Red Tiger / White Tiger with Pyzel

The story behind a couple of boards built for speed in smaller to average waves. One of them is floating somewhere in the Pacific Ocean unfortunately. If someone finds it, @PyzelSurfboardsInternational is offering a reward.

[@cc_das_me]

When John’s “small waves” are better than a solid day at your local.. 😂

[@alden3105]

Shit man, you made me laugh 😂 so true.

[@bsmbB]

Lol lucky we live hawaii

[@SolsaRock]

The most true comment I’ve ever seen

[@thomassawicki2065]

Pyzel and JJF make a great surfboard design team. Pyzel the sculptor, Florence the test rider. Those Tiger boards are functional looking. JJ surfs them good.

[@killbill5486]

After 20 years riding only 5'10"-6'2" I got talked into buying a used 5'6" hybrid performance fish and it was the funnest board I've ever had, and I've tried a LOT of boards in my life.

[@Jack9N]

I broke my back, used performance fish with trailer fin to get through recovery and never got off it, I want a little round tail or rounded sq same Dims see how it goes on backhand. Without a middle fin I find performance fish still a little boggy on backhand, probs just me tho. Forehand it goes amazing

[@vznquest]

Which model

[@killbill5486]

@@vznquest a TPatterson custom quad. 5'6"×20"×2.44". Best board ever.

[@Akooks]

I’m 6’1” and used to ride a Machado CI 5’4” fish. So much fun, but the only downside was that it had LokBox and those popped right out of the glass from turning. I got a disco 5’4” and a gremlin 5’7”. Super fun for small waves. Never too tall for small boards.

[@stevehix1656]

The guy that got sprayed paddling out,that was the highlight of his Surf experience. I almost got ran over by JJF😂 awesome feedback on boards

[@maskedburritow]

I like how JJ says head high lowers like it’s some regular occurrence 😂. That’s a ‘good day’ board in SoCal. IMO, Pyzel boards are made for everyday Hawaii waves and ‘good’ SoCal days.

[@JJMcCubbing]

Wrong

[@noexpectations17]

Small wind swell waves at Rockys, Ehukai, Off the Wall, etc, still have some push. But these boards are gonna work on tour for JJF.

[@elimonks]

So true

[@wesleychapman9001]

I'd say the same about my Pyzalian 2. Super fun board but much more of a performance board to me than just a daily driver.

[@stevenolveraaa]

I agree tbh. I surfed my buddies board since I ride for my shop…so it’s been a while since I have had a “normal” board. Long story short it was so obvious that this is not a surfboard made for socal

[@curtisreynolds7708]

With out a doubt John Florence is the best Rider Pyzel has ever had on his Team together they bring surfing to a new level

[@jblo76]

Thank you Captain Obvious :)

[@heyman8820]

He would be the best rider on any team.

[@Akooks]

I’m 6’1”, 165lbs. Just picked up a 5’7” gremlin 3 fin setup. So sick, one of my favorite small wave boards. Can get so much pop and flies through flat sections like no other.

[@nottherealChickenJoe]

Sounds similar to a lot of Dan Mann boards: Flat rocker, wider tail, strong V/double concave between the Fins and a flip in the tail. So this board should be really fun…

[@foxgd9117]

Most of these have continuous rocker so they perform better than Dan Manns shape in more pocketsy surf

[@scottburrow8717]

Loving the color in your line up. Keep it coming.

[@josephluker5374]

How has Pyzel just managed to trick John into riding the Pyzalien by giving it a cool name. hehe

[@foxgd9117]

Like the pyzalien wasn’t cool enough.

[@chrisculpen9205]

Yeew thanks for the shout out. Love my job. 😻🚩

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

we couldn't do it without y0u Culpey

[@imthe619er]

John makes everything look good. But that board does look sick!

[@kahlodouglas2629]

Hi John John , just doing what you asked, and this is me "calling" you. Loved the video. Cheers from South Africa.

[@Bryan-jd7os]

"Fast is fun"!!! Been saying this for years! If you can generate speed, the rest will come!

[@beachthor1]

John could ride a hand carved piece of plywood, make it look good, and ppl would buy them.

[@DaRealBaz]

Just got a 6'4 Red Tiger, surfed it in SoCal today and it held its ground. Was super easy to catch waves and the size/ liters helped with duck diving and catching the sets. Surfline said 10-15ft. other people rode 6'6s+, I had way more fun and could do what you wanna do in heavier surf. I highly recommend. I'm 5'9 195.

[@hman7236]

The new Odd Couple. Nice show guys the Red Tiger sounds to scary for me ill talke the Pink Kooky Cat 🐈 board for me.

[@zapsymc]

nice! been looking for a red puzzle thx for the vid and tipz!!❤❤😂😂😂much love brotha🤘🤘

[@sMVshortMusicVideos]

That short chunky board looks fun.

[@vznquest]

i could listen to john & pyzel talk board design all day

[@cwr8618]

wat

[@damieng2169]

great video, love the format 🤙 What are the sizes of you're boards here?

[@birdzbeeztreez4248]

That's a Great Pat O' Connel Pyzel!!! Love the Artwork of Pyzel saying NO!!

[@davidhernandez9985]

Right of the base Pyzelscurfin-🏄🏻‍♀, so sweet, J.J.🤙🏼!

[@louisbush4827]

Love the tail kick!!

[@TaranakiGreenfields]

YUS! Loved watching this

[@alikajohnson9250]

Poor Pyzel, nobody listens to turtle lol. If you made a NO! Pyzel shirt or sticker that would be awesome

[@damadafknrio]

Interesting. Deep double barrels are cool. Bob Mitsven cuts some really good ones into his gliders. They're like butter.

[@TylerFriesen123]

Already ordered a red tiger in dark arts! I got to hold a broken one in the shop in Hawaii. It looks and feels super fun!

[@brianfleming1310]

Hey Tyler, How do you like the Red Tiger? I have a Pyzalien 2. Love it but thinking of grabbing a Red Tiger. Thinking it will paddle better too.

[@huonbyrne-ockerby852]

Is the red tiger good?

[@surfcoach]

Most pyzel board have the widepoint so far forward that the average surfer has a hard time keeping the speed on them. Made for and tested in the Hawaiian waves which are one of the most powerful on earth.

[@wetcameras]

I saw someone at tawharanui (New Zealand) this weekend with the lost board!!!

[@kitemuriwainz9819]

No way!! For sure??? Some lucky bugger. Busiest I've ever seen Tawh. Haha

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

i would love to see if that is the missing board!!

[@andres-vx1mm]

awesome content

[@Seadog22-]

Wow what a fun board he’s ripping it yo 🤟

[@WM4NZ4]

Great video, best surfer excellent shaper, all about our favorite toys...this is the marketing thing we enjoy to consume

[@asyouratty13]

The new comedy team of Pyzel & JJF....

[@JudeReger]

Such a sick fun board matter a fact I need to go order my first fiberglass surfboard

[@WS_00]

😂

[@kobypascall9612]

Hi John, do you still ride the shadow ever for pumping beach breaks like snapper or somewhere?

[@sandyfootwell]

Out of curiosity did you try any of the many variations as a thumb/round tail?

[@alexmoskowitz4025]

I'll take the 5'11 v1! Thanks brah you the man

[@Knqt]

Rode the white tiger at a surf demo. It is hard because of the thickness.

[@cwr8618]

what does - it is hard - mean? Like turning? airs?

[@rzadigi]

Both of those look sick. What’s the difference between the white tiger and the mini ghost? The outlines look pretty similar.

[@bryan_garrick_little]

I was also wondering that 🤔

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

Those 2 boards are not similar in any way really. The WT has very flat rocker, lots of Vee in the tail, and a much wider outline than the Mini Ghost. The only thing that is the same between them is that they both have a beak nose.

[@PhillipTritthart]

Hi guys! As a Riversurfboard-Shaper I was wondering about the side Fin position: how and why would moving the fins forward result in more drive?

[@igenesisvt8818]

I would imagine it reduces turbulence near the fins, giving the flow of water more distance to develop more laminar flow as it reaches the back fin

[@ajj4483]

Just bs how well John surfs in small waves. I don’t think I’ve ever seen more water displaced on some of those turns 😳

[@arashjohn]

Which board works better in 4-6 ft punchier waves. I see JJ getting covered in some waves, is it realistic to get one of these boards with that thought in mind?

[@Kaimito]

another amazing one John!

[@user-ss8fx6jt6l]

If I had to just pick one which would yall reccomend?

[@markrizkallah7067]

the board goes great in little wavessss....5 ft overhead barrel. ya in cali thats a big day

[@acanales9436]

please answer the questions of the other participants regarding the relationship of the gremling and the phantom with these two novelties

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

The new boards (RT and WT) may appear similar to Phantom and Gremlin when you only compare outlines, but they are very different in all other regards. Questions like yours are not uncommon, and the exact answer is hard to find- but basically they are simply different and they will feel different when you ride them. It's also not easy for me to explain exactly what they DO feel like, since everyone experiences boards in different ways. All I can truly tell you is that they both very fast, and that most likely you will have a good time riding them.

[@cwr8618]

What's the difference between the White Tiger, Gremlin, and Mini Ghost Squash? All these small wave boards starting to look identical

[@louisbush4827]

Is that the same or really similar bottom profile to the wild cat hence the name? Curious.

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

Not at all. I actually just called the first ones White Tigers for fun, but the name stuck and then John John thought naming the new one the Red Tiger made sense. (especially since he was getting them all with red decks and rails)

[@kylewattssurfing3266]

Oooooohhhhh yeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! Sweeeeee÷eeeeet!!!!!!!!

[@yannickhaddouche7800]

Hello Mr PyzeL, finaly which lenght John John prefers please?

[@jeffs6114]

MUST SEE THE WHITE TIGER in the final at lowers! That would be awesome Make surfing fun again!

[@bruhinthewild]

We getting this in a soft top version? I need one.

[@catinthehat8412]

wish had small waves like that were I live 🤙

[@WjB_96792]

@chris culpen u got a mention at about 8:10ish buddy!

[@christopherwayland8261]

You guys should call this the 'Brazilian Board,' now JJF has a chance against Filipe at Lowers

[@kenkohncke7929]

They look a lot like the Phantom and Gremlin. How do they differ? How do they compare in terms of riding them?

[@ccozzarelli]

Completely different. first, Phantom has the wide point forward and a wider tail. I´m not sure about the bottom contours, but the red tiger is suppose to be pyzel´s HPSB with the flattest rocker yet so there is that, this board is going to replace the shadow for John, so has more performance than the phantom. And the WT I think it is a new and refined version of the Rat Skull but i haven´t read much about that model so i cant compare them.

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

The new boards (RT and WT) may appear similar to Phantom and Gremlin when you only compare outlines, but they are very different in all other regards. Questions like yours are not uncommon, and the exact answer is hard to find- but basically they are simply different and they will feel different when you ride them. It's also not easy for me to explain exactly what they DO feel like, since everyone experiences boards in different ways. All I can truly tell you is that they both very fast, and that most likely you will have a good time riding them.

[@robthomson4720]

How long have these been out for sale? I remember seeing one with the same colors JJ rides in Northland, New Zealand, and thinking that's the same JJ been riding, maybe that prototype board was picked up by a Kiwi in the Pacific?

[@JJF]

I think it was an early prototype I gave to a friend after our sailing trip

[@yannickhaddouche7800]

@@JJF Hello John john, what are your favorites dims for red Tiger please?

[@gokanoago]

I'm getting a Red Tiger! 🐯

[@michaelkrentzin]

Good kitty.

[@nildaservillobarbosa1238]

Sou muito fã. 🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@kcermit1]

What's the difference between the White Tiger and a Gremlin and the Red Tiger and a Phantom ?, Thought those boards were designed for the same reasons? Has JJ even surfed the G or P???? I'd like to hear his response. BTW, here in big messy Norcal - way north of the GG - I love my Ghost in everything from ( Hawaiian ) 2 - 6'. My Grem is pretty magic in 1 - 4' and fun to goof around in 2 - 4' over head lumpy surf... One thing I will say, you really need the right fins to get the most out of them, especially the G.....

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

The new boards (RT and WT) may appear similar to Phantom and Gremlin when you only compare outlines, but they are very different in all other regards. Questions like yours are not uncommon, and the exact answer is hard to find- but basically they are simply different and they will feel different when you ride them. It's also not easy for me to explain exactly what they DO feel like, since everyone experiences boards in different ways. All I can truly tell you is that they both very fast, and that most likely you will have a good time riding them.

[@kcermit1]

@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational Thanks for the response although it was fairly nebulous.....Think I'll go with a Phantom before farting around with a SoCal style board although the WT does look like it'd be a gas in Baja points....

[@jakewetzel3186]

what fins do you like in the gremlin

[@thefirstingredient]

El Salvador 🇸🇻🔥

[@youth.A]

乗ってみたいですね😊 その節は、ありがとうございました😊 行き違いが生じたのは間違いないですので、申し訳ないですね また機会があれば、お会いしたく思います♪ 先に説明しといてくれたら良かったのに、、、😅 正当な、通訳が必要ですよね、 曖昧Miになってますので

[@TheDennisRobb]

Can we get a board called the “No” from Pyzel with that outline of Pyzel as the logo?

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

No!

[@TheDennisRobb]

@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational haha! It was worth a shot ;)

[@christianblake2179]

Okay time to go search the seas of fiji for my next board

[@balisakana6871]

did you think good for bali waves jhon?

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

both boards would be very fun in Indo I think

[@balisakana6871]

@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational when you come tom bali john?i want one

[@danielthompson1040]

I don't have your number but I would love one of those trial boards! 😛

[@afatty322]

Need more John John vlogs!!!!!

[@calnative4904]

The white tiger logo looks like the Clyde Beatty Jr. Ocean Crystal surfboard logo from the 70’s and 80’s

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

Totally! I am long time friends with Clyde and I am sure he would give my new logo his stamp of approval!! He's a legend in my hometown of Santa Barbara

[@calnative4904]

@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational I was friends with Clyde back in the day and had one of his first Rocket Fish boards. He would leave the shop and go to lunch and let me do some graphic designs for customers on the order forms. As a teenager I was totally jazzed. A few years went by and I ended up doing some airbrush work on Ohana boards with Guy Okazaki his former partner. Clyde was a genuine nice guy, my parents bought my first board from him a 6’6” diamond tail. My mom somehow knew his mom or grandmother I don’t remember which.

[@Chris_Genex]

I going to buy one so i can surf like JJ

[@derekjaeger5592]

White Tiger!

[@craig8638]

Weird? In other words, a board for what most of us surf most of the time.

[@swrobel]

Kinda in between the Shadow & Phantom as far as volume-to-length ratio. Wonder if it’s replacing Shadows in John’s quiver.

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

It is not exactly replacing the Shadow, but it is a better low-end wave board than the Shadow.

[@brianfleming1310]

@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational Would the Red Tiger work better in softer waves than the Pyz 2?

[@Patrick-wj2kn]

Volume volume , bottom contours, Rocker ....my key on boards .

[@juufro8952]

What’s your preference on volume? What’s the best metric for different weight?

[@Patrick-wj2kn]

@@juufro8952Yo boss, i'm 52 6' 70.9kg, vol 31.5L waist/chest boardshorts-3/2m; once cold cold up 34-36L but length board i drop 5'7-5'9" past few years been Strick to perf twins all kinds conditions just pushing n enjoying.

[@paultarbotton9461]

That fucking cats back.

[@AEVMU]

Is that a round tail tiger in the beginning?

[@brettgussey6015]

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A 2+1 Twin fin,,,,MR type board PYZEL modified ,,,swallow tail modern fish ,,,YOU can rip on ,YEWW....

[@pineapplefacetree]

There both straight out of the early 90s just with better fins and rails

[@crf5370]

The next version shooby the tiger shark🤙🏽🤙🏽

[@pedrooliveira3153]

Anybody know which song is playing?

[@100mwaterproof]

What length/dims did John finish on for the more refined red dragon?

[@jd32k]

They're hardly going to tell you their formula

[@mnegline1971]

These videos should come with a warning for surfers suffering from B.A.S.

[@francomunoz229]

I Dont understand, the gremlin covers white Tiger needs and the phantom covers red tiger needs. Not the same?? What are the Diference between gremlin and white Tiger? And diference between phantom and red tiger

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

The new boards (RT and WT) may appear similar to Phantom and Gremlin when you only compare outlines, but they are very different in all other regards. Questions like yours are not uncommon, and the exact answer is hard to find- but basically they are simply different and they will feel different when you ride them. It's also not easy for me to explain exactly what they DO feel like, since everyone experiences boards in different ways. All I can truly tell you is that they both very fast, and that most likely you will have a good time riding them.

[@francomunoz229]

@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational thanks

[@MjMayna]

I like to try one of those out at HB > 5'9 x 2.5 White Tiger >> $$$$$ Boom !!

[@audioeins]

you are ripping those waves on that board. is that a sandy bottom no reef beach break? thats all i want. sandy beach break. no reef. no rocks. no scrapes and cuts. no infections, rashes, or stitches. no big time crowds and lineups. just pure sandy fun, followed by subsequent beach time, karate kid daniel style (only with lighter complexion and male pattern balding hairstyle, and no karate :) followed by more fun beach break waves :) regarding the red tiger: it looks cool. i wonder how fun a 6'6" would be :)

[@avs9800]

I want a white tiger

[@hokuinsai4299]

Foam is your friend.

[@coreyrice8607]

Bout time you switched it up. Take advantage of small wave boards especially in shit comps

[@TheSurfingSushiChef]

V1 how much?!

[@saltybarber149]

Front footed surfers or backfoot, always struggle with knowing.

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

I don't believe that you make boards differently for those factors. You just ride a board how you ride a board

[@1414Gstevens]

Can you imagine calling Pyzel to make you a customer quiver just for one surf trip? Only John.

[@LilleyAdam]

Probably several surfers they sponsor

[@antpoop2404]

shot out to Chris Culpen

[@marioferminio1]

Design design design design....I want to see material change, when are we going to see ecofriendly surfboards???

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

I agree! It's been hard to shift that way since people are so happy with how boards feel how we make them now, and also the fact is that we can make less damaging boards, but they will cost much more. I see more and more people willing to pay extra for organic food, so hopefully that consciousness will pass on to other planet-friendly things as well before too long. Ask yourself this- would you be willing to pay say $1500 for a surfboard if it was built in a more environmentally clean way?

[@marioferminio1]

@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational today you have recycled EPS, flax fiber and vegetable resin, I believe that such a board would not cost 1500 , and please do not delete my answer.

[@ikaikaboo]

the cut back at 5:33....

[@leannecuster1490]

Great for St.Augustine Fl gremlin needs a buddy or 2

[@brettgussey6015]

The twin fin ,,,version the bob cat .the mini mall version the king lion 🦁

[@matty9094]

The foiling on that board looks waaaacky. I get you want a lot of foam forward but looks unbalanced

[@Ryan-tb7pp]

Functionality >

[@tamtheoneandthebest]

The board has more foam back then forward…

[@matty9094]

Literally from Pyzel’s description of the WT: “The wide point is 1.5in forward of center…The thickness is also concentrated forward, with a beak-nose design that helps keep the volume up under the chest area for better paddle power.“

[@tamtheoneandthebest]

@@matty9094 Literally Pyzel's description of the RT: "The thickness flow (foil) from nose to tail is balanced and clean, with the front of the board just barely thinner than the back half."

[@matty9094]

Sounds like we’re talking about two different boards all good

[@rtnote9394]

I don’t see the difference they’re both red

[@thomasvinsen1410]

Oh just shut up and take my money 💴 💴💴

[@PyzelSurfboardsInternational]

can we have your credit card number please 🤣