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To celebrate the world cup final, today we explore the chaotic world of football hooligans. A fascinating sub culture that taps into many social, political and primal factors.
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[@sinceninetyeightysixgustof8122]

the commentary on men and purpose and wether intentional or not how it relates to today was spot on good work kid

[@stephennewberry9815]

Some you got out of order. Some completely wrong. Some is just bull crap. Not one film released gets it right. Danny Dyer or not. My last away match 15/04/1989 As a Garibaldi Red. Your video trivializes decades of social upheaval. And it was a shinty match which is why they were hitting each other with sticks. Alot of Shinty clubs did start playing and then turn into football clubs. But later

[@spuddy4845]

Only the lefty scum hate football

[@alehlete830]

the foot ball club of edinburgh oldes tfootball club

[@ACGI657]

You got a few bits wrong here, thatcher didn’t stop football hooliganism, it was the rave scene. Young fans would stay out raving on the Friday night into Saturday morning and then not bother with the football. Good video though👍

[@skippy8696]

I've heard it said that in Britain, football is a gentleman's game played by thugs and rugby is thug's game played by gentlemen. Based on everything I've witnessed, this seems to be more or less accurate.

[@neilo2323]

It’s kind of true but English (not Scottish or Welsh) rugby players tend to be big, posh guys from privileged backgrounds who can be even worse. Usually wankers who think they’re better than working-class boys.

[@skippy8696]

@_sanguine.rose_ I'm Australian so naturally I love a good rugby fight 😅

[@stn7172]

Yup soccer is pretty serious

[@Remake5182]

I was thinking the exact same thing while watching. This saying came to mind.

[@stearrow_3245]

You ever seen a university rugby team night out? Animals.

[@BobyourUncle]

The rave subculture and ecstasy were also a massive contributor to the decline in violence from the early to mid 90's. This has been very well documented.

[@admiralbenbow5083]

Has it??

[@PoliPantev]

@@admiralbenbow5083 why would somebody fight if they were poping x and just dancing

[@christopherjolly3556]

I think they talk about that in a book from years ago called ' last night a dj saved my life ' im sure thats what it's called .

[@fantasyproduct1042]

The hooligans sold the pills

[@breakfreak3181]

It contributed a little, but it's effect is massively overplayed. The biggest contributer to the then decline in football violence was that people had started to get *long* prison sentences, the huge police crackdown under Thatcher in the late 80's and lifetime stadium bans. A lot of the top boys ended up running doors and selling pills, not taking them. Also the creation of the Premier League, when teams became 'brands'. The clubs were eager to clamp down to sell the PL to a larger audience....the violence was always there though, but in the lower leagues.

[@Zeitgeist6]

There's this Dutch/British neo-folk band called H.E.R.R. that has a song called Hopes Die In Winter which is about hooliganism. I saw them perform it live sometime in the 2000's and their singer Troy Southgate (yes that Troy Southgate) was standing there on stage with his football scarf and fierce eyes almost like making a political proclamation about how men could be men during the weekend after a long week of tedious labour. It was one of the most intimidating things I'd ever seen during a live performance.

[@nexionaut]

Crystal Palace supporter?

[@Zeitgeist6]

@@nexionaut I don't know.. I don't follow football myself.

[@IslamisGay]

Fairy

[@vodaredhill1704]

Fighting in the stands at Millwall was interrupted today when football broke out on the pitch.

[@nomdechien3038]

😂😂good one🤘

[@omarkharnivall2439]

In Brazil we have the same problem, they are called “organized cheer team” or something like this. They show up with a lot of props at the stadium (even though many were prohibited for being used as makeshift weapons) and its quite beautiful to witness their passion for their team. The violence has been decreasing and the funny thing is that a while ago truck drivers decided to block roads and only these hooligans were able to break the blockage because they desperately wanted to watch a match kkk even the federals didnt dare to break the blockage😅

[@jansmith8872]

@Omar Kharnivall, sounds mental but with youth, strength and especially we don't give a fk what happens to us attitude, doesn't surprise me. Have fond memories of my teenage yrs singing, drinking & rarely seeing a whole game, could or would I do it now? no fkn way! it's a coming of age thing, or was for many of us. Respect from UK!

[@dalroache]

Obrigado

[@doogus8728]

Lol. Football hooligans all around the world!

[@TheBobRock57]

Torcidas?

[@omarkharnivall2439]

@@TheBobRock57 almost right! torcidas organizadas

[@capitantilapia]

Here in Brazil a crime syndicate called PCC actually banned fights between hooligans in São Paulo after a gruesome fight last month. If they fight, they will be killed. It's quite common to have someone dead by the end of a game here.

[@juhotasken]

I mean that sounds kind of cool, because fuck this fighting shit it's meant to be just about the sport. So at least they work A LOT better than some lousy one security guy alone, who cannot do anything if the hooligans wanna keep fighting and causing other watchers to not watch the game at all knowing how things may end up. So idk, i mean i know PCC and the gangs in Brazil are really fucking serious but i think for once if they enforce that stuff it might be just a good thing.

[@extsaojose]

@@juhotasken sounds cool? Living in a Narcostate is not cool

[@StallionStudios1234]

I heard about that. Wounds crazy. Worst thing I have seen at an American football game was fans of the visiting team kept standing up to block the folks behind them who were cheering for the home team. "Sit the F down" was about as aggressive as it got. They kept standing up every time a play happened and more swearing. That was about it.

[@rockoorbe2002]

​@extsaojose maybe so but it's telling when a crime syndicate is better at enforcing order than the actual government

[@73whitezz]

As a young man, in late 80s early 90s Edinburgh, I was involved for a while in this culture. There was definitely a feeling of frustration in the housing scheme I lived in. It felt like there were few opportunities, the closing of all the youth clubs also contributed to the violence. The youth club Closest to me was often used as a peace broker between the rival housing schemes when things were getting out of hand. It was the local gangs fighting through the week, then we'd all go up town at the weekend, join up with others who supported the same team as you & have at it with rivals. Looking back on it, it was crazy. I was not in deep, thankfully.

[@anarchords1905]

Do you, per chance, remember when clubs like Pure started in early 90s Edinburgh? Football violence in dim people, overcome by MDMA. A wondrous thing to see and feel.

[@73whitezz]

@@anarchords1905 I sure do. Pure was tremendous! I remember going down to the Venue, Calton studios, the vaults etc. I do think the emergence of MDMA & the club/rave scene helped quell the violence back then.

[@sayeedharem4673]

The poor kids cannot afford to take part . It's the grown youths from two parent homes doing this mess .They have jobs , can afford the best sportswear , season tickets and travel .Have enough for food and alcohol . They were getting away with it for years.

[@noneofyourbizness]

@@sayeedharem4673 "The poor kids cannot afford to take part" ...NOW. but they could then. (see also: dramatic hike in ticket prices post 1986) on match days, no one who didn't want to paid train/tube fares back then and it cost 1 or 2 pounds to watch top flight football live. it wasn't only affordable it was a life saver. For many it was the only place that held any sense of meaning/purpose./community/belonging. Due to the pitiful level of compensation paid to those millions of folks whose livelihoods she so dismissively sacrificed on the altar of her deranged obsession with destroying the union movement, thatcher ensured that the UK under a tory government was (and remains) a very unhealthy place to be reliant on anything less than the average income, let alone the subsistence income paid under the state's rather perversely labelled 'benefits' system. tl;dr: going to the football was a few hours of critical respite from the relentless, deliberately soul crushing reality of the time.

[@dublinsfaircity]

Hibs or Hearts?

[@parkeydee]

Absolutely brilliant video, randomly suggested to me. And not disappointed at all.. extremely informative and accurate, I’m shocked how you managed this in such a short video!You’ve earned yourself a sub my guy!!

[@vilo221]

hooliganism is not about football lets be real. its about taking out all of your frustrations (be it the government, family life, health issues etc.) They just pretend to care about football

[@mirex-konex]

it is not about taking out frustration - hooliganism is about stupid morons raised in violent environment - their only way how to express themself is violence.

[@dylan-5287]

Reminds me of the summer 2020 riots in the US. People just using any excuse to go crazy, burn stuff down, loot, and hurt other people. They'll find any reason.

[@denim_ak]

Honestly that’s how I think it works with identity politics too. Like hating the other side is a scapegoat people use to not admit to themselves what’s really bothering them. Most of the time. In the beginning anyway before violence happens and then it’s different.

[@perfectallycromulent]

it is partially the football. fans are always seeing their star players try to score points and fail, and that makes them frustrated and violent, compared to sports like basketball or US football, where points are plentiful and star players are seen succeeding in every game.

[@TheProffa8719]

It's about Football. The issue is that British youth culture revolves around drinking, fighting and sports. Even if you have social issues or not, ppl still engaged in hooliganism. That's why racism became an issue recently.

[@FranciscoGarcia-hi3zx]

Thanks for these videos. I’ve always been curious about European subcultures and I feel like I’m sat with a friend from across the pond finally telling me the stories.

[@umakinmefeelgay956]

That's So gay

[@PurplePerinaise]

This is not a European subculture it happens all over the world...

[@umakinmefeelgay956]

@@PurplePerinaise nall just y'all crazy azz

[@PurplePerinaise]

@@umakinmefeelgay956 lol troll the world or get educated 👌

[@captainkenzie6873]

@@umakinmefeelgay956 I feel like i just had an aneurism reading that.

[@davidredshaw448]

There was little football hooliganism in the post WW2 era. My schoolboy friend and I used to stand on the terraces at White Hart Lane in the 1950s and early 60s in crowds of 76, 000 (which is what White Lane held then). My parents never worried. It was unusual to see a fight. The trouble started with skinheads in 1968 and after that you had to be a bit careful about where you stood and leaving the ground. The police and the clubs took ages to work out what was happening and how to section off the various areas of the ground and prevent one lot filing Red Indian style through the crowd at half time to get at the other lot.

[@StallionStudios1234]

This game you are not ready for it. Your in the middle of this beautiful sci-fi environment. Simple actions have massive effects. More players start coming and it starts a complete cascade of actions. People start dying left right and center. Everybody is this journey and writing their own stories. Things continue to change and evolve, its awesome and I love it.

[@kingjoe3rd]

Hooliganism dates back to the time of the Romans, where Chariot racing fans would behave similarly. It's kind of a bizarre thing when you compare British Football hooligans to Chariot racing fans because it's so similar. The chariot racing fans had their owns firms, one called the Greens and the other the Blues. It would be an interesting study on why such behavior manifests in societies and if it's tied to any type of decline or period of decadence.

[@Takeru9292]

It’s just Tribalism that’s all, it’s not that complicated. The tribalist instinct that is encouraged by hooliganism explains why many of these hooligans tend to be far right fascists/racists.

[@noneofyourbizness]

in the UK the rapid increase in 'hooliganism' in the 80s was a direct consequence of the government's economic policy...'shut down industry because that will shut down the union movement'. many millions of 'working class ' men had their jobs, homes, families, dignity etc deliberately eradicated, simply because the prime minister despised collective bargaining and the associated right for folks to withdraw their labour if the situation called for it. a vicious, despicable, petulant and dim witted policy from a political party that has precisely the same depraved mentality today as it had back then.

[@Takeru9292]

@NunofyourBusiness true but still no excuse for the racism so prevalent among these hooligans. You ever seen the "This is England" film? It's a good depiction of how nasty these men can be.

[@Kriegerdammerung]

If England's 1980s would have been the paradise of the working class, "Hooligans" would be a non-existent word.

[@kristiangustafson4130]

Actually originally the "Demes" were four: Blues (Vénetoi) and Greens (Prásinoi), the Whites (Leukoí) and Reds (Roúsioi). The latter two were absorbed into the Blues and Greens later.

[@adamdh1266]

From Rollerblading to firms. This channel does it all 😎

[@ComicusFreemanius]

But see I love non-team, non-ball sports. Once there's a ball and a team something about it makes me lose faith in humanity and then I wanna spit.

[@captainkenzie6873]

@@ComicusFreemanius Even cricket?

[@ComicusFreemanius]

@@captainkenzie6873 Nah cricket, polo, baseball and rugby are all cool somehow.

[@jacksonbauer5199]

Ive never been a hooligan, but I can attest that there’s something entirely unique about the bonds formed between men in battle. Knowing that the man to either side of you has the same pure love for you that you have for them and that they value your existence just as much, if not more than their own, creates a level of altruism rarely witnessed outside of war. I imagine that plays at least some part in this culture…

[@jamieholmes6087]

It's not supposed to be a battle tho.

[@jacksonbauer5199]

I wholeheartedly agree. I wasn’t advocating for their behavior, merely pointing out a reason for how people could find themselves participating in something they normally wouldn’t.

[@Lezzyboy87]

Doing it over a sport as soft as football though 😂

[@MOTHUG786]

It's just hooliganism. It's not exactly a battle or war lmao there's no justice or righteousness here. It's spectating a friggin sport event lmao

[@tomc4187]

Yeah, except this narrative of brotherly love just functions as a facade, and is largely an excuse for inbreds to wallow in a perverse enjoyment of engaging in violence with other inbreds.

[@Popster.f1]

When I was younger my parents banned me from wearing my home teams football kit, especially at weekends when there might have been a match on to protect me from getting attacked by the oppositions supporters. One of my friends was attacked when he was 7 and that'd where it all started. The fact that children had to be banned from wearing their team kit to protect them from grown men because they support another football team. This started when I was 6 and still carries on. This is still horrible. This should never have to happend. I understand why lots of football clubs outside of the UK said "Don't be like the English" this is horrible.

[@candideggplant1575]

Grown men attacking children? Man, that is scummy.

[@chrisfrank2664]

Kids being attacked , words can’t describe how bad and ridiculous it is. That’s beyond any of these”hooligans mentality“ wanting to get into fight/scrap, but more psychopath mentality to attack 6-7 year old kids! Knowing a couple guys, let me say this carefully; “who said if they were involved with any firms / ultras”, they’ve told me there is plenty of rules that everyone abides by. Basically only fighting with another clubs firm/ultras at a prearranged time & place away from the stadium grounds. Never attack citizens, tourists, families! All of them would be disgusted if anyone attacked a woman or a child. It would actually become one thing that could Unite 2 groups about to go at it and go after anyone who did such a horrible thing.

[@Genius_at_Work]

Happened in Germany too. Some HSV Hooligans from Hamburg beat a Kid to Death, because he was wearing Werder Bremen Kit.

[@nme9879]

​@@chrisfrank2664 think this guy is telling pork pies, I've been going to football for over 40 years, been involved in fighting, not proud of it now, but never ever have I seen a 6 or 7 year child being attacked, if that happened the person doing it would of been attacked trust me

[@realistofcambridge6964]

Seven year old attacked? Seems a bit of bullshit to me.

[@robnewton3368]

Bill Buford’s “Among the Thugs”, is a fascinating read. An outsiders view of English football hooliganism during the 80’s when it was at its height. The dynamics of the crowd & mob mentality are discussed as well as many tangential issues as to why, particularly this was happening in England.

[@dvened]

for a second i thought you said Bill Bruford

[@mattchurchill]

​@dvened me too 😂

[@robnewton3368]

@@mattchurchill : Not the drummer! I once had a very confused conversation (with a drummer in a band I was playing) about this very topic.

[@ResistanceQuest]

​@@robnewton3368it would be so sick though, if Bill Bruford was also a cultural anthropologist or whatnot

[@dvened]

@@ResistanceQuest he did publish a book if that counts

[@killswitchlee123]

I wish football hooligans would carry the same energy against oppressive governments.

[@jamesalexander5588]

They're too afraid

[@apilolomi43]

In some cases they do.

[@samwallace7313]

🤣🤣​@@apilolomi43

[@Petronium123]

Any examples of oppressive government?

[@user-vp6cq4sv3d]

I wish people who said this same thing over and over actually just did it themselves?

[@marktaylor6491]

10:28 - "It turned into a riot that destroyed Luton". So they weren't all bad then.

[@Nick-Lab]

Funny how the fans go out and hurt people over a sport where the players just pretend to get hurt lol

[@indiekiddrugpatrol3117]

In the 80s players didn't act like they do now however

[@matt.baller]

Really well done video buddy - nicely put together, well narrated, and not glorifying it. Top job.

[@relo999]

The Dutch disease: inflation due to complex economic issues. The English disease: people bashing each others skulls in because the other was wearing the wrong shirt of a guy kicking a ball.

[@edjohnson8017]

Simple as.

[@theverylaggygamer2667]

Feynoord and ajax are a lot worse than this nowadays 😂😂

[@rogercooper1307]

Football is a culture especially the football casuals all about clothes and football. About wearing something different that nobody else has very similar to the original mods .so it's much more than that

[@dpt6849]

Dutch disease is now applied to bring the hooliganscene back. Without it political cabal is ruining the country.

[@albusnightspring8057]

@@rogercooper1307 a culture for subhumans

[@ld5382]

The drop off in football violence in the 1990’s is a case of correlation doesn’t equal causation. At the same time the Thatcher government introduced new measures and legislation, ecstasy was introduced to the UK and the rave scene really popped off. A lot of hooligans simply stopped going to football and started going to raves. Talk to anyone involved now they’ll tell you it’s just as violent now, it’s just more underground and secretive.

[@MsCareyBaaaaaby]

Dated a British guy who introduced me to all of the history of this. Cause I could never understand why there were so many fights at football games. Kind of understood when he explained the love of there hometown and what the teams do for there community. He introduced me to the SE Dons and I have been a fan since lol.

[@jamisbillson4872]

SE Dons? MK Dons or Wimbledon do you mean? MK Dons weren’t a thing in the 1980’s. So if it’s Wimbledon then I’m not sure there were many rows. Great days back in the 80’s though. Luton was brutal most Saturdays when we were at home. The nearby London clubs all wanted to take us. Some did most didn’t. We didn’t have the numbers like Arsenal’s Herd, Bushwackers, the Yid Army or the ICF but we had quality. And apart from Leicester, the only firms that didn’t recognise colour or culture.

[@MsCareyBaaaaaby]

@@jamisbillson4872 No sir. I definitely meant the SE Dons. They are a team from South East, started in 2014 I believe. I really just love the commentary on the videos. Hilarious. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX-sfplujKueodk

[@bigdunc228]

Luton totally had us one away. Seriously took us right out. Good firm. Shit Pitch.

[@jamisbillson4872]

@@bigdunc228 I missed that one mate. Unfortunately I wasn’t old enough to get involved in the early 80’s. Did a little spotting with my mates though. Has several phone box numbers around Luton train station, town centre and Bury Park where the stadium is. The MIGs knew that organisation was our strength. Along with almost all Luton fans…we are proud of our history in and off the pitch.

[@flowerchildd423]

This is very well explained. I studied football hooliganism in my third year sports law module & i always found this subculture so interesting. New subbie :) keep up the great work!

[@hmu05366]

It’s not interesting in the slightest

[@dublinsfaircity]

Very true Marie. It certainly is fascinating.

[@alynwillams4297]

@@barry3012tribal warfare

[@robnewton3368]

It is interesting, because it’s not just about the violence although that’s a significant part of it. A motivated, passionate crowd - a small army if you will - can act as an effective vehicle of subversion against a repressive government. Football matches may be the only place people can gather together make their voices heard and protest - safety in numbers so to speak.

[@alynwillams4297]

@@robnewton3368 just like in Ukraine in 2014 in the revolution of dignity. Most of what was on the frontline were organised football firms with connections across the country and that have dealt with police tactics, brutality and organised violence before. And when Russia invaded in 2022 most of the football firms were already organised and were provided with weapons

[@badger297]

These are like 30for30 documentaries that are free on KZbin. Thanks Jimmy!

[@caitis1091]

There's another angle to this that not many people consider. I'm a working class woman who grew up close to a football ground in the UK, but if it was a match day and the game had finished already, I might as well have been living in Iran. If I needed to pop to the shop I'd have to get my dad or one of my older brothers to go for me because it was too dangerous and scary for me to go because I'd have to go through the crowds to get to the supermarket. In the UK, in daylight. Crazy. Thankfully, it's pretty much over now, but hooligans made my life objectively worse for while. Tangentially, something that still pisses me off is how teen girls/ young women being obsessive over a boy band/pop star/tv show get mocked endlessly, but grown men throwing tantrums over the wrong stranger kicking a ball across a field is seen as reasonable somehow?!?!?!?!?(not hooliganism, just the normal kind of angry (how is this normal?) some men get whenever their team is losing)

[@lilee-rayecousins6104]

I don’t understand why you don’t have more subs! These videos are such high quality, keep up the good work!

[@SaltyChip]

Many of his vids are about people that do bad or negative things. KZbin algorithm prefers upbeat, Positive content so his videos aren’t showing up in peoples’ recommendations and that can be the difference between 300k and 3million. He will get bigger… but it will take longer.

[@hoihallo2904]

Only been scared 1 time at football. We (Feyenoord) had smashed a pub from NAC Breda. (I wasn't there). Only a short while later they played us at home. So we had a group of 150 waiting in a pub and I was with 30 lads close to the stadium. We expected revenge, so we were ready. After a while a huge group came from a few hundred yards away chanting NAC hooligans. We were vastly outnumbered but we stood our ground, just to find out, while the group was really close, it was our own group(the 150) singing their songs as a joke. Never been more scared, cause if it was them, I could have been seriously hurt or worse. Standing our ground was normal back then, but now, as a father, I would run.

[@gandiashop9391]

He is fron the netherland.

[@gandiashop9391]

Nac heeft gewoon een toxic supporters groep

[@dvened]

stop saying we if you weren't there. perpetuates the tribalism

[@CursxR0]

Nothing noble about standing ur ground against a bunch of wankers with nothing going on

[@chrisball8178]

Absolutely brilliant video mate. Adding to my Sports Studies class playlist 🙌

[@Trash2000s]

Thats a very specific playlist ya have there bucko

[@vajs6312]

In Croatia it was, and still is, very much the same. Hooligans basically go to games to get pissed and get into a scuffle. Once when my mate and I went to a home game of our club Hajduk Split, we met up with some hooligans who we were good friends with. There were 3 of them and one just sat in his seat and slept through the whole game because he was so drunk and burnt out on testosterone and violence. After a while, it stopped being about football and became this mini-civil war between hooligan factions. They'd come to a rival town, sit down for a drink in some bar and the leader of the away hooligans would call the leader of the home hooligans to tell them the location. The best part is that no game would be played on that day, it'd just be a kind of hooligan field trip. A field trip which would leave 3 bars trashed. That being said, those same factions are first responders when it comes to organizing a civil response against fires, earthquakes, collecting funds for someone's life-changing operation and so on. In that regard, they're more advanced than our own government. So, yeah, it's a tightrope walk.

[@CroHOOLIGANs]

You forgot that so called "hooligans" where the first in line to go in war for independence , while lot of nowadays politicians didn't even been in army but outside Croatia. ZDS

[@mickharrison9004]

Lol 😂 your trying to tell us who invented this sht 🍺🤘

[@dvened]

Sounds like these people are lacking some serious models and leadership in their lives. Sounds like they want to be put to good use as civil servants but instead default to beating each other up. Reminds me of retired Roman soldiers who had nothing left to live for and started becoming thugs. Remove a man from his life's purpose, and he lashes out

[@mickharrison9004]

@@dvened very well said freind and so true great quote .

[@NSCroatia1986]

Šuti da ne bi dobio motikom po glavi

[@Hoodie1878]

A lot calmed down early acid house/raves 89-92 Many out raving taking ecstasy at weekends!

[@fatdaddy1996]

Hoodie, yes absolutely that and Italia 90 making it fashionable for middle class people too.

[@harrisonrawlinson5650]

When I lived in Lancashire, I barely knew anybody who regularly watched or followed football. But moving down to the south, it’s all anybody seems to care about, I work with about 4 people who’s marriages have broken down because they’re to obsessed with football, where they will go to every game, often spending thousands of pounds a year and a lot of weekends away from home. They seem to support teams from 50 or even 250 miles away from where they live or were born. They get so passionate and angry when people talk about their football teams in a negative way. If their team loses, they will be grumpy, angry and snappy for at least 3 days

[@Jake-ug9vu]

It’s a form of brainwashing through tribalism.. very sad

[@isaacreed7953]

Where in Lancashire, cause how you describe down south is my experience of Lancashire

[@harrisonrawlinson5650]

@@isaacreed7953 between Blackburn and Chorley in a small village

[@mickfoskett6629]

​@@harrisonrawlinson5650..not surprised then..Leeds to Manchester were all obsessed with their teams!😱👹

[@Will-D]

How you make quality videos so quickly I have no clue but it is so incredible.

[@The_Prophet...]

Buy lying

[@tropicalpalmtree]

1970/80s was such a tumultuous and gritty time in the UK but so important. I do credit and like the Football Hooligans for defining an era that will never be forgotten. I absolutely love our history.

[@4213ags]

Aye, the good old days.

[@whrobert9940]

The low standard of this video has informed me that even those with nothing to saying can get people to listen to them if it's a video essay.

[@zimankhan7411]

Casuals started to wear stone island around 1986/87. No casual wore it in the early 80s. Which many people say

[@coniferclose]

You sure about that mate.😂😂😂

[@epic8923]

this type of sort of hooliganism is also very common in Portugal's football culture. It the thing that made me hate football in general to it's core. I can't even stand hearing people arguing about it because of how one team just won the match due to the referee being bribed or because of corruption or whatever. I get seriously confused how so many people just lash out over such a pointless thing to get angry over.

[@dvened]

misguided individuals, a sign of the state of society. we should rally behind some unifying cause not divide over random factions that have no bearing to what is really going on in the world

[@fluorescentadolescent2640]

"Football culture" spot on, people focus on specific countries to much when its football that should be looked at, it happens everywhere where theres football, you don't see it with other sports

[@ChelseaPensioner-DJW]

The main thing that slowed down football hooliganism, was the use of Ecstasy in the 90s. Known as the 'Love Drug', it really did have a big effect socially, from illegal raves to the football terrace.

[@joob6986]

Great video! Can you do a video on the skinhead subculture next? Covering it's roots in 2Tone/Ska?

[@olliestudio45]

yes I second that. Just a suggestion -- this was like 95 history and maybe 5 percent analysis at the end. Maybe a 70 - 30 split between the two might make the analysis less of an afterthought

[@chalkknees1754]

RIP Terry Hall💕

[@JimmyTheGiant]

@@olliestudio45 Thanks for the feedback, I always try and balance as I'm no expert on these topics so I don't want to weight my opinion as more important than the story. However if people enjoy hearing my perspective I will try work it in a bit more.

[@olliestudio45]

@@JimmyTheGiant Referencing 'psychologists and sociologists' (as you do in the vid) is a great way to give your perspective while still basing everything on 'recognised expert opinions'. Anyway your content is great and very shareable. Big up.

[@severlst2293]

I second this. I’ve never seen a decent video on trads.

[@kerkiraz]

I did an eye opening thesis on football hooliganism for a sociology course a few years back and In my humble opinion this is an excellent synopsis with good research an excellent narration to boot 👍

[@esb618]

Could you link your thesis? Im interested in reading it

[@cbarclay99]

As someone who was there at the time, football hooliganism as a culture ended with the Heysel disaster. What happened there - Liverpool fans 'running' opposing fans (in fact they were neutrals or non-hooligans as the Italian ultras were at the other end of the ground) - was what was happening at most grounds every week. Previously there had been very few deaths from football hooliganism (the Hillsborough tragedy was yet to happen). The Heysel disaster broadcast live on TV showed how lethal football hooliganism could be. Football hooliganism did not end overnight. However the number of hooligans was reduced to the hard core, say a firm of 500 was reduced to 50. Numbers that the police could deal with.

[@corebreaker85]

Love the videos on subcultures, nice to see Jimmy branching out.

[@brokenbizkit]

Same shit in Germany. A few years ago the team of my hometown Mannheim had a final match in the on going season which decided whether they get up into 3. league or not. The hooligans were rioting so much the referee stopped the match which automaticly made the other team win... SV Waldhof Mannheim were trying to get out of League Nr. 4. for like a decade. So sad for the players to have "fans" like that when you only want to do the sport you got raised with and you love. I really liked how you showed why hooligans do what they do and that its not just a hobby.

[@eve-llblyat2576]

But its the right thing to do. The clubs are responsible for their fans. Whats missing. The UeFa is doing this. The FiFa should go this way to.

[@Remake5182]

@@eve-llblyat2576 Death and destruction aint worth fandom

[@aloragreenteam2343]

I can confirm that working years in security ... judges in germany are way too soft ! Often British hools visited germany to as they called" having fun " often after arrested by us they wouldn even see trial and just send back..outrages !

[@oracle8589]

Germans are worse than English these days. After the nations league match vs England at Wembley, over 100 masked Germans stormed a pub in London attacking everybody with Machetes including women and children.

[@moynanplayz5379]

I agree it’s not fair and I was around hooligans when I went to games and I have left a comment if you want to read it

[@TheNinjaCoby]

Hooligans are like Fight Club.

[@vindolanda6974]

There wasn't a massive wave of immigration post WWII. There was some immigration at that time, but large scale immigration only started in the 1990s under New Labour.

[@chrismorel8613]

I can still remember when it was concrete steps, metal bars and press. Seeing all seated stadiums still seems new to me.

[@j.peters1222]

I mean El Salvador and Honduras fought a small 3.5 day war over a football match if that gives you an idea how bad football hooligans are. They managed to convince their governments to have their own little scrap lmao

[@lihchong2267]

I was in Marseille around the time england and russia played in 2016. The british fans were very conspicuously getting drunk everywhere they went - a nuisance, but generally benign. A few days into their stupor, the russians struck. They were terrifying.

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Now can we get a follow up on European continental hooligans as well? I mean, the Dutch have a reputation for being very passionate about their clubs, for better or worse and have had truly shocking hooligan fights that are quite litreally to the death

[@LacitsyM]

Boca juniors are the worst in the world, bloody crazy them lot!

[@mbrady2329]

Serbian firms copied the English firms, and many of them went onto be paramilitaries during the break-up of Yugoslavia.

[@SLFootballFTT]

Cheers for the brief feature with the vice comment 🤣 All in all very impressed with this video, a very well covered and interesting video on the phenomenon of football hooliganism. Without snitching on anyone, nowadays it still definitely exists it's just mostly out of view of the public and mostly only involving those who want to be involved. Football hooliganism is definitely biggest in Continental Europe at the moment, the organisation of their hooligans gives them the advantage over the UK where it seems to be more random and spontaneous now. Nonetheless, the influence of UK casuals culture, dress etc is still ingrained in football all around the world. Realistically considering how a lot of clubs effectively represent their cities or communities within cities there's always gonna be a subsection of fans willing to take their passion for their club to a violent level and no matter what security measures are in place history suggests they'll find ways to fight. So in my eyes, if they wanna fight outside of public view and not disturb regular fans as we're seeing with forest fights, arranged scraps etc then so be it. Even among Hooligan Firms nowadays attacks on regular fans, civillians etc are mostly condemned and viewed as cowardly.

[@JimmyTheGiant]

I wonder if any genuine organisation of it might happen, id watch it 🤣

[@kebabtank]

@@JimmyTheGiant King of the Streets is a good example, but it is one on one.

[@Ash-gv7uj]

That was a really good look at some of the history behind it I wanted to understand. Well presented and with no bias or partisanship shown when looking at the more political elements (something we see far too much of these days) I'll be sure to have a look at some more of your videos and if they're as detailed and as well put as this one, ill likely be subscribing.

[@DEAD-DROP]

Another interesting topic, covered extremely well! Great work as always Jimmy!

[@stephencavanaugh8377]

Thank you for getting history correct. Without fanfare or BS. You've done a wonderful job with this video.

[@glorifiedonion6676]

Its just another reason for people to hate eachother and segregate themselves (bizarely) into us VS them despite having no real differences.

[@nimtabile9198]

Love this!!! Can you expand more on the skinheads and rudeboys?

[@CMDR.Gonzo.von.Richthofen]

Second this idea!

[@xJayAddams]

Can you expand more on rockers/punks too?

[@kandyburra]

Has this guy done one on Mods yet?

[@chrisholland7367]

Why just skinheads let's expand on this. Mods, Rockers/Bikers and the casuals who probably became the football hooligans of the 80's.

[@miss.l.1563]

There's also skinheads who go by "SHARP" they are anti-racist skinheads , against the white power skinheads , fascists etc. 👍.

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

Obviously half a generation of lads growing up without fathers post WW1 & 2 had a lot to do with it.

[@CosmicCreeper99]

What? You think the lack of potential toxic masculinity imposed on young boys due to not having fathers because of the wars would grow them up to be toxic-masculine thugs? I mean if they only had their mothers left to raise them then I wouldn’t assume they would grow up to be the hooligans they were. I think you’re referring to the other way round.

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

@@CosmicCreeper99Mothers are not capable of turning boys into men. The ones which grow up without a father are 20 times more likely to end up in jail. Nice bait though

[@SamHainScott]

@@CosmicCreeper99 boys brought up by single mothers are the most violent demographic on the planet

[@yousefshahid]

@@CosmicCreeper99 if you actually truly believe that any man alive before your generation is a toxic male then what can i say? theyve trained you well i guess..

[@simonlhill-si4sx]

Nah, just us Brits are a violent breed by and large. That’s why we took over nearly half the world. It’s in our blood.

[@Horcrux_maker]

My dad would tell me stories about his hooli days,he had a trench coat with extra hidden pockets sewn into it to hide weapons,and would tell me about massive fights with arsenal firms (he followed spurs) never saw the appeal of that lifestyle at all

[@StallionStudios1234]

It is a very satisfying starting out at the bottom, getting to more bigger ships, bigger enemies. I wanted to sit into a certain ship, fly and I wanted to undock. That ship is the dream. Once you get it there is no greater feeling. You have a ton to do. All the options are there. Basically just jump into whatever catches your attention. Get out and try it!

[@HaraiGoshi345]

I find it funny how, as a skateboarder, our culture is deemed to be more of a nuisance to society than football hooliganism, especially by the older folks

[@Slowburn_-lk4oh]

That’s not true if you get in a fight at football your banned for life - skateboarders don’t get banned for life

[@HaraiGoshi345]

@@Slowburn_-lk4oh You can still get banned from an indoor park or get a public service restriction. Besides, us skaters don’t really tend to get into these kinds of situations unless physically or aggressively verbally provoked, usually by imbeciles like footy hooligans 😂

[@underscoreellipsesdothyphe1563]

@@HaraiGoshi345 most football fans aren't hooligans, only a select few "bad people" who ruin it for everyone else, like they always do in everything. But maybe because skateboarders or bladers or BMXers skate anywhere, eg they'll just skate around public walkways and can crash into things eg people / cars . . best to just skate at skateparks, same way cyclists are deemed a nuisance when they cycle in the middle of the road for example you wouldn't mountain bike on a walkway you'd mountain bike on a bike path nor would you cycle on a pavement

[@HaraiGoshi345]

@@underscoreellipsesdothyphe1563 If skateboarders and BMXers are seen roaming the streets, that is usually because there are a lack of facilities for the sport such as outdoor and indoor skateparks as society doesn’t appear to acknowledge the popularity of these “alternative” sports compared to your mainstream sports like football and are not willing to invest in facilities for these sports. Just like how the folks in the video are saying their culture is their lifestyle, it’s the same with us, we gotta make do with what we have a lot of time as it’s the passion that keeps us going.

[@underscoreellipsesdothyphe1563]

@@HaraiGoshi345 there are loads of indoor and outdoor skate parks lol but as a biker skateboarder and rollerblader myself I just skate and bike where no one is I don't tend to use skate parks because I just like skating and biking alone but there are usually lots of outdoor skate parks in cities

[@mrlamptey8744]

Ecstasy came in and that changed everything.

[@yaeamin3325]

So greatly succinct - an amazing story teller. Great job Jimmy! I learned so much

[@PlayerWellKnown]

This channel just appeared in my recommendations. Really good video. I’ve just looked through your videos and some great subjects. Subbed!

[@hardingryan42]

The very first hooligans/firm's in football was Aberdeen in Aberdeen

[@Jrh-rp7np]

Maybe there is something wrong with me to be honest I’d love to go back to the terraces in the 1970s and early 80s travel around with my brothers in arms support your local club have a few beers,, a few fights,,some good laughs and then it’s back to the grind on Monday but at least you’d have something to look forward to…and have a few stories to tell

[@mickfoskett6629]

Best times of my life!🇪🇬👊👹

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

I remember a case in which a south American game ended with the fans storming the field and beheading the referee. Now that's hoolliganism.

[@numa2k147]

No that's barbaric.

[@ONIGChief]

Thats only the half story the referee stabbed a player to death in a match he officiated

[@numa2k147]

@@ONIGChief that's still different from what hooligans were supposed to be there was a whole culture. Ultras in other countries are dumb and I know since there's some in mine and it's stupid. Plain barbaric. And the ref stupid too 😅

[@asura8495]

@@ONIGChief is there a backatory to that too? why did he stab him?

[@eve-llblyat2576]

Thats something different. In german lowest leagues often memebers and players attack the referee. And not only the referee. A friend of me got beaten by a father of the opossing team when he was 14. Thats not hooligans. There are teams, lets say they are somewhat special.

[@Exsugarbabe1]

The 90s were interesting, rave culture seemed to bump into football hooliganism and gave young men something else to do.

[@pissedoff-is1mt]

Really well done mate. Excellent documentry

[@GZCon]

You deserve way more views and subscribers. Real quality content mate

[@Jay-O_Carlow]

I Have to say , Just Amazing , Truly amazing work , from the research ( getting into The psychology of it, The Subject it self ) To the retro clips , and archive news clips and headlines , I Cant imagine how much Research go's into just a 10-20min vid . But also to the editing and sound/Sound bites and the narration by your self Jimmy You have the Voice for it This is the first vid of yours iv ever seen and lol I'm fan already ... Just on this One vid alone .. Its just super rare to find this much quality & man hours has gone into this the production and omfg if you done this on your own that would be Honestly Incredible I hope Your subs go way higher ( Even tho that's a huge number ) , i just did Btw lol , But i truly hope you get something more as in you obviously have the talent for presenting but the voice for it too, a mini series on Telly be it Ch4 or BBC3 online or Ch5.. i can honestly see big things for you, i don't know how Long you are going , Again first vid of yours iv ever seen ,, And again blow away by the quality! My Bad on the long winded comment i just wanted you to know all that work , I.E What i said above does not go unnoticed LOL Not blowing smoke here just giving you credit where it is deserved imo

[@JimmyTheGiant]

Damn thank you very much brother, truly appreciate that

[@hmu05366]

The “physiology of it” ??? What do you mean

[@mikemulcahy-gf8cn]

Most hated no , hated yes , the most hated tag unfortunately will always be Skinhead.

[@alphaxalex1634]

I think without a doubt that the reason why most to all European countries see the UK (and England in particular) in a bad light is because of the football hooliganism and riots.

[@sloth-gaming]

You taking the piss? Have a look at the scenes jn recent ligue 1 games

[@lordgemini2376]

@@sloth-gaming It is an outdated stereotype. Like you say Ligue 1, Serie A, Eredivise are all worse than it is in England in the present day. But those outdated sterotypes contributes a lot to the Anglophobia we get from Europeans sadly.

[@beverleybunn5084]

Lol

[@andybliss5965]

@@lordgemini2376 they also got the "England in particular" line in. Glasgow in particular has always been worse and still is than any rivalry in England.

[@indiekiddrugpatrol3117]

@@sloth-gaming aye but in the 80s English clubs would run riot around Europe culminating in Liverpool murdering 39 Juventus fans in '85 and English clubs getting a 5 year ban from Europe

[@asl7235]

When you have nothing to live for you find something to die for.

[@ideologybot4592]

modern society will never understand this

[@Squashylemon]

Always shocks me when something like this happens and it shows 1000's of people rioting and burning and breaking and destroying property in European countries and then the death toll is like 1 or 2 people with only 80 injured.... How is that possible? More people die in a car accident than they do during a riot where a town or city is destroyed????

[@SEB1991SEB]

Considering they care so much about respect, they sure know how to make themselves look like a bunch of clowns.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

Honestly you could say the same thing about any group with uniforms. The Buckingham guards look more goofy to me than football hooligans. At least the hooligans clothing is practical.

[@SEB1991SEB]

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 I was talking about their behaviour rather than their clothes. All fashion is subjective.

[@ideologybot4592]

I don't think your respect is what they're after. They're after each other's respect.

[@sidvicious05]

They may look like clowns but you are actually a clown

[@dvened]

they care about as much as they care about the sport being played at the events they attend

[@Foxeral]

Finally! Months after the stream researching this the video is here!

[@miriambamford6513]

I'm from London and I know these hooligans doesn't only consist of frustrated youths, but people from the elite class who are super rich and well educated too. People are that much loyal to their clubs. I'm not saying I condone the violence revolving around the sport. Just saying football is more than a subculture, it's a religion here.

[@MarcRForrest]

I've ran with many mobs as well as my own and I've never met any posh types so that's bollocks mate..

[@pgf289]

@@MarcRForrest Yeah it's a fake profile they have no idea what they're talking about

[@MrSEAN2112]

That's such a great summary in just 16 minutes. Well done.

[@youknowme7797]

Love your subculture videos, with the passing of Terry Hall a video about Rudie culture would be timely.

[@FHIPrincePeter]

Rude Boy.

[@youknowme7797]

@@FHIPrincePeter well technically there's rude boys and girls but if I simply said Rude culture I didn't think that would read correctly unless you're already in the know. Also Rude Boy was coopted and changed through out the decades and became something different entire by the 2000's

[@jacksonstockbridge8920]

Just found your channel. It’s brilliant, keep up the good work!

[@joekelly9667]

Really interesting video and well researched, I’m doing my dissertation on football hooliganism and the alcohol ban and covering similar areas👍🏻

[@StalwartShinobi]

I find it brutal af to think, if the English are so violent towards eachother when it comes to football, imagine what they are like against foreigners in wars no wonder they won both

[@TwoFingeredMamma]

They didn't win both. WW2 was a war between two political ideas. National Socialism and Communism. UK was and still is controlled by Rothschild (a Communist) who owns the Bank of England. USA was and still is controlled by the Federal Reserve Bank run by Communists. Russia was controlled by the Communists (Bolsheviks). These Communists are not Christians. They are not Muslims. They are not Buddhists. They are not Sikhs. They are not Hidus. The are not Jehovahs witnesses. They are not 7th Day adventists. They are not Mormons. I'll let you guess which tribe they are from, ive eliminated the rest to make it easier for you to guess. I will not name them or this comment will dissapear down the digital dustbin, seen as they control this platform too. The media is also controlled by this same tribe and they write your fake history to hide who they are.

[@myboysd5772]

@@TwoFingeredMamma Nothing better than watching a video about football hooligans and scrolling down to see someone talking about global jewish dominance conspiracies

[@DevinJuularValentine]

I think there's a totally different psychology at play. Hooliganism is almost like a virtual reality state, low stakes environment to release repressed emotions - obviously in reality it isn't low stakes, people get hurt, but the intention is to essentially have fun and bond with other men, however dysfunctional. But war is high stakes, it's so real - the intent is to kill, the consequence of not killing is, so a soldier is to believe, to sacrifice the safety of your nation.. Evidence suggests from ww2, to the American civil war and many between, soldiers often shoot to miss (for example muskets that were loaded and loaded again, because you can't fire if you're reloading, therefore a good excuse not to be shooting, further evidence exists), with a majority of killing done by select individuals rather than spread more evenly amongst a group. Obviously DoD around the world have it in their interest to create killing machines and understand this behaviour. So a lot of effort has gone into exploring how to get people to kill with ease. A lot of this revolves around essentially breaking soldiers down, dehumanising the enemy and molding the soldier back up into what their army wants, and this sort of tactic was employed by the US in Vietnam onwards & obviously in other nations as well since. This kind of foolhardy brash violence is, I think, only possible for *most people* if they think they'll survive the encounter. It's not a deathwish at all.

[@TwoFingeredMamma]

@@myboysd5772 Aye, I guess so. Balls games are for children after all.

[@TwoFingeredMamma]

@@myboysd5772 If you want to label the truth "anti septic" lmao, be my guest. I was addressing the fool that has been brainwashed into believing England won two world wars. You can crawl back under your Talmud, till the next time your tribe needs some spell casting doing.

[@nichobee]

As a liverpool fan it always shits me when our fans get solely blamed for getting English clubs banned from Europe. The damage was already done by other clubs throughout the 80s. Hooliganism is definitely back on the rise. 20 years ago if you turned on the telly to watch football it would've been unthinkable to see a fan jump the fence and assault a player, but it's quite common now

[@TONYUK1966]

Oh look a scouser playing the victim again..

[@charlottestreet3301]

It was Liverpool fans fault when you destroyed a stadium and got England banned

[@MasterMaka]

Another great video from the legend Jimmy the 🐐

[@Osc1llateW1ldly]

in May 1985 Everton played in European cup final in Rotterdam - not a single arrest in May 1985 Liverpool played in European cup final in Brussels - 39 people dead 🤔

[@stephenefc2515]

Always the victims, its Never their fault.

[@aidanwatson3499]

Heisl was big but as the guy said, Hillsborough was really important. No standing terraces at the major clubs, all seated and getting rid of the fences. More than that the collective traumatising of the nation meant that many heard the message that enough was enough.

[@notcharlie8763]

The fact that Hillsborough got a blink and you’ll miss it mention really surprised me, kinda a huge oversight to tell this story and practically not mention it

[@awesward4454]

Imagine being an adult and taking a GAME so seriously that you are willing to injure people and destroy property.

[@notmenotme614]

Their frustrations were never about the football game, if anything the football was just a meeting point for like minded hooligans and an excuse

[@Manning0151]

"Some say Football is a matter of life and death, i assure you its much more than that" - Bill Shankly its more than a game to people

[@tommyluckhurst7367]

The standing thing in stadium was because of Hillsborough disaster which wasn’t because of hooliganism

[@HashBrownDoyler]

Can you make a video about people in South Africa murdering farmers in their country?

[@puyol8700]

As a Danish "ultra" I have to compliment this video. Very nuanced. Although football-related violence for the most part isn't as big here, aside for a few of the bigger clubs and at matches between neighboring clubs (what's known as a "derby"), it still happens. Some clubs have dedicated hooligan firms, others have more atmosphere-oriented fan groups (what we call ultras), others have both and some have no organised fan groups at all. The line between hools and ultras does get a little blurry at times though, particularly at derbies. Many people say the violence isn't about football at all; I disagree. This sentiment usually comes from people with little to no knowledge of fan culture. While it may be true for some individuals, I can assure you that football is at the center for most of those involved. The amount of hours spent in trains, busses, pubs, stadiums, etc., the thrill of a victory for your club, the disappointment over a defeat, the burning hatred for the rival club, the money spent and work put into supporting your club to me should all be enough proof that it, at its core, is centered around football and the love for the game and your club. But people don't consider any of this, as they'd rather get spoon-fed opinions by the media.

[@2kn709]

Fellow scandinavian here, ive never understood the "burning hatred" for other football clubs that football fans have. Like what is it that makes you hate the opossing club to the point where youre willing to beat the shit out of eachother? Not judging, im genuinly curious.

[@jibberism9910]

@@2kn709 for me as a Dutchy, more than 20 years back now, it was natural. Football was hatred. UEFA '88, NL - Germany semi-final. It was the good vs the bad. The Germans were no good cheats, a bad people... And we were going to teach them a lesson. It was everywhere. For me, that was football. I was 8 back then, lol. Of course, both are complete BS. It's the dumbest thing I've ever been involved in. But happy to have been there nonetheless.

[@2kn709]

@@jibberism9910 thats very interesting, thanks

[@tomc4187]

Yeah, but what people mean by saying it isn't about football is that if you hadn't glommed onto a football club as a source of violent tribal identity and a pretext to enjoy hating other people, you would have ended up with some other identification which served the same purpose, like becoming a skinhead. The fact that there's cultural overlap here goes to show the flags and colours are just a pretext for enjoying a regression into tribal identity and violence based on enforcing that tribal identity.

[@puyol8700]

@@2kn709 I can't speak on others' behalf, but when it comes to my own club and my own town, it has something to do with the fact that we were always in the shadow of our rivals. Their town used to be the regional headquaters so they had everything coming to them without even trying, all the while we had to struggle just to make a name for our selves. If we had good players, you could be certain they would go there to further their career, 'cause there was no career to be had in our town. Luckily, times have changed and we're on top now but they're still a larger club and they still live on the fact that they used to be one of the largest clubs in the country. What makes me hate them with a genuine passion is the fan base and their attitude. I'm having a rough time justifying my hatred for them, 'cause they just piss me the fuck off. Can't say we're any better though. It is what it is.

[@hashtag_thisguy]

"Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted" - gladiator. Mob mentality has always existed. Imagine there was no football and they didn't have a distraction to focus their energy on issues that have actual tangible impacts in their lives....

[@wheelman1324]

I remember an article of a Russian politician’s answer to football hooliganism: Make it a spectator sport! I’m not joking.

[@jamieoliver3262]

HAlf the buzz is turning up in another city the whole day antispation u know there looking for u your looking for them and it's fkin dangerous people get hurt

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL I've had similar ideas about war. Does an entire nation need to go to war when the leader probably started it over a late night drunken cocktail party with other leaders? How much money could be generated if we saw Zelenskyy VS Putin in an octagon? So far my buddies and I agree that that would be A MATCH but Biden VS Putin would be a joke :P

[@wheelman1324]

@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 I don’t care about Ukraine. As far as I’m concerned, Ukraine is as much a dictatorship as Russia. It just costs me money. I just want to talk about hooliganism!

[@JDDC-tq7qm]

​@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299Putin smokes Biden without laying a finger on him 😂

[@radioactivepotato2068]

War games. It wasn't so long ago that our species depended on tribalism, strength in numbers and violence. We act as though this was millions of years ago. To fight, posture, make noise, bang drums, clap hands and stamp feet is how our species protected itself against predators and other tribes throughout history and long before. Hooligan footage is amazing for observing body language.

[@DmGray]

That last point is extremely relevant. I was never a fighter (I got bullied badly enough growing up I had ALREADY have enough fights to last a lifetime) but many friends were. And they aren't bad people. Just blokes that enjoy a scrap. It's not REALLY about hurting anyone either. I remember destroying stuff with my mates as a teen just for fun, and we were all the GOOD kids (A students) I know many of my dad's mates were either hooligans or hooligan adjacent (one of my dad's best mate's was literally nicknamed "oolie" bc he was a massive hooligan) Then you look into the firms and you see mostly normal working class guys, lots of multicultural groups and a general attitude of shared identity based on your club. Goes to show how genuinely positive attributes (loyalty, bravery, brotherhood) can go EXTREMELY wrong if young men in particular are abandoned. And that is a story that repeats through history.

[@AtZero138]

My understanding comes from my place in the world, I'm 50, violent everywhere as a kid, had to, earn it, no posers and locals only b.s even if we went into other neighborhoods say to check out a record store, either we knew kids there or already stood our ground.. all nonsense but it's all true to what you said, brotherhood and honor among trusted friends.. cheers from Orange County California 🇺🇸.. Oi Oi Oi

[@TobyBooth]

13:59 dude asks “you know what I mean?” I can safely say that’s the only part of that clip I actually understood, lol. He must spit out 20 words a second

[@vex1on488]

"You sure we're gonna walk in this boozer were gonna end up getting ironed out by this little firm you know what I mean, I mean you seem sweet as but it's only early days you know what I mean I'm sure someone's gonna glass me In here you know what I mean, I'm only joking" Translated for you by an Englishman

[@TobyBooth]

@@vex1on488 fantastic, thanks! Someday my American self will be able to suss that out unassisted!

[@MamaMOB]

That was a fantastic video. Thank you.

[@ThompterSHunson]

It's a simple answer to why hooliganism exists. Deep down to our core DNA, we're still animals.

[@plymouth491]

All the inbreeding probably hasn't helped you much either.

[@archiet2205]

Football hooliganism is no longer truly present in the uk… a variety of things such as the removal of standing sections, crackdown on alcohol and laws at the matches as well as less aggressive and angry societies have all contributed to the subcultures’ disappearance.

[@jameswatson5807]

Nope it is still there they have place where they meet, and fight.

[@we5t5id3gunn]

Atmospheres have also gotten much worse here.

[@alynwillams4297]

The premier league is sanitised. The championship is getting that way but it’s not as bad. If you’re into football violence then the lower leagues is where it’s at and all so the non league. Just look Oldham v Wrexham the other month. There was about 100 lads on each side batting down a road for nearly 15 minutes.

[@archiet2205]

@@jameswatson5807 ye obviously it’s still present to an extent but nowhere near as much as it was in the 70’s/80’s. The law have cracked down on it so much that it will be virtually non existent in the next few decades

[@jameswatson5807]

@@archiet2205 You are right there was a channel 5 documentary a few years back, about football hooligan's. They are a crazy bunch they admitted even if there side wins they would still fight it out, that is why I think people are wrong it is not about football. These guys are just nuts in ways they just want to fight, they don't realise they could die from injures.

[@AbzDeen]

I’m sure it was actually aberdeen that started the whole dressing up in nice clothes as casuals, it was always skin heads in them days fighting at the football and the Aberdeen fans showed up dressed in nice casual clothes and the police wouldn’t bat and eye lid at them so other firms jumped on it too

[@sh3tpostsgamertime204]

Itll be a bit of everything.

[@oldskoolordie]

Possibly but also Liverpool playing in Europe and their fans bought and stole designer clothes from Italy could be a reason?

[@coniferclose]

ASC…. Aberdeen soccer casuals.Top mob.

[@adamw7501]

Older Aberdeen lads confirmed they saw the nice clothes etc during a match down south and started to dress similar, bringing the culture up to Scotland. They started it in Scotland

[@AbzDeen]

@@adamw7501the story I’ve always been told here is we played Liverpool and they would rob the shops , we seen the fans dressed nice when we played them and started dressing like them

[@chadgrylls5264]

"I'm just another bored male with a dead-end job, approaching 30, who lives for the weekend". Ouch.

[@DenSchimmige]

Got to break rules to have some fun. Did you ever try drugs already? 😂

[@l4zrh4wk]

Not all football fans are hooligans, but all hooligans are football fans. Let’s be real.

[@mikedowns9461]

Hmmmmn.... Policing Matchdays is especially costly when there is potential for disorder. By that logic ..if such "fans" truly cares abt their club.... Why add to stewarding etc costs with increased police presence. ?

[@antonycharnock2993]

@@mikedowns9461 Have a look at Rotherham v stoke city on boxing day. Having a family stand so close to the away end causes numerous headaches when a small group of teenage hooligans goads the away fans.