friends. you have to realize swayman and his agent also hold fault here

[@powwowken2760]

@@char7607 No they don't, Sweeney trading Ullmark showed that he values Swayman more than a literal Vezina winning goalie. So Swayman and his agent are 100% justified in wanting to be paid accordingly, that's why I say it's all on management.

[@char7607]

@@powwowken2760 and this reply shows me that you actually know nothing about hockey! it is a business and here’s the thing, yes ullmark won a vezina, however, his contract was expiring in a year AND he’s 30. those two factors combined with the fact that swayman and ullmark are about on the same par as each other, at least statistically, means you cannot keep both. you keep the younger one cause its more ethical. additionally, trading ullmark got the bruins a first round draft pick for a forward which is a desperate need on the roster. and for what it’s worth, 1) no one anticipated this contract taking so long, the bruins offered sway a six million x 4 year deal and that wasn’t enough for him, 2) the fact that you haven’t seen the fact that sweeney makes questionable moves in the present but turns into a genius move down the line is laughable. everyone was so pissed that they got ullmark then look what happened. so yeah it fucking sucks but sweeney knows what he’s doing swayman is just throwing a pity party for himself and putting money over the team. i’d say it’s justified if he was asking for a reasonable amount. but you have to keep in mind the fact that swayman has not proved he can be a starter yet. you can’t pay a guy 10million a year for 8 years when A) they don’t have the cap and B) he has not proved he can play 3/4 of a season. especially when his flaws and inconsistencies are GLARING. rebound control? absolute garbage. he over does it on saves that don’t need to be that big but then doesn’t even try for easy save goals. that’s not a $10 mil a year guy. sorry

[@Chiaomori]

people feel bad for the bruins?

[@riddaren_]

There's no way a guy who has never been a proper starting goalie in the NHL think's he's worth 10 mil a year. The Bruins should just trade him at this point.

[@SportspIus]

What I think is that Swayman dislikes how they signed Zadorov and Lindholm to good deals but they wont sign their best player to a huge one. Yes there is no cap space but I think that this will go through.

[@jimmyhockey]

It’s a fair point, seeing other guys get deals while you are being undervalued must not be an awesome feeling

[@SportspIus]

@@jimmyhockey Yes, and he has also has proven he can steal games in the regular season, although not in the playoffs.

[@samnendze5640]

He’s not the best player on the Bruins. Pasta is. He’s not worth Pasta money

[@mashmarttv]

Indeed

[@onikwa]

Those guys are skaters, acquired from a real free agent market where we had to outbid other teams. Swayman's situation is not even comparable and if he thinks it is, he's in for a big shock when he sits the first few months of the season and finds himself on some dog shit team like Anaheim, SJ, buffalo etc.

[@jeremyschep3589]

Ottawa fans have got to be laughing their arses off

[@brandoman79]

As a Sens fan I am not laughing; but I won't lie, there is a part of me hoping Swayman and the Bruins can't reach an agreement and somehow Swayman also gets traded/signed to the Sens and Ullmark and Swayman are reunited

[@ballsincement]

@@brandoman79swayman will def not go to the sens , they just got ullmark and im sure although they love eachother they dont want to tandem at this point in their career. Whats more likely is swayman doesn’t get signed and boston falls in rankings and the sens make the playoffs

[@kaz6854]

@@ballsincementu dont know boston if u think they gonna fall in standing bc of a goaltender lmao

[@kaboom9081]

Sens still need strong defense, Ullmark wont hold the fort, so dont laugh yet.

[@Asymmetrical-Saggin]

@@brandoman79 Huffing farts bro?

[@Biggskye]

The Bruins blew their "hometown discount" deals when they overpaid for McAvoy. Signing him for 9.5M right after Makar signed for 9M was a huge mistake. Also, trading Ullmark before signing Swayman was about as dumb as it gets, especially with Sweeney's history of drafting 1st round busts.

[@gonard121]

It is important to note that Swayman took the Bruins to arbitration, not the other way around.

[@shawnshana4343]

Because the Bruins offered him chump change and he called them on their BS offer. Facts

[@dacrib999]

First of all, thanks for Ullmark secondly why would you trade away any Vezina winning goaltender without having his replacement signed? To me this just doesn’t make sense.

[@jimmyhockey]

Definitely poor decision by management

[@charred5516]

I honestly think the system in Boston helps their goalies more than anything else. I don't buy Swayman outside of there. The ask is too much. Go have a seat.

[@Systematic_GT]

I mean he only has 132 GP . What if he falls off ? 10 million per is too much

[@jimmyhockey]

I can’t imagine he would just “fall off” but it’s true he has never been the number 1 guy on his team until last years playoffs

[@Systematic_GT]

​@jimmyhockey I honestly don't see him falling off either man, but ya never know I guess . ie Jack Campbell .

[@nathanielcava4128]

Honestly it’s probably harder to play as well as he has consistently without being a true starter. I say that because it can be tough when you’re not playing every night to get into a good grove. He was albe to go on and off while maintaining good consistency in his play. He seems like a guy who could get dialed and go on some good runs in net. Unfortunately Sweeney is hard headed and it’ll always knee cap players because the bruins have a big history of important players taking pay cuts so they’ll always fall back to that narrative.

[@Systematic_GT]

@jimmyhockey I'm a diehard Leaf fan , so I don't care what happens in Boston lol (for obvious reasons). As a hockey fan and on a pure human level I don't want to see him or anyone lose their game though, so I hope he continues to shine. You got my sub dude , great content 👌

[@davidkruse4030]

10mill is too much

[@puckstopper25]

Thing is, Swayman has never been a full time starter; no one, including Swayman, knows if he can hold up through a higher workload. Given that he's usually inconsistent when given several games in a row, there's very little to show he's worth a star level contract. The Swayman/Ullmark tandem was one of the best stories we've had in an NHL crease in a while, it's just a shame it has to fall apart like this.

[@bryanbest5113]

Boston is a 100yr franchise, and ongoing. Swayman has max 8-10 years left in his career. Finite timeline to make generational money. The organization would trade him to Columbus for a bag of pucks, uprooting his entire life if they thought it would help the club. Why exactly should a millionaire player take less from a billionaire club/owner?

[@jimmyhockey]

He’s only 25 so maybe a bit longer career than that, the Bruins would’ve been fine trading him this year had they kept Ullmark but now they have a Contending roster and need to resign him because Korpisalo is not a starter?

[@rob420bie]

Sweeney and Neely, I loved as players. They are POS in the front office. He CANNOT take less than 8 per year.

[@SaviorCross]

@@jimmyhockey Korpisalo had good numbers in LA, bad numbers in Ottowa as they had no defence in any form or fashion...

[@tthreepo4291]

Because he's not worth it....

[@frankiess1027]

@@tthreepo4291 Not worth what?

[@murrethmedia]

They basically traded away all of their leverage over Swayman before they had him signed... Genius move. 🙄

[@dawsonholdsworth5371]

This Ullmark trade is just becoming the gift that keeps giving for Ottawa. Vezna winning goalie Dumping Korpiaslo and now Boston might be playing with backups at best in the Atlantic.

[@davidkruse4030]

8.5 a year is a fair deal

[@cowetascore8476]

Exactly. Thats what sorokin got.

[@mikelow4374]

Not for a guy who has NEVER been an undisputed #1 ... Its crazy.. Give 5.5m 1 year deal and see can he actually hold up physically, mentally and performance wise starting 60 games... Then have some talks for a 8m+ deal

[@SFUSW]

@@cowetascore8476 8.25

[@pauliek5325]

He is not a Vasilevskiy but Boston has really screwed themselves.

[@char7607]

not really. they focused on their D-corps and even if goal tending does suck, the defense will cover that. but the thing is, goaltending doesn’t suck. the bruins are going to be just fine without him

[@benc.3128]

@@char7607I feel like the downgrade at goalie is significantly larger than the upgrade on defence though, that’s not to say that the guys they picked up aren’t good, they are, but you can’t say their team is better without at least one half of the best goalie tandem in recent memory

[@Theguywholikedthethinginthevid]

They traded Ullmark way, way too quickly.

[@jimmyhockey]

Unfortunately yeah it’s looking like they made a decision on Linus way to soon

[@cowetascore8476]

Especially to a division opponent.

[@Theguywholikedthethinginthevid]

@@cowetascore8476 Oh Christ, thank you for reminding me.

[@JoshAstronomer]

Why would anyone expect the bruins to pay someone "down the line" what if he got injured this season? what if they trade him? he shouldnt be expected to do the bruins a favor so they can potentially move on from him *before* he got paid

[@CoNNorG111]

As a Sens fan, it's kinda hard to feel bad for Boston 😂 They did this to themselves!

[@jimmyhockey]

You shouldn’t feel bad you have a quality starter now who hopefully can help the Sens get to the playoffs

[@doaftheloaf]

@@jimmyhockey and one who isn't asking for several millions more than he's worth.

[@hockeytalk6084]

Yeah, they did this to themselves by leaving 8.6 million available which would make him the fourth highest paid goaltender in history. Definitely not Swayman and Lewis gross being greedy and delusional lol

[@mbfrommb3699]

It’s crazy to hear the NHL players and GMs thinking the cap is going up over the next few years. The world is headed into a deep recession/depression, unemployment is going to go up, and inflation will continue to go up. The NHL and the teams better manage their situation better or we’re going to see some teams possibly get wiped out.

[@hockeytalk6084]

YES! Right on the money!

[@SaviorCross]

They couldn't keep Ulmark because his no-trade list would have changed after July 1. Swayman hasn't showed that he deserves top money...

[@xjamberxx7720]

"no trade" yet .. gone from team regardless -- teams r never loyal ... why expect players to be, get paid & know even if he signs a no trade clause .. at some point .. he'll be traded

[@kaboom9081]

100% no part time goalie is worth 10mil - people smoking too much pot

[@hockeytalk6084]

Bingo. Wasn’t so simple. Fans should be looking at his agent’s history….

[@Bound2Asgard]

​@@hockeytalk6084Nylander fiasco is a great example

[@NobodyImportant74]

Hello Jimmy Hockey. I'm Nobody Important in Hamilton. I like the way you do your videos. You have a calm voice that is very easy to listen to. You get to the point but still cover all the relevant points worth mentioning. Your videos are not too long. You behave normally. Some podcasters act goofy in my opinion. Nobody Important feels that the Bruins should stick to their guns and dictate the cap hit and contract duration for Swayman. Swayman could get more as a UFA than he could get from Boston. Let him either sit out or play 1 year more in Boston before UF agency. The team will do just fine without Swayman. I will work out. It always does. The defense for the Bruins is that good.

[@jimmyhockey]

Glad you enjoyed the video thanks for watching🙏🏻

[@brendenrodgers7821]

I don’t understand why people think this is a bad situation. Goalie depth is deep in Boston. Lots of young guys with potential. Jeremy being an RFA would mean a team offer sheeting him would have to give up assets. 1st rd, 2nd rd, 3rd round picks… the bruins ultimately have the leverage. And for the dummies that say “well why didn’t they sign Swayman before dealing ullmark?!” Simple answer is they had to deal him before his contract moved to his NTC and that wouldn’t have been good for the bruins, they knew they wanted zadorov and lindholm. In order to get those guys they needed to move from ullmark… Also I think people forgot to mention Lewis Gross (for those of you that don’t know who he is, that’s Swayman’s agent, alongside others like Nylander etc). Is NOTORIOUS for making RFA negotiations last longer than they should - see nylander in like 2016…. Negotiations are a two way street. This is equally on Sweeney as it is on Swayman

[@nickelliott1174]

Sweeney screwed this one up.

[@Outpost-13-Hockey]

Rangers fans should be nervous about this. Because Shesterkins contract is up this year and he's worth considerably more. Swayman hasn't played as a number 1, he's not even played 200 games. He's not worth what he wants. Trade him to Columbus for some of their prospects, he's not worth what he thinks he's worth.

[@sukhjitsingh8269]

but Rangers won't br cheap and will pay him close to 10 Mil, Boston aways corners players and makes them feel bad for taking what they are worth.

[@doaftheloaf]

@@sukhjitsingh8269 boston offered swayman what he's worth. demko's making 5m and oettinger 4m, swayman isn't better than them. at least those guys have been starters. wtf is swayman doing demanding 10m?

[@cowetascore8476]

Igor is getting 12. Rangers will be lucky to get him to accept 11.5

[@fishleaf18]

Boston media is delusional. Swayman went to arb last year, they lowballed him and got a huge discount. The only way they’re getting a discount is if they sign him a 2 year deal and walk him to UFA. Swayman is in the right here, if they want to give swayman term they need to pay up As stamkos learned never trust a team that seeks “hometown discount” to ever have any loyalty and rather give your $ to other guys

[@OuiLeH]

Imagine paying Lindhom 7,75M and not willing to pay arguably the most valuable player of your team top money. The GM is trolling

[@jimmyhockey]

Lindholm was a must their center depth was weak last year, still they should’ve figured things out with Swayman a lot sooner

[@OuiLeH]

@@jimmyhockeyyeah, but I mean, swayman is more important to the team than lindhom imo

[@GetOffTheLawn]

Yeah Lindholm has really paid off the way he was vacant for the playoffs. Non factor.

[@kaboom9081]

how the heck is a part time goalie the best player in Boston? get your head off the sand.

[@doaftheloaf]

pasta is making 11m, wtf are you talking about? their goalie who's never been a starter suddenly thinks he's worth vasy money. wtf has he done? the bruins offered him at the high end of what he's actually worth. swayman's ask is utterly ridiculous. don't act like this situation is not his own damn fault.

[@seanr.6596]

I checked out after you said swayman was the best player in the bruins roster. Does pasta not exist anymore?

[@SSNESS]

Marchand’s better too

[@McHughFilmCompany]

Was thinking the same thing lol

[@dieselbaby]

Yeah, hard to take this guy seriously with a comment like that

[@5IveNDlme]

@@SSNESS Id argue McAvoy as well.

[@bosox411]

Pasta overrated. Him and McAvoy lead the NHL in turnovers. Talk about being overpaid

[@bedbath9056]

I wil not even pay him more than $6.5M . 10M is crazy.

[@patrickkeenan8109]

Back when Ulmark was traded to Ottawa, I had heard that the Bruins were looking to trade Swayman instead, maybe they should have.

[@dvon1097]

The Bruins management is a joke. They paid everyone except their goalie. And they traded their other star goalie...

[@johnjenkinson1311]

GET RIDE OF SNEELEY AND A-HOLE SWEENZY THE TEAM IS BETTER W OUT THIS MANAGEMENT

[@craig0077]

Swayman is likely asking $10 mil and Sweeney is offering around $6 mil, so they should split the difference and make it $8 mil for 7 or 8 years. Don't forget they signed an unproven Rask to a 7 X 7 contract 15 years ago, and they never won a Cup with him as their starter...so 8 X 8 is fair for a goalie who I think is the real deal. Get er done Donny, and sign Sway ASAP.

[@Perkele-u5k]

And sway is much much better than prime Rask was. And he hasn't even hit his prime yet. I believe sway will be top 10 goalie of all time.

[@aikhis]

This is the bruins way people... as Bruins fans we know that contract are going to be negotiated to get the best deal possible. We're not Toronto here and overpay everyone. This is how it's always been, even before the salary cap... this is the way. I for one am not worried or concerned in the least. He will be signed, and it will be for less that most people think it will.

[@5IveNDlme]

Do you want them to give him 10? I mean the bruins way has given us playoffs a hell of a lot more than other teams over the last 15 years.

[@happytrails151]

Ultimately he is 100% correct when it comes to projecting where the cap will be. Boston wants to get away with getting 8 years at yesterday's reality He absolutely should be the highest paid goalie in the league. That doesnt mean hes worth the most. Its just about the accelerating cap

[@Suckondeese]

Based on what? Has he won a cup for the bruins? Has he played a full season? No he hasn’t.

[@alexmouton1010]

Not sure where you're going with this or how you got the idea that Swayman getting paid more makes the cap go up. Draisaitl said something similar about paving the way for others but that makes absolutely no sense in a hard cap system. Nothing wrong with guys getting the bank, but if the 2-3 top guys on a team get the extra cap increase, you did nothing for others and the team isn't more competitive. Let's call it how it is. No one thinks he should be the highest paid goalie except you. Swayman never said as much either, it's about comparables, which is fine.

[@Kvothe3]

​ I think you may have misread the OP. It's not that paying Sway an makes the cap go up somehow. Rather, Sway an is saying that because the general consensus is that the cap is going to be getting larger in the next couple seasons, and because his deal will take him well into that new era, he wants to be paid based on how the cap will be, rather than what it is currently. If goalies in that new era should be making 10m he doesn't want GMs to be able to point at him having an 8m deal as a way to restrict them.

[@doaftheloaf]

why should a tandem goalie be the highest paid goalie in the league? that statement is asinine.

[@char7607]

he absolutely should NOT be the highest payed goalie in the league considering he’s only played 132 games and after that florida series? no way he’s getting 10+ million especially when they don’t have it

[@mr.otterpockets3854]

Swayman has no cups and a losing playoff record. 9-10 is not worth 10 million a year.

[@MrMoadka]

Carey price, no cup, 43-45 10million 500 thousand

[@doaftheloaf]

@@MrMoadka carey price, vezina, hart, olympic MVP and gold medal, world cup, finals appearance, 3 conference finals appearances. jeremy swayman, jennings trophy on a team where the other guy won the vezina, never been the starter. price actually had a resume. swayman does not.

[@Rorschachqp]

@@MrMoadka What a disingenuous comparison you made. Is that you, Lewis Gross?

[@5IveNDlme]

@@MrMoadka Poor comparison, but you know this.

[@TheEaze5950]

Tbh wouldn’t be surprised if swayman plays himself on this. I imagine his workload will go up this year and he will play more games which could either be a pro or con for him. Don’t know yet but he is asking for way too much money for someone who hasn’t proven that much yet.

[@kylea3644]

If Swayman can get $8-10M a year long term deal from a team, then Don is waiting for the offer sheet. A minimum 1,2,3rd picks with potential to be multiple 1st rounders. No team will offer that contract and give up compensation for a goalie hence why no offer sheets have been sent to swayman. Look at all the recent goalie contracts, not good results for teams. Swayman should take a bridge deal and wait till UFA status when he has ultimate leverage. For now he’s wasting time when no team will bother signing him to 8M+ long term contract when he’s a RFA tied to significant compensation.

[@jimmyhockey]

This is 100% true. But because their is no other option in net for the Bruins this year and they are a contender they really have no choice but to pay him a bit over value because the alternative isn’t a good idea

[@SaviorCross]

@@jimmyhockey Fam;, I'd go with the new goalies, Swayman hasn't proved his worth being overpaid. 7-8, tops. more than that ,let him sit out.

[@AlistairArbour-qi3xp]

Leafs would do it 😂😂😂😂

[@ballsincement]

@@SaviorCrossboston head office disagrees with this comment, they do think he’s proven himself hence why they traded ullmark

[@Suckondeese]

@@jimmyhockeyplenty of other good goalies in the NHL who aren’t requesting 9m

[@infinity-vm4ul]

Update on this: The 10 million rumor has been essentially debunked. Or at the very least it isn't the main cause of friction. The point of contention is the length of the contract. Swayman reportedly wants an 8 year deal the Bruins aren't willing to commit to 8 years at whatever cap hit Swayman is asking for.

[@hockeytalk6084]

It hasn’t been debunked at all. Frank Seravalli poured *speculative* cold water on it, but didn’t say anything definitive whatsoever. Only one side is talking to the media and it isn’t Boston. I have no doubt in the world that Lewis Gross was willing to throw that number at the wall in the very least as a dirty boxing tactic to get them closer to 9. If 8 x 8 would’ve done it then the deal would be done. The fact of the matter is they have enough money left over to make him the fourth highest paid goalie in the history of the sport

[@RobRogers-c5b]

I think it wasn't the best idea to sign BOTH Lindholm and Zadorov and they should have hooked up Swayman to a big deal before checking out other options, in other words, Boston totally did Swayman dirty with this decision

[@hockeytalk6084]

Yeah, they totally did him dirty by leaving enough cap space to make him the 4th highest paid goaltender in the history of the world….good grief guys…

[@MangoBS]

I would also like to add that the reason for the salary cap increasing shouldn’t be to pay players more. It should allow for teams to gain more depth. Players who make 10 and are asking for 13 because the salary cap will go up is detrimental to the game.

[@5IveNDlme]

tanks teams and dudes wonder why they are out in round 2...nothing around them.

[@marquisduhsade]

I'm so glad my team doesn't have to deal with this and I can sit back and enjoy lmao

[@jimmyhockey]

What team do you root for?

[@original6hockey402]

@@jimmyhockeyProbably the Boston Fleet

[@kevincowan1913]

The B's will be just fine without JS who has a savior complex. You ain't done shit kid . You've won 1 series . That don't mean shit . See ya .

[@BostonShovinstuff]

Well put ! That's the term I was looking for 💪 Bussi has a ton of potential and well , the whole team is shaping up nice

[@char7607]

yup

[@ELWOPPO2010]

Boston is gonna sign him 100% Their not gonna lose two all star goalies for Korpisalo and Bussi lol They will be the laughing stock of the NHL. Ain't gonna happen. They will come to some sort of an agreement

[@ASH-kj1di]

Amen

[@ASH-kj1di]

@@ELWOPPO2010They will be the laughing stock of the league when they pay JS $10 Million/season and he turns out to be a dud. Goalies are the farthest from a sure bet in hockey. I wonder how much the way the Bruins play has to do with them always having above average goaltending.

[@hockeytalk6084]

I think everybody’s blowing this a little out of proportion if you understand the intricacies of the Ullmark situation with the timeframe and the restrictions of the NTC and the fact that he could pretty much veto all the trades they had on the table after July 1. At the end of the day, Sweeney walked away from that whole thing dealing Ullmark while he still had the chance and got Letourneau out of it (people who are still crying about that return weren't paying attention to how LITTLE leverage Boston had in moving Ullmark)…was able to sign Lindholm and Zadorov to long-term contracts and still came away with 8.6 million in cap space… which realistically is more than enough to offer Swayman a fair deal and he just wasn’t expecting Lewis Gross to screw him over. You can point fingers at him for that in hindsight, but realistically, he was trying to do right by the player by electing not to take him to arbitration again. Remember, it was Swayman who filed for arbitration and then got all offended afterwards. They have the 8.6… If we are seriously going to sit here and pretend that’s not enough to end this headache then I don’t see how people are going to blame Sweeney. This is on his agent Lewis Gross, but ultimately Swayman has the final say. Because nobody can pretend Sweeney wouldn’t give them what he has left just to end this if push comes to shove. History says Swayman will have to step in himself. With the agents long and ruthless history of holdouts, there was no guarantee that keeping Ullmark would’ve given them any leverage at all and actually could’ve put them in a considerably worse situation if his contract was still on the books right now. It is what it is. But if you’ve been following the fine details of the situation, I don’t see how the pressure (and blame if you really want to split hairs) isn’t on Swaymans camp. My gut says both sides will cave as the season approaches/begins somewhere around 8 x 8

[@5IveNDlme]

The poster of this video favours Swayman. Swayman has earned about 7.5 per, based on such a small sample size. If he is asking north of 10 or even 9 he is out to lunch.

[@benc.3128]

@@5IveNDlmethe sample is definitely small, but he’s still a valuable piece and a big loss if he walks, regardless of his value he’s got the leverage given that and the fact that ullmark is already gone, whatever the circumstances of that are

[@5IveNDlme]

@@benc.3128 I mean I and others would prefer the massive return because realistically he takes them to a round 2 team at best. Team has many a hole.

[@mimibelle76]

I’ve never felt that the Bruins really valued their goalies. Few stay with them their whole career (Rask being the exception) and I know that’s the business. You’ll never see a goalie number retired with the Bruins. They done Ully dirty. They got cocky by thinking Sway would accept their first offer. They done Ully dirty. More power to the Sens.

[@gmotdot]

One thing to remember about the Ullmark trade happening when it did was that his partial no-trade clause could be updated on July 1…

[@100theDork]

There’s a principle involved for both sides and that is never a good thing and usually ends with the player being salty even if they get paid.

[@jimmyhockey]

Idk about principle I just think Swayman wants to get the best deal possible and the Bruins want him to sign for less, only problem is the bruins side has no leverage after the Ullmark trade

[@brandonmclean58]

goalies are so inconsistent, one year they are the best ever, the next the are mediocre at best, the next they are out of the league. I dont think there is an active goalie in the league I would pay $10 million.

[@happytrails151]

Where is your statistical proof? Last I checked every position has players that yo yo in production. I haven't seen elite goalies stats flip flop either unless there is injury or surrounding cast changes

[@brandonmclean58]

@@happytrails151 Well off the top of my head, I guess Hellebuyck I could consider giving $10 million dollars too, other than that I cant think of any goalie that is consistently elite for years. Its not like back in the day when you had guys that you know would be a difference maker every year like Hasek, Roy, Brodeur. Even Carey Price getting paid $10 million, he was probably only worth that for a few years over that deal.

[@philtess3126]

​​@@brandonmclean58right now, if we exclude price, the 4 highest paid goalies are bobrovski 10M, vasilevski 9.5M, hellebuck 8.5M, sorokin 8.25M and I'm pretty sure all of these teams are getting their money's worth.

[@sukhjitsingh8269]

Everyone thought Florida was crazy for signing BOB to 10 Million but he is why they are cups champs today.

[@IvarDew74]

How about Sergey Bob ? He usualy is lights out in playoffs.

[@Dylan-Rodger]

Longer this take the better for us cats fans and the division itself

[@glxphic]

10m is so much for swayman 7-7.5 seems fair

[@ac8274]

Bruins fan here, trade Sway at this point. If he’s so top tier, the return for him in a trade would be worth it. 10 mil a year is redonkulous. No way Sway, no wayyyyyy

[@SaviorCross]

Krugs and Nylanders contracts have turned out to be nightmares for their respective new teams...

[@stephendimino332]

Did you see korpisalo play? Goodbye swayman!! Hit the road!

[@TheFoolintherainn]

He wasn't quite challenged, interview said it meant nothing being only 30 minutes But I don't care..... I went over this guy's highlights, from all his teams, and I like him! Holds the top of that blue paint strong, keeps his crease clean, however way it has to be done! 😲 some Tim Thomas around the edges reminds me of Tyler bertuzzi. check out some of his highlights... He set a record with Columbus for most saves during playoffs - 82 saves against Tampa They had 188 shot attempts The guy stood on his head and they still lost that game! That's a seriously tough guy both mentally and physically There's other footage of him cursing out his Ottawa defenseman ! we'll see what he has a little sooner than later I hope, maybe a shorter learning curve, Joonas already plays goalie Bob's preferred style And is the goalie with the worst save percentage last season, playing behind this potentially top defensive core, there's only one way for his him to go.. up! When he played on the Kings those 10 - 11 games, what is a decent team in front of him, he had a 0.921 or maybe it was 0.941 save percentage ? One of those numbers - which is still very good! I'm with you on this guy - 30 year old frustrated goalie leaving the prime of his career. He's hungry He can stretch! I don't know much about his injury history or potential See he does against Western teams in their houses That's what Jeremy cannot handle. They had Linus carry that load - and we'll find out pretty quickly, they hit the West Coast on a road trip the beginning of the season I'd like to see him take on Debruske when we play Canucks. he's pretty good in those dirty areas and on posts -and you know he'll be turning it on against the Bruins! He'd be a good test for Joonas. It's great to see another Korpisalo fan coming out of the woodwork. They've been nailing us! Enjoy!

[@jimmyhockey]

Just preseason let’s settle down a bit

[@TheFoolintherainn]

@@jimmyhockey he's not a dud. NHL record for most saves during playoffs We're countering the typical Bruins hatred hyphen did the same thing with Linus ullmark Do whatever you have to do to get your clicks buddy!

[@greathoonta3461]

I don’t understand why everyone is villianizing Swayman like he is in the wrong here to want what he truly deserves. Boston is not a playoff team without him, and rather than them honouring him and prioritizing making sure he gets what he is due they signed players less valuable then him to contracts first taking up the cap space that should have been used on him first. Goalie is the most valuable position in hockey. Elite goalies have been carrying teams for decades, and out of any position goalies give you the most minutes. Either pay him what he wants or let him walk next off season to a team who will because I guarantee almost every team in the league would kill for an elite goalie right now, and realistically with the cap jump over the next few years 10 million for a goalie is a good contract for what Swayman brings. Also, it’s not some hot goalie thing either. He’s well over a .900 save percentage even though he’s played around 40 games a year for 3 years in row. He is most definitely not on a hot streak, he is legitimately one of the best goalies in the league. And in playoffs he’s crazy good too.

[@pjp7259]

He doesn’t even have one full season as a number one goalie give me a break

[@hockeytalk6084]

Fans crying about how their favorite player should make $10 million a year to stop a piece of rubber instead of $8.5 million is the dumbest thing to me 😂. The Bruins have 8.6 million and that would make Jeremy Swayman the 4th highest paid goaltender in the HISTORY of planet earth. This ain’t Monopoly money. So if that isn’t enough for him, then this IS 100% on Swayman and his agent Lewis Gross

[@greathoonta3461]

@@hockeytalk6084 how uninformed of you. For one, inflation means 10 million today isn’t what it was even 10 years ago. Two, we are about to have a 4 million cap jump next year. Three, expensive goalies can and do win. Look at Bobrovsky who just won the cup as the clear cut MVP of his team.

[@greathoonta3461]

@@pjp7259 he’s literally one of the greatest goalies all time in save percentage. He has never had a bad season. There is literally no reason to believe he is going to fall off, and there is plenty of reason to believe he is only going to get better due to not even being of average prime age for goalies. Plus, 43 games is plenty enough evidence he’s Bostons guy of the future when you also consider how insane he was in playoffs last year. It’s not like Boston has options either. Either they get Swayman or the team falls off hard. Is 10 million a potential overpay? Yeah maybe, but they created this situation where he has so much leverage and considering Boston is only a couple years away from losing one of their best players to age the longevity of this contract is likely not of concern.

[@petermarshall6577]

I take it as Lewis Gross trying to upend the Bruins position (Don Sweeney) of setting a value and sticking to it as "not negotiating" and turning off the phone. Trade them to Utah for a pick and a prospect.

[@jimmyhockey]

They would get way more back than that, also Gross is doing the right thing here he has all of the leverage and the Bruins know it

[@petermarshall6577]

@@jimmyhockey I DON'T think he's as good as he believes he is (hes a product of the system) and wants to be paid for, let him play in Utah or San Jose and look at his stats then. he's played 132 NHL games what hardware does he have what has he proven ?

[@TheFoolintherainn]

Oh this has been an ongoing chess game between Jacobs / Sweeney and Lewis gross... This video nailed it, this serious ill will started with the torey Krug negotiations and we lost him, with little difference in where they came close to settling. If Lewis gross wasn't involved, I believe torey Krug would have stayed in Boston. That's where our power play went, to St Louis where he's been overpaid and they will have to eat part of that contract if they ever want to trade him So no, the Bruins aren't going to pay that money because other teams do and they get stuck with Tori Krug situations Remember, pasta loves spinning on the ice with Krug. Nobody wanted Tory to leave. But I remember Bobby Orr's being shocked that he was traded to Chicago! Jeremy may have blackballed himself in the nhl, he's painted himself into a corner - he's replaceable because he's now known as a "troublemaker," what GM wants to deal with that? Players absolutely should be being paid more, but this particular athlete is not the one to advocate for this cause based on his potential. The last time a USA trained goalie won a cup was 1994. Tim Thomas played in europe, Jonathan Quick got his Olympic medal the same year he got his first Stanley cup. Not a coincidence. Jeremy got shafted by being banned from participating in beijing, so he's got..... University of Maine? He barely spent any time in the AHL. I have never believed he is an elite starting goalie on a top team. The real number was never mentioned-the only specific number mentioned was talking about his getting the equivalent of Charlie mcavoy's contract - $9.5 million Jeremy absolutely positively not the best player on the roster 🙄 His schedule was so coddled by goalie coach Bob, you haven't seen the tricks of the trade behind the scenes. Goalie Bob arranged every game according to location, roster..... Because frankly, goalie coaches get financial bonuses when their goalies get awards like the vezina and Jennings! He's been doing it on the Bruins for 22 seasons now! he has made it look like Jeremy has taken on top teams..... But if you open up the rosters, he did not take on their top players like Vegas coming to boston.... Jeremy got that win, yet he's never taken on Stone nor Eichel! The games he split with ullmark were not even loads. Hasn't taken on McKinnon & buddies Linus has been taking on the top Canadian and western teams in their houses. With the exception of oilers, Jeremy doesn't beat those teams.. hasn't even played many of them on their home ice His height went up 2 inches, in one year yet he still can't scorpion post to post 🤷 The flyers, rangers all made it clear by the end of last season, when Jeremy gets tired, shoot for his lower left post or upper right shoulder. He's so predictable! He doesn't have assists on goals, can't help the forward lines by using the boards to transition the puck up through the neutral zone quickly to create breakaways Everyone teases auston Matthews for choking in playoffs - eventually he's going to get it and if the real auston Matthews showed up? We wouldn't even be having this conversation. Once again, he takes on a top team, but without their top goal scorer! He's a legend in his own mind! Like most Alaskans! (This is Bruins Nation reporting in from the 49th) 🎤 Drop

[@TheFoolintherainn]

​@@petermarshall6577👍👍👍

[@1shotlegend]

​@@TheFoolintherainnwow delusional chapter you wrote, exact same paragraphs I seen before from you actually. Hell bent Swayman hatred. He actually got an assist last year ya goof. If you look into advanced stats, he's very much elite, easily top 10, arguably top 5. He's played every team, with their top players. He carried the Bruins to the 2nd round, not his problem the Bruins struggled to score multiple goals every game that whole playoffs. He's worth every bit of an 8x8 contract.

[@thetruthhurts6652]

I’m a toilette cleaner and I demand to be pid 300k a year. Not because I’m greedy and unreasonable but because I’m looking out for future toilette cleaners in the world. What a joker.

[@TheFoolintherainn]

😆 That's funny It's his agent, Lewis gross - bleeding Toronto's lines dry with that nylander contract He's the one that got Tori Krug overpaid in St Louis when Bruins wouldn't give him what he wanted It's now considered one of the worst contracts in the NHL - he's dead weight Not producing, they can't trade him unless they eat a chunk of his contract. We were not happy that Torey left, I think pasta might have been a little upset because he loved playing with tori, that's pretty much when we lost our power play but Sweeney dodged a bullet in the end. He was proven absolutely correct. Yet here we are... Like groundhog Day Don't know why Bruins fans don't know this and have little faith in Sweeney It's frustrating that this ole dumbass Bobby Orr fan, has-been wannabe goalie skills coach, is fully aware that USA trained goalies don't get Stanley cups, not since 1994 Thomas played in Europe and Jonathan Quick got Olympic experience They were anticipating Jeremy participate in beijing, he didn't. Life ain't Fair But that's where his career failed and he's not at the level they anticipated... Not the future of the Bruins anymore he's only a University of Maine goalie. Nothing else He's had an extremely coddled schedule yet none of these paid sports "expert" journalists will acknowledge any true facts, open up rosters to show that Jeremy has played top teams, but often not their top lines & players. it's so obvious to someone who professionally follows hockey... Last season, Monty refused to tell the media who was tending net until they saw the opponents' rosters Like Vegas coming to boston, Jeremy beat them. Yet neither Stone nor eichel showed up But the sports pundits keep claiming he beat Bruce Cassidy and Vegas? That wasn't Vegas Jeremy's not going to arbitration this year because no way would an arbitrator pay what he wants - they will lift the hood and rub it in his face that he's only a University of Maine goalie, no international experience, his height went from 6.1 to 6 ft 3 in a year? And he still can't scorpion post to post At arbitration, they can show Jeremy dozens of examples where he has no control over his lower left post So it was probably wise for them not to go to arbitration this time This is Lewis gross. CPA sports agent Verses Sweeney / Jacobs family Bruins need to sign him to get control of their asset - but Don Sweeney was a very good hockey player Great vision I'm putting my money on the hockey player over the CPA!

[@hockeytalk6084]

Right 😂

[@shawnbogstie2827]

That mentality is what pushes player salaries through the roof. Some teams are forced to sign guys to ludicrous deals and trade away depth just to keep a player. Boston should of went to arbitration, but that's in the past. Find a GM that wants him badly and will agree to a number that you can sign him for. Then trade him hopefully for a decent goalie or something. I dunno. I'm not a Boston fan, so I can't speak for their fanbase, but what will their reaction be if they sign him to some ridiculous deal. Personally, I think he should be happy with the 6.5 they supposedly offered him. F@#$ prima donna.

[@totallykoolyeah]

Ullmark had a 1M bonus due, which sped up the trade. Not mentioned

[@Droz75]

The Boston Bruins want an elite goalie for nothing. They have always been this way and if you're not gonna take a team friendly deal they either trade you or they'll drag it out. I hope Swayman sticks to his asking price.

[@hockeytalk6084]

See that’s just false lol this entire thing is people oversimplifying a complex situation and just complaining about convenient things that are easy to point fingers for in hindsight. The reality is the Bruins have 8.6 million in cap space and if that isn’t enough for a kid who has played 130 games in the show, then none of this is on Bruins management

[@Droz75]

@@hockeytalk6084 The Bruins franchise is a nickel and dime operation they always have been. And if they have 8.6 million in cap space then they better give 8 of that to their goaltender because he's worth every penny.

[@doaftheloaf]

swayman is not elite. or at least, he hasn't proven he is. you see, elite goalies have to actually be starters, and swayman hasn't been one.

[@Droz75]

@@doaftheloaf the man has never had a save percentage below 900, he's an elite goaltender. And the Bruins know this because they traded the other guy and kept swayman

[@5IveNDlme]

Elite sample size too small.

[@alexrompen805]

oooof..... imagine trading Ullmark and NOT having Swayman under contract.... and then having Swayman hold out on you...... yikes..... although, to be fair, only an idiot would hand Swayman 10M+ a year at this point.....

[@jimmyhockey]

10M does feel steep, Bruins should have held on to Ullmark until they signed a deal, big mistake during the negotiations process

[@ghophuckurselves3562]

to be faaaaaairrrr........

[@stephenphillips6245]

Swayman is worth 9 million going forward.

[@kaboom9081]

why does everyone need to be educated on Ullmark's no-trade clause deadline? How much was Tim Thomas paid? Exactly! I say let Sway go and move on.

[@doaftheloaf]

@@stephenphillips6245 he hasn't been a starter. let him prove that for a year or two, and if he does, then hand him the 9m deal. he hasn't proven he's worth close to what he's asking.

[@oldhab7890]

Really don't think the Bruins will be anything but one of the many teams chasing a wildcard team if Swayman doesn't play. If Swayman wants 10 and the Bruins are offering 6, then it makes sense for Swayman to sit out a year and get the 10 next year from another team. Sitting out puts the Bruins under a lot of pressure if they stumble at all, Swayman may actually get more than 10 if this is the case.

[@5IveNDlme]

If he is playing they are a round 2 team at best...so what's the difference, the fun of false hope for the fans?

[@benoitrobitaille5235]

I entirely support Swayman, just because the goalie market is ridiculously low if compared to the D-Men and Forwards, the equivalent of Swayman as a forward would easily be 9 mil+, probably over 10. Since Price and Bob signed over 10 mil in 2017, no other goalies ever did, the top5 highest paid goalies are the only ones over 6.5 ever and thats including LTIRetired Price, Montreal is paying 4th liners at about the same rate of the 6th best goalie contract.

[@PP-rr1gz]

Say all you want about the Bruins bringing this to themselves. I like how they’re standing firm on what they believe is the reasonable offer for Swayman, even if it means he’ll sit some time out. He’ll be the biggest loser if he sits out. The rest of the team will play on without him. He is a good goalie, but he needs to understand that he doesn’t hold all the chips until he hits UFA. Until then he’ll just need to take whatever his current team is willing to pay in the absence of an offer sheet.

[@chrisdranfield3828]

In today’s nhl you don’t take top players to arbitration.

[@Parmen0901]

Sweeney mentioned December 1st to signal the Bruins are digging in. Swayman either drops his price and signs a deal by December 1st or loses the 2024 NHL pay check, plays in Europe, then it all starts from scratch July 1st 2025, with the eligibility clock not having moved. Lewis Gross played this strategy with William Nylander’s second contract with the Leafs, where he waited until November 30th at 11:45pm to get the deal signed.

[@zacharymenard602]

Imagine getting offered 6 mil a year and saying it’s not enough😧

[@mattferrante8210]

It’s mind blowing to me that the bruins management has taken every single step in a long road to ultimately paying swayman a starting goalie contract, but now don’t want to pay him one. They’ve put obstacles in his way, forced him to prove himself time and time again. Multiple years in a row, even after choosing to stick with him as their guy all throughout his LONG development in the organization. They told him he wasn’t worth it last year. Just a year or so after paying Ullmark 5m to be a backup, with no expectation of being anything more than rasks #2 until swayman could take over. He took his 3.45 1 year arbitration deal and went on about proving himself. Has a great season 1a / 1b with Ullmark. With the playoffs ultimately being the deciding factor, they give the net to Swayman instead of Ullmark like last year. Swayman has a great first run as a playoff starter and Is the SOLE reason the bruins made it past round 1. We go to the offseason and it’s Ullmark getting traded, bruins fans wanted him gone over swayman. Saying he’s not worth the 5m they gave him because we have another CLEAR starter. They DO trade him, bring in another backup for around 4m (dumb but another argument) and every member of the bruins coaching, management, and organization continues to guarantee a deal with swayman, and him moving forward as the starter. They do ALL of this, multiple years in the making, just to turn and try to squeeze swayman for AT MOST 1.5-1.8m???? After everything they asked him to put in, forced him to prove, they consistently TELL him and us that it’s his spot, only to put a condition that it’s only his if he accepts ~ 1m more than we paid Ullmark to be a backup, and ~2m more than the newest SHIT backup we got for Ullmark? Not to mention we paid lindholm almost 8m, a guy brand new to the organization. They’re so willing to throw money at everyone EXCEPT the guy they’ve been developing for 5 years and the guy who’s been meeting every expectation they set for him to GET a real contract for the past year and a half. And they don’t even have a reason like “if Swayman takes 6m we can use the rest to sign X or Y player who would be beneficial to the team” this whole thing is over his “worth”…. If he wasn’t “worth” 7.5-8m which is an AVERAGE starter contract compared to the rest of the league, then WHY DID THEY MAKE EVERY OTHER MOVE OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS TO LEAVE HIM AS THE ONLY STARTER OPTION. We could’ve kept Ullmark for FIVE MILLION. If it was only about “worth” and squeezing “maximum value” out of every player they should’ve let Swayman get offer sheeted took a bunch of 1st rounders or traded him for a backup goalie and pieces, kept Ullmark at 5m and had this 8m left to STACK the team. But they chose to stick w the guy they’ve been developing, which is actually out of character for the bruins management, but commendable. SO GIVE HIM THE REMAINING CAP. They’ve locked themselves into this there is no way out, there aren’t even any guys left on the market worth giving any of the 8m to. They’re going to ruin any chance this team has if they do not give Swayman the remaining cap and make him happy.

[@itzmrbeau6386]

Boston 100% has no problem running korp and Bussi into this season over signing Swayman for what he’s asking I could see Korp having a bounce back type season with the Bruins which moves all the cards back ti Boston’s side of the table

[@thomas77597]

👌

[@chrishaughton1747]

It's a business, Swayman is capitalizing on the mistakes that management has made through this whole thing. Cant blame him. Bruin fans saying he isn't the best player in the team. Sure, he isnt, but a goalie is the most important. They also sound ungrateful. Good luck.

[@richt4297]

2 things .....1) Linus was traded when he was traded due to a change in his trade protection not for the pick, had they waited he could have put the sens on his list and then we would have no trade partners. 2) Swayman took the B's to arbitration last year, not visa-versa

[@LifeAltering]

Every team says that goalies are the key to winning in the playoffs. Teams also pay their top forwards without blinking… Edmonton for example. Sway man should get paid if they want the best chance to win.

[@winstonrumfoord7927]

Ulllmark had a modified no trade clause he was due to submit his list they had to move when they did in case he took Ottawa ofc the list

[@jnsl1982]

An 8 year contract for Swayman won't even come with the normal "yikes"-years at the end that high 8 years contract normally comes with. He's a goalie, he's 25. He's yet to start coming into his prime. With the momentum that the NHL has and they projected cap he will get the bag, if not from Boston then from somebody else. Good on him.

[@doaftheloaf]

if he's yet to start coming into his prime, why pay him like he's already proven he's elite?

[@jnsl1982]

@@doaftheloaf It's a bet, for sure, but I don't see many other options. If he's ok it'll look somewhat bad, less and less so as time goes by. If he's the guy we all think he is it'll be a steal. Bobs contract looked awful a long time, a cup changes a lot.

[@xerttangofoxtrot1549]

I think he’s looking for an 8 x 8. I think this is a bargain for a top five goalie in the league. They’re definitely 20 other teams that would sign him for that.

[@zombiejesus7445]

I would love to see an example of another player that gets about 2.5-3x their previous contract... As a non-rookie And yes, I love Swayman! I cried inside when I learned Ullmark wouldn't be on the team anymore and no goalie hugs, and yes I am a season ticket holder. Swayman put himself in a corner, now he needs to find a team that has $8-10m in cap last minute that will take him. I doubt that team will see the playoffs anytime soon. What is the point of getting a raise just to be on a team that doesn't win?

[@johnkenneally4662]

From what I read, Ulmark had a no trade deal for 1/2 the league and July 1st was a deadline to trade him to Ottawa.

[@jimmyhockey]

Ottawa would’ve taken him anytime of the year trust me. The reason they rushed the trade is because the Bruins had no 1st draft picks and Ottawa was the only team that was willing to give it up. So to draft a center the Bruins rushed the trade before signing Swayman

[@kenny8332]

@@jimmyhockeyIt is true that BOS wanted at least a 1st, but i think it’s very likely Ullmark would’ve put OTT on his NTC list on July 1. It’s well documented Ullmark wanted to stay.

[@niklaslundh8944]

​@@kenny8332To my knowledge Ullmark wanted to stay in the eastern conference so not to sure he would've said no to Ottawa. His priority was stay in the east, not necessarily Boston.

[@qp2044]

Not great moves by Boston leading up to this, but I don't think that they should let that force them into another bad decision. 3 options moving forward: pay him what he wants for how long he wants it, trade him, or let him sit and miss the season and start the same process next year. Based on his comments and the teams options looks like we will be hearing about this process starting over next summer

[@IusedtohaveausernameIliked]

Hard to feel sorry for the Bruins. Go Canucks Go!

[@TheFoolintherainn]

Canucks have no reason to pity the Bruins. you got a couple of damn good players from Boston. See if you can get DeBruske to produce more consistently. I swear he's got seasonal affective disorder cuz he produces at the beginning of the season and the end But not in the middle! Keep him healthy for playoffs and you might go someplace Danton heinen is seriously a Swiss army knife. But you have to keep him healthy Just be nicer to Milan lucic if he goes home to Vancouver this time. Show him some love. He's been through enough. We'll be fine. korpisalo is it 30 year old goalie with a big chip on his shoulder... a little bit of Tim Thomas along the edges Remember Tim? 2011 🏆

[@Zhombeee]

I don't really know what to make of it as I'm not a boston fan but it seems like the bruins shot themselves in the foot and the repercussions of not getting him signed seems worse than just giving him what he wants. They've backed themselves into a 'damned if you, do damned if you don't' situation. One one had, he seems like a key piece to their contention hopes but that is a lot of money locked up in one guy and as an oiler fan.....well..... sometimes those big contracts hurt you in the future.

[@duartecabral55]

The REAL reason they traded Ulmark so early is that trading him before July 1st opened up more cap space plus, the Senators were also ready to trade with a different team. The ideal thing to do was to wait until Swayman was signed but then they probably weren't going to have any trade partners willing to give up much and the cap space would be much less.

[@butcherpete2286]

I cant believe that people actually think a top 10 goalie in the league today asking for top 10 goalie money is absurd. Like they already played with fire for his extension and they are crazy to fan those flames again. I get not wanting to gice him term, given goalies can have oretty volatile seasons from one to the next, butoney wise you cant understate how skilled this guy is with a 6 mil contract.

[@doaftheloaf]

he's not a top 10 goalie asking for top 10 money, he's a guy who's never been a starter asking for top 3 money.

[@butcherpete2286]

@@doaftheloaf keep strokin that Sweeney schlong buddy. All those team friendly deals he's forced players into signing hasn't resulted in a cup in 13 years.

[@5IveNDlme]

He has a dam small sample size.

[@butcherpete2286]

@@5IveNDlme pfffffft dude is the ONLY reason Boston has been relevant in the playoffs 2 years running

[@5IveNDlme]

@@butcherpete2286 he def carried that reg season workload…oh wait.

[@original6hockey402]

Swayman get lost. You’re now severely unliked now in Boston

[@TheFoolintherainn]

I never believed Jeremy is a 1A elite starter on a top Stanley Cup team to begin with They coddled his schedule so carefully..... Micromanaged it down to the rosters Like they set him up to win in Boston against Vegas.. b that was an awesome win for jeremy! But if you lift the hood - neither Mark stone or Jack eichel made the trip That's what every day fans don't understand and sports pundits are just looking for their hot pocket money Big Miss on their part - I have yet to see a sports journalist actually open up all the rosters Jeremy has played Versus the heavy load Linus took on, especially Western teams in their houses, in both Canada and lower 48 We can't let him walk. They've got to get a hold of their asset - they've been investing in him for over 6 years now But I really believe this is a continuation of Lewis gross versus Sweeney / Jacobs family butting heads over Torey Krug Look up that negotiation. It's the first thing I thought of when this popped up because they both have the same agent! Lewis Gross 😒 and Jeremy just happens to be standing there! Sweeney has every right to stand his ground because he was proven correct their last round with Lewis gross Torey Krug was asking too much, got it in St Louis and now that's considered one of the worst contracts in the NHL Tori did not produce, was injured, they've tried to trade him a few times - but no one's willing to pay that amount for him unless St Louis eats part of his contract They went on a major spending spree after the 2019 cup Now they're in trouble - Krug's contract has become dead weight Lewis gross represented nylander - bleeding Toronto's lines dry He's a CPA fighting for his 4% commission But they need to sign Jeremy so they have control over their investment I don't see him staying in that locker room after violating so many long-standing unwritten rules in an original 6 franchise. Bruins office keeps their business close to the vest. There's going to have to be a pretty long kissing and making up sessions with lots of people for Jeremy to stay in that locker room But we don't really know because the other players are keeping their mouths shut Yes - players definitely deserve more revenues..... Like musicians taking on the music industry I would think the NHL players union might be active in that Not a CPA sports agent fighting for his commission This is absolutely not the player to represent this cause - no track record, And the last time a USA trained goalie got a Stanley Cup was in 1994 They saw Jeremy as the future of the Bruins expecting he'd take the Jonathan Quick path to the Stanley cup..... Participate in the olympics, quit got his first Olympic medal and Stanley Cup the same year - Tim Thomas played in Europe and came back a beast. Otherwise, USA trained goalies that come from places like University of maine? Don't get you there And those are true statistics that are ignored. Except for the Bruins know better - he didn't get the olympics, he's not at the value they assumed he would be at this point Brad Marchand winner on social media to call out Gary bettman - stifling the careers of North American players In the next day by coincidence, he was suspended for an appearance of an infraction that he committed years prior based on his reputation I'm an original 6 Bobby Orr fan, but I also get a lot of my sports news out of financial journals Money don't lie! Enjoy the season 🎤 drop

[@lordvasileLive]

We can called that problem the Gen Z problem. Kyle Dubas already had his had in the pie, but took a page out of Stan Bowman book that backfire. Mitch Marner isn't worth i don't know his cap amount 11mill+ he's not Leo Draisaitl etc. What's Pasta Salary? Mitch Marner is 3-4mill worth Less than his. J. Swayman Cap should be allowed 6.7-7.2 Mill 1-2 year term which if he prove himself his extension would be rewarding for the Bruins. He's not a Carey Price Yet, He's not P Rinne he's somewhere in between Cory Schneider & J Gibson. Knowing for while what's happened to both of them. The Boston GM is playing his card right. Nashville had to flipped their other star goalie to avoid this.

[@10bunks12]

I think Swaymen is being stupid. He’s still an RFA. And untested as a official starter who can play 50-60 games. Also The Bruins always have a strong Defense in front of their Goalies. Is Swaymen even as good as people think without that strong defense corps? I get the man wants money we all do. Hey maybe he just wants the money and doesn’t care if he ends up on a dud team for the next 5-6 years.

[@pickachu69]

If he’s traded I could see Calgary getting him. Wolf needs more time and they don’t need cap rn so it won’t affect them much before the cap raises. The avalanche probably needs him the most for cup chances maybe they’d make a deal.

[@jimmyhockey]

But what is Boston getting back? I don’t think either of those teams have what Boston is looking for right now since they are contenders and need a good starting goalie

[@pickachu69]

@@jimmyhockey good goal tenders are hard to find that’s why I think the avalanche would go in on with georgiev and a decent player for swayman. Avalanche have the worst goalie out of all contenders they’ve been looking. There’s not really a starting goalie I could see moved other than maybe binnington but he’s not going to Boston. What goalie do you think they could trade him for? Also I dont expect him not to sign

[@dangdelucia]

Mid-to-late last season, I was firmly in favor of trying to maintain the tandem even though everyone and their mama was saying "trade ullmark, we can't afford both" and now.. here we are, 6ish months later. truth be told, i was obviously shooting for the stars in hoping that both guys would take team-friendly deals in order to maintain the tandem and more importantly the chemistry. i was really worried about locker room vibes and how each goalie would be worse for the wear without their best friend by their side. it sounds stupid but it's the truth, sway and ully were legit best friends off the ice. sway's playoff performance complicated things, and i feel like that recency bias strongly influenced ullmark's trade. now, we lost ullmark and it seems like the front office is stubbornly unwilling to budge, but so is sway and his agent. it's a hot mess, and it's really soured the vibes of training camp and the preseason for me and i imagine some of the dudes in the locker room. honestly, i'm bummed man. even if we sign sway, i feel like the energy will be off. between arbitration and now this, does homie even still want to be here? what a shitshow..

[@ryant3922]

Great Video Jimmy. I'm with Boston on this one. 10 million is far too much, especially for a tendy that hasn't even been a true number 1.

[@jefferyneill]

Well, I do see where people think SwaYman has all the control and has the most leverage. Look at it from this perspective trading Ullmark needed to have they needed a first round pick. They didn’t have pics and they went after it. Swayman is an RFA, so regardless if he signs Boston still has his rights next two seasons. They can either trade those rights or they can choose to give him qualifying offers and let him decline those essentially forcing him to miss playing for two seasons. Swimming has great numbers and I won’t take away from that, but you said it yourself he’s only ever been in a tandem. 62 million over four years is more than reasonable for a goalie with his experience. Boston needs to evaluate this at this point is it worth it to keep swaying in every few years going into this type of negotiation with him or trade him off and make him somebody else’s problem. Time players think they’re superstars and they get superstar contracts and then they absolutely disappear until contract year. My overall point of this is sway doesn’t have as much leverage as he thinks he does. he hast to sign a contract or he doesn’t play for two years. in the meantime that’s 8 million in cap. Space Boston use to get other goalies or other roster spots. Boston has a really good history of mediocre or average goalies and making them very very good.

[@philtess3126]

The bruins success always came from the fact that their stars like bergeron, Savard, Chara and marchand all took paycuts to help the team's success. The moment they signed they signed Pastrnak at 11.5m aav, that culture went out the window. Now they're all aiming for market value contract (which is fair), but it's gonna be way harder for the bruins to replicate the success they've been having during that bergeron days.

[@gazoinked3546]

The Bruins miss Bergeron, as a fan myself, he’s greatly missed and has caused some tremors in the team since leaving. These next two potential losses will be equally as tough.

[@rv2167]

Swayman's ask is actually not that far off market.

[@waynecaudle2204]

For a 200 game sample size and a Vezina trophy winner sitting there to back you up it’s way too much until he can step in as a true number one

[@tazleo316]

Haven't finished the video yet but wow was this ever well put together

[@5IveNDlme]

It's really pro Swayman..can ya feel it???!!

[@karentroupe3523]

Good evening sir Mr hockey this is Karen from Santa Ana California any brand new subscriber I happen to your channel and my regular hockey feet on KZbin and I'm impressed with your knowledge of hockey as well as with this episode nicely done In a nutshell and quite frankly it is my opinion that Mr Swayman is worth at least eight and a half million dollars for at least 8 years the reason I say this is because when Sweeney first drafted him from the AHL directly into the NHL for Boston obviously you're performing crazy good as a goaltender so he is certainly worth that amount for 8.50 for 8 years I feel I hope he doesn't overdo it by asking for 10 million as many are reporting now so with that stated I just wanted to add my four cents in this matter Keep up the excellent work on this channel stay safe and careful ❤❤❤

[@ronpeacock9939]

Well, the GM goofed in moving Ullmark too quickly.. .Yeah, I've heard there was good reasons for that.. still, remember the agent involved. At the same time.. Swayman is NOT a 10M guy... $6M is a good number . Right now, Swayman is an RFA. Something tells me if Sweeney is anything like me.. Swayman may screw himself out of a season. And sitting out does not make you better. Swayman may have some leverage, but not enough. If he was a UFA... big difference.. here, he's only got what the team gives him and if they won't give in.. he's got nothing.

[@whysoserious8666]

With a hard cap, paying one player just takes it away from other players, so it’s hard to support a single player for going for top dollar. I think pay disparities on a team make for bad chemistry. Toronto anyone???

[@brianmclean7576]

Traded Ullmark before signing Swayman - got little in return 4 trade / now they can’t seem to sign Swayman - he’s the 2 or third most important player on team??

[@mickhoddy]

Boston is LA, LA is Boston. In the last 15 years both organizations have literally made any body between the pipes look really good. Boston is smart r now IMO. They don’t need Swayman @ 10. My predictions. If Korpisalo is the starter, he will be fantastic. Ulmark will be brutal in Ottawa. Kuemper will be great in LA.

[@wadekevin2074]

Going to have to pay $8 million plus. Get it done

[@jimmyhockey]

It won't be any cheaper than 8

[@VOLUMEnightclub]

Lol as a rangers fan I’m keeping an eye on this…I love Igor but I want him in ~10m range so it doesn’t eat out cap like Henrik did

[@dieselbaby]

While Boston management brought this upon themselves (and as a Rangers fan I could care less about what happens to them), I have to say, Swayman thinking he's worth 10 million is peak delusional shit.

[@BORRZZ]

Other than a great series against the leafs with a power house d core what has swayman done

[@jimmyhockey]

Posted above a .915 SVV for 4 consecutive years before the age of 25, he also played exceptionally well against the team who went on to win the cup, like I mentioned in the video it’s more about leverage and the bruins moving on from Ullmark too early

[@doaftheloaf]

@@jimmyhockey he's also never been a starter. if you were the habs in 2010, would you have given jaroslav halak an 8x8? this standoff is more due to swayman's greed and arrogance than it is due to the bruins inept handling of the situation. they've offered swayman what he's actually worth.

[@rickstaz612]

Stewart Skinner is earning 2.6 million a season, has taken his team to the final. Faced more shots against. Is he worth 10 million? Nope...niether is Swayman!

[@shawnshana4343]

Skinner didn't take the Oilers to the finals. He was barely good enough to get them there and they succeeded in spite of him. So many terribly soft goals allowed. The Oilers offence carried him. The same cannot be said of the Bruins.