Patron's Choice | 5 Worst Ships in EVE Online

[@mostleesimian3448]

A special mention should go to the primae. Just completely useless in that it's supposed to be a niche ship for PI but is way worse for PI than the Epithal

[@Alzyan]

Primae is bae

[@stupidpruf]

my worst blow to the heart was spending all that time to train into minmatar T3D 5 only to see my favorite ship get the nerf bat harder than a news story about Jeffrey Epstein.

[@sebathadah1559]

Haha. Svipuls are gay. Fly the confessor instead.

[@n0tanameleft]

the bifrost is the greeastest

[@cheezkake4417]

me as an alpha clone that just finished the career agents *LMAO*

[@WoWisdeadtome]

It occurs to me that you could have replaced the entire review of the nighthawk with the face you made when you lost it. 14:40 for reference.

[@tealpacific7029]

I have specialized in Catalysts from the beginning, for years. And I agree with your #1! I thought as you do every time I looked at "upgrading" to that ship. And as you suggest, I prefer a Hecate. I've always been disappointed that the supposed "more advanced" form of the Catalyst was so obviously lame that I have never even gotten past "thinking" about fitting and trying one. The numbers were always wrong, every time I looked at it.

[@Space_Reptile]

"These ships suck" > Faction Variant > Faction Variant > Faction Variant > T2 BC > T2 DD i smell a theme here, CCP cant into Faction Variants

[@simvlacrvm]

faction variants were always too expensive for their performance, always outclassed by pirate ships in both.

[@jamess7140]

simvlacrvm Faction variants can get super heavy tanks though and they used to be way cheaper than the pirate ships. I think there was a point where navythrons were a quarter of the price of a vindi for example.

[@davianthule2035]

@@jamess7140 that's because the vindi was well over a billion isk, as were most pirate battleships. Population density of nullsec is higher then ever which is a huge factor in pirate faction bs prices, the low demand for pirate faction bses combined with oversupply and you have low pirate faction bs prices , the rattlesnake took 3 years to recover it's price to near a bil after goons were kicked from the north for example

[@jamess7140]

@@davianthule2035 Actually there was a point where the Vindi was over 2 billion isk following one of the alliance tournaments.

[@ikub58]

How about the top 5 least used (excluding this list)

[@seanbogaard529]

"I ran out of Nighthawks" lmao

[@Jintaan]

Got 3 fights that was the only one where I even got to shoot things lmao. One got bosoned off a gate, the other time I jumped into a fleet and got insta-popped. Not the best way I've ever spent a billion ISK gotta say.

[@seanbogaard529]

@@Jintaan o7 love your vids

[@dune102]

Ships aren't created bad, CCP nerfs them into being bad \o/

[@tealpacific7029]

I'm still mad they nerfed the drones on the Catalyst, two months after I started playing in 2012 . . .

[@flightevolution8132]

@@tealpacific7029 Because the catalyst is already overpowered. I can't even imagine what it was like with drones.

[@tealpacific7029]

@@flightevolution8132 What it was like with drones? It was fun. (But I will admit it was overpowered, and would have been re-balanced at some point later given CCP's subsequent actions in that direction.) Actually, it had fewer slots, and got two more and more power in trade for the drones--if I remember correctly. That was back in 2012.

[@diabrog]

Ahh I miss the days where everyone flew a hurricain and stabber fleet issues where the best way to solo one

[@SmallFries01]

I miss the days when a dominix could launch 10 heavy drones and nos your frigates cap dry in 15 seconds while boasting a godlike dual-rep tank.

[@cafi739]

The nighthawk bit isn't totally true. It spent a solid couple of years as the absolute king of pve and pvp to some extent, actually. In the era of the passive shield drake, the nighthawk had the single strongest passive shield tank possible in the game (excluding caps) thanks to the caldari t2 resist profile. CCP have never buffed the ship once, ever, to my recollection, and in every balance pass that had anything to do with command ships it was nerfed in some way, with the most recent one ("recent", as it was almost 9 years ago now I think) they completely fucked up it's slot layout and base ehp. Combined with the HML/HAM nerf that came after that, it was just too much. The most effective fit for the nighthawk currently is a doubleweb ham mjd armour brawler.

[@generationxpvp]

The nighthawk used to be a terror my nostalgia rolled over when it popped up on the list ...but we all saw it coming

[@gfox9295]

hey hey, that 5% HML damage buff a coupla months ago, though... :::everyone flies Navy Drakes instead::: awww...

[@MichaelJohnsonAzgard]

I saw Agony pilots control the battlefield using a couple of Eris.

[@emPtysp4ce]

A good advantage of these ships is that since no one flies them, no one recognizes them so they forget what it can do

[@Jintaan]

This is very true! You can sneak fights in that people absolutely shouldn't take :)

[@JesusGonzalez-ls5oz]

Can you say their are ships that can do multiple jobs like mining and bounty hunting or its best to buy a second ship altogether

[@leshatcatski5089]

What about the marauders? Is their main problem just being overpriced?

[@StarLiteNL]

They are quite good at high sec mission running, so they aren't totally useless.

[@alganhar1]

For PvP, all but useless, for many PvE applications they are Godly. With Marauders it all depends what you want to do with them. Take them out of PvE where they shine and you have a problem!

[@williamnicholson8133]

That and they have a role bonus for attracting cynos.

[@williamnicholson8133]

@@alganhar1 they can work well on structure defense fleets fit for super long range with a structure with dual webs . Cruise golems get ridiculous alphas on dual webbed target painted skirmishers i.e. cerbs and munins . Although a raven navy cruise doctrine can do it cheaper and with good logistics straight up delete things with 7.5k volleys from 160km away.

[@generationxpvp]

They aren't overpriced demand is still high.

[@marcustulliuscicero5443]

The Navy Geddon actually has 9.33 effective turrets. RoF bonuses go in the denominator. And together with its huge bandwidth I can actually see what CCP was going for with it. Load Conflag, drop Ogres, and melt whatever battleship-sized target is in front of you. It's just that fights usually don't work that way.

[@Mic_Glow]

Eris is so uncommon people don't know it's a dictor, and sounds like Ares on voice comms even if the scout reads it somewhat properly... Good way to land in a bubble and welp the fleet.

[@Menaiya]

I had a very large surprise fighting eris. The have no tank but can still deal a lot of damage in short order. 5 if them wrecked my brutix active.

[@christiancuneo8005]

How about all Minmatar cruisers and frigates aside from the breacher?

[@erik-martin]

I would like to point you towards the scythe fleet issue and Loki

[@WolfHreda]

I stan the Rifter and Stabber. Now and forever. They're just too fun to fly, meta or not.

[@narwahlssb]

I love my dual prop stabber fleet. They got a small bug on weapon rate of fire in the latest up date

[@JZ909]

Some contenders: The Zealot because it's completely outclassed by alternatives: - Want an armor brawler? Not enough mids. Get a Sacrilege or Deimos instead. - Want a fleet laser cruiser? Not enough tank. Fly Legions. - Want a laser kiter? Not enough speed. Use an Omen Navy. The Absolution. - Horrendous projection for a battlecruiser. - Far weaker than the Damnation in terms of raw armor. Far weaker than the Astarte and Eos in terms of rep. - Not enough mids for an acceptable dual rep solo ship. - Due to the laser ROF bonus eating up all the cap, the laser cap usage bonus is redundant with the cap booster you will almost certainly have to fit.

[@chris2746]

Might need to reexamine the combat interceptors since ccp just buffed them today

[@Drazer012]

What about the bellicose, i dont think ive seen one in years

[@stupidpruf]

the Belliclose is def my favorite turd. i make tones of em for shit-fit fun romes

[@vergard3689]

are you overshooting the cynabal on purpose to make a point for this video? a bit of manual piloting would have made that engagement go alot smoother :) also love the vids keep up the good work

[@jakemills7835]

I sat screaming "BRUHHHHH BRRUUUUUUH WHAT THE FUCK" during that fight.

[@si2foo]

it still surprises me that Eve is still going strong. I personally never could get deeply into it mostly because I never had any real goal's like there wasn't anything I was trying to do because I didn't know the game well enough to know. Like the only thing i did when i played was mine alot of ore because it was peaceful

[@tealpacific7029]

It depends what you like in a game. Eve isn't perfect, but it has its strengths. Viable variety of play is the main one. I am always surprised watching these videos what other people find fun, and will keep at. Compare this to games that force you to do stuff one way. I'm thinking about you, Perfect World {shudder}, even if you aren't a space game. Some of my worst moments in gaming were the ones where someone ran up to me and said, "Hey, you are wearing the wrong hat for your level. You need to .....blah blah." No one does that to me in Eve. In fact, some of my best moments were in Eve where I got to be a hero, and people have asked, "Why did you do that? You could have easily wasted me and took my stuff." or "Why did you come help me, there was nothing in it for you." And I'm like, "Because that's the way I roll." The sandbox lets people's real character come out.

[@si2foo]

@@tealpacific7029 you see I never got that far I played for less then a month and pretty much the whole time i spent mining like hell and getting skills that let me mine more because i found it relaxing and peaceful to mine. but well I got bored when I reached my goal of getting whatever the 3 mining laser boat is

[@davideidolon927]

@@si2foo If you try again, join a corp. There's a lot of good new player friendly ones, and they will give you things to do, and some direction for what to look forwards to, beyond just mining for its own sake

[@si2foo]

@@davideidolon927 You see I found the Hud so confusing when i was playing that I didn't even know how to look for a corp.

[@rubenbuckens399]

@@si2foo forget the HUD go out of eve and look on r/evejobs or ask a bit around (not in newbie starter systems too high a chance you'll get a shit corp). There could be other ways like if you go into nullsec there are the big blob newbie corps and if you wanna join one of those you don't have to search that far like somebody probably can give you a list of like standard newbie corps. otherwise just venture out and see who you meet.

[@randaldavis8976]

makes my score of a nighthawk dropped from the destruction of the rage wh keepstar a boobie prize ! I haven't flown it much, but it was a loot fairy drop.

[@ollieoshoe2799]

intelligent,interesting,useful....wanted more great video and insight in eve ships ..subscribed and will follow thanks..do you have a corps?

[@iondustt]

What you are forgeting about Armageddon Navy Issue is that it has 8 high slots as well as 8 low slots while having the biggest cargo hold of any subcapital. That means it's the best ship for alpha clone high-sec mining.

[@Jintaan]

lmfao okay this got me

[@TheGerrok]

I'm mostly a PvE player, but I'm going to nit pick on your geddon navy numbers. The effective turrets on the geddon navy is 7/.75 = 9.3 instead of 8.75. The geddon navy is more efficient in damage/GJ than the abaddon as well. If x is the damage you get per GJ then the abaddon has 1.35x, where the geddon navy is x/.5 = 2x. The geddon navy is tight on fittings like you said. The other problem is that the niche it has is tiny. Both the bhaalgorn and nightmare have the marauder 100% damage bonus, which gives them a hidden 100% activation cost bonus in addition to giving them extra slots to fit with. The apoc and apoc navy both out range it, which allows them to use higher damage lenses to keep pace in dps. The abaddon, like you said, has crazy high damage. Honestly you could've just made the video about any of the navy faction ships. It's easier to pick out the ones that aren't trash.

[@TheAnon03]

I theory crafted a use for the Nighthawk as a frig trap in Wolf Rayet systems but I burned out and stopped playing before I got around to testing it out.

[@ShionWinkler]

idk, my list would have been more, 5. Drake 4. Nidhoggur 3. Phoenix 2. any Indy ship 1. did I mention the Phoenix? Seeing how if your getting into a Dread fleet and have a choice between a Phoenix and a Frigate, the FC will ask you to being the Frig.

[@jamess7140]

Brutix unless it’s been buffed since I last played was hands down terrible unless you were able to drop it directly on top of the enemy in a blaster fit

[@dusttodust915]

Well in a rather weird way corvettes are probably among the best do to the simple fact you never have to pay for them nor do you have to travel any real length of distance to get one just go to any station and it'll be there. Well that's my take on it. Granted you'll probably never tank in in any security mission or rat in one but at least you'll always have a ship in hand.

[@duranpredur1098]

I don't understand why you say that the GNI's role is ECM and that he fails at it. To me it is, like all the others faction ewar bonused frigate, a ship meant to thrive in solo or small gang by throwing odd ewar bonuses at low prices and skill level. I mean, how a ship that can not apply its ECMs/TDs over 10km, while yielding the DPS of an AF can be considered as an Ewar platform?

[@kylexie6024]

because nowadays ECM does not prevent the target from locking you, it only prevents the target locking others. So this bonus just does not work anymore.

[@duranpredur1098]

@@kylexie6024 Woops, i forgot this...

[@amenofuri1154]

I had a very good time flying a nighthawk long before the visual update

[@terryd8692]

Nighthawk was great what it was a black ferox. Massive active tank with insane resists.

[@alexgoddard1746]

itty 5, main role is getting noobs killed

[@manolinelamo8]

Look for one called Primae XD

[@bravo23yearsagoand63]

There is no best or worst ship in eve, it all depend on the type pf aircraft, equiptment, booster, implant to use along with the ship and still someone out there will have some build and skills to defeat you. And in larga scale battle when there is more than 50 ships involved, the leader command to attack or retreat is critical points

[@shalaconballard6149]

Well after playing EVE online now for over a year I find it not the ships that are bad but CCP and there unwillingness to get off there lazy asses and fix the bugs in the game . Its like with my account ever sense the Tryglavian up grade None of my ships are any good at PVE or PVP its like they have no armor and no shields for instance I lost a Abbadon Battleship to 2 frigates , CCP replaced the ship after I reported what had happened but all in all they just made excuses on why it happened . The level of this game is so far behind its no wounder that its dieing the level it is at now is where it should have been way back in 2006 .

[@alpha-0874]

That feel when your favorite ship is the second worst.

[@BlueEyesGaming]

REEEEEE first one is stabber fleet!? While i DO agree its been kinda power-creeped into less-than-strong status. honestly i just dont see it as being one of the top 5 worst.. Dual prop gives you a huge engagement profile. good fitting, tracking bonus (i'll come back to this) and good price/cost. as for the tracking bonus. stabber fleet can pull off a very surprising and memey fit, my personal favourite fit atm. 720 arty fit. it cant 1 shot. it breaks that one rule of arty. needing 4k volley. it doesnt get that. instead its a hull that goes 4k. with tracking bonus'd 720's. i fuck with ramjags with this fit, its good fun! The stabber fleet IS a good ship, in almost any way it CAN be, is a shame the cynabal is edging it out more and more nowadays. but it DEFINITELY would not be on my personal top 5 Also. combat ceptors aint shit, raptor and taranis can FUCK, SHIT, UP. and comparing them to fleet ceptors is honestly kinda silly. Your comparing them to a "class" with one job. TACKLE. thats it. of course there's gonna be a stiletto on damn near every killmail, especially nowdays with abyssals making bling points/scrams even easier to access. Their now a faster assault frigate platform, lacking somewhat for sure since the asscontrol came out. they were NEVER the tackle platform. so while they have definitly dropped off in kills compared to tackeceptors. your comparing apples to oranges. their probloem has really just been powercreep, but even with it they can still hang. the problem is, why fly a raptor/taranis/claw, when you could just fly a kikimora or even retri and just wipe out the same targets, and more?? Again. not on my personal top 5. they are a damn good class, people just need to get over that they dont get nullification anymore, and they got powercreeped on as well, but are still a damn good platform i ABSOLUTELY agree with nighthawk and armageddon navy. but eris? man that thing is the best memeboat around.. ok maybe its a bit shit too.. but... ma memes... :( my replacements for the stabber fleet and combat ceptors. Crusader and apoc. Crusader was shit even before the nullification removal, claw was the fleet boat, taranis was the "i wanna go big game hunting" ship, and the raptor was the 1v1 "king" of combat ceptors. the others can easily do well without nullification, crusader was shit WITH it. and the apoc. for laser fleet boats. you take an abbadon. or arty fleet boats even.. it pretty much has no role outside of that. and its not particularly good at it. of course. thats just my obnoxious opinion. i love the video as always jin!

[@apandelescu]

I would say that the price/usefulness is also a metric and the stFI kinda fails at that - it's a worse cynabal, or a slightly better stabber but the price tag makes it not worth it.

[@BlueEyesGaming]

@@apandelescu Ehh, i disagree there. tbh i find it more worth than the cynabal in price/usefulness.. is it AS good? No. but its also alot cheaper. at 1/3 the cost. And its DEFINITLY not just a "Slighlty better stabber" regular stabber suffers from cap issues. damage issues, or tank issues, or 2 of the 3. stabber fleet gets away with it. if you want a roaming ship, that can engage anything from frigates to occasionally battleships (yes. i took on a PVP fit raven in a stabber fleet, i won, but only with help from someone in an omen navy), A ship that doesnt cost over 100mill, is fun to learn and fly, is adaptable and can forgive piloting errors. Stabber fleet is FAR better than anyone remembers. also a bonus point to it for that ;)

[@generationxpvp]

It's cheaper than the cyn and can be played AS WELL by an experienced pilot. Stabber is not useless by any means.

[@govikes005]

SFI owns jin.. Spot on the rest though. 10/10 video again m8.

[@Jintaan]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the content

[@elita2cents]

What's an Eris?? - The Catalyst would be a better Eris and even costs 79 million less than an Eris lol. But yeah I agree the Armageddon Navy is very bad and the Carcal Navy Issue is looking for a role and HAM's for application.. However you can already do 780dps with heavy missiles and 1300+ dps with the Nighthawk (I'll send you the fit on Tranquility) but yes she does need mobility, like a lot of mobility. You kinda forgot to mention the tempest navy issue due to the regular tempest doing more damage for less than half the cost of the tempest navy.

[@Jintaan]

The Tempest Fleet is probably the best/second best faction battleship, and is something I’ve fought against a great deal of times. It might lack that extra damage bonus, but honestly, it doesn’t need it to be viable.

[@elita2cents]

@@Jintaan Jin, I didn't say the fleet tempest was bad, I said the regular one does more damage for less isk. If you remember the fleet tempest is supposed to be the improvement.

[@irrelevantirrelevant2965]

There's only one thing the eris does better than the other dictors (aside from name tank - I've switched from pronouncing it properly to enunciating just the letter e than -ris), and that's 50mn memes. you could just use a combat prober for anything that's useful for, and one BS volley will bring it down, but it can launch a bubble and be out of it in around the same tick which is funny and idk maybe if you need spaced bubbles RIGHT NOW.

[@benkraft8404]

i can totally agree with that lineup, unless they give the combat ceptors like 600 dps noones gonna use that....

[@DEATHHUNTER32123]

Why dose everyone say 2 of the ships he talks about in this video wrong them being the hecate and the abaddon . The abaddon is a religious name for a demon spoken as ( ab-ah-don) and the hecate being a Japanese name spoken as (he-car-tay) yes its murder of how its spelt but it's how its pronounced

[@Jintaan]

You’re wrong on the Hecate, which is actually a Greek god associated with three forms (like the three modes of a T3D), and is pronounced HEK-UH-TAE

[@gfox9295]

Yeah, like Jin said... Hecate isn't Japanese, it's greek. but as I just said in another thread here, I pronounce it as if it was Japanese, which ends up being just about the same pronunciation as Jin just said for the Greek goddess.

[@Chazie_]

I pronounce the Hecate as “oh fuck” as it turns up when I’m lowsec belt ratting in my alpha corm

[@mmoarchives2542]

the only ships that ppl thinks is shit are just people that doesn't know how to use them as intended, it's really what skills you have, what you want to use it for, and whether the ship bonuses supports the function you want to use it for

[@PvtMartin78]

The vengeance is a trash fire after the patch.

[@uristmcdwarfington8863]

The speed nerf was a typo from CCP. A dev confirmed it literally an hour after it was posted on r/eve.

[@StarLiteNL]

It was already trash before the patch 😆

[@clankplusm]

counterpoint to combat vs fleet interceptors: bubbles don't exist in lowsec.

[@mariabeatrizsaraivanogueir4900]

worts ships in eve online is a very good documentary

[@BrouwerVids]

No eve vegas discussion video ?

[@Jintaan]

Haven't had time to watch it all - I work on the weekends, and wanted to get this piece done before the month ends!

[@ASMR_News]

To be fair, CCP hasn't even uploaded anything but the day 1 keynote and their new trailer.

[@Zeke2552]

I have to agree with this list especially combat interceptors. When they had the nullify bonus they were regularly used as psuedo assault frigates and did well because of the additional combat bonuses over fleet interceptors but now there's no point to them for the reasons you outlined. I'm sad to see the Fleet Stabber make the list I used to love that ship but power creep is a bitch. Only thing I'd really change on this list is an honorable mention to most laser based platforms cruiser and up. Some can be decent but between damage lock, cap warfare being so common, and especially the cost of other options.. just seems many don't really have a place anymore. Though frigate and destroyer hulls seem to still have a strong presence in the meta.

[@KarlRosner]

I wish drakes were just better, I think they are kind of super cool but they feel too slow.

[@chaosakazero]

They were good and the goto ship years ago.

[@KarlRosner]

@@chaosakazero For sure, that was back when entire fleets of them would darken the sky. It's one of the reasons why I don't think it's seen any kind of re-balancing towards PVP, the memory of them is too strong. The funny thing is that Caracals have kind of taken up that mantle, their RLM builds did so much damage they got RLM nerfed. The current drake is a great t3 mission runner and can be okayish at nulsec ratting. Vexor is just better at that though. It's real tough too, it takes a while for it's tank to crack but it cant really catch stuff. That and heavy missiles are kind of meh, which makes for a ship that cant tackle, and doesn't do great burst DPS even if it can prop-mod into range. They did flash a drake photo in the 'lets balance stuff' photo montage during eve Vegas so that's a good sign. Fingers crossed!

[@vergard3689]

@@KarlRosner dont you mean drake'n the sky? you can miss the opportunity to drop a pun when you have it, also can i bring my drake?

[@chaosakazero]

@@KarlRosner Heavy missles used to have a much longer range with maxed skills then they do now most times you had to get into max locking range to even use your missles as the missles used to go 10-30km past your targrting range. Drake was the best for EHP and dps to cost ratio . Other outcome with Drake fleet enemy ran out of ammo .

[@gfox9295]

5% HML damage buff means... the Drake is back, baby!

[@MrDaishee]

BS are not really that what a BS must be , so Marauder net a big update so much more slots und bonus need as every BS.

[@arthurreitz9540]

From Stabber to Muninn

[@phantasticgame1189]

the EOS. i heard it sucks so bad i want to see you try that one out

[@chrisboucher1987]

"Various shades of poop." Great quote

[@watchingwolf8092]

Look Taipan frigate spécial édition and collection édition 900 000 000 for only 1 Taipan frigate.

[@leshatcatski5089]

worstplayerever (aka Lussy Lou) just released a nighthawk video, you may want to check it out if you didn't already, even though it is in Russian...

[@CakeFine]

You forgot the Widow

[@chaosakazero]

What ship is that ? (I know what it is but choose to forget)

[@mhtsaklas]

@@chaosakazero Caldari blackops battleship with the ECM bonus of the scorpion.

[@АлександрБеседин-т1в]

Maybe, but we lose fight against Widow included drop in wormhole.

[@shadowfox1609]

dude the widow is good tf u talking about

[@shadowfox1609]

@@mhtsaklas wong its ecm bonuses are much stronger than the scorps u get skill bonuses for ecm skills ship skill bonuses aka u can perma jam ppl

[@FirstNameLastName-okayyoutube]

why doesnt ccp give ships something like 1.4% powergrid in the roll bonus??. not saying they design it for a specific fit, but even if that ends up being the case it is better than being worthless or even a mistake to fit the ship at all

[@gfox9295]

why would they need to waste a role bonus on extra PG? Just change the default PG in the ship traits themselves.

[@raideurng2508]

Love how the Eris is now possibly the best dictor.

[@edwinkjellzahn]

The Sabre and possibly Flycatcher still beat it.

[@raideurng2508]

@@edwinkjellzahn Eris has more EHP, faster, and more DPS than a sabre now.. Check it out.

[@edwinkjellzahn]

@@raideurng2508 Shit, you’re right. I might as well get one I’m skilling into a Magus and Hecate anyways.

[@edwinkjellzahn]

@@raideurng2508 My fit has more HP, Speed, and triple the DPS of my Sabre. That’s with a 400mm plate, 2 overdrives, and Ion blasters.

[@jdom503]

Bhal isn't all that great considering I use to wreck them with them having faction fitted in my nuet and double armor fitter geddon. Also my wh geddon fitted with torps is just too damn good and made many damn good ships gtfo while guarding exits so work can be done in peace for others.

[@Jento]

You should smack the shit out of yourself. The Bhaal is a wrecking machine... A king among battleships.

[@RandoGrunt]

I too had to take a double take over the mention of the Bhaalgorn being bad. I'm like "YOU AIN'T DOIN' IT RIGHT SON!"

[@kirkgould5075]

chocolate teapot sounds delicious

[@GamingAwesomness8192]

Why do you pronounce it like "Heh-cuh-tay?"

[@Pondimus_Maximus]

GamingAwesomness8192 It’s Greek. That’s how it’s pronounced. 🖖😀

[@0Defensor0]

@@Pondimus_Maximus Is it really? Or is it just how English speakers often fail to pronounce foreign words?

[@Pondimus_Maximus]

Balázs Makai It’s the truth!

[@gfox9295]

I say Heh-cah-tay, close enough. Interesting thing about Greek, from what I hear... the way the ancient Greeks pronounced a lot of words is different from how modern Greeks do, so... there's no way to be completely accurate. But when pronouncing something from Greek mythology, one should go with the ancient pronunciation (if known). I lived in Japan for 3 years as a kid, and Japanese has pretty simple consonent-vowel syllables, IOW compared to English, almost everything is Cv cv cv cv, etc. Kawasaki. Ka wa sa ki. Like that. So to me, Hecate is almost a Japanese-seeming Greek word, and He ca te is just the easiest way to pronounce it to me. :::shrugs:::

[@HammerFell-]

Wait your CVA?

[@Jintaan]

No I'm in Trigger Happy

[@HammerFell-]

@@Jintaan lol

[@valiuskreal7581]

Enforcer ?

[@Jintaan]

The Enforcer (and all Concord Blops/Recon/etc.) was made deliberately bad to ward off P2W accusations due to how they were handed out (at RL events).

[@luckylokee]

Jin'taan here i am liking Marshal shape, but still conflicted about it performance...

[@shadowfox1609]

@@Jintaan hey the pacifier is fun i use it for exploration and scramming tho the bb is 100% shit

[@theobjectivistdollar9485]

>Worse ways to spend your isk I mean, I would say PVP but that's what you waste it on anyway.

[@Jintaan]

Money you enjoy wasting wasn’t wasted. Flying the Nighthawk was about as fun as getting kicked in the shins.

[@sebathadah1559]

In defense of the nighthawk....its defense if fitted for PVE is pretty good. But it is outclassed by the tengu. So...yeah its fucking garbage.

[@Jaiissica]

The Hyperspacial Optimiser is the single only reason to fly a Proteus... it's hunting god mode engaged. Sub-par... Oh dear.

[@Jintaan]

Wake Limiter was 10x better change my mind, you can’t.

[@Jaiissica]

@@Jintaan Of course I can :) The #1 difficulty of roaming for ratters isn't killing them when you catch them, it's catching one in the first place. A hyperspatial optimised Proteus, with use of a clone, can be configured to warp 10au and align in under 3 seconds, while maintaining sufficient damage and tank to chew up a gila or a domi. A different fit can infinitely tank a carrier in the cyno/tackle role. Wake limiter is better *if you want to fight someone*. It isn't if you want to force pvp on someone who doesn't want it.

[@stephenlyon1358]

Why does this guy have an american flag in his bedroom?

[@cr4zyj4ck]

'Murica.

[@stefanfyhn4668]

@@cr4zyj4ck he's british

[@RedJive-jx8hh]

Jin'Taan: sounds Asian Jin'Taan KZbin profile: looks(sorta?) Asian Jin'Taan himself: looks English No offense

[@stuh4645]

Ccp need to just remove some ships from the game!

[@thesollylama130]

Deimos. I dont even know what makes them so bad but I can count on one hand the number of them I have seen in active use in the 9 years I've played Eve Online.

[@jdom503]

Check out Bexter Trent. Hes pretty good in it

[@gfox9295]

PVP-wise, they're pretty confined to brawling and they Die the most. ;D I actually use 3 for doing Talos Base Burner missions. Not much use in PVE aside from that that I've found.

[@kickassv8]

Oh gawd. CCP is going to watch this. Then decide to rework these ships. Then you will have to make another video of bad ships.

[@Jintaan]

Hahaha, CCP doing balance work! That’ll be the day!

[@ongogablogian2525]

that's the whole point

[@HilarityBribo]

Best Gallente Ships anyone? I've dedicated all my skills into these.

[@gfox9295]

Ishtar, Eos, Domi, Myrm, Vexor... Kronos can be fun. Sin seems pretty good at killing things, Blops is the last thing I haven't trained into in subcapland, so I wouldn't know personally yet. ;) Oh, and it's not Gallente but it'll use your skills from training for Gallente... the Vindicator, and Vigilant, and Daredevil. Dem Serp ships.

[@fruit.8302]

Pengu's brother.

[@koneeche]

heeeeeeyy, the proteus isn't THAAAT bad.

[@erik-martin]

Has a few use cases but it certainly isn't the beast it was before the t3 nerf.

[@gfox9295]

Still see plenty of them in WH space from peops who want to use their old Prots... but you'll see way more Lokis these days... and a few Legions... and lots of PVE Tengu, ofc.

if the only use u give for the ships is pvp, sure why not

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

Jorge Constâncio He knows not of pve or anything else than pvp.

[@thestateofdk]

Dragoon. Hands down.

[@corvuscorax9028]

zephyr

[@corvuscorax9028]

i still don't know why they make that ship

[@samuelslade7249]

I hope the Eos goes on this list. It needs a mid slot and more fitting space.

[@evilways961]

The simple fact is they added too many IWIN Buttons to the game... all of which cannot even be countered. This is bad game play design, short and simple... and worst of all.. they just keep overpowering the bad game play.... it only goes in one direction..... more powerful IWIN Buttons. You do not have enough slots on any ship to counter everything... so you are always hit with an IWIN Button at some point.

[@anapolloguize8294]

I'm curios as to what you consider an iwin button- I cannot think of any module that doesn't have counter play to some extent so i'm genuinely interested.

[@alganhar1]

@@anapolloguize8294 By the sound of him, anything that can kill him = an IWIN button..... The fact that choosing your engagements is one of the most useful skills to learn in Eve seems to have passed him by, instead one has to have enough slots to be able to meet *every* possible engagement variable, rather than working with your ships strengths and minimising its weaknesses to make the engagement work in your favour.....

[@JZ909]

@@anapolloguize8294 I can think of one IWIN button: A cyno.

[@Unique_Racing]

Just started playing yesterday 😂 think the ship I got is a Marlin corvette or something like that 🤣

[@DFX2KX]

if you're playing as Caldari, then yes, it'd be the Marlin.

[@TheGUARDIANOFFOR]

Lol mine proteus owned ass of several fleets all of them cryed it shud be nerfed.... and it wasnt even max fitted if 8500 dps tank 100+ unlimited cap recharge even when full reping and propmoding 60% CAP neut resist 1200 speed and 2200 oveheated whit 700 dps 7.5 warp speed able to catch basicli anything on its own look to you ass ussles then you fuking suck at fitting proteus This shit can tanked 3 carriers on gate like nothing and laught to theyr face it can tank super or HAW dread easi. Only way to stop it is bring more people to dps 15+ or use HEAVY NEUT CURSE / BALGHORN to and even then it will last minutes before it die. Its T3 you can fit it how ever you want its still be OP as shit

[@generationxpvp]

Your right. Proteus can be played well. As can better ships.

[@splant316]

Is he in a bath robe?

[@shadowfox1609]

you know most of the ships you mentioned being bad are actually really good if you know how to use them I say it's a problem with the pilot not the ship. all bad pilots blame the ships for failing not themselves

[@theshi3152]

lol nice house coat

[@alistairbolden6340]

I do not agree with your list at all.

[@mariabeatrizsaraivanogueir4900]

good video

[@garthmacleod]

I love my shitty Eris!

[@anapolloguize8294]

5: Typhoon Fleet issue 4: Vigil 3: Scorpion navy issue 2: Corax 1: Cruor Honourable mentions: Arbitrator, The damavik is also still useless, all marauders- actually, ALL Battleships in general- Untill they get a cargo buff so they have staying power on a grid they remain worse than a lot of cruisers- especially t2's. Also: Faction Dessy's when? Imperial Navy coercer ccplz

[@SirensLament]

although minor and maybe in case of the Corax not its intended role but, the Vigil is still used in fleet for low-sp toons as target painters, and the Corax is used as a defender missile platform to counter bombing runs :)

[@shadowfox1609]

all marauders are good if your not shit at fitting ships

[@anapolloguize8294]

@@shadowfox1609 that's true as long as you have cap boosters, so increase the cargo bay size and I'm happy- all this being pvp in mind fyi. they are supposed to have staying power, yet that one constraint limits their potential staying power too dramatically for me to chose to field one over something more disposable

[@gfox9295]

all BSes (besides marauders... and maybe blops?) got that cargo buff you mentioned... like a month after your post or so?

[@larslake]

There's not a bad or worse ship in EvE just bad FCs.

[@Drazer012]

uhhhhh n o

[@slimj091]

But I thought every ship is useful in EVE.

[@williamnicholson8133]

Sunesis is bad

[@AWPtical800]

Meh, the Sunesis has a role: market taxi. Ludicrously fast align time and large cargo hold for its class makes it great for small trips to Jita and back. Not its intended role, admittedly, but I like mine.

[@treverlawrence5183]

I hope you're listening you guys said CCP I know you have all stepped into a position to where your predecessors have granted you great roles but you have failed at your new job to create good content for people that have been playing this game for over 15 years

[@mollymillions5438]

Maller.

[@Cannulae]

GF!

[@garra1223]

You look like you haven't slept in weeks lol

[@frankspringby4779]

i played eve for 13 years. i quit for obvious reasons. only noobs left now, doing youtubes like this.

[@shadowfox1609]

huh there are still tons of ppl that probbly played longer than you in the game it still has around 20-80k ppl online all the time