JJJ says Wraith is worse than Spider-Men - Spider-Man 2

[@zephon6745]

Jonah: They should have joined the police department. Talk about irony.

[@andytu1026]

Cause Yuri used to be a police captain. 😂

[@brycencurley]

@@andytu1026 nothing gets past you huh

[@wondr.ful.]

How true, and how well said.

[@mgriffin51304]

I didn't even realize that before 😂😂😂

[@100_funsshatta]

In the end even with a badge you still can't play judge or God. Which was what Pete was trying to convince her

[@tempest8746]

Man I wish Yuri joined the police force if she did her fellow officers wouldn't have died and all.....oh wait a minute

[@MaxAzrul]

I think the irony is the point

[@Delalow862]

I mean her fellow officers are heros. They put their lives on the line knowing they could be taken. Yeah it sucks they died but her killing criminals is a dishonor to their memory and they would not have wanted to fuel such a murder spree.

[@skell6134]

​@@Delalow862Thats not about their wishes anymore They are dead And she wants vengeance

[@adrikb1545]

​@@skell6134not vegeance, she don't want that to happen again, there is some truth you can give to her, and that is that a killer can't kill from the tomb

[@Murdstone12]

​@adrikb1545 you got to admit part of it is for vengeance before it evolved to anti hero justice

[@BaconNuke]

You know Wraith got JJ so riled up that he laments that at least Spidey isn't killing people.. like how much do you gotta push JJ that he acknowledges Spidey isn't the worst thing ever lol

[@Mecceldorf]

Good characterization, JJ is a decent reporter, headstrong and aggressive yes, but he just has a serious issue with masked vigilantes and can't trust Spiderman. The moment another Spiderman type character arrives who is _actually_ a menace, he's gonna have all hands on deck for it. *THIS IS WHAT THEY WARNED US ABOUT!!!*

[@emaciatedFlower]

You can argue that the presence of Spiderman spawns his villains, though, so Jameson is in the right to worry about the city and its citizens about Spiderman being a threat

[@Mecceldorf]

@@emaciatedFlower I feel like Oscorp is the rebuttal to that idea. We see a lot more of the cast's own follies in SM2, but in 1 just about every member of the Sinister 6 were united in their vengeance against Norman Osborne. The fact is that any villain in the making will find an excuse to enable their behavior, whether it's the guy doing the most for the city or the least, someone will benefit and someone will hurt.

[@drstrangelove307]

@@Mecceldorfto be fair, Jonah isn’t exactly a fan of Oscorp either, as seen with his criticisms of Oscorp bringing in Sable.

[@delanovanraalte3646]

@@Mecceldorfhonestly they get the ideas for supernatural suits and powers of spiderman and if thats not the case those heroes taking out smaller criminals make them opt for stronger arms which will outgun the cops and make criminality increase and become more dangerous

[@rojaedavis8367]

​​@@emaciatedFlowerI mean, Peter doesn't even have a hand in most of his villains creations. They were already bad people when they got their powers. All Peter did was stop super bad people because he was the only one who can. And honestly, JJ has no right to talk considering he had a hand in giving a sociopath like Scorpion superpowers designed for the purpose of KILLING Spiderman, adding one more supervillain in the mix. But I sure don't see Jonah accepting any responsibility for that one.

[@logeyperogi1805]

Can’t believe JJJ really somewhat complimented the Spider-Men Wasn’t much of a compliment, he still gave them an “AT LEAST” which is close enough

[@Erricane]

"They'd joined the police department." If only you know, Jonah. I wish Peter or Miles would react to the podcasts.

[@samuelsoliday4381]

Like number 70. Balance restored!

[@JasonLyman-ny4hm]

I was really taken aback when Peter just kind of brushes off that Yuri is literally a WANTED KILLER and just lets her keep doing whatever the hell she wants. Isn’t his whole thing about great power and responsibility?

[@kwamemwangs2173]

Man he has other things to do he can't be asked 😂😂

[@purevessel4506]

She did just save his life. Besides yeah she kills people but only the worst of the worst. People that arguably deserve to. It’s not like she’s killing innocents

[@DBZFANX1000]

@@purevessel4506 I mean wasn't she already trying to kill before she seaved his life. Also i don't think killing the innocent is the point. the point is that you shouldn't play the executioner and decide human life. Also a lot of villians in spider man 2 ended up reforming like tombstone so if you kill them you are actively taking away their chance to reform

[@RavenLibertysDildo]

@@DBZFANX1000ye in the first game she killed a maggia inforcer in the final dlc

[@themoosehoof]

He frequently just lets black cat get away with shit too he’s pretty lenient with his pals

[@Kenny-hd4ef]

Jonah thanks Spider-man for not killing,but in another podcast after Kraven kills Scorpion he he congratulates him for getting the job done What the hell jonah

[@parknplay8328]

I think the difference is that scorpion was a repeat offender with very little chance of redemption and Wraith is killing just normal street level criminals

[@imaislen]

does jjj have his history with scorpion in insomniacs version?

[@parknplay8328]

@@imaislen Yeah Scorpion even tries to sue him in one of the podcasts in the first game I think

[@tylerwilson3507]

​@@parknplay8328that and JJ even confirmed that he help pay for Scorpion to become Scorpion in hopes he'll be the "Anti Spider-man".

[@BitrateBilly]

jonah is running a podcast, the objective isnt consistency, its to garner attention.

[@szpecter558]

"We have systems in place for this, people!" Well, maybe if the people in charge of the justice system weren't all either too inefficient or too corrupt to dish out justice properly, we wouldn't even need people like Wraith.

[@Deadpool784]

Bro, this is a video game

[@NumberOnePochitaFan]

​@@Deadpool784 you are bottom of the barrel filth

[@felipeneves7260]

And that, my friends, is exactly why the fetishization of vigilante justice is a problem, because of stupid people who think the complexity of real world problems is somehow equivalent to fucking comic books

[@RiderWithTheScarf]

But the whole point of game Wraith is that Yuri was hypnotized, had a super-spy gang destroy her team, torture her men and all because they had superweapons and a maniac who could deflect bulelts along with a psychiatrist paid by international mobsters to screw the entire department; for a PD that was shown to do work(in-game, in-story, with Jefferson, with Yuri etc.) blaming the system on the fact that this was so out of their capabilities, is harsh(in-game talking). Jameson's statement has a tragic irony in it, rather than him being oblivious to why people would be like Wraith, given the context of the game's world; Yuri became Wraith because the police can't face the threat of super-powered maniacs with infinite budget and the tools to mercilessly kill every time the 6 stooges decide it's time have a slap fight with the spandex version of Kumo Otoko. Or as someone above said, "Bro, this is a video game".

[@ricardomarquez4351]

Yep and that's one of the reasons Wraith is justified in why the system is a failure.

[@Ash-Winchester]

"We have systems in place for that." JJ Those systems ARE the problem.

[@samuelsoliday4381]

And becoming a vigilante isn't helping. All it does is give people a false sense of security by patching up the problem without actually fixing it.

[@Ash-Winchester]

@@samuelsoliday4381 Exactly. If vigilantes actually spent their time addressing the economic circumstances that lead people to commit crimes instead of maintaining a capitalist status quo that permits these problems to exist, they'd be able to do a lot more good for the people said systems keep down. Unfortunately comic book companies are crammed pack full of liberal writers who point the blame at "bad individuals" rather than the unsustainability of hierarchal institutions of authority that concentrate power towards those at the top of said institutions and the capitalistic class divide said systems tend to create. That's how we end up with the infamous "You gotta do better, senator" from Falcon and the winter soldier as well as the villainization of revolutionaries and leftists like in Mortal Kombat 1 or The Legend of Korra. I know those last two weren't comics, but they fit the trope.

[@samuelsoliday4381]

@@Ash-Winchester That reminds me of a quote from an anime villain. Feel free to skip if you're not interested. The TL;DR of it is that heroes give off this fake aura that convinces the general public that they can handle everything that goes wrong. And as a result they don't feel the need to do something when it happens right in front of them. The end result is people like him who wind up resorting to villainy in a world that rejects them. And that the heroes' inability to understand that is the reason this problem even exists. "You pretend to embody all that is good. Your kind is always the same. Every generation. You pretend you don't see those you can't protect, and cover up the pain you caused. Always thinking of yourselves as righteous. This world has grown so rotten it's infested with maggots. It happened little by little. But your mistakes added up. The coddled trash got used to being protected, while you took advantage of these so-called victims for your own profit. Everything that I've ever known. Everything in this world you built rejected me. But not now, I'm the one who's rejecting you. That is why I destroy. That is why I keep gaining power. It's simple isn't it. And yet, you just don't understand. The fact that you don't get it is why we have heroes and villains."

[@Dres2000]

1:23 The way he dismissed the speech is hilarious

[@robloxcool88]

This was a good reminder that JJJ doesn't hate Spider-Man for being a hero, he hates him for being specifically a *masked vigilante.* There's a reason why you never hear him shit-talking the Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D, actual government entities: 1, they don't typically hide their identities, and 2, they are actually operating within the law instead of outside it. Fair perspectives, if not necessarily ones I agree with.

[@blackdemonknight]

And we are shown here that there is a possible reason Peter listens to his podcasts, because on the day Jonah hired Peter he helped teach him to be more assertive so even if Peter has his disagreements with him, Peter does respect JJJ for sticking with his beliefs regardless of what others think.

[@didyouactuallyexpectaname7438]

I love how the JJJ and Omni-Man character models look so similar facial wise

[@metalcrusader6666]

You do realize the guy playing Omni Man is the live action Jonah Jameson? aka J.K. Simmons...

[@didyouactuallyexpectaname7438]

@@metalcrusader6666 No shit? That’s why I’m saying it’s funny that Omni Man looks so identical when wearing a suit

[@zyxelztrife2408]

0:39 *Whuh-whuh-WHAAA?!?* 0:47 That’s… almost the closest to the nicest thing JJJ has ever said about heroes.

[@eduardomagana3858]

Does nobody think he’s a little…hypocritical?

[@MergedBeastAgito]

“THINK, SPIDERMAN THINK!” “WHO WILL HATE ON YOU FOR THE NEXT 500 YEARS?!” “y-you JJ, you w-will hate on m-me”

[@joaoqgrossi]

The more I listen to JJJ the more I agree with him.

[@mrlgreenthunder7138]

Yeah, some of his rants make a lot of sense. My favourite is his rant about the Rhino nearly escaping his cell on the raft.

[@ricardomarquez4351]

But does he take responsibility for his actions he didn't when he lied about creating Scorpion.

[@theangrypotato2.031]

@@ricardomarquez4351 To be fair scorpion is NOT Jameson's fault. He donated to an organization, and that organization decided the best candidate for their "lets give a guy superpowers" initiative was a crazed psychopath addicted to drugging people, which isn't Jameson's fault, its that organizations.

[@ricardomarquez4351]

@@theangrypotato2.031 Even so he funded them and gladly did it for his own self righteous narrow minded version of justice. He did it willingly despite knowing there would be some major consequences.

[@lunosol8914]

​@@ricardomarquez4351nope the consequences werent their until way after jjj already funded it So he isnt at fault Its the people who chose scorpion to be the one getting the powers

[@ishaqyousuf1332]

In a world filled with Super powered human and masked vigilantes, JJ only seems to have eye for Spiderman.

[@JdV2009]

You know Yuri went far when even JONAH said that he likes that the Spider-Bros don't kill.

[@eligostheexalted]

Triple-J gets a lot of hate from us fans because of how ostentatious and brash he is is, but he really does make a lot of good points about vigilantism and its implications.

[@robertbusselmaier]

Oh the delicious verbal AND dramatic irony.

[@Theemptythroneistaken]

I have always wondered what his opinions would be of the punisher 🤣🤣🤣🤣😅😅

[@PlaystationGamerZX]

Oh JJ 🤣 If only he knew She use to be a captain of police 🤣

[@BobThePenguin.]

Youd think Jameson would shut up about others taking justice into their own hands after he made scorpion...

[@StreetSeeker]

I don't trust nothing he says in this game, I heard bro said hes not judging The Flame

[@Xehanort10]

Guy called a cult a peaceful community.

[@fraughtmonster8]

In the comics Jonah would actually take the opposite approach here lol

[@gameguy20100]

I wonder how JJ would feel about the Punisher. I mean, he was a marine which he's always saying are "The real heroes" But he's also a domestic terrorist. Like, legally that's what he is classified as.

[@HighSentinel]

He would probably criticize him and tell everyone that he crossed the line and should be stopped as well as say something similar about how Spider-Man at least doesn’t kill people and hold a back

[@gameguy20100]

@@HighSentinel IDK Frank is very clear about who he is and JJ's hate for Spiderman most stems from the fact he has a secret identity.

[@HighSentinel]

@@gameguy20100 true he hate’s Spider-Man for being anonymous but he would hate frank even more for being a ruthless killer

[@gameguy20100]

@@HighSentinel Yeah. But Frank was military. Considering JJ is meant to be a parody of right-wing talk show hosts... Criticism of them is considered a huge taboo. Granted JJ has never been shy about being controversial.

[@litiangparra6799]

Oh boy, if frank castle exists in this universe, boy will JJ have a field day with him

[@jlmank33]

Wow that’s saying a lot lol for JJJ

[@RKDupont]

1:09 Well actually… ☝🏾

[@danielgeronimo5538]

If this is how he reacts to Wraith, how would he react to Frank Castle?

[@a-bomb3769]

Wonder how Danika thinks about Wraith

[@johnathancaraballo2496]

Can't believe it, I watched the playthrough of this game and heard it, but I have to agree with him on Wraith's extermination methods

[@SomeRandomVergilFanboy]

I wonder how Jonah would react to Batman considering Batman is also a masked vigilante who like Spider-Man is responsible for the creation of a lot of his villains but Batmans approach is much more effective in general and he's much more serious about it unlike Spider-Man who is always running around in braud daylight dressed in bright colours and making jokes all of those things being perfectly reasonable reasons to think that Spider-Man is just doing it for clout

[@manat31790]

Batman has unlimited resources, has friends within the police department, and does everything Spider-Man does with fewer smiles and quips. Jonah would not treat Batman any differently from Spider-Man. And it's not just about having a vigilante swinging around a city. Jonah doesn't have a good opinion of any traditional superhero, period. Even if you put in Green Lantern or Superman there, he would hate them all. This is because Jonah's underlying problem isn't actually his idea of social order: it's his inferior complex and jealousy against anybody who can do more than him. Jonah is an anti-Perry White by design. Whereas Perry is a strict editor-in-chief who believes in the truth and justice for humanity's greater good, Jonah is just a sloppy, selfish, or misguided a-hole who's using the press to mask his insecurity and try to make himself look credible despite that he doesn't grasp the full picture of anything.

[@dalo267]

@@manat31790 Wrong, JJJ hates masked people because a "Masked" Person killed his wife, so he sees all Masked people as his Wife's Killer

[@HighSentinel]

@@manat31790 actually Jamison doesn’t hate superheroes he just hates mask heroes like spidey and daredevil, even Batman, because he believes masked heroes are hiding something malicious which also plays into how a masked man killed his wife, which became the core for his hatred of masked heroes and especially vigilantes as well a punisher ( I don’t need to explain why JJ hates him), he wouldn’t hate Superman because he doesn’t wear a mask, and he praises captain America because everyone know who he is as said earlier heroes who keep their identities a secret by wearing a mask is a red flag to Jamison

[@jinsungyuu8365]

0:47-0:58 this is something he should say to Batman and why he doesn’t go far enough

[@M8OfTheNorth]

Oh the irony……

[@juliancortina6638]

I gotta be honest I think this just proves that JJJ is a hater for vigilantes cause notice how the same thing happend when harry became agent venom

[@Randomthimgs]

Toby's Spiderman does a lazy raiz. Miles does a b twist. 2 different moves

[@archivist_13]

Doesn't he later completely change his tune and say Wraith is cooler actually?

[@Xehanort10]

Yeah he goes from saying "At least the Spider-Men don't kill" to calling them ineffectual for not killing.

[@archivist_13]

@@Xehanort10 well, at least it's accurate for him to completely change his tune

[@thesailormercury2]

I just imagine that Omni Man say that.?

[@GiveSic]

Jonah: Wraith is worse than Spider-Man! "Hey, Jonah has a point" Jonah: They should join the police force! "Well.. half a point"

[@NicknameJytown]

This version of Jonah is funny😂

[@Noname-gm5om]

JJ is a real one for this they may be out there doing hero shit but they really shouldn’t the least they could do is not slaughter goons everywhere they go JJ is right to be wary of wraith

[@SavantPete]

Yuri's only crime was that yee yee haircut

[@derrickdaniels3955]

Yeah I wasn't a fan of the hair either

[@psychronia]

Didn't JJ criticize Spider-Man for not going far enough?

[@Vinesus]

I don’t think so. The primary criticism he has of Spider-Man is that due to his anonymity, he isn’t beholden to consequences from higher authorities if he does wrong

[@CliffTooth]

Bryan Cranston???

[@ferro_drip189]

2 subs with 3.8k views, people really are heartless, interesting clip btw

[@minddkidzag9920]

Heh that's alright. Only reason I'm uploading all of these is that my PS5 is running out of storage, clips gotta go 😁

[@bradyblue5269]

​@minddkidzag9920 upload them all, build a career over clips, become number one on youtube,

[@ferro_drip189]

@@minddkidzag9920 same here

[@dragonblast417]

"Judge, Jury, Executioner." Was that a Judge Dredd easter egg? Still cool even if it isn't

[@Vinesus]

Nah, that phrase existed well before Dredd

[@poomanjones4853]

Common phrase

[@TheRealBlazingDiamond]

You know, it's pretty obvious that Jonah is the conservative punching bag that you're supposed to disagree with and think is wrong, but when you think about it, he's right to be concerned! I can't really think of one thing here that's wrong, besides his excessive mistrust for the Spider-Men, and even then, if we didnt know any better, we probably would also be concerned! I mean, just look at Mr. Beast, he's doing a bunch of good things, but people disregard that philanthropy and think that he's got some god complex or something.

[@lessermook7608]

Yuri a dummy. Jonah see right through it

[@taiall]

I'm gonna have to disagree with Jonah. While the world needs boy scouts like Peter, it also needs people like Yuri who are willing to put the animals down. Not to mention the fact that Peter saved Carnage. Fucking Carnage!

[@gamingawesomeness222]

The thing that’s so frustratingly endearing about JJJ, for a man with a “distinguished” journalism career, he is absolutely clueless as to what’s really going on. He’s so clueless he thinks his lack of a clue is a conspiracy he’s stumbled upon. He REALLY thought , for example, the NYPD could handle kraven’s hunters

[@belindaluna2067]

Her starting a fight with Pete over what to do with the Flame is what allowed him to get away. To say nothing of the cultists trying to get out who could give the police and/or vigilantes information about the cult and the Flame if you leave them alive.

[@jonathonlilbourne9264]

I’m calling you out JJ you are spider man! Think about it people but I’ll be honest his picture guy is a little sus

[@poomanjones4853]

Wraith is such a lame character

[@alejandromejia1097]

Am I the only one that thinks Yuri/Wraith is a hypocrite?

[@rensb9214]

Wraith is lame AF

[@toneeyyhh]

She kinda bad though

[@aetriandimitri190]

​@@toneeyyhhis that frost?

[@wondr.ful.]

@@aetriandimitri190 Our gal KF?

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Her outfit turned out to be more silly than expected.

[@SpideyfanX]

Not as lame as MJ